All hail Kayleigh Rose Amstutz, AKA Chappell Roan

she's currently on tour promoting her first album. i saw her for the first time at Heaven in London tonite - holy fuck.

started off with an incredible drag performance by inga rock and someone else whose name i didn't catch. chappell apparently always chooses local drag acts for her openers, which is very cool.

her set got off to kind of a rough start (no fault of hers) - for the first couple songs her vocals were mixed really low. also his girl next to me was singing every single lyric, very shrill and out of tune, directly into my ear

then they turned her vocal up and oh my god. she's everything. she's an absolute superstar and i'm so grateful i got to see her before she really takes off. she's an INCREDIBLE singer and has such a fantastic, warm, confident stage presence. she just seemed to be having so much fun and she had incredible chemistry with her band (aubrey on bass and lucy on drums - both were fantastic)

please do yourselves a favour and listen to this piece of pure american pop magic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePsqyPMIg6I

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Didnt mean for that to look sarcastic I’m just emphatically agreeing .

<3

i’m gonna keep on dancing at the pink pony club

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4WiXKGCJhg

really incredible tiny desk

That was very nice indeed!

"Casual" and "Coffee" are the ones I keep sending to friends. I've heard this in a few other places, but she seems like a great example of someone who grew up with Max Martin 2000s songs and fully leans into that as well ("H.O.T.T.O.G.O." etc)

Got around to the Tiny Desk this morning, sounds great live without all the layers of the studio versions.

knee deep in the passenger seat and you're eating me ouuuuuut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RKqOmSkGgM

pink pony club is an earworm

Coachella set happening at the moment, the audience is crazy and knows every word:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13QtsdFLVG4

Really a fantastic set, and I think it wasn’t a mixing/editing thing but the audience really was so intensely connected to the music. She did great.

I saw her live this past Monday in KC, and the entire audience was exactly like that, intensely singing every word, even for the new song that came out just a few days before. Plus they were dressed in some variation of pink cowboy gear (like, 90% of the crowd was in pink cowboy gear, we didn't get the memo). It sold out one venue, got moved to a larger venue, and sold it out. If that's happening across the country - which I imagine is the case - she's truly on the rise. And deservedly so...

Seems like she just keeps building momentum, just based on from friends and others discovering her in the past months + hearing her in coffee shops all the time.

Thinking how part of the fun of this phenomenon is that the album has been out a long time, so individual songs don't feel like singles but instead have equal presence out there.

She's good but I gotta say, I started listening to this, listened to it a lot for two weeks, then ran out of interest in it and haven't listened to it since. But it's good! Just... not with staying power for me.

Went to see Katie Pruitt last week and she did an acoustic cover of "Casual" that successfully lodged that tune in my head for three days straight.

similar to when this was happening with “espresso,” i think when a song/artist experiences a lot of growth in a short amount of time, spotify is set up to assume this will be of interest to most of their users and therefore it gets recommended liberally https://t.co/76GxtcpWo0 pic.twitter.com/qyRApPrukf

— jaime brooks ☭ (@elite_gz) June 7, 2024

lots of requests for chappell roan at the gay bar lately so i hear

people who use spotify live inside a little spotify created bubble that the rest of us exist outside of, and it distorts their understanding of the world around them. imo

i for one am shocked that spotify is recommending sabrina carpenter and chappell roan to listeners who enjoy pop music

xpost 100%. for an increasing number of people, there is basically no music outside Spotify, imo.

which sucks real bad.

"good luck, babe" is the first thing from her that isn't really annoying

I think people habitually underestimate the power of social media when discussing these phenomena. If you move in any kind of sub-50-yr-old queer-ish circles online it is basically impossible to avoid suffocation under an avalanche of Chappell Roan references. This seemed to start about a month ago.

It's difficult to untangle cause and effect here - did Spotify's algorithmic amplification effect precede or follow the above? Almost certainly they feed on each other. But in an era when traditional music journalism manages less than ever, I think a lot of the void that has left has been filled by people deciding what to check out because of the "conversations" they see happening around them online and a desire to be able to at least understand if not join in.

In this specific case an Australian parody IG page modelled on the Onion published a story a few days ago which both reflects the above and ironically adds to it: "Local Lesbian Has Her Subaru Keys Revoked After Revealing She Doesn't Know Who Chappell Roan Is".

*In an era when traditional music journalism matters less than ever

I would argue that social media and especially vertical content platforms (tiktok, reels) are driving what new acts and artists are breaking now. Spotify is definitely the tail of the dog at this point. Labels compete in digital marketing on those platforms, playlisting is kind of cheugy when you're talking about discovering new acts, lol

In this specific case an Australian parody IG page modelled on the Onion published a story a few days ago which both reflects the above and ironically adds to it: "Local Lesbian Has Her Subaru Keys Revoked After Revealing She Doesn't Know Who Chappell Roan Is".

Meanwhile, Hard Times (the punk-rock Onion) just did "Man To Be Honored at GLAAD Awards for Giving Bisexual Girlfriend a Ride to Chappell Roan Concert."

When Azealia's right...

I dunno, i feel like lots of female artists really wanna do this weird Lolita shit well into their 50/s and she sings like a WOMAN. That’s what i appreciate the most. The truth and reality in her neeeeeed to express. And how cathartic it is.

— Azealia Banks (@CHEAPYXOMIAMI) June 22, 2024

I saw buzz about the album somewhere or other late last year, listened to it and liked it a lot (still do). I was surprised at the time that there wasn't MORE buzz about her, because she seemed pretty buzzable. I think festival season was primed for her, she'd built up a good following and she rocked those shows. Her Bonnaroo set got moved up to the 2nd-biggest stage, probably on the basis of the Coachella buzz plus whatever LiveNation was gleaning from users on the festival app. As with anyone who blows up, I don't think it's any one thing pushing her, it's mostly that she made a good pop album that is in line with the tastes of the moment — smile, Dan Nigro! — and she's spent the last year building audiences on the road. Opening for Olivia Rodrigo no doubt helped.

But yeah, I did just see a Facebook friend in her 40s asking "who the hell is Chappell Roan and am I a bad lesbian for not knowing?"

She's insanely charismatic and her songs are brilliant. Feels like the most deserving Huge Popstar Blowup in a long time.

Her NPR Tiny Desk was my first exposure to her, it’s an incredible performance and I immediately understood why she was a star. Listening to the album after was slightly disappointing - I mean the songs are great, but something about the production didn’t quite click for me. “Good luck, babe!” is excellent though

My wife is a very casual music fan in general, but recently she's been getting kind of obsessed with individual artists, and Chappell Roan is the latest.

(Before that, it was Taylor.)

She talked about this when she was on Fallon, but it's pretty funny that some fan inside Google made it do this in the "Did you mean" line.

https://i.imgur.com/gts393u.png

"some random twink that works at Google" as she put it lol

I haven't paid attention to any pop for the last 20 years, but recently became a taylor swift fan. Then I randomly heard good luck babe and thought it was phenomenal, the album ain't half bad either.

"Good Luck Babe" doesn't have the same kind of charisma as the best tracks on the album in my view

"Good Luck Babe" is quite the earworm, caught me more than "Red Wine Supernova" (which was also good). I should check out the album

maybe 200 20-somethings at the gay bar singing "good luck babe" at the top of their lungs last saturday night.

I'm genuinely surprised y'all embrace her! She's fine. I'm figuring out what about her voice bothers me.

