Vincent Gallo.... C/D?

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Probably been asked before, but I just heard through the grapevine about a musical collaboration between he and John Frusciante on the soundtrack of Gallo's upcoming film... might be interesting, I gather.

maria b (maria b), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

There's this plug-in on Winamp that let's you pitch-shift his voice until he sounds like a chipmunk. Listened to like that, hella classic. Otherwise, dud.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Vincent Gallo uses lots of really cool old analog recording equipment, tube amps, ancient hollowbody geetars etc., his music is very sparse but sounds very lush and vibrant. Pretty friggin good, especially for someone who doubles as an actor.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

can I hijack this thread and focus on the horrendous reception to his new movie "The Brown Bunny"?

http://www.sun-times.com/output/eb-feature/cst-ftr-cannes22.html

Al (sitcom), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Haven't heard his music (wasn't he in a band with Basquiat in the early 80s?) -- but Roger Ebert has this to say about his new film's premiere at Cannes:

Those who saw Vincent Gallo's "The Brown Bunny" have been gathering ever since, with hushed voices and sad smiles, to discuss how wretched it was. Those who missed it hope to get tickets, for no other film has inspired such discussion. "The worst film in the history of the festival," I told a TV crew posted outside the theater. I have not seen every film in the history of the festival, yet I feel my judgment will stand.

(More here.)

Ouch. (FWIW, I loved Buffalo 66)

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, x-post.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

sounds like a beaut.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i downloaded one of his albums. it was cute. i never listen to it.

JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

ok I'll out myself as a perv right here, right now, but is anyone else curious about the apparently incredibly graphic for real oral sex scene between him and chloe sevigny?

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

dude, hang out in the lower east side for two hours and you can see her do that in the flesh!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

and anyway i think that's the only reason he decided to be a director -- to get lovin'. a friend of mine was gonna audition for one of his movies but he demanded nude photos of her before he would even let her come in. wadda creep.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

him and the hilton sisters are made for each other

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

he might be the only person too scummy for them!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

this critical shellacking have happened to a more deserving guy: unrepentantly racist & homophobic, arrogant & self-pitying, seems to think his ugliness and crappy childhood gives him license to shit all over everyone else. read his website "writings" for more proof.

although I did like "buffalo 66," kinda

Neudonym, Friday, 23 May 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, as much as the guy's a complete shit, buffalo 66 has it's moments: miracles can happen.

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

and (not that this excuses it) but there's more than a chance 'vincent gallo' is just some media construct of his; I saw him on this espn thing about the bills curse and he came across as normal, funny, non-scumbag.

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 23 May 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i like his music, buffalo 66 & that time machine mmovie w/johnny depp, where gallo does a great "cowardly lion" impersonation. he has a nice interactive webpage of his studio. chan marshall wrote a song about him (another reason to hate both of them for some of you)
the man is very honest. i am a magazine junky & have read most of the interviews. he is a tad flippant. yeah, he was in a band with basquiat in the 80's. & to answer the original question, the frusciante/gallo project has been talked about for 4 or 5 years now. i hope it makes the light of day.

kephm, Friday, 23 May 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i like buffalo 66 too... as for him being a non-scumbag, i dunno. he lives on my block (or right around the corner) so i see him around fairly often. he gives off bad vibes, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

He has vowed to give up moviemaking forever based on the reviews for the Brown Bunny.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

good googly moogly, does that mean he's gonna concentrate on 'his music' now?

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

personally, I think Gallo was born to play the lead in The Chris Bickel story.

rumple, Friday, 23 May 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he was probably born to be homeless, but he made a deal with the devil somewhere. The Brown Bunny is the devil collecting his due.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

What is the racism charge (mentioned upthread by Neudonym) based on? I'm asking out of ignorance (and I'm curious because Gallo seems to love to talk about the multiracial crowd he at least at one point used to hang with in the Lower East side).

I thought Buffalo 66 was great.

Wired Flounder (Wired Flounder), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"I'll never make another movie again. I mean it," Gallo told Reuters, after his road movie had a disastrous reception at the Cannes film festival and he was booed at a press conference.

"Being booed at was not much fun. It's really not very nice that people are so nasty. I'm very disappointed," he said early on Friday at the star-studded amfAR AIDS fund-raiser.

Gallo, going through what he says is the worst week in his life, has also apologized to those who financed the film.

"It is a disaster of a film and it was a waste of time. I apologize to the financiers, but it was never my intention to make a pretentious film, a self-indulgent film, a useless film, an unengaging film," he said.

Critics guffawed openly at the screening of "The Brown Bunny," which Gallo wrote, directed, produced and starred in, and groaned at the highly graphic oral sex scene at the end.

Many found the long driving scenes interminable and monotonous and the symbolic use of a toy rabbit plain just silly.

Screen International has ranked the film the worst of the 20 films competing for this year's Palme d'Or.

"Vincent Gallo's monumental folly has already become a defining moment in Cannes history. Awestruck future generations will ask: 'Were you there the night they screened The Brown Bunny?"' one of the magazine's critics wrote Friday. A clearly depressed Gallo said he had hardly been able to face his friends since Cannes critics, bored by what they say is a miserable harvest of films, started laying into his movie.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved this:

Imagine a film so unendurably boring that at one point, when he gets out of his van to change his shirt, there is applause.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Gallo seems to love to talk about the multiracial crowd he at least at one point used to hang with in the Lower East side

There's your first clue.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

That cuts both ways, yes...

Wired Flounder (Wired Flounder), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

the chorus of snoop's beautiful reminds me of the gallo record

jones (actual), Friday, 23 May 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

What is the racism charge (mentioned upthread by Neudonym) based on?

based on the "essay" and the interview I read on the "writings" part of www.vincentgallo.com. says he "wouldn't go to Harlem for a million dollars" and how all of South America is "primitive," and he's so casual about "spics" and Italians and others who aren't, y'know, him, that you just wanna smack him all over again.

also does a number on "faggots" and "pussies" and both Harmony Korine (whom I also hate) and "boring Connecticut Chloe Sevigny". Kinda makes ya wonder if he did this whole movie just to get Chloe to blow him to piss off Harmony Korine.

also a huge George W. Bush fan, but that doesn't necessarily make him a racist.

Neudonym, Friday, 23 May 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Capice, Neudonym, thanks.

Wired Flounder (Wired Flounder), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Caught Buffalo 66 again on HBO in the middle of the night. Totally forgot how great that film is. We need American filmmakers who have imagination and dare to create their own formal language. I've been eagerly awaitng his next film. Can it really be that bad? His music is good too. He might practice severe assholery but that doesn't make him any less worthy as an artist/entertainer. Classic I dare say.

theodore fogelsanger, Friday, 23 May 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Haters! His Music for Films CD is great - totally crackd, I like his proper songs a lot too - his voice reminds me of Chet Baker's. I like him in everything I've seen him in, and, with all this talk of Brown Bunny being the Ishtar of indie film, I'm psyched to see that as well. And i'd definitely buy that Frusciante / Gallo record. He's alright by me.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 24 May 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I really, really profoundly disliked "Buffalo 66," but suspect that.. a film that provokes such a reaction is already something. What's weird is I was just reading a couple of critiques in Liberation and Le Monde to compare & they weren't very hard on "The Brown Bunny" at all, in fact they seemed to think it courageous.

daria g, Saturday, 24 May 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that Film Music alb is totally great - it's the last thing I heard playing in a rec shop that I had to find out what it was - and the sleevenotes are hilariously outspoken and self-aggrandizing. Are we sure Roger Ebert wld recognise a gd film if one bit him on his big fat bum?

Andrew L (Andrew L), Saturday, 24 May 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

"Are we sure Roger Ebert wld recognise a gd film if one bit him on his big fat bum?"

