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All material released by Broadcast and alumni projects is eligible. Including remix work and releases by the likes of Roj, Seeland, Hintermass and Children of Alice.
Camaradarie At Arm's Length and I will be your hosts.
Ballots addressing the following matters are invited.
(1) FAVOURITE TRACKS - up to 40, ranked or unranked.
(2) FAVOURITE LPs and EPs - up to 10 commercially released titles, ranked. Several releases blur the line between LP and EP, and a significant portion of Broadcast's output came on short releases, so let's open it up to any of those releases four or more tracks in length.
In both ballot categories, we propose user-defined weightings, inspired by clemenza's recent example. Each ballot entry earns you 20 points, to be allocated however you see fit, up to a maximum of 40 points for first place.
If, for example, your tracks ballot is 40 entries long you get 800 points to play with. In section (2) you have a maximum of 200 points. If you're not fussed about precise weightings, we'll apply default values as provisionally outlined here: https://pastebin.com/raw/Q1RWHkpV
Submit ballots to vaticanroulette AT gmail DOT com
Provisional deadline: 11:59pm, Friday, 20th May 2022. (In that very last timezone beyond Alaska.)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 24 April 2022 12:34 (three years ago)
Here's a list of tracks, with audio links for some of the less readily available instances. Definitely point out errors and omissions:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQaJIbXurbBtDLiAilDfa0GC374s4VJr9SbIez4ZBwAEQAujNovU4ncHCyLTpiRw-cvh1GKZzW4Q3rH/pubhtml
The playlist I posted in the other thread laid out many of the more obvious contenders:
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4HSZmkHJvR6JHrDiki9M6E
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ELm4Y-S4XQscKrxcUJdtt18tKUKyNjMR0apLpypNMoI/edit?usp=sharing
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 24 April 2022 12:38 (three years ago)
Er, the final link is redundant. Not sure how that snuck in!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 24 April 2022 12:40 (three years ago)
Excited for this and spending the next few weeks revising to get my list ready.
― kitchen person, Sunday, 24 April 2022 13:32 (three years ago)
same
― assert (MatthewK), Sunday, 24 April 2022 13:51 (three years ago)
same!
― piscesx, Sunday, 24 April 2022 14:08 (three years ago)
I'd never really seen a filmed interview before recent weeks. Could Sean Hughes have made this any more awkward?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTdPbY17hcc
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 24 April 2022 22:34 (three years ago)
I mean, I can already see myself getting annoyed when 'Phantom' and 'Ritual / Looking In' don't make it.― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, August 22, 2019
They're both firmly on my shortlist. Let's expand the rollout out to #127, or whatever, if that's what it takes!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 24 April 2022 23:11 (three years ago)
Looking forward to this -- it'll help me learn the names of my favorite Broadcast songs!
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Monday, 25 April 2022 02:51 (three years ago)
That's one thing I hadn't entirely resolved. I guess it would cleaner if we voted for Extended Play 2 or Microtronics 01 (etc) as separate entities, ignoring the comps, but I'm happy to be persuaded otherwise. What do people prefer?
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 25 April 2022 03:28 (three years ago)
One bonus calculation we did at the end of one poll was ranking every release by the sum of their constituent track scores. Part of me is inclined to leave compilations unranked until something like that.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 25 April 2022 03:45 (three years ago)
Hello!I consider Work & Non Work to be a canon album, it was presented as their debut at the time, so would suggest that the compilations are in there with the other LPs/EPs. But there maybe should be a rule about whether we combine Microtronics or not.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 April 2022 06:02 (three years ago)
Ha! Nice alias.That sounds reasonable. The two Microtronics are so plainly linked thematically that that feels like perhaps the least contentious case to me! I also get how Work & Non-Work served as a cohesive Broadcast-in-'96 statenent. Future Crayon seems messier. The likes of EP1, EP2, and Pendulum are 20-ish minutes long and the latter came several years later. Before that compilation arrived one wouldn't necessary group all that stuff together. On the other hand, arguing for the exclusion of one compilation out of three seems kinda bonkers!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 25 April 2022 07:24 (three years ago)
I think people will have to decide for themselves which to go for with Future Crayon, if they can say whether they prefer to vote as LP or EPs on here then we can probably come to some sort of consensus. (I am not fussed either way)
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 April 2022 07:51 (three years ago)
I'd be reluctant to omit Future Crayon which is such a massive gorgeous slab - the constituent EPs are pretty much all perfectly-formed items but but suspect they'll get a bit lost in the voting next to the 'main' albums.
WANW includes the four tracks from the Book Lovers EP - this EP was where I got on the Broadcast bus but it wouldn't occur to me to rank it separately from WANW now.
― technopolis, Monday, 25 April 2022 08:21 (three years ago)
future crayon had non-single trcks on it, whereas WNW didn't
"Hammer Without A Master" originally released on Wap100 We Are Reasonable People (1998) WAP100CD
"DDL" originally released on All Tomorrow's Parties 01 (2001) ATPR CD1
(not that anybody had the very early singles from WNW)
― koogs, Monday, 25 April 2022 09:09 (three years ago)
I only really know W&NW & TFC and not the individual component releases. For anyone like me, it would feel a little perverse to decompose them and then work out where I'd rank the EPs.
― woof, Monday, 25 April 2022 09:27 (three years ago)
I think a consensus is emerging. :)
XP: Wasn't the recording of "Lights Out" on W&NW a bit like those tracks though? From an NME comp rather than a single? (I've never been 100% sure whether that was the same version tbh.)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 25 April 2022 09:33 (three years ago)
https://www.allmusic.com/album/work-and-non-work-mw0000028624
says it was all previous singles. "but since most of it appeared elsewhere within the previous six months and not a single second of previously unavailable material is included, it's not worth much to fans of any duration."
― koogs, Monday, 25 April 2022 09:43 (three years ago)
(ignoring the point that the first two singles were largely overlooked and were not available on CD)
― koogs, Monday, 25 April 2022 09:48 (three years ago)
not that anybody had the very early singles from WNW
Well it's funny you say that, as I was going to start a gradual two-week daily run-through of favourites with this fairly dull anecdote.
In early 1996 I was in the habit of buying a few 7" singles every week from Magpie Records in Worcester, sometimes from bands I'd heard on the radio, sometimes I just liked the cover, as I did with this one:
https://i.imgur.com/hCEoEwX.jpg
I liked 'Living Room' fine, but 'Phantom' just changed everything. Never heard anything like it before or since, that clockwork rhythm, it sounded like the 'fairground' demo tracks on my uncle's Hammond(?) organ, but with the Theremin(?) making it sound like it was possessed by mournful spirits. The portal for me not just to Broadcast but to avant-garde music.
Here it is - Phantom
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 April 2022 09:49 (three years ago)
"Lights Out" was on the NME's C96 CD, I had to send away a cheque to get it, lots of odd stuff on there.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 April 2022 09:51 (three years ago)
yeah, i see that now. that page i linked to and discogs just ignore track 9 not being on the singles completely.
first two singles were on Duophonic and Wurlitzer Jukebox so i'm not quite sure why i overlooked them, but i did. first i heard was booklovers and by then the first two singles were already on the rarities wall at Sister Ray for 10x what they originally cost.
― koogs, Monday, 25 April 2022 10:15 (three years ago)
I remember a live session on Mark & Lard just before the release of The Booklovers, but doesn't seem to appear on the Maida Vale CD, I think I probably taped it, will have a look for it.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 April 2022 10:28 (three years ago)
There was an instantly-memorable live version of Come On Let's Go which was broadcast on Radio 1 at some point between late-96 and spring 2000 - poss as part of a set they did for R1 Sound City in early 98?
I remembered COLG from the 97 Evening Session, primarily because it seemed to be the most Book Lovers-esque of their new tracks (i.e. the only one not in 3/4 time) and this new live version felt much springier and (incrementally) faster than the prev version. When it finally got a release on TNMBP in 2000 I was kind of surprised that it wasn't more uptempo in final studio form.
