98. The Foo Fighters, "Walking After You"97. Mase feat. Total, "What You Want"96. Semisonic, "Closing Time"95. Iggy Pop and Françoise Hardy, "I'll Be Seeing You"94. Foxy Brown, "Hot Spot"93. The Donnas, "Rock & Roll Machine"92. Spoon, "Metal Detektor"91. The Spice Girls, "Stop"90. Korea Girl, "Under the Sun"89. Willie Nelson, "Darkness on the Face of the Earth"88. Next, "Too Close"87. The Drive-By Truckers, "The Living Bubba"86. Saint Etienne, "Lose That Girl"85. True Love Always, "Spring Collection"84. Maxwell, "Everwanting: To Want You to Want"83. Mono, "Life in Mono"82. Black Box Recorder, "It's Only the End of the World"81. The Rondelles, "Safety in Numbers"80. Hall & Oates, "Promise Ain't Enough"79. Total, "Trippin'"78. Savage Garden, "Truly Madly Deeply"77. Sarah McLachlan, "Sweet Surrender"76. Master P, "Make 'Em Say Uhh!"75. Everclear, "I Will Buy You a New Life"74. Kahimi Karie, "Watashi No Jinsei, Jinsei No Natsu"73. PJ Harvey, "Is This Desire?"72. Deborah Cox, "Nobody's Supposed to Be Here"71. Quickspace, "Hadid"70. All Saints, "Never Ever"69. Liz Phair, "Johnny Feelgood"68. Third Eye Blind, "Losing a Whole Year"67. Brandy, "Almost Doesn't Count"66. The Gerbils, "Crayon Box"65. Mogwai, "Small Children in the Background"64. Backstreet Boys, "Everybody (Backstreet's Back)"63. Silkk the Shocker, "It Ain't My Fault"62. The Boredoms, "Super Shine"61. Hanson, "Weird"60. Julie Ruin, "Radical or Pro-Parental"59. Buffalo Daughter, "Socks, Drugs and Rock & Roll"58. Lord Tariq & Peter Gunz, "Deja Vu (Uptown Baby)"57. Belle & Sebastian, "This Is Just a Modern Rock Song"56. Sheryl Crow, "My Favorite Mistake"55. Stardust, "Music Sounds Better With You"54. Chocolate Genius, "My Mom"53. Elvis Costello and Burt Bacharach, "Toledo"52. Juvenile, "Ha"51. The Dixie Chicks, "There's Your Trouble"50. Fatboy Slim, "The Rockafeller Skank"49. Cher, "Believe"48. Neutral Milk Hotel, "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea"47. Pras Michel feat. Ol' Dirty Bastard and Mya, "Ghetto Supastar"46. Imperial Teen, "Yoo Hoo"45. Destiny's Child, "No, No, No (Pt. 2)"44. Boards of Canada, "An Eagle in Your Mind"43. Sparklehorse, "Sunshine"42. Wyclef Jean, "Gone Til November"41. Robert Pollard, "Subspace Biographies"40. The Verve, "Bitter Sweet Symphony"39. R.E.M., "At My Most Beautiful"38. Placebo, "Pure Morning"37. Divine, "Lately"36. Robbie Williams, "Strong"35. Black Star, "Definition"34. Ivy, "I've Got a Feeling"33. Pulp, "Help the Aged"32. Monica, "The First Night"31. Silver Jews, "The Wild Kindness"30. Massive Attack, "Angel"29. Prince and the New Power Generation, "Mad Sex"28. Air, "Sexy Boy"27. Lucinda Williams, "Metal Firecracker"26. Elliott Smith, "Bled White"25. Jermaine Dupri feat. Jay-Z, "Money Ain't a Thang"24. Garbage, "Push It"23. Beastie Boys, "Intergalactic"22. Catatonia, "Road Rage"21. DMX, "Get at Me Dog"20. Alanis Morrissette, "Thank U"19. Mya, "It's All About Me"18. Gang Starr feat. Inspectah Deck, "Above the Clouds"17. Sonic Youth, "Hoarfrost"16. Madonna, "Ray of Light"15. Cadallaca, "Pocket Games"14. Noreaga, "Superthug"13. Hole, "Celebrity Skin"12. Lifter Puller, "Nassau Coliseum"11. Big Pun feat. Joe, "Still Not A Player"10. The New Radicals, "You Get What You Give"9. Jay-Z feat. Amil and Ja Rule, "Can I Get A..."8. Lauryn Hill, "Lost Ones"7. Marilyn Manson, "The Dope Show"6. Cat Power, "Metal Heart"5. Aaliyah, "Are You That Somebody?"4. OutKast, "Rosa Parks"3. Natalie Imbruglia, "Torn"2. Nicole feat. Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott & Mocha: "Make It Hot"1. Harvey Danger, "Flagpole Sitta"
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 27 June 2022 09:29 (three years ago)
via https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/the-98-best-songs-of-1998-pops-weirdest-year-628131/
spotify list https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1ygnVtWJPl5PvhCcoo1XAT?si=e3c93e0e379e4d40
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 27 June 2022 09:30 (three years ago)
so anyway, I don't know that list list is brilliant or exhaustive, but really a fun listen - it was a very good year!
choices not too obvious, decent diversity
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 27 June 2022 09:32 (three years ago)
recently learned my partner's 19yo niece is a big Harvey Danger fan and knows other songs by them
― nashwan, Monday, 27 June 2022 09:37 (three years ago)
is this what ILM is now
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 09:47 (three years ago)
we're not sick, but we're not well
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 27 June 2022 09:49 (three years ago)
lol
fwiw the recent peoples_pop 1998 poll was great - that kind of format is a much better way to explore years of yore than simply going with what some irrelevant zine dictates
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 09:49 (three years ago)
a poll which also featured 100% more Feel It than this
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 09:50 (three years ago)
list is not dictated by some irrelevant zine, it's an idiosyncratic list by Rob Sheffield
in my experience that tends to yield more fun results than aggregating ballots
anyway it's all about loving music and finding new ways to explore so pls insert results from the poll you refer to
haha but yes, feel it, tamperer, maya, what a jam
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 27 June 2022 10:05 (three years ago)
peoples_pop format is absolutely the opposite of ballot aggregation - everybody who participates gets at least one nomination into the poll, so you end up with literally every participant's taste represented. ROB Sheffield is undoubtedly a very learned and broad-minded music fan but he is only one man. I will withdraw 'irrelevant zine' as being overly mean-spirited tho
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 10:08 (three years ago)
idk why it capitalised Rob there
also if this could become a discussion about why 1998 is pop's weirdest year - a sort of unrooted in-between time with a thousand different strains of pop vying for supremacy - then good, bring it on
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 10:12 (three years ago)
(the p_p winner, Teardrop, isn't even here, funnily enough! Angel is better tho I agree lol)
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 10:15 (three years ago)
xp yeah that's an interesting perspective - I was thinking while listening to the playlist that it really is very diverse in sound and that it would perhaps be difficult to make as "weird" a list for 2022
but not sure if the list is actually representative of pop in '98, and if I get to choose non-mainstream "pop" I could probably do a pretty eclective '22 list
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 27 June 2022 10:15 (three years ago)
I am a sucker for that late 90s sound though so very enjoyable listen either way
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 27 June 2022 10:16 (three years ago)
you could do a list for any of the last 10 years that dwarfs 1998 for outlandish experimentation, diversity, etc - but it was notable just how unformed and downright shonky much of the music right at the heart of the mainstream was at that point - and if you're someone who values a bit of shonkiness, that makes it a time of fruitful pickings
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 10:20 (three years ago)
there's an argument that 1998, from a Western cultural perspective, was close to peak wide-eyed naive optimism. look at the songtitles in this list! yeah a few had the millennial tension early and a few knew how fucked it all was but this really does feel like a time when people thought infinity was possible, right here, right now
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 10:23 (three years ago)
and then there's poor Elliott Smith, oh boy, he knew. thankfully most were more naive
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 10:28 (three years ago)
I looked at the wikipedia page for 1998 in British music, and I feel like this entry in the 'events' section is an important piece of supporting evidence for 1998 as 'a sort of unrooted in-between time':
