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It sounds like the kinda thing I know I should dislike, but "Athsma Attack" rules, and her voice totally reminds me of Team Dresch. I think I'll buy this album unless anyone can give me a good reason not to.

roger adultery, Thursday, 24 July 2003 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

there's an album? cool! saw these guys several months ago and thot it was sufficiently decent pretenders-patti stuff. worth a go, definitely.

Pabst Blue Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 24 July 2003 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

they have another drummer now. supposedly it was an uglee fallout.

abeta, Thursday, 24 July 2003 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

you mean they got ANOTHER drummer other than the guy they got to replace the first (girl) drummer? because the fallout with the girl drummer was ugly I hear, too, like, they just replaced her and didn't tell her while she thought they were on vacation. they're music is OKAY, I bet it'll sound better on a cd than it does live, just a hunch, but they do seem pretty pretentious, and if the drummer stories are true, well.... you know a band with no respect for their drummers is unworthy as far as I see it.

cardboard, Tuesday, 5 August 2003 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
I don't give a fuck about how they treated their old drummer. "Gallowsbird's Bark" is one of the best debut albums I've ever heard, and they may be on their way to becoming my favorite band since Pavement. They are just astonishingly good. I'm seeing them tonight at the Mercury Lounge, and this is the most excited I've been to see a band since I was 18.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 22 November 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

how'd you get a ticket matt? they said they were selling 'em all at the door

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 22 November 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

haha "sufficiently decent" -- i'm pretty blown away by the record. one of my favorites of the year for sure.

disco donut (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 22 November 2003 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't have a ticket, I'm just going early in hopes that I'll get in. Am I being overconfident about my chances or something? I called the Mercury Lounge a few days ago and they said that there were no advance sales.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 22 November 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i was gonna try the same thing. what time are you swinging by?

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 22 November 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm working this out with a group of friends. I'm pulling for around 8/8:30 because I'm paranoid about missing the band. I've never been to the Mercury Lounge, so I have no idea what to expect. I figured that since it's a bar, we could just hang out for a while, which is exactly what we'd be doing otherwise.

I don't know what to expect - there's been some very positive press about the band lately, and they had very nice blurbs in both the Voice and the Onion this week, so I'm nervous that there will be a lot of people turning up for this gig.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Saturday, 22 November 2003 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

The album = one of few things I've been really taken by lately. It's funny how everyone (including me) always starts with the disclaimer: "It's not the sort of thing I think I should like, but. . . ." Yes, it's quite good!

nabiscothingy, Sunday, 23 November 2003 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Are they named after the legendary greyhound of the 1890s?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 23 November 2003 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Certainly music will never be the same again.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i think they r totally diff and much better live

prima fassy (bob), Sunday, 23 November 2003 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I did show up to the Mercury Lounge at 8, but the FFs weren't due to come on until midnight, and there was a big "NO RE-ENTRY" sign on the door. Fuck that; I'll catch 'em next time.

bad jode (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 23 November 2003 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Certainly music will never be the same again.

...not until the next time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 November 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

saw the show last night. my first experience with the f.f., (never heard their music before, but read a couple reviews and stories). it took me he first two songs to realize i really liked the elements involved, (strong woman vocals, royal trux-ish guitar squeals from him), with the exception of the moog oscillations, (too sloppily incongruous). after that, the songs just knocked me over. a ridiculously profound mish-mash of southern rock, doors-y circus waltzes, clash-ified dub moments, and pretenders punk, with the last song before the encore incorporating every late 20th century musical influence that didn't appear on the top of the pops, and lasting at least 10 minutes to boot. the mix, however, highlighted his guitar over her voice, and the keys were extremely loud! a more even mix would've benefitted everyone, (they seemed to have monitor problems throughout the show), but thankfully the merc is small enough so that you don't miss too much i suppose. anyway, they are the next big thing for real! their ability to harness so many different musical styles might sabotage a couple particular critics, but i would think most journalists will have a field day describing them, (like i did without even being a journalist), and that their audiences will just keep fucking love them!

sound lady, Sunday, 23 November 2003 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone here said "OMG way way better at this thing they do than the White Stripes" so I checked them out on that recommendation. That pretty much ruined my listening for me as I was busy asking myself "OK how does this trump 'Girl You Have No Faith In Medicine'? It doesn't even sound like them" and I felt irritable at the whole thing.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 23 November 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

(they didn't say it here, just on their blog. I'd name names but I forgot who)

nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 23 November 2003 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm pretty amazed by the fact that nearly every song from Gallowsbird's Bark in the set had a different arrangement live, some of them drastically different. They were really great, but I prefer the album versions generally - they take their time more on the record, and they get a better range of sounds, and the softer approach suits them a lot of the time, and that didn't come across in their show at all. Even the fastest songs from the record were played in double or triple time - "I'm Gonna Run" was really fun, but it was maybe just a little too frantic and lost some its charm. It's really cool that they treat their songs as living, changeable things, though. The new songs were pretty great, aside from the one new tune which was really long and sort of confusing.

I *need* a copy of this or any of their other shows. I'm hungry for FF bootlegs now, especially since it's so different live.

