Green Day: C/D?

Well, sometimes. "Longview" is fucking great, as far as simple adolescent dissatisfaction goes. "Time of Our Lives," or whatever that's called, sucks like a hoover. Most everything else is in the muddy middle.

He also lent me the greatest hits CD - DUD!

that acoustic song they played later on = dud dud dud

"Billie Joe is seeking treatment for substance abuse. We would like everyone to know that our set was not cut short by Clear Channel and to apologize to those we offended at the iHeartRadio Festival in Las Vegas. We regretfully must postpone some of our upcoming promotional appearances."

You know, I feel for the guy, if he's seeking help for a problem. But what a brazen kiss-up apology to the group's commercial cash cow enablers.

Like how this thread jumps straight from the 'hey remember them' years to the 'corporate rock burnout!' current moment. American Wha?

Now wait one minute. I said, ONE MINUTES.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9zogQOmQVM

remember, billy was a meth-head from the early days up til insomniac, which is a straight speed album. wonder if it's coke now

it figured that when that Clear Channel megafestival put a hundred big name stars onstage for 20 minutes or whatever at a time that someone would blow a gasket that they weren't treated like a headliner for once in their career. it's just really funny that it was Green Day.

^^and on top of that, they'd been schilling something serious for it. Been hearing tons of radio promos "starring" members of Green Day talking up the show like it was the second coming of Monterey or The US Festival.

there's something about when Dirnt realizes what Billie is doing and takes off his bass and starts slamming it to the ground (~1:36) that is so sweet and sort of sad in a solidarity-meets-puppy dog following its master kind of way. dirnt is like tuning or something and then all of a sudden it's like he goes "oh we are doing this now!"

(note: I don't hate this band and think dirnt is cool and an underrated contributor to its sound, don't mean to be slagging him too much)

no you observation is totally otm

i thought so too, just didn't want to come off as too harsh on a dude i've always liked.

Dirnt is a cool cat.

those poor kids having to watch this while waiting for Usher to come on :-(

On the cynical scale, how cynical is it to note that these meltdowns and rehab stints so often come right when the band as a new album to promote?

Green Day rhythm section totally great, no prob with those forced-to-wear-eyeliner-and-get-goofy-haircuts dudes. I wonder if they hang with the guys from No Doubt and commiserate? Dirnt, by the way, only 40, which is impressive, given how long the group has been around and how much he gets pegged the old guy. Billie Joe's only 40, too, and Tre Cool is 39. Dave Grohl, for comparison, is 43. Who are going to be the 50 and 60 year old legacy acts touring arenas in 20 years when Springsteen and Prince and the like are retired? Will it be bands like Green Day and Foo Fighters and I guess Nickelback or something? Will there be 50-something stock brokers pulling strings to get primo Green Day seats at the hockey arena in 2030?

I've watched this clip several times now, it's kind of mesmerizing. Although, I gotta say, he really doesn't seem like he's on anything. Just pissed off.

The line about being around since 1988 is a bit sad though. Could have done without that.

It sounds lame, because it's the 80s, but that was 25 years ago, which is amazing. That punk Usher's only been around for, like, 18.

On the other hand, it does prove he's pumped out more subsequent hard jams than Mary Margaret O'Hara

you can tell he's punk because he's self-righteous and swears a lot

there's something about when Dirnt realizes what Billie is doing and takes off his bass and starts slamming it to the ground (~1:36) that is so sweet and sort of sad in a solidarity-meets-puppy dog following its master kind of way. dirnt is like tuning or something and then all of a sudden it's like he goes "oh we are doing this now!"

otm about how there's a real sweetness to that - guy's trying to save face for his bud in front of a lot of people, thinking on his feet to minimize any fallout from what just went down - really human half-second there

"About to make Fender real happy they signed me to Squier..."

you can tell he's punk because he's self-righteous and swears a lot

Easily their most punk performance :)

Green Day rhythm section totally great, no prob with those forced-to-wear-eyeliner-and-get-goofy-haircuts dudes. I wonder if they hang with the guys from No Doubt and commiserate? Dirnt, by the way, only 40, which is impressive, given how long the group has been around and how much he gets pegged the old guy. Billie Joe's only 40, too, and Tre Cool is 39. Dave Grohl, for comparison, is 43. Who are going to be the 50 and 60 year old legacy acts touring arenas in 20 years when Springsteen and Prince and the like are retired? Will it be bands like Green Day and Foo Fighters and I guess Nickelback or something? Will there be 50-something stock brokers pulling strings to get primo Green Day seats at the hockey arena in 2030?

