What books about music ARE worth the paper they're printed on?

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So among my Christmas presents are a gift card to Barnes & Noble. While I could spend it on music, I was curious if anyone could recommend any books about music that aren't a shame to the trees that died so that they could be printed.

For what it's worth, the only book about music in my present collection that I'll admit to owning is Chuck Eddy's Stairway to Hell. (Actually, I have copies of both editions. Does anyone want a copy of the first edition?)

j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

do you like 1980's american underground independent college rock? then you will like "our band could be your life" by michael azzerad

Famous Athlete, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

um,

Last Train to Memphis & Careless Love - Peter Guralnick
Lost Highway - Peter Guralnick
Sweet Soul Music - Peter Guralnick
Please Kill Me - Legs McNeil
Our Band Could Be Your Life - Michael Azzerad
Hammer of the Gods - Stephen Davis
The True Adventures of the Rolling Stones - Stanley Booth
Mystery Train - Griel Marcus
Lipstick Traces - Griel Marcus
Invisible Republic - Griel Marcus
The Aesthetics of Rock - Richard Meltzer
A Whore Like the Rest - Richard Meltzer
Psychotic Reactions & Carberetur Dung - Lester Bangs
Hellfire - Nick Tosches
Unsung Heroes of Rock n Roll - Nick Tosches
Country - Nick Tosches
Dino: Living High in the Dirty Business of Dreams - Nick Tosches
whatever the Simon Reynolds book is called this year
More Brilliant than the Sun - Kodwo Eshun
the Caetano Veloso autobio

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)

in the bizarro barnes and noble, they would sell frank kogan's "why music sucks" zine; it's worth more than most music books I've read put together.

also, they would have copies of that book that mark s. is still writing.

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 04:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I've read two recently that were quite good. Repeated Takes by Michael Chanan and Ocean of Sound by David Toop. The first is about the history of recording and the effect it had upon the way we listen to music, and the second was about ambient music.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 04:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Toop's rap book is pretty good too. Also Tosches "Where Dead Voices Gather" is the most revelatory of anything of his I've read but it's all spectacular.

Also the book of rap lists.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

the bloody obvious: Chuck Eddy - "The Accidental Evolution Of Rock'n'Roll"

also:
David Toop's books, all of them

Frederic Dannen - "Hit Men" (by no means, don't be put off by its title; it's an insightful look at pop music's business side of things, but reads more smoothly than yer average Rex Stout)

Greg Tate - "Flyboy In The Buttermilk" (music + much else)

...& there's more good stuff, really

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Julian Cope's Krautrocksampler made me wish I had millions of pounds so I could buy every single damn record he mentioned. His enthusiasm, knowledge and naked passion is incredibly infectious. And the book's a handy pocket-size too. Honestly, go seek.

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

the other toop book "exotica" is also a great read. saying Ocean of Sound is about ambient music undersells it slightly. its more about, um, immersivity (does that word exist?)

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 04:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Julian Cope's Krautrocksampler made me wish I had millions of pounds so I could buy every single damn record he mentioned.
Sadly, this is out of print. If anyone could find me a copy (IN ENGLISH!) I'd be so incredibly grateful.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll second flyboy in the buttermilk.

Lords of Chaos by Michael Moynihan (about Black metal) is not too bad (apart from when he hauls in anthropologists and psychologists etc etc to dissect the phenomenon)

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Sadly, this is out of print. If anyone could find me a copy (IN ENGLISH!) I'd be so incredibly grateful.

Shit, you're kidding. Well, I've got a copy but it's on the other side of the world (from me) at present, otherwise I'd post it off pronto. Isn't there an online version?

Hey, since Copey's Head On was reprinted recently, maybe the Sampler's just around the corner.

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

_Volume: The International Discography of the New Wave_, 1982-83 edition. Invaluable. Also, George Gimarc's _Post Punk Diary_.

Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Nik Cohn's Awopbopaloobop Alopbamboom, the first and best of the lot.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone help me out here...a book written about the history of bootlegging concerts...something like "the Other Recording Industry"?

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 06:08 (twenty-two years ago)

bootleggin'?
Clinton Heylin's "The Great White Wonders: A History Of Rock Bootlegs"

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 06:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Nope, not that.

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 06:15 (twenty-two years ago)

But right author:

Clinton Heylin - Bootleg: the Secret History of the Other Recording Industry

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I've read alot of good music books in the last couple of years...

"Moon" - Tony Fletcher's bio of Keith Moon, one of the best bios!

