stuff that's popular and/or critically lauded now, but will be utterly irrelevant 10 years from now

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here's to looking at you, Sigur Ros and Wilco!

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The Neptunes

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

radiohead!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Missy, Roll Deep, Justin Timberlake, Miss Kittin, Queens Of The Stone Age, Jay-Z.

― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

The Beatles

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

the idea that music needs to be relevant to an imagined future

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i dunno, this "it'll be forgotten in ten years" argument is always a bit of a cop-out. i use it myself sometimes, but as there's no actual way of proving or disproving it without access to a time machine, it generally leads discussions up a dead end. and a lot of records i enjoy were forgotten within a few months by everyone else, so i'm not sure if it matters that much.

but i'll contradict myself by answering your question anyway! I suppose stuff like the libertines and the datsuns will be forgotten soon enough...

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

mitch beat me to it. sort of.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Chunky A

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

mitch and kilian hate fun! *sticks tongue out*

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick Drake

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

The Streets.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

P!nk

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

EMO

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

amen libertines. though they'll probably be admired by someone or other 25 years from now. "they were trying to bring some sense of britishness along when everyone was in thrall to us-style garage. "no, they were just shit. can you pass that dishful of cocaine?"

― matthew james (matthew james), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Absolutely everything you hold dear.

― Nick Mirov (nick), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.bubblegun.com/images/punk1.jpg

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Almost all will be forgotten. There is too much to remember now. Stuff stays relevant by being nostalgic to a large group; we're so framgmented there's no opportunity to build that kind of momentum.

― Mark (MarkR), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

julio hates hating fun

― Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

All r`n`b and UK garage stuff.

― Margus Kiis, Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

But Wilco have already been around for almost 10 years.

― David Allen, Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

the kills will be one of those bands that a 35-year old struggles to recall the name of when talking to some drunk rhythm guitarist in the throes of youth.

― matthew james (matthew james), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

But Wilco have already been around for almost 10 years.

and they still suck!

(nb: this thread inspired by my finally listening to yankee foxtrot hotel, which had to be one of the most boring things i've heard in a long time. why o why is this band lauded?)

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 13 April 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot isn't so bad. I think it was the expectations built by crit-wank hyper-reviews that make it seem relatively dull. In the right mood, it has its moments of weary beauty.

Then again, I like Sigur Rós while everyone else just plain hates them, so don't listen to me.

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

why o why is this band lauded?

Because it pisses off people like you! They're like this generation's Sex Pistols! I AM AN AMERICAN AQUARIUM ANTICHRIST

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

David I'm so glad you remembered to put the accent over the 'o'. It really irritates me when people forget that.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Smashmouth

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

“The Popular formula in this, the aftermath era of such successful British bluesmen as Cream and John Mayall, seems to be: add, to an excellent guitarist who, since leaving the Yardbirds and/or Mayall has become a minor musical deity, a competent rhythm section and a pretty soul belter who can do a good spade imitation. The latest of the British groups so conceived offers little that its twin, The Jeff Beck Group, didn’t say as well or better three months ago…”

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - is that who I think it's about?

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

ie. the Statler Brothers?

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

No, it's Juice Newton.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

so close!

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

plus Page ripped off Beck's version of "You Shook Me" and his "Shapes of Things" guitar solo. The wanker.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

plus he totally ripped off Satan

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

that too.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Popular = Christine Aguilera, Li'l Kim, Creed, 50 Cent

Critically Lauded = Electroclash, the Yeah Yeah Yeahs

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I almost said the Yeah Yeah Yeahs

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

(I would have quoted the entire 1969 Rolling Stone review of Zep's debut album, but all I could find online was a few lines. I've got a print copy around somewhere, though. At any rate, it's not on the RS website because they've changed their official rating of the album to five stars instead of, what was it, one? My point exactly, kids.)

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

try to find Rolling Stone's original review of Nevermind (two stars).

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know how I could forget any of these bands. Except the Yeah Yeah Yeahs (unless they get on MTV soon) and the Libertines (who I simply haven't heard yet). I'd LIKE to forget "Sea Change." And Wilco is headlining the annual free music festival in town this year so I will never forget them (when you live in State College, ALL concerts are memorable).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

this is the baffling line up for the mainstage (the concert is Saturday).

Jimmie's Chicken Shack
Bubba Sparxx
Get Up Kids
Wilco

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Bubba Sparxx seems like he should already be opening for a Vanilla Ice tour.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

he's too busy warming up the crowd in State College for Get Up Kids and Wilco! Funny thing is I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the biggest crowd of them all.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

back off man - he's what trife coulda been

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought Markpitchfork's post was scary.

― Sean (Sean), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Scarily accurate, perhaps -- but since there is still such a thing as top forty, not immediately guaranteed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Climbing the ladder to ride the slive into Utter Irrelevance: Avril Lavigne, Sum 41, Blink 182, Vanese Carlton, Pink (well spotted), Carmen Elektra, Fred Durst, Evanesence, Default, Nickelback, Good Charlotte.

I'd love to say Courtney Love, but her place in the Pantheon of the Untouchable has been sadly secured -- though not because of the "brilliance" of her music, but rather the garish flamboyance of her flagrant obnoxia.

Irrelevant Bands I still Love: The Wonder Stuff, Belfegore, Cop Shoot Cop, Pussy Galore, the Circle Jerks, Mansun, the Wedding Present.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

sliDe......although "slive" sounds better.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

(NB - my opinion on the first Led Zeppelin album is that the fourth is better.)

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Best Zep albums = In Through the Out Door and Houses of the Holy.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"state college" as in "stage college, pa," mr. miccio? and would mr. bubba sparxx be a native of those parts? (if so, he's proof positive as to why Pennsylvania is so aptly nicknamed "Pennsyltucky." if not, just ignore ...)

and wilco doesn't annoy, they just bore. like the bodeans if they were produced by brian wilson or timbaland -- production would be interesting, true, but at the end of the day it's still boring roots-rock. "just 'cause you pour syrup on shit, that doesn't mean you have pancakes," as my Dad would say.

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

My opinion on In Through the Out Door is that Physical Graffiti is better. (S'good, tho.)

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Bubba Sparxxx is from Athens, Ga.