Current 20-somethings were pre-teens when Katy Perry's singles were omnipresent. I feel like Roan's big numbers play into that nostalgia while making the lyrics young-and-single-adult. The album deepens from there with "Coffee" and other non-anthems.

oh my god lol. how can i even describe it. i feel like you either hear it or you don't. there's a sour confidence that offsets the purest of feeling. there's a yelpiness and then grade-a organic midwestern honey. her tone when she's at her most direct, yearning and heartfelt just melts my armor away. carly rae jepsen would kill for this kind of voice. that probably does a disservice to crj. i just mean that crj, her thing, it could have been huge if she had this kind of voice.

there's also an incredibly refreshing honesty in the drive of her heart through the lyrics. (is she writing these songs or does she have help, i genuinely don't know?). like, she isn't dumb, but she knows what she wants and it's l o v e. worldliness is a part of that but it isn't all of it. uncompromising. the feeling when all these kids are singing along to it warms my heart. it's a wholesome moment. you either feel it or you're soulless (j/k ;)).

xp as far as i can tell, at least from the 3 big songs, there's something less cookie cutter about her "american girl" persona than perry. she's like "american girl" post billie eilish or something. the american girl persona just feels more natural somehow. i hope she doesn't succumb to being another katy perry, that would suck.

oh, she's more convincing than Perry.

Thanks, map. I'll give the album another try. I do hear the worldliness.

tbh i didn't really get what the fuss was all about until i heard all of those kids singing it.

i feel like there's also a kind of "fartiness" to the production on the songs, like a brown plastic sound (sorry for the gross metaphor), it seems to communicate that she doesn't want to be seen that she takes herself too seriously. i noticed the same style in the sabrina carpenter songs.

I don't know if this holds water, but thinking again of 20-somethings growing up on Kidz Bop versions of pop songs, with their chintzier production, and playing a bit into that nostalgia (unbridled kid-like singalongs, but also as Azaelia said, songs about being a woman, not a girl).

Oh, well if there's a fartiness to this, I guess I'll go check it out.

Chappell Roan is expected to chart five singles on this week’s Billboard Hot 100 (dated July 6th, 2024), all at new peaks:

#11. (+5) Good Luck, Babe!
#38. (+17) Hot To Go!
#46. (+8) Red Wine Supernova
#66. (+24) Pink Pony Club
#83. (NEW) Casual pic.twitter.com/70qmjvBafv

— Talk of the Charts (@talkofthecharts) June 30, 2024

The production is the only weak point to me, tho its datedness makes it feel kind of relatably affordable or something… the Midwest adopting like an old idea of mainstreamed indie, idk. But she’s a huge talent / persona / force of nature, her star& vision makes the production feel like it’s struggling keep up with her like she just wills these aspiring 2008 Robyn sounds into good-enough canvasses …. Imho

(is she writing these songs or does she have help, i genuinely don't know?)

Album was produced and mostly co-written by Dan Nigro, who performed same duties on Olivia Rodrigo's albums. (And has written with/produced assorted others.)

maybe robyn with the house/dance elements removed? i don’t really hear robyn otherwise, she would never be caught dead using the cheerleader gang vocals that pop up throughout “red wine supernova,” for example. it feels like teenage dream-era katy perry but with smarter lyrics and supreme vocal control

i agree that the production is the weak point, but i appreciate that she doesn’t go fully into camp or 80s nostalgia (“hot to go” and its clear toni basil inspo, notwithstanding). it’s a tricky balance because these songs are clearly massive and arena-ready, but until “good luck babe,” the production has kind of been…humble?

I guess I hear katy Perry on “red wine supernova” but her three biggest records (“good luck babe” “hot to go” “pink pony club”) all feel like late aughts indie efforts at 80s pastiche. Like bat for lashes era shit. “Pink pony club” is very fake Kate bush right, but also kind of “modern” in an mgmt era sense (Which is kind of what I mean about the production feeling more slight than the songwriting and performances).

The album itself has production that’s also kind of all over the place imo like you can id different pop referents but to me the albums spirit is just not something I locate in the production which feels kind of “servicey”

TS: "Pink Pony Club" vs. New Young Pony Club

What immediately came to mind for me was Marina and the Diamonds circa Electra Heart; there's also a theatre-kid quality to what she's doing that scanned more like... Born This Way Gaga than Katy Perry to me. But to be honest I only gave the album a couple of plays when it came out last September, took "Super Graphic..." and ran, so I'd have to revisit it to see if that opinion still holds.

By Robyn I’m thinking of “dancing on my own” era more than “honey” era

She sounds exactly what I would imagine Katy Perry to sound like if she was a member of Gen Z.

The singles are pretty irresistible!

"Casual" is killer. No wonder Katie Pruitt covers it.

katy perry if she could sing and had good songs

"Casual" is also a perfect song if you don't really need a new Taylor Swift song but you don't want to give up that kind of pop.

I thought of Katy Perry in part because I remember hanging out with some friends and their five-year-old daughter in 2010, and the kid sang the "Hot N Cold" chorus nonstop and loved Gaga's "Bad Romance" too; and now that kid is 19 and at Berkeley, and I imagine Roan hitting that balance between nostalgia for being five and being a young woman in college.

i like your kidz bop theory btw.. that's kinda what the production reminds me of most.

bat for lashes era shit

you have a weird sense for what Bat for Lashes sounds like

anyway I tried the album and liked it slightly more than my first attempt to listen to her which, it turns out, was HOT TO GO which I still think is terrible. But the new single is better than anything i heard on the album. I could really do without those horrible cheerleader bvox, it reminds me of the worst parts of Born to Die and Electrheart.

when i first heard her i admired her lyrical candor, how she included things in her songs other artists would be too embarrassed or self-conscious to, and in that respect she brought to mind early kesha for me

I could really do without those horrible cheerleader bvox

otm

you have a weird sense for what Bat for Lashes sounds like

he's right about the late 00s indie pastiching the 80s bit, just not the bat for lashes reference in particular

this thread clearly wants her to be less annoying i see but i dont because she’s having fun and that makes me have fun

i think Good Luck Babe is super fun and I enjoy it. I heard it on the radio (in Mexico City) for the first time this week and had to shazam it which is what led me to giving her a second listen.

i think Good Luck Babe is super fun and I enjoy it. I heard it on the radio (in Mexico City) for the first time this week and had to shazam it which is what led me to giving her a second listen.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, July 3, 2024 9:17 PM

The melodic ascension into the chorus is some serious Robyn/Max Martin "music = math" rowdiness, but the real triumph is the bridge, with those "Call Me Maybe" strings, the extra bite she adds to the vocal before winding it down, then screaming at us like Ani in "The Million You Never Made" as it literally goes off the rails, like when my 3rd-grade neighbor's battery-operated ladybug record player died before finishing side 2 of Pat Benatar's "Crimes of Passion"

*applause*

BABY DO YOU LIKE THIS BEAT?????
I MADE IT SO YOU’D SLEEP WITH MEEEE

he's right about the late 00s indie pastiching the 80s bit, just not the bat for lashes reference in particular

― ufo, Wednesday, July 3, 2024 9:14 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Im thinking of “Daniel” specifically, that sounds exactly like the sound I mean

will preface this by saying I’m completely out of the market these days for teen pop or whatever you might call this, but my fiancée was playing some of her songs in the car the other day and when “pink pony club” came on I had to be like — wait, who is THIS? incredible track, makes me hopeful that there are other artists out there doing kate bush pastiche after that brief buzz “stranger things” seemed to have augured

about halfway through the rest of her stuff and while it’s fine it’s nothing special, as others have mentioned kind of a gen Z theater kid coded katy perry or gaga, not terribly dissimilar to what taylor swift seems to be going for these days I guess

"Pink Pony Club" achieves what "Florida!!!" was aiming for.

yeah I like PPC too, I thought it was going to be massively annoying based on the title alone but it isn't at all. I like the video too.

i am hosting a chappell roan night next saturday

Is it at a club? I've been seeing those types of nights popping up all over in the past few weeks.

yeah

OK this is embarrassing but I'm just gonna say it -- I listened to the album a lot in the runup to seeing her open for Olivia Rodrigo, really liked the songs, really liked her set, but had no idea there was anything queer about her or her music until she started blowing up about a month later

Like that half of her songs are about girl-girl sex?

