Defend the indefensible: Mick Jagger Solo

Ain't gonna sweat for you
Ain't gonna sigh for you
Ain't gonna cry for you
If you're lazy

Ain't gonna slave for you
Ain't gonna hurt for you
It just won't work for you
If you're lazy

I was really excited to hear Wandering Spirit because of Rick Rubin's involvement, but it was the same ole Mick dreck.

His best non-Stones stuff has been collaborations with others, "Don't Look Back" with Peter Tosh and "State of Shock" with the Jacksons.

But isn't the "Performance" OST version of "Memo From Turner" officially a Jagger-only song?

And Live at the Hollywood Palladium was a wonderful, fun record.

However, I will check out that missing track from Goddess, although there's no way that fucker's getting me to buy his CD.

"mick likes a lot of shit" -- keith richards.

"defend the indefensible: emo" is a great idea for a thread!

But if you REALLY wanna howl, check out his work with "Papa" John Phillips..."She's Only 14" especially.

The legendary Rolling Stones' guitarist has flown into a rock and roll rage against Mick Jagger over the singer's decision to accept a knighthood, the ultimate nod from the British establishment.

"I don't want to step out onstage with someone wearing a coronet and sporting the old ermine," Richards told British music magazine "Uncut" in an expletive-rich interview.

"I told Mick it's a paltry honor ... It's not what the Stones is about, is it?"

The Stones, still rocking after 40 years, made their names with crunching rock classics including "Satisfaction," "Street Fighting Man" and "Brown Sugar."

A 1967 Stones' album was entitled "Their Satanic Majesties Request."

Despite his near spotless rebel credentials(????), Jagger, 60, is scheduled to become "Sir Mick" at a Buckingham Palace ceremony on December 12.

He will join British musicians Paul McCartney and Elton John who have already been knighted by Queen Elizabeth with a touch of the sword.

Richards' own chances of arising Sir Keith, already thought slim after 59 years of hard living, will have receded even further.

Oh, and Wandering Spirit is great.

What We All Need: the Mick Jagger solo comp.

Track listing:

1. God Gave Me Everything
2. Put Me In the Trash
3. Just Another Night
4. Don't Tear Me Up
5. Charmed Life
6. Sweet Thing
7. Old Habits Die Hard
8. Dancing In the Street
9. Too Many Cooks (Spoil the Soup)
10. Memo From Turner
11. Lucky In Love
12. Let's Work
13. Joy
14. Don't Call Me Up Listen
15. Checkin' Up On My Baby
16. (You Got To Walk And) Don't Look Back
17. Evening Gown

How does a tax exile get a knighthood?

listening right now to goddess in jann wenner's doorway for the first time ever, in rhapsody, and it's really not bad. lead track "visions of paradise" and lenny kravitz collab "god gave me everything" have hit me so far. not sure if rhapsody has that hidden track discussed upthread though. sigh. "hideaway" has a vague tattoo you soul thing about it.

i'm still not sure what benefit anyone, including mick himself, gets from a mick jagger solo album. was keef not available to make a stones album at the time or something?

well, it allows Mick to actually be seen with Bono, Rob Thomas, and Wyclef without Keef going after him like in the "One Hit (To The Body)" video.

a s-s-s-seventeen track solo Jagger comp?
why on earth be so defensive?

The crazy thing here is that for a "Best Of" it doesn't include the few songs that seem worthy. No "Visions of Paradise," "Throwaway" (with Jeff Beck) or "Wired All Night." I"m not claiming acute greatness here, but more worthy of inclusion than some of the tracks that were picked. Of course, this is a perverse distinction for the most part.

I got a press release about that solo best-of, but it didn't indicate what a fucking hash the sequencing would be.

You picked the two tracks I would've included too, smurfherder ("Throwaway" and "Wired All Night"). On the other hand, at least he thinks "Evening Gown" is worth preserving.

do you think Mick had a hand in this? I can imagine him dispatching some lackey to handle the details while he shops for wine in Ibiza. Now photo approval was probably all him...but the actual tunes? hmmn...

lets work, in all its cheesy glory.

to repeat what keith richards once said, "mick likes a lot of shit."

Good lord, David Fricke gives it four and a half stars on Rolling Stone site:

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/16496251/review/16682334/the_very_best_of_mick_jagger_wbonus_tracks

so it fails to live up to the glory of Goddess Of The Doorway, then

or Goddess In, wtfever

Yeah, the five star coup is reserved for the new Springsteen alone, apparently.

