This is where we ask people to reccomend releases as good starting points for a band, based on our individual tastes

Acid Mothers Temple-Pataphysical Freak out, etc.
Flaming Lips-The Soft Bulletin (for the sounds, rather than the melodies)
Rovo-Imago
Manitoba-Up In Flames
PATE-Mo Psycho

I basically want something with interesting sounds, and a little more challenging than some of the stuff above, Acid Mothers without the fear, maybe?

Air - 10,000hz the Legend
Gorky's Zygotic Mynci - Barafundle / An introduction to... / 20
Fourtet - Pause
Schneider TM - Zoomer
Arcturus - La Masquerade Infernale
Electric Wizard - Dopethrone

meh, not too sure though

Dog Latin, I've never heard of those last two - what are they?

Kilian - your turn, then!

Electric Wizard is doom/stoner stuff. Probably not what you're looking for at all actually.

for an idea of their current direction maybe yes but this is probably their worst album thus far, inlcuding The Virgin Suicides soundtrack.

You might like: Parson Sound, Can's Tago Mago, recent Boredoms, Agitation Free's Malesch, the first two Kraftwerk records, Faust's 71 Minutes

I don't own any dancemuzik (not really), considering I love:

Can - Tago Mago
David Bowie - Diamond Dogs
Feelies - Crazy Rhythms
Modest Mouse - the Lonesome Crowded West
La Düsseldorf - Viva
16 Horsepower - Sackcloth 'n' Ashes

(i do dance to these records, though!)
what dance should I discover first?

Elvis Costello - This Year's Model. Forget about the borderline-tweeness of My Aim is True, and forget about the Cute Hitler metaphors of Armed Forces. This one gets everything right. His only great album.

Early- A Certain Ratio
Can't help but think "Remain in Light" also, which you probably already own.

You could do worse than pick one of the many Fabric or Fabriclive compilations as they all seem to represent a different style of dance on each one. I've been digging the Radioactive Man compilation for some time now and I'm still not bored of it.

Sorry to interrupt..

Antipop Consortium - Arryhthmia
Talib Kweli - Quality
Pocket Dwellers - Digitally Organic
RJD2 - that newish one
Mix Master Mike - Spin Psycle
k-os - the Exit

some things that I've been told I should like, but didn't:
Roots
Common
El-P
Jurassic 5 (actually, I kinda liked it, but they seem to be to rap what Lenny Kravitz is to rock, not necessarily a bad thing, in fact can be a lot of fun, but not all that, or whatever the term currently is)

Can - Monster Movie
Cluster - Zuckerzeit
Harmonia - Deluxe
Kraftwerk - Trans Europe Express
La Dusseldorf - La Dusseldorf
Moebius (+ Plank) - Rastakrautpasta
Neu! - Neu 75
Roedelius - Jardin au Fou
Michael Rother - Flammende Herzen

heh, don't. PSF 15/16 is a dbl CD. there is another dbl live (PSF 3/4) that first came out as dbl LP in '89 but was reissued as dbl CD in 97/98. I have both dbl CD sets and its best psych I've heard (I have to control myself, I don't want to say its the greatest thing ever released).

the orb- uf orb
susuma yokota - sakura
autechre - incunabula
spiritualized - laser guided melodies
yo la tengo - i can hear the heart beating as one
massive attack - mezzanine

also,i got a sampler for leaf records in tower a while ago for a fiver
its called lost for words,and has (as well as yokota) great tracks by murcof and manitoba,both of which you might like

Anyway, I'd try Avery tare and Panda Bear's 'Spirit They've Gone Spirit They've Vanished' if you're after indie vocals over big trance-like washes of synth and little glitches and ticks.

(been listening to a lot of mingus and some other jazz,for some reason i have it in my head that i'd like alice coltrane,i must have heard something somewhere...)

Nick - thanks, I've heard some Orbital at a party of a former roommate and liked what I heard, so...

dave225 - I don't know any "A Certain Ratio" what's it like? And yes, I do know the greatgreat "Remain in Light" (as I own every single regular Talking Heads album except that one with the song that gave Yorke&co their name)

this IS a great thread. will try to help others as i get back later...

You might check early Sabbath, early Blue Oyster Cult, Jethro Tull, Raspberries, Thunderclap Newman. Non-"classic rock" bands that you might also dig from the same ballpark would be Amon Duul II and Les Rallizes Denudes.