I could see missing it really. I first read about her as a “lesbian pop princess” or something, so she arrived pre-queer-coded for me.

I knew the songs were about sex, I just didn't register anything about the gender of the other person or people involved!

album was introduced to me as a sort-of concept album about giving up on dating straight men and entering one’s gay era and it is one of the reasons i ended up loving her music a lot yes

same for me, eephus. when she's singing to the other party "you" gives nothing away. probably there are other lyrical clues certainly good luck babe is obvious in hindsight but even then I thought with the "you" she was referring to herself.

it's fine not to pay too much attention to lyrics but yeah they're pretty explicit! have a read at "Naked In Manhattan".

I'm not sure "Red Wine Supernova" or "Super Graphic Ultra Modern Girl" could be more obvious lol

well, yeah.

Yeah I'm notorious for missing the meaning of lyrics but "Red Wine Supernova" basically screams its meaning

finally listened to the whole thing lol. i think it's very good, a few more forgettable tracks but some of the slow songs are among the best ("kaleidoscope," which looks like a sole amstutz credit.)

sole amstutz writing credit tbc

sole amstutz writing credit

Title for the belabored sophomore follow-up

"Chappell Roan says she’s “pumped the brakes” on fame after fans give off “stalker vibes”"

https://www.nme.com/news/music/chappell-roan-says-shes-pumped-the-brakes-on-fame-after-fans-give-off-stalker-vibes-3775922

ITEM soooo a very beautiful young woman friend of ours works in a high-end attelier in new york and she told us that chappell roan came through two weeks ago. after giving 'don't talk to me' vibes CR pulled a bit of a diva card before leaving, saying something like "it's great that you're so friendly, most people don't realize how much money i make" lol.

That sucks but oh I love her. The album is great and she's always fabulous but it was when she performed in what was basically Divine drag that really got me. I think she's fantastic (and hope that story isn't true or at least maybe there was a reason she was an asshole).

yeah it's a second hand story so who knows what was really going on. i imagine the past few months for her especially have been insane.

okay that's pretty mild diva-ness. normalize art heroes being difficult imo.

haha yeah i agree tbh

and not to spin too much out of it but our friend is like scarrrry beautiful, people tend to act weird around her.

Free NY Times link to their story on the challenges of booking Roan when her audience has blown up so quickly.

she's not even headlining her day at Outside Lands in SF and I think that's quickly becoming clear that she should

i mean...second in line behind Sturgill Simpson? in San Francisco? What?

xp interesting article, nice photos. thanks for sharing.

Not just songs from the album, but the crowd sang along with the newer unreleased ones as well ("Subway" being the latest):

Chappell Roan absolutely packs Grant Park at 5pm, the humongous crowd singing songs from The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess at the top of their lungs.
It is electric. And it’s pink. Very pink.#OnAssignment for @BlockClubCHI with @melodymercadotv https://t.co/2BqGjOiz7e pic.twitter.com/hhVxRTfiqr

— Colin Boyle (@colinbphoto) August 1, 2024

help she's in wrestling gear and her drummer is drumming in a wrestling ring... help....

Your group should be her opener.

all my "quick video" feeds (idk what we're supposed to call them) on social media have gone from zero CR content to somewhere around 1/3rd CR content in the past week.

Really good read, this.

https://avidly.lareviewofbooks.org/2024/08/06/a-feminomenology-of-chappell-roan/

that's a nice read. i've played the dancier songs every weekend all summer and last night they sounded better than ever? instant classics.

I was at karaoke on Friday night and someone did "Red Wine Supernova," and the whole room sang along with it, even getting the California King spoken part down just right.

i think "red wine supernova" is probably still my fav, what a rush

Really great Outside Lands performance— I think she’s figured out how to handle the big crowds easy.

yeah that was good, though basically the same as her other festival sets I've seen online recently. she really should have had the headlining slot. also why is the outside lands amazon stream torturing me with shit now and apparently going to skip slowdive?

I suppose if anyone else here has opened a social media site (or even a news site) in the past week they've been innundated with reposts of her begging her psycho fans to leave her the fuck alone. I'm not on twitter or tik tok so have no idea how well that's playing with said psycho fans, but reaction in most places seems to be supportive; on the other hand, it feels like this video is getting more press than anything else she's done. I'm also curious because I hadn't actually heard of any instances of her being harassed or grabbed by people while out in public. It does seem she isn't quite prepared for the level of fame she's reached, which is on her management and the label, I think. It did make me think about ehe report above that she 'wasn't nice' when visiting a store.

There are promotional videos from her label that interview her grandparents and spend a lot of time in her hometown (not to mention the Hot to Go video); I'm surprised those haven't been taken down since that's likely what's leading young weirdos to stalk out her family's home etc.

I find behavior by 'stans' online and in person in recent years really sickening and weird. I honestly don't think if I saw her outside without makeup and an outfit I would even recognize her, she literally looks like any other white woman in her 20's.

it's also, I think, naive of her to think that she could continue to live her life in an anonymous way because I don't think that is true for anyone who achieves even a little fame, and has always been the case. But people really should not be so weird to celebrities.

I think she went from "kinda famous but not instantly recognizable" to "so mega famous can't walk down the street" very quickly.

she went from "barely famous at all" to "so mega famous can't walk down the street" very quickly

It's naive inasmuch as it has to be truly disorienting, and is probably literally unimaginable until you're in it. And so few people comparatively reach that state, quickly or not, that it is hard to appreciate the impact from outside it.

Anyway I’ve watched this performance approximately 7 million times. I think it’s extraordinary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL92xyS0IEM

shazamed a song while at a restaurant the other night and it was 'red wine supernova'. got my ass

i'm kinda curious if 'love tempo' by quando quango would go over well at a chappell roan night. feel like you could almost mix it into 'hot to go' lol

so ... maybe someone closer to this world can tell us ... is Nigro just white hot / untouchable at this point? I can only assume he's the new "it man"? or has he been the "it man" for a while and i just thought it was, like, Jack Antonoff or something, like how i'm still saying "very demure" even though that was over a month ago?

guy seems like he's on a crazy run right now.

do i need to go back and listen to As Tall As Lions???

yes

there's a pretty big difference in the volume of artists that those two producers work with, even though there's other broad similarities between them, that make that comparison feel somewhat ill fitting to me. i also feel like nigro's taste is quite present in his work, or at least he seems to seek out or connect w/ artists who have similar musical inspirations, whereas antonoff's whole thing is more of a rick rubin-esque taking in wayward souls and guiding them thru the process of finding their own inspiration type situation. i think nigro more so has a "sound" whereas the frustrating or interesting or both aspect of antonoff's work is the absence of such a fingerprint

to me nigro exists on some continuum between antonoff and (nigro's former collaborator) ariel rechtshaid

As you do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65m4u4IxZLg

i'm kinda curious if 'love tempo' by quando quango would go over well at a chappell roan night. feel like you could almost mix it into 'hot to go' lol

― flopson, Sunday, August 25, 2024 12:30 AM

This sounds like a fabulous idea.