"White Line Fever" - Lemmy Kilmister's (Moterhead) autobiography.

"A Riot of Our Own" - A Clash Bio written by one of their roadies Johnny Green. He meets them shortly after they come together and stays with them through all the peak years - a great read!

"The Dirt" - autobiography of Motlet Crue (worth reading even if you're not a fan!)

"Life and Def" - autobiography of Russel Simmons (Def Jam/Phat Farm).

"Get in the Van" - A compilation of Henry Rollins' journals from the time he was in Black Flag.

"The Rocker" - Mark Putterford's bio on Phil Lynott (of Thin Lizzy) - again, worth reading even if you're not a fan.

"The Spectacular Rise and Violent Fall of Death Row Records" by Ronin Ro. A look at Suge Knight and Death Row Records - VERY GOOD!

Other people have mentioned "Our Band Could be Your Life", "Lords of Chaos" and "Please kill Me" - I'd also recomend them.


CretanBull (CretanBull), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 06:30 (twenty-two years ago)

mark prenderghast - the ambient century

charlie va (charlie va), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 06:37 (twenty-two years ago)

haha just kidding

charlie va (charlie va), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 06:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Ocean of Sound by David Toop

T. Weiss (Timmy), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes Charlie, WORST BOOK EVER BY ANYONE! I enjoyed the book about Ian Curtis and Joy Division by his widow called _Touching From a Distance_. Also, of course, Simon Reynolds' _Blissed Out_ (if you can find it!). Another vote for Bangs' _Psychotic Reactions and Carburetor Dung_. And why hasn't anyone mentioned the Miles Davis Autobiography!?

Clarke B., Tuesday, 21 January 2003 06:57 (twenty-two years ago)

>_Volume: The International Discography of the New Wave_, 1982-83 edition. Invaluable. Also, George Gimarc's _Post Punk Diary_. <

Is that the one that lists the band that did the "Muchos Gracias / Limelight" 45 as the same "The Pack" that had Kirk Brandon in it? I don't mean to make fun of it; I wish I'd owned a copy, even though the book I'm remembering had been implicated in a little grumpiness experienced sometime in the late 80's by a certain Canadian teenager upon the receipt of a small, flattish package from Germany. Anyone care to guess the square dimensions?

Does anyone remember there was a list-type book published a few years ago, maybe by Spin magazine or something, about "Alternative" groups, that had an entry about X Ray Spex referring to Paul Dean as being the same Paul Dean that played in Loverboy? It's well worth reading for that very reason. Maybe even framing.

tom (other), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 07:04 (twenty-two years ago)

there are nearly a million jazz books that could be mentioned which is why I didn't mention any.

James Blount, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Deep Blues by Robert Palmer - the book to read about blues music, from one of the best writers on the subject (and, if it needs be said, not the british rock singer). traces the evolution of the music from Africa up into the modern electric blues.

Urban Blues by Charles Keil. The original anti-authenticity, non-rockist text. Keil argues that the slick urban music and live productions of the likes of B.B. King and Bobby "Blue" Bland is just as important and valid as the antecedent country blues forms. And how dare white record collectors state otherwise, anyway?

Rock and the Pop Narcotic by Joe Carducci. Learn what it means to be rockist. Great historical section (though some found it pointless).

Highway to Hell : The Life and Times of AC/DC Legend Bon Scott by Clinton Walker. Sympathetic portrayal of Scott. Actually serves as an excellent history and overview of the late 60's / early 70's Australian Pop music scene.

File Under Popular by Chris Cutler. Henry Cow drummer and Recommended records honcho argues for musical advancement through formal innovation. Structural materialist manifesto.

The Freedom Principle by John Litweiler. An excellent guide to all kinds of exciting Jazz music, for those searching for a way in.

The Autobiography of Miles Davis by Miles Davis w/ Quincy Troupe. Motherfucker!

Extended Play: Sounding off from John Cage to Dr. Funkenstein by John Corbett. Good writer with lots of insights on offer. Book is sort of divided into half theory, half journalism (some very entertaining interviews with the likes of Evan Parker and the Ex).

Improvisation by Derek Bailey. Just what the title says! All you ever wanted to know!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

A lot of people think Ian MacDonald's Revolution In The Head (about the Beatles) is a work of staggering genius. I didn't but you might want to see what all the fuss was about if you're interested in that sort of thing.

