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Is there a better album this year? Has this guy been reading my mind? Has he made this record just for me? Last night between 6.51pm and 7.30pm I was squirming and smiling and occasionally lauching and jerking and twitching round the music room while this gorgeous stuff clattered and oozed and weedled and bounced out of my speakers, and it was GOOD. Damn, I only bought his first album 'cos Amazon recommended it to me 'cos I'd rated Four Tet highly, and I was way underwhelemed with Start Breaking My Heart... But now THIS! This futurepsychenoisebeatpop! Oh yesyesyes! It's like My Bloody Valentine and The Chemical Brothers and Four Tet fucking in heaven while Brian Wilson watches! Yesyesyesyes!

Expect some Joycean rambling on Stylus early next week, if not before.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 06:36 (twenty-two years ago)

this one is on my shopping list. maybe i'll pick it up today. i hope its as good as you say...

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 06:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I was absolutely fucking blown awat, buddy, sending text messages to mates imploring them to buy it and stuff. I've not had a first reaction to a record like this since I was 17 and heard In Sides.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, you've sold me, I want to hear this. I seem to recall their record company bloke drunkenly chatting to us in the ICA bar, or did I imagine this? Suzy do you still have that record? I remember not being too impressed by the description at the time, but my curiosity is piqued now. Twee shoegazer electronica, could be worthy...

― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 06:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Nothing twee about it! It's rocking and noisy and direct and spacey and great!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I only like electronica when it's really spacerock. Will I like this? The last electronica album I liked was the progrock majesty that is Capitol K. Same sort of ballpark?

― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know Capital K, I'm afraid. Um... This is definitely less elecronica then you might imagine, it's not spacerock or noisepop either, or dance music. It's just really, really great and cool and noisy and dancey and there are guitars and organs and little delicate glockenspiels and BIG NOISES and BIGGER BASS DRUMS and some honking clarinet and saxophone and a frog and some woozey vox on a couple of tracks and stuff.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Pisses all over Capitol K from a great height after 10 pints of lager.

It is a peach of an album, it really is, bloody marvellous.

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Chris, way to sell the album. I say "I really love X, is it like X?" and you say "It pisses all over X" - yeah, that REALLY makes me likely to wanna give it a chance.

What I like about Capitol K is big PROG ROCK guitar riffs mixed with galloping stuttering dance beatz and occasional passages of gentle shoegazer beauty. If I like that, am I likely to like Manitoba?

― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes. Only more so.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Kate, it's just that they were so bad last week that I can't even imagine anyone liking them much, apart from their Mums.

The Manitoba album is everything that Nick says, it's got swirly guitars, great drums, fantastic drums, some really good frog noises, there's definitely a sennse of humour in there but it bnever descends to the pits of wacky, it's just great.

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:42 (twenty-two years ago)

great drums AND fantastic drums? Sold!

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:52 (twenty-two years ago)

exactly, that was intentional you know.

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Are the frog noises, like, when frogs are talking, or doing other noisy frog stuff?

― David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno, but one of my favourite records EVER (Medicine's Shot Forth Self Living) features a duet for guitar feedback and frog chirps, so I am hopeful!

― kate, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The frogs simply ribbit

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:16 (twenty-two years ago)

A New Order "Perfect Kiss" kind of ribbit?

[okay, I'm belabouring this, I know -- some things are just funny, intrinsically so, like frogs and chickens]

― David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:21 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, that's the one.

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Indeed. Well, I think it's track two, and at the start, a frog ribbits. And at the end, it ribbits once again. And it's like doorbells or mobile phone interference in dub (Primal Scream and The Orb, specifically) in that it kind of throws your head 90 degrees as yo wonder whether it was real or not. It's very cool.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:27 (twenty-two years ago)

o fck i want this

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, yes you do.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 08:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Really want to get this but am hamstung by wary thriftiness at the moment. I finish work in three hours, pass Music Zone on my way to the station, it's just a tenner - if further enthusiasm is presented to the extent that I can no longer resist and it proves to be as fantastic as suggested, will be forever in your debt. By 4.45, plz, thankyouforyourtime.

― alexfack (alexfack), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

new album was a bit too guitary for me but it has its moments. Useful promotional matches too.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Just come across a promo sitting on my workmate's desk. RAH!

Three tracks in and I hear MBV guitar fuzz and Spiritualized drones and baa baa baa harmonies and free jazz wibbling and, yes, frog noises. Kate, you'll love it.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I seem to recall their record company bloke drunkenly chatting to us in the ICA bar

was this t*ny m*rley, kate? tall guy?

anyway the manitoba album's fantastic.

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:52 (twenty-two years ago)

AND the guy's a mathematician.

― cybele (cybele), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh. Sounds intriguing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I the only one who was totally underwhelmed by this?
It's okay, but...

Oh well.

I've got real frogs outside my bedroom winddow and they make all the frog noises I need. Plus you can pick them up and pet them and they're not even that slimey.

Ned, the last track sounds soooooo much like Loveless you have to hear it just for that.