This feels like one of those “I hope she plays “Hot To Go!”” Memes.

“Girl this is a local DJ night playing Quando Quango”.

this is a good performance but not nearly as good as her doing the same song on Fallon in the spring.

I hope she stays real and weird.

goddamn this woman's got jams

H.O.T. T.O. G.O.OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

"Casual" is a masterpiece of relatable devastation

HTG was my gateway but Casual is my current fave.

my fav right now is the deranged "my kink is karma". i love vamping to it at the club, feigning orgasm to an ex having a meltdown

It's hot when you're going through hell
And you're hating yourself, I'm feeling myself
It's hot when you know that you're caught
And you're getting pissed off, it's getting me off
It's hot, it's hot, oh god, oh god, oh god

htg i never loved that much for whatever reason. literally every song in the album is good to great though.

recently awakened to "naked in manhattan"

touch me baby (touch me touch me touch me touch me!)

could not stop listening to "hot to go!" for the past month bc my life was full of lesbian intrigue... and remains so

Lesbian Intrigue is your side project name, natch.

is the weather in Manhattan nice now? I'd like to be naked there.

oh it’s been SO nice

The Poppa Johns song was my least fave for a while but I’m fully assimilated now. Any good non-album stuff?

sorry but between the whole lack of boundaries thing (which yes I know is not exclusive to her fans) and now this whole "why isn't she endorsing Kamala" thing, does her music emit some kind of frequency that makes her fans especially stupid

no artist deserves a fanbase this illiterate

I think it’s… unsurprising… that a pop star whose appeal seems partly grounded in her relatability to people who spend a lot of time kneedeep in their twitter feeds publicly revelling in their emotional damage and idiosyncrasies would then be vulnerable to a portion of that fanbase imposing their emotional damage and idiosyncrasies back onto her.

not sure this backlash is coming from chapell roan fans so much as fans of being a scold on the internet

no artist deserves a fanbase this illiterate

this is the modern day fanbase of pretty much....everyone now, sadly

the issue is not w/ her fanbase, which has large membership crossovers w/ the stan communities of other pop stars. the difference is that she is willing to tell the truth about the experience of being on the other end of that relationship, and she is apparently willing to engage her fans in a near constant battle over boundaries ... most pop stars do not want to do this

in all the press the eras tour spawned about the magic that is the relationship between taylor swift and her fans, i'm not sure there was ever much unpacking over how her relationship w/ her fans is, actually, insane. i think there is a downstream effect on the chappell roans of the world who are having to contend w/ an environment where the biggest pop star in the world has normalized i.e. having her fans over to her house for brownies. i don't think the generation of current day pop fans responds well when pop stars actually try and establish boundaries (for many reasons of course, the largest of which is certainly not taylor swift, but w/in the sphere of modern music pop stardom in particular i think it's relevant)

it crops up in other areas too. reality TV stars get a TON of terrible fan behavior, judgment onslaughts, etc., without even the resources a typical popstar might use to insulate themselves a little. and it doesn't even matter if 99% of the fans are saying "hey other fans, stop doing creepy stuff," because 1% of five million or twenty million people is an untameable horde of people projecting their fandom and mediated sense of "access" into some terrifying presumptions of intimacy etc. etc.

I also kind of think part of what we're seeing is just an artist becoming really, really famous. saying its about her 'stans' as if the people acting like psychos were all day-ones instead of just a transition from one tier of fame to another, much more exposed one, is mischaracterizing, I think, *why* people are acting so nuts (ie that shes become famous with more people than many of her ostensible peers)

chappell can sing but this does make me appreciate what nancy wilson does on the original a bit more haha

chappell roan’s cover of ‘barracuda’ by heart full performance at ACL ✨ pic.twitter.com/RXqTWoUVqm

— best of chappell roan (@bestofchappell) October 7, 2024

Audience clearly doesn't know the song. Philistines!

not too proud to admit that this edit gave me goosebumps (ignore the stan tweet)

chappell performing pink pony club at a small gay pride event 3 years ago vs now. you did it chappell, you made it. we’re all so proud of you. pic.twitter.com/4mbgyHjkQe

— mel ❦ (@mykinkisroanie) October 15, 2024

same here, but whoever made that should've closed with footage of her on the ACL stage doing the song!

here's this, in case anyone is interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJB7O-vGCA4

Goddamn and once again

(Giving a Ziggy/Ronson moment with the second solo: brilliant.)

Trying that again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il3u_gZy5Z4

It's been confirmed by folks who were there that the call & response part was indeed live and perhaps the first time something like that has been allowed to happen on SNL.

Brilliant. I was half-wondering about that.

Really liked the sound of the second song she did on SNL (I say this as someone mostly indifferent to her musical output thus far (somewhat too theatrical for my taste) but enamoured of the way she’s dealt with her parasocial fanbase and the dogmatic liberals who derided her for not endorsing Kamala). We need more country romps about pegging!

the new song is straight out of shania-ville

it is not about pegging, tho it does involve the strap

only a woman knows how to treat a woman right

i mean i actually take that back as a woman who would have to be pegged in this instance

Everything is about pegging to some degree

https://www.thecut.com/article/chappell-roan-the-giver-song-snl-fem-top-fall.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaiyQ7jJMaI

i've been chappell agnostic at best but that snl performance is really great

Hi I had somehow lost my old Zing app but then it downloaded on my new phone and since Twitter is dead I wandered by for the first time in years.

That new lesbian Shania song is excellent and I desperately need Dan Nigro to lean all the way in re: Mutt Lange production for the studio version.

So this happened...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3CZMn6z0ZI

just wanted to announce I'm all aboard the Roan train, every one of her singles has been a bop to my ears. think I'm going to approach "Hottogo" burnout if I don't pull back, but I love "Good Luck Babe" very much. idk her songs I've heard just give me warb, positive vibes in general. going to dig into deeper cuts now.

*warm

I just listened to her Midwest Princess album for the first time yesterday waiting to board my flight and found myself headbopping along to most of it! Sounded like saucier After Laughter-era Paramore to me.

I listened to Good Luck Babe more than any song this year, according to apple music. like embarrassing numbers of times.

the only one that's worn out its welcome for me is "hot to go!"

anyone want to save me a goog and lmk if the country song has a release date?

i don't believe it does, nor does 'subway', the other new song she was playing live recently.

oh i thought this revive would be about the nardwuar interview which rules

this song is so good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ReWF4VoHX4

I’ve heard the intro to “Ultra Graphic Super Modern Girl” a million times and finally looked it up expecting a pop Marie Davidson and oh no I can see why videos cut it off after 40 seconds.

