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How much better would _Wild Mood Swings_ have been if "Home" had been on it instead of "Mint Car"?

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Also, imagine "Home" on the greatest hits comp instead... IT'S ALL SO MUCH BETTER

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

You are a deeply wise and thoughtful man.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously though, it's like one of the best b-sides they've come up with. Hell, it's one of the best SONGS they've come up with. That little gasp at the end of the chorus SLAYS me.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Mint Car is a song that means something to me. I think it is a keeper. Not moody and broody Cure but still worth a spin and a spot on the album. Surely you can pick on another song?

― Sean Monkman, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I have no problem with Cure songs that aren't moody and broody (see: "The Lovecats", "Why Can't I Be You???", "High", "Hot Hot Hot!!!", "Jumping Someone Else's Train", "Cut Here", "Just Say Yes", etc etc etc). I do have a problem with Cure songs that are poorly written and arranged and BOY does "Mint Car" fit that description; awkward, muffled drums, uncomfortably brittle guitar, too much yelping as opposed to singing on RS's part, unsatisfying wordplay, bludgeoning, ugly bass... I just think the whole thing's a mess.

And THEN you get to "Return", which is all of that ramped up by a factor of 1,000,000,000. ARGH.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

(Also there's the a-side/b-side link between "Mint Car" and "Home", which is what prompted me to post the topic in the first place.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

What Dan said. My only sentimental memories of "Mint Car" is that I haven't heard it in a long while.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Having said all that, I certainly respect that other people can form attachments to songs I dislike; any bile isn't meant towards the song only and not your reaction to/memories associated with it.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't heard "Home," but damn, I ain't feelin' this "Mint Car" hate. I'd argue "Gone!" is an easier switch for a decent b-side (assuming the Cure diehards are right about this song).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

But I like "Gone!" (Also it doesn't have real b-sides; the single has a bunch of remixes of various _WMS_ tracks on it. I could be persuaded very easily to switch the album version of "Gone!" for the Ultraliving remix, though.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't even remember what "home" or "mint car' sound like.

so many of the b-sides are superior, no?

― kephm, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

'a chain of flowers' or 'breathe' should of made it onto kiss me

― kephm, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

At 17, I would have heartily agreed. At 30, I'm starting to remember that some of those a-sides really are painfully fantastic (see, for example, "Inbetween Days", "Close To Me", "Lovesong", "Lullaby", "Hot Hot Hot!!!", "Just Like Heaven", "Let's Got To Bed", "The Lovecats", "The Hanging Garden", "Never Enough", "High", etc etc etc). Really, the only Cure singles that don't work for me at all are "A Letter To Elise" (good song, poor single especially up against its monster bs), "Mint Car" (see this thread) and "Strange Attraction" (and even that one can get me if I'm in the right mood).

I think you're right about "A Chain Of Flowers" at least, but I wouldn't bump any of the _KM^3_ singles for it.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

oh i wouldn't bump any of the singles. i guess i didnt really answer your question. its the robots. they take over my brain whenever i hear 'Cure'

― kephm, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Those are some fuckin' excellent robots.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

mint car was a great live song=time to go get more beer

― kephm, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

HAHA That does more to redeem the song in my eyes than any other argument I've read!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i have been informed that wbcn (yuck) is interviewing robert , 5pm? friday. i guess nick is going to ask him what is up with the blink-182 connection. (is it true that the new album is gonna use the same producer?)

― kephm, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Ross Robinson is producing the album, he signed the Cure to his new little vanity label thing. As Robinson has spent the last two years offering up 'mea culpas' for new metal and talking about what a fan of bands like early Verve and Doves he is, I'll be intrigued to see if he actually lives up to that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

("cut here" is so so great)

― maura (maura), Thursday, 10 July 2003 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

(the only thing about bad about "cut here" is that it makes you want to buy an otherwise redundant hits collection)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 10 July 2003 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

(ha true! it's like an ad for pay-per-song structures -- i mean it's not like that duet with the republica chick is worth the rest of the $16 or whatever)

― maura (maura), Thursday, 10 July 2003 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

(oh god, I forgot about that republica duet. yick! point well taken.)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 10 July 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

But you also get the acoustic renditions of the songs and they're tres spiff.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 July 2003 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

evidently Ned isn't reduced to tears by the "acoustic" keyboard stylings of Roger O'Donnell. GOD KNOWS I WAS!

the only worthwhile moment I remember on the acoustic disc was when Smith improvs the horns on "Close To Me."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 10 July 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

That's your worry and not mine. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 July 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

evidently Ned's buying front row tickets to Outdoor Restaurant Cure.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 10 July 2003 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh, yeah. The hell?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 July 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing about "Just Say Yes" is that it's really, really easy to ignore Republica chick and bask in the amazing glory that is that groove. And yes, "Cut Here" is completely fantastic. (If you bought the single, you got an enhanced CD with the video on it.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 10 July 2003 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Come on. Cut Here is the Cure by numbers song if ever there was one. Wild Mood Swings was a pretty dire album too (especially in comparision to its predecessor). Treasure is lovely though.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 11:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, the number of Crue-by-numbers songs built on jungle loops is staggering.