And who could forget: Philip Larkin's All What Jazz?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 07:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Simon Reynolds - like *duh*. Anything by Greil Marcus should not only be burnt, but its ashes should be sent outerspace. Then again some aliens might inhale those leftovers.... Hmmm. Hammah of zee Gods is sublime and that Muttley Cru bio was in a nauseating way extremely entertaining. (Toop was not able to entertain me all the way true.)

nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 08:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh through. Nevahmind.

nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 08:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Lloyd Bradley - Bass Culture

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 09:50 (twenty-two years ago)

edwin prevost- no sound is innocent.

the sun ra biog.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Paul Morley - Ask

Nik Cohn/Guy Peelaert - Rock Dreams

Fred and Judy Vermorel (ed.) - Starlust

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 11:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Paul Morley's forthcoming history of pop which mentions The Church Of Me ahem.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 12:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Bill Brewsters and Frank Broughton's "Last Night A DJ Saved My Life"

An almost complete history of the dj.

Macattack (Macattack), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Marcello, STOP SPAMMING! ;-)

Macattack, you mean an almost but not quite entertaining book. ;-)

I still have to read Adorno's Music book but I am sure it'll move me (as in: want to throw it against the ceiling).

nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll second last night a dj saved my life,when i read it i didn't know a huge amount about dance music and it was a good introduction
as mentioned,simon reynold's book (energy flash when i read it anyway) is great
i found a book i'd forgotten about in my room the other that's quite good,called seven years of plently by ben thompson
its fairly indie,but he's a very good writer and makes you want to hear what he is talking about,the mark of a good writer...
my favourite music book by far,however,is 45 by bill drummond...

robin (robin), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

'Bubblegum Music is the Naked Truth' is fantastic,also Andrew Loog Oldham's 'Stoned' & Simon Napier Bell's'You Don't Have to Say You Love Me'

Paul R (paul R), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

chanan is disappointing i think: great idea (heh) timidly executed < / rubbishing the opposition>
the problem with c.cutler is his bluddy awful taste in music!!

meltzer's gulcher is actually my favourite meltzer
john cage: silence
tosches: country and unsung rock'n'roll heroes
music grooves: keil and feld
adorno's book on wagner
henry pleasants: the great american popular singers
ben thomps*n's two books (disclaimer: he's a really close friend)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Ocean of Sound, eh? I haven't read the book but I did finally track down the accompanying double-CD at UK half.com. (I'd hate to admit what I paid for it.) Awesome stuff.

I agree with Nathalie about Greil Marcus, although I did like Mystery Train. He's got a lot of people fooled.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

mark-what did he write other than seven years...?

robin (robin), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Agree with James Blount about the Guralnick books. Also add 'Feel Like Going Home' to those.

Another vote for 'Psychotic Reactions and Carburretor Dung' - a very entertaining read.

Craig Werner - 'A Change is Gonna Come: Music, Race and the Soul of America' is excellent.

Charles Shaar Murray - 'Crosstown Traffic' - looks at Hendrix from a variety of angles.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

i find gm interesting and useful = i don't think i can be "fooled" about that

robin: his other book is "ways of hearing"

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Add:

The Recording Angel by Evan Eisenberg (much slept-on book, and sadly OOP)
The Rise and Fall of Popular Music by Donald Clarke (you don't have to agree with him to find it fascinating)
Flowers in the Dustbin by James Miller (ditto)
It Came From Memphis by Robert Gordon (not about music only, but close enough)

Subtract:

Guralnick's non-Elvis books
Marcus' twaddle-laden Basement Tapes book
Toop's twaddle-laden Exotica
Tosches' twaddle-laden Where Dead Voices Gather (and I say that as a huge fan)

I don't see Stranded anywhere. It's a bit dated, but there's some great writing there.

Lee G (Lee G), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Colin Escott's books are all very good, loaded with info. Roadkill on the Three Chord Highway is good esp. for the case Escott makes for Roy Orbison. It's not the first time reading a book made me go out and buy an expensive record, but it's the most gratifying.
Robert Gordon's It Came From Memphis is great too, if you're into weirdos.
All of Meltzer's books are great, but The Night (Alone) is by far the best--but you'll have to dig through the remaindered piles to find it. I got mine for like $4, about 1/1000 of what it's worth, y'know, spiritually. It's not really much about music though. It's mostly about a man and his dick and the love between them.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

On A Cold Road - Dave Bidini
Have Not Been The Same - Barclay, Jack and I forget the other, sorry.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

"This Must Be The Place" by David Bowman (aboot Talking Heads) is one of the ONLY music-books I've really liked.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

The Creation Records Story: My Magpie Eyes Are Hungry for the Prize by David Cavanagh is fascinating, but only if you have any interest in 80s british indie.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

X-Ray, Ray Davies

or better yet, Dogwalker, by Arthur Bradford, it's not about music, but if you like music, you'll like his stories.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

nathalie
[quote]Macattack, you mean an almost but not quite entertaining book. ;-)[/quote]

I take it lists and cronology are not your thing. :)

Macattack (Macattack), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

The Creation Records Story: My Magpie Eyes Are Hungry for the Prize by David Cavanagh is fascinating, but only if you have any interest in 80s british indie.