I can't believe it's 2025 and it's still acceptable to sing a cliche like "it's not over till it's over"

Hat's off, Yogi Berra, you would have loved poptimism

the version of "pink pony club" she did at the grammys is so much better than the studio version

i forget if the journey guitar solo towards the end was in the recorded version but it's a fun element nonetheless

it's on the recorded version

she seems to have shuffled up her band members again. I think the solo last night was pre-recorded though.

she's so fucking great

like i guess i understand the complaints about theater kidness or the chintziness of the production but she's a lesbian who has a really beautiful ear for hooks and honestly i think almost all of her theater kidness is derived from drag instead of high school so it's kind of twisted and wrong in all the right ways

When I think of theatre kids as popstars I think of Lady Gaga, but Roan codes much more as Tori Amos in terms of performance catharsis to me

I increasingly don't get any complaints about "theater kid" performances, especially if the artist is queer. Performing is what we do -- unless we want an authenticity argument again?

Thought her performance was amazing last night and all the more powerful in the context of the LA fires and Trump second coming.

The journey from the Pink Pony Club performance in the Tiny Desk Concert at the top of this thread to the Grammy performance is quite something

feel like there's a broader trend happening towards embracing the artifice of performance again (just last night, doechii, sabrina, chappell). people want to be entertained, not just related to

yeah, Sabrina seemed to be going almost for a 70s variety show vibe, down to drinking out of her golden flask at the table.

I can relate to being entertained.

Sabrina seemed to be going almost for a 70s variety show vibe

I didn't see the Grammys performance, but she did a Christmas special for Netflix that was basically an old-fashioned variety show

she seems to be legit committed to heavily incorporating humor into her work/performances, and she showed it again last night.

just wish she would've tap danced a little longer!

this surge of young female pop stars is really feeling like a golden era. they're all variations of really great, interesting, funny, outspoken, talented, etc., etc., etc. it's awesome.

probably goes without saying, but i'm avoiding work.

I increasingly don't get any complaints about "theater kid" performances, especially if the artist is queer. Performing is what we do -- unless we want an authenticity argument again?

My complaint, which I have made multiple times in multiple ways across multiple threads, is the usage of “theater kid” with white performers tends to be complimentary and the usage of “theater kid” with Black performers tends to to be derogatory.

So, I am consciously and intentionally using “theater kid” in a derogatory sense with Roan until we agree it’s a meaningless critical term and we can get people to flesh out what it is they are reacting against.

theater kid, complimentary: Chappell Roan
theater kid, derogatory: Amanda Palmer

ya i have no stake in this, but good or bad, ap is quintessential "theater kid" energy.

Anne Hathaway is the main figure I've heard tagged with this label.

Nearly every actor was a theater kid. Some just hide it better.

So, I am consciously and intentionally using “theater kid” in a derogatory sense with Roan until we agree it’s a meaningless critical term and we can get people to flesh out what it is they are reacting against.

― my favorite herbs are fennel and Drake (DJP)

I agree with you.

Loved Roan's speech last night, good for her. I figured she had to win that category, it's been a while since there was a breakout star like that.

Also agree about Carpenter's humor, she's funny! You can hear that just in the songs, but her whole stage persona is pretty charming. She reminded me of Goldie Hawn, and then I read that part of her performance was a Goldie Hawn tribute: https://www.instagram.com/p/DFnjC_-pwMj/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Pfft. This…is something else.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/chappell-roan-grammys-speech-misguided-1236128051/

The author’s career won’t surprise you!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Rabhan

Should Chris Blackwell put a mint on her pillow and tuck her in at night, too?

Wow. What a dick.

not important in context, but chris blackwell hasn't been the island records ceo in years, if not a decade

lol, some chappell fans have had fun editing his wikipedia recently

Following Chappell Roan’s searing indictment of the music industry during her acceptance speech at the 67th Annual Grammy Awards on February 2, 2025, music executive Jeff Rabhan rushed to the defense of record labels with a tone-deaf and widely condemned op-ed in The Hollywood Reporter. In a desperate attempt to justify the exploitative business model that has drained artists of their earnings for decades, Rabhan shamelessly dismissed Roan’s concerns about fair wages and healthcare, insisting that labels have “no obligation” to ensure the financial well-being of the artists they profit from.

Rabhan, a relic of an industry built on taking advantage of young talent, peddled the tired narrative that artists should simply be grateful for any opportunity to work under a system that routinely underpays and discards them. His remarks were met with immediate outrage, as musicians and industry professionals called out his blatant disregard for the well-being of those who actually create the music that fuels his paycheck. Critics were quick to highlight Rabhan’s own cushy career—one built on exploiting artists—making his defense of corporate greed all the more revolting.

The response to Rabhan’s op-ed was swift and unforgiving. Artists, fans, and industry insiders tore apart his argument, labeling him as nothing more than a mouthpiece for record executives desperate to maintain their stranglehold on the industry. His name trended for all the wrong reasons, as many called for a complete overhaul of the label system he so fervently defends.

Roan, though she didn’t address Rabhan directly, didn’t need to—her speech had already ignited a larger conversation, one that made it clear that the days of unchecked label exploitation are numbered. Rabhan’s feeble attempt to silence that conversation only confirmed what many have long suspected: the industry’s gatekeepers are more terrified than ever of artists demanding what they deserve.

superb

her speech was... um... fanciful on merit but you have to be a massive dickhead to condemn her for that instead of seeing it as the public surfacing of a conversation that needs to be had at a much more visible level

his argument that artists should pool their advance money to support each other is so evil, what a poisonous person

lots of social media backlash because apparently her team asked a nail tech to do stuff for free with 'exposure' being her payment and she accused CR of hypocrisy. I do have to agree there that it's a bad look, as much as I like CR.

For real, pay your people for god's sake. Her nails are a big part of her public presentation, she oughta be paying top dollar for them.

Hypocrisy is my kink

obviously the federal government should be providing health care not employers

she said "emerging" artists on the grammys, right? maybe i'm wrong. that's what i remember. she didn't say that everybody signed to a label should get healthcare. though that would be nice. she was obviously thinking of those long ago days at the donut shop. anyway, that seems to have been lost on the doofus who wrote for the throbbing industry organ of journalistic excellence that is the hollywood reporter. when i was watching CR on the grammys it did make me feel like labels are stupid to not have more short-term deals with artists that were actually, you know, more attractive to artists/writers and their more immediate needs? not some horrific development deal where they own your soul and the future souls of your future family, but, hey, a salary and benefits for a year or two might look pretty good to a struggling artist and then if the label likes what you are doing you can take it from there and sign your soul away properly for big bucks. i dunno. there must be some labels that aren't evil. maybe. but i also think there should be some 21st century version of United Artists online where artists don't even have to deal with these outdated skeevy music biz jackalopes. something more than bandcamp. though if an artist can do it on their own that is always the best way.

Huh, just catching up on this.

Step one regarding “holding labels accountable” is complete divestment from Spotify; it’s the labels that have allowed Ek to create this hellscape. If labels aren’t willing to do this, they collectively remain a parasitic force on the creative community; not sure why anyone would expect health and dental from them

otm

Was thinking of this chart from last year and how it'll need a new point as very-late adapters adapt after this weekend's combo of Elton & Chappell duet-ing last night and Rick Astley covering the song on TikTok and (for the late-late adapters) Facebook.

similar to when this was happening with “espresso,” i think when a song/artist experiences a lot of growth in a short amount of time, spotify is set up to assume this will be of interest to most of their users and therefore it gets recommended liberally https://t.co/76GxtcpWo0 pic.twitter.com/qyRApPrukf

— jaime brooks ☭ (@elite_gz) June 7, 2024

snl shania song is finally out and is called “the giver”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbHFi68E78k

disappointingly it doesn't include the spoken word "only a woman knows how to treat a woman right" bit

I went to school in podunk East Texas when Shania Twain and Billy Ray were hitting it big. It was the worst thing to my ears. "The Chattahoochee." I have no affection for this sound at all but Chappell does a good job of it, turning it into Shania drag. An album where she tries on different styles could be fun, but I would be skeptical of a full-on country thing.