I was listening to _WMS_ last weekend and came to the conclusion that about 40% of that album's problem is poor mixing.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm pretty sure Ropert Smith would be surprised to learn that Cut Here was built on jungle loops.

Was the other 60% of the album's "problem" to do with him not really trying, d'you think?

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably that and spending too much time trying to recreate a certain sound rather than just writing new songs ("Mint Car" = the new "Friday I'm In Love", "Club America" = the new "Open") although sometimes it works ("Trap" = The Cure's take on Big Black's "Glass Houses", "Want" = the other new "Open" meets "End").

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Crue-by-numbers

Shout at the devil, Dan.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I will not.

flowersdie, have you listened to "Cut Here" recently? It's built off the "Amen" break.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

(Dan yr endless enthusiasm for this band has made me reconsider selling my Cure Lps, in fact I really like Kiss Me now, thanks to Ned also... say more about how great they are, if you like. Especially tell me what I should like about Smith's voice please cos that's the only sticking point, really, that an "In Between Days" sounding like the most brilliant New Order pastiche ever (that and Wire's 'Ahead', anyway) and actually that's a GOOD THING, isn't it?)

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

The New Order pastiche is most certainly the best thing about "Inbetween Days" (that and the random socks attacking Robert in the video).

One thing in the favor of the later albums is that Robert sings in more comfortable register for most of the songs (the side-effect of making it easier for me to sing along is also a factor). One thing I like about his voice is its passion; he invests everything he sings with whatever the appropriate emotion is, whether it's euphoria, fear, weariness, paranoia, anger, tenderness, etc etc etc. It's rare that you find a singer who emotes like that (this is also a big plus for Siouxsie).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I do like the way he sounds so horny and eager (and still somewhat tender) on 'Close to Me' already, so i'll bear that in mind... btw I have Kiss Me, Head on the Door and Seventeen Seconds, and I'm thinking this isn't too poor a selection for showing what the Cure can do. Am I wrong? SS was sounding quite lovely this morning, something it hasn't done for me before.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh man this is my worst thread derailing EVER, I'll stop. Sorry.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Quite spot on, that assessment -- even if (like me) you're not always noticing the words, though I have to say he's one of the few singers who makes his own words really worth the hearing, but not in a declamatory fashion. More sort of that perfect assessment of mood -- if you'd like a comparison between two similar but still different songs, consider Faith's "The Drowning Man" and Kiss Me's "If Only Tonight We Could Sleep." Both play around with metaphors of sinking into water (the first the more so), but it is interesting how not only in lyrical terms but singing and musically both songs are quite distinct. "The Drowning Man" is focused and extremely downcast, a portrait of a collapse that is monomaniacally represented in everything from the slow-but-staccato lyrics and the feeling of endless descent in the song, whereas "If Only Tonight We Could Sleep" is more of a strange, hazy dream, Robert's singing less one of sheer intensity as it is a flowing portrait of enveloping obsession. And we could extend the comparison in similarity/difference with Disintegration's "The Same Deep Water as You"...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Er? Don't apologize, Andrew!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

That's a decent cross-section, although you're missing their synth-pop phase (_Japanese Whispers_). The newer albums tend to be _KM^3_ with richer production for the most part (even _Bloodflowers_).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Are those the alternate lyrics to "Treasure"?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Well if you and Dan keep going in this vein I'll feel no need to, this is quite fascinating. Yr description of "If Only Tonight We could Sleep" catches what I was loving about Kiss Me a few hours ago pretty exactly. If it isn't obvious already I'm keeping the records, but please feel free to convince me more if you like...

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, no worries -- okay, so you want to get everything ever and start searching for all the rarities and B-sides and...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, goody

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Top b-sides to look out for:

"New Day"
"A Man Inside My Mouth"
"Stop Dead"
"A Few Hours After This"
"This Twilight Garden"
"A Chain Of Flowers"
"Play"
"Ocean"
"Home"
"2 Late"
"Throw Your Foot"
"A Japanese Dream"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

You could also do worse by getting "Carnage Visors" on the one hand and "Ariel" on the other...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Top album tracks (that I think are often overlooked):

"Another Day"
"Siamese Twins"
"Bananafishbones"
"The Top"
"Six Different Ways"
"Homesick"
"To Wish Impossible Things"
"Apart"
"Trap"
"The Loudest Sound"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned I'm not into them to the point of wanting tattoos

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

This will change. In the meantime, ask Dan how much he likes "Push." Because he LOVES "Push."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, I smother you with hate.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh dear, I love that song

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan can no longer talk to you, Andrew, sorry.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I still talk to you, Ned. Stop trying to scare people.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Aw man, you're always ruining my fun.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

No, no, no! etc

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

If you're that into _KM^3_, I strongly recommend _Wish_.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

the new dvd is giving me some faith. i didn't care for the acousitc greatest hits or "cut here". they do nothing for me.

when 'burn'? (the one on the crow sndtrck) came out i was really wishing robert would head more in that direction (dar, brooding, what-he does best) but no luck. WMS came out. what a let down.

some overlooked songs:
lament
birdmad girl
push


― kephm, Friday, 11 July 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"Lament" is absolutely gorgeous, but I thought everyone rated it (which is why I didn't mention it; also it's really a b-side).