Mellow Candle - Swaddling Songs
Fame (OST)
Lene Lovich - Flex
Germs - (MIA) - The Complete Anthology
Bob Dylan - New Morning
Ten Wheel Drive with Genya Ravan - Construction #1
Urge Overkill - Saturation

Also Black Sabbath's 1st (UK edition) has lyrics about "evil woman" and "the wizard".

Jody Beth, you want a copy of _Lost in the Stars: A Tribute to Kurt Weill_.

how's that? (and do you already know and hate _LitS_ and I'm just barking up the wrong tree?)

(And I do like Lifter Puller!)

this is what i want MY autobiography to be called.

oh... how about:

-secret mommy "babies that hunt" (nsync x harry pussy x nick drake)
-dalek "from filthy tongues...." (el-p x harry pussy)
-elvish presley/black elf speaks stuff (fleetwood mac x harry pussy x nick drake)
-deerhoof "apple o" (harry pussy x fleetwood mac x nick drake x nsync)
-danielson familie (NSync x Harry Pussy x Nick Drake)

?

to note the complete moronic nature of my breakdown... secret mommy is glitched laptop r&b while danielson familie is funny skronk folk pop... and yet i have called them both "(NSync x Harry Pussy x Nick Drake)"

m.

I had a track off this on a mag comp which i liked a lot, so this goes on my shopping list. plaid have been recommended to me be quite a few people, so i've often wanted to pick something up by them. Never heard of Nobukazu Takemura.

Hardly anything like in the rest of their catalogue, although "Friends" is probably closer than the rest. "Friends" is considerably more mellow than "Smiley Smile" though.

Obviously, if you like the two singles from "Smiley Smile", then "Pet Sounds" would be a natural buy too.

Beatles: Magical Mystery Tour

"Sgt. Pepper" - no doubt about that.
Everybody who loves 1967 Beatles should absolutely check out The Zombies' "Odessey & Oracle" btw.

Bob Dylan: Desire

"Blood On The Tracks".

Captain Beefheart: Troutmaskreplica

I leave this up to those who actually like that album, and that artist, although I do have the understanding that there is nothing else quite like "Trout Mask Replica" in the rest of his output.

King Crimson: Red

Probably some of their other 70s output, which was kind of more experimental and "jazzy" than their earlier material.

AFX - Analogue Bubblebath III
Paul van Dyk - Out There And Back
Underworld - Second Toughest In The Infants

Sorry to hijack this thread, but...Julio, is there any place to get hold of this in London? I remember reading a post of yours about them on an AMT thread. I looked for PSF releases, but only found the USA site.

I want to play this game but don't know how.

Does Rockist Scientist have an innate distrust of technology and one aging pair of corduroys?

Get him that brand new King Sunny Ade comp that just came out, Best of the Classic Years, on Shanachie. It's African (duh!) plus the steel guitar sort of links it with country! He'll love it.

Unless you meant modern as in "not old field recordings of Gambian musicians" or something.

Simon and Garfunkel - The Sounds of Silence
Nick Drake - Bryter Layter/Five Leaves Left/Pink Moon
Iron and Wine - The Creek Drank The Cradle
Red House Painters - Down Colorful Hill

and Radian's first album is almost onkyofunk, or as close as anyone has come to such. very Can-ny; very "Quantum Physics."

yes. 'sound 323' is the name of the shop (they have a webpage: google it!). opposite highgate tube station on the nothern line. thay have a keiji haino rack. I'm prob going there soon to get some more stuff heh.

or you could order it through rough trade in covent garden (or notting hill) but it might take a while.

- Justin Timberlake, Justified
- pretty much everything ever by ADULT.
- Max Tundra, M.B.G.A.T.E.
- Schneider TM, Zoomer
- Legowelt
- France Gall
- suddenly taken with radio trance mixes

julio-yes. 'sound 323' is the name of the shop (they have a webpage: google it!). opposite highgate tube station on the nothern line.

North London in decent record shop shockah! I've heard about this place, but I never see it (granted, I only drive by). Thanks.