― mei (mei), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

That works.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm really enjoying this. Pitchfork review should be up this week.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

It was said on another thread but Fantasma is another reference point.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I got this yesterday and yes it's rather impressive, quite a leap from other stuff by Manitoba I've heard (those tracks were at least recognisably electronica; this, while being categorised and promoted as 'dance'/'electronica', sounds much more 'rock' to me).

One obvious ref. point = Spiritualized, if Jason had spent his advance on a computer and software rather than drugs and hundreds of session musicians. (Manitoba's got those very droney chords that last exactly one bar and then modulate, just like Spiritualized do). But there are lots of Beatles-y and Byrds-y harmonies in there too. Plus those drums! In short, another genre-busting Leaf label release.

Slight quibble on first listen - some of the tracks are too short! There are lots of ideas and grooves that could have been developed further.

While I'm posting again, the Hot Hot Heat LP is also recommended, albeit for different reasons.

― zebedee, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never even heard Spiritualized, so my opinions may not be well-informed.

Oh well, I'm off to see is there any frog spawn yet.

― mei (mei), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

hey kate, if you're still up for record shopping this Saturday, we can try & persuade each other to buy the Manitoba elpee! ;-)

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Buy the first one instead, if you've not got it. (There was a much better 2nd Manitoba album made by a band called Glifted which is really good.) Alright, alright. I've not heard the new album but I didn't much like the epee. The first elpee is brilliant though. The kind of boring-as-fuck electronica that gives electronica a bad name.

― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I was hoping for talk about Handsome Dick ... or at least Manitoba's Wild Kingdom.

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Twee shoegazer electronica, could be worthy...

Of course you'll love it Kate, its Canadian!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I havent heard it, but I really want to hate it.

― David Allen, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Re the Capitol K stuff - They were fucking awful last week supporting Manitoba, for some reason he seems to have gone down the sleazenation/bad haircut electro nonsense route rather then the lovely guitar/beats stuff that he's been doing in the past - Seen him 4-5 times over the last few years and he's always been fantastic - Until then.
Hope he sorts it out before the album.

Manitoba on the other hand were something else, can't wait to see them again soon.

― ActionJackson, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

manitoba- didnt give it a chance but i wasnt amazed. buts onltyy because i wanted some more speed garage from him.
tony mnorley - hes a good dj. i had fun dancing alone in an empty tent at sonar last year, to 'ramp'.

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I the only one who was totally underwhelmed by this?
It's okay, but...

Hm. That's where I am so far on this so far. So, uh, beats with semi-psychedelic pop rock grooves. It's nice. Nice. But considering all of the praise upthread I am, so far, feeling let down. I was expecting MBV or Spiritualized kinda stuff and instead I'm hearing more...oh, Soup Dragons or Kula Shaker. I'm only on track three so far though, so maybe something will change, or maybe repeated listenings will bring out its charms.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 3 April 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

give it time, sean. i like the last track alot.

― dyson (dyson), Thursday, 3 April 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I've just put it onto my Jukebox, so I'll play it s'more and let it sink in. The last track was okay but still...no immediate WOW reaction to anything here yet.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 3 April 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I only just listened to it myself, and it warms my grouchy little drone rock heart. The album it's closest to in sound is Spacemen 3's Recurring - the reverse-reverb vocals, two-chords into infinity, tinkle tinkle guitar melodies over some musical horn/keyboard splats, even a brief piece of guitars over handclapping.

It's not the electro-shoegaze verison of Smile, but it's worth checking out. Better than a lot of the crap I've heard lately.

― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Friday, 4 April 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

So I come back from my lunch break, which I spent specifically trying to find the Joy Zipper and Manitoba albums having heard a fab track by each on the new [insert UK music mag nobody here seems to like on the grounds that the writing's rubbish - true - but they cover lots of very good stuff and their cover CD is invariably 70% excellent - also true] CD...and shop bloke hasn't even heard of the former and didn't order the latter in cos he hated Start Breaking My Heart!

Gah!

Double gah!

I neeed Manitoba...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 4 April 2003 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Sean -- This seems like the kind of record where first impressions are definitive. I don't think of it as a "grower." So if you're still underwhelmed, it might not do it for you. Weird to read Spiritualized comparisons, I don't really get that. But then I really dislike Spiritualized.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 4 April 2003 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

"insert UK music mag nobody here seems to like on the grounds that the writing's rubbish - true - but they cover lots of very good stuff and their cover CD is invariably 70% excellent - also true"

X-Ray then by any chance... Up In Flames is a killer record btw... Manitoba did a v good live show at 100 club in london last week if anyone's interested...

― Dave Stelfox, Friday, 4 April 2003 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

when i've seen him live it's been real dull

― dyson (dyson), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

he's got a full live band now - totally different to the laptop shows.

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 5 April 2003 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)

And add in the factor that he is a totally nice guy - met him several times - he used to live in Dundas, Ontario (a small village outside of Hamilton, Ontario) ... I give props, like Kate does, too Canadiana and especially brililant Canadiana.

