STOP IT GEIR PLEASE

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Geir you're spamming the boards. We don't have a guideline on ILM as to how many threads you can start but try and limit yourself to two or three a day especially if they're on very similar themes. This isn't a.m.a. and your unanswered threads mean less screen-space for everyone else's conversations!

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

That's OK. I'll stop it for now.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

forever!

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir, I've deleted all the ones which hadn't got replies yet. What I suggest is that you post one thread called 'GEIR'S FAVOURITE ALBUMS' and then post your lists to that as individual entries, and anyone who is interested (which in fairness may not be that many people) can read and comment there. Thanks.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

For anyone else reading this - in long experience with Geir I have this advice: don't argue with him. He can keep going forever, unflappably polite and making not a lick of sense, and every single argument against him has been tried. There are better posts you could be making, and better things you could be doing.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you Tom.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll rather post once a day or something like that.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(NB I know I partially ignored my own advice earlier - blame misplaced nostalgia. It was the mention of "not enough chords" which removed the rose-tinted mental specs and brought the true futility of it all back.)

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha "better things i could be doing" tom that is making a really major assumption about my life

― duane, Monday, 3 March 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Ditto. I am filling in an ERA form. It is not exciting.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

No, honestly. No assumptions needed in this case.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

― duane, Monday, 3 March 2003 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"He can keep going forever, unflappably polite and making not a lick of sense, and every single argument against him has been tried. There are better posts you could be making, and better things you could be doing."

Yes, I learned this in one of his silly posts today.

― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

He must be a bot, his gibberish is mentalist yet exactly the same each and everytime.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

30 if response ="what about %band%" then let counterresponce="%band% isn't melodic enough.";goto 20

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Why are people still trying to argue with GH about eg hip-hop or drummers or anything like that?

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

These Melody VS. Rhythm threads are the biggest, lamest wastes of time I have ever seen on ILX. And that's saying a lot.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

You've got to remember, Tom -- we've known him for years. Everyone else is not heeding our warnings. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

its the first time I've come across him and I learnt pretty quickly after the post abt schoenberg.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

there is absolutely no point in discussing music with someone who has such narrow minded wretched tastes that include OCS and Electric Soft Parade.

Also, Geir looks a English Rugby Prop forward and his ideal job would be a DJ with that ghastly melodic rock station: http://www.virginradio.co.uk/

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

if Geir was a record, he would a candidate for Tom's "Real Music Martyrs"

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Why are people still trying to argue with GH...
Excssive optimism. We haven't given up hope that a tiny sliver of enlightenment can reach into the deep inner darkness at the core of his rock-hard skull.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

"there is absolutely no point in discussing music with someone who has such narrow minded wretched tastes that include OCS and Electric Soft Parade."

Hang on a minute, I quite like the Electric Soft Pa....

I'll get me coat.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

If Geir was being kept out of the ILX top 50 posters by an ACTUAL ROBOT POSTER he would be a real music martyr!!

Lord Custos give it up. This kind of thinking is what cost so many young lives in World War I!!

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

why shouldn't people discuss things with Geir? this sounds like THOUGHT FASCISM to me.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I completely disagree with the line of thought that says, "Don't bother arguing with Geir." Arguing with Geir forces you to really analyze, refine and bolster your thought processes on how you view music.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

True, I actually learned a few things about what I like in music by reading his posts and others' responses. I think people enter into conversations w/him believing that everything he'll say will be horseshit, when he actually just has specefic tastes. I can see where he's coming from since I feel there's something that the Beatles give me that James Brown doesn't and vice versa (that's why I started the thread on who combined the two best).

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I suppose you're right, Dan, but eventually it gets to the point where you're fighting Jello (a huge wall of the substance, not Mr. Biafra). Instead of sharpened reflexes you feel like you're flailing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the organizers of raves should be apprised of Ned's idea: people diving at walls made of Jello.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

No, Dan, arguing with Geir - and I did, a lot - was a complete waste of my time and shrank my brain. I completely agree that he is a very polite fellow with entirely sincere tastes, I just think talking to him about the stuff he *doesn't* like is almost completely valueless. That's true for a lot of people but their anti-tastes aren't quite as wide.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, but why not talk to him about the stuff he likes? this really is the worst kind of "You don't like our kind of music so go away" Stalinism.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