29 August - The Chart Show is dropped from ITV and is replaced with CD:UK, which ran until 2006.
― soref, Monday, 27 June 2022 10:38 (three years ago)
It’s interesting how many of these I’ve never heard of, or haven’t knowingly heard.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 27 June 2022 12:19 (three years ago)
But at this point in my life the radio/mainstream pop was not a priority at all, unless I was driving with a friend or we were hanging out watching MTV or whatever.
Lord, what a sweet R.E.M. song “At My Most Beautiful” is and always will be.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 27 June 2022 12:24 (three years ago)
I’d be interested to see Rob’s list for this year in albums.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 27 June 2022 12:28 (three years ago)
Most of this list is not good but at least there's Quickspace! It does feel like a good stab at representing the fact that there was a lot of different stuff going on, but I don't think it makes for an actually great list.
― emil.y, Monday, 27 June 2022 12:56 (three years ago)
there's an argument that 1998, from a Western cultural perspective, was close to peak wide-eyed naive optimism.
Really? I would have thought this was more the case wrt 1990, in the immediate post-Berlin Wall days.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 27 June 2022 13:27 (three years ago)
There may have been two peaks?
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 13:29 (three years ago)
The Jesus Jones era xp
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 27 June 2022 13:31 (three years ago)
RIGHT HERERIGHT NOW*BANGIN’ GTR SOLO*
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 27 June 2022 13:34 (three years ago)
I'll bite - why would this have been more true of 1998 than, say, 1971? Pop music didn't feel very weird or eclectic to me at the time.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 27 June 2022 13:41 (three years ago)
I haven't read the actual piece yet, though, since Rob Sheffield's writing and opinions annoy me almost as much as late 90s pop did. Some songs I like on that list tbf.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 27 June 2022 13:42 (three years ago)
Well, if we're accepting the premise, there wasn't just one weird year for pop, it's cyclical - sometimes the zeitgeist is a little more established, sometimes a little more unprecedented. But it is all about perspective, sure.
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 14:00 (three years ago)
I'm pretty sure that "weirdest pop year ever" does mean his premise is it was weirder than any other year!
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 27 June 2022 14:09 (three years ago)
I agree that it would make more sense to look at these things more in terms of cycles.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 27 June 2022 14:13 (three years ago)
Zines have gotta sensationalise a little; they'd die otherwise!
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 14:37 (three years ago)
the bizarre-est year in pop history was 1996, which marked the release of “how bizarre” by omc
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Monday, 27 June 2022 14:53 (three years ago)
I wanna know the rest
― nashwan, Monday, 27 June 2022 15:08 (three years ago)
I’ll have to read the piece, but this just looks like a list of diverse tracks (including some pretty left-field stuff); shouldn’t it have to be a list of pop singles to declare it’s “pop’s weirdest year”?
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Monday, 27 June 2022 15:15 (three years ago)
1998, when Boredoms ruled the pop charts
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Monday, 27 June 2022 15:16 (three years ago)
A lot of qualitatively okay songs on the list that I nonetheless never want to hear again.
I was living in Brighton, just stated Uni, at the time, and everything felt-like novelty singles and post-Britpop bloat, with some exceptions (Destiny's Child, that Mono track, Outkast, Cher). I often think, "I'm glad I was finally at the center of a musical movement in my late teens, but why did it have to be fucking Big Beat?"
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 27 June 2022 15:27 (three years ago)
Big Beat was kind of mad though! Not many acts as downright strange as the Lo-Fidelity Allstars have emerged as a major UK chart force since then?
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 15:34 (three years ago)
Obviously as this list is American it needs Savage Garden in there instead
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 15:36 (three years ago)
peoples_pop format is absolutely the opposite of ballot aggregation - everybody who participates gets at least one nomination into the poll, so you end up with literally every participant's taste represented
Sounds like half a good idea to me. Why not give everyone at least one pick, and compile those songs into a playlist? Why bother polling anything? If it's all about loving music and finding new ways to explore?
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Monday, 27 June 2022 15:43 (three years ago)
How are you going to guarantee Twitter participation or a narrative unless there's a shiny little button to click, and horses to back? 'Here's a playlist folks, discuss!' doesn't work
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 15:46 (three years ago)
So the answer is Twitter engagement?
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Monday, 27 June 2022 15:50 (three years ago)
Well, how would you like to get people re-engaging with the music of the past? The peoples_pop polls have completely revitalised my love for finding out about old music (as opposed to new, which I'll always be into) - the current 1966 poll has been full of amazing discoveries
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 15:53 (three years ago)
1998 was probably the first year I fully immersed myself in popular music, by essentially watching nothing but MuchMusic at the time. It does feel a little weird to me that "Everybody (Backstreet's Back)" is considered to be part of 1998, as I tie that song's release chiefly with the fall of 1997.I don't know if I agree with 1998 being pop's weirdest year. I still think that probably goes to 1995 or 1996, when pop music seemed to be in a lot more of a state of flux and not really sure what it was doing. The era when Folk Implosion had a top 40 hit, and music videos by The Presidents of the United States of America and Beck being in heavy rotation seems a lot stranger to me.
― MarkoP, Monday, 27 June 2022 15:59 (three years ago)
Yes, I agree with that… by ’98, it felt like things were settling back into safe, conventional lanes.
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:00 (three years ago)
(Again, talking about actual mtv/top 40, not weird stuff at the margins that exists every year)
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:01 (three years ago)
There might be a UK/US divide here, although that doesn't explain Rob Sheffield, unless he is nominatively determined
― imago, Monday, 27 June 2022 16:03 (three years ago)
Well,it may or may not be the year I've heard the most songs from, but 1998 is def the year where I have the most complete or comprehensive overview of the international pop-adjacent landscape. I was 14 years old so funds were very limited, but I read absolutely everything from cover to cover and constantly interrogated people who were older than me about their favorite music. Whatever I didn't get to actually hear at the time, I went back for as soon as the opportunity to pillage arose.
The problem for me is engaging with current music, honestly. When I think about it, I really do believe it fostered my engagement to be able to have one on one conversations with someone in a record store, someone selling books on the street corner or someone in a band. "Hey, I got $15 and only $15, what do I need the most?" and sort of focus on one or two things at a time.