It's a pretty good social study all around, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

-The Boy Looked at Johnny: the Obituary of Rock and Roll - Julie Burchill and Tony Parsons (if you can find it)
-Our band Could be Your Life
-Please Kill Me
-Last Night a DJ Saved My Life
-Psychotic Reactions and Carb. Dung

these are the 5 I would go with for joyful and informative reading. If you choose to go the Greil Marcus route, God help you. I just never found his writing enjoyable. Informative maybe but nothing to spend a present on. Check those out from the library.

Carey, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Volume: The International Discography of the New Wave, 1982-83 edition - I used to work for the guy who put this out, didn't think it was that hard to find. Is this the one with the pink cover or the one with the blue cover? I think the latter is hard to find, but he's still got copies of the pink one. Go to the Archive of Contemporary Music's record sale in June.

I'd add Val Wilmer's As Serious as Your Life, for starters.

hstencil, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Can anyone recommend a decent book about the glam era? You know, one I won't be embarassaed about having wasted the time on?

TMFTML (TMFTML), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you looking for an overview or anything in particular? The only overview book I know is Hoskyns' Glam.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

That's really all I've seen. Have you read it? (And an overview is what I'm looking for). I know you shouldn't judge a book by, etc., but the civer shot and the trim size reminded me too much of "Hammer of the Gods" to let me pick it up. Any thoughts?

TMFTML (TMFTML), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Read it -- quick, easy read, a bit of a Cliff Notes version of the subject, but handy enough.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

j.lu, I'll trade you something for that 1st edition of that Eddy book, if it's not already gone (may have missed it somewhere in the thread).

I'll second Bidini's On a Cold Road, though it may be of limited interest to those outside Canada. And Meltzer's A Whore... is definitely worth having, especially to see his evolution through the years.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

The Glamour Chase - Maverick life of Billy Mackenzie (Tom Doyle)
Lovingly written, fascinating insight into the dark, troubled mind of a musical genius who died before his time.

Boy George - Take it like a man - one of the, if not THE, finest rock autobiography. His tales of cold turkey with Diana Ross and Marilyn were brilliant....

russ t, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Booth's True Adventures of the Rolling Stones -- A rare find: a music book that's completely engrossing even if the reader has ZERO interest in the subject. Booth is a wonderful writer, a mix of Faulkner and the Beats. Stylistically he's fantastic.

Tosches' Hellfire -- Similar to Booth's Stones book, Hellfire's writing is timeless, coming off like Faulkner and Twain. The way he breaks down Jerry Lee Lewis (God, the devil & dirt) is ingenious.

Meltzer's Gulcher -- His best work. His writing is spectacular, loose but tight and always on the verge of big ideas.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Of the ones not mentioned I'd suggest Ben Thompson's 7 years of plenty and Ways of hearing..

Nik Cohn's Ball the wall, which collects most of his writing from the 60's and 70's.

Brian Eno's A year with swollen appendices.

Bill Drummond's 45, and if you can find it How to have a number one the easy way.

I know he's not particularly hip but Simon Frith's Music for pleasure covers a lot of similar ground to the discussions which regularly reoccur on ILM.

Chris Heath's two books about the Pet Shop Boys are excellent too, especially Pet Shop Boy's versus America, which has some fantastic Pennie Smith photos.

As for (auto)biography. I'd go for Julian Cope's Head on/Repossessed, Tom Doyle's Billy Mackenzie bio The glamour chase and Charles Mingus's Beneath the underdog

And finally try to get Ray Lowry's Ink and It's only rock n' roll. One of the most acerbic and incisive commentators in the business.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

The Glamour Chase

VERY good choice. The more time goes on the more I'm frustrated with Mackenzie's death and his obscurity.

Chris Heath's two books about the Pet Shop Boys are excellent too, especially Pet Shop Boy's versus America, which has some fantastic Pennie Smith photos.