― Sonny Tremaine (Sonny), Saturday, 5 April 2003 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't believe how different the two Lps are. Both great though. Glad to hear it's worth going to see him/them - I was thinking of travelling to Nottingham and seeing him there as he doesn't appear to be coming to Manchester (unless I've missed something, which is quite possible). What does this "full live band" consist of?

It's funny how many great records seem to have come from Canada (or Canadians) since my girlfriend moved here from Toronto. Not that the two are related, I'm sure.

― Tag (Tag), Saturday, 5 April 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

a full band you say? that, i gotta see. how big a band is it?
i've seen his 'laptop' shows in hamilton and his complete and utter niceness did somewhat make-up for the less-than-thrilling live aspect.

― dyson (dyson), Saturday, 5 April 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

full live band = only 3 of them, admittedly, with the vocals coming off dats. but two drummers! and they wear bear masks!

this thread shd prob be linked to: Tell me about Manitoba

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 5 April 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm. I'm a LITTLE bit disappointed after all that. It has some moments, notably the last track, but it doesn't have quite the breadth of ideas of Cornelius, say.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Saturday, 5 April 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Bear masks?? I'm going!

My feeling was almost that Cornelius suffered from too many ideas and trying to get them all down at once, so the result was strangely unmoving. "Up in flames" seems to flow better.

― Tag (Tag), Saturday, 5 April 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought if anything the problem with UIF was that he occasionally moves from one idea to the next too quickly. Mind you, I'm not familiar with Cornelius, so p'raps I outta check him out.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 6 April 2003 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Cornelius is pretty spesh... however, I thoight manitoba's masks were pigs not bears... thought they had a bit of a lord of the flies thing going on... are my eyes going...

― Dave Stelfox, Sunday, 6 April 2003 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

nice guy goes scary?

― gaz (gaz), Sunday, 6 April 2003 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

The album is anything but scary. It's joyful!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 6 April 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

And it's now reviewed here.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 6 April 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

X-Ray then by any chance

Actually no, it was Jockey Slut. Not seen X-Ray yet.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 6 April 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

You know, I hate to say this, and boy are you gonna laugh, but I'm laughing more...

Bought the Manitoba album at the weekend. Do you know, it is almost AN EXACT COPY of the second Chapterhouse album? You know, the one that no one bought cause they went all techno. Right down to the breathy backwards reverbed vocals. The beats, the guitar texture, the treatment, especially the vocals. The ambient techno/shoegazer crossover never happened in 1993, but it's happening in 2003. This makes me laugh SO HARD.

It's a nice album, I'll give you that. I'm not sure that it's a GREAT album. But my god, does it sound like Chapterhouse.

― kate, Monday, 7 April 2003 08:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah? Bonkers. I must hear that some time then. I still view Manitoba as being more elctronica than rock though; I'm a sucker for clicks and fizzpops and kids laughing and so on; I'm not sure I'd like it as much coming from the other direction.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 7 April 2003 08:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Good God, what an utterly, utterly brilliant record, I'm going to be listening to this all summer and if anyone's birthday gets in the way then this is what they're getting, and they will love it, just love it. It's the Chemical Brothers not worrying about how it'll play at Cream, Miles Davis born forty years later, Kurt Vonnegut introducing John Lennon to Kevin Shields. Yes, it might be derivative, but just try integrating the bugger - the man's a pure mathematician, he knows what he's doing.

Just read Nick's review, it's all true.

― Mike (mratford), Monday, 7 April 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck, Kate, I think you've just put your finger on it for me. You're talking about Blood Music, right? I remember liking that album a lot when it came out and that's probably why this one sounds so...familiar to me.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 7 April 2003 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes! Blood Music! Sorry, I had forgotten the name of it. There *is* a strong similiarity - most obviously the breathy, whispered backwards reverb vocals and the DRUMS. I am ashamed to admit I really liked Blood Music when it came out, too. :-)

― kate, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 07:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Just got it. I think it is just fine.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually its more than fine. The track "Paul's Birthday" gives me the horn.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Saxophone or trumpet? Or maybe even ... ::gasp:: ... trombone?

― kate, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Um, isn't Paul's Birthday on his first album...?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:35 (twenty-two years ago)

No, Kate. Cock. I'm talking about cock.

Have I gone and got his first one here? Oh poobum!

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Hornfarmer!

― kate, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:43 (twenty-two years ago)

His first one is pretty good as well. Could you not tell when it was all laptronica electro blipness and not Chems-meets-MBV noise chaos???

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it was singularly unimpressive, Nick. Though I think the first album is beyond good into great bordering on genius.

My favourite thing of his remains his remix of a Four Tet track on the Paws EP.

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 11 April 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Really? I'm surprised. I like the first album but I've never been overly impressed.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 12 April 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn I love this Up in Flames CD. Manitoba is touring with Prefuse 73 and Four Tet at the end of May... should be good shows, then.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn I love this Up in Flames CD. Manitoba is touring with Prefuse 73 and Four Tet at the end of May... should be good shows, then.

Jesus where? UK? Tell me more now please please! What a frickin' lineup!

