This is the thread where all of us who weren't cool enough to be ILM regulars huddle together sniveling because the cool kids don't like us.

"Hey, anyone wanna cracker?"
"Uh, no thanks, Mr. Alex SIR!"

(*hopes*)

i dunno. i suppose its nice to be accepted fully into an online community, but if you arent, is it really worth it to get discouraged by it?

tATu - All the Things She Said
Blu Cantrell - Hit em up style
Ms D - It Takes More

erm
that's it. I'm getting desp, so considering adding Sashimi v Pink Robot (cos it's about a kick-ass gurl)

suggestions. (other than "don't do it, crazy fool")

I'll have you know that the eating of my spunk is by invitation only, and there is a lengthy interview process prior to those invitations even being considered. Suffice to say, no mere fan of "Bootylicious" is likely to gain access.

Fuck them. Fuck their island thread, fuck their fucking FAPs, fuck their hoity-toity "i was posting on alt.music.jacobsmouse in 1884" attitude, fuck their in-jokes, fuck their Dan jokes, fuck their Ned jokes, their Graham jokes, their two greasy fingers wedged up Momus's arse, fuck their fuck me / hate me / love me threads, fuck them, fuck them, fuck them.

"This isn't a complaint as much as just wanting to get some "fresh air", and seeking a symbolic and ironic analogy for it". Bollocks, Bitch, it's elitist, separatist self-aggrandising rubbish that will only serve to put people off posting and even reading ILM. If the quality is low, improve it, don't whine about how everyone isn't up to your high and mighty standards, you onanising little Hitler.

I have one last thing to say to all of you in-crowd.

YOU ARE OLD. YOU ARE REALLY FUCKING OLD.

prize to lynskey for the neatest self-referential joke on the thread

And I couldn't help but recycle the "you're old . . " line. Me and a friend were in a taxi coming back from Liverpool and when were stopped at a set of traffic lights he spotted two middle aged women in the car next to us, so he winds down his window, signals for them to do the same, which they do, before screaming the above insult at them until our car pulled away. Good times.

Is this a climbdown? No. I didn't like Donut Bitch's thread or that sort of attitude anywhere, in real life or on the net. If you want to be elitist, go somewhere private. If you have a beef with a certain set of ilxers, don't blurt it out where you know it is going to be seen by everyone involved.

That is awesome.

I came to this thread because I love music and I review music and I wanted to talk about it with the best talkers I could find. All y'all people are spread out all over the globe (H. Arefe-Aine, please get your Addis Ababa self back on the forum), everyone has different tastes, nobody here feels exactly the same way I do about music (probably Dan Perry is closest but he can certainly deny this if he wants to), I've learned a ton of stuff here.

But the constant reminders about how things were back in the halcyon beautiful days of love: forget it. On the one hand, Jess is fronting here with the "imagined" part, because he was just schisming the other day about how all the new people are corny; on the other hand, Tom was just saying that he thinks ILM used to be more indie back in the day. So which is it? I don't know. Anyone who wants to say that this is a false dichotomy, read a thread or two.

Which is not to say that I really care. I have no problem staying at the freshman table and waiting for Bill Phillips to send Jon Lantz over to tell us that on the count of three we all have to get up and go over to the table with the retarded kids and sit there for the rest of lunch or Phillips is gonna kick our ass. On the other hand, me and Joe Cook refused to go. So what if we had to hide from Phillips the rest of the year? We kept our pride.

And that and a whole bunch of $2.99 vinyl and used CDs is all I really have around here. So that's what I'm going with.

D'oh!

I'm more sad that two of my good friends DB and MsDicey had a fun chat and I WASN'T AROUND. :-( I shall now run AIM 24/7 and never get any sleep.

Thats all, Thanks!

maybe this is the problem?

I was trying, maybe unsuccesfully, to mock that attitude by asking the question, which is a reference to an old feature of freakytrigger, and then stating a bunch of boring facts and leaving it all up to others.

I tend to have more passion than adjectives. Blah.

a grossman: I got your mockery, but ran with it my own damn way

everyone: okay, I'm done whining. back to music. let's all make up some good threads that even dave225 can get with

I did post a thread on a brotzmann tentet show I saw last year and it led to a discussion abt big bands and free jazz (whether it suceeds or not etc)

Donut Bitch's thread was low level trolling. All it was going to do was piss people off and alienate them. The generalised, no-names-mentioned tone of it is cowardly. So as one of the un-named offenders, why not come back with something to-the-point, overly harsh and not a bit tongue-in-cheek. Perry's response shows just how precious these people are.

