Linkin Park: Defend them. I dare you.

Flying whales=I forgive all past sins.

Josh...you're not WORTHY enough to listen to Killing Joke, you gnome!

Well, their guitars are in tune!

You ain't heard shit until you've heard Pete Baran in full Barnet Ape mode drunkenly deliver the chorus late in the evening in an English pub.

at the time the band was called Zero (i think). he gave me a tape and i thought it was a bad 311 rip off. so i thought the band sucked then, and i can't really defend their sound now

but they're nice. so that's defendable

Whatever kudos Chester Whatshisname garners via his pipes are surely rendered moot by (a) the lyrics, (b) the pose, (c) the rapping, (d) they truly juvenile videos, (e) their crap name, (f) their pious "no swearing" rule, (g) their lame album covers, (h) everything else.

Nope. A good voice is a good voice. I've never criticized bad Mariah songs for bad singing (at least, not at the point when she was still singing instead of rasping like a crackhead). I've also never criticized Kelly Clarkson for her voice despite that fucking wretched song.

I thought that was the point!

But Incubus is way better.

And Incubus don't need dramatic flair, obviously, cause they've got Brandon Boyd!

Limp use turntables when they run out of ideas for a part of a song. That's my theory.

This sentence makes me cramp.

I had a hate-on for Incubus after hearing their new stuff (which was all I had heard of theirs at the time) and hearing them claim as influences such groups as Faith No More and Fishbone, and not hearing jack shit of that reflected in their stuff.

Then I went back to their first two albums. Good God! was I missing out! Check out something like "2012 AD" or something, I swear they are a way better band than you would expect having only heard the radio hits.

A song, a band and a singer for whom the blackest, deepest well of contempt is nowhere near enough. I would say that, though. ;-)

"Rollin'", however, is irredeemable bullshit. There aren't enough words in the English to adequately describe how awful this song is. This is not exaggeration; I wish I could exaggerate about how much I hate this song and pretty much everything about it as I could write something that went beyond "Good Lord, I didn't think it was possible for a piece of music to be such irredeemable bullshit."

You'll have to take Dan on as well, though. ;-)

"Rollin" is genius. Each verse references a different white-rap hit. The first references their own "Nookie" (same rap style), the second references Eminem's hits (that background voice that dares to dis Limp Bizkit), the third's shout-outs hit Kid Rock's "Bawitdaba". Totally left me jonesin for another fix of the Limp Bizkit mix. Gorgeously obnoxious, with Fred evidently being so bad-ass all you haters (who he still gives love to, I do too) can't handle his rap-rock fusion.

I guess in the early '60s you'd all be telling me Surfin' Bird is mere pap and I should be listening to Dave Brubeck or some shit.

If Fred Durst had actually been bad-ass in "Rollin'" instead of a limp-dicked, fake-ass, momma-bought-me-this-hoodie-so-I-could-hang-out-with-the-cool-kids, whiney-voiced poser, I'd have fewer problems with the song.

Your analogy doesn't work for me, Nick, since I love that there Yoko person. :-)

So, um, I'll defend Linkin Park in that they at least don't come off as grunting whiney cave-men like Senor Red Cap.

Yeah, my analogy was a little flawed, maybe something more like this?

Limp Bizkit : rap-rock :: Judas : Jesus

(No disrespect to Anthony, who seems like a decent person.)

Oh, and I can easily hate just about any band that likes Weezer. Seeing that Weezer -- well, they don't deserved to be killed, but I like the image of them buried up to their necks in soft peat.

As for Tool, when Maynard made fun o' Fred in that interview last year, it only made me love Mr. Keenan and company all the more.

(No disrespect to Anthony, who seems like a decent person.)

He's a very decent person! One of the best new board members around. :-)

And I totally believe the mad love for Stiller (who gets two, TWO photos in Durst's loving collage of A&R asswipes) and Fugazi (who they totally, beautifully ripped for "Nookie").

Glad to see my tastes aren't alienating everybody. You're all cool, and will soon be jonesing for your fix of the Limp Bizkit mix.

Bless your heart...but no. No indeed. ;-)

And this matters how?

"Also Incubus has the most superfluous DJ I've heard in a rock band."

Soooo, Soooooo, Sooooooooo true!

"'Rollin' is genius."