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:31 (three years ago)
Yeah I honestly have no idea what he's talking about wrt 1998. It seemed more conservative to me than the earlier years of the 90s. For eclecticism, why does it beat 1992, when the US #1s included Boyz II Men, Sir Mix-a-Lot, Eric Clapton, Nirvana, RHCP, Guns n Roses, Mr Big, Genesis, Michael Jackson, Queen, and Arrested Development? Xp
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:35 (three years ago)
idk that stuff (US #1's) felt more like the wallpaper
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:39 (three years ago)
There's a lot of songs from 1997 albums that may or may not have been released as singles in 1998 appearing here. Besides Backstreet there's Hanson, Verve, Spice Girls, Lifter Puller, and Harvey Danger sitting @ #1. There are probably others, those just stood out as seeming older to me and google verified. Maybe the list should've been titled Pop's Weirdest Year and a Half, but even that's debatable.
― BrianB, Monday, 27 June 2022 16:40 (three years ago)
Well if we're talking about pop xp (Cure and Right Said Fred too)
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:41 (three years ago)
For eclecticism, why does it beat 1992, when the US #1s included Boyz II Men, Sir Mix-a-Lot, Eric Clapton, Nirvana, RHCP, Guns n Roses, Mr Big, Genesis, Michael Jackson, Queen, and Arrested Development? Xp
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, June 27, 2022 12:35 PM (e
I'll risk pedantry and say Nirvana, RHCP, GNR, Genesis, Queen and AD didn't hit #1.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:45 (three years ago)
As for the list itself, it's fine. Many of those songs made my own list.
I love this Sheffield line about "Believe": "The best part is when her voice blends into the synthesizer – you can hear how excited the synthesizer is, like it’s spent its whole life waiting for a chance to duet with Cher."
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:46 (three years ago)
Yeah oops those were top 100 singles of the year sorry
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:47 (three years ago)
all good!
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:51 (three years ago)
You know, it's become very clear to me over the last several years that i have absolutely no idea what pop music is.
That said I have a difficult time drawing hard and fast distinctions between chart music and, say, "alternative", especially since so much stuff had one foot in each position, it's all a big game of Twister to me.
Just wondering along what lines you're drawing a distinction. (to Sund4r)
I love this Sheffield line about "Believe": "The best part is when her voice blends into the synthesizer – you can hear how excited the synthesizer is, like it’s spent its whole life waiting for a chance to duet with Cher."― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)
i love this too
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:59 (three years ago)
I remember that Cher line from his original year-end write-up from back in the day (that's recycled in this piece too).
Reading some of the entries and wondering why he keeps referencing 2017 releases to prove an act's "still got it" before looking back at the date of publication, and <doy> it's from 2018.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 27 June 2022 17:23 (three years ago)
https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/ed47aeab-b61a-4606-a899-43b858f94a39_1.91c411d540235cf0102df9d517d4a6f2.jpegPeak 98 Energy, released in October 1998: Pop’s Weirdest Month
― big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 27 June 2022 18:18 (three years ago)
I was really just thinking in the sense of "music that is literally popular, as recognized by charts and sales figures" and trying to consider in terms of the eclecticism and lack of cohesion, or else avant-garde influences, that crossed over to this level. In the write-up, RS seems to be referring to a similar definition, although his list isn't really limited this way. Maybe if you do use a broader definition that includes post-rock, IDM, extreme metal, etc. there is a stronger case for the late 90s. Not sure "Flagpole Sitta" at #1 makes a compelling argument for it though (but it's a fun tune).
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 27 June 2022 18:26 (three years ago)
I see, so it's a question of literal popularity rather than style.
fwiw my understanding had always been that Mogwai or whoever sold a lot of records, but they did so over the course of a year or two rather than a week. Obviously not as many as Rob Thomas, but a lot of records.
So I have difficulty with the question of how popular is popular enough, and then if Mogwai are admissible does it make sense to exclude things that are much closer than they are to a locus of style even if they only pressed up 500 copies of the 7"
it's just really hard
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Monday, 27 June 2022 18:34 (three years ago)
I mean probably most of us would agree that John Zorn's "Music for Children" is not a pop record, but I personally have no idea where to draw the line.
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Monday, 27 June 2022 18:52 (three years ago)
Yeah if someone had a sleeper hit record that ended up on year- or decade-end charts rather than weekly charts I would consider that similarly popular.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 27 June 2022 18:57 (three years ago)
I would use a broader definition if I were teaching a class or working at a conference on popular music but I also wouldn't have discussions about what was the weirdest year ever.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 27 June 2022 19:30 (three years ago)
― imago, Monday, June 27, 2022 5:47 AM (eleven hours ago)
you, of all people, do not have the standing to post shit like this
― mookieproof, Monday, 27 June 2022 21:06 (three years ago)
Closing Time the song of choice for end-of-high-school video montages pre-Time of Your Life. Burned into my brain for better or worse.
Found Torn irredeemable at the time, will have to read his defense. (if I can get past the ads - RS as bad as AMG, yeesh, talk about a browser crasher).
Had no idea that Third Eye Blind had another hit.
Hoping the references to Rolling Stone as a zine in this thread are a subtle Harvey Danger tribute.
― gjoon1, Monday, 27 June 2022 22:26 (three years ago)
Found Torn irredeemable at the time, will have to read his defense.
Don't. I just read it and I'm thinking of canceling my internet now.
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 01:13 (three years ago)
it's def a curious pick for someone trying to make a case for the weirdness of 1998
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 01:20 (three years ago)
You made me read the blurb, and… holy shit
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 01:40 (three years ago)
What is this madness, "Torn" is classic.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 01:43 (three years ago)
But also OK yes, that blurb is irredeemable. The song is very redeemable.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 01:47 (three years ago)
lol these songs are all terrible. you lot are crazy.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 01:52 (three years ago)
“closing time” is good? “make em say ungh”? “truly madly derply”?
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 01:55 (three years ago)
“Metal Detektor” is a great song (his blurb on it is worthless, though)
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 01:55 (three years ago)
Made it to the blurb for “Too Close,” and I think this may really be the worst music writing ever
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 02:02 (three years ago)
"Torn" is a marvel, have reported y'all to The Hague.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 02:13 (three years ago)
I only read the one for "Torn" but yeah, I think we have a winner.
xp
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 02:14 (three years ago)
Almost didn't make it past the first line tbh
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 02:15 (three years ago)
Or the second.
And "Torn" is the single most boring song I've ever heard, bar none.
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 02:16 (three years ago)
Don't know what's offensive about that "Torn" blurb except the use of "utterly" and the lying naked on the floor of history bit. It's not how I write *shrug*
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 02:18 (three years ago)
You can post only if you share your top 10 pop songs of 1998.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 02:21 (three years ago)
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse),
https://www.stereogum.com/category/the-number-ones/?chart_year=1998
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 02:31 (three years ago)
well played, sir
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 02:36 (three years ago)
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),
ok i actually like a few of these songs
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 02:42 (three years ago)
I've been offline all day, but as soon as I saw "Flagpole Sitta" on top, I thought "This is a Sheffield list." I concur!
