Musicians whose political sympathies are to the right

I remember reading it in The Book of Rock Lists by Dave Marsh. There was a list of at least 20 of them, but those are the only ones I remember.

And isn't Gary Numan a Tony Blair supporter these days? (I know full well that Blair isn't a lefty [even before he tongued Dubya's bunghole].)

What about "When the Shit Hits the Fan" (which reads like damn near every 'let's get them fat welfare mothers' talk-radio rant ever blathered)?

Can you grasp the situation?
or is it getting out of hand
riots,killing in the streets
over the color of a man

everybody looks the same
with their head stuck in the sand
every one looks the same
'til you see where they stand

reactionary politics
are the order of the day
it makes me really sick to
see the poor,treated this way

caviar and limousines
high finance and jelly beans
decorate the east wing california modern,
it's great to be the king

did you see the demonstrations in another land
over weapons annihillation care of uncle sam

the stock market does not reveal
the arms that they have sold
half the world can't get a meal
the war is getting cold

a bushel or a barrel
neither can be saved
you feed your beef with wasted wheat
to dominate your crave

can you hear the foreign voices
can you understand?
every great civilisation crumbles in the sand
organizations and their plans
i'm anti swa,anti klan
P.L.O.,J.D.L.,they can all burn in hell

um, igor stravinsky?

I always took this song to be "ironic."

I can't think of anyone who does this who doesn't seem primarily interested in button-pushing, and doesn't come across like a parody.

huh? are you suggesting that it's not possible to actually believe in republican ideas? or just that it's not possible for a musician?

more on conservative 'punks' in this article

GOPunk

Francis Scott Key.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Sunday, April 13, 2003 1:44 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not a musician.

Jurado?!

Absurd

(the band)

i mean obviously any NSBM

http://thequietus.com/articles/04439-micah-p-hinson-interview-obama-bush

Stephen O'Malley was cool with running white power record ads when he had a zine IIRC but I guess that's more of a hand-wavey libertarian "it's about the art" situation

Tom Araya is a Trump fan (Kerry King is not)

black panther

Curious that so many literary modernists (Eliot, Pound, Wyndham Lewis et al) were on the Right, but so few musical modernists ever have been - I can't think of any offhand.

“As for Webern, he forsook his onetime socialist views to become an unashamed Hitler enthusiast, greeting the invasion of Denmark and Norway with almost orgasmic prose: “This is Germany today! But the National Socialist one, to be sure! Not just any one! This is exactly the new state, for which the seed was already laid twenty years ago. Yes, a new state it is, one that has never existed before!! It is something new! Created by this unique man!!!…Each day becomes more exciting. I see such a good future. It will be different also for me.”

Excerpt From: Alex Ross. “The Rest Is Noise: Listening to the Twentieth Century.” iBooks.

Garth Brooks was mentioned at the top of this thread but is that really true? He came out with a pro gay song in 1992, when he was the biggest country star in the world.

LOL, yes, was about to post Webern.

wow that Micah P Hinson guy is fucking stupid

also it was hongro that said Garth so ymmv

Dave Mustaine

Jesse Hughes

Kid Rock

Yet Webern inspired a whole generation of composers who embraced his brand of serialism as a means to ensure that art music could no longer be coopted by genocidal ideologies.

I doubt serialism is 'inherently' left-wing but I can think of very few on the right who care for it, or even take it seriously for that matter.

lol

MPH: what's that thing called when you put your guitar up to...

ABG: Feedback.

What do those initials stand for?

Garth Brooks was mentioned at the top of this thread but is that really true? He came out with a pro gay song in 1992, when he was the biggest country star in the world.

― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:43 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's not. He's pretty vague about it, and it's unclear to what degree, but while that's insufficient evidence alone, it's pretty clear his sympathies lean more to the left than the right.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/garth-brooks-country-musics-square-liberal-dad

it's the quietus interview upthread, micah p hinson xp

lol. ok. I had never heard of this person before. What a moron.