But now it is 20+ years later and I wonder to what extent I've invented this memory. I may have been craving a more buoyant COLG for almost 25 years, bloody hell.
― technopolis, Monday, 25 April 2022 10:50 (three years ago)
Further investigation indicates that it was Oct 97 rather early 98 - as evidenced by the NME cassette that had 'Misc' on it. 90 seconds of new Broadcast material was basically all we were getting between 97 and 99.
― technopolis, Monday, 25 April 2022 11:31 (three years ago)
Why isn't "Misc" on Future Crayon anyway? Or the second section of "Where Youth & Laughter Go"?
I initially thought I'd misread the Maida Vale Sessions sleevenotes. "Look Outside" and "COLG" had been revealed pretty much fully-formed a full three years before I heard them on TNMBP? I should have had better UK intel in the '90s!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 25 April 2022 12:22 (three years ago)
I saw them play at the Phoenix Festival in July 1997, quite likely they played some of the tracks from TNMBP but no set list online and can't remember any of the set.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 April 2022 12:30 (three years ago)
I think Misc isn't on The Future Crayon because it isn't very good, ymmv etc.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 April 2022 12:31 (three years ago)
Haha. It's a great soundtrack to this footage, at the very least.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 25 April 2022 13:03 (three years ago)
"make my sleep his song" is something wonderful
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 05:51 (three years ago)
Nag! Nag! Nag! at 2:03 25 Apr 22Haha. It's a great soundtrack to this footage, at the very least.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 08:18 (three years ago)
There's another channel similar to that one which was attempting to upload a video for every Broadcast track although the last time I looked all the uploads had been blocked by overly aggressive copyright claimers (the same purge that took all Stereolab's videos down for ages). Must've been reinstated at some point though as they're back now.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3D767DF83686F484
― "Spaghetti" Thompson (Pheeel), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 08:52 (three years ago)
Love how even some of the most amorphous Witch Cults segments made it into that batch. :)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 10:45 (three years ago)
Forgot to post something today, so here's an early track from the Maida Vale sessions CD, just an astonishing bit of music to throw away, maybe they thought it was a bit too 'Mysterions' but I think it's much better than that - Forget Every Time
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 26 April 2022 21:30 (three years ago)
Yes! Seeing as the BBC stuff (plus most of the remixes you pointed out) was my big weird blind spot, I've only been acquainted with it for maybe 6 weeks. But it almost instantly went onto my shortlist.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 26 April 2022 23:01 (three years ago)
I hope the post-Witch Cults Ghost Box single won't go overlooked. Not least Inside Out. The Focus Group helps ensure it's agreeably incoherent lol. A fine smeary, quasi-motorik mess imho.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 00:13 (three years ago)
*bump*
Randomly selected track: Minim
(Well, I used Spotify to select it -- probably not truly random.)
Also, just in case it wasn't clear: there doesn't seem much appetite for excluding compilations from the albums ballot, so go for it!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 28 April 2022 00:31 (three years ago)
gonna get a ballot together for this, but need to do some listening
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Thursday, 28 April 2022 02:19 (three years ago)
Will Unchanging Window/Chord Simple votes get folded in with Unchanging Window votes?
― woof, Thursday, 28 April 2022 11:26 (three years ago)
I was just thinking about this! I'd say that's probably the most sensible way to go. Might even go so far as putting "Chord Simple" votes in the same basket, should there being any?!?
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 28 April 2022 12:51 (three years ago)
Makes sense but I wouldn't throw in Chord Simple - I think its voters will be voting for it deliberately separately.
― woof, Thursday, 28 April 2022 14:18 (three years ago)
Probably true. All three variants are certainly retaining distinct identities in my records, for counting purposes. I finalised my own ballot earlier and gave points to one of them! It's more a question of presentation at rollout time, I think.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 28 April 2022 14:53 (three years ago)
Though that leaves the option open for voting for all three, I guess. Perhaps unlikely, but wouldn't necessarily want to preclude votes for "UW" and "CS" on the same ballot, at least. Any thoughts on this CaAL?
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 28 April 2022 22:33 (three years ago)
Anyway, I certainly think people should vote for the combined version just because it's purty. I'm pretty sure it didn't even register that "Chord Simple" had been an elaboration on a section of "UW" until they merged them, and then 22-years-ago me was like Ross here for a while:
The version of "Unchanging Window (Chord Simple)" from EP2 is probably my favourite Broadcast track ever.― Ross, Tuesday, December 6, 2016
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 28 April 2022 23:08 (three years ago)
Just thinking about how each track on The Book Lovers EP had another unrelated track as a coda, a bit like a precursor to Microtronics, think my favourite is the one at the end of Message From Home.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 30 April 2022 21:46 (three years ago)
artisan and blackwing. i edited them out into separate tracks on my copy, but not sure where i got the names.
― koogs, Saturday, 30 April 2022 23:38 (three years ago)
they are mentioned in discogs and take their names from the recording studios they were recorded in
― koogs, Saturday, 30 April 2022 23:44 (three years ago)
Vaguely related: I dig this take on one of their other bonus instrumental interludes, and their instrumental side more broadly.
https://thevinylfactory.com/features/beat-bandit-10-slept-on-psych-breaks-that-will-bend-your-mind/
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 1 May 2022 00:01 (three years ago)
I was only aware of a couple of these!
https://www.whosampled.com/Broadcast/sampled/
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 1 May 2022 00:18 (three years ago)
Incidentally, please don't count on any significant extension beyond the given deadline. We'll aiming for the week after that for the rollout. There's still a pretty generous ~3 weeks left, so let's pretend that we 'built in' the near-obligatory extension at the outset. :)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 1 May 2022 01:15 (three years ago)
"WE'RE aiming" rather.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 1 May 2022 01:16 (three years ago)
A curio today, here is a remix of a Badly Drawn Boy track, think I honestly prefer it to every BDB original - Another Pearl (Broadcast Remix)
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 2 May 2022 11:44 (three years ago)
starting to dive back into the catalog and it's making me want to re-watch lodge 49
amazing use of broadcast in several episodes, in particular "the book lovers" in one flashback scene
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Monday, 2 May 2022 15:49 (three years ago)
Fun Fact: very earliest ballots have cited 62 distinct tracks and 11 albums thus far. #ExtremelyPrematureFunFacts
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 00:16 (three years ago)
I have a playlist of 40 songs ready to go. Feeling good about my choices, but still need to work on ordering them. I'll go through the playlist in the next few days to sort that out.
― kitchen person, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 03:54 (three years ago)
I was thinking again about "What You Want" aka "Dulcimer Jam" in the middle of the night. It's immensely unfortunate that we have no studio version of that, as I think would be quite popular in such an alternate universe. Freaked me out, it did, what with Keenan banging her twangy instrument and chanting "don't bleed (plead?) for the things you don't need", etc.
Given that it was seemingly the closer or penultimate track for over a year in their duo performances, it was surely becoming one of the most performed songs of their entire career. The crispest available recording might be the very last performance as the festival was, er, broadcast on the wireless. Anyway, it's on my ballot even though we have no definitive recording.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 23:41 (three years ago)
Whoops, that Youtube time index might the end of the song. It begins about 28:40, if that's the case.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 23:46 (three years ago)
Listening through today, Ominous Cloud is the one I had to bump up my list. I could listen to that outro forever.
― kitchen person, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 00:52 (three years ago)
It's also way higher on my ballot than I might have expected before this exercise! A *lot* of Haha Sound is, for that matter. I fear I underrate that whole LP when it's not playing.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 01:10 (three years ago)
Yeah, a few Haha Sound tracks have risen up my list too. It's always been my least favourite of the three main studio albums, but it really is an astonishing album.