And it's good to see another datapoint for my thing about "Push". Grrr.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I also recently realized that "Wrong Number" is twisted genius.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

....if you live in Bizarro-world.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Other great Cure B sides:-

Snow in Summer
Breathe (a track that Global Communication admitted they ripped off on 76 14)
The Exploding Boy
Another Journey By Train
Halo
Throw Your Foot
Just One Kiss
Splintered in Her Head (is it just me or had the Prodigy been listening to this when they wrote Breathe?)

Dan, HOW is Wrong Number twisted genius?

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan, if you like WMS you'd love a band called The Essence ;)

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

And if it's not too touchy a subject, what IS yr problem w/"Push"?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

rated? where?
i like the obscure stuff more than singles. splintered, exploding boy, the list goes on

are you going to listen to the interview on wbcn today? i wont be able to. this blink 182 connection is very bad. can't they just trade with limp biscuit & get al j. on board?

― kephm, Friday, 11 July 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

flowersdie i mentioned 'breathe' upthread.
isn't it so good tho? the intro alone is classic

― kephm, Friday, 11 July 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

we need a cure fap*, but where?

the next nyc tour stop?

― kephm, Friday, 11 July 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm just amazed that people still buy Cure records or find them in any way interesting or relevant in this day and age.

They're horribly dated and not one of their albums has aged well...?

― russ t, Friday, 11 July 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

eat my fuc

― kephm, Friday, 11 July 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I put Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me on again, it's being very good indeed. It's also 5am, though.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

There are certain songs on Kiss Me that I just can't listen to anymore, and am in full agreement with Russ t above. But for every "Fight" (shudder) or "Why Can't I Be You" there is a "Snakepit" "Catch" or "How Beautiful You Are" which I don't think have dated too badly really. I think Mogwai certainly took some of their reference points from this album ("The Snake Pit and "If only Tonight We Could Sleep" in particular)

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

That whole "lime green and tangerine" riff is twisted genius.

There's no touchiness behind my dislike of "Push"; I learned of the song via a lyric book at the beginning of my Cure mania and had a completely different mental image of what it was going to sound like. When I finally did hear it, it was just deeply disappointing. The "Go go go/Push him away" melody is possibly the most banal thing he's ever written.

The only songs on _KM^3_ that I can't listen to are the ones I never liked listening to ("Icing Sugar", "A Thousand Hours"). But I will agree that "Halo" is fucking FANTASTIC.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)


Surely, "I had the best laid plans this side of america,
started out in church and finished with angelica" is the most banal thing he's ever written? Followed by (bleurgh) "Can you Dig it?", Yuk, yuk, yukkity yuk....

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The entirety of "Push" sounds like someone explained the arpeggio to him and he said, "Oh, NEAT! Let me abuse this concept until a random black kid from Minnesota weeps!"

Lyrically the chorus of "Wrong Number" is weak, but fortunately it has that snarly guitar underneath it going, "Ignore the crappy lyrics and look at MEEEEEEE!" to make me happy. Also "Can you dig it?" is a PWEI reference and those should always be encouraged.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Re: PWEI reference. Please tell me you're joking.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

It was probably a Mock Turtles reference, thus crappy.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

RE: PWEI reference. I meant about encouraging it, obviously.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a really, REALLY high tolerance for arpeggios.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Pop Will Eat Itself were absolute geniuses for at least two albums (_This Is The Day, This Is The Hour, This Is This_ and _Cure For Sanity_) with flashes of it throughout the rest of their career ("She's Surreal", "Karmadrome", "Ich Bin Ein Auslaender"). I will not be dissuaded from this. (Ned, back me up!)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

No they weren't. They were facking abysmal. It was their fault for Carter as well. As well as people wearing shorts to gigs. Bastards.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

It was their fault for Carter as well.

TICO TICO TO THREAD!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Andrew, if you have a high arpeggio tolerance you MUST hear Carnage Visors.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Those are arpeggios done right, though! (ie, with the guitar and not in a tenuous, uncomfortably shrieky tenor voice)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever is responsible for Carter should die a terribly slow agonizing death while I get to point and laugh.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Carter covered The Monkees = they can live.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Getting back to this thread (sorry, actually had to do some work here for once) -- PWEI is glorious and grand, Carter perfectly all right, Nicole sadly deluded, Russ T deeply wrong about the Cure, and the Essence extreme hilarity.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Puns. Puns, puns, puns, puns, puns. Undercut hair. Shorts. "Unpretentious". A litany of terrible cover versions of previously brilliant songs, all "Carterfied" as only they knew how. More puns.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

You seem bitter.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Their one redeeming feature was that they supported Crystal Palace.

Why are the Essence reviews in the Jazz Fusion section though Ned?

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

That's beyond my control! Some strange cataloging bug, I guess.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Puns. Puns, puns, puns, puns, puns. Undercut hair. Shorts. "Unpretentious". A litany of terrible cover versions of previously brilliant songs, all "Carterfied" as only they knew how. More puns.