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, that's nuts (though more joyfully so than if you said II or Physical Graffiti). Zoso all the way.

And what defines irrelevance? That the groups annoy Alex in NYC?

And yes, State College, Pa. The least boring town between Pittsburgh and Philly by default.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

but Alex named irrelevant bands he loves! (although I don't think the Wedding Present or Pussy Galore are irrelevant)

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

that would be funny if Bubba Sparxxx really was Ethan Padgett!

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Bubba Sparxxx is from Athens, Ga.

Bubba Sparxxx is my favorite non-pornographic creative entity with more than one X in his name. Basement Jaxx and Alex Cox take second and third place, respectively.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

he garish flamboyance of her flagrant obnoxia

I think you meant to say her sheer star power, Alex. Anyway, I'm suprised you don't admire her ferocity.

― Sean (Sean), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The ferocity of her obnoxiousness at least. And her sheer star power.

― Sean (Sean), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

well, James, all of his NEW irrelevant bands ironically are ones he despises anyway. Which probably reaffirms the silliness of this concept. I mean, all it would take are three Digable Planets fans to make a great album that references them for them to become "relevant" again. Let's see if Big Boi can bring back Billy Ocean.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Get outta my dreams, get into my zeitgeist!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Popular = Christine Aguilera, Li'l Kim, Creed, 50 Cent
Critically Lauded = Electroclash, the Yeah Yeah Yeahs

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), April 13th, 2003.

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I almost said the Yeah Yeah Yeahs
-- James Blount (littlejohnnyjewe...), April 13th, 2003.

I almost said Electroclash.

― David Allen, Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course you did.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

do you really think that Limp Bizkit, Li'l Kim, Creedm or Blink-182 will be all that relevant or popular 10 years for now? i think Alex is OTM -- that he (and me too!) don't like 'em right now is an added bonus.

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Get Up Kids still exist!!

The premise of this thread is definitely flawed, but I think it could've been interesting had we not just started naming pop acts. ANY artist who has more than one major hit is going to remain in the popular consciousness to some degree, even if only in the minds of those who particularly enjoyed their hits. The Neptunes is, like, the worst possible answer to this question, seeing as they've already effected a pretty big shift in pop trends (hello, dancehall!). I don't think it's far from reason to assert that, f'rinstance, the Yoshimi phase couldn't be mostly written out of the Flaming Lips career, or that we won't remember a lot of names from the electroclash scene.

― Adam A. (Keiko), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

do you really think that Limp Bizkit, Li'l Kim, Creedm or Blink-182 will be all that relevant or popular 10 years for now? i think Alex is OTM -- that he (and me too!) don't like 'em right now is an added bonus.

Honestly, I have no idea what the musical climate will be like in 10 years. Who knew that LL Cool J and Kylie Minogue would have hits on the US charts all these years later?

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah yeah yeahs will take along time to get over a cumbersome name. but they'll remain fondly thought of, like siouxie & the banshees ie. people talk about them cos they've got a bird on vocals, but don't actually listen to them beyond the first three tracks of the best of. which'll be a pity.

― matthew james (matthew james), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

people, Bad Company and 38 Special are still on the road. Creed will be (their fans are PYSCHO). Blink 182 definitely will be (those dudes are businessmen!). Limp Bizkit is too fuckin' out there (especially without Wes Borland) to tell...how many people though Neil Young was a living legend AT THE TIME circa Time Fades Away? Cheap Trick circa Heaven Tonight? Weezer circa Pinkerton?

Adam A. is right, you sell five million copies and you WILL be remembered. And Jody's right, who can tell what things will be like in a decade?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

but Bad Company and 38 Special (shit, throw in Lynyrd Skynyrd and REO Speedwagon too) aren't exactly setting fire to the charts nowadays, are they? they might sell out the Kansas State Fair, but does that make them "relevant"?

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

"Relevance" is a stupid concept.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I know a lot of 18 year-olds who know Lynrd Skynrd song lyrics in full.

― Adam A. (Keiko), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the Rolling Stone Nevermind review is actually three stars (if it's the one here). Notice which song they don't even mention.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

rock music

― Keith McD (Keith McD), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Tad, I'm surprised you deigning "setting fire to the charts" as a sign of relevancy. They still show up on the radio, and the catalog sales of these artists ain't bad either. Relevancy should include influence and recognition, shouldn't it? Not just charts afire. Otherwise Sonic Youth NEVER mattered. And there's far too many shitty bands ripping them off for that to be true.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Back in high school Anthony DeCurtis came to town for this Rolling Stone cover display thing (the next night the Interpreters, the Promise Ring -who I thought sounded like Gin Blossom rip-offs..what's emo?, and Jonathan FireEater played for free to promote it). I asked him about the low rating of Nirvana at the q&a and he said "oh, you never know what's going to be important!"

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

see, Anthony DeCurtis agrees! Relevancy is a tricky beast!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

-MTV is geared towards 12-year-olds and as we all know has very little to do with music anyway (yes yes "use other" blah blah)

-The Billboard charts only take commercial radio airplay and sales of new albums into account, and this leaves out used CDs, mp3 downloads, internet radio, etc.

-The CMJ charts are flawed and their veracity is questionable.

So how are we determining "relevance"?

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Did NO ONE notice the inexplicable toss in of Carmen Electra there? I mean, Carmen Electra? Who on earth ever thought she was relevant, besides Prince when he was banging her?

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

her ass will always be relevant

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

And even then, she was only really relevant to his penis.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

and isn't it too soon to tell with these bands? Some of them are only on their first or second albums.

Hey, don't forget that her career isn't over. She and Dave Navarro could join some vet rhythm section for some Buckingham/Nicks action.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I don't care how many albums any of them released, I'm still focusing on Alex being bothered by Carmen Electra.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

he put her next to Fred Durst. Maybe he's flipping through a Rolling Stone from 2001.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i haven't heard anything about carmen electra since her "is she married to dennis rodman or not?" thing from, what was it, 1999?

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Fred Durst will never be forgotten. He's already irrelevant but he will never be forgotten, not as long as there is one breath left in my body to wonder just what's under that damned hat.

Carmen Electra: She's like Jenny McCarthy, but less talented!