― kitchen person, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 01:14 (three years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOobFF1mXLU
ellenmeilee7 years agoA little backstory for fans of this song... Trish, who I was friends with for many years, used to come to my house during the day when I was out at work to write songs. My cat, Corky, is very shy, and at first he would just poke his head round the door of the room where she was sitting, and then run away. As the day went on, curiosity would overcome him and he would finally try and make friends with her. Hence, the lyrics of the chorus. We filmed some of the vid at my house and I appear in the vid for about 2 seconds. What a thrill and an honour for me and Corky xxx
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 4 May 2022 05:03 (three years ago)
: )2005. Can we call them 'seminal figures' in the history of the cat video?!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 07:47 (three years ago)
Gee, the sound quality of this recording of a short LA set circa EP1 is ridiculously high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekzAM56YVBw
Interesting how often an orphaned version of the bloopy post-"Where Youth & Laughter Go" interlude featured in sets around this time. Makes its omission from The Future Crayon all that more perplexing.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 09:17 (three years ago)
Started my dive back into their discography this morning with Work and Non-Work. So far, every single song from that album is in contention.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 4 May 2022 16:12 (three years ago)
My feelings too, then every LP I was waiting for the drop in quality and it never came.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 4 May 2022 21:23 (three years ago)
I love Broadcast so much and the idea of even just ranking their albums, let alone tracks, fills me with anxiety
― rob, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 21:36 (three years ago)
― sctttnnnt (pgwp)
Yeah, I am absolutely voting for every track on this compilation. I am also realising that if this was a regular album, it would probably be in my top five albums of all time.
― kitchen person, Thursday, 5 May 2022 00:26 (three years ago)
XP: Feel free to go with unranked tracks! (Albums too, if you really want lol. I've stated 'unranked or unranked' for albums as well in the past, with shorter ballots, but there's been zero demand for it, so simply left the word out this time.)But, yeah, I get that none of this really addresses the problem of their oeuvre being pretty solid all the way through. :)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 5 May 2022 00:48 (three years ago)
"ranked or unranked" rather, aaargh
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 5 May 2022 00:50 (three years ago)
voted. my god that was tough. still second guessing myself but I honestly love every single song I put down. Its just the order I can't nail down
― gman59, Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:09 (three years ago)
Same for me. I love the 40 songs I have but I'm not going to ever be happy with the order. I'm still not even fully decided on my number one.
― kitchen person, Thursday, 5 May 2022 19:24 (three years ago)
I really skimped on WANW in my submitted ballot due to some spurious sense of it being a bit 'early vaguely unformed sketches' relative to later albums and then I played it this morning and was rapt for 40 mins, so, yeah. There is no way of ranking Broadcast that does not short-change massive chunks of Broadcast.
― technopolis, Thursday, 5 May 2022 21:17 (three years ago)
"ranked or unranked"
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 5 May 2022 22:07 (three years ago)
forgot how much I adore the outro to “Look Outside”
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 5 May 2022 23:47 (three years ago)
Yes! "Look Outside" is great, but I too needed to remind myself of this fact.
LOL mattkkkk. Probably a "tide raises all boats" sort of move with this particular discography, but given we've had people ruling out voting for years now I'm happy to accommodate every possible quirk if it means an extra ballot or two. :)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 6 May 2022 00:51 (three years ago)
After handful of ballots, 71 distinct tracks and 14 LPs/EPs have already got the nod from voters.
Shall I send you a quick summary, CaAL?
Incidentally, if I don't acknowledge your ballot by email (hopefully within a few hours unless it was the middle of the night here) something may have gone awry, so feel free to raise it. (I'm yet to experience this, but the occasional ballot has definitely gone astray in the long history of these polls, so please excuse this most tedious administrivia!)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 6 May 2022 03:51 (three years ago)
Oh my, I just realised I didn't get mattkkkk's joke on the first pass. LOL.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 6 May 2022 04:31 (three years ago)
according to no plan!
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 6 May 2022 07:19 (three years ago)
Awkwardness happening to someone... in this thread. *blushes*
Incidentally, from another thread: is there a glaringly obvious reason why this emerged? (Or maybe it was instantly the favourite of the great unwashed and I was just hopelessly ignorant?)
songs that weren't a bands biggest hit, but have gone on to be their legacy song and biggest iTunes seller
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 7 May 2022 05:31 (three years ago)
it’s been covered a few times, including by clairo
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Saturday, 7 May 2022 13:33 (three years ago)
there’s also a terrible cover out there by the band tennis
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Saturday, 7 May 2022 13:38 (three years ago)
Oh wow. Listening now. Thanks.
I should definitely have considered the possibility of covers after asking "Why does 'Swingin Party' have so many streams?" during The Replacements poll lol.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 7 May 2022 14:04 (three years ago)
it’s also the band’s most conventionally pretty song, which goes a long way in some quarters
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Saturday, 7 May 2022 14:26 (three years ago)
just remembered this band is pure magic, why the fuck would we poll them, like weighing a ghost
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 7 May 2022 14:40 (three years ago)
I feel like the point of a poll is secretly only 18.3% about ranking stuff, and some 81.7% about eliciting such declarations of love!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 7 May 2022 15:02 (three years ago)
I wasn't sure if I'd find time to participate in the poll, thinking I'd just follow. I'm so glad I am. I've listened to Maida Vale, and now I'm relistening the albums in order and I'm already so enthusiastic.ILM polls are like the cherry on top of music enjoyment.
― Nabozo, Saturday, 7 May 2022 18:49 (three years ago)
One oddity I tossed some points is the remix of Saint Etienne's Angel. Seemingly stripping the St Et content back to little more than a vocal snippet (?), it ends in up "Accidentals" territory instead: dominated by wonky looped samples from what sound like entirely unrelated sources. Spooky!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 7 May 2022 23:36 (three years ago)
"ends up in 'Accidentals' territory" rather. #BrainDamage
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 7 May 2022 23:57 (three years ago)
Voted!
Really tough getting these songs in order. Best band in the world.
― kitchen person, Sunday, 8 May 2022 15:41 (three years ago)
One oddity I tossed some points is the remix of Saint Etienne's Angel
Completely forgot about this! It deserved points yes. This was on Casino Classics (Oct 96) so pre-dates the release of Book Lovers - St Et were extremely early adopters. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they tried to sign Broadcast to EMIDisc? Thank fuck they did not succeed.
Best band in the world
This is definitely the case.
― technopolis, Sunday, 8 May 2022 15:54 (three years ago)
Princes Hill Secondary College Vocal Group wants to remind you to put the, um, bangin' Witch Cults opener, The Be Colony, on your ballot.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 9 May 2022 00:59 (three years ago)
Still the best version of Lights Out IMO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDc-k9kIRRg
― piscesx, Monday, 9 May 2022 02:24 (three years ago)
It's meatier than the BBC version innit. One thing I like about this song (though it's possibly most pronounced in the familiar studio version) is how the bass and the buzzy synth line accentuate the end of each bar, almost like they're being switched off altogether. Or like they're employing a tape loop again even though that's presumably not what they're doing this time. At least until later on, lol.
Also "I want to watch the carpark empty" is heavy, man.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 9 May 2022 03:50 (three years ago)
Which Microtronics are people thinking of voting for? I may put a few in, Microtronics 05 for example.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 9 May 2022 13:58 (three years ago)
I think I had all of 03-07 and a couple more from the second half on my shortlist. But ended up whittling that down to just 04 in the end. Clearly ballots should have had 50 slots. :(
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 9 May 2022 14:45 (three years ago)
*scans list for something that hasn't been mentioned yet*
Distant Call!!! Perhaps Echo's Answer's somewhat unheralded cousin, what with the icy mood and relative lack of a beat. All about the little details: bass as punctuation; the minutiae of the distortion on the synths; "I am not made of clay"; extended woozy coda. You know it makes sense.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 9 May 2022 22:59 (three years ago)
Fun fact: exactly one track has appeared on all ballots so far and... well, it's an a good one. (Mine is one of those ballots, so of course I approve.) But I would never have guessed this track at the outset.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 14:15 (three years ago)
No, wait, there are two in that category! I wouldn't have guessed the second one either!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 14:24 (three years ago)
A few extraordinary remixes/strays of note:
Projects, "Accidents Will Happen (Broadcast Remix)"Gonjasufi, "The Caliph's Tea Party (Broadcast & The Focus Group DedNd Remix)"The Sea and Cake, "Interiors (Broadcast Remix)"
― Freeze Instr., Tuesday, 10 May 2022 21:42 (three years ago)
People have already been talking about this, but Broadcast's live performances were awe-inspiring. The 2000 Black Session and especially the 2001 All Tomorrow's Parties performances were great, the latter especially, for example expanding the little Bonus Beat outro of "Where Youth and Laughter Go" into a monster jam.