Thanks, Aaron! We need Miranda Splat here, my tastes and hers tend to coincide near-exactly.

you might actually like the secret mommy disc i recommended above... kit clayton put it out on his label...

http://www.musork.com/o_14.html

has some mp3s... i must warn however... i liked the first track the best and the rest of the album didn't quite explode in the same fashion... (i need to revisit it now...)

m.

Please do yourself a favor and give a listen to Hem. http://www.rabbitsongs.com/ will hook you up w/ MP3s. Bring extra tissues.

Manic Street Preachers - Holy Bible
Magazine - Real Life
David Bowie - Scary Monsters and Super Creeps
Walkmen - Everyone Who Pretended...
Pulp - This is Hardcore

So what do you all suggest?

-I love disco up to around 1984.
-Things that I wish techno would sound/feel more like: Hot Butter's "Popcorn", the Coldcut remix of Eric B & Rakim's "Paid In Full", "I Feel Love", Space's "Magic Fly", Kraftwerk, "Papa Was a Rolling Stone", "Rockit", the Ocean of Sound and Jazz Satellites comps.
-I like a lot of hip hop and am neutral in the undie-vs-bling-bling debate, mostly cause most of my faves either fall in between, or precede both (likewise 2003-pop vs indie rock).
-I don't go to clubs or do drugs.
-I favor the poppy over the abstract and prefer classic rock and punk to indie.
-I have the most brutal hatred for "Everybody Dance Now!"-type divas and have failed to be moved by Goldie's Timeless, Leftfield's Leftism and Prodigy's Fat of the Land and Music for the Jilted Generation as well as most techno I hear coming out of clubs or people's cars, or on late night CBC radio. There's a noise track in the middle of Fatboy Slim's On The Floor of The Boutique album ("I'm Just a Disco Dancer", maybe?) that is everything I hate most about techno.
-I like the rocking catchiness on Chemical Brothers' first 2 albums and maybe half of Fatboy Slim's songs, as well as the playfulness of Aphex Twin's Richard D. James album. Underworld's "2 Months Off" and "Born Slippy" sound pretty good too. Daft Punk's Discovery is a fantastic album (Homework sounded like hits-plus-filler to me).

Fire away!

What post rock album should I get? What Boredoms album should I get (actually, I have Soul Discharge)? Any other recommendations?

Now THIS I can get with. Thanks!

I'll come back to this thread with my own recommendations for everyone...

Meirelles-Contemplacao
Lounge Lizards - Harlem Nocturne
Jimi Tenor-Atlantis
Angelo Badalamenti-Twin Peaks/Fire Walk With Me OSTs
Jimmy Scott-Dream

I love this thread.

Milton, I have this too -- good stuff (though I can always do without Japanese reggae, as far as I know). Have you heard Picky Picnic? Kind of like Haniwa, except with lo-fi, analog synths, and a bit more out there.

Arthur: (file under Other recommendations) the Saints - Wild About You compilation, (Barry &) the Remains - s/t, CBGB's and the Birth of U.S. Punk compilation

Adam: re: nocturnal jazz. maybe a bit too obvious, but Miles Davis' l'Ascenceur pour l'Echafaud is really nocturnal, imo.

Nordic - I think a wonderful modern psychedelic band is (was) Olivia Tremor Control. Dusk At Cubist Castle is one of the best debut full-length efforts of all time, IMO. Black Foliage is excellent too. The OTC spin-off band Sunshine Fix is also great.

Julio & Nordic - if you dig the Japanese guitar freak-out scene, I might recommend Kousokuya, Seikazoku, Musica Transonic, Tsurubami, and most anything with Kawabata Makoto and/or Nanjo Asahito involved. Ohkami no Jikan is also excellent, though more droney, less guitar-noisey.

i love
swell-41
giant sand-chore of enchantment
yo la tengo-electropura
radiohead-amnesiac
nick drake-five leaves left
joni mitchell-hejira
new order-movement
red house painters-down colorfull hill
sonic youth-dirty
chet baker-chet
keith jarrett-sun bear concerts
cure-17 seconds
mary margaret o'hara-miss america
roxy music-r.m.
vu & nico etc. etc.

what do i need now?

thanks! I've heard some of this. I don't know abt Tsurubami so I'll keep an eye for that.

dleone wrote:
>Picky Picnic? Kind of like Haniwa, except with lo-fi, analog synths, and a bit more out there

No I've not heard that, it's on Ata Tak though huh? can't get more promising than that, the search is on.