So there's going to be a downside to everything,

https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.3241912.1506979573!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg

but I like the American Dream,

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/afa9c01102eeb1f44cb5ac1d62c1c5cbd52a3610/11_34_1086_652/master/1086.jpg?w=1200&h=630&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&bm=normal&ba=bottom%2Cleft&blend64=aHR0cHM6Ly91cGxvYWRzLmd1aW0uY28udWsvMjAxOC8wMS8zMS90d2l0dGVyX2RlZmF1bHQucG5n&s=4e3987e0ec3240ff64a7e0fa3e9a7e33

and I think Hunter S. Thompson chronicled that a whole lot,

http://www.bodeganottingham.com/images/gigs_2016/Micah%20P%20Hinson%20cont.jpg

and did it very, very well,

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/musician-micah-p-hinson-is-photographed-for-self-assignment-on-april-picture-id539793626

what a fucking dork

who tf is that

isn't garth brooks married to nicole kidman?

I like his look tbqph

yea *twin peaks roadhouse voice* he's cool

Yet Webern inspired a whole generation of composers who embraced his brand of serialism as a means to ensure that art music could no longer be coopted by genocidal ideologies.

... and were later accused of elitism and authoritarianism.

isn't garth brooks married to nicole kidman?

― flappy bird, Tuesday, February 20, 2018 5:05 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's Keith Urban. Brooks is married to fellow country singer Trisha Yearwood who performed at Bill Clinton's first inauguration. The two of them also performed at Al Gore's Live Earth event in 2007.

Ohh

Vincent Gallo was pretty pro bush but no idea how serious this guy is

hell yeah. remember when he went on that English talk show in an American flag tracksuit and talked about how much he loved Ozu and hated the French?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP-03bF1MvQ

Flappy, I love that clip!!

OMG Richard Jobson!

yeah you know it's going to be a totally cordial and normal panel when one of the first things he says is "i sense a little bit of your own personal hangups as a woman that made you incapable of transcending them and enjoying the love story, which is quite evolved and quite modern."

for what it's worth, gary numan:

I genuinely thought that the best option was voting for the Conservatives at the time. But I do regret talking about that because people got really fucking weird about it. At the last election, there was a Scottish newspaper that ran a big feature that had me down as Conservative, which was an absolute bloody lie. I only voted for them that one time and I was so demoralised by what happened and the negative reaction I got for saying I voted Conservative that I get involved very little in that sort of thing now.

(he also hates trump, but he's not american)

also ctrl-f: morrissey

... and were later accused of elitism and authoritarianism.

So are a lot of people on the left tbf.

Have we talked about Pat DiNizio?

He was a Reform Party candidate but I gather his stance was libertarian/right-ish.

I think most Country artists who lean left are pretty quiet, cagey about it, whereas right wingers like Ronnie Dunn (Brooks & Dunn) are pretty loud.

dixie chicks are a cautionary tale

i think a lot of these newer country artists skew pretty left and woke, but they don't come out and say it yeah.

Jason Isbell has clearly stated that he's left.

not that it matters but Rosie from Pram, iirc

I imagine she wouldn't agree.

With it mattering, you mean? I meant it doesn't matter to me. It's not like she's Count Grishnackh

margo price is very anti trump and outspoken about it

i'm not sure if that makes her a leftist though

so is the Pram person right wing or not dudez?

well she is from North Yorkshire and probably has classic gammon dna.

With it mattering, you mean? I meant it doesn't matter to me. It's not like she's Count Grishnackh

No, I meant I doubt she considers herself right wing. If she is, then herself from Stereolab must be too.

Graham Parker; his anti abortion song is called “you can’t be too strong” -_-

whoa! ^ had no idea about Graham Parker.

When The National Review published their list of the 50 greatest conservative rock songs, this song was at #30. It's also the song Parker singled out when we asked him in 2012 which of his songs were the most commonly misinterpreted. Said Parker, "They decided it was an anti-abortion song. And of course it's a much more questioning song than that. It's a deeply emotional song that is not making any rules for anyone at all. But people do see it that way. I wrote some blogs on my Web site a few years back. One was deeply anti-religion, and the other one was a message to President Obama, which basically I was telling him to tell the Republicans to go f--k yourself. Because that's what they did to Democrats for eight years under Bush. Get with the program, Obama. Don't be wimp. He still hasn't taken my advice yet. But probably a good thing.