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 17 April 2003 06:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Dates set so far:

05-07 Atlanta, GA - Echo Lounge
05-08 New Orleans, LA - The Parish
05-09 Houston, TX - Rhythm Room
05-10 Austin, TX - Emo's
05-11 Dallas, TX - Gypsy Tea Room
05-14 San Diego, CA - Casbah
05-15 Los Angeles, CA - Troubadour
05-16 San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall
05-17 Portland, OR - Plan B
05-18 Vancouver, BC - Commodore
05-19 Seattle, WA - Chop Suey
05-22 Minneapolis, MN - Ascot Room *
05-23 Chicago, IL - Empty Bottle *
05-24 Columbus, OH - Wexner Center *
05-25 Detroit, MI - Majestic Theater *
05-26 Cleveland, OH - Grog Shop *
05-27 Toronto, ON - Lee's Palace *
05-28 Montreal, PQ - Cabaret Music Hall *
05-29 New York, NY - Bowery Ballroom *
05-30 New York, NY - Bowery Ballroom *
05-31 Cambridge, MA - Paradise *
06-01 Philadelphia, PA - Transit *

* - with Manitoba (full live band show) and Four Tet (live)

― nader (nader), Thursday, 17 April 2003 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The psychadelia of "Up In Flames" is its most winning quality while its fantastic drums and great drums tie for second place. Or maybe it's just the alleged psych-quality brought me to Manitoba's doorstep and I enjoy that what I came to hear/expect most.

As I'm snorkeling in its undercurrents and as I can't say this often enough, if you like to backstroke psychadelia's seas, love The Circulatory System with me. It's neither laptop nor electronic (not really), yet melodic wall of sound moments aplenty.

(The above link will take you to a few mp3s and videos.)

― nader (nader), Thursday, 17 April 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Charlie, from what I remember they are playing with that line-up in Scotland, some other places in the uk but horribly, not London.

― chris (chris), Thursday, 17 April 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh no, poor ickle London.

― Tag (Tag), Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i finally bought it. it's fantastic. all the press comparisons are pretty much OTM - a more rhythmic/electronic take on early mercury rev / spiritualized / mbv. it comes off much better than cornelius, btw, as it works well as a whole, as opposed to being frustrating/inspired in equal measures.

i think it's closest relation is mercury rev's "See you on the other side". both very much a complete piece of work, not a collection of songs, and both have a real jazz-pop feel. its my fave of the year so far, but i haven't heard much yet.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I just got two Cornelius albums and I must say the similarities for me are very clear; but, while I like the Cornelius A LOT, the Manitoba does it better for me. I love this record so much. It's almost as if Manitoba and Cornelius are heading towards the same point from opposite sides. NB; Must listen to SYOTOS again soon. Always loved Sudden Ray Of Hope.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

the references to mercury rev and cornelius are above are def. otm to me.

a great album.

― msp, Thursday, 17 April 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

More Manitoba dates (see venues for touring mates):

APRIL '03

Saturday 19th
FZW
Dortmund, Germany
w/ Murcof

Sunday 20th
Scheune
Dresden, Germany

Tuesday 22nd
Trauma
Marburg, Germany

Wednesday 23rd
Roter Salon
Berlin, Germany
w/ Barbara Morgenstern

Thursday 24th
Le Printemps de Bourges Festival
Bourges, France
w/ Tony Morley DJ

Friday 25th
Triptych Festival, The Venue
Edinburgh, UK
w/ Murcof, Tony Morley DJ

Sunday 27th
Triptych Festival, Tron
Glasgow, UK
w/ Murcof, Tony Morley DJ

Tuesday 29th
V.K. Club
Brussels, Belgium
w/ Eardrum, Murcof

MAY '03

Tuesday 6th
Rescue Rooms
Nottingham, UK
w/ Four Tet, Icarus

Wednesday 7th
Thekla
Bristol, UK
w/ Four Tet, Icarus

― nader (nader), Friday, 18 April 2003 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

when he's here in the t-dot (on the 27th) it's with prefuse (who's pritty good live). only 15 canadian pesos too¡

i'm in there like swimwear.

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

or if you want actual music that rocks, check out WHITE HASSLE.

― Washington I Montana, Friday, 18 April 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

what the...

― dyson (dyson), Saturday, 19 April 2003 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

someone's trying to plug their band...

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 19 April 2003 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I really don't like this record at all. I listened to it once through. Then I put it on to listen it through again the next day and I couldn't get past song 2. Then I put on the first album and realised I don't really like that much either: it's far too sparse, compared to what I thought. Whereas Up In Flames is too too busy, and I don't like the feel of it. I much prefer the (similar) Glifted album. (Check amg).

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 19 April 2003 09:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm. Just bought Up in Flames the other day, and didn't like it much on first listen. It seemed too muddy: lots of stuff going on but not really coalescing. Not even dense enough to be interesting as noise. And melodically disappointing, too. But I don't know, it's sort of growing on me. I think the key is headphones.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I've still not listened to it on headphones properly (I've got quite a decent seperates set-up in a dedicated room though; it's very easy to listen to summat properly when you're able to do that).