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 02:50 (three years ago)
Haha I didn't know so many people agreed with me about his writing.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 02:58 (three years ago)
peoples_pop format is absolutely the opposite of ballot aggregation - everybody who participates gets at least one nomination into the poll, so you end up with literally every participant's taste represented. ROB Sheffield is undoubtedly a very learned and broad-minded music fan but he is only one man. I will withdraw 'irrelevant zine' as being overly mean-spirited tho― imago, Monday, June 27, 2022 6:08 AM
― imago, Monday, June 27, 2022 6:08 AM
This is funny, because Rob is regular participant in the twitter polls.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 03:01 (three years ago)
(xpost) You might be kidding--I'm very pro-Sheffield (though I rarely share his enthusiasm for newer pop).
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 03:04 (three years ago)
Oh, I meant the haters above. I figured your comment was admiring.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 03:10 (three years ago)
"Torn" is dentist office bullshit. Lots of garbage in this list + Jennifer Paige "Crush" is missing. What a surprise. I'm guessing Sheffield put "Baby One More Time" in his 99 list.
Bummer ctrl+f for Hum, Cardigans, "Gimme Some More," anything from Mutations. So I gave up.
Although "My Favorite Mistake" is dope and deserves #3 way more than "Torn."
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 03:20 (three years ago)
"A great year for weird stuff" prefaces a list of some of 1998's least-weird music (with apologies to Hanson).
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 03:24 (three years ago)
I like Rob btw.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 03:28 (three years ago)
It's not weird at all but I actually have a soft spot for "Torn" tbh.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 04:02 (three years ago)
Me too
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 04:11 (three years ago)
What does he have against "Iris"?
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 04:28 (three years ago)
His write-up for “Super Shine” isn’t bad, and it is indeed a fantastic track.
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 04:39 (three years ago)
Off this list, for a top 10 I would take Torn, Are You That Somebody? (which is clearly the correct #1) and Celebrity Skin.
I'd add
The Boy Is Mine (Brandi, Monica)You're Still the One (Shania Twain)Beep Me 911 (Missy Elliott)The Way (Fastball)Ciego, Sordumuda (Shakira)This Kiss (Faith Hill)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 05:44 (three years ago)
Yeah, he kind of disses “The Boy Is Mine” in one of the blurbs (I think for a Monica song).
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 05:50 (three years ago)
yep, the terrific “The First Night”
― big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 06:04 (three years ago)
how could this possibly be a list of the best songs of 1998 w the angle abt pop's 'weirdest year' and not have cappadonna - milk the cow
gtfo
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 08:02 (three years ago)
otm
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 08:09 (three years ago)
I had never heard of Flagpole Sitta, but it's the theme from Peep Show(?!) I was always thought the song was by the producer's son or something
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 08:51 (three years ago)
D40, imago, Brad, rest of you knowledgeable haters, pleeease share your awesome top 10s!!
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 09:25 (three years ago)
oh i made a 1998 list around the same time rob published this, unfortunately i only posted it on my facebook which is now deleted forever
i will say that it’s nice to see total “trippin” here, a completely perfect song. i guess this list is making a (not exactly convincing) case for weirdness but a ‘98 list without “swing my way” has a hole in it
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 09:32 (three years ago)
1. Natalie Imbruglia – Torn2. Busta Rhymes – Turn It Up3. Beastie Boys – Intergalactic4. Faith Evans – Love Like This5. Jennifer Paige – Crush6. Brandy and Monica – The Boy is Mine7. Aretha Franklin – A Rose is Still a Rose8. Janet Jackson – Together Again9. Massive Attack – Angel10. Backstreet Boys – Everybody (Backstreet’s Back)11. Fastball – The Way12. Sheryl Crow – My Favorite Mistake13. Spice Girls – Stop14. Tori Amos – Spark15. Green Day – Hitchin’ a Ride16. Hole – Celebrity Skin17. A Tribe Called Quest – Find My Way18. The Verve – The Drugs Don’t Work19. Public Enemy – He Got Game20. Big Pun ft. Joe – Still Not a Player21. Third Eyed Blind – How’s It Gonna Be22. Aaliyah – Are You That Somebody23. Pras ft. Mya and ODB – Ghetto Superstar24. Dwight Yoakam – Things Change25. Lauryn Hill – Doo Wop (That Thing)26. Jay Z – Can I Get A…27. Mariah Carey – My All28. Canibus – Second Round K.O.29. Usher – Nice & Slow30. Garbage – I Think I’m Paranoid
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 09:57 (three years ago)
yeah Crush is so good
would addGeorge Michael - OutsideWamdue Project - King of My Castleand maybe for sentimental reasons MSP - If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next
but that's just from browsing https://www.acclaimedmusic.net/year/1998s.htm how do you all find songs from 1998? in iTunes there was a possibility to sort library for year, but not finding something similar in Spotify
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 10:33 (three years ago)
like, how do you remember that Milk The Cow is from 1998?
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 10:34 (three years ago)
was not familiar with Swing My Way, what a wonderful song
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 10:40 (three years ago)
oh yes well uhm I'd probably also add What Can I Do by The Corrs, it really is a nice song
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 10:42 (three years ago)
although I uhm prefer the ah... unplugged version from 1999
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 10:44 (three years ago)
This list is missing Alice Deejay’s Better off alone and Cardigans’ Erase and Rewind
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 12:30 (three years ago)
That second Garbage album still owns.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 12:47 (three years ago)
Can't think of a more Sheffield-friendly single than "Torn."
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 12:47 (three years ago)
In roughly descending order...
Stardust, "Music Sounds Better With You"OutKast, "Rosa Parks"Janet Jackson, "Together Again"Lauryn Hill, "Ex-Factor" + "Lost Ones"A Tribe Called Quest, "Find My Way"George Michael, "Outside"New Radicals, "You Get What You Give"Pete Heller, "Big Love"Monifah, "Touch It"Faith Evans, "Love Like This"Placebo, "Pure Morning"Deborah Cox, "Nobody's Supposed to Be Here"Beastie Boys, "Intergalactic"Big Punisher feat. Joe, "Still Not a Player"Jay-Z feat. Ja Rule & Amil, "Can I Get a ..."Robbie Williams, "Millennium"
And if I'm to be honest, yes I do love Goo Goo Dolls' "Iris."
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:03 (three years ago)
I would be lying if I didn’t confess that I was in love with “Torn” and “Sweet Surrender” when I was 13
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:11 (three years ago)
One for the 'shockingly old' thread: I only found out last year that 'Torn' is a cover of a Danish pop song.
― ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:25 (three years ago)
Very quick top 25:
Motorpsycho - Vortex SurferSonic Youth - SundayMotorpsycho - Hey, JaneMassive Attack - Inertia CreepsSunny Day Real Estate - PillarsStina Nordenstam - I Dream of JeannieUrusei Yatsura - Hello TigerPlacebo - Every You Every MeNew Radicals - You Get What You GiveThe Smashing Pumpkins - TearTori Amos - SparkI-F - Space Invaders Are Smoking GrassThe Cardigans - Erase/RewindAir - Sexy BoyDustball - Sent ApartBoards of Canada - RoygbivBettie Serveert - RiverFatboy Slim - Right Here, Right NowMelys - Paper, Scissors, Stone22‐Pistepirkko - Onion SoupBrandtson - NinevehArab Strap - New BirdsBeastie Boys - IntergalacticCat Power - Back of Your HeadKnapsack - Arrows to the Action
― ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:26 (three years ago)
Mmm quick pox - limiting myself to songs that were released as singles:
Outkast - SpottieOttieDopalisciousStardust - Music Sounds Better with YouBoards of Canada - RoygbivLow, Transient Waves & Piano Magic - Sleep at the bottomMadonna - Drowned World / Substitute for LoveThe Cardigans - Erase / RewindBlack Box Recorder - Child PsychologyAlice Deejay - Better Off AloneCat Power - Cross Bones StyleMassive Attack - Angel
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:29 (three years ago)
Some favourites that haven't been mentioned yet, scanning through my '1998 in singles' playlist:
Foo Fighters - My HeroDaft Punk - Revolution 909Tricky & PJ Harvey - Broken HomesAll Saints - Under the BridgeSuper Furry Animals - Ice Hockey HairJeff Buckley - Everybody Here Wants YouBran Van 3000 - Drinking in LADeftones - Be Quiet and Drive (Far Away)MJ Cole - SincereThe Olivia Tremor Control - HideawayBinary Finary - 1998The Smashing Pumpkins - PerfectR.E.M. - DaysleeperAir - All I NeedDMX - Slippin'Sonique - Feels So GoodBusta Rhymes - Gimme Some More
Also been looking through everyHit.com for genuinely weird UK chart entries that year and discovered that 'Temper Temper' by Goldie feat. Noel Gallagher got all the way to number 13 (admittedly in traditionally-slow January but still).
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:56 (three years ago)
I like "Feel So Good" but I don't think it broke in America until late '99.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:58 (three years ago)
do ppl really consider "better off alone" a 1998 song? i don't think it charted anywhere until 1999 (or even 2000 in the case of the us)
― dyl, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:01 (three years ago)
Limiting it to singles released in 1998 that were top 40 hits in Canada or the US:
Big Wreck - That Song The Tragically Hip- Fireworks Sloan - Money City ManiacsLoreena McKennit - Mummer's Dance Celine Dion - My Heart Will Go OnGoo Goo Dolls - IrisNatalie Imbruglia- TornFatboy Slim - Rockafella SkankMissy Elliott- Beep Me 911Busta Rhymes - Turn It Up (Remix)/Fire It Up
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:11 (three years ago)
Ope, add "Beep Me 911" to my list too, probably like third from the top.
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:13 (three years ago)
If we're using a definition that includes Sonic Youth, Neutral Milk Hotel and Boards of Canada, though, this would be a completely different list. 1st Pole album wuz robbed.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:14 (three years ago)
sund4r continues to be canadian
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:23 (three years ago)
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:24 (three years ago)
98 singles from 97 releases:1. Deftones "Be Quiet and Drive"2. KP & Envyi "Shorty Swing My Way"3. Third Eye Blind "Losing A Whole Year"4. Busta Rhymes "Dangerous"5. Missy Elliot "Beep Me 911"
98 tracks:1. Hum "If You Are To Bloom"2. The Cardigans "Erase/Rewind"3. Hum "Green to Me"4. Jennifer Paige "Crush"5. Britney Spears "Baby One More Time"6. Sheryl Crow "My Favorite Mistake"7. The Cardigans "Hanging Around"8. Busta Rhymes "Gimme Some More"9. Outkast "Rosa Parks"10. Eagle Eye Cherry "Save Tonight"
Special designation:Cannibal Corpse "Sentenced to Burn"
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:25 (three years ago)
I guess Save Tonight was released 97 charted 98. Whoops!
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:27 (three years ago)
lol Alfred sometimes I wonder if you're trolling me (and doing it spectacularly well)
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:16 (three years ago)
― big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:17 (three years ago)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, June 28, 2022
Esthero omitted tbf
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:17 (three years ago)
Haha not intentional; just ended up that way when I looked for songs that were ubiquitous in my environment that I enjoyed hearing from that time. Alt-rock was a bigger presence on the Canadian the charts than the US ones at that point. The bottom few songs are more innovative than some of the ones higher up but I had to seek them out more. On a 'pop' list, I was favouring stuff that was part of the wallpaper.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:19 (three years ago)
Esthero was more my sister's thing. Don't think she cracked the top 40 though?
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:20 (three years ago)
(shrugs) no idea. Not in the US I'm pretty sure
Songs I heard on the radio in 1998 that made me go 'what the fuck was that?': Eiffel 65, Roy Vedas - "Fragments of Life", "At the River" (mostly because of the Patti Page sample/lyric... what??)
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:23 (three years ago)
Oh?
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:29 (three years ago)
I guess I have a hard time believing anyone could love "Torn" that much!
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:36 (three years ago)
But you're seeing it from other posters on this board!
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:36 (three years ago)
i was just gonna say that, yeah
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:37 (three years ago)
I’m really glad Alfred added notable omission The Boy is Mine, remember buying it with birthday money. Never Ever is 1997 not 1998.Other omissions, hoping for some boxedjoy backup on at least some of these:Ultra Naté - Found a Cure (seriously)Janet Jackson - I Get LonelyThe Cardigans- My Favourite Game (forever classic bc it was featured in Gran Turismo 2 the following year)Teardrop - cos there should never be an excuse for this not to be in here, wtfBootie Call - All Saints. Early teens me thought this was SAUCY.
― Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:41 (three years ago)
Not bothering to scroll up but Torn is great - it was 1997 though, not 1998.
― Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:42 (three years ago)
I wondered if Sometimes was also late 1998, but no, Baby…One More Time was really
Some favourites that haven't been mentioned yet, scanning through my '1998 in singles' playlist:MJ Cole - SincereAir - All I Need
― Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:47 (three years ago)
nobody knew of the eiffel 65 song in 1998 either. like, it had been released, but it sold barely anything and the artists played it in clubs to almost zero response and assumed it was a dud. it didn't actually pick up anywhere until a radio station started playing it in spring '99 (vice's video on the song)
― dyl, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:55 (three years ago)
Oh, so "Torn" was a 97 release. Replace it with "Ghetto Supastar" on my list.
I was going by release dates as opposed to charting year to keep things simple.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:56 (three years ago)
Same - what a beat
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:57 (three years ago)
Yeah Blue is 100% 1999 for me
― Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:01 (three years ago)
the beat (and one of the vocal runs) got sampled numerous times beginning in 2016 with bryson tiller "exchange". pretty much all of the songs that reused it are significantly worse imo
arguably the chorus to megan thee stallion/dua lipa's eh-good-enough-i-guess bass revival "sweetest pie" also rips off the bridge to "swing my way," which had also been reused in a diplo track not too long ago (which my friend played in his car, unaware of the original :( )
― dyl, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:01 (three years ago)
I almost forgot "Diamond Bollocks" which on certain days feels like Beck's greatest song.
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:01 (three years ago)
Seriously though Found A Cure still bangs https://open.spotify.com/track/6AI7SDtav3RqFfM82VhRXP?si=BUhm2OdERMyt5DmPgzhOGw
― Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:02 (three years ago)
it didn't actually pick up anywhere until a radio station started playing it in spring '99
ok, yeah, that sounds right. I had been thinking if there's a case to be made for 1998 as "pop's weirdest year" (ughh) and we're limiting to stuff that was played on top 40 radio, "Blue" would be exhibit A. Guess not.
Alfred, sorry I misread you (and in any case I was nothing but amused).