Soooo, Sooooo, Sooooooo false.

its pretty easy,since those things have nothign to do with their actual musical output. they could say they love all my favorite bands, but until its reflected in their music,it doesnt maean anything. and ben stiller?just because fred durst enjoyed "zoolander" it doesnt mean that his music now has some newfound validity.

I think they are rather jolly and quite appropriate for doing the washing up to. Sometimes one needs some light relief. ;)

and yes litterbox is better than linkin park.

They're all the same color, Stevem, but they're all different shades. Odds are you just don't like that color at all.

B) They are so not better than Incubus...okay, well maybe better than now Incubus, but old school Incubus? psh

but i don't see why LP can't vary their mandate some more - it's all just 'whine whine poor me, don't push me or i'll get mad, then you be sorry' isn't it? i've heard the two albums a few times. i don't mind the music much at all (i esp. like 'It's Goin Down' and the music on 'Nobody's Listening') but the vocals/lyrics really put me off - Chester's screeching and the other guy's rapping style are pretty hard to take. try having some fun sometime guys, or maybe even some REAL pain?

This is not the case, however, in terms of Linkin Park, who remain utterly indefensible. Empty, hollow music.

Seriously, Linkin Park had the best-selling album of 2001. I don't think a band can reach that level of success without anything at all behind it. And I think someone demands a serious critical reappraisal once they get to that level. They get SO much knee-jerk hate; it's ridiculous.

that just fuels the fire for those 'manufactured nu-metal boy band' naysayers tho

i'd find specifics in the lyrics much more appealing than these huge, universal sentiments borrowed from anywhere and everyone else

Doesn't that just get a bit dull....even if you can tolerate the fourth-rate rapping and yawnsome arrangements?

TESTIFY, Brother Stevem!

i'm not sure what 8th grade equals in the UK, but - and i know this is a hackneyed argument but...i think when i was of that age Nirvana and co. were still around and i think you'll agree there is a noticeable difference between their ideas and attitude and that of Linkin Park and their contemporaries today. the latter just seem so homogenised and cliched compared to the stuff coming out of the grunge era (at the time). for some reason we bemoan the fact that most of today's successful metal and heavy alt rock/punk acts do not possess the same 'teen spirit' as their equivalents from '89 - '93. even Green Day sound far less phoney and contrived than their illegitimate spawn Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, All American Rejects yadda yadda. there's also something kinda disappointing about Eminem doing his chainsaw thing at the Milton Keynes bowl and then telling the crowd to 'drive safe' at the end of it. but that's entertainment i guess. not saying i wanna see hideous walking casualties like Cobain or even the Pistols again just so today's youth can basically get a 'realer' deal tho - its something you can neither condone nor condemn (fuck Parsons and Burchill, who constantly cry out for 'new heroes' to provide classic carcrash rock n' roll thrills - despite now being far too old to be caring about such things anymore you'd think). but i think this idea that 'kids need this sort of thing' is a bit of a misconception.

but other kids are listening to Dizzee Rascal (and he listened to Nirvana ;)

this was said by alex in NYC. just wanted to point that out.

MOB: "WE! WANT! TO! KILL! LINKIN! PARK!"

*nickalicious rips off 3-piece suit to reveal form-fitted two-colour outfit-with-matching-cape*

SUPERNICK: "That'll be about enough of that!"

*karate chops trenchcoat kid in neck, spins around and headbutts hipster, shoots laser-beams from eyes, severing a goth's arm, leaving a bloody stump, throws one raver-kid at another, knocking down a horde of backpack hip-hoppers down like bowling pins, and so on and so forth until nothing but a pile of writhing bodies remains*

In all seriousness, have you ever even heard Soundgarden? That statement is so preposterous that it defies all semblance of logic.

Indeed it was. And I'll stand by it.

Linkin Park are nothing. A very wealthy nothing, yes, but there is no "there" there.

"Resurrection Joe"
"Spiritwalker"
"She Sells Sanctuary"
"Rain"
"Wild Flower"
"Love Removal Machine"
"The Witch"

huh? like linkin park doesnt'? (whatever it is they're singing about.)

custos: i like linkin park because they don't really seem to want to hurt anyone or act like it's their prerogative to do so because the world is so fucked up. their angst is much tamer and more run of the mill. which i much prefer.

linkin park = "lincoln" park no? but with the obligatory nu metal misspelling?

yeah, fuck the beatles! fuck the byrds!