Seconded, thirded and fourthed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Anybody willing to recommend Fargo Rock City now that the hype (huh huh) has kinda died down on its paperback release? I've been kind of eyeing it, seeing as how I used to live mere hours from there and can probably relate to it. Well, except for the fact that rural metal meatheads were the ones that were always threatening my life. Anyhow, what's the final verdict?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Second Beneath the Underdog. A hilarious read, and worth it even if you don't like jazz.

hstencil, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

joe carducci hehe...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Did you ever find that, Julio?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

no I didn't sean. anyone that has a copy and wants a tape of some avant garde rubbish email me.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

There's some really insightful, funny writing in Fargo Rock City, about music and small town life both. I'm somewhat sympathetic to rural metal meatheads these days.

Although he has this strange idea that he's the only rock writer that likes 80s glam metal/non-alternative rock, it bugs the fuck out of me. At least that's the impression I got. But he really knows his stuff!

Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Sound Effects - Simon Frith
White Christmas - Jody Rosen
Sound Tracks - Michael Jarrett

Burr, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

chris and ned are so right.
i've read 'literally' by chris heath 7 times
amd 'versus' about 10. fantastic, but more because
of who they're about than the writing.

oh and by the way chris, ned - if you go here :

http://petshopboys.net/default.html

and click 'literallys',
you can read transcripts and see pictures from every
original chris heath-penned psb 'literally' fan magazine,
from the mid 80's to present. they are all wreitten
in the same style as the books and they are ace.

isn't the internet great ?

piscesboy, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Although he has this strange idea that he's the only rock writer that likes 80s glam metal/non-alternative rock, it bugs the fuck out of me.

Klostermann's regard of himself as the holder of absolute truth grates, on that point and others. In that respect he's cloned the crimes of those indier-than-thou writers he's trying to set himself up against. Which is a pity, because as noted, he's got the right idea and plenty to say. I find the afterword in the new edition to be something that should have been left off, he ends up shooting himself in the foot when he doesn't need to.

isn't the internet great ?

Yay internet!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

internet sucks

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

internet sucks

You forgot, "you pieces of shit."

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

but you remembered, you sweet thing you.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

s: But Beautiful, by Geoff Dyer it's about Jazz
Bright Moments by John Kruth
In the COuntry of Country by some dude

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Second Beneath the Underdog. A hilarious read, and worth it even if you don't like jazz
Reccomended if you love Penhouse forum.

Am I the only person who Likes The Trouser Press Guides??

brg30 (brg30), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

second (or third or fourth, whatever) the Ben Thompsons. also (thanks for reminding me Tom, must dig it out)Starlust: thats a funny/scary book. esp the Barry manilow fans.

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

1. STRAIGHT LIFE by Art Pepper
2. UP AND DOWN WITH THE ROLLING STONES
3. WONDERLAND AVENUE by Danny Sugarman
4. GET IN THE VAN by Henry Rollins

NO TIME FOR SCREAMING, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I second Michael Chanan's Repeated Takes and Nick Tosches's Country. The latter is totally factually unreliable, but it is very entertaining and will point you in the direction of many great things (I was surprised that it's not half as patronizing as its cover or subtitle would suggest, either). It's also pretty cheap in paperback.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Now that I'm home and can look over what the heck I have, Tainted Life by Marc Almond is a great autobiography, Chris Lendt's Kiss and Sell is an insightful and often hilarious look into Kiss from 1977 or to 1988, and Neal Karlen's Babes in Toyland is now essential history from 1992 and 1993.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Is The Ambient Century really so bad? I got it for Christmas a few years back but haven't tacked it yet. Ditto John Cale's What's Welsh For Zen?. Managed to get through Lamacq's Going Deaf For A Living, however, which was, er, mildly diverting.

Charlie (Charlie), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Stairway to Hell!!! Literally changed my life. Hell if I know if it will help you but might.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and Tainted Life heartily seconded, although I left it on the tube before I finished it, bah.

Can't believe nobody's mentioned Jon Savage's England's Dreaming - am I the only person whose whole worldview it changed?