Chris Cutler's listed the album 'Kanishabali' by side project Haniwa-Chan as even weirder...when I finally make it to Tokyo that's still #1 on the list to find.

Actually Geir is on record as saying that "Future Days" is the only Can album he likes - which figures

Orbital
Talk Talk
The Stone Roses
Manitoba
El-P
Wilco
Four Tet
Chemical Brothers
The Clash
Dismemberment Plan
Tribe Called Quest

Thanks...

gilian welch-the revelator
wilco-yhf
lambchop-is a woman
ryan adams-heartbreaker
yo la tengo-summer sun
16 horsepower-folklore
howe gelb-confluence
calexico-aerocalexico

btw i have grandaddy's sophtware slump already but have only listened to it once.

Tribe/El-P + The Clash + Chemicals = New Kingdom. Paradise Don't Come Cheap for starters. and i guarantee you'll come back around for Heavy Load before long. then seek out the Lumberjacks (=New Kingdom producers) remix of God's "Gold Teeth." heaviosity.

Sabres of Paradise: Haunted Dancehall
Plaid: Restproof Clockwork
Boo Radleys: Giant Steps
Arcturus: The Sham Mirrors
Aim: Coldwater Music
Beach Boys: Smile
Electric Wizard: Dopethrone

you may have these already, and i've already named them on the "recommend country" thread, but...

sparklehorse - vivadixiesubmarinetransmissionplot
beachwood sparks - make the robot cowboys cry

i also love female singers/songwriters with extraordinary voices:

joni mitchell-blue
cat power-you are free
elysian fields-1st record
cowboy junkies-lay it down
mary margaret o'hara-miss america
laurie anderson-mister heartbreak
rickie lee jones-girl at her volcano
mazzy star-tonight that i might see
stina nordenstam-covers record

what else in this "genre" is worth it?

Devendra Banhart-Oh Me Oh My...(He's a male singer-songwriter, but he does have an extraordinary voice, and would fit nicely alongside some of the other names you have dropped upthread. Ditto for all the Angels of Light stuff as well)

Thalia Zedek-Maybe you know her already. if not, get the EP with VU and Dylan covers, then the album, then everything by Come!

Vashti Bunyan-Diamond Day (I don't know anyone who doesn't love this. Scottish psych/folk singer with an incredible voice).

Noahjohn-Had A Burning

Tom Ovans-I don't own anything by him, but he's on my list. Dylanesque singer/songwriter with crazy, scary vocals.

summerslastsound, I've tried googling for this, but I can't find it anywhere. Any tips?

And for female singer/songwriters with extraordinary voices you've got to hear Sandy Denny. A good starting point is the 'Listen Listen' compilation.

Fugazi - In On The Killtaker
Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie & I.S.
XTC - Black Sea
Pixies - Surfer Rosa
Throwing Muses - Limbo
Pale Saints - In Ribbons

or, cutting it short, something sharp and aggressive but melodic and original. Can anyone give some help?

james, i don't listen to country. i think i can even safely say that i hate country. i like country elements like some pedal steel but country pure is too much for me. especially the typical female country voice is something i can't take. but i loved the second last johnny cash album (with the phantastic "mercy seat" over) which wasn't country at all.

an interesting selection, jp almeida. have you got the breeders "last splash" (power indie pop) or even better "pod" (more experimental)? or sonic youth's "dirty"?

as for me, (and i have asked Ned already so I think I have some sense!), if I like:
U2: War
and
Joy Division
and
Cure: Boys Don't Cry
and
Entertainment!
what is next?

JP Almeida (that name sounds cool btw), I second the suggestions for the Buzzcocks and the Breeders' Pod (alex has good taste!) and would like to add Modest Mouse. (Lonesome Crowded West or Moon & Antarctica, the first being my introduction to them). and from a little while back: Richard Hell & the Voidoids.
also, I think you would like Zoppo, but that may be a bit a hard to come by, as it's a dutch band... think lo-fi 80's Sonic Youth with great melodies.

and:
A big Thank You! to the people (dave225, douglas) who recommended A Certain Ratio to me: bought "Early" yesterday, listening to it now: great! (i was thinking i forgot Go4's "Entertainment!" in my love-list but listening to ACR it's obvious i didn't have to)

I have Nowhere, but I have not heard "hex" I will look it up now :-)

Thanks!