And the two Australian shows from 2010, Melbourne and Meredith, are particularly mind-blowing. They have longer and more direct versions of Witch Cults-era songs; "A Séancing Song" turns from a bit of a trifle into something much more intense. The Melbourne show opens with an eerie 13-minute loopfest (called "Winter Sun Wavelengths" on the version I have) and both shows have the massive so called "Dulcimer Jam" — extraordinary — and "Eyes Open." And Keenan's voice has this particular next-level unearthliness, that's not reducible to the fact that these were her last shows.
― Freeze Instr., Tuesday, 10 May 2022 22:13 (three years ago)
I was at the Sydney show on that last tour and it was amazing. It was the only time I got to see them. Trish had the most joyous stage presence.
Winter Sun Wavelengths was their live (semi-?) improv soundtrack to a beautiful Julian House film, like the cumulative opening titles to every uncanny UKTV children’s serial 1965-1979.
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 22:20 (three years ago)
https://vimeo.com/15796306?embedded=true&source=video_title&owner=1002094
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 22:32 (three years ago)
I didn't know about that Julian House movie/soundtrack. It's a wild way to start a show. The version from Melbourne adds more vocals, feels like its spinning out of control.
I saw them in San Francisco in '09, and remember there being a lot of long, spooky, abrasive psych, like they were developing slow motion into some 1960s version of Coil, it was wild.
― Freeze Instr., Tuesday, 10 May 2022 23:11 (three years ago)
This is a pretty good document of Winter Sun Wavelengths
https://vimeo.com/11641209
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 23:28 (three years ago)
Not long after Trish died, James was talking about finishing a final Broadcast album which I presume would have featured some of those last songs like "dulcimer jam" and "eyes open" - what a holy grail release that would be.
The version of You and Me in Time at the end of the Melbourne show is breathtaking
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 23:31 (three years ago)
Cargill suggested that we demanded *some* sort of encore even they weren't set up for anything. It was rather moving to hear that he/they apparently found that final headline show particularly memorable. All the more so given Melbourne audiences have a reputation for crossed-arms and scowling lol.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 00:08 (three years ago)
So cool to see them play Winter Sun. And yes maybe someday for those songs... I imagine it must be totally overwhelming for him to deal with that material.
― Freeze Instr., Wednesday, 11 May 2022 00:32 (three years ago)
I still haven't seen a single mention of Beberian Sound studio - like me, do people tend to discount it as a release? I think a few of the demos James may have considered for finishing are there, I certainly hear Trish.
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 00:52 (three years ago)
I like it! Though, as with so many OST LPs, a succession of variations on a limited number of themes can be, er, challenging as one continuous program. They worked rather well in when I was shuffling that playlist up the top of the thread, for instance.
Funnily enough, The Equestrian Vortex mock title sequence was going to be the next thing I posted when the thread went quiet again. I gave it plenty of points.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 01:12 (three years ago)
I may be something of an outlier though!? My ballot is probably 30+% instrumental and I'd *always* liked them best when they were drawing heavily from euro soundtrack/production music less explicitly.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 01:41 (three years ago)
I listened to Focus Group and Berberian back to back today and actually prefer Berberian.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 02:58 (three years ago)
I actually found the DVD in an op shop the other week and bought it, but haven't yet watched it. Apologies for misspelling Berberian.
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 03:07 (three years ago)
swooning to the Maida Vale version of "City in Progress"
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 03:50 (three years ago)
* schedules a charity store tour of Tasmania *
Apologies for my endless typos in this thread btw. I mean, I have neurological problems, but even *I'm* puzzled by the constant misplacement and omission of words here. Yet another reason to be grateful that CaAL is onboard for the rollout for this one. :)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 04:27 (three years ago)
Agree they were great live - I saw them sometime round the turn of the century in Oxford at The Cape of Good Hope (called The Point, I think, back then) - I just remember a tremendous drive and force that I hadn't got from the records.
But I cannot find any evidence that this gig took place anywhere on the internet, which surprises, disappoints and slightly disturbs me.
― woof, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 10:16 (three years ago)
Still around 9-ish days till the deadline. More than enough time to contemplate a ballot even if you only noticed this thread this instant. Probably!
Here's a Berberian Sound Studio studio track I remember people occasionally citing as a standalone highlight: Teresa, Lark of Ascension. I assume that's Keenan there channeling her inner Edda Dell'Orso.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 12 May 2022 00:33 (three years ago)
woof maybe this is it? They are bloody difficult to search for.https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/broadcast/1997/oxford-brookes-university-oxford-england-33ca44a5.html
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 12 May 2022 02:38 (three years ago)
^ 3/6 being ditties most of us wouldn't hear till 2.5 years into the future. Wow.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 12 May 2022 04:47 (three years ago)
I dutifully bought We Are Reasonable People the following year principally for "Hammer Without A Master." I suspect I would have been hugely annoyed that that was 'only' a brooding amelodic instrumental if I hadn't been so hopelessly ignorant of the other wares they'd been merrily showing off live lol. (Actually, I probably *was* somewhat annoyed that it was a brooding amelodic instrumental, but I was young and stupid then and it's on my ballot for this exercise!)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 12 May 2022 05:16 (three years ago)
I saw them at Leeds Cockpit in Dec 2003 (again, very hard to now locate details of this online) and it concluded with Hammer Without a Master, with Trish harmonising over the extended outro as it deconstructed around her until she was acapella for the last couple of minutes and it was enormous and extraordinary.
― technopolis, Thursday, 12 May 2022 05:41 (three years ago)
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― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 12 May 2022 06:14 (three years ago)
they did it at bowlie too iirc, 1999. i have(had) a minidisc somewhere.
― koogs, Thursday, 12 May 2022 08:46 (three years ago)
Mattkkk, I don't think it was Brookes, and it was earlier than 2003 - I suspect it's either a missing date on this tour, which seems like it may have gaps:https://www.setlist.fm/setlists/broadcast-63d6f2eb.html?page=24Or there's a stray gig at the Charlotte in Leicester in 2001 that might be an ATP warm-up but seems a bit odd sitting on its own:https://www.setlist.fm/setlists/broadcast-63d6f2eb.html?page=22
― woof, Thursday, 12 May 2022 09:14 (three years ago)
I suppose it could have been the charlotte gig - it's my hometown and I might just be blurring small venues in my head. But I don't think so - there are missing gigs for other bands (eg Trail of Dead) at the same venue, around the same time.
I really thought the internet was at a point where there'd be a comprehensive gig history for any band with a decent number of fans.
― woof, Thursday, 12 May 2022 09:30 (three years ago)
I've definitely posted too much on this thread but I feel I should squeeze in some praise for Extended Play, the first one. I may have voted for every track. "Papercuts" probably needs little promotion and I feel like I've already typed "Where Youth & Laughter Go" a squillion times, but there's also the two wholly instrumental tracks. They're both pretty spiffy and perhaps their most conspicuously Italianate tracks pre-Berberian!?
Dave's DreamBelly Dance
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 12 May 2022 23:08 (three years ago)
Cool that one can find praise from their peers re pretty much every long-player, in Quietus Baker's Dozen features. eg.