DV I didn't say "nobody talk to Geir" - he's not Becky Luc@s! I said "don't argue with him". Talk to him about the Beatles, Dodgy etc fine - I have had perfectly fine discussions w/him about Prefab Sprout for instance. I just think disagreeing with him is a fool's errand and - more to the point - likely to derail threads.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Lord Custos give it up. This kind of thinking is what cost so many young lives in World War I!!
It's Official!
Gier Hongro == The Battle of the Somme!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

OK Tom, sorry. I think I just wanted to get in on today's grumpy ILX tip and wasn't really part of the big argument.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 6 March 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

My problem has been that he hijacks threads with his narrow ways. You can't get a word in with anyone else cause everyone gets sucked into Neil Young's melodical merits marathon.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 6 March 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Of which there is none.
Ooops.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Sincerely, I am actually quite tired of that discussion myself. Note that I haven't - myself - been posting "monologue" postings about "evil rhythm and good melody" since around 1997 or so. I just respond when other people call something "melodic" than clearly isn't.

And most of all I get pissed off when people diss - for instance - Britpop, for the exact same reasons why I loved Britpop. I mean: "Derivative", non-free-form songs, retro, etc. etc. That is exactly why I loved Britpop. I hated all recent music in 93-94 (save for Crowded House and a few other one-offs - hadn't discovered Jellyfish yet back then), and Britpop finally managed to turn me into something recent and new again. It was so great to feel that, finally, there was something new coming out that was great again, after so many years (since the late 80s) of what I considered total dance/hip-hop/metal darkness.

And I am still of the opinion that Supernaturals' "It Doesn't Matter Anymore" - one of my favourite albums ever - wouldn't even have been released hadn't it been for the fact that Britpop happened and made recording labels search for melodic (but "serious") pop bands again.

I also believe the fact that late 90s hitlist pop acts such as Spice Girls, Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys etc. (even though I was no fan of either) were considerably more melodic than early 90s hitlist pop acts like Snap, 2 Unlimited and Culture Beat had to do with Britpop making good, old-fashioned pop songs popular again.

But generally, I have joined this site to discuss music that I like - with other people who like it - not to lead the same old discussion about melody/harmony vs. rhythm that I have led in a zillion Usenet newsgroups already. There's no point trying to change my mind, because I know what a proper melody is, and there is no use trying to convince me otherwise.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 6 March 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

He can keep going forever, unflappably polite and making not a lick of sense

I don't agree that his opinions make no sense. There's a thread of logic running through his opinions on melody. His opinions on rhythm make no sense though.

― David (David), Thursday, 6 March 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

But generally, I have joined this site to discuss music that I like - with other people who like it - not to lead the same old discussion about melody/harmony vs. rhythm that I have led in a zillion Usenet newsgroups already.

Then stay the fuck out of the hip-hop threads.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 7 March 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank god for the white people.

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Friday, 7 March 2003 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

OMG another jess

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 7 March 2003 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Then stay the fuck out of the hip-hop threads.

Not if they deal with possibly positive trends in hip-hop, like more melody...

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 7 March 2003 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I think for Ferraris to be REALLY awesome cars they need MONSTER TRUCK WHEELS

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 7 March 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir, I actually have an honest question for you! Why do you like rock music and not classical music?

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 7 March 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

>>I think for Ferraris to be REALLY awesome cars they need MONSTER TRUCK WHEELS <<

I can provide no such things, Nate. I can do this though, and I hope it is satisfactory:

http://www.bigfoot4x4.com/video-gallery/images/wilderness-jump-01-100.jpg

-Alan

― Alan Conceicao, Friday, 7 March 2003 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but they'd be ten times more BOSS with LASERS and BIG MACHINE GUNS and BOMBS though.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 7 March 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir, I actually have an honest question for you! Why do you like rock music and not classical music?

I like classical music too, but, while I see melodies and harmonies as important, that doesn't mean there aren't other things I search for two. And those are definitely more interesting in rock/pop productions than in the same kind of orchestra all over.