Charlie (Charlie), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 02:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm still mad at it for making me buy a Subway Sect album, sorry.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Give yourself to Vic Godard. He loves you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Vic Godard was like a reverse-gateway discovery for me. I loved Orange Juice, heard that they were inspired by VG and the Slits (and indeed cover one or two VG songs). Picked up VG and the Slits, and was fairly unimpressed (esp. by VG). Then began to wonder what it was I saw in Orange Juice. Who I still like, I guess, but with no great conviction.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Loves me or not, he sure as fuck posed no threat to rock'n'roll despite what his song titles or Jon Savage say to the contrary.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Charlie: yes it's really that bad. Douglas sums it up pretty nicely:

http://12.11.184.13/boston/music/other_stories/documents/00630909.htm

charlie va (charlie va), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

John Cale's autobiog is as dull as dishwater and about as palatable.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Goddamn, that's a great review. thanks for the link, Charlie Va. made my night.

“the rise of Nazism brought out a rebellious spirit in him, as in many others.”

yeah, I heard some French guys started some kind of underground movement around that time.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Zazou, what you gonna do? A knock, on the door, in the night.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Charlie: yes it's really that bad. Douglas sums it up pretty nicely

Fantastic review, cheers! It seems Wolk is irritated by the very same things that'd wind me right up - that is, factual inaccuracy, unattributed generalisation and grammatical chaos - so I think I'll chuck it in the pile marked "sell" as soon as I get home.

Is Cale's tome really as dull as you suggest, ESOJ? It looks so purdy...what's wrong with it? I was looking forward to diving in.

Oh, and Lydon's No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs is a great read.

Charlie (Charlie), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony: if you don't want yr Subway Sect album, can I have it?

Lydon's book is incredibly badly organized and repetitive but still very funny.

Isn't Simon Reynolds supposed to be writing a book about postpunk, or is that just wishful thinking?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:18 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, he is. I'm not sure its a good idea tho'.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

he's finished it. not sure when it's coming out though.

as discussed at saturday's FAP, the ben watson book on derek b remains in limbo.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I assume that's feted improv guitarist derek b and not the old school Brit rapper derek b.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

indeed i refer to mr bailey and not the derek b who was a "bad young brother," ooh, 15 years ago.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Many thanks for the suggestions! I do have or have already read some of the titles you've listed here, but you've given me an impressive reading list. (BTW, I'm amused that no one here has mentioned Dance of Days, about the rise of Dischord Records and Fugazi. That's quite all right, because it's a tedious read, though informative. Fargo Rock City was much better as a portrait of a scene -- I still don't like the music but I appreciate the insight into its fans.)

j.lu, I'll trade you something for that 1st edition of that Eddy book, if it's not already gone (may have missed it somewhere in the thread).

Going...going...gone! To Sean C.! E-mail me.

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

....yep, Marc Almond's 'Tainted Life' is a funny, tragic read.... his story about taking acid before recording the Johnny Carson live chat show in America was terrifying!
I just thought how easy it'd be to sink to the drug depths like he did with all that money and all those hangers-on.

russ t, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah. It would be great, wouldn't it?

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Absolutely!

russ t, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry, Justyn. I actually don't mind the album, so I ain't giving it up. I'm just flabbergasted that Jon Savage would think this shit was at all revolutionary (maybe he did because the titles were so hhheaavy). Especially in a book that so dimisses bands like the Damned.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Screw the 'thoughtful' books - I want some fun, trashy, gossipy stuff. I just finished We got the neutron bomb and The vinyl closet and I read those in one sitting. If anyone has any recommendations along those lines, please let me know.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

"Please Kill Me" is another dirrrty book like that, Kerry. The local record store was saying "Richard Lloyd...I fucked him." for ages after everybody read it.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...

_Volume: The International Discography of the New Wave_, 1982-83 edition. Invaluable
Bill Brewsters and Frank Broughton's "Last Night A DJ Saved My Life"

Jens (brighter), Monday, 28 July 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...
Did anyone mention Simon Napier Bell's book? That is funny, funny, funny.

m.s (m .s), Monday, 18 August 2003 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Black Vinyl, White Powder. He has no respect for overinflated musician egos. It's a great read.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 18 August 2003 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm reading Joachim E. Berendt's "The Jazz Book" right now, it is quite wonderful, the best compendium piece on jazz I've ever read. My copy is a ninth, revised edition from 1982, I'm not sure if there are newer ones.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 18 August 2003 06:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, if anyone wants to see a sample of that Simon Napier Bell book, there's a nice website here that's sort of interactive and has some shocking quotes. I don't remember all this shockingness, I thought he was sweet! What a prudish memory I have. http://www.uim.info/snb/main.htm

m.s (m .s), Monday, 18 August 2003 07:44 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...
I've been reading Faces of Salsa, a collection of interviews, which has turned out to be much more interesting and informative than I had expected. Merengue star, Johnny Ventura was the mayor of Santa Domingo? He didn't just run for office: he was actually the mayor at some point. Cachao, who I rather wrongly had pigeon-holed as being "only" Latin jazz, wrote over 2000 danzones with his brother! Some of these people are superhuman. Also, lots of good information in the changes that have occurred in various styles, and the usual arguments about the weight to be assigned to Cuban vs. Puerto Rican/NuYorican contributions.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"Read it, motheruckers!"