Anyway, somebody had a CD table at a gig came up to me and said, 'So you're finished with that conservative kind of thing, are you?' Because they suddenly found out I'm a raving liberal. I'm anti-religion and I'm anti-republican. And I looked at him and said, "Well, yeah, for whatever." I just didn't know what to say really."

When The National Review published their list of the 50 greatest conservative rock songs, this song was at #30. It's also the song Parker singled out when we asked him in 2012 which of his songs were the most commonly misinterpreted. Said Parker, "They decided it was an anti-abortion song. And of course it's a much more questioning song than that. It's a deeply emotional song that is not making any rules for anyone at all. But people do see it that way. I wrote some blogs on my Web site a few years back. One was deeply anti-religion, and the other one was a message to President Obama, which basically I was telling him to tell the Republicans to go f--k yourself. Because that's what they did to Democrats for eight years under Bush. Get with the program, Obama. Don't be wimp. He still hasn't taken my advice yet. But probably a good thing.

Anyway, somebody had a CD table at a gig came up to me and said, 'So you're finished with that conservative kind of thing, are you?' Because they suddenly found out I'm a raving liberal. I'm anti-religion and I'm anti-republican. And I looked at him and said, "Well, yeah, for whatever." I just didn't know what to say really."

Argh, sry

omg @ "Well, yeah"

OMG Richard Jobson!

he's pro-Corbyn and anti-Trump from what i can see in interviews. are we talking a couple of dubious sleeves and album titles with the skids or has he said some other terrible shit?

No, what I was surprised about was that he's the presenter in the Vincent Gallo vid posted above, which you sensibly didn't watch because Vincent Gallo.

ahhh okay i missed that!

The day Jobson should have twatted a rude idiot gobshite on live tv and shit oot!

Ilx righthunt in effect

gotta hunt somethin'

The other thing is the ludicrously low bar of noteworthiness involved

But tbf if I'm not allowed point that out in the rolling rip threads....

"Hates Trump" isn't a good litmus test for checking if a UK musician isn't conservative, most tories do.

^ e.g. Louise Mensch being described as a leftist in the US

The current nightmare Austrian nightmare government still get a lot of mileage out of mocking ze schtoopit Amerikans for electing Trump. Anti-Trump means nothing.

Read "Nazi" for that second "nightmare".

While the Tories are gutting the NHS + all local authority services, killing disableds and maintaining the worst working poverty since the 30's, Trump is handy for some of these big-game hunters to get some hero points on twitter.

The other thing is the ludicrously low bar of noteworthiness involved

No-one mentioned anything about noteworthiness

But tbf if I'm not allowed point that out in the rolling rip threads....

Maybe cos it's a nasty and unnecessary thing to do? Just a thought.

nobody's mentioned the Strawbs yet? maybe the best of all right-leaning bands

lol, what are the politics of the Strawbs?

Cilla Black
Lulu
Lynsey de Paul

think they're all kind of apolitical except one guy who's a pretty clear tory. but 'grave new world' is such a good album it doesn't matter

also wakeman is an active freemason

well they did do that ridiculing the trade unions anthem, lol it was amongst my mums collection of cheap ex-jukebox 45's in the 70's.

Rush

Inspiration for new health care programme: https://politics.theonion.com/justin-trudeau-unveils-plan-to-meet-healthcare-needs-of-1819579890

Seriously, if they leaned right in the 70s, they definitely haven't in a long time, not by US standards for sure: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/6/22/1102317/-Rush-the-Band-on-Rush-Politics-and-Michael-Moore .

with the exception of the main guy and wakeman i got the impression the strawbs werent right wing at all and just as happy to play actual union fundraisers as well as tory party conference

actually it was not the main guy (dave cousins) but bassist john ford who wrote and sang "part of the union." he's had an interesting career, cashing in on psych (elmer gantry's velvet opera), prog (strawbs), even punk (the monks -- not those monks -- who had a regrettable semi-hit called "nice legs, shame about the face.") john ford lives in the US now and sometimes performs at a library near me. he is charming.