Yes.

As long as he was able to spot that Brown Bunny was the was the worst in Cannes history, I'm sure his taste is just fine. That and because he's one of the few good film critics writing today.

David Allen, Saturday, 24 May 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuckin' Buffalo 66 is me all over, I haven't seen any of my family in 10 years and they're starting to get curious in a hassling-type manner and I'm on the verge of kidnapping somebody to bolster some bullshit story about having had a respectable normal life instead of spending the last decade in prison, I mean England

dave q, Saturday, 24 May 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

roger ebert is probably the best english language film critic currently publishing. vincent gallo is a tool.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 24 May 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

He didn't like 'Night of the Living Dead'!

Andrew L (Andrew L), Saturday, 24 May 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

or 'I Spit on Your Grave'!

dave q, Saturday, 24 May 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

or 'Dunston Checks In'!

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Yancey, the LES comment upthread made me fall on the floor laughing.

My feelings on Gallo can be summed up by taking every mean thing written here so far, blending them together, and redoubling them.

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

also, his music is even worse than his movies are

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

too true

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Ebert's very good usually, but it looks like the "worst movie in the history of the festival" has inspired him to write possibly one of the worst paragraphs in the history of film criticism. I'm referring to his whole spiel about "Imagine 90 tedious minutes of a man driving across America in a van. Imagine long shots through a windshield as it collects bug splats, etc....".

I really don't find any of these supposed travesties of ennui and pretention damning at all, and you could make similar types of statements about isolated aspects of any number of the movies Ebert considers great, like "Last Year of Marienbad", "Picnic at Hanging Rock", "Blow Up" or "Dinner with Andre". "The Brown Bunny" might well suck big-time, but Ebert's particular illustration of its suckiness is not convincing at all.

Wired Flounder (Wired Flounder), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

...or "Last Year *at* Marienbad", for that matter.

Wired Flounder (Wired Flounder), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Imagine long shots through a windshield as it collects bug splats

The impression I get is that this is literally all that happens in the movie. Which is pretty goddamn pretentious, you have to admit, even if you're a Jim Jarmusch fan.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree, but Ebert's gotta give me more than that. I mean: "Imagine a movie that's about two guys talking in a restaurant, and nothing else happens" (Dinner With Andre); "Imagine endless shots of people in formal wear standing around inside a palace" ("Last Year at Marienbad"); etcetera. That's no less pretentious or potentially sleep-inducing than what Ebert describes. Ebert isn't telling why those movies "get away" with such things, and are worthy of his esteem, and "Brown Bunny" (then again, the title alone sinks this movie, doesn't it?) isn't.

Wired Flounder (Wired Flounder), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

the title, and the person who made it

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

presumably he'll do that when he actually, you know, reviews the movie. the comment you refer to comes in a johnny on the spot writeup of the festival so far.

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

wouldn't Andre be more intrinsically interesting just because there's dialogue?

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - "If Gallo had thrown away all of the rest of the movie and made the Sevigny scene into a short film, he would have had something. That this film was admitted into Cannes as an Official Selection is inexplicable. By no standard, through no lens, in any interpretation, does it qualify for Cannes. The quip is: This is the most anti-American film at Cannes, because it is so anti-American to show it as an example of American filmmaking."

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

You both make good points. I guess I just don't find Ebert's litany of "Imagine(s)..." all that outrageous. Great films have often pushed the boundaries of what audiences are supposed to tolerate, and I see no reason why a great film could be made that *was* just about a guy driving across a continent in a van with lots of shots of bug splattering on the windshield. It's a stretch, obv., but it's not inconceivable. Evidently Gallo didn't pull it off.

Wired Flounder (Wired Flounder), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I have it from the man himself that the Chloe-shag was all about messing with Harmony (someone was using my old flat as a location for his photo shoot and we hung out for a few hours and mostly talked about Jenny Holzer v. Barbara Kruger). Yanc3y is korrekt in that CS is pretty easy to hook up with. Apparently one of VG's female friends was assaulted by HK, using rohypnol, which caused the woman to have some kind of breakdown. He took revenge in a way he found personally satisfying. He didn't say or do anything to suggest to me that he was racist, but he definitely does like to wind people up.

If this film is as big of a bomb as people say, there are going to be red faces at work - not mine - is all I'm saying. And in an even odder set of six degrees, my step-aunt used to date Ebert. Go figure.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm so not reading this. Ebert is "the best english-language film critic" today? Then who, I ask, who are Jonathan Rosenbaum, Kent Jones, Amy Taubin, Armond White, Adrien Martin, J. Hoberman, Steve Erickson, Fred Camper,

I've got nothing against the guy's love and knowledge of movies, which are real, but he rarely offers insight that one couldn't find from the gallery of movie stars recruited to comment on every annual AFI list of "100 Years... 100 of the Same Movies Rearranged." If he's the best we've got, then maybe the rancid Stephen Hunter deserved his ludicrous Pulitzer.

Ebert also hates Kiarostami but loves Majidi, which is like hating Godard but loving Molinaro. As boutique as shit.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Did Warp finance this film? Because I seem to remember that Warp was going in to the film business and of course they love Gallo.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't finish the first list, but I think the eight I mention are a good start. Saying Ebert's the best working film critic is like saying Rob Sheffield is the best working music critic. They're both good and stuff, but puh-leez.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think they have that kind of money, and they aren't the company to keep it quiet.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Yahoo's blurb on the flick says the budget was $10 million.

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Saturday, 24 May 2003 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

That can buy a lot of mouthwash.

(Sorry!!)

Ernest P. (ernestp), Saturday, 24 May 2003 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I really have to believe it was more like $1 million.

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Saturday, 24 May 2003 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Ebert's "review" was unconvincing. Todd McCarthy's review in Variety was a bit more convincing, and no less disapproving. I like Ebert as I have stated on other threads. Mainly it's because he is almost alone among critics for major American dailies in actually writing intelligently and sympathetically about a fairly wide range of cinema. His weird blind spots--his digs at Kiarostami and Angelopoulos in this week's column for example--confuse me, because if he thinks so little of these filmmakers, does he think all of his colleagues are simply shamming? And how can he approve of the relatively empty exercise that was Gerry and reserve such skepticism for Landscape in the Mist, etc. It's confounding, but it doesn't exactly take away from my respect for Ebert.

I don't have strong feelings about Gallo one way or the other. I thought I should point out, though, that a number of films that had disastrous receptions at Cannes have gone on to become, if not unassailable classics, then important touchstones. Like Dreyer's Gertrud ("100 minutes of static shots of furniture," said one French critic at the time--sounds a bit like Ebert's synposis of The Brown Bunny).

Buffalo 66 seemed like an effective mood piece to me, not much more. The fairytale-esque conceits in the midst of the limpid upstate NY realism were actually a bit ahead of their time--they're all over indie films now. That doesn't mean I liked them. The film looked gorgeous though, I forget the particular method Gallo used to process his film stock but the results were distinctive.

As for "film critics in the English language," I can't pretend to know half of them. Ebert is a very good prose stylist, much more pleasant to read than Jonathan Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum begins practically every long review with a screed about the Cultural Guardians not letting us see (x) film and force-feeding us Titanic or what have you. It's not that his complaints don't have a basis in fact, it's just that his need to see every foreign/art movie through this particular lens is limiting, tiresome, and v. possibly condescending. In interviews Kiarostami has lauded The Godfather and in Positif not long ago Chris Marker said anyone who condemned Gilliam's 12 Monkeys (which borrows its plot from Marker's The Pier) and thought they were doing him any favors were foolish. I wonder what Rosenbaum--whose outlook on Film culture is increasingly Manichean--thinks of that.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

What I like about Ebert is his ability to be serious and fairly intellectual about artsy films but still appreciate complete trash.