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, September 24, 2012 7:53 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think the touring business is going to totally different then, straight up. after Springsteen and U2 stop touring, probably no rock act will ever tour at that level again.

Sorry to hijack the discussion, but has anyone heard the new album? Is it any good?

yeah it's dece. closer to dookie than 21st century crapblow

thanks. listening to a couple songs, might actually buy this.

wondering what prescription meds he's hooked on....adderall, vyvanse would make sense given his past abuse of meth and amps. INSOMNIAC might be the greatest speed album ever made. btw, reading the 12 year old green day fans' reactions and forced denials on the main msg board is pretty hilarious: http://www.greendaycommunity.org/topic/90220-billie-getting-treatment-for-substance-abuse/

it's as if they've never listened to the lyrics of GEEK STINK BREATH. if you're a speed/meth head like that, you're gonna have drug issues later on.

lol @ "So it looks like Billie was under substance abuse when performing at the iHeartRadio festival."

I didn't realize I had this hierarchy in my head until just now, but there's a "has their shit together" meter where I'd always put Green Day ahead of Metallica, expecting them never to change positions.

why cant green day be that exciting and unpredictable while accepting their grammy awards?

because they were given as much time as they wanted to give their speech

pretty much zero intelligent discussion on this anywhere on the internet. every green day fan is all "hmm suspicious...seems obviously like a cover-up by clear channel to make sure green day doesn't embarrass them." am i the only one who isn't surprised AT ALL about his drug issues? dude was a fucking METH HEAD at the height of his band's popularity!

So, wait, wait, WAIT.

Are you trying to tell us something, spazz? That Billie Joe Armstong was a METH HEAD?

Maybe he meant to write BETH HEAD.

I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS

I'VE BEEN TAKING CRAZY PILLS SINCE 1988.

so by 'meth' you mean...

I mean it's completely normal to record three complete records all at once, happens all the time.

Hmmm skeptical. On what? For what? Since when? Tested by? Confirmed by?

asking the tough questions

Jordan S, boy detective

These guys used to write songs about doing speed so they must be constantly on it. I don't know, dude obviously has problems and I have no doubt he's indulged in the past. On the other hand, he's held himself together pretty well until this point.

I don't want to be that guy really, but backstage after a Green Day show was one of the most chill, hey-howya-doin' scenes I've ever been to.

Maybe they smoke up all the meth BEFORE the show.

just watched the video, honestly it was pretty hilarious and maybe like 40% righteous

he did seem to be slurring his words to me tho, for whatever that's worth

Oh certainly! The "outburst" didn't even seem that fucking bad!

he did seem to be slurring his words to me tho, for whatever that's worth

Hm. Could just be his English accent tho?

Love his face after 'Look at that fucking sign right there. One. Minute.'

And then the sign says "one minutes". Loved that.

Hm. Could just be his English accent tho?

And then the sign says "one minutes". Loved that.

In England, they add an "s" to "minute," like "maths."

his english accent??

it was a joke on the fact that he sings with a fake accent

o

At about 1:00, he lapses into British accent with "fuckin' jow-kin'"

I mean, it's Green Day British, I don't want to offend any of our boardmates.

did anyone else get a pro-wrestling vibe from that video? felt like the camera would cut away to vince mcmahon fuming backstage.

"Warner Brothers Records and its subsidiaries are not responsible for the behavior and opinions of its musicians. Green Day and its management offers its apology and has announced that lead vocalist Billie Joe Armstrong has been sent to a rehabilitation center for being a BAD ASS."

lol philip

smashing guitar on stage is banal.
he should have been getting down there and smash the sign itself!

I work for F3nd3r and that Dirnt bass was just sent to him and was a prototype :)

XD Oh man, so has the office been all up in arms?