I've just got hold of the Assholes... 12" and a track off the Giv'r 12" too; both are very unlike the UIF material but obviously of a kin, and very good too. This guy is slowly cementing himself as my fave current artist.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 30 April 2003 07:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Headphones are totally key.

Funny thing is, it's totally grown on me. I thought it sounded like a Chapterhouse album on first listen. But now I'm hearing more of Mercury Rev in there. Like _See You On The Other Side_ era Rev. Maybe even hints of the more mellow songs on BOCES.

I like it. I like it more and more every day.

― kate, Thursday, 1 May 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Screw the drums, I've decided it's all about the SPACE FLUTE!!!

― kate, Thursday, 1 May 2003 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

It's too short, and some of the songs are a bit samey, but I like listening to it.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 1 May 2003 09:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i love the drums

― ne0-ge0, Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you saying that even though the album is samey you wish it were longer?

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure if this is what Nordicskillz means, but I kinda feel like if the album were longer, then the sameyness of the songs would seem more cohesive: it'd be sprawling and epic. Since it's so short, it's sometimes hard for me to get totally immersed in the sound. Maybe?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Oddly I don't like this album so much on headphones, the laptop roots are too obvious, on speakers it sounds organic and orgasmic.

And too short? One of the reasons I love this LP is that it fills the spaces in my life, my heart sinks when I slip a new CD in and 76:00 illuminates. Basic algebra means that the shorter the goodness then the more times you can listen to the goodness, which is good, right?

― Mike (mratford), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the new Ulrich Schnauss sends me the way Up in Flames was supposed to.

― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

you lucky sod Andy - advance copies of the platters that matter! are we going to get an advance review, of "A Strangle Isolated Place" on Dubscrape?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha DJ M I assure you my primary connection is Slsk. The review will probably go up through my usual outlet in a couple weeks.

― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 1 May 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing that annoys me about this CD is I can't find it in stores, and when I try to download tracks I get nothing but stuff from the old CD.

― David Allen, Friday, 2 May 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

he's playing the ICA on friday june the 6th, it seems.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 2 May 2003 08:01 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...

so, manitoba's show then...
i was really, really impressed. although i have my suspicions about how much was actually live – it's a marked improvement. is too bad, they didn't do any tracks from start breaking mt heart. they did the bear mask thing for about half the show & the visuals were really neat-o too.

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

How packed was it dyson?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i've seen it worse (it was at lees). but it was sold out for sure.
there was more elbow room after manitoba finnished and prefuse came on.

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

That reminds me, must get Fall tickets for there.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Just got back from seeing them in Chicago - I knew absolutely nothing about them going in, hadn't heard a note, etc. Three guys came on wearing bear masks, two of them start drumming to synched-up video/animation projections, third plucking some open-tuned guitar stuff. A very engaging show, very carefully orchestrated with the animation and films, but after a little while - impressed as I was with the drumming chops and the space-y density of the sound - I got kind of irritated by how pre-planned everything in the show had to have been. For one thing, they played along to backing tracks for every song - and not just a part or two, but entire, major instrumental passages/parts were pre-programmed, including all the vocals(!), lots of drums, lots of organ/guitar washes, lots of weird looped stuff. The three guys on-stage were just embellishing what was coming out of the laptop and samplers basically. Without the visual gimmickry disguising the lack of actual instrument-playing going on onstage, it would have gotten annoying fairly quickly. But the overall *sound* of the show was quite good, even if the songs started to run together and sound a bit same-y, so I give them some respect. Seems like a band where yr better off just buying the record. To me if you're gonna get onstage, do something different. It's sad to think they have to do the same exact show every night, but given how they have everything so tightly sequenced, I'm sure that's how it is...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

praising an album by comparing it to blood music is weird. i learned recently that andrew sherriff won an emmy for writing music about dinosaurs. he should never have let the drummer write a song.

― keith (keithmcl), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

A Canadian guy was in Emma's shop the other day and he said Dawlish reminded him of Manitoba. Kewl.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not gonna read this entire thread, but since the mere existence of such a thread inspired me to listen to the damn thing, I just want to say that the Manitoba album is as dead-assed boring as any album I've heard this year. That's all. God, I love young people today.

― chuck, Tuesday, 3 June 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(Damn straight.)

― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

ha i think i said something really awful about ilm/manitoba on another thread, so it doesnt bear repeating, but damn is this thing boring boring BORING

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

you should hear what manitoba's been sayin about you¡

― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

God, I love young people today.

With an attitude like that you should line yourself up for CMJ.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

ha i think i said something really awful about ilm...
what? you, jess? surely not

― zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

girl u kno its true

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

>>God, I love young people today.
With an attitude like that you should line yourself up for CMJ.<<

But those are young people too!! Jeez....

― chuck, Tuesday, 3 June 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

young compared to the pyramids, perhaps.

― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, at least they don't wear bear masks.