Ebert doesn't hate fun.

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Ebert is the best populist movie critic working today. I would argue that he does a more important job than those who spend their careers pointing out the glorious stuff we're missing. Praising the good and dismissing the bad are only part of criticism -- Ebert takes it on himself to wade through the mediocre. Noble, I say.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:27 (twenty-two years ago)

... point taken, except that Rosenbaum actually liked Titanic. (I don't think he's above fun, either, as he had a rollicking good time at Small Soldiers, for example.)

I think the distinction I make that puts critics like Rosenbaum and White (I mention these two particularly because of their tone, which many people insist is condescending and vengeful) above Ebert is that film criticism... or, at least, film criticism that aims to mean something other than to tell you whether or not you should see a movie (as a film prof once said to me: "every film is worth watching at least once") is usually more about the person reflecting and writing about the film in question as it is about that film. Purely objective "checklist criticism" (good cinematography, a stunning performance, clever jokes) means nothing to me. I'm not saying Ebert is a checklist critic, but he does more often than not seem to be striving for a very objective tone.

Different strokes, obviously, but I prefer reading a very personal opinion that I happen to disagree strongly with (most of A. White) than merely nodding along at a basic description of a given film's socio-cultural-zeitgeist position at the moment it opens (which is what I think Ebert excels at).

At least we both love Gertrud... am I right?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Far above the socio-cultural-zeitgeist, are we, Eric?

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever could you mean, Kenan?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm the opposite. I hate reading blog entries about movies, no matter how accomplished the writing. I want to know -- is it any good? Is it important (not is it important to you)? These are basic questions, and usually do not require fancy answers, only a solid working knowledge and a sense of the history of film. Ebert has this.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

(Methinks maybe this conversation should be detoured back over to that film criticism vs. music criticism thread, but I'm too hopelessly lost in that thread to start anything up there...)

It's pretty difficult for me to trust anyone who decides that a film is or is not important -- and not even important for me, for the writer, but just for everyone. First and foremost, any standards of what is considered "good" in film need to be held in suspect if not outright contempt. Take the films of Brian De Palma, for example. Nothing he does could be considered in "good taste," as far as the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences' definition of "good" has developed. Is he important to me? Hell yes. Is he important to others? Not for me to say. The best I can do is suggest how perhaps the cultural barriers between good and bad films might be interfering with one's reading of his films....

But I suppose I could just as easily stop now, since you hate reading blog entries on movies. ;)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm bored now. Off to the movies!

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm with you on that one, chum!

By the by, I can't help but feel it's a bit ironic having this discussion in the first place, as I'm much more into movies than music in general, and have been posting at cinephile's message boards a lot longer before I stumbled onto this neat place. Like with you (only opposite), I sort of operated under the assumption that music was very much a totally subjective thing and the best any blog writer could do was to merely suggest the music was worth my time. I've certainly been disabused of that notion since reading some of the insights here.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Eric - could you name a daily newspaper film critic who write in the tone you prefer? this is basically a question of venue isn't it?

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 25 May 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably, but that's not what the original assertation of Jess stated. There's no question that I prefer the writings of the free alt weeklies to the morning papers (though, to be fair, most film reviewers at daily papers really only write one day a week as well: every Friday).

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 25 May 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, that wasn't clear. I meant to say that I probably could find a daily writer whose work I like alot, but in general I find a lot more to like in the Village Voices and the City Pageses. (Though I do understand how that style can be seen by some as self-indulgent.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 25 May 2003 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, I don't really think Ebert's the 'best working english language film critic' by any means, though film critics aren't something I tend to rank beyond 'ones I read' and 'ones I don't', and even this has as much to do with where they work than anything else - I tend to read the Times and the Voice anyway, hence I read Elvis Mitchell, Tony Scott, James Hoberman, Amy Taubin, etc. - Hoberman's the only one I'd bother to seek out the way I have to remind myself to seek out Rosenbaum or Chris Fujiwara (the only other working english language film critic with a net presence I think to seek out). Ebert links thru Drudge, is a good read, I read him.

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 25 May 2003 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Fujiwara is great, right up there with Steve Erickson as far as net critics go.

(Also, though I'm biased because I've engaged in conversations with them, I have to say that Zach Campbell, Ed Gonzales, Damien Bona, Jaime Christley, and a great number more have done as much as anyone to shape my understanding and appreciation of film at the moment.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 25 May 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoops. Should be Gonzalez.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 25 May 2003 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll also say (tying this back into 'I love music') I can't think of (m)any working english language film critics (I can think of maybe five working tagalog film critics) who excite/interest/surprise me as much as Frank Kogan or Chuck Eddy or a half dozen other music critics I could name (a good 80% of which post here sadly enough). I can't think of any who I read just for their sentences (unless we count the occasional Anthony Lane, and he's really a book critic in sheep's clothing).

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 25 May 2003 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

where can you read Erickson online?

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 25 May 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Chronicle of a Passion.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 25 May 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

thanx!

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 25 May 2003 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck yes! thanks for the link!

M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 25 May 2003 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

uh...that's not the Steve Erickson I thought it was--sez about 2/3 down "I am not the novelist Steve Erickson, nor do I know how to get in touch with him." I'm sure this guy is cool--I'll read him--but just in case anyone else is expecting the novel-writing/Los Angeles magazine guy....

M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 25 May 2003 09:01 (twenty-two years ago)

he wrote about movies for spin veeerry briefly mid-nineties or so

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 25 May 2003 09:19 (twenty-two years ago)

he's a dumbass. but his use of 'heart of the sunrise' in b66 was cool.

chaki (chaki), Sunday, 25 May 2003 09:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Gallo has always given me the feeling of somebody who woke up and said, "I'd like to be depraved and edgy, but I'm too sallow today."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

This conversation has gotten disappointingly serious. More Gallo anecdotes, please!

(regarding film critics, Ebert & Charles Taylor rock)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Sunday, 25 May 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"I'd like to be depraved and edgy, but I'm too sallow today."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! XD

janni (janni), Sunday, 25 May 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Re. something mentioned a bit upthread, it will not suffice to prove J. Rosenbaum's populism by citing his "love" for Small Soldiers. He gave that film 4 stars as a means of putting down Spielberg's Private Ryan, which he gave 1 star for jingoism etc etc. So I'd characterize him as a faux populist.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 25 May 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

The film looked gorgeous though, I forget the particular method Gallo used to process his film stock but the results were distinctive.

it wasn't a process, he shot it on reversal film

slutsky (slutsky), Sunday, 25 May 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned I kiss you

M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 25 May 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

"salt in the wound"

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 25 May 2003 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

No, he gave Small Soldiers 4 stars in comparison to Private Ryan. His essay on both backs up his 4 star rating for the former, in my book.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 25 May 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

And if you really hate the guy, that's entirely justified (he is a tough cookie), but I'd never accuse him of being "faux" anything. He reads extremely true to his convictions to the point of being a prick, maybe, but he's not faking.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 25 May 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

To Janni and M. M.: *bows* I do try. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 May 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Kael is the only movie critic I've ever been enraptured with. Rosenbaum and Hoberman I don't get...that snobbish tone they effect makes me think they're just film geeks who got lucky: guys who want to slap the reader around with their freaky knowledge.

More rock critics impress me than film critics do. They're livlier. Maybe it's because the commerce/art dichotomy isn't quite as vexing, and maybe it's 'cause rock critics don't have to bother with narrative and can talk about OTHER THINGS like Beyonce Knowles' hair. Which doesn't mean they do, just that they can. Oh, I suppose film critics can too, just that they don't, or at least not often enough. Actually, rock critics don't talk about Beyonce Knowles' hair all that often either. But in rock criticism it wouldn't be weird to talk about her hair. Usually. Umm...