Also, if you haven't heard Nina Nastasia, Alex, you should most definitely give her a listen. (And she's coming out w/ her 3rd album in the next couple of months, too.) Web site address (w/ MP3 love) = http://www.southern.com/southern/band/NASTA/

And, actually, Alex, you might like Hem, too! http://www.rabbitsongs.com - samples & hoohah. (And, yo Poops - you might like Nina N. & Mia Doi Todd, too.)

Aaron G: you might like some of this stuff:
- Radio 4's _Gotham!_
- Interpol's _Turn On the Bright Lights_
- The Ex's _Dizzy Spells_
- Erase Errata's _Other Animals_

The first two are right in line w/ what you listed; the last two drink from the same pond as what you listed, but choose to piss in different places. (Yeah metaphors!)

Also - you might want to check out the Midnight Oil retrospective. I was SHOCKED (SHOCKED, I tell you) to find out how similar it sounded to that post-punkish stuff. Be wary of some didacticism (sic), though (and this would be didacticism that's not quite as festively framed as the politicking on G04's _Entertainment_).

And a belated "you're welcome" to Chris V. - glad you're enjoying the CD. (The one that makes me reach for the kleenex, BTW, is "Sailor Song". The rest of the tracks "only" get something in my eye.)

david i know interpol and radio 4 but i will look up the other groups, thanks!

I'll search for some Richard Hell & Voidoids, Straitjacket Fits and Zoppo, after I find out what's wrong with my Kazaa (it closes itself right after I start it - same with KLite and iMesh).

Pink Fairies, especially Never Never Land
Budgie
Sir Lord Baltimore
Ursa Major
Trapeze
Black Sabbath (the 1st 5 records are awesome!)
BLue Oyster CUlt, especially Tyranny & Mutation

An obv pick would be the MC5's "High Time," for starters. (But you have that...don't you?)

Amon Duul 2 - Yeti
King Crimson - Red
Magma (tho I don't have anything other than mp3s, so recommendations would be nice)
Yes (same situation as with Magma)
Ruins
later Boredoms

Or poppy dance. I like:

Avalanches - Since I Left You
Daft Punk - Discovery (but not so much what I've heard of Homework)
Basement Jaxx - Rooty

Origin
Neurosis
Morbid Angel
Mastodon
War Horse

individual tracks by Emperor and Borknagar

the guitar sound on Destruction's Eternal Devastation

Voivod - Nothingace and Angel Rat
bits and pieces of hardcore from Big Black to v early Fugazi to Shotmaker, Native Nod, 1.6 Band, Camera Obscura, The Locust, Lungbutter

Am on reasonably good terms with the entire canon of pre-Van Halen hard rock, from what I know of it, am a fan of Zeppelin and Rush up to Moving Pictures. Enjoy Soundgarden, System Of a Down.

Avant-prog like U Totem.

I have Obscura and like a lot of it but don't play it a lot yet.

Am interested in stuff that's more progressive, technical, avant-garde in terms of guitar harmonies and sonics.

Sonic Youth (especially Evol, also Goo and Dirty)
most of the last 3 Radiohead albums
Smashing Pumpkins
Pixies
Unknown Pleasures
Loveless
The Velvet Underground & Nico
The Smiths
Murmur
The Beatles
The Yes Album
bits of the Magic Hour
Different Class
the hardcore and avant-prog stuff mentioned upthread
strong, quirky singers
bands who can play but am just as interested in hearing them do something creative sonically
minimal IDM - would like to hear more fusions

have stuff by but I'm not a wholehearted fan:
The Magnetic Fields
The Dismemberment Plan

heard a song by, had my interest piqued:
Styrofoam

not really my thing:
singer-songwriters
Pavement
Shellac
Don Caballero

wish a painful bloody death on:
98% of slowcore and post-rock
weak voices as in Belle and Sebastian, Galaxie 500, Eric's Trip, New Order, Slint
cuddlecore

Sundar: if you like Neurosis, you WILL like Isis. A bit more proggy and metal is Opeth, but nice as well. On the indie field, you will probably like Throwing Muses or "Murray St." from SY.
Helium's "The Magic City" is great as well. Indie rock with synthesisers - it sounds better than it looks like! I haven't been surprised like this for a long time. D'load "Medieval people" and you will understand.