So come on then, "olds", I want answers.
1. Why are you better than the new posters?
2. Which exact posters, besides me, are pissing you off? "Calling out people personally would be far worse". Bullshit. Any generalisation slanders everybody. Instead of agreeing to disagree with one person you are taking blind swipes at all of us.
3. Why is it tedious these days? What is being over-discussed and under-discussed?
4. Why aren't you doing anything to make it less tedious. If you don't like the new posters and say it's tedious, surely it must be your in-crowd that has become boring.

This all reminds me of my brief experiences with on-line gaming. The newbie bashing, the "i've been playing multiplayer since I was six and made my own serial cable out of bits of goats" and the need to put preening "only my l337 ClAn cAn p0st 0n thiS thrEad" stuff on public message boards. The gamers I can ignore, they're mostly 14 or 35 going on 14, but sheesh! most of yon regulars seem to be intelligent, articulate people and are pretty much on the same level.

This is why "The Ormskirk Possee" keep our in-crowd nonsense on Ask A Drunk.

When you want to take a day off work, do you tell everybody every reason why you need to take a day off and tell them they're to blame? does taking a day off work constitute as an insult to your co-workers?

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Alan

julio i will see you at the other thread.

db: you're all right with me too.

everybody in the world needs a luden's

http://www.rocknroll.net/gallery/wilco/tweedy-kick.jpg

WE REPRESENT ALL THAT IS BORING ABOUT MUSIC NERDS! BLEHHHH!

If you've got some personal way of looking at or cutting into [x] to contribute, or some factoid or another that helps a discussion along, or you've been graced with the talent to be funny (let alone readable), and you do it long enough so people remember who the fuck you are, guess what, you're in! Generally positivity is rewarded.

here's another obvioso: lots of people here know each other from way back, maybe even in the flesh. As such there is a "core group" not by beauty or varsity status (worst metaphor ever) (though for real to look at the picture threads David Kelley's next project is music critics) but by a SHARED HISTORY OF THOUGHT. So if someone shows up with "hey fellas so what's with punk" or somesuch it'll go nowhere, because those questions have long been hashed over long ago by most of the people willing to do it at all (kinda too bad, but then go revive something!). And if you wade in backwards and make a bad impression (um...), well, what can you do?

I mean, the "communitay" doesn't owe you an immediate bff-no-j/k just becuase you've shown up with a clever name and said you like [x].

AND (here are words I live by) never lose the notion that "I MAY REALLY BE a dullard or an ignoramus or an asshole." (no, no, not possible never but your posts might make you out like that. to someone. I mean, it's possible, right?)

What I'm referring to is not you, Ned or Graham or whoevers personal posts, its the "x to thread" stuff from namedropping cliquey types. Maybe you do do this, I don't know . . . .

The Cannon is firing well, there. The impression I get from the Knights of the Round Table is theres not just this "we were here first" arguement (very immigration policy) theres also this "we're better than you" stance as well. It sucks boobs.

Thankfully not.

(I have to admit though that I am not enthusiastic about complaints from either sides: old ILMers complaining about how boring/whatever things are or new ones complaining about how hostile the board is.)

I love airing-of-greivances threads, but I also think complaining (from olde or nu about the other) does nil to actually change anything about the boards' character. No fighting evolution!

I've always hated the newbies-are-scum aspect of life online - it's depressing when it turns up on ILX. I don't even like the word "newbie". But there's no point in pretending lots of us don't know each other very well by now and there's no point in suppressing those social connections online just because we're talking about music.

For awhile it looked like DMB fans were gonna swamp this place and I think that got a few people extra troll-wary. But I say fuck it, just be cool, mock nicely, speak your peace, read others and have a good time. The only people that bug me are the ones who don't interact but just slam their shit down or spam or whatever (but nobody likes that). I like the give'n'take (not that it couldn't be argued I give more than I take). People gettin' all riled and shit (both newbie and oldie). What's the point of an online community if you can't do a little in-joke jive? Why would you want to join a place where everybody acts like perfect strangers?

(taTu, take me away)

The thing is though that generally it's obvious that ilx doesn't hate new people and that they aren't discouraged or picked on when they post but threads like this really do make it seem like there is some schism or perhaps even go some way towards actually creating a schism.