Nah, it's pretty badass to everyone! We are hoping we can get that back for posterity.

You should have the team build a breakaway guitar so that people on a budget can have the satisfaction of smashing them but are able to reassemble them later.

seeing as you mentioned that... I've not seen a guitar smashed irl for a while, do the necks always break away this cleanly...?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Music/Pix/pictures/2012/9/24/1348479861130/Green-Days-Billie-Joe-Arm-008.jpg

gibsons do

which guitars actually smash instead of just the neck breaking off? does the wood have to be hickory?

it's weird how Billie Joe seems to have not only totally avoided the common advanced-aging ravages of prolonged meth use, he actually looks like he has not aged at all

it's called make up

question from a uk'r who knows nothing re the people behind this corp shyte :

was this broadcast live, or, edited and pre airing edit meant the good'old folks missed this rant ?

if live, then fair play, it's a blast of 'tude that is rarely seen these days, and almost makes me want to discover an album by this lot, if however, this was recorded, then f*ck what's the point.

and i'm sorry, but the story re substance abuse came out way to quickly

- seems like a cover your ass story as opposed to just admitting that the band were seriously f*cked off with being messed about.

i mean in pr terms what's the best hit : mid life hissy fit vs drugs related outburst

?

which guitars actually smash instead of just the neck breaking off?

Rickenbackers.

mid life hissy fit

new album title iirc

Do you have the time
While you have nice white wine

Wait hold on

http://www.greendayauthority.com/news/3608/

The Green Day Angry Birds game on Facebook has been updated with new levels and another new song preview.

...Angry Birds game.

As I've been muttering elsewhere, hope you get to fling a guylinered bird screaming about doing this since 1988.

Punk as fuck.

mark the iheartradio festival wasn't televised, the youtube is from a webcast

amuses me that the album they just put out as this news broke has billie joe's face on the cover with the eyes x'd out

oh wow man

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/Who_Are_You_album_cover.JPG

also a week or two before all this they cancelled a show for undisclosed billie joe 'medical' reasons so it's not totally out of the blue (xpost)

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/20/1345479653159/green-day-angry-birds.jpg

have to respect cartoon caricatures that accurately depict the bags under each band member's eyes

omg I *must* play green day angry birds!

:o

As I've been muttering elsewhere, hope you get to fling a guylinered bird screaming about doing this since 1988.

I read this wrong and thought, "so behind the times, never played Anrgy Birds and I don't even know who guy line red bird is."

new album is "how many times are they going to write the same songs with newish vocal melodies over and over again?"

have to respect cartoon caricatures that accurately depict the bags under each band member's eyes

― the definition of fuckshit bird (some dude), Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:33 AM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol i hadn't even heard the "count the circles around my eyes" line on the album when i posted this.

Goddam, Paul Westerberg sang "Let's count the rings around my eyes" motherfuckin' 28 years ago.

Love these guys, but they have to learn how to steal better.

yeah that's pretty blatant

Just rebels without a clue.

lol i was wondering why that line felt familiar

vague confessions
http://music-mix.ew.com/2013/03/01/green-day-billie-joe-armstrong-drug-interview-rolling-stone/?hpt=hp_t3

insomniac is a great record because he wrote it about/on methamphetamine

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/judy-greer-fred-armisen-billie-joe-armstrong-geezer-1201352793/

GET EXCITTEEEEEEEEEDDDDD

Judy Greer, Fred Armisen and Selma Blair have joined Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong in music drama “Geezer.”

The cast additions come as director Lee Kirk begins lensing in New York City. Producers are Tim Perell of Process Media and Alex A. Ginzburg and Tony Lee of Let It Play.

Dallas Roberts, Chris Messina and Brian Baumgartner are also starring.

“Geezer” centers on the mid-life crisis of a husband and father who, on his 40th birthday, decides to revisit his punk-rock past by throwing an extravagant party in the presidential suite of the Drake Hotel — where he encounters his beautiful ex-girlfriend and former bandmates who have since moved on to bigger and better things.

The film will include new songs written and performed by Armstrong.