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Daddino you might like Manny Farber who often talked about things--like the way an actor held a cigarette, etc.--that may contemporary critics would find incidental. And he wrote really well.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 26 May 2003 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)

New Gallo piece.

That several French critics liked it was, Gallo said, "almost like salt in the wound."

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 26 May 2003 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

And YES I believe Jonathan is a faux-populist because when he disapproves of a major phenomenon like Pvt Ryan he doesn't seem to ask, in a sincere way ready for any answer, why people like the film, what audiences get out of it. He blames Spielberg, he blames the producers, he blames the cultural gatekeepers that he so often fails to actually identify beyond Harvey Weinstein (!!) -- the result has this paternalistic quality like he's asking what's being DONE TO THE AUDIENCE without wondering what it is the audience brings to a given film. His overall outlook on film seems guarded, sectarian, afraid. He looks for the same verities in everything--he finds more to admire in a tony film like Actress than in something like Chinese Feast--which would be fine if I thought he really asked himself questions about why.

All that said I do think he is a fine critic and his perspective is a good one to have. He is certainly as good a critic as Ebert, and it's perhaps my taking for granted his many attributes that allows me to criticize his faults. It's a relative thing. People I know tend to look down their noses and Ebert so I feel obliged to defend him, because I think he's good. When push comes to shove absolutely I'd trust Rosenbaum's taste more than Ebert's, but being a critic should be about more than defining/refining/challenging taste. Rosenbaum makes stabs every week at doing something more but it's always laughably half-assed. His long-promised book Movie Wars, rather than deepen, organize, and nuance his analysis, just turned up the invective.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 26 May 2003 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I commit the sins of which I accuse Rosenbaum ALL THE TIME, just to be clear. But I'm young, is my excuse.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 26 May 2003 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

gallo would be proud of this thread i think

Chip Morningstar (bob), Monday, 26 May 2003 07:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, Movie Wars seems to accentuate Rosenbaum's faults as of late to an almost exasperating extent. But both Placing Movies and even Movies as Politics have a much better balance of invective with insight. (Also, the latter features Rosenbaum's best defense of his political approach to film criticism. It should be read as a foundation to everything else he's ever written... I mean, if one's interested in reading him at all.)

I can't remember who (might have been Charles Taylor, actually) that said something like "expertise in a field in which everyone assumes they are an expert is often dismissed as snobbery." Words of wisdom in my opinion.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 26 May 2003 08:34 (twenty-two years ago)

To clarify, I don't mean to suggest at all that I have any sort of major expertise in the field of film (simply a major interest at this point that I hope someday forges into the territory of expertise).

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 26 May 2003 08:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I second the Manny Farber recommendation. He wrote better than any critic I've ever read, despite seemingly only liking 3 or 4 movies. (He said he liked Howard Hawks but didn't have much praise for him beyond "Scarface.")

Rosenbaum's Small Soldiers/Ryan review was CLASSIC, just for its sheer insane chutzpah, although I agree that it was somewhat unfair. I think he's generally a good writer, and I appreciate his uniquely non-condescending attitude toward Orson Welles (which D. Thomson could take a lesson from), but his elitism grates, and his willingness to blame George Lucas for all the problems of the world is a bit stupid.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 26 May 2003 08:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I really like the songs he did for Buffalo 66, so I say CLASSIC.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 26 May 2003 09:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, by the way... I third Manny Farber. His essay on Taxi Driver is one of the flat-out best pieces of film criticism I've ever read. No discussion allowed on this.

Thank you Justyn for remembering that criticism can and often should be, among many other things, interesting-cum-fun.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 26 May 2003 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't remember who (might have been Charles Taylor, actually) that said something like "expertise in a field in which everyone assumes they are an expert is often dismissed as snobbery." Words of wisdom in my opinion.

But if I'm going to read a film critic (or a philosopher or a critic or a historian), I'm not interested in mere "expertise" in a field, however expert that expertise might be.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 26 May 2003 11:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Difference of opinion, then. Simple's that.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 26 May 2003 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's James Agee's 1948 review of the film You Were Meant for Me: "That's what you think."

Ha! I've always been a fan of pioneering smart-asses. Kael, too.

scott seward, Monday, 26 May 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i have never been opposed to interesting cum fun

mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, a random purchase this weekend from the used bookstore reminded me again of the critical brilliance that is Joe Bob Briggs. All hail.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 May 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

he lives on my block (or right around the corner) so i see him around fairly often. he gives off bad vibes, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

yancey, we must hang out more often...i am overdue for a gallo sighting...

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 31 May 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't bother reading the other billion answers, so forgive me if this just reiterates what someone else said..

I dig him because he turned me on to "Heart of the Sunrise" by Yes on the Buffalo 66 soundtrack, and the fast parts of that song are the only Yes suff that have ever interested me and that song is pretty good, at least until the guy starts singing.

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Saturday, 31 May 2003 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I love people who only want to talk and could care less what anybody has to say.

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 31 May 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

me too!

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 31 May 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

blowjob

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 05:54 (twenty-two years ago)

In his defence, VG was super good in two Claire Denis films, "Nenette et Boni" and if "Trouble Every Day" wasn't daring I don't know what is. Plus I really, really hope he managed to piss off Harmony Korine, whose films are completely wretched. And.. thinking about it.. the film as a flashpoint for all the french-american discord at Cannes is pretty interesting already. I hope it does find a US distributor, I'll go see it.

daria g, Tuesday, 3 June 2003 06:46 (twenty-two years ago)

You have to admit VG seems like a foul show-off, very manipulative! I don't mean in that he puts the camera on himself or whatever, but not arguing with the critics, accepting what they say, then saying that French critics liking his movie was like 'salt in the wounds' - this is such a disarming response. The Village Voice calls him a 'renaissance perfectionist' but really, these two response are both so uncalled for - hatred and worship! He reminds me very much of Andy Warhol - he captures the 'scene' very well, - is man of society, and sometimes after you love something that he's done, you hate yourself for having been taken in by your own time.

m-ry-nn (m-ry-nn), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow.

Sharp-tongued Vincent Gallo has launched a scathing attack on "fat pig" movie critic Roger Ebert - after the reviewer claimed the indie filmmaker apologized for making his widely slammed flick The Brown Bunny. The movie caused uproar at last month's Cannes Film Festival with its graphic oral sex scene between Gallo and actress Chloe Sevigny. But fuming Gallo vehemently denies he has apologized for making the film. He says, "I never apologized for anything in my life. I like the movie. I had 100 per cent creative and financial control of it and if I didn't like it, I would have changed it. The only thing I'm sorry about is putting a curse on Roger Ebert's colon. If a fat pig like Roger Ebert doesn't like my movie, then I'm sorry for him." Ebert wrote in American newspaper Chicago Sun-Times that Gallo had expressed regret for making Brown Bunny to a reporter from US movie magazine Screen International.

http://us.imdb.com/PeopleNews/2003/20030603/#2

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I prefer to believe Ebert.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

The guy is way past dud and accelerating out the other side at Mach 10.

Alex K (Alex K), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

More on the Brown Bunny scandal: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0323/peranson.php

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

goddamit I linked that already

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Fat Man shoots back at Misanthropic Provocateur:

"The (brown bunny) fur continues to fly between Roger Ebert and Vincent Gallo. Ebert says he has no idea what Gallo meant the other day when he bragged that he'd put a curse on the critic's colon, "but when I had my last colonoscopy, they let me watch it on a little TV, and it was far more entertaining than [Gallo's film] 'Brown Bunny.'" (N.Y. Post) "

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 3 June 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

told!

s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

this is the best dust-up ever

s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

as The Onion so eloquently put it (on a very different occasion), Ebert wins

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

that's still one of my favorite onion moments!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

haha! i had forgotten about that.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

wow, could Mark Peranson's article have had its nose a little further up Gallo's ass or what?