Also, does it work the other way around as well fer Neurosis:Isis? Because I like Isis very much and Neurosis do little for me. And I thought I was the only person in the world who likes theat Helium album!

Sundar: You may wanna check out Absu's Tara for black metal. I'm completely addicted to it right now, though it may sound a bit samey for someone who doesn't already love the genre.

Yes is all about The Yes Album for me, which might be kind of on the other end of the spectrum - it features a lot of them at their most soft and pastoral, with (by Yes standards) shorter, tighter compositions. But it achieves heights a cut above much of their other stuff for me, a grace and beauty much of their other material lacks.

Also, not really my thing on the indie front but I can bend on all of these: the lo-fi aesthetic, heavy American roots/folk/country/trad influences, Neil Young-style vocals, naturalistic production.

-- M Specktor (mspecktor...), April 28th, 2003.<<<

Oh yes Mr. Specktor!! I was actually making recommendations regarding an earlier query in the thread. High Time is a must-own for fans of riffage, ounk, metal, and just about anything "kewl." Not to mention Kick Out the Jams..... arrrrrrggggghhhh!!!!!!

thanks!

If you want a great overview of what they could do with their sound, I would actually recommend the album Attahk (note that this is not an oft-recommended starter from most fans, though). Hhai: Live is also a great starter, presenting them in a live situation (where they most thrived), where they were the most intense and pwoerful. Apart from that, two essential albums are Wurdah Itah and Mekanik Destruktiv Kommandoh.

Also highly recommended if you like the Magma sound, which is called "Zeuhl" (in order of preference):

Weidorje - Weidorje
Eskaton - 4 Visions [pretty much a shameless clone unrelated to the band, but a terrific clone at that]
Zao - Z = 7L

Yes (same situation as with Magma)

The Yes Album makes for the best introduction to the band. Their two best albums (IMO) were Close to the Edge and Relayer.

This is you asking to be fed-exed a copy of Koenjihyakkei's first couple of records.

This band was a merger of two other bands: Motorist Totem Guild and 5uus, both of which have their own separate albums. Also Thinking Plague's In Extremis is a terrific example of this style of music. All of these bands are on the Cuneiform label...

Am interested in stuff that's more progressive, technical, avant-garde in terms of guitar harmonies and sonics.

A couple of groups (none of which have anything to do with one another) spring to mind that are definitely worth mentioning (listed in approximate order to how I would think you would like them, based on your dis/likes):

Happy the Man - The best American prog rock band, very interesting harmony, melody, and rhythm nuances in their songs. Sound: Across various tracks, manages to combine elements of Genesis, Zappa, Mahavishnu Orchestra, and Steely Dan (on the tracks w/ vocals). Happy the Man and Crafty Hands.

Area - Incredible band of Italian musicians with unbelievable Greek vocalist (his name was Demetrio Stratos). A weird and unique mixture of Mediterranean fusion/occassional free jazz/political imagery. Arbeit Macht Frei, Caution: Radiation Area, Crac! and Are(a)zione all classics.

Heldon - French band led by guitarist/philosopher Richard Pinhas. Sound: similar to Fripp/Tangerine Dream/70s Miles Davis (monolithic acid jam vibe). Allez Teia, Agneta Nilson, or Un Reve Sans Consequence and Stand By if you want something more rock.

Univers Zero - Very dark, chamberish, dry-sounding Belgian band. Ceux de Dehors and The Hard Quest.

Since they reformed in 2000 they seem to have evolved into something that to me sounds more mature & generally deeper (I like their early stuff, but it sounds more surfacy to me), while at the same time not pandering to the lowest com' denom'. Their recent album is Mei; though I've only played it a few times so far, my initial impression is favorable. The album is one track, about 45 minutes long or so, though it plays more like a suite of songs or song cycle. Enigmatic (the theme seems to be about America in some way? The CD booklet is loaded with those classic Americana photos), but largely accessible.

And Sasha, I didn't reject the first of those recommendations! It's just that the other is, like ... it's as if they did a focus group of just me and made a record based on that; no surprises.

More importantly: This Heat, the Family Fodder, and Swell Maps might offer a more slanted / abstracted take on some of the things you like.