Plus it is a lot easier to sing a long to a good song if it does actually have a lyric (and preferrably not in Italian and sung by some opera singer) :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 7 March 2003 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I think for Ferraris to be REALLY awesome cars they need MONSTER TRUCK WHEELS
...and then jack the chassis *down* to lowrider height and alter the horn to play La Cucaracha!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 7 March 2003 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but they'd be ten times more BOSS with LASERS and BIG MACHINE GUNS and BOMBS though.
A quick google search might give you clues where you can buy surplus weapons, and the Hechingers site would supply brackets to mount them in.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 7 March 2003 05:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir you have broken your vow!

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 10 March 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

My vow was to post one list a day. I haven't broken that one.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 10 March 2003 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

Geir, do you have any followers/acolytes?
Why do the overwhelming majority of people disagree with your ideas on music? Are they soulless ignoramuses?

i couldn't find the ask geir thread.

― Frogman Henry, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

I TOLD YOU SO.

― Groke, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 22:27 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/09/15/unjust_poster.jpg

― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)

Geir, do you have any followers/acolytes?

(cheerfully raises hand)

― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 22:31 (eighteen years ago)

well that proves something, i suppose.

― Frogman Henry, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 22:32 (eighteen years ago)

GROKE OTM FOR SERIOUS

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 22:45 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I was kind of totally wrong.

― HI DERE, Thursday, 17 May 2007 01:54 (eighteen years ago)

haha, had enough analyzing, refining, and bolstering your thought processes on how you view music, dan?

― lfam, Thursday, 17 May 2007 02:06 (eighteen years ago)

Everything Tom said turned out to be true!!!

― ColinO, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:07 (eighteen years ago)

I stick by my Jello point.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:10 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, the slash in "Sikhs/Arabs" is only going to lead to more prejudice!

― Hurting 2, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:13 (eighteen years ago)

how tall is this proposed wall of jello

― haitch, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:17 (eighteen years ago)

but is geir osama, or the sikh priest? i am confused!

― Eisbaer, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:18 (eighteen years ago)

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/2/2b/Jello_pudding.jpg

― Eisbaer, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:19 (eighteen years ago)

BAN BILL COSBY

― haitch, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:21 (eighteen years ago)

haha, had enough analyzing, refining, and bolstering your thought processes on how you view music, dan?

I thought it would be funny watching people argue with him! Oops.

― HI DERE, Thursday, 17 May 2007 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

This thread proves that at no time has Geir been a worse ilx poster than Lord Custos ever was.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 17 May 2007 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

quantity ratio tho

― blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 11:43 (eighteen years ago)

it's a season not one match

― blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 11:43 (eighteen years ago)

He should be deducted ten points for going into administration and relegated into the All Noise Vauxhall Conference.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 17 May 2007 11:45 (eighteen years ago)

This thread proves that at no time has Geir been a worse ilx poster than Lord Custos ever was.

I don't think this was ever actually in question...?

― HI DERE, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

New jacks may not be aware that ILX dreadfulness has sunk lower than GH.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

Less threads, yes. Less posts complaining about the negro's beat, no!

― King Boy Pato, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

Geir's top of the Rhymin' Premier League every year but they won't promote him because his ground's not all seater.

― blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

You guys picked the wrong date for directing a question at a Norwegian:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Constitution_Day

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:57 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.dizpins.com/archives/images/2006aprilpics/wdw_norway_041106.jpg

― PappaWheelie V, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:52 (eighteen years ago)

I heard about this on the CBS Morning Show!

― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:53 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, PappaWheelie, where ya been?

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:53 (eighteen years ago)

New jacks may not be aware that ILX dreadfulness has sunk lower than GH.

-- Dom Passantino, Thursday, May 17, 2007 8:16 AM (9 hours ago)

dude there's a manalishi thread going on

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)

[i]Dude, PappaWheelie, where ya been?[/img]

"working"

― PappaWheelie V, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

[u][i]and other stuff [/b][/img]

― PappaWheelie V, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

ten months pass...

bump

― banriquit, Monday, 31 March 2008 08:32 (seventeen years ago)

unbump

― Mark G, Monday, 31 March 2008 08:41 (seventeen years ago)

-- Tom, Monday, March 3, 2003

FIVE YEARS LATER IT BEARS REPEATING

― David R., Monday, 31 March 2008 12:38 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah I mean that's the thing - I agree with earlier-Dan that it can be a decent exercise to spar a little with Geir to find out what it is, exactly, that you yourself believe. His steadfastness is useful, in that way. But that is because Geir is not actually listening when you talk to him. His mind has been made up for at least fifteen years. You have a better chance of waking up on the moon than of hearing Geir say "interesting point; I never thought of it that way." So in that sense, there is no point arguing, unless you find value in hearing yourself argue. That value might be lulz so OK, but there are better lulz to be had, I think.