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

gallo needs to record a "without me" style rant for his next album

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

no, that would take an exertion of energy that goes against his whole passive-aggressive simp persona

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to hear him do a "Lose Yourself"-style personal power anthem myself.

s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

can we have the phrase "anti-drama" banned for eternity?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

This whole debate is so boring. Gallo's mission no doubt achieved; what else did he want really? It's even likely his film will get distributed.

What's sad is that a number of mediocre American and European films in the festival's first half convinced a number of American journos to leave when some apparently wonderful films from Asia, without marquee directors, appeared out of competition in its final days.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

half the foreign press always clears out early and then goes 'what?!!! almodovar/von trier/whoevah didn't win? I didn't even see THAT movie!'

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

"and ebert?/you can get clap from chloe/you 46 yr old fat fag..." *goes on the nod*

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

A-MEN, amateurist! (re: the second part, though I agree on the first part as well)

(Even among the most intelligent sets it always boils down to the American films every year, doesn't it? This year wasn't only about Dogville, Elephant, Mystic River and Brown Bunny)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

paris hilton as kim mathers

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

coco moore as hailie

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

harmony korine as benzino

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Even among the most intelligent sets it always boils down to the American films every year

let's not forget about my hometown boy Denys Arcand!

s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't.... but my point was most would.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, he did win a bunch of awards & get lots of coverage.

s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

that arcand flick got as much press as anything else ('the one flick miramax bought' etc.)

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

that's all I'm saying

s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

No, don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that Arcand doesn't have or doesn't deserve the buzz he has (I'm sure I believe the opposite). What I'm talking about is the pre-competition buzz in American mainstream press which, if it exists at all, almost always focuses on the American films in competition or by directors who have had some success in America (Von Trier). That's what I was complaining about. (And, I'd add even further that I'm excited to see all of the American films in competition as much as I am to see Arcand, Desplechin, etc.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Entertainment Weekly claims its very unlikely anyone will ever see this movie. That would be a shame.

I liked Peranson's article. Also, Hoberman on Gallo was prime.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i "I stopped painting in 1990 at the peak of my success just to deny people my beautiful paintings. And I did it out of spite.""

Great quote, but he does seem to be a tosser.

http://www.buddyhead.com/other/vincentgallo/page_3.html

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, so Gallo said Ebert has "the physique of a slave-trader," which stings considering Roger Dodger's wifey wifey. Anyway, Ebert strikes back:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/entertainment/cst-ftr-ebert04.html

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

This came as a blow to the French. Their national pride could not abide the notion that an American film was worse than any of their own, and so a few days later they countered with Bertrand Blier's "Les Cotelettes."

Evil, but very funny.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I want to see "The Brown Bunny" now just from the Ebert/Gallo feud. It cannot really be as bad as the critics have made it out to be. I think it is safe to say that Gallo has a better aesthetic sense than Ebert. Most critics are incapable of making a suitable film in the first place. Ebert would probably say that the Matthew Barney's "Cremaster" films are boring.

Obviously, "The Brown Bunny" is not for the mass audience, but you gotta give it to Vincent though for making something totally uncompromising and getting a ten million dollar budget for such a small scale operation.

Sounds like "The Brown Bunny" is heavily influenced by "Two Lane Blacktop," a masterpiece of film that is often derided as dull and boring by people who think Kevin Smith is bold and daring and just fucking hilarious.

We just don't have the attention span for such films anymore, and I suspect "The Brown Bunny" is such a film. I commend Gallo, even though I haven't seen the film yet. I hope this is not his last film.

Cub, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Cub, that's really condescending.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know where I find myself in this mess (won't know until I see the film), but Gallo seems to enjoy behaving like an adolescent, and Ebert is a critic who has mostly earned my trust and admiration, so, um. And the Cremaster films are hardly beyond criticism.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't see any condescension in my comments. I stand by what I say. The Cremaster films would bore the hell out of the vast majority of the the masses. If they don't like them, that's perfectly okay. Film is after all, an artform for the masses. Nothing is beyond criticism, and critics are vital for art. But the Cremaster films are brilliant.

Vincent Gallo is simply fencing his persona within the film industry just like Matthew Barney hustles the artworld. That's what it's all about. Gallo is similar, but he is a "renaissance" hustler. But I don't believe he'll write the Great American Novel since he doesn't seem to enjoy reading novels.

Buffalo '66 was one of the greatest independent films ever made. Sure he borrows a hell of a lot from Cassavettes and French New Wave auteurs, but there one can emulate far worse.

Cub, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't see any condescension in my comments. I stand by what I say. The Cremaster films would bore the hell out of the vast majority of the the masses. If they don't like them, that's perfectly okay. Film is after all, an artform for the masses. Nothing is beyond criticism, and critics are vital for art. But the Cremaster films are brilliant.

Vincent Gallo is simply fencing his persona within the film industry just like Matthew Barney hustles the artworld. That's what it's all about. Gallo is similar, but he is a "renaissance" hustler. But I don't believe he'll write the Great American Novel since he doesn't seem to enjoy reading novels.

Buffalo '66 was one of the greatest independent films ever made. Sure he borrows a hell of a lot from Cassavettes and French New Wave auteurs, but one can emulate far worse.

Cub, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry for the double post.

Cub, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

basically anyone referencing "the masses" can bite me.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

it's condescending day on ILX!

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't see any condescension in my comments. I stand by what I say. The Cremaster films would bore the hell out of the vast majority of the the masses. If they don't like them, that's perfectly okay. Film is after all, an artform for the masses. Nothing is beyond criticism, and critics are vital for art. But the Cremaster films are brilliant.

yeah but Cub I don't see why you need to drag the Cremaster films into this--you're assuming (based on what?) that Ebert wouldn't like them, & using that to disparage his brown bunny comments--it's kind of pointless no?

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Most critics are incapable of making a suitable film in the first place.

also you must admit this is nonsense

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

"I think it is safe to say that Gallo has a better aesthetic sense than Ebert." - Up! blows away Buffalo 66 so easy it ain't even funny - and I like (bits) of Buffalo 66

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The Cremaster films would bore the hell out of the vast majority of the the masses.

Thank you, Raskolnikov.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

harf

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

cub still hasn't taken me up on my offer.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Up! blows away Buffalo 66 so easy it ain't even funny

It all comes down to this:

Beyond the Valley of the Dolls vs. Buffalo 66

Russ Meyer and Ebert all the way.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

they should have a screen-off!

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

(with an applause-meter of course)

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, I rubbed you guys the wrong way today! I love popular art and what's wrong with using the word "masses." And I refuse to bite you, because language is language, and it's not like I'm calling them sheeple or something. Filmgoers are often intelligent enough to distinguish between good and bad films, but now Hollywood markets such drivel and take away so much money from people, they are the ones who should bite you amateurist. The corporate media are the true insulters of intelligence.

Some critics have become the greatest directors we have know, like the Cahiers du Cinema crew. There were really fanboys with a fanzine of their own. But they still worshipped Brecht.

I would watch almost anything over Ebert's colon. I'll take "The Brown Bunny" over the "Ebert's Round Brown."

Cub, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

what's wrong with using the word "masses."

It implies you're somehow separate from them. In reality, we're all individual voices IN the mass, and something which you like -- I'm not talking about film here, but anything in general -- might be seen by someone else as an indictment for you just being 'one of the masses' in turn. So I wouldn't be so quick to condemn.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Cub, your last post isn't even coherent, how do you expect me to reply?