Of that list I've heard "She Sells Sanctuary" and "Love Removal Machine." Good songs, though Ian is easily the worst part. The man has no variety in his shrieking, possibly one of the most literally monotonous voices in rock. It's like Mark E. Smith trying to be Steve Perry (you heard his version of "Back Door Man" with the Doors on VH1 Classic? If that ain't proof the guy's a vacuous singer...). With all the faults Linkin Park have (as I said, their greatest hits album will probably be their best purchase since their albums are admittedly repetitive), they CERTAINLY sound more emotional, more heartfelt than Ian Astbury, who not only phones it in, he plastic fantastic lobster telephones it in (which might be his saving grace on the prettier songs). There's a lot of irony in you picking the more creampuff of two bands. I'm sure you'd feel the same if Linkin Park had come out in 1980 and had direct links to the post-punk scene in England.

Your opinion.

......who not only phones it in, he plastic fantastic lobster telephones it in (which might be his saving grace on the prettier songs).

You'll notice I left "Aphrodisiac Jacket" off my list of essential Cult tracks.

There's a lot of irony in you picking the more creampuff of two bands.

I've met Billy Duffy a couple of times. He's a very nice gent, but you might find yourself in a spot of trouble by calling him a creampuff.

I'm sure you'd feel the same if Linkin Park had come out in 1980 and had direct links to the post-punk scene in England.

If they'd have come out in 1980, they'd have had an entirely different set of reference points and influences, which -- in that alternate parallel universe -- may have produced a more tolerable brand of music than the one our Linkin Park is responsible for.

I will defend Linkin Park on occasion, whininess aside, but if it comes down to "TS: Linkin Park vs. The Cult," I know where I stand.

"In the End" is a good song. "Somewhere I Belong," that's a good song too.

"Their lead singer has a decent voice when he actually sings. Also, they have some excellent singles in 'Crawling' and 'In The End'. "

But can you name any others? Most of this latest album sounds like rehash.

What is up with all of Bennington's screaming? A whip-thin guy like that can't have that much pent-up rage.

Utter lack of innovation is nothing to be rewarded.

(xpost)

'Session' - good if you like Rob Dougans and solemn brooding instrumentals...er, never mind

They're Titans of Soulless, Empty Mediocrity.

C'mon, I was saying nice things five posts into the thread! Read back if you don't believe me!

and Mr. Miccio likes ALL THREE 'O DEM!

I don't think Linkin Park are better than Korn and Limp Bizkit (and don't get me wrong....I can't stand Korn and Limp Bizkit). Linkin Park only appropriated those bands' formula, essentially house-breaking it and making it palatable for an audience with more delicate sensibilities than the slackjawed mooks that champion Korn and Limp Bizkit. At the very least, Korn had a fleetingly distinctive style when they first emerged.

Yeah, Ned, I guess you're right. But he didn't seem all that zealous about it. More like, "they're not that bad, the kids like 'em, they have a fun show, etc." But I no longer have the anger towards their medocrity that Alex in NYC has. There are worse bands that are popular right now.

The Deftones are cool, I have to agree.

Considering all the CRAP that is out there in the last few years, Linkin Park is a damn entertaining band.

....really, really depress me. Essentially, that poster is settling for Linkin Park if only because he's written everything else off as "crap", when in truth -- there IS great music out there just waiting to be discovered (as there has always been)....you just have to dig a little deeper and invest a little more time and interest in searching for it....as opposed to dutifully choking down the sonic Soylent Green that is Chester & Co.' shallow, formulaic product.

Hey now, Alex, hold up -- the post was from a guy who presumably randomly googled in (at least I don't recognize his name or handle or anything, maybe he's lurked) and for all we know he's as much of an obsessive over obscure goodness as anyone else here. So it's a bit quick to draw assumptions (and as it is I'm interesting in hearing what other shows he's seen -- from 1978 on, heck for all ya know he was catching the Misfits early on ;-)).

Can't imagine that.

That is a complete and total lie. This is what you get if you search posts from me with the word "Simple Plan" in them.

I'm happy to see Simple Plan get some hate

Simple Plan and Something Corporate seem incapable of not offending me

They don't come off as closet assholes like Simple Plan

The ass munchers in Simple Plan...

Simple Plan and New Found Glory do indeed suck.