Nate, give them another chance! They are their own thing, not much like the Stripes at all.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 23 November 2003 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoa whoa whoa - there was an encore? What? They finished and they starting playing a Flaming Lips song over the PA and everyone was leaving...

Oh man, I hope that I didn't miss "Inca Rag/Name Game." That would break my heart!

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Check my recent review in Resonance for my official opinion, but yeah, jesus, 5 months after starting this thread I'm still loving this album. Haven't caught them live tho, but now I am very much loking forward to it. Is there anything else besides the album? singles / demos??


White Stripes? White Stripes wish they could be as original and just plain fucking cool as FF. No contest bro.

roger adultery, Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

White Stripes? White Stripes wish they could be as original and just plain fucking cool as FF. No contest bro.

Considering the source, now I'm back to the ambivalence I had before Perpetua nearly convinced me. Thanks a load.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 23 November 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is that no one on Soulseek has the "Crystal Clear" b-sides? I just know that I'm going to order it on import, and a day later, it'll pop up on soulseek.

I saw both the White Stripes and the Fiery Furnaces this week, and I just don't think they are as similar as some people make them out to be. There's some similar influences (the Stripes are heavy into blues and 70s riff rock, the Furnaces touch on the blues and 70s riff rock here and there, but not quite as literally as the Stripes), but the approach of the bands are very different. I think the two bands compliment each other very well, I don't think they need to exist in opposition to each other at all. The two bands just feel very different.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 23 November 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

In other words: they are both great bands. There's no good reason to pick or the other.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 23 November 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

!

nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 23 November 2003 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Now everybody hug. Christ.

roger adultery, Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought they were pretty good, though you're right, yeah, the keyboards were turned up WAY too loud and kinda had this 'take-me-out-to-the-ballgame' vibe to 'em as a pal noted. also i really wish they'd taken their time with the songs instead of playing them all ridiculously fast. i wonder if they were nervous! i ran into the dude from the furnaces before their set and he expressed fear over his floppy hair falling into his eyes during the show, ha! i think if he had borrowed my headband as i suggested they would've been better!

also what'd people think of franz ferdinand? i thought they were kinda boring!

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

best surprise of the show: running into ilm's very own ARTHUR!! celeb!

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Franz Ferdinand = kind of boring, but perhaps the most ridiculously "angular" band I've ever witnessed.

I Love Lucy seemed like they had some potential to be a good pop band. I talked to the drummer for a bit, and he was telling me that they weren't signed yet. Somebody really ought to snap them up.

Man, I wish I knew what you folks looked like. I was all alone the whole night cos my friends had to bail due to a) illness b) the hassle of the L train not working after midnight c) birthday parties.

I bet the Fiery Furnaces were nervous, Geeta. Eleanor seemed a little uneasy, and I get the feeling that they aren't comfortable with their new drummer and keyboard player. At one point Matt yelled at the other guy for starting a song with the wrong chord, and then on the last song, Eleanor had to step over to block the guy's hand so that he'd stop playing for a moment to make one part of the song more dynamic. Maybe they will fire him too.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

In addition to the setlist, I've got an mp3 of one of the non-album songs played last night over on my bloggy. It's a good song.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Hiya, Geeta! I'm a little hungover today. I'd had a few when you ran into me. I ducked out earlier than I normally would have. I'm eager to hear the slower versions of all those Fiery Furnaces songs. And Matthew--I would have loved to thank you in person for putting those Scissor Sisters songs on your blog. Oh well.

So, Franz Ferdinand--a little too grim for me, for the most part. I liked the the more dancey songs, they were alright. I loved the pint-sized powerhouse on stage left. He looked like he could have been in the Dave Clark Five. And the drummer was cute. Did you see the band before that? They were the weirdest twee pop band I've seen in ages. The singer had this mincing Jeremy Piven thing going on, it was quite captivating after awhile.

Arthur (Arthur), Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, those guys were called Gene Dreamy and Gary Sincere. They were really weird. They kept talking about how they just came out of the closet, but still had all of these songs about girls, and they kept making these funny deadpan remarks about their lack of sincerity in regards to the subject matter. I liked it.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, when they first set up the whole routine, I thought, "Oh, great, snide aging indie guys and their lame jokes..." but they were really funny.

Arthur (Arthur), Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the key to their comedic staying power came from their total commitment to their joke. They never let up.

The songs weren't half bad for twee pop. There was one song in the middle which I'd really love to get a recording of - I think it was called "I Want A Girl" or something like that.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 23 November 2003 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
i saw a picture of them, the girl seemed quite fetching, so i'm pleased to see that some of the ilxors with good taste like them.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 2 January 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry amateurist, I like 'em too

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 2 January 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, I have a friend who is haunted by this band because he thinks the girl looks like his mother!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 2 January 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

All of the photos I've seen of Eleanor do little to convey how incredibly skinny she is in person. Her appearance is very striking - her eyes in particular.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 2 January 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey Matthew, I can't seem to get those links to the FF mp3 outtakes on your blog to work. Is there some trick involved? Thanks.

o. nate (onate), Saturday, 3 January 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I'm sorry, those old mp3s have gone down because I only keep mp3s up for two weeks at a time. There's an mp3 of them doing The Clash's "One More Time" right here which will still be active for a week or so.