No wonder Ned like them -- he IS Carter! Argh!

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

My evil plot continues.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned's Atomic Sex Machine.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

(I would like to point out that the post which prompted the "Are those the alternate lyrics to 'Treasure'?" comment has been deleted.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Can we get back to talking about how crap The Cure have been since "Wish" now? I mean, wasn't Bloodflowers a letdown? (ho ho)

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Nope.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved _Bloodflowers_.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked two songs on it.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

That's more than no songs.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, now's as good a time as any to ask the Cure fans who have been disappointed in the band since ___________ (insert break-off album here) WHY? I've met people who have said things like, "Oh, it's all been downhill since their second album," and I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

They say the same thing about Depeche Mode, Dan. Sad, really.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

It really is! New Order's in the same boat, too.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

It's just a question of time. And it's running out for you.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

That is simultaneously genius and a reason to kill. You young whippersnapper.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Pretending not to see Ned's gun, I said, "Let's go out and have some fun."

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

faith, 17 sec, disntgrtn beat the life our of WMS , Bloodflowers.

maybe ive been a fan too long,

also , i dont like it when he writes songs about trying to write songs, see bloodflowers ( it used be so easy)
i do enjoy bloodflowers. it jsut doesnt have the same "magic" genius

― kephm, Friday, 11 July 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

How long have you been a fan, kephm? I've only followed them the past 16 years, but my fandom hasn't flagged in all of that time. (It's lain dormant for periods of time, but every time they release something I jump on it and the only time I've been disappointed was _WMS_, and the disappointment there was that the album was good rather than fantastic.)

"The Last Day Of Summer" is such a weary, heart-wrenching song; it's just completely classic.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I really HOPED Bloodflowers would be a return to form. But I just found the whole thing , well, a bit boring really. Some of songs sounded half finished. I did like The Last Day of Summer. I get from other things what I used to get from The Cure. Bands like Mogwai and the Aloof (has anyone heard Sinking? A far better follow up to Wish than WMS) seem to me to be continuing/doing/have done what the Cure were doing on Disintegration,Wish, Kiss Me, even The Head on the Door, far better than The Cure do nowadays. Sorry I can't be more specific, I have to go now. Oh and Ned, I quite like Nothing Lasts Forever by the Essence, though it is quite funny! And the last New Order album was great.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

a fan since '82. i was 8. cure & zep were my first two music loves.
i agree with flowers above

― kephm, Friday, 11 July 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I AM SO FUCKING JEALOUS OF YOU. '82?????

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

it might of been 83, 84. boston has/had grebt college stations. they saved my life

ARE YOU GOING TO LISTEN TO THE INTERVIEW ?

― kephm, Friday, 11 July 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I looked at the WBCN website and that claimed the interview wasn't until next Wednesday.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

so when are you gonna burn me "carnage visors" huh huh? ?

― kephm, Friday, 11 July 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

When you stop being snotty to poor Dan. And everyone who has been a fan since 1982 all sucks because you didn't graft your experiences over to me you fuxors. (Fan since 1987 -- yeah yeah, "Just Like Heaven," don't give me any guff you punks.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

First Cure concert I went to, I got a ride with a woman who was introduced to The Cure in college by going to a Pornography tour concert. I spent the entire ride to Worcester oohing and aahing at here. (She's the main reason I applied for the company I went to work for right out of college, actually.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

when was i snotty ned? i hate debating music.really-one likes what one likes
if anything i aksed a couple question that were ignored, so

clique away.

― kephm, Friday, 11 July 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Aw, I was teasing, fret not. You were just being mock insistent about the interview and I was joshing in kind.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I meant to answer the WBCN one earlier but after I went to the website and saw their planned broadcast date I got distracted.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah ned, my bad, long week, bad lunch make kephmn grumpy!

dan, thanks for the tip!

its you two cure*heads that caused me to stick around this board in the first place.

― kephm, Friday, 11 July 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I meant to answer the WBCN one earlier but after I went to the website and saw their planned broadcast date I got distracted.

by boxing for b00bs i bet! hahaha

― kephm, Friday, 11 July 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

:-0

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 11 July 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The Cure love on ILM is one of the things that keeps me coming back.

I've loved their music since the early 80s too. These are the records I consider essential, personally, in order for my life on planet earth to continue:

Seventeen Seconds, Faith, The Head on the Door, Disintegration, and Wish.

I have to agree/admit that something went sideways (or gone forever) after the latter album. But how can we begrudge that, really? I don't think, back in 1982 or 83 (whenever it was I picked up on them), I would have ever dreamed their impossible dream of longevity. An incredible band.

― David A. (Davant), Saturday, 12 July 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

The longevity thing is a huge mark in their favor, I think.