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:15 (three years ago)
gyac, i like all those songs too (except the ones you're saying are from 1997 which, i mean, in that case "Blue" is 1998 enough)
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:17 (three years ago)
Sorry but a Europe-wide release and being released on some sort of limited basis in Italy only aren’t the same
― Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:22 (three years ago)
other songs from this yr that i'm fond of and haven't seen mentioned yet
2Pac - ChangesAlanis Morissette - UninvitedBrian McKnight - AnytimeElvis Crespo - SuavementeINOJ - Time After TimeJon B - They Don't KnowK-Ci & JoJo - All My LifeLauryn Hill - Can't Take My Eyes Off Of YouSarah McLachlan - AdiaShania Twain - From This Moment OnSWV - RainTamia - So Into You
(either 1997 or '98, depending on whether you prefer year of release or year of impact:)Lathun - Freak It
(either '98 or '99:)Everlast - What It's LikeGoo Goo Dolls - SlideMatchbox 20 - Back 2 GoodSarah McLachlan - AngelSixpence None The Richer - Kiss MeWhitney Houston ft. Faith Evans & Kelly Price - Heartbreak Hotel
― dyl, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:23 (three years ago)
K-Ci & JoJo's "All My Life"'s been popping up in the wild often.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:25 (three years ago)
idk if i would call 1998 a particularly weird year for pop. i feel like '99 and '97 were both weirder
― dyl, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:31 (three years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSwda46cNMg
― fpsa, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:34 (three years ago)
I wouldn't say "weird" but I experienced 1998 as peak cartoon mania multigenre-patchwork sound (typified by Hello Nasty), that was the foreground to me. But looking at Sheffield's list and some of these other ones, I guess it was all one big Gap commercial, wasn't it.
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:58 (three years ago)
(I just mean it looks a lot more drab in retrospect than it felt at the time)
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:07 (three years ago)
It felt oppressively drab to me at the time. Looking back, distanced from saturation airplay, it's much easier to have some affection for this stuff.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:09 (three years ago)
2Pac - ChangesTamia - So Into YouSixpence None The Richer - Kiss Me
very good additions dyl
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:23 (three years ago)
Totally forgot Kiss me was a 1998 song.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:27 (three years ago)
The year felt like a low point to me, as well, as still does in retrospect – despite a few good discoveries here (...I'm not sure that listing "Kiss Me" helps make the opposite case, lol; fine song, though)
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:33 (three years ago)
Yeah, I must have been on another planet. "Oppressively drab" is very much the picture these lists are painting, if nothing else this has shown me how distorted my own perspective was, or how & why I developed a kind of tunnel vision around this time.
I mean this was my favorite track of 1998 by some distance at the time (and we could argue about "pop" or "song", like, if someone wants to insist this is "indie", yeah, you're not mistaken). This track meant the world to me and defined what I thought was happening in the moment... and it has 128 views on youtube lol.
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:43 (three years ago)
I remember when I heard "Millenium" by Robbie Williams I thought it was like the perfect pop song. The bridge on it is fantastic. I don't think I've liked anything else he's done though.
"Intergalactic" was such a huge single for 12 year old me, first time I ever really felt like I "got" a big radio single, and the Beasties immediately became my favorite group. That video fit in so well with whatever aesthetic MTV was going for at the time. Also loved that the guys were "older" (though younger than I am now, lol) and therefore didn't really care about being cool
"The Way" by Fastball I also have really great memories of. It's so cool when a mediocre/generic band can whip up a perfect single like that. I remember my Mom saying "this sounds like the Beatles"
"You Get What You Give" was another obsession - iirc my classmates thought the song was "dumb" which I couldn't understand. It's such a likeable song isn't it? One time my Dad was driving me somewhere and it came on the radio, I remember asking him to turn it up and seeing what he thought and he just said "it's kind of annoying". Really? Well it's held up hasn't it?
1998 was also the year of "One Week" by the Barenaked Ladies which I'm guessing nobody on this board really likes, blew my little mind back then though. So many pop culture references...oooooh how do they do it?? I guess I give 'em some credit for finding the one period in time where something like that could be a huge hit.
Speaking of..."Circles" by Soul Coughing...I heard it once and spent years trying to figure out what the hell it was
I was also way into Fatboy Slim back then - was very amused by how "The Rockefeller Skank" had this breakdown which coalesced into this very loud, very obnoxious noise, like an engine revving up in your bedroom. It's still funny to me when that track comes on in public and all the conversation has to just stop during that section
Crazy to think this was all within a single calendar year. And that "Barbie Girl" was only one year prior
― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:59 (three years ago)
I mean if I’m honest my top 10 songs of 1998 would probably be the Mezzanine album. 13 year old me was obsessed with that one.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:37 (three years ago)
the music industry was about to be completely flipped in a couple of years by napster and mp3 players. 1998 is kind of the soundtrack of the beginning of the end.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:41 (three years ago)
Mezzanine to this day is one of the very few albums I will listen to without skipping. Don’t care how many ads the songs ended up in.
― Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:10 (three years ago)
Ultra Naté - Found a Cure
would take this over the ubiquitous "Free" now, it's like a forgotten disco classic but with beefed-up drums.
I'm surprised at the minimal discussion of Madonna, Garbage and Cardigans in 1998 here - I was 10 in 1998 and only had a dozen albums, all taped from my parents collection or when I loaned them from the library, but I feel like they were the Big Deal albums of the year?
I got really into Saint Etienne at this time thanks to Good Humor which has a perfect single in "Sylvie" on it, but I never actually got to hear the full album until years later.
I'd like to pretend I was a really cool 10-yr-old and was only listening to cool stuff from Daria but there was so much else going on that was painfully uncool that I'm unreasonably fond of still:
Karen Ramirez - Looking For LoveDavid Morales - Needin' UMousse T vs Hot N Juicy - HornyAqua - Doctor JonesBamboo - BamboogieCamisra - Let Me Show You
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:24 (three years ago)
I thought about that Karen Ramirez track too!I was thinking about Closer than Close and wondering if that too was 98, but no, 97. I’m sure it stuck around for ages and ages cos I was definitely still seeing it on mtv in 1998. Supposedly sold 8 million units!
― Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:30 (three years ago)
apparently Rosie Gaines HATES the version of Closer Than Close that was a hit and had to be reluctantly coerced into the follow-up "I Surrender" which follows the same template
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:37 (three years ago)
The Chart Show is dropped from ITV and is replaced with CD:UK, which ran until 2006.
this was a HUGE deal for me. Obviously this was pre-Youtube, so music videos were only something I saw when I went to my cousin's house whose parents were rich enough to have cable TV and The Box (Smash Hits You Control). I love the music video as an artform - I think pop is about performance as much as it is about songcraft, and videos can be a great tool for understanding who an artist is and what they're saying. I love videos like "The Boy Is Mine" where it's all drama and posturing, and I love stories like "Music Sounds Better Than You", and I love things that are just aesthetically interesting like "Let Forever Be" (was that 1998?). So when it got replaced for what was mostly Steps and solo Eternal miming at Ant & Dec it did feel like the spectacle of pop was over for me.
Also, The Chart Show had the specialist charts. That's how I got into dance, rock and indie. And because it was, essentially, the only hour a week I could watch music videos, it was essential viewing. So if I wanted to see eg the new Garbage video, then I was also sitting through a B*Witched hit or a dodgy graphic with the latest speed garage snippets. So I was exposed to all kinds of stuff I wouldn't have naturally found, but was drawn to. Part of it was just having very "indie" parents and wanting to be cool (ugh) but I think it's because of The Chart Show that I found myself being into Bjork when everyone else at school was into Spice Girls.