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

[f]

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

ARGH

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, I didn't plug this the first time, but I will now. King Jammy's by Beth Lesser--and not just because I was involved. ANYONE who likes dancehall must read it.

cybele (cybele), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark Anthony Neal is occassionally fucking brilliant. His new book "Songs In The Key Of Life" is slightly hit-and-miss but FINALLY somebody giving r&b the recognition it deserves (even if he is a bit neo-soul for my tastes).

His prior book, "Soul Babies" is also pretty great in the music sections, on occasion. His stuff with R. Kelly is great, Outkast less so, etc. But I have no FUCKING idea what he means when he calls all these different dudes Gramscian, or rather I'm afraid I do have an idea and its a painfully bad one.

But yeah, he's still great.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 4 December 2003 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Also coz he's for the most part solved the question of voice and authenticity pretty well, especially compared to somma his academic counterparts.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 4 December 2003 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm very fond of Chuck Klosterman's Fargo Rock City, but more for the personal/anecdotal stuff and humor than anything else.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 4 December 2003 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I just picked up the copy of City of Musical Memory: Salsa, Records Grooves, and Popular Culture in Cali, Colombia, by Lisa Waxer. I suspect I will be saying more about it. I read an essay by the same author (I think--it must have been) on the way for many years the emphasis in Colombia was on playing salsa records, rather than forming salsa bands and making their own recordings. Apparently they sometimes (intentionally) played records at a faster speeded than they were intended to be played. The essay also discussed the history of salsa clubs and the way it is intertwined with the drug trade and with politics. I assume the book will be a more detailed treatment of the same subjects (with some surprises as well, hopefully).

(Sorry, Ned, but I seem to have latched onto that sentence. It would help if I didn't make any typos though.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Thursday, 4 December 2003 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
any new recommendations, recently published?

moley, Monday, 25 April 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

not so recent but "lexicon devil" is good.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

Ned Sublette's Cuba & Its Music as everyone knows by now.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

That Reynolds bookette isn't too bad.

Derek Kent, Monday, 2 May 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

i thoroughly enjoyed the fun romp that is Crazy from the Heat: David Lee Roth's autobiography. if you already luv Dave-era Van Halen (fuck sam halen/van hagar, etc.) you'll be xxtra psyched on this. he's hilarious & seems surprisingly down-to-earth, almost ...philosophical? (although pretty self-congratulatory, but what did you expect?)

joey b, Monday, 2 May 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

Has anybody read this Miles Davis book (covering only his post-comeback years) that's reviewed in the new Wire? I haven't even gotten the issue yet, but since I talk a lot about the 80s albums in my own Miles book (out in the fall), I'm interested to know who this guy is and what his take is.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 2 May 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...
recently finished "deep blues," and i think it's the first book about blues that i've read that gives a really holistic look at the entire context of how mississippi delta blues developed (socioeconomically, ya know). so good.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know where I read the endorsement of Stanley Booth's True Adventures of the Rolling Stones, but I ordered it off ebay and two thirds through it's fantastic - lyrical, moving, sad, electric, poetic... and I don't even like the Stones.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

yanc3y loves that book. i really need to read it someday.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

True Adventures o' the Stones is fab!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, Deep Blues rules. had a big effect on me. I'd already been a huge fan of the music but the book really helped it all make sense. I think I recall Amateurist disliked it for some reason. Urban Blues by Keil is a good companion piece, if yr looking for a follow-up..

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

A few that haven't been mentioned...

- "The Worst Rock 'n' Roll Records of All Time," Jimmy Guterman & Owen O'Donnell (at age 17, my introduction to how much fun rock criticism could be...)
- "A Cure For Gravity: A Musical Pilgrimage," Joe Jackson
- "Killing Bono," Neil McCormick
- "Cheese Chronicles: The True Story Of A Rock 'n' Roll Band You Never Heard Of," Tommy Womack
- "The Nearest Faraway Place," Timothy White

John Fredland (jfredland), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

"The Manual : how to have a number one the easy way" by the KLF

We guarantee that we will refund the complete price of this manual if you are unbale ot achieve a number one single in th eofficial (Gallup) U.K. charts within three months of th epurchase of this manual and on condition that you have fulfilled our instructions to the letter"

OOP so yay WWW
http://www.tomrobinson.com/work/klf.htm

blunt (blunt), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

Beneath the Underdog - Charles Mingus

and I second (third?) Have gun Will Travel and Hit Men. Moguls and Madmen is a fun read in spots.