The other thing is the ludicrously low bar of noteworthiness involved

Okay then. Noel Gallagher.

the monks -- not those monks -- who had a regrettable semi-hit called "nice legs, shame about the face."

oh jesus christ that song was abominable

Are they the band that (PiL-era) John Lydon ripped to shreds on Jukebox Jury and it turned out they were surprise guests?

maybe? they did have a song called 'johnny b. rotten'

https://www.discogs.com/Monks-Bad-Habits/master/184960

Noel Gallagher can't be right wing he was mates with Blair

The Monks were an English punk band formed in the late 1970s. They were very successful in Canada, where their debut album reached double platinum.

lol waht?

Alan Freeman: ".. and good luck to the boys.. "
Johnny Rotten (as he was, on the show): " Boys? BOYS? They're OLD MEN!!!"

ffs Canadians, explain yourselves!

http://nationalpost.com/entertainment/the-monks-british-punks-that-ruled-canada-and-nowhere-else

Matt otm

"you can't be too strong" is a lot more complex than "anti abortion" and an amazing song

explaining ourselves would ruin the joke

Xpost totally open to being convinced upper missipissippi! I read it as a sort of paternalistic and sentimental way of implying that people who have (and perform) abortions are somehow weak but i am curious about yr gloss

No mention of Moe Tucker?

i should say that i don't necessarily agree w/all the songs sentiments but to me it's pretty clearly a tragedy (to parker) in three parts: the woman, the man (probably the true villain if there is one "go see the boys/They'll laugh when I say, I left it overseas") and the doctor....but it ends with "you decide what's wrong" i don't think he's necessarily trying to put forth an agenda or assign "blame" rather than write a song that's affecting (and pretty brutal)....

I read it as a sort of paternalistic and sentimental way of implying that people who have (and perform) abortions are somehow weak

it's one of those songs i wouldn't necessarily say your interpretation is wrong either!

i guess i read it as ambivalent, though i guess you have to view the entire thing viewing abortion as tragic to some degree, but i don't necessarily see it as advocating a "pro life" political agenda either, to say that i think the song def is interesting and problematic in equal measure but it's a big stretch to put graham parker down in a thread that says he's "right wing" as a result.

Yes well said.

Billy Corgan

Kate Bush

what about that idiot from The Queers

Kate Bush

― kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, February 21, 2018 3:56 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i keep seeing this but where does it stem from??

what about that idiot from The Queers

― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, February 21, 2018 3:57 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well it says "Musicians" whose political sympathies are to the right

Kate praised Theresa may and was attached to a right leaning music festival

ctrl-f eric clapton

Bryan Ferry

John Lydon

Alice Cooper

Elvis

The Blues Traveller guy

Popper has said, "I was a bleeding-heart liberal, until I got a job,"[37] and describes himself as "a libertarian who is a Republican when pushed".[26] Popper summed up his political position by saying "I believe in freedom for markets and freedom for individuals, so I guess that makes me a libertarian."[26]

right! popper! what a weirdo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37kpJdUrWi4

Popper has said, "I was a bleeding-heart liberal, until I got a job,"[37] and describes himself as "a libertarian who is a Republican when pushed".[26] Popper summed up his political position by saying "I believe in freedom for markets and freedom for individuals, so I guess that makes me a libertarian."[26]

― mor frog bs (S-)

who was the idiot who gave john popper a job

A&M Records?

ah, i see the problem. somebody should tell karl that being paid to make captain beefheart's "gimme dat harp boy" briefly relevant again isn't, properly speaking, a "job".

"i was a bleeding-heart liberal until somebody handed me a huge wad of money for being a completely fucking useless white guy"

His harmonica bandoliers probably should have been a tip-off

applebees should sue him for devaluing their brand by continuing to exist

though i guess he could get some sort of medal for his valuable work in fighting amyl nitrate abuse

Speaking of libertarians, a strangely high number of our old buddies from early-1990s MTV seem to be among that milieu: Kurt Loder, Kennedy, Krist Novoselic, Buzz Osborne. Apparently Loder gave Kennedy her first Ayn Rand book (barf).

Smithereens guy also, as noted above

I knew about Krist Novoselic but I didn't know about Buzz Osborne. I guess I assumed because he did 2 albums with Jello Biafra that he would be left wing, but I just googled him and oh dear.