Anyway 1998 is peak nostalgia for me. I remember it so vividly - it was the last year before I started high school and everything became awful in the way that everything is awful for camp pre-teen boys who prefer pop music to football, but it was the point I was old enough to have my own taste and identity, so I was very passionate about what I was into. My pal has a podcast where he talks about pop music and he asked me to chat about 1998, my five best/worst picks and every UK number one of the year, so if you want to dive deep into what was on uk radio then with some attempts at insight and humour you can play it here.
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:45 (three years ago)
― boxedjoy, martes 28 de junio de 2022
I unironically like all of these. My mind is a bit blown, always assumed that Karen Ramirez song was by Everything but the Girl. It’s been decades since I heard it. Thanks for reminding me about it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:48 (three years ago)
Let Forever Be was 1999. I remember catching the video and thinking it was one of the coolest and weirdest things I'd ever seen. I remember watching a ton of MTV trying to see it again. It didn't occur to me until a few months ago that I could just look it up on YouTube lol
― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:49 (three years ago)
xp its a cover of an EBTG song and I don't think it's an accident how much the cover resembles "Missing"
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:57 (three years ago)
TIL!
Yeah just heard the EBTG song and that’s not the one I remember, it’s the Karen Ramirez one but the melodies are so EBTG that it must have registered as an actual EBTG song in my head.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 21:05 (three years ago)
98-99 for me boxedjoy - watched a lot of MTV during the day for the mainstream stuff, taped songs off the radio etc - and then at weekends when I was a bit older was babysitting and watched a lot of late night MTV music programming, so stuff like Add N to X, Squarepusher (my God, how many times did I see the video for Come on my Selector? Fucking loved that one) and…that weird trance song with the video with teddy bears tripping balls that maybe I imagined? A good mix anyway.
― Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 21:19 (three years ago)
In terms of 1997 songs that bled into 98, thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmGbifOOOlUwas a school disco staple in 1998 and well into 1999, and also the song I had my first shift kiss to in 98, so it is forever associated with it. Apparently it was first released in 1997, though it had a Europe-wide rerelease in 1998. Cringe.Frogs I will not tell you which of your embarrassing choices I agree with but I am here to offer you my solidarity!!
― Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 21:31 (three years ago)
its Robbie Williams I know
― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 21:34 (three years ago)
also, if you've never done it, I can strongly recommend doing the BBC version of "Perfect Day" as a group at karaoke, and seeing everyone try to do their best impressions
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 21:35 (three years ago)
― Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 21:43 (three years ago)
i was going to point to vengaboys "we like to party" as an example of 1999 being easily weirder than '98 but apparently that did originally did come out in '98 (america being behind the curve on european dance novelties as usual)
oh and i also forgot to mention madonna's "frozen" earlier which is an absolutely amazing song. i don't think i knew much about madonna back then as i was just starting to gradually get tuned into pop culture at that time, but the song blew my mind whenever i heard it. it seemed so spooky and mysterious when it'd come on at night as my mom drove me home from a cub scout meeting (lol) or w/e
― dyl, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:20 (three years ago)
AAAAMGLADASPAAAANID WIT'CHOOOOOOO
― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:30 (three years ago)
Ok! so. 1998. year of the vocoder. unlikeliest artist who used one on a track that year? i nominate yummy fur.
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 00:36 (three years ago)
Otm on “Frozen”, I used to find that song so haunting and beautiful. I mean it still is but back then I used to dream of nightclubs that would play music like that all night
“Rat of Light” is the one I remember getting played all the fucking time and I always thought it was cool but I probably like it more now. In an alternate universe that’s a big hit for Rush.
Was surprised to watch VH1 later on and find out about Madonnas 80s stuff :)
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 00:45 (three years ago)
Please don't fix that typo, you've created something beautiful
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:04 (three years ago)
My Top 10 for a couple of year-end polls in '98:
1. "Doo Wop (That Thing)," Lauryn Hill2. "Flagpole Sitta," Harvey Danger3. "Got You (Where I Want You)," the Flys4. "How's It Going to Be," Third Eye Blind5. "Cruel Summer," Ace of Base6. "Fireworks," Tragically Hip7. "Ray of Light," Madonna8. "Too Close," Next9. "Amnesia," Chumbawumba10. "I Know Where It's At," All Saints
Love the top two as much as ever. #3 is forgotten, haven't heard it in years myself. Fine with #4, #5 (the original's better, of course), and #7. #6 was the first Tragically Hip song I ever loved (still do)--mostly I hated them before that. Haven't heard the last three in ages, not sure how they'd hold up.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:19 (three years ago)
In an alternate universe that’s a big hit for Rush.
Weird, I actually remember someone making that comparison in early ILM days. I never really heard it. Maybe I should revisit.
Madonna's "Ray of Light" = Rush
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:25 (three years ago)
I cannot hear that at all, or at least I can't hear past how much I loathe Rush.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:50 (three years ago)
You just have to imagine Geddy Lee singing "faster than the speed of light she's flying..."
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:54 (three years ago)
lol I'm glad I'm not the only one who hears it
idk it's got kind of a proggy vibe to it. long vocal melody that bounces around the scale, somewhat out-of-time guitar riff. plus it's pretty long. and I can see Geddy nailing the vocal
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:54 (three years ago)
lyrics are a bit more Jon Anderson though
A friend comparing "Beautiful Stranger" to CCR, now that I get.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 03:01 (three years ago)
According to Wikipedia, “Ray of Light”
is based on the track "Sepheryn" (1971), by English folk music duo Curtiss Maldoon (consisting of Dave Curtiss and Clive Maldoon. (…) Before the final chorus there is a synth solo again, reminiscent of a 1970s pro-rock record. According to Rikky Rooksby, author of The Complete Guide to the Music of Madonna, this was a link to the origin of the song from "Sepheryn".
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 03:06 (three years ago)
Haha I knew that but had completely forgotten it.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 03:23 (three years ago)
One thing that just came back to me: every other song released in 1998 had a vocoder on it, and yet every single fucking time one of these songs was reviewed the writer made it sound like they'd never heard a vocoder before. 'what is that ka-raaazy contraption?!'
tbf a couple of them were early uses of Auto Tune, but really??
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 06:26 (three years ago)
_was not familiar with Swing My Way, what a wonderful song_Same - what a beat
― big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 07:02 (three years ago)
about a decade ago when i was in the midst of one of my several bass music phases, i happened across a social media posting from envyi (the singer of the duo) basically expressing that she viewed her brief time in the music industry's mainstream negatively and may have even regretted it. i know that feeling like you've been chewed up and spat back out is a pretty common experience in the business but it was still sad to see. i wonder how she felt about her hit (and her vocals) serving as the aesthetic foundation of quite a few hits so many years later, and tho it doesn't appear that either she or k.p. had writing credits on "swing my way," i hope they were able to get some sort of benefit out of it
― dyl, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 16:43 (three years ago)
The Rush -> Ray of Light thing I remember that Pearl Jam (in 1998!) used to make the same observation (and covered it during that time)
https://www.mtv.com/news/1433079/pearl-jam-explains-why-madonna-the-who-and-others-turn-up-in-their-set/(there was an actual interview with them saying that on TV, I remember being re-broadcasted in MTV Brasil at the time)
― fpsa, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:03 (three years ago)
― billstevejim
Love this list
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:58 (three years ago)
what is it about 1998 that makes it so much fun to think about musically
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 18:05 (three years ago)
i have no idea but it’s def the only year of the ‘90s i’ve made retrospective lists for
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 18:06 (three years ago)
Yeah, that's a drag... looks like this single was essentially their only release(?)