- https://thequietus.com/articles/19111-jenny-hval-favourite-albums-interview?page=7- https://thequietus.com/articles/15422-peter-strickland-favourite-albums?page=4- https://thequietus.com/articles/22429-jane-weaver-interview-favourite-albums?page=7- https://thequietus.com/articles/19004-bradford-cox-deerhunter-atlas-sound-favourite-albums?page=6- https://thequietus.com/articles/29784-valentina-magaletti-interview-favourite-music-2?page=5- https://thequietus.com/articles/16971-anthroprophh-paul-allen-favourite-albums-interview?page=10
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 12 May 2022 23:55 (three years ago)
Rose Elinor Dougall called them her favourite band (just ahead of Stereolab) in the same feature. It makes sense her and Gwenno are huge fans. You can hear the influence all over their excellent solo albums.
https://thequietus.com/articles/21894-rose-dougall-interview-favourite-albums?page=3
― kitchen person, Friday, 13 May 2022 00:45 (three years ago)
^ Noice.
Amusing that despite them coming up over and over, every LP, one of their writers recently seemed to feel that Nite Jewel needed to defend such a outlandish choice.
What brought you to Broadcast? I’ve previously joked that they’re kind of like a bargain basement English Stereolab, but maybe I’m ungenerous…
(Also: 'English'? Because Stereolab are 'French'?)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 13 May 2022 05:57 (three years ago)
woof - was definitely the point (small often overpacked room above the old ‘the pub oxford’ on the roundabout at end of cowley road). Early 2000 as you say - my first year in university and not long after royal trux and shortly before clinic played there in shows for which there also strangely appear to be absolutely no record of on the internet. the noise made by people had just come out - so march / april / may perhaps.
Pretty sure wisdom of harry (pete astor) and king of woolworths (now recording as advisory circle on ghost box) supported.
Sonically and visually still one of the most amazing sets I’ve ever seen - felt like a glimpse into what i’d imagined being at velvet underground / the factory must have been like.
Can’t find any definitive proof of it either, but hope my faltering memory for detail helps/reassures you a bit
― msainsbo, Friday, 13 May 2022 06:04 (three years ago)
Thank you! Yes - I remember the lights/visuals and likewise got that Factory feeling. And that timing, supporting NMBP, is where my memory was placing it.
― woof, Friday, 13 May 2022 09:32 (three years ago)
fwiw my best guess for a date is between the Hove and Leeds gigs.
― woof, Friday, 13 May 2022 10:09 (three years ago)
Question - I'm just listening to the soundtrack of Valerie and her Week of Wonders for the first time & there's the whole melody for 'Valerie'. Why no writing credit? Is it a folk tune or…?
― woof, Friday, 13 May 2022 13:58 (three years ago)
(go 20 seconds into 'Brother and Sister' to see what I mean)
― woof, Friday, 13 May 2022 14:00 (three years ago)
that quietist nite jewel question is bonkers.
― dan selzer, Friday, 13 May 2022 19:38 (three years ago)
Yeah anyone who thinks Broadcast were "bargain basement Stereolab" can get out tbh, especially with that little backhand dig in the next question as well.
"Do you think that music that you listen to when you’re young – regardless of the quality – does just end up playing an outsize role in the sort of things that you enjoy musically?" Fuck off!
― "Spaghetti" Thompson (Pheeel), Friday, 13 May 2022 20:30 (three years ago)
There really is no "Valerie" acknowledgement on the Haha sleeve is there! (Unless eyestrain defeated me. I'm not sure it had occurred to me that House works quite so vigorously against the communication of real world facts lol.)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 13 May 2022 22:38 (three years ago)
Can we assume that a goodly number of people are intending to vote in the remaining week? I know by now that ballots overwhelmingly tend to arrive in the final days, so I'm hardly panicking. But with the pool still short of double digits I'm curious. Some long ago vowed to abstain in the organising thread(s), so we anticipated a sliiiightly smaller scale all along. Just so long as abstention isn't the dominant response!
If you do have opinions, this is a poll where they might even have more influence than average on the results. As always, lurkers are definitely welcome, in case anyone was looking for explicit confirmation. :)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 14 May 2022 01:27 (three years ago)
I narrowed my ballot to 40 tracks but struggling to order them. Also I’m a lot more basic than many of you because all my picks are from the first four albums and are definitely “songs.”
I love the psychedelic blur that stitches together the Broadcast tapestry, but if I’m going to pick them apart track by track then no, I’m not voting for microtronics or most of the later stuff. The sum is better than the parts.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 14 May 2022 01:45 (three years ago)
Happily, they were excellent purveyors of songs. I can't see any wrong answers. :)
We probably need more posts countering my "but wait, did you consider this b-side?" tendencies!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 14 May 2022 02:12 (three years ago)
Well aware that I haven't even sent in my ballot yet! Much to do on the ordering. I can report that Seeland and Raj, while lovely, will not be on my there, due to "not being Broadcasty enough" - some of the same ingredients are in there, but the recipe is very different. Still glad to heat though, some excellent stuff. Can anyone tell me what this sounds like? - it's been driving me crazy, sure I know this tune.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJSRho0kVvM
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 14 May 2022 09:31 (three years ago)
Roj not Raj! Good old autocorrect working its magic again.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 14 May 2022 10:16 (three years ago)
There's an "All tracks written and recorded by Broadcast". Disappointing.
― woof, Saturday, 14 May 2022 11:25 (three years ago)
They didn't credit Al Stewart on Message From Home either, despite nicking the arrangement from his version of Turn Into Earth!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGhvXa_uxNU
It's a bit like Stereolab and their many steals, if they started acknowledging all the blatant lifts from other tracks it might've opened a big can of worms, so it's probably a case of keeping quiet and hope the copyright police never notice.
― "Spaghetti" Thompson (Pheeel), Saturday, 14 May 2022 12:27 (three years ago)
Seemingly not just oversights on the sleeves either. eg. https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/520271412I thought I remembered them openly discussing the 'Valerie' source at the time so...*shrugs shoulders*Regarding Roj: I gave his album some points. But yeah, at most it sounds like he's using the same gadgets he used in Broadcast. Even less song-y than the least song-y Broadcast but meandering burpy electronics + bongos is sometimes a fine thing lol!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 14 May 2022 12:46 (three years ago)
I imagine it was a case of "if you credit then this will be held up for ages, maybe forever, so either don't credit or leave it off the LP"
I thought the Roj stuff was great tbh, just need stuff to leave off in order to put a ballot together!
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 14 May 2022 12:57 (three years ago)
I love the psychedelic blur that stitches together the Broadcast tapestry, but if I’m going to pick them apart track by track then no, I’m not voting for microtronics or most of the later stuff. The sum is better than the parts.― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, May 14, 2022 2:45 AM (eleven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, May 14, 2022 2:45 AM (eleven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
I know what you are saying here - I will be voting for later works higher in LPs than in tracks for sure.
However, let's have a look at Witch Cults for a moment, it's very much a whole-LP-experience, but there are still a few tracks I would point towards for consideration:
The Be Colony - If there is a "hit" on the LP it's this, it may be most Stereolabby thing they ever did.I See, So I See So - Can only describe this as "A lost track from The Wicker Man OST based on My Pal Foot Foot"Ritual/Looking In - I know people are hesitant about looped instrumentals, but there is something just incredible about this, just that dragging, stuttering motion and the flute.Make My Sleep His Song - Theme to an Eastern European experimental James Bond film
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 14 May 2022 13:22 (three years ago)
Yes! What you said!
"Make My Sleep His Song" is the one track I've been contemplating squeezing onto my theoretically finalised ballot for weeks. (Since *checks* Western With Bacon Flavor raised it.) I guess I've been vaguely trying to resist a second breach of my entirely arbitrary and unworkable "try to vote before seeing anyone else's ballot" rule!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 14 May 2022 14:46 (three years ago)
Speaking of which: if anyone else want to adjust anything, it's easily done!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 14 May 2022 14:50 (three years ago)
So... about 6 days left. 75 distinct tracks have appeared on ballots thus far. And 15 LPs/EPs.