If you use Soulseek, I have all of my FF rarities shared, including the b-sides to the Crystal Clear single. I'm "perpetua" there.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 4 January 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm always there too!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 4 January 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you, sir. I should really spend more time on Slsk, I feel. I'm attempting to browse your file list as I type. I would tell you my username but I honestly can't remember what it is, and I can't seem to find any reference to it in the app itself.

o. nate (onate), Sunday, 4 January 2004 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

the clash did a daft punk cover?

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 4 January 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

only in my magical fantasyland where everything is perfect

nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 4 January 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
Is anyone else going to see them in London next Tuesday?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 19 February 2004 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Got sent their new single ('Tropical Ice-Island'). It's really, really good. However, it comes up on Windows Media Player as Lenny Kravitz's Are You Gonna Go My Way. Why?

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

because that is the bedrock from which all contemporary music derives

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

wow i mixed metaphors like nobody's business

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

whose business is it to mix metaphors anyhow and are they hiring?

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm, I have been invited to see them, on saturday. I have never heard anything by them.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I still haven't managed to listen beyond track 5 on their album.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

the video is quite cute. i like them much better on record than live, but the show i saw was at north six in brooklyn - an irritating venue with a very unfriendly stage so perhaps it was unrepresentative.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

lauren check yr email

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 19 February 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

RJG - go, I implore you. I have been listening to their lp to the exclusion of almost everything else for a few weeks now.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 19 February 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

If anyone has the new Tropical Ice-Land single on slsk, please let me know! I ordered it online, but I'm not expecting it for another week or two, and I really really really want to hear it because I love the live arrangement of the song.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a clip of the video here.

The new version is sooooo great!

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

What's different about the new version? Because the album version was my favorite track on that album; I think I will be resistant to any changes.

Scott, Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a new arrangement. It's more up-tempo, and extremely cheerful-sounding. It's not radically different, just the same song in a different mood. It's fast, but not rocking or hard.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 19 February 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The new version is sooooo great!

UGH IT'S AWFUL WHY DID THEY DO THAT??

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't go see them live, then. They play almost everything with different arrangements. I remember the live version of "Tropical Iceland" as being even faster than the single version.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I have seen them live, but that was well before the album came out. I missed their last NYC show.

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

RJG - go, I implore you.

OK!!

RJG (RJG), Friday, 20 February 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i might be there on tuesday!

prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 20 February 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

come to glasgow, once.

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 20 February 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

are you going to this, RJG?

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 21 February 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I went!!!!!

here's what I said:

fiery furnaces were great, btw. they played 'coffee + TV' and 'baby elephant walk' and everything.
-- RJG (r_gillander...), February 22nd, 2004 1:39 AM. (RJG) (later)


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and the girl is hawt.
-- RJG (r_gillander...), February 22nd, 2004 1:40 AM. (RJG) (later)


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and the guy looks like a cross between my flatmate's boyf and a friend of mine's boyf.
-- RJG (r_gillander...), February 22nd, 2004 1:40 AM. (RJG) (later)


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I write better tunes, though.
-- RJG (r_gillander...), February 22nd, 2004 1:40 AM. (RJG) (later)

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 February 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

It's funny that this thread started with drummer talk because I really felt they could use somebody who'd just pound away, Black-Eyed Snakes-style. Maybe they don't wanna rock, who knows...

Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 22 February 2004 06:51 (twenty-one years ago)

the girl is hawt

the guy looks like xander

prima fassy (mwah), Sunday, 22 February 2004 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)

So he's hawt, too.

Arthur (Arthur), Sunday, 22 February 2004 07:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw a video by them last week. the girl is 'hawt'. the music wasn't bad but I can't remember much abt it right now.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 22 February 2004 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)

the girl is hawt. thirded innit.

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I am going to stick up for conventional beauty and say she is not hawt and ur all indie.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

'conventional beauty' => N are you one of those people who 'read' The sun?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 22 February 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, yes I am.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

n. thinks nicole kidman is hawt so he is not to be trusted

jeremy jordan (cruisy), Sunday, 22 February 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I think N. just wanted her to look more like Euros Childs.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

If someone will post a picture of her then, in due course, I will give you a definitive answer.

the firefox, Sunday, 22 February 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes surely it is time for a picture

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 22 February 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

See http://www.splendidezine.com/features/fiery/fieryhead.jpg

He looks better than that photo suggests, and she looks worse.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

They look entirely ordinary, I like that

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 22 February 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Flaming heck.

They're ugly!

the firefox, Sunday, 22 February 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

that wasn't a good pic. it was too indie.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 22 February 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Your lack of dodgy indie aesthetics when it comes to women is one of the things I most admire about you, pinefox.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

She's a woman w/a bulgy oldstyle hairdo, let's rock

Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 22 February 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I am being unfair though, she is an impressive, vaguely sexual stage performer. Halfway between Cat Power and Patti Smith.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

what is this indie piss?

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 February 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

She's called Eleanor, which I like, though the 'Friedberger' bit isn't so good. Or maybe it is, I don't know anymore.