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

peep the dome
http://www.limpbizkit.com/uploaded_media/fdfuresized.jpg

don't mention Jenny McCarthy again.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

and peep this! Limp's taking their guitarist search to Japan. My guess is he caught Loudness on Classic VH1 (or read about them on ILM) and smelt the rising zeitgeist.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

My ex-boyfriend's sister looked like Jenny McCarthy.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

from www.markprindle.com:

"J. Lo, Pink, the Backstreet Boys, Puff Daddy, Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears – NONE of these popular celebrities are going to have careers five years from now. Because they appeal to a certain demographic – that of a teenaged girl (or really pansyassed teenage boy). When these fans grow up to be women, they will have no use for their silly old pop stars. And the new batch of young kids will CERTAINLY have no use for them because they’ll be a bunch of old bags, replaced by a new batch of pop stars. These pop stars may think that they’re "artists" who can live large and waste all the money they want, but they’re NOT artists and many of them are going to be bankrupt when the income dries up and nobody buys their godawful shitty albums anymore. Pink is not, and will never be, Madonna. Puff Daddy is not, and will never be, Michael Jackson. These "artists" are today’s equivalent of Debbie Gibson and MC Hammer – but with even LESS creativity. Watch them fail. And LEARN from them. Celebrity is fleeting – don’t pursue it."

― MisterSnrub (Evan), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

But who is our equivalent of Madonna, then? People said the same thing 20 years ago, but switch Pink for Madonna and, I don't know, Marianne Faithfull for Madonna. I don't even like Pink that much but that argument is rub.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

ILM to thread

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway, Debbie Gibson has had a successful Broadway career and MC Hammer has his own ministry. I'm not too worried about them.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

He spent all his money though, that MC Hammer. He let all his friends like live off him, much like me until I saw the MC Hammer story and was like, yo, get the fuck outta my house.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

so then you did watch Hammer fail and learned from him. yet you still pursue ILXor celebrity!

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, anything revival, will all be totally forgotten.

And of course I said electroclash, because it's awful.

― David Allen, Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

So were the Eagles, but they're like the best-selling artists of all time!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally is all bling-bling glamour but has the ass to back it up.

― Sean (Sean), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

speaking about rappers who turn their back on all-that-bling-bling-business and become ministers ...

http://members.aol.com/dubplatestyle/mase.jpg

― yet another excuse to post this Ma$e picture! (llamasfur), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

It really truly depresses me that the Eagles have like the biggest selling album ever. I mean, what, did no one have access to The Man Machine or something? "We are the Robots" is clearly better than "Desperado".

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

all that synth stuff was just a fad

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

If only that guy dating Elaine on Seinfeld made her leave the car whenever "We Are The Robots" came on the radio.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i like the idea of their being some alternate universe, where menschmaschine is the best-selling album of all time, rednecks blaring "we are the robots" out of their pick-ups, yuppies making out to "spacelab," and ted nugent-types learning the lyrics to "the model."

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't wait for the Mojo retrospective on Shed Seven in ten years' time

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, I was totally thinking of that Seinfeld episode, get out of my subconcious, Ant. Can I call you Ant? I think it's more endearing that way.

Oh man, if people made out to "Spacelab", my whole existance would be irrelevant, what goal would I have?

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

When these fans grow up to be women, they will have no use for their silly old pop stars.

Not necessarily. The Monkees reunion tours have been bringing in their old fans in droves. And when the Washington Post ran a dismissive review of one of these shows, they were flooded with angry letters.

― j.lu (j.lu), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

If you can call me Ant, Ally when I call you can I call you Al?

(oh god, now I can't get Chevy Chase out of my head...)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

(oh god, now I can't get Chevy Chase out of my head...)

His lovin' is all you think about?

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone calls me Al, especially my dad cos he's so pissed off secretly that he never had a male child, it's all good.

Taking sides, our universe:

http://www.antshe.org/fame/oprah.jpg

vs. Tad's alternate universe:

http://www.gawth.com/~desolate/dieter.jpg

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

J. Lo, Pink, the Backstreet Boys, Puff Daddy, Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears – NONE of these popular celebrities are going to have careers five years from now. Because they appeal to a certain demographic – that of a teenaged girl (or really pansyassed teenage boy).

But ADULTS like them TOO. Except for Puff Daddy, they all get played on the Adult Contemporary stations. To take one example, Christina Aguilera's "Beautiful" is currently #1 on the Billboard AC charts, keeping company with Phil Collins and Rod Stewart and Santana.

Marketing musicians soley to teen girls (or any other tightly defined demographic) sounds too unambitious for the recording industry -- I mean, why would anyone want to limit themselves to teen girls when they can get their parents' money, too, right?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

That Prindle guy is just an idiot. I don't understand what people like about him but whatever. And JBR nailed it w/ the LL and Kylie citations.

Why does everyone hate the Eagles? I kind of like them but I guess I would.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

that line about the pansyassed teenage boy REALLY bothers me. What's he implying?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:46 (twenty-two years ago)

That you're a pansyass, Ant. You should beat the shit out of him.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I should. To the tune of "Antmusic." And I'm gonna call you Ally, cuz you don't seem like an Al.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

though most of the group's he referenced do make a lot of crap. But hey, in a country where the essential Cher is in the top ten, I don't think we should be so sure these acts won't still be pissing Prindle off 20 years from now.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn, this thread really took off. Anyway, Anthony's just mad because I mentioned Good Charlotte (and because he knows I'm right....they'll be COMPLETELY irrelevant fuckin' FIVE years from now, let alone ten.

But like I said....who gives a damn about relevance? I still listen to loads of bands deemed by popular consensus as irrelevent (New Model Army anyone?). To quote the equally irrelevant Wedding Present: "If the world doesn't understand...then the world has GOT TO LEARN!"

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

"Lady..."

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I kind of like Good Charlotte and still think they're irrelevant now. Say what you like, they're still better than the Eagles. "Take It Easy" makes me want to commit homocide.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

but they'll [the Yeah Yeah Yeahs] remain fondly thought of, like siouxie & the banshees

Preposterous. The Yeah Yeah Yeahs are the prototypical flash-in-the-pan, blin-and-you'll-miss'em band.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally, that Oprah vs. Dieter post brought great profundity to ILM. Be proud.