I don't get why people would find _Bloodflowers_ boring. Is it too homogenous, or are people still not convinced by Mr. Cooper on the skins?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The odd thing is that Jason C. is now the longest-serving drummer for the Cure ever -- close on ten years now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Boris was in the group from November 1984 through December 1994. Jason's just coming up on nine years.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Odd, I thought Boris left a bit sooner than that and Jason came on earlier etc. etc. Well, soon they will be even steven.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Jason's use of loops.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

The recent DVD helped convince me that he does a fine job live -- not that I complained at either the 1996 or 2000 shows I saw but now I think he's a great drummer live as opposed to merely a good one.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps Porl Thompson was the missing ingredient, after all.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Much as I love Porl (and I do) I'm still with Dan in that the only way something would really be missing is if the band came out on stage and did a show without Robert. Though Simon would be the next runner-up, to be sure.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

One thing about missing Porl is they can't do the three guitar wall-o-sound that made many of the _Wish_ tracks so classic ("Open" and "End" in particular).

Having said that, I'd love for them to do a total feedback assualt on "The Hanging Garden" sometime as opposed to their usual drum-bass minimalist approach.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I'll grant ya that one. V. glad I caught the 1992 tour, I have to say (but then again there's always Show -- and the version of "To Wish Impossible Things" from that is the major ROXOR).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I love that Jason used to be in My Life Story...

The Cure should've gracefully called it a day after the end of the Wish tour. C'mon, this band were my LIFE for six years, I never thought they'd be replaced in my head, ever, and then came 1993 and "Razzmatazz" and...anyway.

Who can seriously say they've made anything as worthwhile and fucking astonishing as Seventeen Seconds, Faith, Pornography, Head On The Door, Kiss Me, Disintegration or even Three Imaginary Boys since 1993?

And their influence is becoming all the more obvious: Mogwai we've had, Ride obviously, but what about The Warlocks? The Rapture? Interpol? Sigur Ros? Hmmm.

(huge derail, sorry. to answer the question...no.)

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Q: How much better would _Wild Mood Swings_ have been if "Home" had been on it instead of "Mint Car"?

A: No.

I'm confused.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I love that Jason used to be in My Life Story...

I only just found that out last week too! I loved hearing that (and I loved My Life Story, so).

Now, Dan and I HAVE seriously said enough things about Bloodflowers and enough songs off of Wild Mood Swings and random songs here and there, so your question is answered. Actually, let's talk about how great "Spilt Milk," a Bloodflowers sessions song that only surfaced as some sort of bonus on-line track or something, is.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

(haha Dan/Ned crosspost saying the same thing about the glory of "Spilt Milk" but I'm posting anyway because I like lists)

Also, if they'd called it quits after 1993, I would never have heard the following songs:

"The 13th"
"Ocean"
"It Used To Be Me"
"Adonais"
"Jupiter Crash"
"Want"
"Trap"
"Treasure"
"Bare"
"Gone!" (Ultraliving Mix)
"Home"
"Out Of This World"
"Watching Me Fall"
"The Last Day Of Summer"
"The Loudest Sound"
"Maybe Someday"
"Spilt Milk"
"Cut Here"
"Just Say Yes"
"Signal To Noise"
"Wrong Number" (alternate version)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Treasure, Out of This world and the Last Day of Summer excepted that almost reads like a list of the 20 worst cure songs (with Wrong Number at number one)

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

We live in different worlds and that's that. We're not going to convince you, you're not going to convince us.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Lets kiss and make up. Go on, tell me why you love "Watching me fall".

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Because it's long and loud and builds up a steady sense of drama throughout and...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Reasons I love "Watching Me Fall":

1. That initial lead guitar riff is simplicity defined and all the better for it.

2. The "sucking inside/insatiable screams" lead-in to the chorus is grand.

3. The progression of the chorus itself, particularly the second time when it flips into that bridge is fantastic.

4. The meaty guitar squalls throughout make me smile.

5. The comedown into the last guitar explosion with Robert howling over the top is fantastic.

6. It's 11 minutes long and it never feels like it.

7. FEEDBACK FEEDBACK FEEDBACK

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, hating "The 13th" strikes me as extreme mentalism; in fact, I'd rank it as one of their best singles (the other three from _WMS_ can't compare and I _like_ "Gone!").

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm confused.

That's how it's meant to be, young Dan, that's how it's meant to be.

Also, if they'd called it quits after 1993, I would never have heard the following songs:

[proceeds to list a bunch of totally disposable and ultimately useless, pointless Cure songs]

DO YOU SEE? '93, I tells yer, '93. The year Pulp broke?

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Charlie, speaking as both a raving Cure AND Pulp fanatic, the opposition you describe is curious. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Charlie, speaking as both a raving Cure AND Pulp fanatic, the opposition you describe is curious. ;-)

I'm both too, Ned, honestly, but I also know when enough is/was enough. And it is, for both of them, sadly. Hell, I can survive Relaxed Muscle, but more new Cure material, in 2003? Fuck no. That's just...tragic.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

There's absolutely nothing about Pulp (even Pulp at their best) that speaks to me on the level that The Cure reaches with alarming regularity even in their off moments. I do not claim that The Cure are better than ever, but they are NOT washed up and they are NOT past their prime; they continue to make music that I love and adore every time they step on the stage. At the end of the day, that's all I care about; who gives a shit if they tried to remake _Pornography_ and ended up with something different? They're a different band now and I would never expect The Cure of 2003 to have the same perspective or write the same types of song as the Cure of 1993, let alone The Cure of 2003.