“The initial seeds for ‘Geezer’ were planted a couple of years ago, when my son was born within weeks of my fortieth birthday,” said Kirk. “Billie Joe Armstrong brings an exciting authenticity to the film. He’s a dad, he’s a musician and he’s an incredible talent.”

green day and weezer are mutual fans aren't they? why not form a supergroup with that name?

dirnt is cool and an underrated contributor to its sound

4 real

like the front half of every one of their lines is the attack on the maxxed out guitars that then just dully keep grinding it out

the second half is where all the movement inside the monotonous parts is and it's all dirnt

also that almost always makes him sound like he's way behind the beat, dunno if he is or not, but it really makes them sound simultaneously lazy/slackery and agitated since he's behind but moving around a lot

I miss when everyone in Green Day was on meth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMl-sVlQbak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I84PtK8RQes

new album Revolution Radio out October 7. new song sounds like shit. whatever

http://pitchfork.com/news/67465-green-day-announce-new-album-revolution-radio/

http://pitchfork-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/content/gdalbum.jpg

01 Somewhere Now
02 Bang Bang
o3 Revolution Radio
04 Say Goodbye
05 Outlaws
06 Bouncing Off the Wall
07 Still Breathing
08 Youngblood
09 Too Dumb to Die
10 Troubled Times
11 Forever Now
12 Ordinary World

Middle-aged white dude "YEAH! I'M REBELLIOUS!" signifiers remain not just the worst but the dullest and most obvious. (Signed, 45 year old white guy, don't tweet at me, etc.)

no, it's true. it's remarkable that they had a career renaissance with American Idiot, which I really like, very good record, but everything they've made since (not much, admittedly), has been beyond bad. self-parody/lazy/phoned in rebelliousness. but they're in the hall of fame now, so they don't have anything to worry about.

i like the cover.

me too. not SPIN:

http://www.spin.com/2016/08/green-day-revolution-radio-album-cover-terrible/?utm_source=spintwitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=spintwitter

it's remarkable that they had a career renaissance with American Idiot

It's remarkable they've had a career beyond Dookie, IMO.

lol i'm going through the trilogy, wtf is this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh8UILPQD9Y

It is the time of fuck.

Or alternately:

"It's the time
Of the SEEEEEASON
For FUUUUCKING!"

was this in rolling worst songs 2012

did anybody actually listen to these records at the time

so many questions

shit, "nightlife" is even worse

i tried but ultimately couldnt do it.

I quite literally rode a bus by the club in Costa Mesa where there were already a slew of people waiting for the secret show that night where they premiered a lot of songs from all three of those albums. I have to wonder how many of them thought it was worth it.

And indeed here's the setlist:

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/green-day/2011/tiki-bar-costa-mesa-ca-7bd086e0.html

You'll be thrilled, Brad -- TWO versions of "Fuck Time."

fuck time 2: fuck forever

Fuck Time Reloaded

Could see that being a decently fun live song if the lyrics weren't those lyrics

Is Dookie considered canon now? Will it ever be? Does it deserve to be?

Yes, yes, yes. I'm wondering when Insomniac will get its due, though.

Although tbf, Dookie is no Enema of the State, which has become the ur-text for every Warped Tour band and many hyped indie rockers like Joyce Manor. Dookie was more of a major label culmination than a new synthesis. They're both "pop punk," but Enema of the State leans more pop, and vice versa.

Insomniac was always considered Dookie's runt little brother with the same format and fewer memorable songs. Amazing (to me) that Blink are remembered so fondly these days. I'm probably not the right generation to appreciate them though.

It's amazing to me as well, and I was exactly the right age to be into this kind of shit back in the day.

I know, but Insomniac is so good & brutal! Such a blistering, angry record. Probably the only major label album with 3 singles about methamphetamine.

Is Dookie considered canon now? Will it ever be? Does it deserve to be?

― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Friday, September 30, 2016 8:48 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's been considered "canon" for years!

dookie was canon back in the 90s when you would get cassettes of it in the mail w samples of tide

Dookie was definitely considered canon by the end of the '90s... it was perceived as being as essential a '90s alternative rock record as Blood Sugar Sex Magik or Siamese Dream. One of those albums your '90s alternative rock collection would be incomplete without.

it's remarkable how Green Day managed to avoid being a one album wonder with two career boosts after their breakthrough with Dookie: "Good Riddance" and American Idiot. I understand why Insomniac isn't really rated and was dismissed at the time, I imagine hearing that record a year after Dookie was a sign that this band didn't have much else in them and that it'd be diminishing returns from there on out.

I've always been amused by the fact that people expected some kind of artistic evolution from this band. Talk about missing the point. Anyhow, the band clearly took it to their hearts as they went on to make albums like Warning and American Idiot, in which they attempted to do something a little different within the confines of their sound, and amusingly, still ended up pissing people off. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's tempting to think albums like Warning and American Idiot wouldn't have been made if they hadn't made that major label jump and that they would have been content to crank out endless versions of Kerplunk! for the rest of their days and that their fanbase would have been satisfied with that.

it's almost time to wake up that guy

Hahahahaha!

are you saying that they expected evolution and were still mad when they managed it?

i'm not sure this is how i experienced "people"s reactions to green day

their only really reactionary album is insomniac

Yes, I am saying that there were people that clearly expected Green Day to artistically evolve (see: people getting upset because they felt that Insomniac was just "more Dookie") and I am saying that were people that got upset when they made albums like Warning. This is exactly how I experienced "people"'s reactions to Green Day.

yeah warning wasn't received well by the green day fans i knew at the time, mostly they were confused by the whole kinks fixation, but like... ime no one was mad about american idiot

Interesting that the Green Day fans you knew at the time were confused about the "Kinks fixation" on Warning, given that the title track was far from the first time that Green Day had half-inched a Kinks riff (see: 'Walking Contradiction' vs. 'Do It Again' for a notable example) - the Green Day fans that I knew at the time were down on Warning mostly because of the relatively softer sound and slightly increased emphasis on acoustic guitars. For me, personally, I don't think the songwriting is as strong as on previous records.

American Idiot was critically acclaimed, sold well, and brought quite a fair amount of new fans on board, which I was pleasantly surprised by because I thought they were just about done prior to releasing that record. However, I do know more than a few Green Day fans that were dissatisfied with the record for numerous reasons: the Wonderwall-isms of 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams', ballads like 'Wake Me Up When September Ends', and the sense that Green Day were now trying their hand at being a stadium rock band.

warning is easily their best record with their best songwriting. of course the people i knew weren't literally against the kinks-isms but it was the dimensions of that sound (softer, more acoustic) that alienated them

xpost:

Of course, the first time the words "stadium rock" were brought up in conversation regarding Green Day, I thought "eh?" ... but thinking about it, and listening to American Idiot again, I can see how the cavernous drums on tracks like 'Are We The Waiting' and 'Wake Me Up When September Ends' can code as "stadium rock" to some.

Funnily enough, I never heard anyone slag off or criticise either of the two multi-part suites on the record.

That you and I disagree completely on the merits of Warning is not a surprise to me in the least.

ime no one was mad about american idiot

pretty much everyone i knew who still had a modicum of affection for this band was rolling their damn eyes at billy joe super saiyan-ing himself into bono 2.0.

omg looool at "Fuck Time"

what's most amazing to me is that it's on the *second* of the three albums, like was that really not among the bottom-scraping material

pretty much everyone i knew who still had a modicum of affection for this band was rolling their damn eyes at billy joe super saiyan-ing himself into bono 2.0.

― a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, September 30, 2016 7:05 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha, yes! I remember there being a lot of this amongst many that I knew who were still bothered about Green Day at that point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNq9gmY_Oz4

this was my favorite Insomniac = more Dookie track

'Fuck Time' is surely something that Tre Cool had a lot to do with? It feels like it's one of his.