Interesting. I thought ALL "contractually obligated" reviews were 5 stars in RS. Maybe Mick didn't return Jann's latest email and was docked a half? Obviously, Bruce knows how to IM a friend.

Could "Chrome Dreams II" be the next five star album? It is Neil, after all.

Could Radiohead? They're "Cutting Edge" enough. Or do we have to wait for the new REM?

has Mick ever listened to "Let's Work"?

probably -- that's why he was running like a girl in the song's video.

i just heard "Charmed Life" on a dell commercial last night. what a GREAT song. newish. produced by Rick Rubin. dubby. i thought this was some old stones track from their disco/reggae phase at first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWhflDA2WtU
stupid video though.

^^^^

Yeah, I heard the Solitare mix on the radio last month (before it was on the Superbowl commercial) and and had the exact same thought.

hmmm
Guess Who’s In Mick Jagger’s New Supergroup?

A crazy lineup of people! Namely: the Eurythmics' Dave Stewart, Joss Stone, Damian Marley, and A.R. Rahman (of Slumdog Millionaire fame in America, and just regular all-around fame in India). They're called Super Heavy; they've been together for eighteen months; and they're planning on dropping their debut in September. Wow! So: Either these people have the most scintillating conversations ever heard, or they just sit around after practice avoiding eye contact.

say what?

lol

I read about it in Rolling Stone this weekend.

Can't believe Will.i.am was busy.

i like to think the lineup was picked by Mick going through his google contacts w/a blindfold on

The Not Ready For Gorillaz Players

I'll defend the cover art of Primitive Cool, which I think is awesome, and also I had She's The Boss on LP when I was a kid and I can still sing the chorus to "Lucky in Love," having not heard it in like 25 years.

I love "Throwaway" - I've put it on a few CD-R's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu_MhgIFDGM&feature=player_embedded#at=58

this sounds really good, guys

jk it sucks

I was going to say.

in before 5 star review

in which my slow internet connection acts as a defence mechanism

if anyone has the capacity to take screengrabs from youtube, we could poll the facial-expressions-denoting-pleasure-in-the-mess-they-are-making amongst the players

i always wanted all of these people to work in all of these genres

if the organ guy had a swivel chair you could probably use him to generate electricity like a dynamo

it is funny how stubborn jagger is -- i bet if he hired t-bone burnett or someone and made a straightforward blues/folk/rock record he'd have grammys galore. but he sticks with the idea of being a current pop star for some reason. it's almost admirable.

admirably terrible.

What the fuck is going on?

What The Fuck Is Going On, the debut album from SUPERHEAVY

he could follow the Robert Plant example but nooooo – he wants to be Peter Pan.

Wow, that is awful.

it is funny how stubborn jagger is -- i bet if he hired t-bone burnett or someone and made a straightforward blues/folk/rock record he'd have grammys galore. but he sticks with the idea of being a current pop star for some reason. it's almost admirable.

I've read some stuff from Rick Rubin re:Wandering Spirit, and that's basically what he wanted to do for him on that album. They went as far as cutting a bunch of still-unreleased blues songs w/The Red Devils backing him up, but Jagger vetoed them in favor of stuff he was more "into".

That SuperHeavy vid is exceptionally poor.

and Wandering Spirit is his best solo record cuz it sounds the most Stonesy.

here are some of those red devils sessions: http://unheard78.blogspot.com/2009/08/mick-jagger-red-devils-famous-blues.html

I hope they tour the shit out of that.

TS: Superheavy vs. Satellite Party

"this cultural one-stop shop"

why is dave stewart in such high demand? has he done anything cool since the eurythmics? he seems to have this weird poor man's rick rubin reputation for no apparent reason.

i hear he has a killer wine cellar.

lol at wikipedia
Initially conceived to help promote the launch of a new platform being developed by Nokia for entertainment media on their smartphones,[citation needed] the band was originally composed of The Rolling Stones lead vocalist Mick Jagger, former Eurythmics guitarist Dave Stewart, Devon singer Joss Stone, and Bob Marley's youngest son Damian. Jagger and Stewart then called in Indian musician A.  R. Rahman[2]
Eventually the Nokia deal collapsed.[citation needed] They decided to continue, presenting themselves as having formed completely on their own, and not as a somewhat prefabricated unit, put together mainly for a communications corporation.[citation needed] The group began the works of their self-titled debut album in early 2009 when Jagger, Stewart, Joss Stone, Damian and Rahman experimented at a studio in Los Angeles, trying to "write songs which had meaning". They recorded about 35 hours of music with some songs originally lasting "an hour and 10 minutes" before they were whittled down.[3] The album was previewed at Jim Henson Studios, Los Angeles, on 30 June 2011. The band played eight of the recorded songs at the event.[4] Their debut single, "Miracle Worker", released on 6 July received mostly positive reviews.[5][6]

he seems to have this weird poor man's rick rubin reputation for no apparent reason.