Oh and Billy Corgan, but probably already noted above.

Jason Isbell has clearly stated that he's left.

― aphoristical, Tuesday, February 20, 2018 3:20 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sure. as are most Americana folks I assume. And there are former Country stars who no longer get airplay (Steve Earle, Rodney Crowell, Roseanne Cash) who make no secret of their lefty politics. But the only person calling Trump a fascist at the CMAs was Sturgill Simpson, who was busking in the hallway outside.

Kate praised Theresa may and was attached to a right leaning music festival

― kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, February 21, 2018 5:05 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

to be fair the comment was more of an anodyne "it might be good to have a woman in charge" sort of thing

it's probably surprising that more icons don't turn conservative, given that they are Rich White Ppl of a Certain Age

“We have a female prime minister here in the UK. I actually really like her and think she’s wonderful. I think it’s the best thing that’s happened to us in a long time. She’s a very intelligent woman but I don’t see much to fear. I will say it is great to have a woman in charge of the country. She’s very sensible and I think that’s a good thing at this point in time.”

And on Brexit:

I wonder how she feels about it now, in the context of Brexit. Bush is warm, funny and engaging – and diplomatic on the subject: “Change is such an important part of life. It’s such a different world from even five years ago. A lot of unexpected things have happened this year.”

to be fair the comment was more of an anodyne "it might be good to have a woman in charge" sort of thing

Because the last time we had one in charge was such a delight.

2nd time lucky eh? :p

Strictly speaking TM isn't really in charge

Krist Novoselic a libertarian? wha?

Buzz Osborne being a republican/libertarian is the least surprising thing ever

He kind of plays bass like a libertarian

xp

I wonder what Kate thinks of women having to prove they have been raped so they can support their 3rd child, mind you it's classic "sensible" politics.

xp Ayn Rand was known for slinging her axe very low

Libertarians don't need gov't intervention, they succeed or fail on their own terms.

http://i.imgur.com/3wp7tPK.gif

As someone (NV?) said on here at the time, bush is a posh prog musician who lives in an English country mansion so rightward political leanings aren't exactly a shock

The only unusual thing is her publicly owning it tbh

absolutely shameless tories are still on the gulag list.

yea re: the thing about more famous musicians not being rightwingers... they probably just don't talk about it, or pay lip service the other side

hit me with some Novoselic info. thought he was super left

Goes into some detail on his wiki page. He seems to be all over the map, but recently voted for Gary Johnson, possibly because he's a libertarian, possibly because he likes weed.

The property, set in 17 acres, rests on a cliff edge in rolling countryside near East Portlemouth in South Devon.

In 2007 she installed CCTV cameras, but removed them just hours before a council was due to meet over complaints they overlooked beach-goers in the cove below.

She has also spent much of the past decade campaigning to close a footpath around the house. Her wish was granted after part of it fell into the sea during last year's landslip.

hmm, what a coincidence miss van hoogstraten

lmao

Nice footpath. Be a shame if

Last time we had a thread about right-wing musicians Novoselic came up and people didn't want to believe it then either. But he has come out in support of Citizens United and calls himself an anarcho-capitalist, i.e. hardcore free-market libertarian

And still only the second biggest nob in Nirvana

But the only person calling Trump a fascist at the CMAs was Sturgill Simpson, who was busking in the hallway outside.

― President Keyes, Friday, February 23, 2018 6:26 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

margo price did some slight protesting when she played the npr tiny desk show

xxp aah that makes sense. and yeah i remember the Gary Johnson thing now. oh well it could be worse!

https://static.stereogum.com/uploads/2016/04/the-world-is-a-vampire-640x347.jpg

Etta James

xpost Does Margo Price get played on Country radio, though? I'm not sure she's in danger of getting dropped from npr or wxpn for badmouthing Trump.

i saw novaselic speak at my college once. he was complaining about graffiti and people were booing him. it was funny.

Thanks Katherine, wasn't aware

xxp

uh i would wager sturgill had about one max two songs on the radio

both acts have been dropped from the radio and shunned from the nashville scene but probably had one or two tracks on the radio at one point in their careers

Until I see proof I'm going to keep believing that any Sturgill song that ended up on a mainstream Country radio playlist was put there by someone who was immediately terminated.