Insomniac was everything I wanted as an 8 year old Green Day fan. My sister wrote new lyrics for "Walking Contradiction" about being stuck in traffic, it was pretty great.

holy shit @ the "do it again" / "walking contradiction" rip. that's fucking insane

I remember, despite not being a huge Green Day fan at the time (tho I like them now), being anxious to hear the new Green Day single around the time Insomniac came out, because they kept playing short snippets of it during MTV commercials for about a week, and those clips sounded massive.

woke up early for high school one morning and flipped on MTV and they were showing the video (think it had debuted the night before and they were replaying it), and I dug it. my brother was a Green Day fan, but was asleep as he was in middle school at the time, so I left him a note - "Hey bro - new Green Day video is out, Geek Stink Breath!".

my mom called me later and said my brother was upset because he thought i was insulting him.

So

Has this been discussed

https://www.uphe.com/movies/ordinary world

Ugh

https://www.uphe.com/movies/ordinary-world?utm_source=m.facebook.com&utm_medium=referral

would've seen it if it ever came here. definitely dig billie joe going into acting, makes sense

D

Billie Joe Armstrong leads an all-star cast in the candid and heartwarming comedy, Ordinary World. Perry (Armstrong), a former punk rocker, is ten years into his band's "indefinite hiatus" and is struggling with his adjustment to the real world, which includes working in his family's hardware store. When Perry's hotshot attorney wife (Selma Blair) and precocious young daughter forget his 40th birthday, his brother (Chris Messina) takes pity and gives him the money to throw a huge rockstar blowout in a fancy New York hotel. At the party, Perry's punk past clashes hilariously with his grown-up reality as he encounters crazy former bandmates, including best pal Gary (Fred Armisen), and an old-flame-turned-manager (Judy Greer), who offers him a chance to revive his stalled career, all in one outrageous day!

lol this sounds/looks even worse than that Strummer movie

people getting upset because they felt that Insomniac was just "more Dookie"

it was the 90s, every artist was supposed to mature and throw on some cellos or discover accordions or ondes martenots or whatever on album 3 or 4

Oh, the cleverness.

Bump some #FatherOfAll to get going pic.twitter.com/erl8BTFCAT

— Green Day (@GreenDay) February 7, 2020

(WE DID USE BUTCH WALKER THOUGH)

album's at least a little livelier than their last few exhausted directionless things

I had to.

_Uncut Rock_ (2020, dir. the Safdies, starring Adam Sandler as Billie Joe.)

— Ned Raggett (@NedRaggett) February 7, 2020

not going to lie, i kinda liked their uno/dos/tre chaos.
yeah, it ended in a full on meltdown, but there are some decent tunes on the trilogy.

This new album is so wildly awful that it give me secondhand embarrassment but it's also hilarious and somehow better than their last several records?

it doesn't SOUND like any kerplunk-onward members are still left in the band and yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18EmOXEsmlw

honestly they should just go full rockabilly

Sounds like Weezer if Weezer was influenced by Havana 3am. Which is to say ... fine.

Their music is very real, and you can tell it all comes from them, which is what sets it apart from what other pop acts are doing.

not going to lie, i kinda liked their uno/dos/tre chaos.
yeah, it ended in a full on meltdown, but there are some decent tunes on the trilogy.

― mark e, Friday, February 7, 2020 1:11 PM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

putting myself through the trilogy a second time is one of the most depressing things i've ever done for the sake of a review. even the good songs sound empty

21st century breakdown is the best green day album though

this ad campaign has definitely done its job.

...in that it's made me listen to it. wow is this really Green Day? I mean, it's not good but I've got to applaud them for not sounding anything like their usual selves

wait... what

why is the second track the same song as the first one? Is this some In A Silent Way shit?

It’s because it’s 100% Pure Uncut Rock. No trap beats. No Swedish songwriters. Do you want Realness, or do you want fake pop crap?