Here's one (not very) random album track I don't think has been mentioned here yet: Winter Now.
I distinctly remember hearing to this the day Keenan died. (Amongst other things, I guess, but the memory is most concrete for this one.) Actually, it was almost certainly this CBC footage in particular.
Also: that Al Stewart track has been swimming around in my head for 12 hours now. Thanks Pheeel!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 15 May 2022 00:22 (three years ago)
voted
― nashwan, Sunday, 15 May 2022 20:59 (three years ago)
Okay, I believe we're safely into double digits now. Feels like a quorum lol!
Five-ish days left. Everything must go. Kerrazy deals in your email client, etc.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 16 May 2022 00:49 (three years ago)
Meanwhile I'll post possibly my last EP oddity: A Man For Atlantis
The transitions to that waltzy bit from that splatter of other stuff is rather pleasing to my tiny brain.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 16 May 2022 01:22 (three years ago)
ah crap just realised I left Small Song IV off my ballot
― nashwan, Monday, 16 May 2022 08:50 (three years ago)
Still time to remedy it if you wish. I see you have room for expansion, even. :)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 16 May 2022 09:20 (three years ago)
Just doing my final run-through and has occurred to me that Broadcast only made something approaching a regular indie/rock/pop song on two occasions, and neither gets much in the way of attention - Living Room and Michael A Grammar. (expecting this idea to be roundly disagreed-with)
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 16 May 2022 13:28 (three years ago)
B-b-but I've seen some evidence that those tracks attract a non-trivial amount of attention! :)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 16 May 2022 14:36 (three years ago)
I overlooked a ballot from the other day! That's a bit frightening. Seems I *am* less than 100% reliable so definitely pester me if your message is met with eery silence.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 16 May 2022 23:20 (three years ago)
Four-ish days left.
80-something tracks have received points.
The last of the tracks that had appeared on every ballot finally lost that status yesterday.
The frontrunners are pretty tightly clustered, mostly separated by a fraction of the points associated with a first-place ranking, so later votes can certainly still make a big difference!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 16 May 2022 23:38 (three years ago)
something approaching a regular indie/rock/pop song
Winter Now?
― everything, Monday, 16 May 2022 23:49 (three years ago)
Living Room and Michael A Grammar. (expecting this idea to be roundly disagreed-with)
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length)
I love both of these, especially Living Room which was the first Broadcast song I ever heard. Probably one of my best discoveries from listening to John Peel back in the day.
― kitchen person, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 01:12 (three years ago)
"Living Room" was almost certainly the first thing I heard too, on a program devoted to new UK releases. "Sixties-influenced, a bit like St Etienne" the announcer said. (That might have been a halfway helpful comparison at that time? Can imagine "Living Room" in particular airing back to back with "You're in a Bad Way" or whatever.)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 02:51 (three years ago)
(Maybe kinda prescient given the "Angel" remix was possibly mere weeks into the future.)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 03:00 (three years ago)
Chord Simple just came on & vaguely regretting not voting for it separately - I'm not a good music-describer so I'll just say pretty & I love the drums.
(I do not really want to change my ballot N!N!N! - what's done is done).
Question, about that one weird Broadcast fact: is The Book Lovers actually used in Austin Powers, or is it just on the soundtrack album?
― woof, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 12:33 (three years ago)
From memory I think there's 30 seconds of it over the last part of the end credits, after they do that BBC song.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 13:00 (three years ago)
I have discovered fairly recently that the US and UK cuts of Austin Powers are substantially different, to the extent that the only truly brilliant part is apparently not in the US cut at all, so would not be surprised if Broadcast aren't on the US cut.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 13:03 (three years ago)
Ha wow the scene with Rob Lowe is missing from the US version??
― piscesx, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 13:48 (three years ago)
I consider Broadcast to be one of my favorite bands, but wow, I'm having a tough time getting to 40 tracks. I clearly gravitate toward the more catchy tunes, not sure if I have the fortitude to decide which Microtonics entry is the best.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 15:04 (three years ago)
At last standing 66 tracks had two or more votes, probably up to 70 with the latest update. Maybe should make a playlist of these to help people who don't want to listen to the whole discography. But also you can submit less than 40 if you like, no shame in that (as long as you include Phantom and Ritual/Looking In!)
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 15:27 (three years ago)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!
I seem to remember Bob Stanley calling Broadcast his favourite group at one point.
― kitchen person, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 16:10 (three years ago)
I just submitted my ballot. Got in fairly rough order and decided just to not fuss much more beyond that. The result - "Chord Simple" was ranked 41.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 16:14 (three years ago)
Yeah, no real minimum ballot length. Feel free to do weird things with your points too, if that makes it any easier. You could have a 20-way tie for 21st place if you really wanted. Or zany tiered arrangements.
eg.40 tracks x 20 points = 800 total points#1-#20: 700 points distributed distributed across the top 20#21-#40: 5 points each
XP: Just saw your email pgwp! I should be asleep so I'll look forward to data entry in a few hours!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 16:34 (three years ago)
Superb 1998 South bank show featured on Gid Coe's 6 music show last night skip to 2:17 for the Broadcast but stick around for Coe's avuncular charm and excellent musical choices https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00175wr
Out of curiosity have people generally be including the eps in their releases list? I wanted to but it unspooled my mind....
― cw, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 17:00 (three years ago)
I treated Work and Non-Work as an album but the other EPs, I treated as separate releases.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 17:19 (three years ago)
Same. But I also voted for The Book Lovers EP. Those four tracks are worth voting for twice.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 17:26 (three years ago)
Yes, he said in his obituary for Trish Keenan that "Broadcast, hands down, were my favourite group of the last fifteen years".
https://www.caughtbytheriver.net/2011/01/trish-keenan-remembered-by-bob-stanley/
― Portsmouth Bubblejet, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 20:28 (three years ago)
Looks I should have seen The White Bus. Accidentals is even eerier set to excerpts from (largely) that.
The unnamed "instrumental" from that BBC thing is particularly interesting. I really don't think I've heard that sort of guitar from them anywhere else.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 23:02 (three years ago)
^ Er, "Looks LIKE"
89 different tracks have now appeared on ballots. As CaAL said, just on 70 have been seconded/thirded/etc. But tracks in, say, the top 50 overwhelmingly have 7+ votes now.
We're still aiming for votes being finalised by the time Friday is over for everyone on earth. We have a federal parliamentary poll closing at almost exactly that same instant here, I just realised, but this here poll is significantly more important.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 23:45 (three years ago)
Some 72 hours left to vote if you wish to do so.
https://time.is/Anywhere_on_Earth
Official bump soundtrack: O How I Miss You
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 13:19 (three years ago)
can we submit mixed ballots? i can def piece together a ranked list of 10-15 songs but idk if i will be able to rank all 40
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 15:15 (three years ago)
i have 40 songs picked, and my process now is listening, going "wow i love this" and moving the song to the top of my list. repeat process 40 times.
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 15:24 (three years ago)
Mixed is fine. You can do pretty much whatever you want in terms of waitings (to a maximum of 40 points) and ballot length (up to 40 items) OR we'll just apply generic values from 40 down to 5 as outlined at the top.
Just start with 20 points x No. of items. (eg. 800 points for 40 items.) And divide up the total however you see fit.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 15:57 (three years ago)
Less than 72 hours… Probably not the best time to only *start* my re-listening. Dear me, forgot just how much music they made. In my head it was, like, 3 records. How have I got a pile of 10 to work through?
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 21:17 (three years ago)
You can probably skip Mother Is the Milky Way tbh.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 21:24 (three years ago)
Ha, no way. That could be my second favourite at the moment - just the right balance between abstract and more traditional song structures. Kinda sums up what was good about Broadcast IMO.