― Adam A. (Keiko), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

dude, I forgot you mentioned Good Charlotte (which is kinda becoming a nervous tic with you). As Ally noted, the Carmen Elektra reference is MUCH more interesting. Esssplain that one!

Alex, you do realize that bands can surprise you right? I'm wondering if people thought they had the Beastie Boys pegged after Polly Wog Stew. Or after Licensed To Ill. Or commercial bankrupt after Paul's Boutique. I'll admit the Yeah Yeah Yeah's are thoroughly unexciting on their first EP, but who knows what major label cash and higher stakes will inspire in them?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 April 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why "irrelevant" = "bad."

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought Markpitchfork's post was scary.

My own misguided stab at relevance, perhaps. Actually I was thinking mostly about the underground -- I think less popular underground stuff is going to lose value faster than similarly situated music from the past b/c there's just so much of it now. Whatever the 90s equivilant of Big Star is, it's not going to be re-discovered by listeners 20 years from now.

― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I mentioned Carmen Elektra because she represents a huge slice of popular culture that is haplessly and inexplicably romanced by the ridiculous. I mean, beyond the obvious T&A factor -- why do people give a fuck about her? I don't understand why, say, the E! Channel devotes who programs to her -- I just don't.

Alex, you do realize that bands can surprise you right?

I'm fully aware of it, Anthony. Who would've predicted that, say, the Catherine Wheel would've made it past one album? But, be that as it may -- Good Charlotte are not going to be one of those bands. Despite your inevitable protests to the contrary, they have precious little going for them in the way or character, originality, style or substance. That doesn't mean you should stop listening to them, but just don't bother expecting a box set from them in a decade's time.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark, then how do you explain the growing esteem an album like Pinkerton has? Or Drive Like Jehu's Yank Crime?

thanks for the warning, Alex. I was just about to cut "GC 4 EVA" into my arm right below my "Starland Vocal Band" tatoo.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why "irrelevant" = "bad."

I mean, fine, popular taste is fickle and the edgy style mags are full of shit; we all know that; what else is new?

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

If anyone knows of the original LZ or Nevermind reviews on the net (a quick search on Google didn't turn anything up), I'd love to read them.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"Starland Vocal Band"

Man, for all the shit the SVB take, they sure have gotten a LOT of mileage out of that one song.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, in essence, "Relevance" is relative. Relevant to whom? I'm guessing relevant to popular culture in an engaging and form-shifting manner....i.e. an ingredient to the stew which defines or forges a new trajectory.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why "irrelevant" = "bad."

Irrelevant music is often far better than relevant music. I mean, in what way are Adam and the Ants relevant, unless being on VH1 Classic a lot counts as relevancy? I'd much rather listen to "Piccasso Visits the Planet of the Apes" than, like, "Tomorrow Never Knows" though. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I listen to virtually no relevant music at all!

Oh, and I'm very proud of Oprah v. Dieter. It's a question that no one seems willing to answer, but I think it stands self-evident which universe is superior. "He is beautiful and angular!"

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

If we're going on zeitgeist alone, that makes the seemingly ubiquitous Steven Tyler the most relevant guy in rock 'n' roll.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

HE IS!!! HE IS!!! I CAN TOTALLY STAND BY THAT, even though it's been nothing but crap from him since they went back to Columbia Records. Steven Tyler is the man. Scary, but the man.

Let's figure out what stuff that was popular or critically lauded ten years ago is utterly irrelevant now.

the top 10 albums ten years ago:
Whitney Houston, The Bodyguard
Kenny G, Breathless
Eric Clapton, Unplugged
Spin Doctors, Pocket Full Of Kryptonite
LL Cool J, 14 Shots To The Dome
Depeche Mode, Songs Of Faith And Devotion
Sting, Ten Summoner's Tales
Snow, 12 Inches Of Snow
Dr. Dre, The Chronic
Silk, Lose Control

the top ten singles ten years ago:
Snow, Informer
Silk, Freak Me
Dr. Dre, Nuthin But A "G" Thang
Whitney Houston, I Have Nothing
Jade, Don't Walk Away
Vanessa Williams/Brian McKnight, Love Is
Ugly Kid Joe, Cat's In The Cradle
Spin Doctors, Two Princes
SWV, I m So Into You
Shai, Comforter

Pazz'n'Jop Poll Best albums of 1993
1. Liz Phair: Exile in Guyville
2. Nirvana: In Utero
3. PJ Harvey: Rid of Me
4. The Breeders: Last Splash
5. Pet Shop Boys: Very
6. Dr. Dre: The Chronic
7. Jimmie Dale Gilmore: Spinning Around the Sun
8. De La Soul: Buhloone Mindstate
9. U2: Zooropa
10. Digable Planets: Reachin' (A New Refutation of Time and Space)

Pazz'n'Jop Top Ten Singles of 1993
1. The Breeders: "Cannonball"
2. Digable Planets: "Rebirth of Slick (Cool Like Dat)"
3. Nirvana: "Heart-Shaped Box"
4. Dr. Dre: "Nuthin' but a `G' Thang"
5. Salt-n-Pepa: "Shoop"
6. Radiohead: "Creep"
Soul Asylum: "Runaway Train"
8. The Juliana Hatfield 3: "My Sister"
9. Urge Overkill: "Sister Havana"
10. Ice Cube: "It Was a Good Day"/"Check Yo Self"

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

RUNAWAY TRAIN???!

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

The critics have spoken! I'm more surprised how well Juliana Hatfield did.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Though it should be note that the Billboard stuff is from THIS WEEK 10 Years ago while the Pazz'n'Jop thing covers the whole year. I'm gonna try and find what albums and singles did the best over the entire year.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Informer was a great song.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

that list reminds me how much more i liked Salt 'n' Pepa back in their "Push It" days than their "shoop"/"what a man"/"let's talk about sex" days.

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

shoop fuckin rocks. I just put it on a mixtape the other day. mmm mmm mmm, for the smell of it!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Whitney Houston, The Bodyguard
Kenny G, Breathless
Eric Clapton, Unplugged

Still big sellers.

Spin Doctors, Pocket Full Of Kryptonite

They changed their name to the Dave Matthews Band.

LL Cool J, 14 Shots To The Dome

He's still on the charts.

Depeche Mode, Songs Of Faith And Devotion

Very influential group.