Not sure what we're arguing about here. Alt-Country artists, and artists who've been exiled from radio are free to be vocal about left sympathies in ways that Country stars are not.

Thanks Katherine, wasn't aware

She said more than that it might be good to have a woman as leader, though. She said she really likes May, that she's "wonderful" and "sensible".

http://www.macleans.ca/culture/arts/in-conversation-with-kate-bush/

Who was that female singer that sang a tribute song to Ken Livingstone?

I quoted that right beneath Katherine's post tbh xp

So you did.

John Mellencamp, if he hasn't been mentioned yet

Really? I thought the 'Coog was Mr. Farm Aid / pro-union guy? And iirc he was pretty outspoken about hating GWB

How does Mellencamp lean to the right??: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mellencamp#Politics_and_activism

xp

wait a minute wtf am i thinking of someone else? i remember reading something written by either meg ryan or christie brinkley about how they "can't take john anywhere" because he rubs "snobby" celebrities the wrong way and that their "politics don't align"
hmm

I think that was a tabloid piece debunked by Brinkley herself

here

"I don't trust the government. I don't trust the Democrats. I don't trust the Republicans... Really I'm a socialist," Mellencamp says

Iggy Pop voted for Reagan btw:

"I've been waiting for someone who could communicate the joys of liberty as compared to the joys of equality", Iggy Pop in Zigzag magazine, on why he supported Ronald Reagan, quoted in Joe Ambrose, Gimme Danger: The Life and Times of Iggy Pop, Omnibus Books, 2004, p. 199.

i'm thinking dean ween is a republican, not sure why really. gene ween tweets about bernie a lot tho so who knows

also, who cares

oh look the son of a millionaire car dealership owner doesn't like "handouts" or paying taxes

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/02/kid_rock_blends_music_and_poli.html

Not the worst bad music writing in this piece but

He drew largely from his early catalog, including hits like "Devil Without A Cause" and "Only God Knows Why," but also sprinkling his set with more recent editions like "All Summer Long."

These are all mid-period Kid Rock in 2018.

Elvis

― pomenitul, Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:54 PM (five days ago)

elvis said back in 1956 that he was voting for adlai stevenson

I was referring to this: https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2007/oct/13/the10rightwingrockers

The meeting of the King and the President at the White House on 21 December 1970 was initiated by Elvis himself. Presley wrote a long, rambling six-page letter to Nixon, expressing his concern for the country and suggesting he could use his position to help as 'the drug culture, the hippie elements, the SDS, Black Panthers etc do not consider me as their enemy'. Presley also suggested he be made a 'Federal Agent-at-Large' in the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. In their face-to-face meeting, Presley stressed his love of his country and told Nixon he was 'on your side'. He also said he had been studying 'communist brainwashing' and that the Beatles had been 'a real force for anti-American spirit'. Presley gave Nixon a commemorative World War II Colt 45, which the president sent him a thank you letter. The picture of Elvis and Nixon is the most requested item from the US National Archive, more so than the Bill of Rights or the Constitution of the United States.

there's a bad movie about the meeting starring michael shannon as elvis

and spacey as nixon iirc?

i think ascribing a political philosophy to elvis' increasingly pill-addled ramblings might be a stretch

pill-addled ramblings constitute 90% of that "uncool conservative beliefs" thread

lol

There are extremely few musicians who are right wing and who I am or have been interested in - off the top of my head I can think of Bryan Ferry and that's about it. But there are many writers (admittedly not contemporary ones).

NSBM to thread

Regarding the Elvis/Nixon thing, based on Careless Love, just about everything Elvis did from 1972 onward was done on drugs, for drugs. He wanted the badge from Nixon to travel with drugs and guns with impunity. It’s tragic how bad he got.

xpost metal's extreme right/fascism problem has been a hard stumbling block for me since I started listening to it. not just the musicians, man sometimes you're just chilling with a metal fan and then he just drops something anti-Semitic or extremely racist and then looks at you funny when you look at him with a judgmental eye.