There's another, enormous, picture here.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

She looks like someone's mom. Yawn.

anode (anode), Sunday, 22 February 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread has taken a VERY distressing turn.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i was just about to say... the inevitable "hot or not."

lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 22 February 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

It's important how bands look!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, hence the endless threads devoted to how cute/not cute basement jaxx are.

lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently it's only really important how female musicians look, Jerry.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I could swear people were talking about the surly brother.

I remember who she reminded me of. emily perkins! the little sister from 'ginger snaps'. I love that movie. more now.

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

we can talk about the brother's orange telecaster too! *drool*

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

How bands look is all part of the 'frame' of pop - the interviews, the videos, the clothes, the sleeves, the haircuts etc etc - it's all the stuff that encourages you to engage more adventurously in the imaginative world of the music.

To downplay or ignore this frame, to claim that it's all about the music, man, is one/my definition of rockism. (the fact that Basement Jaxists on ILM are so exclusively, post-Reynoldsianly, focused on the 'text' is one reason I think of them as slightly rockist [or at least nerdy] themselves.)

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

A good example - I love the way that people on the Morrissey thread are very excited about the new promo photo.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

(But I guess I wasn't taking the upthread comments as sexist because I know the people involved arent sexist, and are just as likely to get worked up talking about 'who are the most beautiful soccer players?')

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

What if you like both Moz and Basement Jaxx?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

How bands look is all part of the 'frame' of pop - the interviews, the videos, the clothes, the sleeves, the haircuts etc etc - it's all the stuff that encourages you to engage more adventurously in the imaginative world of the music.

i'm not arguing that. it's of supreme importance. but i just find it depressing that where women in bands are concerned, the level of discussion sinks to "oog, she's purty!" or "ick, i'd never touch that!" very quickly. how exactly does this help me engage with the world of the fiery furnaces?

lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I think the fact that they were debating her beauty is interesting. (To be fair, people were talking about whether the boy was attractive on another thread on ILE). I mean if you're talking about actors or actresses the conversation turns very quickly to sexual attraction - they are acting out our dreams and desires. And I don't see why this should be any different for pop singers. If anything the pop stage is even more charged with cathexis. Patti Smith understood this!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I'm with Lauren on this.

I just resent that the discussion here has shifted from talking about the records to deciding whether or not the band is worthwhile based on how the FEMALE singer looks. That's pretty sad.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

We can talk about the way the guys look too. It's just that RJG was taken with the singer. I liked the one who played keyboards and wasn't the brother. He had a 70s preppy kind of cleancut jumper. Cozen thought he was going for the Sterling Morrison look. The two men looked across at each other in a cool way, supposedly watching for 'the changes' I guess. Ally thought they were trying to be cool and use this to cover their lack of good tunes (or was it the squelchy noises he made this allegation about?). And then he laughted and said "Oh dear, I sound like the pinefox". I'm not sure I buy this effortless/studied cool distinction. It's whether it impresses that's important. Maybe there's something akin to supension of belief. I wondered about if the brother had a girlfriend, and how she'd decided she liked his face. I mean, I liked his face too. I added it to my list.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

As far as I could tell, the "hot or not" discussion was completely removed from the "good or not" discussion.

anode (anode), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

One of the best things N. ever said, a long time ago, was how pleased he was when he saw what Belle and Sebastian looked like. That they didn't look like - I dunno, Gomez or someone - made all the difference. It's about looks and desire and projection and wanting to be part of their gang - and a lot more complicated than "are they hot or not?'.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(extremely close brothers and sisters spin me out. I feel like the main character in 'the dumb house': unable to translate the looks and pouts and weird private music of the cloistered twins. I feel like I'm the one who has been shut away without language. their so seductive in scariness. I got the feeling these two are like that. surly inseparable. emily and ginger. frightening.)

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I can understand why people might find talking about the singers looks is distasteful, but some of these comments remind me of people saying "hey Blondie is a BAND - just ignore that incredible film noir femme fatale singing the songs!"

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

that could have been either there or 'they're'.

they were exceptional. the looks she was giving us!

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it wasn't that I thought that B&S would look different. I think I just said I was watching The Mavericks on VH1 and turned the sound down (because it was awful, in the first place, I guess) and tried to imagine that this it was a video of B&S performing, and yeah, I didn't think I'd be so into them.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I sometimes think there's a puritanism in American indie fans that would like to routinize charisma.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Cozen - they didn't immediately cling to each other after the show, or even look at each other that much during it. Why do you get that impression?

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

It's about looks and desire and projection and wanting to be part of their gang - and a lot more complicated than "are they hot or not?'.

then discuss it complicated terms.

some of these comments remind me of people saying "hey Blondie is a BAND - just ignore that incredible film noir femme fatale singing the songs!"

blondie specifically set themselves up ("blondie is a group" campaign notwithstanding) with debbie harry as a focus of attraction. i don't think that one can argue that because a band has a female singer, they need to follow this model.

lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe part of why I'm annoyed with this is because I was really into the Fiery Furnaces for at least two or three months before I had any idea what they looked like. I listen to a LOT of music not knowing (or caring) about what the musicians look like. I don't think that the appearances of performers are irrelevant, but I am put off a bit by people who overblow the importance of a performer's looks.