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.nypost.com/photos/pg6060403i.jpg

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

BILE-spewing filmmaker Vincent Gallo is still throwing bombs at famed movie critic Roger Ebert. PAGE SIX readers will recall that Gallo called Ebert a "fat pig" and put a curse on his colon after the reviewer wrote about his critically lambasted "Brown Bunny," and Ebert responded by telling us he's lost 30 pounds — and suggested Gallo gain 30 IQ points. Yesterday, the "Buffalo 66" actor/director called us to deliver this pleasant message: "You tell that hamhock Roger Ebert he could lose 30 pounds a day for the next four years and still be fat. As for the curse on his colon, what I actually said was that I put an unremovable black magic curse on his prostate, which will enlarge into a large cancerous ball by the fall. . . . I want to challenge that fat cow to an IQ test. I bet him $1 million dollars to take a public IQ test against me. By the way, tell him I also put a curse on [Gene] Siskel [Ebert's partner on TV's "Siskel and Ebert," who died of complications from a brain tumor in 1999]." When told of Gallo's latest outburst, Ebert replied: "I wish Mr. Gallo a speedy recovery."

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/36030.htm

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

DEAR GOD THAT IS THE MOST FRIGHTENING PHOTO EVER.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Vincent Gallo IS Robert Evans in "Work the Shaft: The Movie"

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

to give credit to the man, my little sister now knows Vincent Gallo's name instead of him just being 'that tard in buffalo 66'

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

STAY AWAY FROM MY LITTLE SISTER VINCENT GALLO!!!

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

he looks like vincent d'onofrio in men in black crossed with phil spector!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

"Beyond the Valley of the Dolls vs. Buffalo 66

Russ Meyer and Ebert all the way."

A-fucking-men. I liked Buffalo 66 but Beyond the Valley of the Dolls is a bizzare-o masterpiece of the highest order. Not a dull moment in that film anywhere.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone who likes Beyond the Valley of the Dolls really owes it to themselves to see Up!. and it's a pity 'Who Killed Bambi?' never really got made. (um, tatu to thread maybe)

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

amateurist, it wasn't my intention to create an incoherent post, I thought your offer was "bite me.":) If it was something else, please clue me.

Ned, I agree completely with you on the individual as one of many thing. I probably just came across as a bit aloof. That's just part of my nature though.

I do love this Ebert/Gallo feud. Gallo shouldn't take it too such a personal level with the Siskel comment. That's just as nasty as nasty gets. And Ebert is a funny guy.

What I would like to see is Michael Medved's review of "The Brown Bunny," because if Medved says it is a bad film then it must be good.

Cub, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

if only that were true.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

and it's a pity 'Who Killed Bambi?' never really got made.

That would have been genius.

One of the most enjoyable nights of my life -- seeing a screening of Beyond at UCLA when it was still officially out of circulation, back in 1991. A huge number of old punk band folks and scenesters showed up -- chatted with one of the guys in the Droogs for a while -- and the panel was Meyer, Ebert and a good chunk of the actors, including the guy who played Z-man! Allegedly he had been ashamed of the film/angry with Meyer for years, but he was there and the conversation was all good fun. What's her name who played the lead Carrie Nation was wonderfully wry and witty (and is actually British! pretty good American accent in the film).

if Medved says it is a bad film then it must be good.

These days, Medved thinks anything and everything is a bad film that isn't pure fluff that celebrates a specifically monothiestic god.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

he looks like a gigolo trying to pull businesswomen at the airport with an andrea bocelli shtick.

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

personally, I think Gallo was born to play the lead in The Chris Bickel story.

aww yeah

http://members.aol.com/anakrid/photos13.jpg

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 5 June 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(I'm more or less pro-Gallo, even though I agree he's a total turd. At least he's more talented than Nick fucking Zedd, although that's hardly saying anything.)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 5 June 2003 03:57 (twenty-two years ago)

An old bf of mine did a nice Southside Callbox writeup on the Gallo film music record:
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In an interview with the online film publication indieWIRE, independent filmmaker, actor, photographer, painter, model, and composer Vincent Gallo said, "[T]he best interview of Vincent Gallo was done by Vincent Gallo. The best articles about Vincent Gallo were written by Vincent Gallo, the best acting performance of Vincent Gallo was directed and edited by Vincent Gallo from a screenplay written by Vincent Gallo; even the best photographs of Vincent Gallo were taken by Vincent Gallo. So you see, this is painful for me."

Listening to Vincent Gallo's Recordings of Music for Film, it's easy to see what he means. These experimental, reticent musings, culled together from his various movie scores (including Buffalo 66, The Way It Is, Downtown 81), are best taken as a personal experience from their creator. The only alternative is a direct emotional response from the individual listener. Everything else is bullshit analysis in lieu of pure feeling.

Gallo provides ample liner notes describing his experiences with the underground. Though he writes elegantly and pointedly about his artistic flourishes, his dogged passion to the medium, and indifference (or dislike) toward industry practice, it's best to save those reflections until after hearing the sounds as an egotistical listener. Divorce them from the movies they accompany, and they stand on their own as fleeting tone poems running a minute or two each. It's good to let the blues, the romance, the yearnings of Gallo wash over you. Try to believe the songs were written for your own introspection.

1. Her Smell Theme. The lonely strumming sounds become distracted by smoky drifts of another theme, as one guy in his apartment has wafts of perfume or sweat in his heartfelt recollections.

2. The Girl of Her Dreams. Discordant notes pile up, trying to get somewhere, forming a cluttered pattern. Underneath is a deep, low hum. Damned if I can't get it straight, but damned if I won't try.

3. A Brown Lung Hollering. The heart is too big for the chest and rattles against the ribcage, as striking sounds and saxophone foghorns erupt.

4. The Way It Is Waltz. A piano accepts circumstance and hopes for something more. It's atypical Gallo, and it's easy to imagine thoughts about some girl. And it must be raining.

5. Glad to Be Unhappy. A teasing little smile of a song has notes flickering away like a wry chuckle.

6. Brown Storm Poem. More waves of dread come creep, creep, creeping in.

7. Good Bye Sadness, Hello Death. Ah, shimmering epiphanies! Here's a song Martin Scorsese might have used in The Last Temptation of Christ, a full minute of wholeness.

8. Brown Daisies. The tune plays low, with its eyes looking at its feet as it walks down the street. It doesn't look where it's going, coasting on an instinctive rhythm and pace.

9. And a Colored Sky Colored Gray. A touch of blues guitar, sitting on the dock of the bay when it's overcast and a little cold outside. The clouds don't roll away, but they've merged into a deep bed for all your doubts to linger on.

10. Fishing For Some Friends. Friends are good, and sometimes absent. Let's take a more literal attack, though, and say the song is about a hunter stalking its prey -- only the guy is a doofy fisherman whose bait and tackle box rattles around as he struggles with his line.

11. Six Laughs One Happy. It's the lone triangle sound in this chamber expression piece that stands out for me and says "Bing! Bing!" Talk about your bright-eyed, perky individual in a room full of groaning hangovers. I don't know whether to embrace it or brush it away.

12. Sunny and Cloudy. Music to march to? A heartbeat and a clarion call go about their business side by side. Another day's work lies ahead.

13. No More Papa Mama. There are a few instruments at work here, but it's all about one guy playing alone on the guitar. Liken it to the guy camped out on the bench in Grand Central Station as busy, busy people are a gigantic blur around him. Yeah, he's moved out. And now what the hell is he supposed to do? Think, think, think.

14. Fatty and Skinny. Thick notes and thin notes -- I suppose they co-exist, though they don't interact. They only become more entrenched.