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 21:29 (three years ago)
Listening through everything it was my least favourite release (and Witch Cults, from the same year no less, is top of my LPs list) - but sth I can see from the votes so far is that there are many different types of Broadcast fan.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 21:38 (three years ago)
Mother has grown in stature for me, since the reissue. It probably didn't help that it was previously just a collection of mp3s that I downloaded and misplaced several times over lol.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 19 May 2022 00:31 (three years ago)
"in terms of waitings (to a maximum of 40 points)"
Good lord, my brain barely works at all at 2 AM, it seems. Weightings, obv.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 19 May 2022 00:40 (three years ago)
Any chance this could be extended through the end of the weekend?
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 19 May 2022 01:44 (three years ago)
I'll let CaAL express a view on that in the (UK) morning. I was trying to preserve a small buffer before possible commencement of the rollout early next week.
It's still almost 2.5 days till the end of Friday in UTC-12.* Maybe we'll see how people are going closer to that time?
* it's true, I am enjoying arbitrarily referring to a timezone with no inhabitants.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 19 May 2022 02:18 (three years ago)
One more vote for the extension through the weekendThere's a reason every country votes on Sundays :D
― Nabozo, Thursday, 19 May 2022 06:09 (three years ago)
I am OK for an extension, would buy me a little time to make the pictures.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 19 May 2022 07:37 (three years ago)
XP: B-b-but...Okay, until 11:59pm Sunday night then! As long as every such ballot contains "Phantom" and "Ritual", obviously.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 19 May 2022 09:03 (three years ago)
...and "Inside Out", for that matter, kthx.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 19 May 2022 09:06 (three years ago)
Here's the Daphne Oram EP mentioned in that obituary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1S8pDiuzJ4
― piscesx, Thursday, 19 May 2022 12:41 (three years ago)
what do your fans look like?
trish: it’s quite a mixture actually. ha ha ha. I suppose the one type I’ve come across more than any other is this short, small gay computer or website type guy. I don’t know why. I wouldn’t say they’re nerds. when I meet these people, I say “I know he’s gay and I bet he works in computers,” and it will come out and I think “how bizarre.”
This Chickfactor thing is frequently hilarious. Though y'all probably knew this decades ago.
XP: Cool!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 19 May 2022 12:55 (three years ago)
ha, amazing!
cf: who is the most underappreciated artist in this country?trish: autechre. I think they’re fantastic. there’s no compromise with what they do. they’re not massive either; they’ll pull a decent crowd, like at camber sands they pulled a good crowd. the autechre fans are always boys that can’t walk properly, they’ll push your pint into you. rude, horrible boys go to autechre gigs. I always get a laugh out of it. if they wanted to do a commercial track, it would be no. 1.
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 19 May 2022 13:14 (three years ago)
t/s: small gay computer / website guys vs rude, horrible boys that can't walk properly
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 19 May 2022 13:16 (three years ago)
lol how many Neil Bullock drum solos should I include on my tracks ballot? (yes, I’ve reached 2003)
― Jeff W, Thursday, 19 May 2022 16:53 (three years ago)
It's interesting that the procession of drummers ended up being a bit hard to keep track of, for a band volunteering (in that Sean Hughes interview above) the protracted pursuit of "what bass drum sound we want, what snare sound we want" as the first reason for TNMBP taking forever to finish.
Somewhat related: I suspect them seemingly ceasing to care much about awesome-sounding drums, beyond a track or two, is a factor in Tender Buttons being the least durable LP for me.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 20 May 2022 00:39 (three years ago)
Long voting periods are dangerous. Now I'm pondering all over again, a month later, whether the Children of Alice compilation should be on my albums ballot!!!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 20 May 2022 01:24 (three years ago)
Help I just listened to "Corporeal" 6 times in a row can't stop
― J. Sam, Friday, 20 May 2022 01:58 (three years ago)
I guess we're back to something like 3 days out from the (revised) deadline. So here's yet another excruciating reminder not to dilly-dally!
90 tracks have received the nod now. And things are still pretty tight on the scoreboard. eg. the present #10 is barely (the equivalent of) one first-place vote ahead of #20.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 20 May 2022 12:17 (three years ago)
extend it to Autumn as that's when most of the tracks sound best ;)
― nashwan, Friday, 20 May 2022 12:42 (three years ago)
xps
I've been there only recently. Corporeal on repeat loudly is so addictive. Something about the drone-warmth & melodic clarity. I just don't want to leave it.
― woof, Friday, 20 May 2022 13:08 (three years ago)
It is autumn here, for few more days! :) I can report that they are indeed sounding good.
I'm not aware of any other ballots originating from the southern hemisphere yet though, 'strue. Though some 'strayans have visited the thread IIRC.
Official soundtrack, for this *bump*, btw: Arc of a Journey
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 20 May 2022 13:37 (three years ago)
This was a lot of fun. I've been listening since mid-97, but had to write down lyric snippets in my spreadsheet to help remember what song is what--if you'd asked me to hum a bit of "Lunch Hour Pops" a month ago I'd have been stuck. When listening to Ha Ha Sound it was "ah yes the swirly one where the balloons go outside," and it's a favorite. So now I can properly ID most songs from a band I've long cherished. And I gave more attention to Berberian, Microtronics and Witch Cults than ever before. Thanks very much for doing this poll, and also for the great spreadsheet, which was very helpful.
― Torei, Friday, 20 May 2022 18:54 (three years ago)
voted!
― kraudive, Friday, 20 May 2022 20:35 (three years ago)
I received one ballot in the last few hours, which is think is Torei's. (With a special note about 'Colour Me In' -- I figure that's distinctive.) Did you definitely send yours around the time of your post, kraudive?
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 20 May 2022 22:53 (three years ago)
The one message I had overlooked days ago had been erroneously directed to my spam folder. But not this one. Perplexing!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 21 May 2022 02:07 (three years ago)
Just tried to send again.
― kraudive, Saturday, 21 May 2022 11:41 (three years ago)
Yep! Got it. Thanks. :)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 21 May 2022 11:44 (three years ago)
I'm just entering a ballot which included "Winter Sun Wavelengths". Something which hadn't really occurred to me before. I recall it was ostensibly improvised but it was definitely a recurring thing in their late sets. I'm certainly not inclined to say it's ineligible!
I guess y'all have a little less than 2 days left, so you best not let it slip your mind now if you'd been working on a ballot!
Official soundtrack for this post: Microtronics 07
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 21 May 2022 15:22 (three years ago)
I was the one who included "Winter Sun Wavelengths". It was just so mesmerizing when I saw them on that last tour...and something I will never forget. Felt like I had to include it. Probably didn't give it quite enough points unless some other people have it on their ballot.
― chewy, Saturday, 21 May 2022 19:39 (three years ago)
Another thing I should mention in relation to late ballots: Familiar Shapes and Noises!
I didn't initially want to specify a lower limit on the minimum possible size of LPs/EPs, but I obviously ended up doing so where it actually mattered. This isn't "4 or more tracks" long, but I'm not particularly keen on excluding stuff, so it made its way into the results, somewhat inconsistently. Just in case anyone else really did want to list it but didn't, I'm happy to receive amendments. (And strongly-worded complaints about procedural sloppiness too, I guess.)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 22 May 2022 00:34 (three years ago)
97 distinct tracks have received votes. We're currently nudging the 20 ballot mark. A quick check of recent polls suggests that that would put this at the TMBG or Cat Power level in terms of size of the voter pool. I actually like how a rollout would look with the current numbers, so this might even be ideal!
On the other hand, something like a dozen more people have appeared in the thread at least vaguely hinting they may vote. And up to half of ballots so far were from people I hadn't previously known were keen. So I haven't a clue what to expect.
Anyway, there's some 36 hours left!