― chuck, Tuesday, 3 June 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"while Brian Wilson watches" = the punchline to a very bad dream

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Shakey Mo, I think you nailed the Manitoba issue in your live review above: it's all about the sound, and I don't doubt that they go to great (and maybe dubious) lengths to reproduce it in concert. The album Up In Flames reminds me of most is the Boo Radley's Everything's Alright Forever, in that they captured that year's hallucinogenic state-of-the-art so well that, for the first few listens, you could blissfully ignore the fact that they forgot to bring the tunes. Not that they're aren't both woozily pretty, or that they don't have the *veneer* of the psychedelic masterpiece that was clearly intended, but with the exception of a couple charming songs it's all styrofoam peanuts inside.

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

the Boo Radley's Everything's Alright Forever, in that they captured that year's hallucinogenic state-of-the-art so well that, for the first few listens, you could blissfully ignore the fact that they forgot to bring the tunes

A brilliant call! (That Boos album, one or two songs aside, just lacks anything to remember.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone (near London) should go see Manitoba at the ICA on Sunday, because Dublin's best band, the don't-call-them-post-rock 8-man-and-a-lady music monster The Jimmy Cake are playing support and it's less than a tenner in.

(I may be biased. But everyone agrees it's them versus Redneck Manifesto for ruler of Dublin bands).

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Girl you know it's true. But what can I do? Ooh ooh ooh.

― kate, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 07:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I still luuuuuurve it. But I guess I don't see at as some ultimate psychedelic rock album or anything, I just view it as madhead electronica which happens to have some guitars and skronking in there instead of (and as well as) blippy blip blips and broken radios and digital squelches.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 08:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Everything's Alright Forever. Now THERE is a record that I miss, and I should pick up again. Does This Hurt? Phew!

Probably won't be able to make the show on Friday, though, as I think Joe and I are going out to visit his mum's country cottage.

― kate, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 08:29 (twenty-two years ago)

And I don't get how it could be seen as 'boring' of all things.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 08:32 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

Wow, I am just baffled by all the hooplah about this album. Once again Pitchfork is up their ass. If Beulah had made this album, they would have given it a 5.5

Sure, there's a few nice tunes on here, and the guy's to be patted on the back for trying some new things, but that's as far as I'll go. And who likes all the free-jazzy noodling crap that appears on a few of the tracks? That's supposed to be tuneful?

In case any of you aren't in the know, Manitoba is the name of the lamest province in Canada, and home to Winnipeg, the lamest city in Canada. So a Canadian naming their act Manitoba is akin to an American naming their act err... Iowa or maybe Wyoming.

― blutroniq (blutroniq), Thursday, 19 June 2003 06:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I wanna call my next band Milton Barnet. Yeah.

― kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah man, he was so rude to not write any tunes.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, if there really was free-jazz noodling on any of the tracks, do you think I'd be within a mile of it?

― kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I now kind of want to hear this because - pretty much without exception - EVERYBODY on ILM whose taste I trust says it's bad and everybody whose taste I don't says it's good (pls don't feel flattered or insulted by this by the way) so how I feel will be a useful test of this board as a recommendation-generator.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes kate.

Yes Tico Tico.

I still wuv it.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Tico, you would hate it. And I mean that in the best of all possible ways, you chartpop loving freak.

"Love the Beach Boys and Mercury Rev? Really want to prove your avante guarde trendiness by getting into IDM and bleepmusic, but you really just can't get your head around the lack of TUNES?!?!? Manitoba is the band for you!"

― kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:39 (twenty-one years ago)

still don't get this manitoba album. i mean its all very pretty, but i can't really get much deeper into it than that. is there something im missing?

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

And what's wrong with prettiness for pretty's sake?

― kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Nowt.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 07:54 (twenty-one years ago)

prettiness for prettiness's sake is alright. but the manitoba record doesnt really hit my subconcious. the tunes as i said are sort of pretty, but it doesnt really hit me. maybe theres a depth in it, if so im missing it. so i guess i just don't get it. i feel very unintelligent right now

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it just me who thinks it sounds like yuppie dinner party music? I dunno what I was expecting after reading the reviews, and I agree it's got some nice ideas on it, it's just... bland. Like there's all this stuff going on that should make it interesting but it all sort of blends together and ends up coming out of the speakers sounding like the chemical brothers.

But then I've only listened to it twice, perhaps I should give it another chance.

― Steve.n. (sjkirk), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)

My opinion in full, untethered verbiastic crapulence.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, well, I still think Dig Your Own Hole is one of the finest rekkids evah.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:18 (twenty-one years ago)

The Chemical Brothers were occasionally pretty alright. Dance music for people who didn't like dance music, what's wrong with that? I didn't think they were going to save either dance music or rock music, but they were pretty entertaining. Ditto Manitoba.

― kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Exactly. I'm completely unarsed by the idea of anyone 'saving' anything these days. All I'm looking for is stuff that I'm going to enjoy in whatever way for whatever reason, and Manitoba fits the bill incredibly well.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah right, so it's not just me. Could no-one have explained that Monitoba sound like the chemical brothers before I bought the album? I would've saved myself the trouble.

Also, could noone have told me that the Postal Service record sounds like FUCKING DUBSTAR! IDM my arse.