Is _Wild Mood Swings_ their worst album? Yes. Is it a BAD album? No. Why isn't a bad album? It has "Want", "The 13th", "Trap", "Jupiter Crash", "Treasure", "Gone!" and "Bare" on it. Perhaps I haven't heard enough Pulp, but the ONLY songs they've done that appeals to me on the same level as 80% of the Cure's material throughout their ENTIRE career are "This Is Hardcore", "Seductive Barry" and "Common People". The rest of their stuff I'd say is decent, but overall they give me the vibe of a wordier, self-important, inferior version of Psychedelic Furs.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Charlie, what I don't get is this -- are you annoyed that the band has continued without you or just annoyed that they've continued at all?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Part of the danger of building a fanbase out of the jaded and alienated is that at some point they are going to become jaded and alienated with you.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I find WMF an embarressment quite frankly. 11 and a half sodding minutes (but it feels longer) for a song about getting a blow job from a japanese prostitute is uncalled for surely? ;) I just find it all... so unengaging. The worst thing is that he was really proud of it and apparently wanted to release it as a single. Do really think something like WMF would have made it on Distengration, Wish, Kiss me? I would like to think not.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm annoyed that they've continued at all, when there's no *need* for them to have done so. Wish kinda distilled the best bits of everything they'd ever done, and anyone looking back on their career would do well to wonder why they bothered to make WMS and Bloodflowers.

Actually, on second thoughts, I don't think I'm annoyed at all, as such - just disappointed that Robert didn't actually take his own advice and call it a day after Show.

And Dan, I'm not comparing and contrasting The Cure & Pulp - far from it, they're the two most important bands in my life and I'll be surprised if any other act ever has such a deep impact on me, as they have. I was merely suggesting that 1993 was a pivotal year for *me*, since that's the year I reckoned The Cure ran out of steam, and also the year Pulp appeared in my life, as if by magic, to save me from...whatever it was I was escaping from back then. No diss...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd still look forward to the Robert Smith solo album (if it ever appears)

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"[proceeds to list a bunch of totally disposable and ultimately useless, pointless Cure songs]" isn't a diss?

Do really think something like WMF would have made it on Distengration, Wish, Kiss me?

_Disintegration_ already has the seven-and-a-half minute long song about tossing your ex's pictures in the trash, the nine-and-a-half minute long song about making a suicide pact in a lake, the eight-and-a-half minute long song about breaking furniture during a relationship-ending fight, and the seven minute long song about getting obliterated in a bar. I don't think there's very much space left for an eleven-and-a-half minute long song about getting a blowjob from a Japanese prostitute.

(Another way of looking at is that they managed to compress the entire _Pornography_ album down to less than 12 minutes).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

isn't a diss?

Yes, but on the band, not on you! Their quality control's gone right out the window, thinks I. Doesn't make their past glories any less glorious tho.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

B-b-but my comments were directed at your comments about The Cure's quality control!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh...you've lost me now. Which comments? The "jaded and alienated" bit? (which I agree with) Or the stuff about the band being different now and thus making different types of songs? Cos while that's true, obviously, it doesn't excuse the shoddiness and (I'll say it again) underlying *pointlessness* of The Cure's post-Wish output. I just don't get it.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 14 July 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan and I don't see them as pointless, Charlie, jeez! I mean, we're all agreed this is opinion in the end, obv. I'm not saying there's anything to 'get' here beyond that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan, the difference is that the seven-and-a-half minute long song about tossing your ex's pictures in the trash, the nine-and-a-half minute long song about making a suicide pact in a lake, the eight-and-a-half minute long song about breaking furniture during a relationship-ending fight, and the seven minute long song about getting obliterated in a bar, (hang on, which one was that again?) were all achingly brilliant, exceptional songs, not hackenyed rubbish like WMF.

Exactly how did Watching Me Fall compress the entire Pornogpraphy album into 12 minutes? I thought Pornography was a continuation from the Faith album of looking for salvation in the form of the pursuit of money (100 years) and sex (siamese twins, the figurehead) as opposed to religion (most of the songs of Faith), and finding them just as absurd. So you've completely lost me there.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Monday, 14 July 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Good GOD, this is getting ridiculous. People have different views on songs from a band that all agree are/were a great band at at least one point in their career, news at eleven.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

We're only arguing to make ourselves feel less jaded and alienated, obviously.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Monday, 14 July 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I've listed the things I liked about "Watching Me Fall" (which, if you'll notice, I didn't say was the best song on the album or one of the best songs they've written, so I'm a little puzzled as to why you're arguing as if I did). Why does it strike you as hackneyed rubbish?

Charlie, the comments I referenced in my above post are the comparison of The Cure and Pulp that I posted, mostly because my feelings towards Pulp are sort of a minor mirror to your feelings about Pulp (I like Pulp more than you like late-era Cure, hence the "minor mirror", but by-and-large I don't get the depth of emotion/feeling people have for Pulp).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

lets just talk about all the improv 'faith' lyrics from 2000 show!!!

or the flashing planes and highway lights at jones beach as the sun set on the longest day of summer, jones beach 2000---the encore starts with 'plainsong'

robert snarling out "HELLO IMAGE" .