I hate the implication that someone shouldn't be a performer because they don't look right. That's what it comes down to, when I read certain comments. It just translates to me as "if she isn't hot, she should get off the stage." Or, "she's so hot, she's such a great performer because of that."

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I sometimes think there's a puritanism in American indie fans that would like to routinize charisma.

to me, judging eleanor on her attractiveness is routinizing (if that's a word).

lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah no agreed. there just seemed this magnetism, perhaps projected outwards from my own fear of these types. a feeling I had. (there was one moment where they seemed to joke together and it felt like a false note, it didn't seem to rhyme with what I was thinking about them). you don't have to be clingy to be inseparably linked. they reminded me of two (brother sister) friends of mine. and a particular pair of twins from school. these couples are both stunningly alike and forbidding.

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

another thing I thought important about the band's looks: the brother had such a serious expression on his face throughout the initial four 'farty-synth' songs. it made me laugh and smile. and not a muscle moved not a flinch throughout those tempo changes. that's why I worry about the translation to record. it couldn't catch that cool gusto. that impromptu improv feeling which I think I could only glean from adding their faces and the music up.

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

blondie specifically set themselves up ("blondie is a group" campaign notwithstanding) with debbie harry as a focus of attraction. i don't think that one can argue that because a band has a female singer, they need to follow this model.
Focus on the vocalist is part and parcel of the rock/pop mileu unless the vocalist specifically rejects it (Lou Reed turning his back to the audience.)

anode (anode), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you bothered to listen to the records?

I don't understand folks who go to see bands live without knowing their records, unless they are an opening act. I'm not saying that's totally wrong or bad; I just don't get the logic of it on a personal level. I'd rather really know the songs and then watch them be translated to stage than watch performers and hope that translates to record. The latter seems less reasonable.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

haha hey I just like saying the word 'hawt'! In fact I said cozen and N 'hawt' too on the ILE what do you look like thread.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

can I afford the records?

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Matthew, I'd never say that unattractive people should 'get off the stage'. My B&S/Mavericks thing has little to do with natural beauty. It's about style. You can present yourself in so many different ways, regardless of the face and body you're born with. Record artwork and publicity choces are all part of the same thing. And yeah, sometimes their sexuality comes into play - I'm not ashamed of that.


N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Several x posts

Hey Lauren we are discussing it in complicated terms here! And Matthew I don't think anyone was saying they should get off the stage!

I think this conversation is interestingly precisely in the ways that performance enriches and complicates our pleasures in pop. This cuts both ways - I love the fact that the Pixies looked like some kind of Lynchian ID Parade of misfits, it somehow enhanced the music that they didn't look like, say, The Strokes.

I think what people - well RJG initially - were responding to on this thread was less 'pin-up good looks' or not, but a charisma, a quality of performance. And people who had only seen pictures were doubting this.

It seems slightly censorious to suggest that if people have seen a band they shouldnt talk about the performers, just as it would be to suggest people seeing a film should abstain from talking about the weird presence or charisma of the actors.

(BTW: 'routinization of charisma' is a phrase from Max Weber)

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Why would you be able to afford a live show and not a record? (Unless you got in for free, I guess.)

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd never even heard of them till yesterday, so no, I hadn't got any ot their records. I don't think any of us had. It was just a recommendation. It was Saturday night and it was just down the road and cost 6 quid or something. I like to try things out that way sometimes. I'm not very good at keeping touch with records these days, esp. not indie ones.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Why would you be able to afford a live show and not a record?

Live show is something to do on a Saturday night, when I'd be out spending money anyway. Buying a record is a completely different thing to me (plus, unless you're talking about singles, it is a lot cheaper anyway unless you're seeing some big name act).

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I think that a key part of the FF appeal is that Eleanor is very striking, has a LOT of charisma, and that intense stare. Those are very notable things. It's just that I'm still bugged by the "she's UGLY! she looks like somebody's MOM!" bullshit from up the thread.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know who the guy who said that is, but I guess he was just reacting against the excitement of others at what she looked like.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

(the opportunity costs of a show are high but economic costs low: for £6 I get the company of friends, to see the band (there!) (in front of me!) (wow!), to listen to their songs really loud, dance in the hot dark, pre-made memory potential. for £13 I get the record and a bunch of other opportunities true. and in fact I'm being utterly disingenuous and a bit arsey here because I felt you were too. I could afford the record, obv., I'd just wait. no matter that I think the utility of going to that gig on that night with those people would potentially outweigh the calculated 'maybe' worth of the record.)

the loss of enchantment!

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

(fwiw I nearly chipped in then with a 'what's wrong with being a mom?' type comment)

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

(BTW Matt I think it was probably you who first got me interested in the band [and a few others too] so, erm, props is the expression, I believe.)

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

So you're fine talking about her appearance as long people agree with you on it?

anode (anode), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think that's quite it, Anode.

I think there's just a different subtext to the "she's ULGY! like a mom UGLY! Ick!" comments, and that has nothing to do with the performance or the music.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Meaning, I think it has more to do with those people's own creepy hang-ups.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

looks a very small part of attraction too.

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, so your argument is "she looks striking = adds to music" is valid, but "she looks dull = detracts from music" isn't valid?