Official soundtrack for this post: this drummer covering the drum part of Man Is Not A Bird
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 22 May 2022 01:40 (three years ago)
Voted Just made the results more conventional and boring
― Nabozo, Sunday, 22 May 2022 10:11 (three years ago)
(Although none of their music is either so I'm probably fine)
― Nabozo, Sunday, 22 May 2022 10:13 (three years ago)
Haha. No wrong answers innit. I seem to recall you jiggled a bunch of things around, as you'd hope.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 22 May 2022 11:24 (three years ago)
About this time tomorrow the weekend will be over everywhere on earth. I'll close this down then.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 22 May 2022 12:30 (three years ago)
Voted
― Jeff W, Sunday, 22 May 2022 14:40 (three years ago)
For anyone who is putting together a last-minute ballot and suddenly facing quite how much music is there on the big playlist, here's a list of all non-big-five (W&NW/NMBP/HHS/TB/TFC) tracks which currently have at least one vote.
Witch Cults
The Be ColonyA Quiet MomentI See, So I See SoOne Million Years AgoLet It Begin / Oh JoyWhat I SawRitual / Looking InLibra, the Mirror's Minor SelfMake My Sleep His SongThe Be Colony/Dashing Home/What on earth took you?
Familiar Shapes...
Inside OutTuesday's Offering
Mother Is The Milky Way
In Here The World BeginsElegant ElephantThe Aphid SleepsI'm Just A Person In This Roomy VerseMother's Milk Means Music
Berberian Sound Studio
The Equestrian VortexTeresa, Lark of AscensionOur Darkest Sabbath
Microtronics
Microtronics 04Microtronics 05Microtronics 07Microtronics 12Microtronics 19Microtronics 20
BBC Sessions
Sixty FortyForget Every Time
Various
Hammer Without A Master'What You Want' AKA Dulcimer JamWinter Sun WavelengthsAnd I'm GoneEyes OpenThe Liminal SpaceDDL
Remixes
Avril - Be Yourself (Remixed By Broadcast)St. Etienne - Angel (Broadcast Mix)Badly Drawn Boy - Another Pearl (The Broadcast Remix)Miki Furukawa - Coffee (Broadcast Remix)The Sea And Cake - Interiors (Broadcast Remix)
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 22 May 2022 18:10 (three years ago)
* checks the time at Howland Island, as one does *
https://time.is/Howland_Island
About 11 hours to vote, if ya wanna.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 23 May 2022 00:57 (three years ago)
Ballot sent, extension appreciated!
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Monday, 23 May 2022 03:08 (three years ago)
argh I forgot Winter Sun Wavelengths, but there are several problems with my ballot anyway
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 23 May 2022 04:25 (three years ago)
^ You have space and time for it, should the oversight become unbearable!
We're sitting at 22 ballots now. 108 tracks have been given points.
I already said this, but the pool is *still* just small enough for any given ballot to make a decent splash. I get a play a little side-game, watching the rise and fall of stuff over time lol.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 23 May 2022 05:14 (three years ago)
'get TO play', rather
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 23 May 2022 05:15 (three years ago)
ballot sent, apologies for weird formatting in my email
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 23 May 2022 05:34 (three years ago)
*thumbs-up emoji*
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 23 May 2022 05:38 (three years ago)
^ You have space and time for it, should the oversight become unbearable!I seem to have a knack for misreading you, matttkkkk! Sorry. I now see I somehow took your post as a followup from Neue Jesse Schule. This is likely my very last excruciating 'hurry up' post. :) If anyone else was planning to submit, the next 3 hours would be great.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 23 May 2022 09:03 (three years ago)
I’m happy with your interpretations N!N!N! and I’m fine with my flawed ballot …
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 23 May 2022 11:56 (three years ago)
I think that's it for nominations, NNN do you have any more in the inbox?
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 23 May 2022 12:05 (three years ago)
votes not nominations gah
Nope. So the present contents of the spreadsheet are basically it.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 23 May 2022 12:23 (three years ago)
Just submitted a ballot, hope it's not too late. No worries if it is tho!
― J. Sam, Monday, 23 May 2022 12:26 (three years ago)
Yep. I'm about 10 minutes from my proper computer, so I'll rush home and enter it, CaAL!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 23 May 2022 12:35 (three years ago)
ok with me
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 23 May 2022 12:42 (three years ago)
Thanks! Apologies for the last-minuteness
― J. Sam, Monday, 23 May 2022 13:09 (three years ago)
That concludes the data collection, by the way. Stay tuned for the rollout.
And thanks for voting, voters! I expected a faaairly lean turnout, and hesitated for years, given the conspicuously chilly reception to the idea in the poll coordinating thread. I think it's likely I would have just let it rest indefinitely without Camaraderie at Arms Length occasionally agitating for it over there!
24 ballots is healthier than I dared to expect. A whisker short of, say, a Prefab Sprout. :)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 23 May 2022 22:44 (three years ago)
Look there has been plenty of time for everyone to discover Broadcast, so if 24 is the most we can muster, I am actually forming a judgement of ILXors on this matter.
― assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 00:05 (three years ago)
Haha. 24 is not really a suuuper-low turnout by ILX 2022 standards. eg. Daft Punk apparently attracted 30 participants last month and they surely shifted some serious units and made news bulletins when they disbanded!
Something that came up repeatedly (starting years ago) is the "I love them but the discography is too tiny for this" thing. I guess there aren't many ostensibly 'pop' acts who are actually NOT really that at all for half of their discography.* For some, a lot of the vocal-free stuff and messy later stuff may be almost sub-consciously dismissed at the outset. I think I get how one might end up with a pre-shrunk pool of plausible candidates.
*obligatory Stereolab comparison: I feel like they more reliably retained hummable wordless vocal melodies and driving rhythms when meandering away from the land of lyrics.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 02:46 (three years ago)
. Daft Punk apparently attracted 30 participants last month...
What do you mean apparently? No, THEY did get 30 ballots when all was said and done.
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 02:58 (three years ago)
I simply meant "I just went and found a source that told me that's what happened". If I gave the impression I doubted this claim, it was not intentional. It'd be pretty peculiar thing to dispute tbh!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 03:08 (three years ago)
No harm no foul. It just stuck me as weird to put "apparently" in that sentence as if I made up some ballots or something. All is well...
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 03:14 (three years ago)
Oh god, no! Nothing like that!
I'd be prepared to believe that my word choices are odd. Like, quite often. Language processing is legit a bit of a mess for me nowadays, lol.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 03:29 (three years ago)
My apologies, I should've brought it up.
Good luck with this poll, it sounds like they have a dedicated fan base. Which should make for a great poll.
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 03:34 (three years ago)
Twas a fair query!
Something just occurred me: two consecutive polls for artists with an early release on Duophonic, sort of.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 03:42 (three years ago)
Camaraderie at Arms Length is busily preparing for the rollout!
I've a question in the meantime.
A voter mentioned, when submitting their ballot, that that original second section of "Where Youth and Laughter Goes" (or the interlude after it, if you prefer) was likely kept off The Future Crayon because of an uncleared sample. Anyone know what they might have sampled?
I feel like I've alluded to it a comically large number of times in this thread but perhaps not linked to it directly. THIS BIT :)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 13:29 (three years ago)
CaAL has advised that a rolllout thread will be initiated around Sunday, with the rollout proper likely being Mon-Fri. I know all the things, but I'm no less excited lol.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 23:25 (three years ago)
Very excited for this rollout!
― kitchen person, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 01:47 (three years ago)
Here's another unacknowledged borrowed melody. (Mostly in the final 30s.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtqDsZ8skNk
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 26 May 2022 07:15 (three years ago)
Apologies for radio silence over here, frantically making images when I can find time between busy work week, my wife's visa documents, my mix for 1942, etc. (No worries, I've cleared next week almost entirely)(If anyone has any images they would like to suggest, feel free to post them here, no promises on using of course, but good to have a decent stock to work from)
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 26 May 2022 10:25 (three years ago)
Results thread here:
TEARS IN THE TYPING POLL: ILM Artist Poll #114 - BROADCAST (Results Thread)
all very well linking from that thread to here but it's this one that people have bookmarked
― koogs, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 13:21 (three years ago)