Uncle Tom (Uncle Tom), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

Al Kooper "Backstage Passes and Backstabbing Bastards" is loads of fun. May be out of print at present.

SoHoLa (SoHoLa), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 05:54 (nineteen years ago)

Rock She Wrote is a good collection of women's music crit pieces. Hadn't seen it mentioned on this thread but I like it very much.

sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 06:11 (nineteen years ago)

anybody read that new book "On Michael Jackson" they're discussing this week on Slate?

Josh Love (screamapillar), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 08:01 (nineteen years ago)

that 'french connections' book is only useful for the info in it; the editing is sub-highschool-newspaper unfortunately. not much of a read

nervous (cochere), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 08:14 (nineteen years ago)

"The Manual : how to have a number one the easy way" by the KLF

OOP so yay WWW

Bullshit, fuck Tom Robinson.

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'll vote for Greil Marcus' Invisible Republic and Lipstick Traces, for being books that make you look at things in a new way. Of cour4se, that applies to many books when you're a teenager, but few at my advanced decrepitude. Have only read 2 books by musicians that were actually a joy to read: X-Ray by Ray Davies and Chronicles by Dylan. Have always enjoyed anything Julian Cope has written, but don't know his books. John Savage's England's Dreaming is good on punk. Years ago I read a very weird book about Kate Bush and the Sex Pistols, supposedly representing the English middle classes and working classes, respectively. Bollocks, of course. BUt given that it was ironic to read recently how Lydon is a huge fan of Kate Bush.

Prof X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

Have always enjoyed anything Julian Cope has written, but don't know his books

you HAVE to get the autobio twofer

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

recently got the rolling stone illustrated history of rock & roll (1976) from one of the bookshops round the corner. no bad so far, if a tad awkward to read whilst sitting (it's a big tabloid size thing)

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

across the great divide is cool if yr a geek about the band.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

A surprising number of the 33 1/3 books are worth the paper they're printed on. There's a thread about them here somewhere. I can recommend the ones on Murmur, Piper At The Gates Of Dawn, Low, In The Aeroplane Over The Sea, The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society. There are another half dozen or so I want to read.

Slavoj Zizek's wife, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

i think most books are worth the paper their printed on! paper isn't that expensive! (but i steal all my paper from work so whadda i know)

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

There's an interesting thing about that 1976 version of the Rolling Stone Illustrated History of Rock and Roll. It includes an essay on Neil Young, written by Dave Marsh, that is not too laudatory and highly critical of Young's output at times. Unlike most (maybe all, I'm not sure) of the essays in that edition, Marsh's essay has been dropped from updated versions for a more positive Young piece from another writer. I don't agree with Marsh's assessment of Young, but it is worth a read. Also note the year: 1976, before Young's ascension to "60's vets who still matter" status with Rust Never Sleeps, et.al. You definitely get a timely perspective on Young not beholden to critical deification. (Though, as I said, I don't agree much with Marsh's conclusions).

James, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

I read the True Adventures of the Stones book when I was like 15, right after I'd read No One Here Gets Out Alive and Hammer of the Gods. I remember thinking at the time how different it was, that it seemed more like a piece of literature than the trashy bios I'd been reading -- which bummed me out at the time!

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

i can't really front on hammer of the gods though! that book is a hoot! i read it as if it were the bible of rock as a lad.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Crazy From The Heat by David Lee Roth

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Crazy From The Heat by David Lee Roth

OMG I FORGOT! THAT'S THE MOST CRAZY ENTERTAINING SURREAL AUTOBIO EVER! Rollins on ghost writing too I guess....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

ILB thread

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

xpost: good antidote for the Kinski autobio, I think.

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

Rollins ghost-edited Crazy From The Heat, not ghost-wrote. But yeah it's ace, like The Dirt if they weren't morons.

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

oh and i just read "the dirt," that motley crue thing. pretty disgustingly funny.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 February 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

next read Fucked By Rock: The Unspeakable Confessions Of Zodiac Mindwarp!

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:34 (nineteen years ago)


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