In any case, this is a tempest in a teapot. None of the "hot or not" posts even mentioned how looks have bearing on music until the tempest started. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

anode (anode), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

My argument is that "SHE'S UGLY! MOMMY UGLY UGLY MOMMY!" isn't valid.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Right. Point out where someone said that. :p

anode (anode), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"she looks striking = adds to music" is valid, but "she looks dull = detracts from music" isn't valid?

This is actually a perfectly sensible, consistent position. If overall value = music + image. Looks can add to music but they can't take away, because hey, they're not music.
Not that I actually see things that way. It's all an interaction, for me.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a non-sequitur. If they can't detract due to not being music how can they add, since they're still not music?

Of course all of it is moot, as the environment surrounding our listening experience is vital to it. John Cage showed this before most of us were born, why bother trying to refute it?

anode (anode), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

They add because music isn't the whole sum of a band's worth! Look at it again.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Well the way you put it, it would add to "value", wouldn't it? "Music" and "image" being in their own separate boxes and all that.

anode (anode), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I think N is on the right track, because if music is good, an interesting look can add to it. But really good music + a lackluster appearance is something that isn't as good (i'd agree with that), but can be forgiven because the music and talent makes up for it.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

By the way, what do you guys do when you don't know what a musician looks like? Does that fuck you up or something?

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I suppose I could listen to the music.

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Band A:

8/10 for music
8/10 for image

your overall opinion : 16/20

Band B:

8/10 for music
0/10 for looks

your overall opinion : 8/20

In Band A, great looks have added bonus points. In Band B, they look awful, but you still have the 8 points for music.

Sure, you can formulate a system in which minus points are awarded, their looks affecting your enjoyment adversely, such that it would be better if you'd never seen them at all. But what I was suggesting is that Matthew doesn't use that system, and that's fine and not inconsistent.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Fill in a "default image" to be replaced when I find out, just like you and all the rest of us homo sapiens do. Read Douglas Hofstadter's "Metamagical Themas" for more on that if you really care.

anode (anode), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, here's a good example. Can anyone honestly say that Robert Smith's hockey jerey habit doesn't detract from seeing the Cure live?

anode (anode), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Robert Smith's image has always put me off, yeah, but I'm not everyone.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

btw, I read some Hofstadter years ago, but you'll have to be more specific if you want me to know what you're getting at there.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

The alternative is that you listen to a band and have no idea what they look like, and if you are particularly imaginative this absence simply makes you imagine more vividly. (I remember Brian Eno thinking Doo Wop groups must have been creatures from out of space or something.)

(Fwiw, as a Brit who's lived in the States at various points, I do find in US indie circles a certain distrust of image, or fabulation in the bands they like. I think this is partly because in the states indie culture exists in a space of its own much more - on college radio etc. In the UK I think we are all basically Pop Kids - even those of us who have complete collections of the Sarah back catalogue. The way UK indie discos will play, eg Justin Timberlake would be kind of anathema in the states I think.)

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Jerry is wildly generalising here in a way that I can see might raise a few hackles.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a digression in the chapter about gender-neutral writing (the plain one, not the Safire parody.) He goes through into the process we use to introduce new concepts to ourselves. He goes into it in more detail in the frames chapter in "Godel Escher and Bachl."

anode (anode), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a generalisation based on experience, N.!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The alternative is that you listen to a band and have no idea what they look like, and if you are particularly imaginative this absence simply makes you imagine more vividly. (I remember Brian Eno thinking Doo Wop groups must have been creatures from out of space or something.)

I think this is very easy to do whether you know what the performers look like or not. I was thinking of this exact Eno quote while listening to TV On The Radio the other day, and I know what they look like.

anode (anode), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, Jerry, but 'we're basically all pop kids' just sits uneasily with Madchen telling me yesterday about indie kids in Glasgow on a certain mailing list going on about chart pop listeners and IAC..GMOOH! viewers being educated into the ways of good music.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

wtf happened here
and
how bruno cheyrou seems less attractive now

prima_fassy (mwah), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

what does IAC... GMOOH! stand for?

cozémodo (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I guess that's an example of the mainstream culture being inescapable in a small island like the UK - it's v difficult to cut yourself off from ITV1, Radio 1, the tabloid culture etc. I think at the college in the US it's much easier to live in your own little bubble - if you want to.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

oh I see.

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

(gah I can't get a certain mailing list to load to satisfy my nosey.)

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

cozen otm about the creepy magnetism of intimate brother/sister combos

it's really weird when you're like interested in one member of such a combo and the other member is present, very 'the dreamers' except it isn't a bad movie

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 22 February 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

by combo i don't necessarily mean a band, i've never been in that particular situation thank god

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 22 February 2004 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Cozen had to be physically restrained from showing his Polaroid-festooned testicles to her.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 22 February 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

If only there were a laffing out loud thread on ILM.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 22 February 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

my head is swimming, just like last night. I don't know what is wrong w/ me.

this isn't a result of the singer's hawtness but she's still hawt.