15. Her Smell Theme (reprise). Still that perfume... and all those bittersweet romantic thoughts and feelings have grown lucid, richer, and more vivid.

16. Lonely Boy. "Show a face from my childhood days," a voice sings. It sounds like an old recording of girlish, nostalgic charms (in fact, it's Gallo's vocal). "Now and then I start to cry," the voice pines, and it's really too bad. Romantics, prepare to be crushed under the weight of your own intense desire.

17. A Falling Down Billy Brown. So it goes, as it were. But you don't have to be happy about it. Those bastards...

18. Drowning in Brown. Let's all go to a midnight disco club, and maybe there'll be swinging trouble there.

19. A Somewhere Place. More nostalgic romanticism, but there's something so endearing about the small squeaks of the guitar that come before each lovely chord.

20. A Wet Cleaner. As Dennis Hopper advised Christian Slater in True Romance, "Just slow it down, maaaan!"

21. Sixteen Seconds Happy. Why is it that we associate happiness with wind chimes? But yes, it's tranquil.

22. With Smiles & Smiles & Smiles. There is no visual or verbal association for this tune. It's music for glazing your eyes over, which is not necessarily a bad thing. You want to find the closest couch or beanbag and sink into it, hearing stuff like this. The abrupt climax is slightly unnerving, and appropriate. Where did that vibe go?

23. A Cold and Gray Summer Day. The opening notes are left to linger in the air. This meditation on melancholy is obsessive, reflexive, subjective, compulsive, repetitive, hauntingly bleak, and startlingly beautiful.

24. Brown 69. It's a song with personality, and there's enough mystery about that person that you'd like to get to know them better. But does mystery preserve attraction? And is that a reason to return to Brown 69? The slow, sloping, downbeat rhythms have a meandering, quiet man's attractiveness.

25. Dum Beet. The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long. By the time you've adjusted your vision to the flashing lights, it's already gone.

26. Me and Her. Melodious complications that feel like the opening of a heartfelt ballad, and purposefully never get there. Keep up those defenses.

27. Ass Fucker. Experiments in sounds culminate in a festering nightmare. It ain't gentle, but it's quick.

28. Ass Fucker (reprise). "No, please! Please!" Hey, come back here! I'm not finished with you yet! (Or is he simply fixing the rusty carburetor?)

29. I Think the Sun is Coming Out Now. Some bleary-eyed optimism at the end of the tunnel, shaken and a little crazed but perhaps the better for having suffered through it. Then the music slowly fades away into nothing.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 5 June 2003 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I continue to be amazed at how anybody at all takes this guy the remotest bit seriously

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 5 June 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i lost a lot of respect for ian penman when he appeared to be snookered by him in that wire review a year or two ago

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 June 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

what he reminds me of most is this guy I used to know--friend of friends--in Minneapolis who basically did nothing at all but wore a ratty sweater all the time, talked in an affected monotone, listened to Flying Saucer Attack with a glazed look on his face, and smoked. his sentences were stilted and made little literal sense. essentially, he was a guy who'd figured out a shtick--if you pose hard enough, people will think you're an artist. invent enough backstory to go with some meandering crap you've thrown down (on canvas, on tape), and people will believe your work has deep resonance.

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 5 June 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

and then you moved to a city with 8 million people just like that

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 June 2003 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

as opposed the 450,000 that reside in your neck of the woods, yes

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 5 June 2003 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)

the best ilx post about jody beth rosen was written by jody beth rosen

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 5 June 2003 04:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Vincent Gallo's theme song, courtesy of one W. S. Gilbert:

If you're anxious for to shine
In the high aesthetic line
As a man of culture rare,
You must get up all the germs
Of the transcendental terms
And plant them ev'rywhere.
You must lie upon the daisies
 And discourse in novel phrases
Of your complicated state of mind;
The meaning doesn't matter
If it's only idle chatter
 Of a transcendental kind.
And ev'ryone will say,
As you walk your mystic way,
"If this young man expresses himself
 In terms too deep for me,
Why, what a very singularly deep young man
This deep young man must be!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 June 2003 04:47 (twenty-two years ago)

JBR I kiss you

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 5 June 2003 04:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i'm going to take up the persona of the guy who sits on the park bench with his headphones on staring down hipsters who hasnt shaved for a few days

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 June 2003 04:51 (twenty-two years ago)

oh wait

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 5 June 2003 04:52 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.hudsonfineart.com/quietplaces/large/mansittingbench.jpg

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 5 June 2003 05:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I continue to be amazed at how anybody at all takes this guy the remotest bit seriously

I know you're not referring to me and it's presumptuous (and foolish) to jump back into this now, but it's not so much a question that I take Gallo seriously (which I don't) as it is a fact that I sure as hell don't take Ebert seriously. His crack about French movies in that last column, as modestly amusing as it might be, is really stupid. When you've got a target like Gallo, why the hell resort to bashing French movies?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

"It is true that I am fat, but one day I will be thin, and he will still be the director of The Brown Bunny."

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

If Gallo were truly badass he'd have an Ebert lookalike suck his dick in his next movie.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't remember who was involved, but let's for the sake of argument say it was Winston Churchill and Eleanor Roosevelt.

ER: "You, sir, are drunk."
WC: "And you, madam, are ugly, but at least tomorrow I'll be sober."

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

i think you'd be missing out on some good writing if you decided not to take ebert seriously at all. yes he has problems and blind spots but don't we all!

i think "buffalo 66" was interesting enough to presume that gallo is not simply some huckster or charlatan as some seem to suggest.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)


I've read him many times, and I can honestly not remember the last time I've read something from him that has resonated with me and changed the way I've looked at any particular film. Most of the time, he reads like Leonard Maltin with a lot more column space to fill. Perhaps you can direct me to a review or essay? (and yes, we all do have our blind spots. if my thinking that ebert has never offered me anything of critical currency, then let's call that one of my blind spots.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry... should read "if my thinking that ebert has never offered my anything of critical currency needs to be considered a blind spot..." so on so forth.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

his "Great Movies" appreciations are always very thoughtful--you can find them here: http://www.suntimes.com/ebert

I think he's an excellent enthusiast.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I knew those were going to be mentioned. I've read them. Rather than open up another can of worms that has nothing to do with Vincent Gallo, I'll withdraw from this one.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I fondled his CD at Kim's last nite.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

remind me never to shake hands with you again

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...
Just why is Matos so vehemently anti-Gallo? I think there's some history there...

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

yes: I find his work and his persona totally annoying, as stated about 100 times on this thread already, if you'd bother reading it

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 1 January 2004 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, I was going to say sexual frustration. Wrong again.

dean gulberry (deangulberry), Thursday, 1 January 2004 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

if anything I hated him even more when I was having sex on a regular basis

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 1 January 2004 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)

This was, incidentally, my favorite thread all year and the only thread I responded to more than once.

*shameless nostalgia-masturbation session over*

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 January 2004 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Brown Bunny looks fine.

LA vs. NYC, Thursday, 1 January 2004 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I really must listen to some Gallo's 'music for films'. It must be some of the worst music ever given some of the commenst on this thread.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 1 January 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

the frusciante songs are fucking mint

scottjames23 (worrysome-man), Thursday, 1 January 2004 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

honestly, couldn't bother to check all these answers, BUT PLEASE DO NOT CHEAT YOURSELF OF THE V. ENTERTAINING STORY OF THE CREATION OF 'THE BROWN BUNNY, AS TOLD BY THE NY OBSERVER!!!

it's here:
http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=7480

Jay Kid (Jay K), Friday, 2 January 2004 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm, from Gallo above:

As for the curse on his colon, what I actually said was that I put an unremovable black magic curse on his prostate, which will enlarge into a large cancerous ball by the fall

Better sacrifice another goat, dude. Your last one sucked.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Please, Gallo is funny. Or he's not. Does it matter? It's all schtick. Let's move on, already okay? Isn't there a new Rapture record to discuss or something?

dean gulberry (deangulberry), Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
listening to the film music CD (called 'recordings of music for film' is it the same thing as mentioned above?).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 7 February 2004 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

yep, same tracklisting.

eleki-san (eleki-san), Saturday, 7 February 2004 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...
did anyone see the ATP or London shows in April?