Okay I'm at work and I'm 5 songs in and... Okay, the ad campaign was ridiculous, and the change of direction is ridiculous and the whole thing is daft, but... Am I kind of secretly enjoying this? Much more than whatever I heard on that awful trilogy anyway...

i've also been having fun revisiting nimrod instead of listening to the new record. "redundant" is a great power-pop song

new record better than the trilogy otm

I always listened to Nimrod at arm's length. You know that point in your teenage years where you're painfully aware that your favourite band might have sold out because suddenly everyone's singing along to the songs? (not that people didn't know all the words to Dookie, but the difference between being a 14 y/o listening to Dookie and 17 y/o listening to Nimrod was significant)

but like you Brad, I'm going back to Kerplunk and the stretch from 80 to No One Knows is a serious madeleine moment

He would also state that the lyrics are about "the life AND death of the party" and the "lifestyle of not giving a fuck."

this album sounds too intense for me, might steer clear

i've always felt nimrod was a little uneven with its mix of genre shuffling and the classic green day sound you know and love, but "uptight" gets it just right by being both. maybe their best song

insomniac: 32 minutes, not one of them wasted

this was my gateway band to rock music that wasn't the beatles or beach boys and every time i revisit insomniac i remember 1) being confused out that it came out so quickly after dookie, like was this a real new record? 2) having that dubiousness sort of confirmed by the runtime even though i bought the cassette and didn't actually know how long it was but the songs really whipped by. "no pride" was my favorite at the time 3) thinking "geek stink breath" was such an ugly, gnarly song yet so so catchy and every time i turned on mtv i hoped to catch the (gnarly, ugly) video

insomniac confused me a bit too. not sure what the release schedule was in the UK but I was still quite young at the time so the gap between the two albums didn't feel that short

i think i ended up getting dookie for christmas '94 (in my stocking, which now that i think about it, is a very funny joke by my parents), so by the time october '95 rolled around i was like "fuck i gotta buy another green day album now???"

I had a few friends totally into that Gilman Street scene. One of them had not one, not two, but three Green Day tattoos ... before "Dookie" came out. That's kinda like getting a Raffi tattoo right before he released "Singable Songs for the Very Young."

Anyway, I was never into them, but I did see them play a small club show right when "American Idiot" came out. They played the whole album and introduced the expanded band, then played a long greatest hits set, and I thought, huh, I guess they do have a lot of great hits. It was a really good show.

One of them had not one, not two, but three Green Day tattoos ... before "Dookie" came out.

lol i think this is so rad

I sort of feel like this is the most effortless Green Day since Warning, I kinda dig it if I'm being honest.

xpost lol though I suppose there was good reason to believe that Green Day's ceiling was being as big as Op Ivy

I'm still regretting my three pre-Schubert Dip EMF tattoos

i think i ended up getting dookie for christmas '94 (in my stocking, which now that i think about it, is a very funny joke by my parents), so by the time october '95 rolled around i was like "fuck i gotta buy another green day album now???"

― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, February 11, 2020 5:50 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Hah, me too. Well, my (French who lived in the US) grandparents brought it with them as a gift. Apparently they'd gone into a shop and asked the clerk what a 14 y/o boy would want. I'd seen Green Day doing 'Welcome To Paradise' as a live stream on Top Of The Pops only weeks ago and had been enthralled. I don't think I'd ever seen actual rock music being performed in that particular way and I thought it was incredible.

21st century breakdown is the best green day album though

― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 1:26 AM (seventeen hours ago)

i don't care at all about green day beyond thinking the dookie singles are pretty good but i really wanna know what could possibly be the justification for this

haven't heard the album but I'm gonna just be humoured by the idea it's a pvmic

If I was going to challops a best Green Day album I'd go for Warning. It hit a sweetspot being more mature than the jacking off/sniffing glue era but without being as dull as everything that came after.

i don't care at all about green day beyond thinking the dookie singles are pretty good but i really wanna know what could possibly be the justification for this

― ufo, Wednesday, February 12, 2020 2:31 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

strongest melodies of their career, all in a row. my previous fav was warning

also, idk, i think the “american idiot but MORE” gambit works, the songs are all really tight and propulsive and full of surprises, even the ballads (there’s nothing as turgid and unendurable as “wake me up when september ends” for instance), and it helps that the singles from it weren’t turned into wallpaper by radio overplay. the “story” is incomprehensible and pointless but i connect way more with its apocalyptic vibe than american idiot’s “anti-bush record that is secretly a breakup album” thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzJf2PPbJeQ

Kerplunk! is a great record but it seems the pre Dookie stuff doesn't count as part of their discography

(there’s nothing as turgid and unendurable as “wake me up when september ends” for instance)

This song invades my head every time I'm outside and it starts raining (here comes the rain again/falling from the stars) and I just wish someone would put me out of my misery.