I love Beyonce but still haven't heard much of Cowboy Carter. Garth Brooks makes me want to chew rocks, I just can't do it.

On first listen, something about the layers of vocals in the chorus keep it from having quite the same singalong/belting quality of her other big songs.

when i was watching CR on the grammys it did make me feel like labels are stupid to not have more short-term deals with artists that were actually, you know, more attractive to artists/writers and their more immediate needs? not some horrific development deal where they own your soul and the future souls of your future family, but, hey, a salary and benefits for a year or two might look pretty good to a struggling artist and then if the label likes what you are doing you can take it from there and sign your soul away properly for big bucks. i dunno.

co-signing this excellent scott seward post a month later. do it, music industry!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ARhsXF9eWQ

I thought this was a new song but it has actually been floating around for a bit. The news is it will get a video tomorrow.

it's a new song but she's been playing it live for a while

Start of it reminds me of Somewhere Only We Know by Keane. But luckily that doesn't continue.

It has a late period Cocteau Twins feel (circa FCC). Not the monster hit that « GL,B! » was but I like it

yeah lovely fake cocteaus song

This is such a big improvement over The Giver. It wouldn't be out of place on the first Hatchie album.

Beautiful song, thanks for the info ufo. Here is that video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woLfAvD5iXI

I feel like this belongs firmly in that Cocteaus-meets-Smiths gauzy jangle-pop lineage of The Sundays (esp. the “Wild Horses” cover), parts of the first Cranberries album, “Kiss Me”, Natalie Imbruglia’s “Wrong Impression” and Taylor’s “August” (and yes Hatchie but only specific moments).

I love that lineage so this works for me

Yup, very good stuff in that vein.

i love this song. she's been playing it for a year? i had an early live version for a chappell party last summer. it blew me away but i'm not sure anyone really recognized it haha. that outro is gorgeous - abba baby. the polished up version isn't that much different thankfully. video looks like a marvel movie or something, all that drama works well for her of course.

fuck this city, i'm moving to saskatchewan 🤠

she's been playing it for a year?

almost two years i think!

not to be that guy or anything. i just remember enthusing about it to crickets lol.

The Subway really popped tonight at the Øya festival, first live since release. Tbf all her songs basically pop as a greatest hit kind of show even though it's just one album.

apparently Chappell Roan is on the BBC iplayer Reading Festival channel at 8pm BST

rest of the reading festival bbc iplayer times (friday) for those interested bc it doesnt actually stream live pic.twitter.com/EpnNIXpfE8

— rin ⁸¹ ☆⋆⁺❤️‍🔥 (@rquii_) August 22, 2025

is she going to the Slimelight Club in London later tonight, she certainly looks ready for a goth night

CHAPPELL ROAN HAS TAKEN THE STAGE AT READING FESTIVAL 2025 DEBUTING A NEW LOOK! pic.twitter.com/jKHLBS4ilq

— chappell roan daily (@dailyroan) August 22, 2025

Wow, debuting a new look? Who could have predicted this

Magnetic Fields getting some new fans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT9MlYb1dXs

That song is basically becoming Merritt's "Seven Nation Army."

peter gabriel covered it too. it's a great song!

the way Chappel sings the very final two lines of this song in that clip is amazing and beautiful

Wow, that is beautiful!

i was once at a backyard concert where the guy had his 13ish-year-old daughter open for his band, she played this song and "Man in the Mirror". This was probably 2013 or so

it is a great song indeed, not a miscarriage of justice is it's what the public remembers of merritt forthe next generation

*IF it's what the public remembers

Great song and great cover

I saw the dad of one of the original Harry Potter actors sing it at a friend's wedding. He did a great job

I went to some synagogue open mic function a couple of years ago, and some old folkie played it in the middle of his set as a duet with his wife. Iirc he said he learned of the song from his daughter, but clearly otherwise had no idea who specifically wrote or sang it. The rest of the set was the usual stuff, Byrds, Bob Dylan, etc.

We had a friend sing it at our wedding in 2005. This Dacus/Roan version is really nice, especially well-sung among the covers of it that I've heard

lmao guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5XR48KLE8I

speaking of Book of Love, I see Olivia Rodrigo is doing it on the upcoming War Child album.

This new 2026 track is very Chappell Roan alike

Cherry Bomb - "Never Be Me (M★therf★cker)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTL7X_tJvBU

it's also very "bad romance" alike

Definitely some bits of the melody lifted straight from Marina & the Diamonds too
It's like an AI-generated combination of stuff I like...

Mandy Lee Declares Her Independence With Cherry Bomb
https://www.papermag.com/mandy-lee-misterwives-cherry-bomb

the vocalist is Mandy Lee of MisterWifes

MisterWifes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MisterWives

xp was thinking primadonna too!

waterlogged by various direct lifts that they had to re-steer midway to avoid infringement.

Banned in Rio!

https://www.mensjournal.com/news/rio-mayor-bans-chappell-roan-from-major-event

I don't have any particular opinion about this story, it sounds like she was maybe a jerk but also the only reason anyone heard about it is that it's some other celebrities' kid. Pop star stiffs nepo baby, whatever I'm sure everyone will survive.

there's story after story like this about her.

yeah ... i love the album and support her right to stand up for herself and speak her mind, obviously, but ... she just seems like she's an asshole.

Eh, she deserves to be off the clock when she's off the clock.

I mean, I agree with that. But she sure does seem like she seeks out opportunities to scold/belittle people, and she seems to enjoy doing so.

lol she was the one gushing about Brigitte Bardot just a month ago

she sure does seem like she seeks out opportunities to scold/belittle people, and she seems to enjoy doing so.

one of this board's favorite examples.

According to Roan she was unaware of the incident and the guard was not part of her security team. Which, if true, would probably mean he worked for hotel. Still, I’m sure her team sets the tone for how hotels/venues deal with these kind of situations.

I don't know how much I would expect an 11-year-old to be entirely accurate in their reporting of why they got into trouble from a security guard. Meanwhile the internet trips over itself to see her #cancelled for enforcing strict boundaries about her personal life a bit too staunchly while men like Chris Brown assault women consequence-free

an 11-year old isn’t a “nepo baby,” it is literally just a child

She is a nepo baby in the sense that she was staying at the same hotel as Chappell Roan, because she and her family are rich. The encounter/non-encounter wouldn't have happened, much less been turned into a national incident in Brazil, except for her very famous stepdad. I'm not blaming her, she's just a kid and sounds like she did nothing wrong. But the entire scenario transpired in a privileged space.

close friend's twin sister served roan at a boutique in manhattan right before she blew up. said she was an asshole fwiw.

xpost The only thing that tells me is that there are a lot of stories we haven’t heard, because they don’t involve Jude Law’s daughter.

She does give off an asshole vibe, which is cool if you want to be Lou Reed maybe, but seems an odd fit for a pop star.

This fiasco is a nothingburger. Jorginho didn't bother to figure out who the guard was but also assumes that even if it was her guy that she's capable of proactively policing everyone's behavior.