Nick Southall: you should go out and get Triple R's Friends mix cd on Kompakt right now

Sundar: have you heard Les Savy Fav's Rome (written upside down) EP?

My bad semi-English confused you. Translated: "I tried emailing you at this ----@notmail.com address and got back undeliverable message goo." Then I got yr email, we connected and it was all lovely. (Listen to All's "Alltag 5" from Pop Ambient 2003 while reading this.)

Rawk:
Sleater Kinney - Dig Me Out, One Beat
Bardo Pond - Lapsed
Portishead - s/t
Shannon Wright - Flightsafety
Mogwai - CODY, Rock Action
Spiritualized - Ladies and Gents, LGM
Labradford - s/t through E Luxo So

Pawp:
Aaliyah - s/t
Mirah - Advisory Committee
Microphones - Glow pt 2

Carried away...

Ha! I do have the last one and like very much. How do their first few differ? Are they still in print?

NIVRAYM is a good album. The first two (there are only 3) are real classics. They differ in that 1) NIVRAYM is more a straight avant-prog record with keyboard solos and things, where the first two are more very intense zeuhl (a la Magma) records. 2) The production is a lot better. The sound on the those records should be capsulized as the only way to make a "brutal prog" record. In fact, I'd go so far to say that the second album is the greatest zeuhl record ever made by anyone other than Magma (and in many ways, is better than a lot of their music).

Of course, they are out of print -- don't even think Yoshida has anymore.

when I dissed bob drake's 'medallion animal carpet' yesterday I felt uncomfortable, went home and put it on, and I have to take back what I said, it's fantastic and I'm buying his other three records on sight... I was wrong, the songs are in there they've just bonded with the production on such an intricate murky level it's too much to take in on the first listen...

I want to hear some TEEN garage/lofi/diy punk/pop in the charming lack-of-musicality way. Shoot!

I recommend Blast Off Country Style's C'mon and Blast Off Country Style.

what do you think I should discover first?

Go for "Their Majesties Satanic Request" (particularly based on the choices still listed in the quote). Accept that it doesn't sound like a typical Stones album though. :-)

Arthur - then i´m checking out Redd Kross (a friend of mine goit a nice redd kross bag he probably have it)

Daaaaaaamn! But thanks, I'm looking these up on soulseek right now.

Presidents of the United States of America
Badfinger
Oasis
Madness
Strokes
Eagles
Prodigy "Fat of the Land"
Metallica "Vertigo"
Asian Dub Foundation

I really love listening to these when I'm eating my dinner but as you can see I have such a wide ranging musical taste that I'll soon get board of these. Can one of youse recommend me something.

Thanks a whole load

Martin

Queens Of The Stone Age "Songs For The Deaf"
The Deftones "White Pony"

I don't know anything about this strain of metal/RAWK but I would like something else that would sit proudly alongside these. I have heard the System Of A Down record, it's not my bag. I quite liked "Antichrist Superstar", though.

Pan Sonic - A
Ryoji Ikeda
Immersion - Low Impact
Kid606 - Down With the Scene
Oren Ambarchi
Alva.Noto - Transform
the entire canon of minimalist composition

Wasn't too taken by Fennesz

Also should look into more hip-hop. Things I like include

Goodie Mob - esp Still Standing, mostly interested in the rhythmic interplay of the voices with each other and with the beat
LL Cool J - Radio and esp Mama Said Knock You Out
the first Missy Elliot
used to love ODB - Return to the 36 Chambers but haven't played it in ages
I like some of Run Come Save Me

Didn't get Aquemini but I like the hits from Stankonia

I can't afford it :(

sundar, Phoenecia's 'Brown Out' is a lovely, detail rich listening disc worth checking out. a slow start but six tracks in, voosh. I also think Lesser's 'Gearhound' is criminally underrated, but it's another record that starts with a punishing, extended (wonderful) attack to clear the novices out... the last track, 'decomposing jockey' is beautifully twisted.

& yup I have yet to get fennesz either really, it's wallpaper. pita's '7 tons for free' and 'get out' though, those are impressive...

I want something sweet, but I'm too lazy to walk to the corner.

and no, i don't think you'd like it.

Given the Badfinger, Oasis, Strokes thing (good choices!), I might recommend Big Star and Sloan.