I mean, I bought a dirty rap album growing up, and maybe I worried the dude wasn't a good guy and had a rap sheet. I bought a 2nd wave black metal album, I had to worry that I was giving money to dudes who viewed the Third Reich as a "missed opportunity".

A bunch of great conductors and composers were actively involved with the actual Third Reich, although I don't think any of them are still able to collect royalties.

yeah I sold my Li Stadelman bobblehead as soon as I found out

Ha

LL Cool J used to be (not sure if he still is)
Wayne Newton's creepy ass is
Agnostic Front's best album is ignorant as hell

https://www.villagevoice.com/2005/11/03/50-cent-defends-george-w-bush-against-kanye-west/

Connie Francis endorsed Nixon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKMvvPQU38U

but I'm not sure if she recorded this song of her own free will or if was forced into it by her domineering Mafioso dad

*if she was forced into it

Charlie Daniels posts this EVERY DAY

Benghazi ain’t going away!

— Charlie Daniels (@CharlieDaniels) February 26, 2018

Gary Barlow and Tony Hadley

xp

Maybe he's just trying to reassure the Libyans who live there.

I just idly googled Tommy Rock, bubblegum Fowley collaborator, and he has a homemade web site with a MAGA hat on it.

the dudes from Mr T Experience. one of whom wrote very nutbar blog articles in the Dubya era

How has MES gone missing from this entire thread?

Anyway a lot of these sound less like actual political opinions and more like persona-building provocations. As an affectation that douche's opinion on Medicare or whatever is probably doing the same work as his his cigarette holder.

ha yeah that's probably true

the dudes from Mr T Experience. one of whom wrote very nutbar blog articles in the Dubya era

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, March 3, 2018 10:39 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not complaining, I'm just figuring out
How everything left us behind
I got my problems, I'm aware of them
I'll take care of them, never you mind

You're still repeating prerecorded things
They used to say in universities and
Books on left-wing politics and law
About underlying structures that
So far as they mean anything
Still won't support the personal
Connections that you draw

Institutionalized misogyny
That's all that stands between
My baby and me

Whoo!

Now science tells us I'm hardwired to
I'm required to, do it with you
'cause I'm a man, and you're a woman
And that's what those kind of people do

I stole that line from Woody Allen
Isn't it amusing? I wish
I could make you understand
What Woody Allen meant
If there's no such thing as
Objective reality, why can't we quit
Our jobs and just imagine we won't
Have to pay the rent?

Institutionalized misogyny
That's why they're charging rent
To my baby and me

Michelle, ma belle: Ton beau
Michel Foucault
A Foucault dependence
Always ready to go

I think we're alone
I might have known (ooh!)
She's got Chomsky on the phone

Institutionalized misogyny
That's all that stands between
My baby and me
My baby and me
My baby and me

Tobin Sprout of GBV, at the very best bi-conservaturious.

GBV as a whole seem pretty conservative at least with a small c tbh.

A couple of Dictators have lost their minds on social media with their conservative views.

Dick Manitoba has become fiercely Zionist and was anti-Obama, pro-Netinyahu and very pro-Trump. A couple years ago be blocked me on Facebook when I explained why I thought Netanyahu was a neocon warmonger who did not help Israel and pointed out that I did so as a Jew (on mom's side even though dad's last name is far from Jewish) and before he blocked me he sent me a message that I was the kind of jew they threw in the ovens.

Also Ross The Boss is a notorious pro-Trump derp. My run in on Facebook was a little less contentious - he called me a "shitbird" when I said something about Trump he didn't like on a mutual friend's page. I guess it makes more sense when you consider he was in Manowar too.

Manitoba was also recently arrested on charges of third-degree assault, criminal mischief and attempted strangulation, sounds like an all around great guy there.

over the weekend i saw someone on FB mention that sub pop bloke, Eric Matthews, is a Trump supporter and puts crap on his timeline.
they weren't wrong.

his twitter activity is sparse but comes correct with the Ben Garrison and PJW retweets plus this entirely indefensible controp

90's Scott Walker #NeilHannon @ScottWalker https://t.co/NELDr1Q6Kz

— Eric Matthews (@TheEricMatthews) October 7, 2017

jsus that's worse than being alt right

Dick Dale:

And it's not just the music Dale prefers from back in the [1930s]. "Things were much better back then, you didn't have a deficit," he says. "The greedy, money-hungry people that run this government now [May 2016], that's why they don't want Donald Trump near them. They're scared he'll come in and kick out the freeloaders. Trump isn't going to take that crap."