― Steve.n. (sjkirk), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Dubstar sound like Motorhead next to them.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think manitoba does sound that much like Chem Bros though, only bits of the drums.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)

sounds more like groove armada to me. which probably isn't a good thing for me personally

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Groove Armada? Fucking hell, have you got the same record?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

it was lil bit tongue in cheek

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Thought it must be!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Tho it is my fault really. I should've known if wasn't for me when the main review on the little sticker on the cover was a rave review from Loaded. I almost feel dirty buying something recommended by Loaded.

― Steve.n. (sjkirk), Thursday, 19 June 2003 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still meh on this. I can see the appeal but there's no wya I love it. My opinion:

http://www.bleed-music.com/new/albums/story.asp?id=1507

(Less knowledgable (and shorter) than Nick's).

Ned, have you heard it yet?

― mei (mei), Thursday, 19 June 2003 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

This sounds like the warm headache and the swirly feeling you get in your stomach just before you vomit.

You've eaten too much pink candy floss and been on the whirly spinney things at the fair and that's okay because those whirly spinning things could only make a complete pussy throw up but now it's your headache and your swirly feeling and your candy floss puke on the pavement and you're the pussy and the floor's still spinning and will it ever stop?

This sounds like the BEST MUSIC EVAH!!! I love candy floss! I love the whirly spinny thing! I always throw up, but the sensation of eating candy floss and whirling is so great that it's worth it!

― kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Aye, great review mei!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you know, it is almost AN EXACT COPY of the second Chapterhouse album?

heh. I was waiting for someone to mention this. Haven't seen that remarked upon in too many, or any, really, reviews.

sample email exchange from buddy to me:

"Dude, what's it sound like, anyway?"

"Heh. First track sounds like Chapterhouse with more reverb. This is kinda neat."

[...30 minutes pass...]

"Dude! get this! this is fucking killer!"

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

kate et al; would I like Blood Music? Is it worth tracking down?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going to go home tonight and dig it out and give it another listen. But it's got that shoegazer atmospherics combined with pretty vocal harmonies and dance beats (though it's more baggy/techno crossover than it is IDM or anything like that). I have no idea how hard it would be to get hold of now, though. It bombed at the time, and it's passed way beyond used bin status.

― kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I've spotted a couple of copies at netsounds.com; some of them have a bonus CD.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, I don't ever think I've actually listened to the bonus CD. It's still in storage back somewhere at my mum's!

― kate (kate), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

found it in a used shop either in Ann Arbor, or in Austin, so it's out there, somewhere...

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

kate et al; would I like Blood Music? Is it worth tracking down?

Nah, not really worth tracking down, but if you see it and its reasonably priced give it a shot. A 2 Disc version with several remixes exists as well. I like the Manitoba album better since its got more Mercury Rev and Sp3 in it. Otherwise the resemblence is striking.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 19 June 2003 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

To: blutroniq
From: Mark Richardson

Re: up my ass

I just re-read my review & I stand by it completely. I think I did a pretty good job explaining why the record works & who might like it. What were you expecting after reading my review?

I do think that some of the interest in the Manitoba record, at least from people who liked his first album a lot, is that he went in such a completely different direction. At a time when a lot of people are wondering if IDM has reached a cul de sac, he decided to abandon it for retro pop. If you don't care about electronic music or what Snaith did earlier, the record might have just a little less punch.

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 19 June 2003 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, have you heard it yet?

Nope -- symptomatic of the whole feeling I've got towards listening to music a lot these days, please refer to my various posts on the 'top singles of 2003' thread for more. In this case though, rather than not being all that excited over constant new thrills, I feel dulled by all the Beach Boys/Chapterhouse/Chemicals invocations and can't be bothered to care more. I do again note your comment about sounding like Loveless on its final song but jeez, I've heard enough that wants to sound like Loveless over time after all...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 June 2003 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

(But to add to other matters, Blood Music is rather good, as is Whirlpool and Rownderbowt. ;-))

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 June 2003 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

well put, mark.
after having the record a while (i was drooling over it at first) i must say it gets a touch dull; but his older stuff still gets it up for me.

― dyson (dyson), Thursday, 19 June 2003 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey Mark,

Your review is accurate, I agree, and many people have been praising Up In Flames, so to blame you specifically was a bit harsh. However, I do stand by the claim that if an act like Beulah was to have made this same album, there is little chance it would have garnered an 8.6. Bands shouldn't be given bonus points just for changing their style or doing something unexpected.

I listen to mountains of indie and electronica, but this album just doesn't turn my crank much. For me, it's too much of a rambling mess. I'll take something like that Digital Jockey album anyday over this. I think it's OK, but not fantastic like many people have asserted.

― blutroniq (blutroniq), Thursday, 19 June 2003 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I really really hate this album.

Also,

Recipe for 'Seething Cozen': just add Four Tet's 'Rounds'.

― Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 June 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i listened to this record twice after hearing so much praise about it and there is absolutely nothing special about it at all. I am left wondering what it is that is exciting people. Domino has put out so much other great music (hood, pram) recently, I'm really bewildered by this (and the james yorkston record too, which similarly got a lot of raves but is staggeringly bland).