& ok hold up "the kiss" live..do we even need new songs?

i have a dream they will do a fans best-of club tour. opening with a 20 minute version of the kiss...feedback drenched forest, plastic passion..the snakepit.

i am going to go & finish my dreamgig setlist


― kephm, Monday, 14 July 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I want them to do an all b-side concert. Start with "I'm Cold" and end with "Signal To Noise".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

With Halrold and Joe as an encore, please.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, have you heard the live "Harold and Joe" from British TV (I think it might have been Later with Jools but I'm not sure)? IT ROCKS.

The encore should be all of the Easy Cure demos.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Jonathan Ross, I think.

The encore should include a cover of Fool's Dance's The Don Diddy Song!

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Stop putting down the Furs.

― the pinefox, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

No one's putting down the Furs!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

+the live "Harold and Joe" from British TV

is that the one where the band is all wearing dresses, except you cant really see them cause the cameras are all waist up (for the most part)?

― kephm, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that was Boys Don't Cry from the French Version of TOTP.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Back to initial topic - I think 'A Pink Dream' would have been a much better choice than the slightly corny 'Home'

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I do see the corniness in "Home", but the way the chorus creeps up that scale is just BRILLIANT. It's also the one of the few songs from those recording sessions that sounds to me like it was mixed properly.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

(I have to say that when I started this thread, I had no idea it would get this many responses! Granted, about half of them are me refusing to let the thread die, but STILL...)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm getting rid of all my Cure albums except Standing On A Beach and then I'm buying Galore. There's just no point to owning all this non-singles crap.

Just wanted to say!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I might keep Boys Don't Cry

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

It's funny because I remember reading interviews before WMS came out where RS was saying that he considered 'Home' to be the best song they'd ever done... and eventually releasing it as a B-Side?!
'It used to be me' could also have been a fine epic centrepiece, the lack thereof being another of WMS flaws when you compare it to the Cure's last albums

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Thursday, 17 July 2003 06:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that was the odd thing about _WMS_; I'd had experiences in the past where I liked the b-sides more than the album tracks in the past, but the difference between the _WMS_ b-sides and a good 50% of the tracks that made it to the album is just startling.

I mean, an album with "Adonais", "Ocean", "It Used To Be Me", "Home", and "A Pink Dream" on it couldn't help but be great. Who needs mediocre stuff like "Club America" or "Strange Attraction", or truly dire things like "Mint Car" and "Return"?

Anthony, tell me which Cure albums you're getting rid of and I'll tell you the depths of your folly. (Good call on keeping _Boys Don't Cry_, though, as that's the only placce you can find "World War".)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't "World War" just "Shake Dog Shake" in a babygro? Very good tho...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 17 July 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I can see that. The different lyrics/chorus make it a keeper for me. ("No one's a winner/No one's a loser/Just a dead friend" SWOON)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 July 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't recall a track on Boys Don't Cry called "World War." You sure that isn't on Three Imaginary Boys?

Cure albums I'm getting rid of in order of certainty
Wild Mood Swings (taping "Want")
Kiss Me, Kiss Me (taping "How Beautiful You Are," "Perfect Girl", one or two more)
Disintegration (not sure what I'd tape)
Wish (I'm either selling this OR Show, cuz the album tracks I like are on both)
Show

Keeping:
Standing On A Beach (or Staring At The Sea, whichever is the CD title)
"Cut Here" (which I have on a blank tape)

Buying:
Galore

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 July 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

If you don't tape "Jupiter Crash", "Trap", "Bare", "Treasure" and "Gone!" off of _WMS_, I will look at you funny.

If you don't tape "The Snakepit", "Catch", "The Kiss", "Like Cockatoos", "All I Want", "Hot Hot Hot!!!", "One More Time", "If Only Tonight We Could Sleep" and "Just Like Heaven" off of _KM^3_, you might be a mentalist.

If you don't tape everything except "Closedown" off of _Disintegration_, you are definitely a mentalist.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 July 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

dude, Gone!, Hot Hot Hot and Just Like Heaven are all on Galore. As are the best stuff on Disintegration.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 July 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Best stuff on _Disintegration_ = "Prayers For Rain" through "Untitled".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 July 2003 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

dude, what about Lovesong? It's not that I'm a mentalist. It's that I'm a Pop Nazi (in the fun sense of the word).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 July 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"Lovesong" is a fantastic song but I am all about the second half of that album (particularly "Prayers For Rain" and "The Same Deep Water As You").

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 July 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I will give it a heavy listening JUST FOR YOU when I decide whether or not I'm getting rid of it (which probably won't be for over a year).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 July 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

YAY

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 July 2003 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony has heeded Dan's wisdom and avoided sadness.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 July 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

So B-Sides box set in October, I hear + re-issue of entire catalog with extra discs (a la Sonic Youth) next year.. I can't wait for the 'Top' outtakes disc!