I hadn't heard them, before last night, but, yeah, £6+down the hill+pals are going+recommendation=I will go and see them. I have downloaded a few songs and confirmed my slight concerns regarding live Vs. recorded sound. I will still buy the record, though. tomorrow, perhaps.

don't say I can't say she's hawt, again, please.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 23 February 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure why we are all pretending that it cost £6 when in fact it turned out to be £7.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 23 February 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, I remembered that and thought about posting it but I realised it was boring.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 23 February 2004 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Darn it - I missed all the fun as usual.

the bluefox, Monday, 23 February 2004 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it is bizarre how this one gig has generated so much reflection and enthusiasm.

I think that maybe you loved the gig because you love each other.

Probably the FFs are mediocre. (I have barely or not heard them.)

It is always nice to see JtN talking about indie culture etc, but let me remind him that I hate Justin Timberlake. If I were in an indie or other club and his music came on, I would go up to JtN or someone else nearby and say: I hate this fucking bastard - people like him have ruined my life - and so on.

Actually JT is a good case for the looks / music thing.

I hate his 'music'.

I hate the way he looks.

I hate him.

re. the big questions that everyone is talking about, I am not sure where I stand.

N. would be a less compelling musician if he looked worse. But even as it is, I fear that he is not a very compelling musician. Possibly I am wrong and he has improved.

the bluefox, Monday, 23 February 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I like to think of myself as a compelling singer, if that counts.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 23 February 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Really?

I would like to hear you sing.

If it were true about you being a compelling singer, then I suppose your combined ratings out of 10 would be off the scale.

Well, no - they would be 17/20 or something.

the blissfox, Monday, 23 February 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you have heard me sing, but I fear I was not at my most compelling. Give me a stage..

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 23 February 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope that was not supposed to be an ellipsis.

Why are people no longer capable of using three dots for an ellipsis? Even the front page of the Daily Mirror, etc, does it.

Two dots is far too close to one dot.

One dot is a full stop.

the bellefox, Monday, 23 February 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I usually do three, sorry. Maybe I thought it looked too inviting.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 23 February 2004 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like the fiery furnaces, still!!! even if they're not as great, on record, as they are live.

my interest in timberlake turned into patience with and has, recently, become boredom because of.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 23 February 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

to be correct you need to include a word space in between each dot . . .

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 23 February 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

really? that's weird.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 23 February 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread took an unsavory turn a few posts ago.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 23 February 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

N. come to a London karaoke FAP.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

if the ellipse comes at the end of a sentence it works like so. . . .

if in the middle of a sentence like so . . . see?

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey! The person I was going with to see the FFs at the Garage in Ilsington tonight is ill and can't make it. So I have a spare ticket and don't really fancy going alone. If anyone wants to come (it's guest list, so you won't have to pay) email me at jerrythenipper@hotmail.com by 5.30pm today

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I WISH I HAD LONDON

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

damn! it's 19.01!

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha they didn't give me a +1 in the end cos it has been so popular. So I will have go on my own anyway. : /

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

does she look good?

just playin with ya fluxdude!

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought the album.

strangely, after them not sounding as good, on my computer, as they did, live, now they don't sound as good, on my stereo, as they did, on my computer.

that is: after not sounding as good as they did, now they don't sound as good as they did.

I still like them a lot, though.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Interestingly, I didn't fancy the singer. Rather, I think I wanted to be her.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

that often comes down to the same thing IMO

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

A whole decade of tragic relationships can be put down to my failure to distinguish between the two, unfortunately.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it'd be a bit foolish to assume Basement Jaxx are not about image, to people here, or are purely about the text.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I was set straight in the boozer the other night, Ronan. I guess my point was less about the band than a kind of post-Reynoldsian formalism or close reading or focus on sound to the exclusion of much else.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

That does happen I guess, in fairness though so few people can actually write well about the sonics of electronic music it's to be encouraged, in my opinion anyway.

I often wish it wasn't so necessary, or so difficult, it's much more natural for me to write about it in the context of life or just general experience. I suppose it's an identity through sound thing with Basement Jaxx, particularly now they seem to have become their own genre.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

There can never be too much good close reading/attention - I agree. I guess I lose patience with it when it becomes particularly bloodless or technical, just cataloguing a series of sound events - a lot of the Wire reads like this to me (though I guess it might make more sense if I were more familiar with some of the music in question).

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

have you copyrighted the phrase "set straight in the boozer" or can i use it?

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

It's yours. (BTW Am. are you still in Paris? I think I am visiting over Easter.)

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

yes when is easter (sez the jew)?

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

9-12 April.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

ok email me

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I could visit paris. : /

RJG can I scab a copy of the album?

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

First you trivialize her band by calling her hawt, now you plan to violate her copyright?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

New euphemism alert.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'm sorry, Cozen, but the only man I will allow to violate my copyright will be Pedro Almodóvar, not you."

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

cognitive dissonance a-go-go.

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

But still, my feelings were hurt.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't feel right about it, cozen.

I will let you see the cover, sometime, though.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
Godallfuckingmighty I fell in love with them tonight, in their nonstopunstoppable set before Mission of Burma.

Collardio Gelatinous (collardio), Sunday, 16 May 2004 05:48 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
they are good, huh?

I like eleanor on that mp3 you posted to your blog matt.

commas excised from first draft of this post: 3.

cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 July 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
I am going to read this thread again, some time.