― J0hn D., Monday, 31 March 2008 14:38 (seventeen years ago)

STOP FALLING FOR GEIR morelike

― Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 31 March 2008 14:42 (seventeen years ago)

there's always some people who want to know what geir thinks, but does he ever want to know what they think? (that is not a question to geir, i do not want to know what he thinks and nor he me)

― blueski, Monday, 31 March 2008 14:42 (seventeen years ago)

No, he doesn't want to know what you think, which is amusing in a way

― Tom D., Monday, 31 March 2008 14:44 (seventeen years ago)

FAKE GEIR

― Scik Mouthy, Monday, 31 March 2008 14:45 (seventeen years ago)

I've lost that thread where Tom and Blount find Geir's Soulseek folder and it's full of Jay-Z albums :(

― Matt DC, Monday, 31 March 2008 14:45 (seventeen years ago)

What if Geir's right and we are all wrong?

― Herman G. Neuname, Monday, 31 March 2008 14:48 (seventeen years ago)

Mouthy is reaching Dom levels of single-minded annoyance today.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 March 2008 14:48 (seventeen years ago)

What if Geir's right and we are all wrong?

In the words of the song, "If Loving Non-Melodic Rhythm Based Music From Outwith the European Tradition Is Wrong, I Don't Want to Be Right"

― Tom D., Monday, 31 March 2008 14:50 (seventeen years ago)

"Geir would like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony"

― Herman G. Neuname, Monday, 31 March 2008 14:52 (seventeen years ago)

People were saying the same exact thing, more or less, on alt.music.alternative 10 years ago.

― Mackro Mackro, Monday, 31 March 2008 15:27 (seventeen years ago)

NEVER FORGET

― David R., Monday, 31 March 2008 15:28 (seventeen years ago)

can we at least somehow limit the number of polls he can make per week

― winston, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 02:17 (seventeen years ago)

i mean, modz

― winston, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 02:18 (seventeen years ago)

I don't understand the hatred. I've argued a few times with Geir and when I disagree with him it usually ends up in a couple of posts back and forth. He's always been polite, never annoying or irritating. What's the big deal?

― daavid, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 20:49 (seventeen years ago)

The point of arguing with Geir is kinda like climbing Everest: No matter how many times you do it, the mountain is pretty much the same as the last time. People climb Everest to explore their own limits. The effective use of Geir is similar.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 20:58 (seventeen years ago)

I don't understand the hatred.

just as there will always be people who think arguing with him is worthwhile, there will always be people who don't understand the hate.

never annoying or irritating.

once your opinion on something is made known, would you continue to express it on a number of threads pretty much every day for over 10 years as if you had goldfish memory and thought everyone else did too? pointless parroting

but more annoying than that is the refusal to actually engage, ask others opinions and the reasoning behind them, and take these on board. why participate in discussion if you're not remotely interested in opinions that differ from your own?

― blueski, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 21:13 (seventeen years ago)

Sometimes it is funny to watch Geir aggro unsuspecting posters. It's almost never funny watching him aggro people who know better.

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 21:16 (seventeen years ago)

Geirroll.

― libcrypt, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 21:22 (seventeen years ago)

I like Geir. He seems like a nice chap.

― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 22:33 (seventeen years ago)

Most annoying of all is the tendency of ILxors (self not excepted) to take any notice of anything he says rather than smartly stepping over his posts and not feeding the troll.

― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 09:04 (seventeen years ago)

Geir's posts <<<<<<<<< following 83 reaction posts by others.

― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 09:04 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, Fake Snrub really should be retired.

― David R., Wednesday, 2 April 2008 12:18 (seventeen years ago)

Geir's really been raising his game of late, I liked it when he smacked down on ALL FORMS OF DANCING.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 12:26 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/en/media/4/4e/oliver_cromwell.jpg

― Tom D., Wednesday, 2 April 2008 13:06 (seventeen years ago)

"Music should be pretty and relaxing."

― mike t-diva, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 13:06 (seventeen years ago)

"and white"

― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 13:28 (seventeen years ago)

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