Sting, Ten Summoner's Tales

The OTHER most relevant guy in rock 'n' roll.

Snow, 12 Inches Of Snow

Novelty rap will NEVER go out of style.

Dr. Dre, The Chronic

Beloved by college students.

Silk, Lose Control

This was an R&B thing, right? OK, well, it's probably relevant to somebody.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:27 (twenty-two years ago)

WHy do college students love anything referencing weed? Even the non-pot head college students, all they listen to is The Chronic and Cypress Hill and Phish.

Silk would be relevant to Chris V, what do I win?

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Limp's taking their guitarist search to Japan.

"I'm sorry, Mr. Durst, but we couldn't find anybody in America willing to be your whipping boy as you sling your ego around in overcompensating fits of testosterone-addled idiocy."

"Then we take the search elsewhere! Now fuck off and get me my cocaine."

WHy do college students love anything referencing weed?

This is a bit like asking why ten-year-old boys love anything that references fart jokes.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

then why have the Kottonmouth Kings not sold? They talk about weed and sound like ass! ho ho!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Urge Overkill: "Sister Havana"

BTW, I've been listening to Saturation quite a bit these past few months. It's amazing to me that "Sister Havana" was a big hit in 1993. ZZ Top riffs and fur coats -- that's so 2002!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Fred Durst is definitely not a cokehead, he's way too much of a pussy for even that.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

"Sister Havana" really wasn't much of a hit commercially. Sadly.

can't you people leave Fred alone? btw, the new Limp single is called "Crack Addict." But it ain't about the drug, it's about how he's addicted to CRACKIN' SKULLZ!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I know, I know, grammys, but I always find this list interesting:

(years are a little fucked up...it's the year they won in, the year they won for is the year before.)

Norah Jones [ 2003 ]
Alicia Keys [ 2002 ]
Shelby Lynne [ 2001 ]
Christina Aguilera [ 2000 ]
Lauryn Hill [ 1999 ]
Paula Cole [ 1998 ]
LeAnn Rimes [ 1997 ]
Hootie & The Blowfish [ 1996 ]
Sheryl Crow [ 1995 ]
Toni Braxton [ 1994 ]
Arrested Development [ 1993 ]
Marc Cohn [ 1992 ]
Mariah Carey [ 1991 ]
Milli Vanilli (revoked) [ 1990 ]
Tracy Chapman [ 1989 ]
Jody Watley [ 1988 ]
Bruce Hornsby & The Range [ 1987 ]
Sade [ 1986 ]
Cyndi Lauper [ 1985 ]
Culture Club [ 1984 ]
Men At Work [ 1983 ]
Sheena Easton [ 1982 ]
Christopher Cross [ 1981 ]
Rickie Lee Jones [ 1980 ]
A Taste Of Honey [ 1979 ]
Debby Boone [ 1978 ]
Starland Vocal Band [ 1977 ]
Natalie Cole [ 1976 ]
Marvin Hamlisch [ 1975 ]
Bette Midler [ 1974 ]
America [ 1973 ]
Carly Simon [ 1972 ]
The Carpenters [ 1971 ]
Crosby, Stills & Nash [ 1970 ]
Jose Feliciano [ 1969 ]
Bobbie Gentry [ 1968 ]
--- [ 1967 ]
Tom Jones [ 1966 ]
The Beatles [ 1965 ]
The Swingle Swingers [ 1964 ]
Robert Goulet [ 1963 ]
Peter Nero [ 1962 ]
Bob Newhart [ 1961 ]

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Clinic.

― Mean Guy, Monday, 14 April 2003 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Fred's is the type of guy who will eventually let himself be photographed with white powder around his nose, but on further review it will be powdered sugar from the donuts he's bound to be pounding.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

and WHAT is wrong with eating donuts?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

on further review it will be powdered sugar from the donuts he's bound to be pounding.

Ned, I know you meant eating but that's not the mental image this sentence conjures up.

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

heee heee, now I'm glad he put that.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

When Fred makes donuts, every tenth one comes out glazed.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I like to think about Justin Timberlake's "Cry Me A River" in the context that it's about him, Britney, and Fred Durst. I can just see Fred grabbing Justin and telling him he fucked his girl.

PS Dan Perry to thread!

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

All I have to say is that Donut Bitch might have to fear when "the Limp" comes to town.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Only in a universe like P&J could Liz Phair be ranked above Dr. Dre... Rock crits got no balls!

Anyway, the other half of the equation in the thread title was "critically lauded," and ya know what? I don't think anything that's critically lauded will be looked at mockingly in a decade. Mainly cuz the music crit world is so insular and self-affirming that they would never allow a previously held critical consensus to be overturned. So even though, say, The Soft Bulletin's as dull as it gets, it'll be turning up in Blender's next 500 ALBUMS YOU MUST OWN LIST (tho, that will probably be in, like, two weeks or something). I really can't imagine there being many major rewrites of today's rock canon, mainly cuz everyone is so conscious of it NOW. People are evaluating records on how they will sound in a decade, not how they sound right now. And fucking artists are making records thinking the same thing! And they wonder why they bore us!!!!!!!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

hey Ally, wouldn't it be better to imagine the video with Fred as Justin, Justin as the Britneyclone and Britney as the anonymous makeout girl?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

ESPECIALLY for the image of Fred watching Justin shower.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The Beatles [ 1965 ]
The Swingle Swingers [ 1964 ]

Greatest one-two punch in rock history.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

At long last it would be something both Fred and Justin have done that would actually be worth my attention. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Ohhhhh, so the grammy's being totally out of touch isn't a new thing. Okay.

― David Allen, Monday, 14 April 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

People are evaluating records on how they will sound in a decade, not how they sound right now.

This is spot on, actually.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, maybe some people like to fall asleep right now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

roofie?

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever does the job.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

All I have to say is that Donut Bitch might have to fear when "the Limp" comes to town.

They came through here just a couple weeks ago, to play at Wrestlemania, I believe.

― JS Williams (js williams), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

As he went to a Rocket From the Crypt show last night, I have confidence that DB survived this recent tragedy.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:06 (twenty-two years ago)

But "the Limp" gave him a limp, yes yes?

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

The smile on his face might actually be a grimace.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

If only "the Limp" was akin to "The Stroke".