If I was going to challops a best Green Day album I'd go for Warning. It hit a sweetspot being more mature than the jacking off/sniffing glue era but without being as dull as everything that came after.

I don't feel like this is challops in the least, that's such a great record.

it's fair to say Green Day album cover art has been on a steep and steady decline since Dookie (which has fantastic cover art). 21st CB has one of the worst album covers of all time.

Not sure if we included 'International Superhits' in the Great Millennial Colour Drought' thread

Warning is like their Huevos or Lodger, just out there on its own, a great record that's been slept on.

it's fair to say Green Day album cover art has been on a steep and steady decline since Dookie (which has fantastic cover art). 21st CB has one of the worst album covers of all time.

― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Wednesday, February 12, 2020 8:15 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

imo the insomniac art is their best, wish they had stuck with that collage style

the 21st century breakdown art is godawful but the trilogy is even worse. and father of all motherfuckers is somehow even worse than that

otm, Insomniac is such a great cover, with Dookie a close second.

I think Father of All is saved from being the worst by how it, almost literally, shits on the cover for one of their more iconic, Broadway show spawning albuns.

i mean i sort of appreciate it for that reason but it's still horrible to look at

oh, absolutely horrible to look at, but beats the 2012 trilogy even so.

i remember seeing an array of posters of the uno! cover in brooklyn and thinking "i am never listening to that album"

i am revisiting the trilogy for some reason, idk, i guess i like sorta masochistic projects. anyway this is sooooooooooooo embarrassing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDX0kmzC3J4

a song with that title shouldn't be rocking *less* than recent U2 guitar hero sings or a perturbed Coldplay performance.

*guitar hero singles

it helps that the singles from it weren’t turned into wallpaper by radio overplay

weird that so much recent Green Day reminds me of Northern European rock acts - the Hives, even a bit of Ghost

isn't that just due to them sucking too

been spending more time with the new one. this is definitely the best green day song in a decade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDCReEFO-5M

I heard "Meet Me On the Roof" in the wild yesterday while I was out getting lunch, didn't sound bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAmulKjcHoo

i take back what i said almost four years ago, THIS is the best green day song in more than a decade

I’m… actually kinda enjoying a new Green Day song/video, didn’t see that coming

I wonder how Billie Joe felt making this video

didn't know they still had it in em

nothing revolutionary but compares favourably with blink's attempts to reconcile pop punk with middle age (green day's too for that matter)

the drugs and alcohol are always a worry but i can't really throw stones on that front

Why don't their faces age at all ever

botox

i think billie joe is visibly aging into dave foley

"hey, finally something that's not a little derivative..."

"WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE"

"... ok, nevermind.

(And I love Green Day. Kids in the Hall too.)

Sharing this mostly because I wanna know what Ivy thinks

https://www.stereogum.com/2247936/green-day-albums-worst-to-best/lists/counting-down/?fbclid=IwAR2LHSbA84OYQmWtXOVbzqIIHkrtw9Vbu4DBlQAsRIY1UGA6lHiXKkT-KSg

21st century breakdown is way too fucking low

Absolutely unimpeachable top three though, glad to see someone rightly rate Warning and Insomniac over Dookie.

Insomniac is the right answer. It’s the only album of theirs I bother with in full tbh, though Dookie and Warning are great too

for me it goes nimrod / american idiot / 21st century breakdown / warning / insomniac / dookie (cont.)

Kerplunk! is the peak, I listened to most of Warning recent to figure out a song that was stuck in the recesses of my brain and it’s pretty monotonous. Better than everything that came after but worse than Kerplunk to Insomniac.

Warning is one of my favourite sounding albums. Pretty perfect production.

i am blown away that someone would rank 39/smooth over american idiot but reading the blurbs i'm not sure i understand where this writer is coming from at all

might be a microgenerational thing idk, i was an adolescent green day fan and they were the first rock band i liked, even people a few years older than me had little-to-no taste for warning or especially american idiot