Security guards are unfortunately often troublemakers because many of them apply for the job because they can't pass the psych evaluation to be a cop or got fired from being a cop

Also she nonetheless apologized and understood why that aggressive behavior would upset anybody, much less a child

clearly some nepotism at work w/her being there with her parents. of all the qualified 11yo kids out there who could stay with her parents at that hotel, we're supposed to believe they just happened to pick their own daughter?

I suppose this is where reputation comes into play. If this story had been about, say, Sabrina Carpenter it would have felt far-fetched. Yet because it was about Roan it’s like yeah that sounds like her.

who bloody cares, let her scold whomever she pleaes

Anyway let's just have the guard flogged and we'll call it square

"Call me flogged, not pretty..."

an 11-year old isn’t a “nepo baby,” it is literally just a child

otm! fucking insane comments itt about this child

I mean it was just tipsy

She does give off an asshole vibe, which is cool if you want to be Lou Reed maybe, but seems an odd fit for a pop star.

God forbid a diva is a diva

Insane comments like we never would have heard about this if she wasn't a famous person's kid staying at a rich person's hotel? That's literally just describing the situation, it's not a judgment on her personal virtues. Nothing against her — or Chappell Roan either. I only posted it because of the blustery reaction from the Rio mayor. My actual comment was, "I'm sure everyone will survive," which I continue to believe.

so nepo just means "has a famous parent" now right?

i would like to retire the word “diva” and it’s use as an excuse for being a dick. I loved Lou Reed but I won’t excuse his being a huge asshole

Nepo baby = "Has privileges they wouldn't have without a rich/famous parent" I'd say. But ymmv. I said it tongue in cheek, did not anticipate blowback. But maybe that's in keeping with the Chappell Roan thread lol.

No, you can have famous parents, but you’re not a “nepo baby” until you try to go into an industry related to fame. If you do something else with your life you’re just a wealthy person.

Nepo-baby-in-waiting then. Nepotential!

Anyway.

#onethread

Nepoanderthal

I fully admit this is like 87% projection on my part and I don't even know that much about her but she does give me a little bit of a vibe of people I've known IRL who are constantly in the middle of drama that's never "their fault" technically but they sure do manage to find themselves in the middle of it on a regular basis.

I mean she wrote songs called "Red Wine Supernova" and "Naked in Manhattan"

the pearl clutching over this whole situation is just bizarre when...she wasn't doing anything other than eating her breakfast! the scolding security guard wasn't even her own security guard! but it's chappell roan, people are incapable of being normal about her it seems

I suspect posters were bored, it's Sunday

you kinda know she's a star when there are 40 new posts about this here on a weekend.

who are constantly in the middle of drama that's never "their fault" technically

maybe idk. i think she's legit just a big dick with a lot of talent.

the pearl clutching over this whole situation is just bizarre when...she wasn't doing anything other than eating her breakfast! the scolding security guard wasn't even her own security guard! but it's chappell roan, people are incapable of being normal about her it seems

this does not seem to have been clear from the original incident, like it wouldn’t really make sense for a random security guard to get involved

The girl’s mother says the security guard was with Roan and did not work for the hotel.

How would she know?

It's also lol that mayor of Rio said Shakira would never do something like this when many of her ex-employees in recent years have leaked that she's a toxic employer.

Because she saw the guy come over from Roan’s group.

But sure, maybe it’s more plausible that some random off duty security guard came over to tell her she doing a bad job raising her kid

But threatening her that he going to report her daughter to the hotel is probably a sign that he didn’t work for the hotel.

I don't think anyone was suggesting that he was random or off duty, but just not part of her ordinary personal security team. I.e. someone employed locally for her time there.

Well, Roan definitely tried to make it sound like the guy didn’t work for her.

https://theonion.com/chappell-roan-makes-amends-by-kidnapping-11-year-old-fan/

https://www.instagram.com/p/DWU1q51gfCv/

the security guard has weighed in and says he was not employed by roan but was part of someone else's security team. which is very weird but explains most of the other weirdness at least

I'm not convinced she doesn't hate children.

lol very credible statement i believe every word

lol I love how his note makes it sound like some high-intensity intelligence operation that resulted in them identifying the child as a threat that had to be neutralized. Private security guys are nuts.

What a heartfelt statement not written by lawyers or anything.

Private security guys are nuts.

this is the main takeaway from this whole saga regardless of how involved roan is or isn't

This is the dumbest controversy and it gets stupider by the minute.

Basically decide which rich person you believe

Not shocked the mainstream was quick to adopt the cis male's take before anybody bothered to even talk to the LGBTQ+ woman first

Its a sad situation because it involves a 11 year old girl. The adults spin is just madness, didn't read the body gards take and don't care to.

It's sure a lot of ego posturing and acting tough from all sides concerned. An 11yo at a 5 star hotel will not actually be devastated to learn that pop stars and private security guards can be touchy assholes. I'm sure Chappell couldn't care less about the child, and maybe not even that her show was cancelled. The others had a golden opportunity to make a scene, and the internet has something to talk about. Over basically nothing.

And the award for most stupid drama of the year goes to

Her show wasn't canceled, the mayor banned her from ever performing at a festival she's not currently scheduled to perform at

I'm sure some of this is about anger toward America right now.

Actually it’s about ethics in hotel security.

(sorry)

Lmao

I'm sure some of this is about anger toward America right now.

Had a look at some Brazilian comments sections and the people most gung ho about this, unsurprisingly, are Bolsominions.

Getting nervous that her new album is going to be a pitfalls of celebrity kinda thing.

lol i just had the same thought

i mean currently everyone is hyperfocused on her imperfect responses to various things (a fun thing the internet does all the time now) so i wouldn't blame her

i'm sure most of it will be about lesbian desire regardless

yeah she is in a position where there are impossible standards being applied, lots of damned if you do damned if you don't. she's smart and idk just a feeling but she has heart and the seeds of greatness. i'm rooting for her.

So now it was Sabrina’s bodyguard? Even tho SC wasn’t there or even in the country? He just happens to be there? And this story keeps changing every day? And this new detail was held back until now?

I think it’s safe to say whatever actually happened she’s not a nice person and there’s a huge media effort to keep that hidden.

This goes all the way to the top!!!

i had a revelation earlier that her next heelturn should involve her calling an album 'Taylor Swift' or something

Xxxpost or the most likely story is rich soccer player and his wife got it wrong and WHO GIVES A SHIT.jpg

Chappell Roan Backlash Over Security Incident Fueled by Bots: Report https://share.google/E9r7fmXoQ2xkaVv4U

who said it was sabrina carpenter's bodyguard?

https://www.tmz.com/2026/03/26/bodyguard-pascal-duvier-was-working-for-sabrina-carpenter-in-brazil/

It's sad investigative journalism is dead, twenty years ago we'd have our best people getting to the bottom of this.

where is it stated that Carpenter wasn't there?

this is the dumbest shit

I've banned Roan from performing at Maryland Deathfest

When Lollapalooza comes to town there's a lot of security teams.

Maybe Sabrina was wearing a Roan disguise

at least tmz let me know what pascal duvier looks like with his shirt off

lol Neanderthal

how can y'all POSSIBLY still be posting about this

G.O.T.T.O.P.O.S.T.

she’s not a nice person and there’s a huge media effort to keep that hidden.

literally who cares about how nice she is???? why even the remotest shit?????

Lionel Ritchie?

being not nice is not bad ofc. my take on this is that honestly more children should be made to cry for their behavior in public.

You can bottle the tears and sell them to Epstein class

girl ew

I’ll stand up for anyone’s right to not fawn over children. Being “nice” is acculturated.