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

The Billy Squier revival is NOW.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

That song is even better than Informer, no shit.

I really wish I was saying all of this ironically, actually.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

No you're not (because in this case you're quite right). Was Billy Squier the Andrew WK of his day (but actually good)?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

more like the White Stripes.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:22 (twenty-two years ago)

You might be onto something there.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i would kill to see Andrew WK in Billy Squier-style parachute pants!

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

In the video for "The Stroke," he also had a long-haired unconventional (all those sticktwirls!) drummer with noteworthy breasts. Except he was male.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The White Trannies.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

ANDREW WK IS GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

There is a vital flaw with the verb in your statement.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I received an Andrew WK xmas card this year.

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

"the stroke"? U R ALL GAY! THE billy squier songs were "rock me tonite" and "christmas is the time to say i love you." nothing but pure parachute-pants bliss!

howsabout an Andrew WK xmas album?

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I received an Andrew WK xmas card this year.

Now I admit him as Santa Claus would reintroduce some proper terror into the holiday.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh fuck! I make the groundbreaking insight that Billy Squier is just like the White Stripes (can't wait for Jack to write his "Rock Me Tonight") and y'all gotta talk about the Bruce Springsteen with Keanu Reeves' brain?

ok, maybe that wasn't such an amazing insight (Led Zep wanna-be vs. Led Zep Wanna-be) but STILL, more interesting than Mr. Party.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

If anyone knows of the original LZ or Nevermind reviews on the net (a quick search on Google didn't turn anything up), I'd love to read them.

I found the LZ review and scanned it in. Your browser might resize the image -- just expand it and you'll be able to read it fine.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah but the White Stripes don't have an album cover with blood dribbling out of their gobs, Ant.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i also like the idea of andrew wk singing "ave maria" or "o holy night"

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

more interesting than Mr. Party.

Yes, but so is breathing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe they can do one with Meg having red stuff dribbling out of her gob and Jack with white stuff...

anyhow, that Led Zep review was done by John Mendlessohn (however you spell it), who wasn't very popular with his peers. Xgau notes in his Zep essay in Grown Up All Wrong that aside from Rolling Stone (esp. Mendellsohn) critics dug Zep, they just didn't think they were ALL THAT, which pissed fans off.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Fred agrees with you Ned, hence the "breathe in! breathe out!" command on "Rollin'." Possibly the only dance song to incorporate breathing into the moves. As I said before, great for the gym.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, I'm going to throw up the 40 twizzlers I just ate, thanks for the image of Jack dribbling white from his mouth.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

That's Fred talking to himself in the mirror to remind himself to breathe, you realize. He's also got an invisible ink tattoo on his forehead that appears in his custom made black light fixture for his bathroom that tells him to shave and brush his teeth.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

you know, fer some reason i thought that review was something Jon Mendelssohn wrote. i remember in his Kinks book, that he said that Led Zeppelin threatened him from onstage for his bad reviews of their albums.

that said, i enjoyed Mendelssohn's liner notes from kinks kronikles and the kinks book (also called kinks kronikles).

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I know, but that review became the Official Stance From the Rock Mag of Record. (Until they backpedaled years later and changed their stance on that album.)

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Mendelsohn's criticisms of the album are pretty much OTM.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

True dat (both posts). And the review gives a great anecdote for bands like Creed ("someday we'll get respect...critics never liked Led Zep either!"). Curious if Creed IV will inspire the massive turnaround they're expecting (doubt it).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

you folks should subscribe to rock's backpages -- they gots all those RS/Creem/TrouserPress/etc reviews archived on the web. i once spent a day reading lenny kaye's old pieces -- uniformly great!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

If it were free I'd subscribe. Otherwise, that's what microfilm collections are for!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"Liiiiiiiiiiisa, we've got periodicaaaaals, on miiiicrofiiiiche!"

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)

True. I probably wouldn't pay for a subscription either, but it really is fun to read.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)

What is important here folks, and what you are all overlooking, is the one thing that truly makes music relevant e.g. ten years from now there will be a filmmaker in the school of Mike Judge, or Wes Anderson, or Cameron Crowe, and he or she will be sitting down sketching out how a film is going to look and feel, and he or she will pick an album from this era, or perhaps the 1993 era, and THAT, my friends, is the music that will be relevant a decade or more from now, and THAT is what we will remember, because we will go see this film in theaters or on DVD or whatever crazy medium we're using in 2013, and we will join our peers in thinking 'hey, that was an excellent song, I wish I still had that one, let's buy the soundtrack, yippee'.

Alternatively they could be Adam Sandler, and it will be the 2013 remake of The Wedding Singer. But you get the idea. What Yanc3y said about planet rockcrit.

And Tad's alternate universe - I've been there, and you would not believe how expensive everything is. People from the Tennessee mountains talk with scottish accents, and there's no smoking anywhere except the toilets.

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks, Millar, now I'm imagining a soundtrack consisting of selections from Stone Temple Pilots' Core and that 4 Non Blondes album.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

People from the Tennessee mountains talk with scottish accents, and there's no smoking anywhere except the toilets.

Oh, so New York, then.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

If we're using The Wedding Singer 2013 to judge recent music, then Celine Dion and Mariah Carey RULE!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

"There...you are...like a throbbing star..."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Mendelsohn on Robert Plant: "He may be as foppish as Rod Stewart, but he's nowhere near as exciting."

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps Mendelsson can be cut some slack for not sensing the particular greatness that the Zeppelin would become on their first album, which is admittedly not their most distinctive work, although if he kept up his sniping for the later work, he really must have been clueless - particularly for statements such as calling Page "a writer of weak, unimaginative songs".