Dyl - did you happen to make any (publicly accessible) playlists reflecting your "bass music phases"? Thx
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:11 (three years ago)
hmmm i just checked, it seems all i made was an old itunes playlist that combined mostly prominent songs from mid-/late-90s r&b/bass compilations (so so def bass all stars series, rhythm & quad 166, and then there was bass -- the latter not being on digital services it would seem, + r&q 166 not being on some?) plus a handful of others along that vein, definitely my fav bass style but certainly not everything i like. not a bad playlist but if i'd make one today i would go a little deeper! i would make a youtube version of the playlist to share but then you all would be able to quickly find a clip of me playing a video game posted on my account which would obviously be unacceptable :P
― dyl, Thursday, 30 June 2022 05:19 (three years ago)
The year-end AT40 list for '98, for what it's worth...
1 IRIS GOO GOO DOLLS2 TORN NATALIE IMBRUGLIA3 TRULY MADLY DEEPLY SAVAGE GARDEN4 3A.M. MATCHBOX 205 ALL MY LIFE K-CI & JOJO6 I DON'T WANT TO MISS A THING AEROSMITH7 REAL WORLD MATCHBOX 208 AS LONG AS YOU LOVE ME BACKSTREET BOYS9 YOU'RE STILL THE ONE SHANIA TWAIN10 CRUSH JENNIFER PAIGE11 NEVER EVER ALL SAINTS12 TOO CLOSE NEXT13 TOGETHER AGAIN JANET14 MY HEART WILL GO ON CELINE DION15 SEX AND CANDY MARCY PLAYGROUND16 THE WAY FASTBALL17 UNINVITED ALANIS MORISSETTE18 I'LL BE EDWIN McCAIN19 WALKIN' IN THE SUN SMASH MOUTH20 ONE WEEK BARENAKED LADIES21 I WANT YOU BACK 'N SYNC22 GETTIN' JIGGY WIT IT WILL SMITH23 THE BOY IS MINE BRANDY & MONICA24 SHOW ME LOVE ROBYN25 I'LL NEVER BREAK YOUR HEART BACKSTREET BOYS26 HOW'S IT GOING TO BE THIRD EYE BLIND27 YOU MAKE ME WANNA... USHER28 TEARIN' UP MY HEART 'N SYNC29 CLOSING TIME SEMISONIC30 ANYTIME BRIAN McKNIGHT31 KISS THE RAIN BILLIE MYERS32 JUST THE TWO OF US WILL SMITH33 TUBTHUMPING CHUMBAWAMBA34 FLY SUGAR RAY35 TIME OF YOUR LIFE(GOOD RIDDANCE) GREEN DAY36 EVERYBODY(BACKSTREET'S BACK) BACKSTREET BOYS37 JUMPER THIRD EYE BLIND38 WHEN THE LIGHTS GO OUT FIVE39 FROZEN MADONNA40 ARE YOU THAT SOMEBODY? AALIYAH41 SAVE TONIGHT EAGLE-EYE CHERRY42 THIS KISS FAITH HILL43 MY FAVORITE MISTAKE SHEYL CROW44 THANK U ALANIS MORISSETTE45 I DON'T WANT TO WAIT PAULA COLE46 ADIA SARAH McLACHLAN47 GO DEEP JANET48 KIND AND GENEROUS NATALIE MERCHANT49 DO YOU REALLY WANT ME ROBYN50 HOOCH EVERYTHING51 IF YOU COULD ONLY SEE TONIC52 I DO LISA LOEB53 LULLABY SHAWN MULLINS54 SEMI-CHARMED LIFE THIRD EYE BLIND55 THE MUMMER'S DANCE LOREENA McKENNITT56 PUSH MATCHBOX 2057 JUMP JIVE AN' WAIL BRIAN SETZER ORCHESTRA58 ARE YOU JIMMY RAY? JIMMY RAY59 INSIDE OUT EVE 660 BRICK BEN FOLDS FIVE61 TO THE MOON AND BACK SAVAGE GARDEN62 RAY OF LIGHT MADONNA63 BECAUSE OF YOU 98 DEGREES64 SEARCHIN' MY SOUL VONDA SHEPARD65 LOVE YOU DOWN INOJ66 WISHING I WAS THERE NATALIE IMBRUGLIA67 MY ALL MARIAH CAREY68 MY FATHER'S EYES ERIC CLAPTON69 TO LOVE YOU MORE CELINE DION70 ALL CRIED OUT ALLURE FEATURING 11271 MY WAY USHER72 TIME AFTER TIME INOJ73 THE POWER OF GOOD-BYE MADONNA74 I WILL WAIT HOOTIE & THE BLOWFISH75 NICE AND SLOW USHER76 GHETTO SUPASTAR(THAT IS EHAT YOU ARE) PRAS MICHEL FEAT. OL' DIRTY BASTARD & MYA77 HANDS JEWEL78 NO, NO, NO(PART 2) DESTINY'S CHILD FEATURING WYCLEF JEAN79 CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF YOU BABY SMASH MOUTH80 PINK AEROSMITH81 CRUEL SUMMER ACE OF BASE82 ...BABY ONE MORE TIME BRITNEY SPEARS83 THE FIRST NIGHT MONICA84 ME PAULA COLE85 WHAT WOULD HAPPEN MEREDITH BROOKS86 FROM THIS MOMENT ON SHANIA TWAIN87 TURN BACK TIME AQUA88 BITTER SWEET SYMPHONY THE VERVE89 HEAVEN NU FLAVOR90 I DON'T EVER WANT TO SEE YOU AGAIN UNCLE SAM91 SLIDE GOO GOO DOLLS92 MO MONEY MO PROBLEMS THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G. FEATURING PUFF DADDY & MASE93 SAY IT VOICES OF THEORY94 LIGHT IN YOUR EYES BLESSID UNION95 I WILL BUY YOU A NEW LIFE EVERCLEAR96 TOUCH IT MONIFAH97 HOW DO I LIVE LeANN RIMES98 FLAGPOLE SITTA HARVEY DANGER99 I KNOW WHERE IT'S AR ALL SAINTS100 BACK TO YOU(LIVE) BRYAN ADAMS
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 30 June 2022 13:30 (three years ago)
Matchbox 20's "Real World" arguably the New Jersey of '98 singles.
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 30 June 2022 13:31 (three years ago)
they had two huge singles from their next album tho
― dyl, Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:33 (three years ago)
In the car earlier, I heard "Real World" -> "Cruel Summer", for that hardcore '98 flava
There's something about "Real World" – and its guitar tone specifically – that is so deeply ingrained with the late-90s aesthetic, it's hard to even articulate how much it sounds like 1998 felt (if u know what I mean...)
― “Lawman,” Slick (Grunt) (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 22:24 (three years ago)