"Is being nice to children actually bad? It is - but not for the reason you think!"

I just saw Weapons for the first time last night so I feel very invested in being nice to children at the moment

Why the performative bedroom explainer videos? Why the cover up over something so minor, if her brand depends on her not being seen as a shitty person?

In other words, as a major label concoction whose fanbase is mainly children, there seems to be a panicked effort to make sure she isn’t seen to be treating children poorly.

???????!??????

Kayleigh? Is that you?

can literally everyone alive pls touch grass

major majorairbro = Jude Law

Air Control to Major Bro

I’m really excited for all the “she’s got heart, I’m rooting for her” stuff I will be posting here

Some of you think misanthropy is a flex huh

When it’s toward children is a-ok?

Some of you think misanthropy is a flex huh

― hat stays on (gyac), Saturday, March 28, 2026 12:25 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

stan culture…

Not fawning over children is not misanthropy wtf

i’m not even stanning her! i just don’t even give a single shit if she’s mean

Not fawning over children is not misanthropy wtf

No, but affecting automatic disdain and contempt towards them is.

my strongly held belief is that its nice to be nice, yeah thats right i said it

where is it stated that Carpenter wasn't there?

this is the dumbest shit

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), 27 March 2026 21:44 (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Luke 24 iirc

as a misanthrope myself i can sometimes struggle to find the line between being mean/nice to people who don't know how to behave in the manner i would wish in a given context

for those under 12- beyond which age they themselves are fair game imo- it's a matter of finding and being mean to the parents, if available and there isnt a long queue

my strongly held belief is that its nice to be nice, yeah thats right i said it

But it's more important to be important.

*Remove bookmark from this thread*

god, this thread went over the cliff.

"you can't make me be nice to children" is certainly a thing you could post to a message board.

my strongly held belief is that its nice to be nice, yeah thats right i said it

― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Saturday, March 28, 2026 6:06 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is the best take, after i was about to rage out in alpine's defense.

At 11 it's marginal iirc.

oh def

its why being precocious is in fact a risk

Last I checked the only people fantasising that this particular eleven year old was badly behaved were in this thread? CR said she didn’t even notice this girl.

this thread sure is a Rorschach test

was wondering why i thought i saw my parents arguing upthread

Front of t-shirt:
my strongly held belief is that its nice to be nice

Back of t-shirt:
yeah thats right i said it

ok, which one of you is the plant from the talent agency that Roan recently left that's getting paid to trash her rep?

just kidding, although I suspect the bot army crap might be related to that

this is less a comment about the discussion in this thread and more the general reaction to this story & her public persona overall recently but -- when did pop music fans discover a distaste for diva behavior? i think what's particularly interesting/contradictory to me is that this sort of constant chiding of chappell roan for being rude to people rides alongside a pretty robust culture of nostalgia for divas & diva behavior of the past. yet the behavior of the present is policed in a way that enforces norms/boundaries that would invalidate a lot of that nostalgia if it was applied equally. like, if there was a story from 1996 about madonna making a little girl cry in a brazilian hotel it would be considered iconic lore, so what's changed (this question is somewhat rhetorical)

internet

Probably same reason people would no longer celebrate rock stars doing tons of drugs and having sex with young groupie.

ok except there is a difference between rudeness and statutory rape. the fact that you would immediately zoom to that comparison actually feels illustrative here lol

I think in 2026 people are probably just increasingly sick of rich assholes, which is not a comment on how true this story is or not.

Artist trashes hotel room in 70s = bad ass
Artist trashes hotel room in 2020s = people dragging them for not being in therapy

the idea of looking at chappell roan as a rich person is funny to me. i don’t think that’s what is happening here

I don’t actually think most people liked diva behavior anyway, just certain types of fans

yeah madonna if she had made a kid cry in the 80's I think it would have been a big deal

i think maybe another unexplored aspect of this is this, especially considering Trump and his celebrity in all of this

I think in 2026 people are probably just increasingly sick of rich assholes,

so what's changed

well she's a drag queen, not a diva, i think is the answer to your question

yeah madonna if she had made a kid cry in the 80's I think it would have been a big deal

― a (waterface), Monday, March 30, 2026

I cried when "Into the Groove" wasn't officially released as a stand-alone single.

dude same

music can be such a revelation

The internet spent like 7 years talking about how mean Ellen Degeneres was. There seems to be less tolerance for queer female divas.

this thread sure is a Rorschach test

“The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the footballers will look up and shout 'CAN YOU TAKE A PICTURE WITH MY DAUGHTER PLEASE!'...and I'll look down and whisper 'No.”

I think overall we’re in a better place about what behaviors (or crimes) we tolerate, with a reasonable amount of credit to be given to internet discourse

on the other hand, a lot of it seems locked into this mentality that seems a little immature, where cultural figures get flagged for something small and there’s not a sense of scale. “musician being possibly rude to a child” getting the amount of attention that “musician runs over child with their suv” would hypothetically get seems a little off base

I think the younger people who weren’t locked into internet gossip mentality are better about it but I have definitely encountered millennials — although not strictly millennials — who have a mental catalogue of what’s good or bad based on data points. The most tiring category might be “local businesses that are bad because I read someone’s anecdote on reddit/facebook about a rude manager”

yeah madonna if she had made a kid cry in the 80's I think it would have been a big deal

― a (waterface), Monday, March 30, 2026 11:41 AM (fourteen minutes ago)

my point is not whether people would have been mad in the 80s, it's about behavior that is ultimately inconsequential and kind of funny being treated as controversial in the present while at the same time a robust online culture exists to archive, canonize, celebrate such moments of the past

bjork assaulting paparazzi in the 90s was a legitimate controversy at the time but is now viewed w/in the warm glow of nostalgia for meme-able moments of the past as being well inside the bounds of celebrated diva behavior. and yet, we are still apparently supposed to care about chappell roan being rude to photographers on the red carpet. why?

Oh shit - mh's agency-revenge theory (especially given how publicly it happened) definitely makes sense.

the idea of looking at chappell roan as a rich person is funny to me. i don’t think that’s what is happening here

I guess you missed the ancillary clusterfuck about her grandad being a rich insurance guy or whatever

xxpost I'm sure this is partly about the genre Roan is in. She shares a fan base with the Taylor Swift/Arianna Grande class that came out of Disney or Country and cares a lot about positive image. Bjork was an alt artist.

I think in the 90's my main association w/ the Mac would be "Bill Clinton campaign song".

Wrong thread.

the idea of looking at chappell roan as a rich person is funny to me. i don’t think that’s what is happening here

― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, March 30, 2026 11:40 AM bookmarkflaglink

And Jorginho, who kicked this all off, has like three times CR's net worth

fwiw when I tried to actually figure out what the story is here (which I failed at, but tbf I didn't try hard), a lot of it did come across as insane rich people stuff, though mostly from the kid's parents who posted some insanely entitled nonsense

otm. I mean maybe the kid told their parents "I want her to suffer, Don Corleone" but something tells me it was more a case of protective parents with a sphere of influence and notoriety hitting back at the person they think hurt their kid. Who may well be embarrassed at being the center of this story 5 years from now

Can't say for sure my parents wouldn't have taken out an op-ed and made a TV movie about my bully Drew who lived across the street if they had the means, but I'd have resented them for my entire adult life for it. Especially if they didn't get someone cool to play me.

we thinking someone like Kirk Cameron? he's available.