Err, to put it better in threads when music or whavetever is actually being discussed opinons are judged by their own virtues and although new people may get a dissin it's only if they say something stupid much in the same way that an old-skool ilxer would if he said something that a lot of people disagreed with, like momus fr instance.

But these kinds of threads do make it seem like there really is some sort of prejudice against new people or a fite between nu and old.

OR

G.cannons's "I also think complaining (from olde or nu about the other) does nil to actually change anything about the boards' character" = not true because the complaining/fighting over nu vs. is one of the oly things that actually does make it seem like there is some sort of schism between the two and the more threads discussing the schism the more it seems to be true.

Case in point: Dissing of me would occur because i took ages to get to a really simple point and didn't explain it how i wanted to, not because i'm new.

plus what tom said.

http://www.nd.edu/~anelson/mr%20T.jpg

I live in Rhode Island.
I am 21 years old.
I am a computer programmer and student on hiatus.
My musical taste focuses mainly on indepedent rock from around 1977 onward;
to be overly general.

-- Jonathan Williams (x...) (webmail), October 7th, 2002 8:15 PM.
(ex machina) (link)

Answers

Welcome to us. :-) There are a couple of other intro threads around, read
up on them to discover who the hell we all are. ;-)

-- Ned Raggett (ne...) (webmail), October 7th, 2002 8:16 PM. (Ned) (
link)

nathan you may be the most original character to ever populate ilm.

-- jess (dubplatestyl...) (webmail), October 7th, 2002 8:17 PM. (
dubplatestyle) (link)

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Alan

schnell schnell: I guess I don't get your trip, man. But I ordered mine without hostility, so I'm assuming you're being funny because of the whole bleating thing from another post.

let me see if i can break it down for you: you post here long enough that people recognize yr name, know anything about your taste in music (even a vague "oh, doesn't he/she like tortoise and s club juniors?"), and/or you say enough things to be loved/hated: you're a regular. anyone who complains about the "community" building aspects of an internet board - especially which is OF COURSE! supposed to be dry, detached, and free of personality like ilm - is just a whiny bitch who feels excluded while still wanting to trade on the notion that they're "above all this." fuck em.

but I've learned a lot from this thread.

I have a pair of Evisu cordorouys.

wanna get yourself some wall st silver cotton infused baggies mate

We did get drunk at the Junos once. I was with Aidan Crawford. I was either writing for Scene magazine or Kingston's Pic Press at the time. I can't remember.

Plus I'm not all that indie.

g cannon, I resent the implication that I'm "respected." That ruins my whole steez.

qualification:
(a drunk mac jumped into the crowd and sang the 2nd verse to my drunk gf... shortly before we broke up).

Side note: does anyone know what music-industry Holland family Kwame Holland was related to? He only got to make records when he was so young because he grew up well-connected.

well, at least it wasn't Michael Jackson he hung out with (lack of laughter)

One of the few redeeming features of Nas's new single is that he sounds like Slick Rick on a few verses.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd100/d137/d13703olnf5.jpg

It's like my life.

No you're not! So don't be all Mr. Paranoid! :-)

Anyway my beef is w/ people who ONLY like indie and look down on all other kinds of music.

1. Paid In Full - Eric B and Rakim
2. Strictly Business - EPMD
3. RAW - Big Daddy Kane
4. Vapors - Biz Markie
5. Straight Outta Compton - NWA
6. Lodi Dodi - Slick Rick and Doug E Fresh
7. Talkin All That Jazz - Stetsasonic
8. I Got It Made - Special Ed
9. Your Gonna Get Yours - Public Enemy
10. Sometimes I Rhyme Slow - Nice N Smooth
11. The Symphony - Marley Marl and guests
12. My Philosophy - BDP
13. Gimmee That Nut - Easy E
14. Buddy - De La Soul
15. My Minds Playin Tricks On Me - Geto Boys
16. Only Ewe - Kwame

YES (also substitute 'pop' or 'melodic! not rhythmic James Brown crap!' for 'indie' when needed)

i'm new (started posting today) and i sort of hope that this board will be a good resource for intelligent music discussion and not degenerate into typical messageboard nonsense (with rivalries, elitism, attitudes, snobbery, etc.). maybe i'll be wrong.
-- john fail (cenotaph), Thursday, March 6, 2003 4:54 PM (5 years ago)

lolz

All things must pass.

john fail otm

thank god we all listened to him

http://www.thebeatles.com.hk/images/solo/john/records/cdalbums/the_us_versus_john_lennon.jpg

john "lennon"