La Monte, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

whn is that Frusciante collab coming out?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

the ATP show was with Frusciante, and he has some songs on the Brown Bunny soundtrack, they aren't in the film though. i didn't know there was a collab recording in the works...

La Monte, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000E6YYY.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

is that the Brown Bunny soundtrack? When did that come out?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

it's only out in Japan.

La Monte (La Monte), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

But you can buy it through Amazon.com. I can't believe Sevigny okayed that cover.

Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

That cover is, um, amazing...in its own sicko way.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

McGee on music: How Vincent Gallo taught me to love Yes

The pop-culture polymath has used his spectacular tastes to introduce people to much-maligned musical genres. But if only he could get around to releasing his own recordings

Vincent Gallo is one of the few modern renaissance men. He boasts a long list of achievements and I can add another: Gallo is the only person who could persuade me to get into the prog-rock band Yes.

Every time I play Tales from Topographic Oceans, I have to laugh at myself and ask: "Am I really listening to Yes?" The band were a joke back in 1977, associated with creepy basement dwellers who read fantasy novels while watching VHS tapes of Rick Emerson stabbing his keyboard with Nazi daggers. I'd always sided with punk rock's reaction against 17-minute songs, so it took the musical wisdom of Gallo to show me the error of my ways. He's proved you can be both a Yes fan and a Ramones fan (kudos to Gallo for getting Johnny Ramone a film role in Stranded and for being godfather to Chris Squire's child).

Gallo's musical opinions are always spot on. For a start, he's gone on record to say he prefers Journey's Don't Stop Believing to Radiohead's OK Computer. Need more evidence? Just look at the tracklisting for the Brown Bunny soundtrack … it's genius! The critically misunderstood film shows Gallo as a man of spectacular musical tastes. Brown Bunny is the answer film to Monte Hellman's Two-Lane Blacktop and stars Gallo as anti-hero Bud Clay as he goes on an existential search through America to the sounds of Gordon Lightfoot, Jackson C Frank and John Frusciante. Amazing. On the soundtrack to his masterpiece Buffalo 66, Gallo repays his debt of influence to prog rock and includes great and original covers of King Crimson and Yes. I still remember being shocked at how much I enjoyed the soundtrack. Gallo vanquished my own musical prejudices towards the era of musical excess. I was curious enough to get Tales from Topographic Oceans, and had to admit he was right – it's a classic album.

The facts show that if something was happening in New York in the late 70s and early 80s, Gallo was at the epicentre of it. At 16 he moved there and started a no wave band with Jean-Michel Basquiat. Gallo was heavily into the downtown art scene, playing with the Bush Tetras and Lydia Lunch, and was a regular at Manhattan's Mudd Club. Hip-hop? Gallo was there, starting his own rap act Trouble Deuce, and as Prince Vince he appeared on the shortlived, iconic and utterly street Graffiti Rock. Twenty years later and he's making appearances with Rick Rubin in Jay-Z's 99 Problems and rapping with RZA. The man is a pop-culture zeitgeist.

Despite all this, Gallo's own recorded musical output has been curiously limited. Sure, there are treats out there for people willing to spend outrageous amounts of money, but he has only had two wide releases on Warp: When, a cool number inflected with the spirit of Moondog, and Music for Films and Recordings, a compilation of Gallo's previous scores and cinematic offerings, twisted and bent into shape for general release. This is somewhat frustrating. Gallo is sitting on a mountain of unrecorded material; even in the mid 90s, when I heard talk of him signing to Sony and recording with Bunny member Lucas Haas, prog-rock producer Eddie Offord (producer of Tales from Topographic Oceans), Beastie Boy Adam Horowitz and DNA member Tim Wright, I was excited – but nothing happened. And again he recorded in 2005 with Sean Lennon and Jim O'Rourke, but has this project been released? No.

Gallo sparked my musical curiosity when he announced his new improvisational project RRIICCEE, featuring a rotating lineup (Eric Erlandsen of Hole was a founder member). The band's musical manifesto is to create tours only featuring improvisation, to dispense with the recording-industry model and be true to the music. Yet again, no records appear to be forthcoming. Is he refusing to release his recordings out of spite (as he did with his artwork)? Or is he too preoccupied with other projects? I don't know. But I'd like to hear more from the man who helped me understand the complicated and majestic beauty of Yes.

velko, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 19:37 (sixteen years ago)

ugh

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 19:46 (sixteen years ago)

the man who helped me understand the complicated and majestic beauty of Yes.
hee hee, ugh is right. though i will admit that Buffalo 66 made me revisit Yes. Though I already owned Tales from Topographic Oceans ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 19:49 (sixteen years ago)

lol @ "Rick Emerson"

velko, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 19:54 (sixteen years ago)

dude's touring on the west coast now

cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 20:06 (sixteen years ago)

http://graveyardshiftshane.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/vincent-gallo-when.jpg
this is a very good album

I saw him on that RRIICCEE tour--I was probably one of a handful of folks there for the music, as the first 3 rows were packed with girls trying to catch his eye. He wore a long blonde wig and didn't say a word the entire show; at the end the girls gathered around the stage hoping he'd come back but he didn't, which made me chuckle. Now the music was tedious "improvisation" with his nasal-ly croon atop it periodically, which was a letdown for me given how much I like the album mentioned above...

Malcolm Money, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 22:25 (sixteen years ago)

The sheer amount of time and effort this man spends wheeling and dealing vintage bass guitar knobs on eBay (not to mention snatching up his own memorabilia whenever he can) almost undermines his place as one of popular culture's greatest self-mythologizers since Orson Welles. Almost.

Goethe*s Elective Affinities, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 04:04 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

Vincent Gallo is so great

puff pastry hangman (admrl), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:35 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

no he isn't

am0n, Friday, 11 May 2012 04:15 (thirteen years ago)

newish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYyWo0JL62g

LaMonte, Friday, 11 May 2012 04:21 (thirteen years ago)

Would laugh when the AV Club would do it's yearly christmas catalog of unlikely and ludicrous items available over the internet and end with the same punchline: a vial of Vincent Gallo's seed he was selling on his website for $10,000 dollars, maybe more, for prospective mothers. Also, Gallo's refusal to sell to any females who weren't caucasian.

I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Friday, 11 May 2012 04:21 (thirteen years ago)

Vincent Gallo is so great
― puff pastry hangman (admrl), 14. Jaanuar 2011 16:35

[1 year passes...]

no he isn't
― am0n, neljapäev, 10. Mai 2012 23:15 (6 hours ago)

did enjoy reading this part of the discourse. really.

t**t, Friday, 11 May 2012 11:08 (thirteen years ago)

neljapäev, 10. Mai

am0n, Friday, 11 May 2012 14:38 (thirteen years ago)

everybody I know who's worked with this guy has nothing but awful things to say about him

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 May 2012 15:27 (thirteen years ago)

five months pass...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_leggenda_di_Kaspar_Hauser

am0n, Sunday, 4 November 2012 21:11 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnPh97aRRVw

buzza, Sunday, 4 November 2012 21:18 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4YQGIuamnA

am0n, Monday, 5 November 2012 01:36 (thirteen years ago)


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