If you haven't already heard them, you might also try:
The Fire Show
Lifter Puller
Blonde Redhead
Unwound
Blumfield (German-language band, somewhat Pavement-y)
Larsen
Ludus
Associates

rockist- The fact you don't like soft bulletin prob means you might not like yoshimi. why ddin't you like 'soft..'?

Mirah - Advisory Committee
Cynthia Dall - untitled (over her 2002 2nd album)
Tarnation - Gentle Creatures, or pref. I'll Give You Something to Cry About if you can find it
Lois Maffeo's last two collaborations, with Brendan Canty & in Owl & The Pussycat

ok.

Together-So Much Love To Give

Linus Loves-The Terrace

Basement Jaxx-Acid Love (if you can find it on mp3 or whatever)

I could go on all day.

ROLLIN'S BAND
EXTREME NOISE TERROR
AQUA
MACABRE
NWA
BURAZUM
ANAL CUNT

I REFUSE TO LISTEN TO ANYTHING YOU WEAK WILLED SWINES RECOMMEND ME BUT FUCK YOU ALL MAY AS WELL TRY!!

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!

ps. no need to shout.

X-section:
nick drake, shannon wright, mary timony, nina nastasia, neko case, moonshake, TFUL282, songs:ohia, dead can dance, lida husik, geraldine fibbers, dirty three, rachel's, bjork, carter family, magnetic fields, kate bush, kurt weill, echo and the bunnymen, th faith healers, francoise hardy, e. european/near eastern/nordic folk.

Things I've been looking into:
gentle giant, king crimson, shirley collins, deerhoof, piano magic, gang of four, neutral milk hotel, patti smith, sally timms, billie holliday.

My tastes seem to run a bit folky and/or pompous and I tend to prefer female voices. I just feel my music collection is lacking a sense of history. I don't have a good radio station anymore to introduce me to new things, or money to buy tons of records.

King Crimson: "In The Court Of The Crimson King" (yes, it's the obvious one, and ususally I try to steer people away from that one towards "Discipline" but I have a feeling it'll be more up your street)
Neutral Milk Hotel: "In The Aeroplane Over The Sea"
Patti Smith: I think you'd be best off starting with "Wave" and work your way backwards from there.

Oh and is it too late to say: Sasha, "The Monochrome Set (I Presume)" wasn't the Monochrome Set's first single, in fact it wasn't actually a single: "He's Frank" / "Alphaville" (RT006) was first, then "Eine Symphonie Des Grauens" / "Lester Leaps In" (RT019) then "The Monochrome Set" / "Mr Bizarro" (RT028).

After that they left Rough Trade and signed to Virgin. The ".... (Slight Return)" verion of their theme song was included on their debut album "Strange Boutique".

The best staring point for The Monochrome Set imho is a budget-line CD release by Virgin called "Tomorrow Will Be Too Long", which actually contains the whole of "Strage Boutique" and their second album "Love Zombies".

I fookin' luv The Monochrome Srt, me!

Ronan... I would start out with the first album, called "Modern Lovers", which has Roadrunner, and also a number of other excellent tracks. my favorites are "I'm Straight", "Dignified and Old" and "Government Center". I dont know what is released in UK/Ireland, but here the album is on Rhino. It might be OOP (not listed on Rhino website) but I bet that it is sitting in a bin somewhere.

I really love the Bark Psychosis album btw, thanks keith.

my new list for help:
Japan: Tin Drum
Associates: 4th Drawer Down
Nico: Desertshore

(obv i can check out other albums by these people)

I also am enjoying "My Name Is Joe" by Joe. What else should I get?

1) Some really good soul or jazz

I like:

O.V. Wright
Marvin Gaye
Freddie Scott
Pharaoh Sanders

2) Something in the same rock family tree as the following:

Velvet Underground
Galaxie 500 / Luna
The Clientele

you need an al green record--you can't go wrong with "let's stay together", "i'm still in love with you", or "call me", or you should be able to find a greatest hits cheap.

as for the other one, young marble giants' "colossal youth" is very similar in mood to the better galaxie 500/luna stuff and third album velvets that you seem to be looking for. you'd also be well-served by the big star twofer that combines "#1 record" and "radio city".

bob dylan
neil young
early beatles
beach boys
rem
jonathan richman
decemberists
wilco
flaming lips
alison krauss

there is a special place in my heart for storytelling lyrics