Simple Plan's "I'l Do Anything" is indeed ass

So don't ever say that I like Simple Plan again, alright?

This is juat a stupid statement.

If anything, i respect the guy for protecting his ears. That doesn't make Linkin Park any less lame, however.

They blend rock with electronic music, which is more than can be said for The Strokes.

That's all I've got.

Doesn't R Miller wear headphones because he has tinnitus from the first run in MOB?

Relating to the thread question, how about FAINT IS REALLY FUCKING GOOD

He started wearing protective headphones prior to the end of MoB's first run. And yes, because of Tinnitus.

I hope so, anyway.

Well, so has Linkin Park.

True, I suppose, though their best song is still from '01.

BUILD YOUR OWN PROG METAL BAND

"Using these elements we can generate lyrics such as the following:

"I trusted you, fleshy prisoner
Disembodied hatred, I'm spiraling
into your abyss

Mommy! Mommy! Mommy!

Into the dispirited chamber of your mechanized despair
I slip like a whore, slip like a whore
disfigured by your amputated memory

I'm slipping! I'm slipping! I'm slipping!"

Use the screamed chorus for the song title if at all possible. Now pick one of the left over vocabulary words, put the word "the" in front of it and you have an album title ("The Numbness" "The Sickness" "The Disembodied" "The Despair")."

Love me some PSF

Third biggest selling rap act of all time, behind Eminem and Tupac.

http://www.hip-hop.euweb.cz/images/Linkin_Park/linkin_park01.jpg

omg, we had our first lecture in this journalism class today, and the professor opened it by asking us to analyze a linkin park music video

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/diamond/linkin-park-hybrid-theory.htm

This stylus article makes a pretty good case.

the professor opened it by asking us to analyze a linkin park music video

And what were your conclusions? (And what was the video?)

One Step Closer, In The End, and Papercut are some LP tracks I'll rep for, but they're the only ones. They got stuck writing the same song.

i always liked their keyboards and stuff which was a little more explicitly depeche mode than NIN influenced (even though it might just be by mistake)...plus early shit like "one step closer" was sort of loveably bratty and whiney compared to the other nu-metal bands, like their were little kids breaking all their toys because they couldn't have pizza for dinner

I think "Numb" and "In The End" are easily their best songs.

I really like "Shadow of the Day".

"One Step Closer" is pretty great in Rock Band 2.

actually the more i think about it this band was pretty rad

i loved the beardy guy who always wore the headphones

"Shadow of the Day" is pretty great, yeah.

see, those midtempo ballad-y ones are a slog to me, the really fast rockers like "Faint" and "Bleed It Out" are way better IMO

I like them:
- in small doses at least. It's good music if you're pissed off, but their emotional spectrum does not make for a pleasant extended listen. I imagine that people planning a shooting spree would be quite into them
http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/brands/0012/5245/brand.gif
- I liked this logo that they had for a short while
- the video for 'Faint' is pretty fantastic
- I liked a story I heard about Chester's insanely committed stalker, who turned out to be a scientist at a nuclear power plant or something like that
- someday I'm going to do a Collision Course poll. I do wonder how the rapper guy feels when he hears his bits - like I'd feel if I saw footage of me having a kickaround with Lionel Messi, probably

The stalker story.

my nieces like them to bits. that's good enough for me.

best thing from this camp was the green lantern mix of the fort minor album.
lots of high profile samples made it a lot more interesting than the album proper.

http://www.hitzonly.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/tokio-hotel-mtv.jpg

that's one androgynous dude!

'faint' is a great song

xp: he has the androgynous name of "Bill"!

I think "Numb" and "In The End" are easily their best songs.

But Dan, they are the same song!

but it's a good song!

I was listening to Hybrid Theory today and I realized that the album has a whole new layer of meaning if you pretend every song is about the disintegration of Capitalism and America's current economic woes. Take "In the End," for instance: "I've put my trust in you / I pushed as far as it could go / For all this, there's only one thing you should know. / I tried so hard and got so far / But in the end it doesn't even matter."

Or "Points of Authority:" "Forfeit the game / Stop the talk show / Product of what / You're taught to know. /
Forfeit the game / 'cause tomorrow / When it's all done / You reap what you sow." Their refrain, "You live what you learn," clearly admonishing us to abandon our antiquated banking system while we still can and socialize Citibank. Take the lessons we've learned! Live them!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1117/1068021273_cd9f1a8143.jpg?v=1186799158

'I don't want to scream anymore.'