A good way of putting it. Maybe his guitar squiggles and beard signify sincerity. He's done decent yeoman's work for Bryan Ferry.

experimented at a studio in Los Angeles, trying to "write songs which had meaning"

like robots

http://cdn5.davestewart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Super-Heavy-crop3.jpg
everyone looking pretty uncertain here

ok listened to this twice god knows why...

but...like how could this be 10X worse than it sounds on paper? yet, it does! how is that even possible?

which one is Dave Stewart?

the hat/glasses/beardo

my joke didn't work this time :/

ha, i see now

Let me point out for the record that Jagger's sports coat was fashionable in 1986.

Clearly Stewart is simply on the rebound from the disappointing failure of Platinum Weird:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kH-g5Sqnvo&playnext=1&list=PL800B2DF9A01FCCD8

Good god, what type of nonsense was that. Makes Chris Gaines look straightforward.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_Weird

Basically, dude is like the British Don Was. Cred at some point, mostly known these days for being one of the few guys able to tolerate the whims of the rich and famous in the studio. Because I mean, God only knows what it's like to produce Mick Jagger.

Good god, what type of nonsense was that. Makes Chris Gaines look straightforward.

Wikipedia entry definitely a must-read for fans of failed elaborate memes.

I can defend Stewart on the basis of Curve alone, but that's about it.

hm yeah, platinum weird! never heard of it. an elaborate, fascinating backsto ....zzzzzzz.

You know the problem with Platinum Weird? Too weird.

It had to happen:

The Dave Stewart Search for Commercial Success and Vague Respectability In His Own Right Again Please Thread

i think dinosaur types pick stewart because the last time they were vaguely aware of contemporary music Eurythmics were big

"Him or Jeff Lynne, right?"

"Yeah...let me check..."

This is pretty much the culmination of everything Keith Richards was talking about wrt Jagger in the last half of his autobiography.

super heavy mk. I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwzphA0Wpko

that was sad

i thought the tubby bass player was brian wilson at first. also weird to see richard manuel

WHHUU-UH-UH-UHT THE FUUUUUUUCK IIIIIISSS GOOOOO--IIIIIING AWWWWN?

I thought that was Richard Manuel playing drums! Wonder why they didn't show pictures of him with the Band like they did with Sebastian, McGuinn and dude from the Rascals.

Waitaminute if that is Manuel, it was probably filmed right before he killed himself. That is sad.

My favorite Mick solo tune: "Throwaway," one helluva rocker from '87 with fiery Jeff Beck guitar.

xpost and, uh yeah, pics of Ronnie Spector too, duh.

kinda like that song.

^^very yacht.

WHHUU-UH-UH-UHT THE FUUUUUUUCK IIIIIISSS GOOOOO--IIIIIING AWWWWN?

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jesus christ that video. I had to watch it twice now. I guess that's what happens when you form a band almost entirely consisting of singers.

maybe entirely? not sure about bass player dude from NRBQ

This needs Annie Lennox.

My heart is deep in the countraay
But I life for the citaaaaay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY0B8x8enb8

He'll always have Don't Tear Me Up, which is better than any Rolling Stones song from the last uh, 30 years.

Morbid curiosity about video with Richard Manuel upthread

Yikes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlXnJgJJzck

I remember seeing this at the time, everyone was talking about it the next day.

This thread exists so that one of us can post the latest version of "Let's Work" some hardy soul uploaded.

And I am glad for that.

GUESS AH'VE GOT THE WINNIN' TOUCH

http://media.mtvne.com/manual/intl/warner/2009/USAT20704554_640x480_01.jpg

Eurgh.

The songs with the Red Devils (link above is dead) are actually pretty decent. Not great, not as good as the Red Devils' album without Mick Jagger, but decent.

I liked She's the Boss when it came out. Decent band line up too, Laswell and his normal group of cronies who also worked on the Burning World (Swans) and PIL's Album.

tears of laughter:

http://youtu.be/_li_d_YviZ4

Ha ha, came here two years later to post that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHkhIjG0DKc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN9YLLQl7gE

trenchant social commentary

Finally -- a worse song than "Let's Work"!

According to the comments, naysayers are just jealous of Mick's physique.