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 18 July 2003 06:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony, World War was only on the Vinyl version of Boys Dont Cry, which is why you may not have heard it. It was replaced by So What on the cd version as Robert Smith hates World War.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 18 July 2003 07:46 (twenty-two years ago)

it's also on the tape version

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 18 July 2003 07:52 (twenty-two years ago)

It's also FANTASTIC; RS is a mentalist.

I will probably buy the b-side box set despite owning them all already, as well as all of the reissued discs. (Fabrice, do you have that bootleg of _The Top_ demos? It's FANTASTIC if a little murky and impenetrable.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 July 2003 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I heard it a long time ago and sounded indeed pretty great. Given the experimental approach that the Top was based on, the outtakes of these sessions could reveal some interesting gems..
I'm with you on the box set. I won them all but I guess I could justify the purchase by having all the 1978-1985 B-Sides on official CDs, plus maybe some nice liner notes.
The re-issues on the other hand could be fantastic.

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 18 July 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Are they planning on remastering? I'd love to hear a remastered _Wild Mood Swings_ and see if my opinions on any of the songs changed (for example, there's a lot going on in "Numb" that I like but something in the final product just wears on me).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 July 2003 11:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I think the plan is to remaster the whole catalog.
I am not sure this will actually make much difference on the 90s releases. But it should do wonders for 'Disintegration' where the sound quality just seems a bit thin given the material (*starts anticipating cranking up the remastered "Prayers for Rain" intro...*)

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 18 July 2003 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Yus on remastering -- the recent DVD mentioned that everything would be rereleased and remastered (or rather implied it).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

That was in the interview? I was cleaning while that was on and didn't really pay attention.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

No no -- check the liner notes! It's printed right there.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

It was written in the credits. Next to the tracklistings I think, said that all these three albums would be remastered. From what RS's been saying since it seems the whole catalogue will get the treatment

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

"I AM SO FUCKING JEALOUS OF YOU. '82?????"

Ummmm. Is this a good time for my Cure story?

I used to co-produce a fanzine which we called "Grinding Halt" after first hearing the song on John Peel some time in mid 1979 after Killing An Arab / 10:15 but before the first album came out.

We rang (Small Wonder? Fiction?) to try to arrange an interview with the band and eventually were given a 'phone number to ring which was answered by a charming lady who turned out to be Robert Smith's mummy (he was still living at home at the time) who told us that he was still asleep and could we ring back later, which of course we did.

When we met Robert he told us that after we'd rung, his mum had come upstairs to wake him up and tell him we'd rung, and he was so excited that someone had named a fanzine after one of his songs that he spent the next two hours sitting by the 'phone shivering in his jim-jams waiting for us to 'phone back.

Awwww!


― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I've got a Gary Numan story too if anyone wants to hear it?

WARNING: Gary Numan fans will NOT want hear it!

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Go on..

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Heheheh I only needed to be asked once.

This happened very late '77 / early '78.

I was vaguely familiar with Mr Gardiner because he'd appeared at our local (Reading) punk club, Bones, a couple of times playing in a band called Mean Street.

Then one evening he turned up at the local punks pub, The Star (Dr. C and Mark S may remember The infamous Star?), with his hair beautifully bleached and spiky and wearing a lovely shiny black PVC outfit with lots of shiny silver zips on it and announced that his name was "Valeriun" and his new band Tubeway Army were playing at The Roxy a couple of days later which they were expecting some A&R men to attend and he'd organised a coach and free tickets for anyone who wanted to come along....

One of the larger and more deranged local lads, Steve Kinks, looked up from his pint, started at the hapless Numan and growled:
"Your name's WHAT?"
"Errrrr..... Valeriun" squeaked Numan nervously.
"Nah mate" Kinksy reassured him, "your name is Twat. 'Ere everyone, 'ave you met Twat? Twat's in some sort of band! What's the name of your band again Twat?"

A certain amount of hilarity ensued which culminated with "Twat" being carried out of the pub at shoulder height and thrown lightly off of Duke Street bridge into the canal below.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 18 July 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Incidentally Steve Kinks later died of a heroin overdose whereas "Twat" is still maikng records today. Where's the justice in that, eh?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 18 July 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

His last name's Webb, actually, Gardiner was the last name of his bassist. ;-) Good stories both!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 July 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

You're right of course Ned - wasn't Paul Gardiner his Uncle or somthing?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 18 July 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

No you're thinking of his sometime drummer in the earliest days (who was indeed his uncle), can't recall his name. Pity about Paul Gardiner, he too OD'ed on heroin...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 July 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

jess lidyard

― Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 25 July 2003 04:25 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
It wouldn't have been better at all. "Mint Car" is the best track on the album and one of the best things Robert Smith has ever written.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 27 December 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Eh, no.

one of the best things Robert Smith has ever written.

That's "Push."

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 27 December 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The best ever Cure tracks:

1. Let's Go To Bed
2. Friday I'm In Love
3. A Night Like This
4. Just Like Heaven
5. Mint Car

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 28 December 2003 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

errr...

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Sunday, 28 December 2003 12:00 (twenty-two years ago)


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