Well that's rich.

that's really sad. i like "it's heavy in here" a lot. :(

Matthews has been garbage for years; he was spouting shit back last decade. So he's just gotten worse.

Yeah, it put me off even getting anything past "Fanfare"

Actually, what put me off more, was when I picked up the album and track 1 was "Fanfare" and track (last) was "Fanfare (reprise)" and I thought "Sounds like only one great track then"

ah that sucks about matthews, i like his stuff...

Dick Dale:

And it's not just the music Dale prefers from back in the [1930s]. "Things were much better back then, you didn't have a deficit," he says. "The greedy, money-hungry people that run this government now [May 2016], that's why they don't want Donald Trump near them. They're scared he'll come in and kick out the freeloaders. Trump isn't going to take that crap."

Well that's rich.

― Sam Weller, Monday, March 5, 2018 4:56 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is so fucking tragic, this is the same guy who's literally out there touring with his declining body because he has no retirement or health care because this country sucks so much, yet he's worried about these fictional "freeloaders"

Yeah and hate to harp on DiNizio but he also crowdsourced his healthcare while simultaneously being libertarian

https://www.gofundme.com/ok2dm0

It's almost as if a social safety net is a good idea

xpost
Yup. Dick is supposedly *doubly* insured but still incurs monthly $3,000 medical bills.

Tobin Sprout of GBV, at the very best bi-conservaturious.

― Van Horn Street, Saturday, March 3, 2018 6:26 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ever since the various FB shares revealed this years ago I've chosen to ignore this fact, kind of like how I ignore it when getting together with similarly minded family. Tobin always reminded me of my Ohio cousins etc. anyway.

xpost considering the shitty coordination policies of lots of plans, that's not surprising (albeit infuriating). Often secondary plans have "non-duplication of benefits" rules so instead of just picking up the rest of the tab, they will only pay the difference between what the primary plan paid, and what the secondary plan would have paid if they had been the primary plan. so that could mean if Plan A (Medicare or whomever) paid 80%, and Plan b normally pays 90%, Plan B only adds an additional 10%.

so you could be paying expensive premiums for two plans and STILL be responsible for 10% of your medical costs, which if you're old and have a chronic ailment that requires any kind of expensive recurring inpatient or outpatient care, can add up to excruciating totals.

Wow that sounds so much better than our communist health system

re: dick dale - that sort of thing reminds me of when people quote william s. burroughs to try and prove how horrible gun control is. people, i don't care how good a book naked lunch is, a guy who shot and killed his wife is not a persuasive argument _against_ gun control.

yeah Matthews is a fucking weirdo. sounds like he's gotten even worse. he friended me on FB at one point (I have no idea why) and I dumped him when he started getting really weird. I mean he's not so much just a conservative but like, a fucking crazy person.

I mean he's not so much just a conservative but like, a fucking crazy person.

― akm, Monday, March 5, 2018 6:51 PM (two minutes ago)

i mean, not to say that all crazy people are conservative, but aren't we at the point where it's safe to say that there are no non-crazy conservatives left in america?

jeff flake? mccain? romney? these guys are conservative and not insane racists.

i mean, they might be the only 3 left, but you know what I'm saying.

man, when you're arguing for _john mccain_ as a sensible and not insane conservative things have gotten pretty fucking bad

michael bloomberg?

Exene Cervenka

& Billy Zoom

I know he's already been mentioned upthread, but wow, Jesse Hughes.

No one mentioned John Maus and Arial Pink? Felt like it'd be crowing too much to do so on the Maus thread. Always knew there was something off there

It's funny how in 2003 this did feel like an oddity and now you can't move for the fuckers.

all the Ariel p/JM stuff is either in their individual threads or lost in one of the monthly politics threads

yeah Ariel Pink got excoriated in some other thread recently, or two even.