I haven't bought a record Mick Jagger has been involved with since 1992, and I kinda hate Dave Grohl and most of what he stands for, but I don't get what's so uniquely terrible about this. I mean it's exactly as not good as I would have imagined it would be, but it doesn't even crack the top 1000 most terrible things I have ever heard

It's fine. I mean, this track woulda fit on Too Much Too Soon just fine and even a weak-ish Dolls album is still the Dolls.

I'm just glad Mick (or Dave for that matter) aren't on the COVIDiot thread.

(I realize the anti-science faction of Foo Fighters doesn't technically include Grohl but he is the fightingest of Foos and he let that shit happen.)

Don’t know whether to FP you or report you to Robert Christgau for that comment.

Lol, Alfred.

Ripping off the Puss in Boots riff doesnt mean it sounds like the Dolls ffs.

Ah yes, nothing like having the 77 year old man worth 400 millions tell you everything’s gonna be ok and he wants to get freaky.

I played this like 8 times in a row this morning. I think I got addicted to a) how much it sucks as well as b) how much it doesn't suck.

The Rolling Stone interview is actually pretty good.

Why did you decide to write about conspiracy theories?

It just seems to be that even people you know that are relatively sensible about a lot of things have one thing that they just don’t kind of get. I have several friends and relations and they go off on these things that just doesn’t… They’re just irrational. Of course, there’s no point in speaking to people about it. They don’t get it. They got what they believe in and they believe in that. And it doesn’t matter what you say, they’re gonna believe in it. And rational thought doesn’t work.

Even a country like France that prided themselves in the 18th Century on rationality is the most anti-vaccine country in Western democracy. It’s not as if [vaccines] are a new thing. When I was a child, which was a really long time ago, people would die from polio. They would just not be there the next day. And that’s been eradicated through vaccines. These poor children were either dead or crippled, and I had lots of friends like that. Would you rather have a vaccine if you had a child or would you rather their legs not work? You can’t argue with these people. So that’s how I got to the conspiracy theories; through the anti-vaxxers. Even I didn’t mention it in that verse; I probably should’ve though [since] I just went off on it. [Laughs]

Just listened… It was better than I thought it would be! I like the chorus.

I imagine Van Morrison listened to it and went 'this, but unironically'.

Lol

someone pls poll the individual lyrics of this song

The one that goes like - "Am I gaining weight?, think I'll have another drink, then I'll clean the kitchen sink" - hits very close to home for me, lol

It's not what I would call a good song, but having listened to it all the way through I sort of like it. Actually laughed out loud at "Everybody sing 'Please Please me.'"

i wish there could be a vaccine to un-hear mick saying "everything's smooth and greasy"

I understand Mick originally wanted the vocals buried in the mix of the Stones stuff so people would buy the records and try to decipher the lyrics. With every line ignominiously splattered across the screen in this video, I guess those days are gone!

I wonder how many people don't even know he plays guitar.

Disappointed Dave Stewart isn’t involved

If we poll the lyrics, I'm voting for "see my poncy books/ teach myself to cook."

Even though the song is in many ways aggressively stupid, there's something kind of sweet about it too, imo; it feels like the same friendly version of Mick that we saw in that "You Can't Always Get What You Want" video at the very beginning of lockdown.

XP DAVE GROHL IS THE NEW DAVE STEWART

"Disappointed Dave Stewart isn’t involved"
or Greg Kurstin for that matter

I wonder how many people don't even know he plays guitar.

― but also fuck you (unperson),

A friend told me what a shock it was in 1978 to see him strumming an electric guitar onstage.

Lily Dale otm.

Curiosity got the best of me (and also because I had been listening to a lot of Jeff Beck lately). I can't say I'll play those first two albums ever again, but they both had one cut apiece that I'm sticking on a reference disc for '80s Stones music: the title track of She's The Boss and "Party Doll." The former fits in pretty well between the dance-oriented keepers from Undercover and "Harlem Shuffle" - suggests a logical path in terms of where Jagger wants to go musically. "Party Doll" sounds pretty good coming between the angrier Dirty Work cuts and Keith's own "Take It So Hard," where you hear something like a dialogue between Mick and Keith after the band falls apart.

And Wandering Spirit is actually commendable, mostly for the quieter cuts - nothing earthshaking, but removed from whatever marketing hype that must've surrounded it back then, it's surprisingly a decent album, at least to me. He does a really good version of "Handsome Molly," a great folk song I was very familiar with thanks to Dylan. (see the 1962 Gaslight tape that's a favorite among collectors - Starbucks put out most of it on a CD in 2005)