The collection's 15 tracks mark the band's accelerating drift away from its original, hit-making collision of metal and hip-hop to a sound more amorphous, layered and provocative.

...because we all needed another Stadium Arcadium.

"When I was 20 years old, I would have told you 'I hate the Beatles. There is no way I will listen to that,'" added Bennington, whose personal model then was the roaring creep show punk-rock of the Misfits. "Now, I would tell you that I love the Beatles, and I didn't figure it out until I was 27: 'Oh. This is what everybody … talks about.' It was weird. It was like all of a sudden I like broccoli. Now I love broccoli."

okay dude is an ILXor

fess up, Chester!

I had just reopened this thread to quote that exact paragraph.

Clearly the Beatles are not pizza, the Beatles are broccoli.

I misspoke

okay dude is ilxor

fess up, Chester

SHUT UP WHEN IM TALKIN TO YOUUUU

SHUT UUUUUPPPPPP

I'M ABOUT TO BREAK ;_;

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/89/245063794_5ab866053b.jpg

CRAWWWWWWWWWWLINGGGGGGGGGGGGG INNNNNNNNNNNNNNN MYYYYYYYYYYYYY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNN

"in the end" is a great song tho

O_O ;

I really liked that ballad-y single from the last album.

I'M ABOUT TO BREAK ;_;

― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

irlol

Haha: http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/linkin_park_allegedly_called_the_cops_on_sublime_with_rome_for_smoking_mari

i listened to a thousand suns last night, it's still really amazing

hope they haven't lost the plot too hard with the new record but the single is unpromising

...because we all needed another Stadium Arcadium.

lol and i was also thinking last night about how much ned and djp might like it

really good singles band

https://www.resetera.com/threads/linkin-park-announces-return-with-emily-armstrong-as-new-co-vocalist-single-the-emptiness-machine-released-album-from-zero-releasing-november-15.973602/page-19

I've never heard of her but those fans seem upset about her being a scientologist and some court case I was unaware of

I want to cheer for them but tbh their last few releases were pretty boring so can't see anything good coming out of this

gotta say the way this band's reputation seems to have completely turned around is really something. I seem to recall most people thinking they were a joke back in the day. and it's not like they've done anything decent sinec Meteora. similar situation as Weezer. I guess the teens won out.

her being a scientologist and some court case I was unaware of

Research the Danny Masterson rape case before responding quite so glibly.

and it's not like they've done anything decent sinec Meteora

wrong!!!!!!!

no comment on the attempted comeback

did not know the dead sara vocalist was a scientologist tho

I think the fact that she’s a scientologist wouldn’t have been such a big deal if she hadn’t also defended masterson and been part of his support team in court.

xps I wasn't meaning to be glib.

Yeah, I think her involvement in the Masterson case is the bigger concern than her being a Scientologist.

i mean they're pretty interwoven concerns

i really liked "weatherman" and the album it was on

This furore has made me finally check out one of their albums (A Thousand Suns)

it's great wtf

it’s SO GREAT

I'm on my 4th listen

man ... and i thought it was goofy that anyone cared *that much* about the return about Oasis.

this band makes Oasis seem like the Beatles.

counterpoint, I'd rather listen to Linkin Park 7 days out of 7 than feckin Oasis

I even checked out their revoked 2017 album and quite liked it. The level of raw emotion in a Very Pop context is disarming and creates considerable intensity. Then there's the sonic attention to detail and suddenly a bunch of ostensibly corny basic songwriting is rendered transcendent (more on ATS tbf, but as I say, I Did Not Hate OML)

Reviled, not revoked lol, stupid phone

Tried several times to engage with their last album but yeah the bland pop songwriting made it seem very generic. I love the droning hum driving early guitar stuff

I really like the new single even tho it's pretty much a carbon copy of their early hits.
But having as a singer a typical hollywood scenester - with an iffy sc1ent0 background - feels jarring for a band made up of scrawny bullied suburban kids (or at least that's the vibe they have always projected). Hard to relate to her screaming along with Mike S. that she "just wanted to be part of something".

What more part of something would you want than an intergalactic battle for eternity with an ancient alien race?

that's what the video for In the End was about I think