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, Yanc3y, the OST for TWS looks a bit diff:

1. Video Killed the Radio Star - Presidents of the United States of America
2. Do You Really Want to Hurt Me - Culture Club
3. Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic - The Police
4. How Soon Is Now? - The Smiths
5. Love My Way - The Psychedelic Furs
6. Hold Me Now - Thompson Twins
7. Everyday I Write the Book - Elvis Costello
8. White Wedding - Billy Idol
9. China Girl - David Bowie
10. Blue Monday - New Order
11. Pass the Dutchie - Musical Youth
12. Have You Written Anything Lately?
13. Somebody Kill Me - Adam Sandler
14. Rapper's Delight [Medley] - Ellen Albertini Dow

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

But you left out the best part of that quote, Jody: "...especially in the higher registers". If he was talking about hairstyles he might have a point.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

well, seeing as i am a pretty heavy smoker i think that in the Tad alternate universe you wouldn't have to sneak off to the john to get a puff (notwithstanding the foregoing, shit, wee and/or other bodily excretions in toilet areas + cigarette smoke = DISGUSTING).

shit will still be expensive, though. buy cheap, get cheap and all that.

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The Wedding Singer soundtrack is actually good, though that rapping grandma makes me want to blow up the earth.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, I love those letter replies they print after the Mendehlson review: "Sirs: If I used your record reviews as a guide to my personal record purchases, I would have the worst pile of garbage in the history of record collecting" is classic.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

The Wedding Singer soundtrack is actually good, though that rapping grandma makes me want to blow up the earth.

My point, see. Maybe the question should really be 'What song will the old lady be singing in Wedding Singer 2013?'

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

First line of Mendelsohn's Led Zeppelin II review: "Hey, man, I take it all back!"

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

(I'm serious.)

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's a very admirable quality in a critic to be able to admit mistakes. Now just tell me that he liked the Eagles and he'll be fully reinstated to my good graces.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Admirable, yeah. Fishy-smelling, too.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hey, man, I take it all back!" = the greatest thing ever written in RS.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I do not wish to doubt JBR's claim but I must see proof.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

All reviews should open with a salutation. Hi! Hey man! Yo! Check it out!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Peep this! Duuuuuuuuude....

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe the on-stage threats from John Bonham had something to do with it. (hard to imagine anyone feeling physically threatened by Robert Plant or Jimmy Page -- unless Jimmy threatened to stab him with his heroin needle or something.)

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll scan that review tomorrow, along with the reviews for III and IV.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

fishy-smelling if the change of heart's due to a critical consensus trumping yr own, but really great if it's due to genuinely changing yr mind (something everyone does all the time...)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:20 (twenty-two years ago)

(III and IV reviewed by Lester Bangs and Lenny Kaye, respectively)

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't imagine LB liking LZ, though i could be wrong. (jbr?)

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I love that review. It's interesting to read an objective, de-hypified (yes, de-hypified) review of an album that would later become deified to the point that saying anything negative about it was blasphemy.

― David Allen, Monday, 14 April 2003 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't imagine LB liking LZ, though i could be wrong. (jbr?)

In the review he admits to having mixed feelings towards the group, although he's fairly positive about the record.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

That Grammy list is so solidly mediocre it's breathtaking. Does the Academy just have really atrocious taste, or is winning the Best New Artist Grammy some kind of kiss of death that dooms its recipients to a career of third-tier striving?

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

You mean like those third-tier strivers the Beatles, the Carpenters, and Marvin Hamlisch?

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't speak for Hamlisch, whom I'm completely unfamiliar with, but the Beatles thing was a cheat anyway, since they were pretty well established by 1965 anyway.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Judging by AMG, it looks like Hamlisch's big claim to fame is composing the score to The Sting, and since the best thing about that score was written by Scott Joplin a hundred years ago, I see little reason to suppose that Hamlisch was really all that.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.mfiles.co.uk/Composers/Marvin-Hamlisch.htm

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Marvin Hamlisch was just in "How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days" shockah! (not really)

― Carey (Carey), Monday, 14 April 2003 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree entirely with Mark's sentiments... Especially in terms of underground music, but I tend to think it's relevant across the board. Very, very little of the music being made today will ever be a phenomenon along the lines of the VU (as a single "underground" example), or even (*shudder*) Led Zeppelin. There's simply _too much_ now, and so much that's already been done.

All revivalism, in particular, has no choice but to be relegated to the status of "also-rans" as soon as the public is properly refreshed in their remembrance of whatever sound happens to be "revived". Once people tire of it the second time 'round, it'll just move to the back of the line after the acts they were all recalling in the first place.

― Eric Carr (Immanuel Kant), Monday, 14 April 2003 07:03 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is silly

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 April 2003 08:51 (twenty-two years ago)

elaborate...

― Cecil Kittens (Cecil), Monday, 14 April 2003 08:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll scan that review tomorrow, along with the reviews for III and IV.

II
III
IV

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

It became silly about the time when I brought up The Man Machine.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I blame it all on Marvin Hamlisch.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Paging through the latest Rolling Stone....here are some future casualties of the Scythe of Irrelevance:

- John Mayer (and a lot sooner than ten years)
- Linkin Park
- Norah Jones
- AFI
- Fischerspooner
- System of a Down
- Matchbox Twenty....wait, they're ALREADY irrelevant!
- Dashboard Confessional

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

- Matchbox Twenty....wait, they're ALREADY irrelevant!

b-b-but Rob Thomas sings on the best-selling single of all time!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah.....so?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

- John Mayer (and a lot sooner than ten years)

This statement is a wonderland, etc.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah.....so?

So he's obviously extremely "influential" to a lot of consumers!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Consumers are sheep. They live to be sheared, slaughtered and eaten.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

So do my coworkers and you don't see me actually doing it, Custos.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

That sentence is a little confusing...
Please explain.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

bands that are really good live, but suck on recordings

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Do my coworkers!
um...all of them?
You don't see me actually doing it, Custos?
Yes, Ally. I see you doing it. I have a camcorder! I can watch you doing it anytime I want now.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Consumers are sheep. They live to be sheared, slaughtered and eaten.

Fuckin' AMEN!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, Alex...I'll bring the marinade and the mint jelly if you bring the charcoal briquettes and some lighter fluid...

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It's on!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 April 2003 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Consumers are sheep.

Dude, I agree, but that's not what this thread's about. :-)

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 April 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I DON'T DO ANY OF THESE PEOPLE, THEY'RE FILTHY BEGGARS, THANKS. Anyway, Custos, they've fired the majority of attractive women in my office, we used to resemble a modelling agency but for some inexplicable reason they did away with that hiring practice. I mean, if you're going to hire extrodinarily incompetent people, you really should hire extremely attractive ones, at least.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks for the scans, JBR -- indeed he does say it. But I'm almost more taken with the letters from "John's Groupie" and "The Cretin."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 April 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Everything that is already 20-30 years old will definitely still be considered important 10 years old.