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 19 June 2003 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that James Yorkston album is... god... indescribably sellable.

― Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 June 2003 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Why do you hate it Cozen?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 20 June 2003 08:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I know it's totally illogical but Four Tet manage to irritate me hugely just because of their name. I'm deliberately not going to liosten to them just because of it.

― mei (mei), Friday, 20 June 2003 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

That's your loss then.

I guess with all the nany-nany-poo-poo's this might not be the best time to mention there'll be some West Coast Manitoba/Dabrye dates in September?

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 20 June 2003 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I assume you don't mean West Coast of Devon.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 20 June 2003 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I quite like Manitoba, I'd go and see them, but I guess that's not the West Coast of Wales yr talking about?

― mei (mei), Friday, 20 June 2003 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn you nick!

― mei (mei), Friday, 20 June 2003 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

ehehehehehe... I'm going straight to Heck!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 20 June 2003 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Speaking of up your ass...

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 20 June 2003 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

(You tell 'em Sean)

Heh... Sorry my British friends for being so Americancentric (we do that). Isn't Manitoba playing Reading/Leeds though? But 'ere's the dates then:

9/18 San Diego - Casbah
9/19 LA - Spaceland
9/20 San Fran - Bottom of the Hill
9/24 Portland - Medicine Hat Plan B
9/25 Seattle - Chop Suey
9/26 Vancouver - Sonar

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 20 June 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I was waiting for you or Bryan to respond to that.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 20 June 2003 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i listened to this album again today. God, this is so good.

It'll be cool when Dykehouse finally releases his record, so we can match them both up and FITE FITE FITE!

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 20 June 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

My hatred of Manitoba is nothing but irrational, Nick, I'll get back to you though when I find its root and reason.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 June 2003 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd tell you to get on aim, Cozen, but I'm just off for lunch.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 21 June 2003 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

I used to be like Louis.

― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 23 August 2007 13:27 (seventeen years ago)

seven months pass...

Pitchfork tells me it's been 5 years. I have no desire to ever hear this again.

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 3 April 2008 14:57 (seventeen years ago)

Wow, five years?! That's kind of frightening. I don't listen to this half as often as his last two, but I can still imagine wanting to, and in fact have a couple of times recently.

― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 3 April 2008 15:04 (seventeen years ago)

Andorra > Flames > Milk > debut

(but this is all relative to mood, i guess)

― stephen, Thursday, 3 April 2008 17:14 (seventeen years ago)

ten months pass...

Still enjoyable.

― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:19 (sixteen years ago)

I still need to get hold of Up In Flames and Milk

― bitch hooligan, pussy ass nobrain dårk (country matters), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:22 (sixteen years ago)

Weirdly, I have "Start Breaking My Heart" but have almost never listened to it

― bitch hooligan, pussy ass nobrain dårk (country matters), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:23 (sixteen years ago)

Milk might actually be my most-played these days, just because it sits very nicely as music for music's sake without being too mentalist or pop.

― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:27 (sixteen years ago)

which is the most mentalist one

― bitch hooligan, pussy ass nobrain dårk (country matters), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:28 (sixteen years ago)

Up In Flames, I'd say; it's the most breakneck, ideas-per-minute one. Milk is calmer, more laidback.

― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:32 (sixteen years ago)

Ha, well, there's actually no guarantee I'd prefer UIF these days. We'll see.

― bitch hooligan, pussy ass nobrain dårk (country matters), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:33 (sixteen years ago)

Milk is still pretty fucking mental.

― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:43 (sixteen years ago)

Up in Flames would be in my top 30 or so albums this decade. A landmark album.

― ilxor, Thursday, 26 February 2009 15:51 (sixteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Am liking Up In Flames muchly!

― leigh exodus (country matters), Sunday, 22 March 2009 19:25 (sixteen years ago)

(yeah, I am on a bit of a "soooo what's Southall recommended me during my ILX'n years" tip at present, largely brought about by the dearth of new interesting music in 2009)

― leigh exodus (country matters), Sunday, 22 March 2009 19:26 (sixteen years ago)

(also brought about by Spotify)

― leigh exodus (country matters), Sunday, 22 March 2009 19:27 (sixteen years ago)

So far, Milk is possibly even better

― leigh exodus (country matters), Sunday, 22 March 2009 19:54 (sixteen years ago)

Up in Flames would be in my top 30 or so albums this decade. A landmark album.

Yeah, I think it's a special disc, too. Not as enthusiastic about his work since then.

― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 22 March 2009 20:22 (sixteen years ago)

The deluxe edition of UIF is excellent, too. The B-Sides of all his albums are nearly as good as the studio material, and he puts out so much material!

― talrose, Sunday, 22 March 2009 20:33 (sixteen years ago)

I wasn't feeling Milk too much, but thought Andorra was fantastic -- that was a top 10 of the year for me. It's his shimmery summery psych-"pop" record, if anything is.

― ilxor, Sunday, 22 March 2009 20:37 (sixteen years ago)

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