There are some of today's acts, though, that will definitely not be particularly remembered in 10 years, and I would say White Stripes, Hives and Strokes are the most obvious examples.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:28 (twenty-two years ago)

No need even mentioning that this entire "contemporary R&B" thing will of course be long forgotten in 2013 btw.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Btw, the reason why Strokes, White Stripes or Hives won't survive:

- They aren't particularly innovative, and will not be able to earn a place in history as innovators.

- Then you are stuck with the fact that a lot of non-innovative bands (in fact they are usually better than the innovators, musically that is) are still able to earn themselves a place in history simply because they write good songs that keep being played on the radio for generations to come, i.e. the "Yesterday" type. But Strokes, Hives or White Stripes don't do that either.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:39 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

Revive!

That Led Zeppelin II review is the stupidest goddamn record review I've ever read. Man does that John Mendelsohn fellow REALLY REALLY want to be as cool as Lester Bangs!

Rolling Stone in never-any-good-at-all-not-even-back-in-the-day-when-they-were-supposed-to-be-really-really-hip shocka!!

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 22 November 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought it was kind of funny actually although obviously dated. I liked the parts about the 'cleverness' of the lemon line and watching B-movies to "WLL". And the drugs. It's the LB one that weirds me out. Even to a non-fan in 1970 I can't imagine how all of LZIII could sound the same! Especially to a Stooges fan! It must be one of the most eclectic albums of the genre. Still, I'm glad he liked "That's the Way". I always knew he was a wuss at heart.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 22 November 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, I'm assuming Mendelssohn hated LZII. If he liked it, then the review stinks.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Novocain. HAHAHAHA. It must be a pisstake.

― Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I might add (and forgive me if I'm wrong, because I'm too young to remember) but did anyone who was into rock music think JOHNNY CASH was RELEVANT in the 1980s?

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Irrelevant Bands I still Love: ...... Belfegore (YAY! - ed.)
, .........

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), April 13th, 2003.

― Pangolino (ricki spaghetti), Monday, 22 November 2004 05:49 (twenty-one years ago)

seventeen years pass...

this "it'll be forgotten in ten years" argument is always a bit of a cop-out. i use it myself sometimes, but as there's no actual way of proving or disproving it without access to a time machine

Here's the time machine (nine years late)! These are the acts that are mentioned in the thread:

Sigur Ros and Wilco!
The Neptunes
radiohead!
Missy, Roll Deep, Justin Timberlake, Miss Kittin, Queens Of The Stone Age, Jay-Z.
The Beatles
stuff like the libertines and the datsuns
Nick Drake
The Streets.
P!nk
EMO
All r`n`b and UK garage stuff.
the kills
Smashmouth
Popular = Christine Aguilera, Li'l Kim, Creed, 50 Cent
Critically Lauded = Electroclash, the Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Avril Lavigne, Sum 41, Blink 182, Vanessa Carlton, Carmen Elektra, Fred Durst, Evanescence, Default, Nickelback, Good Charlotte.
J. Lo, the Backstreet Boys, Puff Daddy, Britney Spears
Shed Seven
Clinic
White Stripes, Hives and Strokes
this entire "contemporary R&B" thing

Here's the top ten from the 2003 Pazz and Jop poll; the number in brackets is where the album is placed in the best of 2003 list on Acclaimed Music, a more contemporary perspective:

1. OutKast: Speakerboxxx/The Love Below (2)
2. The White Stripes: Elephant (1)
3. Fountains of Wayne: Welcome Interstate Managers (30)
4. Radiohead: Hail to the Thief (7)
5. Yeah Yeah Yeahs: Fever to Tell (5)
6. The Shins: Chutes Too Narrow (4)
7. New Pornographers: Electric Version (31)
8. Basement Jaxx: Kish Kash (33)
9. Drive-By Truckers: Decoration Day (26)
10. Dizzee Rascal: Boy in Da Corner (3)

― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 17:28 (three years ago)

I still like all of those, but I haven't heard half of them in maybe a decade.

― birdistheword, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 17:37 (three years ago)

I guess I should rephrase that as "I still like all of those in theory" since I should revisit the ones I haven't heard lately.

― birdistheword, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 17:38 (three years ago)

more like Ach! Lame! Music

― a spectre is haunting your mom (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 17:38 (three years ago)

NV - will you be here all week?

― sarahell, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 18:09 (three years ago)

only if people are ready to laugh

― a spectre is haunting your mom (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 18:11 (three years ago)

I live to laugh

― sarahell, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 18:19 (three years ago)

Well for stuff mentioned in this topic that I don't even know at this point:
Miss Kittin, the datsuns, Shed Seven

― MarkoP, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 18:51 (three years ago)

Roll Deep

― MarkoP, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 18:54 (three years ago)

I know Sigur Ros and the Libertines, but they're kind of irrelevant now

― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 19:06 (three years ago)

I still stan for the Sigur Ros parentheses album.

― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 19:52 (three years ago)

Relevancy is ridiculous anyway. I just mean that the last album of their I heard about was Takk and they've released about 8 albums since then apparently.

― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 19:56 (three years ago)

am I correct in thinking the Beatles had a much bigger year this past year than they did 18 years ago?

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 19:58 (three years ago)

it's their 70th Jubilee iirc

― a spectre is haunting your mom (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 19:59 (three years ago)

The Wrens just came to mind - I can't even remember any of their songs anymore, but 2003's Meadowlands got a lot of love back then, didn't it? Man, the music culture of 2003 feels ancient now.

― birdistheword, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 20:03 (three years ago)

The Beatles might've had a bigger year in 2003 because of the complete Nagra tapes for the Get Back/Let It Be sessions leaking in January, then Let It Be...Naked being released in the fall (though it was widely criticized as revisionism, etc.)

I guess this year has Paul and Ringo touring with Paul's tour making a ton of dough.

― birdistheword, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 20:06 (three years ago)

Wrens were a punchline (especially around here) until recently, with the whole next album almost releasing/surprise solo release/break up drama putting them back into headlines.

― Evan, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 20:11 (three years ago)

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