N. developed a mathematical system, on it!

It was really frustrating how despite reading it a lot, I missed the big controversy when it happened.

It was nice when N. OK'd my reaction to his picture of the band, though. I enjoyed that.

Looking at it now, I wonder who it was who 'set' JtN 'straight' in the, the, 'boozer'? Or even, what boozer it was?

the firefox, Thursday, 4 November 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago)

Upthread, JtN says that Patti Smith understands the cathexis of the stage. Also (and this is a lot better) he says that N. once said something really good.

the firefox, Thursday, 4 November 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
the greatest band in the world?

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

possibly. or close to it.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

I really love this EP, their best work so far.
But I'm great fan of the two proper albums too.
Possibly the greatest band in the world... if they could make an album like this EP.

zeus, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Gallowsbird's > EP > Blueberry Boat

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

The greatest thread in the world?

the firefox, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

I'm playing EP for the first time when I first saw this thread (right now). It does sound more Blueberry Boat-ish than Gallowsbird Bark-ish. I don't have the case with me (direct to iPod to make work bearable). When was it recorded, generally? I remember hearing that there was another version of Tropical-Iceland that must be this one, but I was expecting a more jagged-type sound. I'm slowly warming to BB, but I still think GB is the best.

nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
oh my gosh!! that first album is _amazing_

how could anyone but the corniest indie fuxors pretend that jumbled indulgent BB shite (except for the title track..i thought that was "neat") is in any way greater than GB??

Vic in LA, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 06:18 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

i just read about this. it's....bizarre

jabba hands, Friday, 6 November 2009 12:15 (fifteen years ago)

Like most creative musicians, Matt Friedberger is not a fan of Radiohead and most of their chart busters. Of course, Matt and all the Fiery Furnaces family are great fans of all Tommys living or dead, so much so that lots of the Fiery Furnaces' work is, because of the pun, dedicated to imitating the Who's Tommy.

"Back in the fall of 1996 or whenever that interview was conducted, the interviewer asked what Matt thought of the Radiohead song celebrating a WWI veteran. Matt naturally thought it would be interesting to pretend that they wrote a song about the celebrated American composer of a similar sounding name, hence his joking in the interview about Radiohead composing a song with something like 48 notes to an octave. It was easy and amusing to imagine Radiohead's attempt to colonize that relatively arcane bit of our musical lifeworld. This is what they used to call, in some bohemian and advertising circles, 'riffing' or fooling around.

"Matt has not heard the Radiohead song about Harry Patch, but if he did, he is sure he wouldn't like it. No doubt Radiohead and their fans can ignore his opinion of this matter and continue with their triumphant artistic interventions. Matt would have much preferred to insult Beck but he is too afraid of Scientologists.

War On The Terrances (DJ Mencap), Friday, 6 November 2009 12:28 (fifteen years ago)

This guy sounds . . . disturbed.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 6 November 2009 12:43 (fifteen years ago)

This is hilarious. Matt Friedberger seems like he is probably not a very nice person IRL. I still need to listen to "I'm Going Away". "Widow City" is one of my favorite of their albums.

o. nate, Friday, 6 November 2009 16:36 (fifteen years ago)

five years pass...

What a fun band.

Your Ribs are My Ladder, Friday, 9 January 2015 11:16 (ten years ago)

They were.

Was just over to their Wiki page, almost teared up a little.

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 9 January 2015 13:52 (ten years ago)

Blueberry Boat ages brilliantly, one of the best albums of the 00's beyond doubt imo

London's Left-Wing Utopian Non-League Ultras Are Reclaiming Football (imago), Friday, 9 January 2015 13:54 (ten years ago)

oh my fucking god this thread though

London's Left-Wing Utopian Non-League Ultras Are Reclaiming Football (imago), Friday, 9 January 2015 13:58 (ten years ago)

EP came out 10 years ago this Sunday. ;_;

jmm, Friday, 9 January 2015 14:39 (ten years ago)

Holy christ that makes me feel old.

Gentle Nibbles (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 January 2015 15:04 (ten years ago)

Love several, but Rehearsing My Choir is rock of ages, in more ways than one. Granny Olga in Heaven, you rule!

dow, Friday, 9 January 2015 15:11 (ten years ago)

how could anyone but the corniest indie fuxors pretend that jumbled indulgent BB shite (except for the title track..i thought that was "neat") is in any way greater than GB??

whatever dude

mitt fleekwood (get bent), Friday, 9 January 2015 22:01 (ten years ago)

no kidding

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Friday, 9 January 2015 22:01 (ten years ago)

they're both great records! they're just really really different.

mitt fleekwood (get bent), Friday, 9 January 2015 22:03 (ten years ago)

two years pass...

They are the most fun indie band from the 00s imho. Maybe of all time.

dance cum rituals (Moka), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 06:18 (seven years ago)

well obviously

imago, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 09:31 (seven years ago)

i have trouble perceiving these guys as 'fun'. bit of a mess, but fun?

Shat Parp (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 09:48 (seven years ago)

Wacky glasses fun.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 10:16 (seven years ago)

An excitable dog with a bowel problem fun

Shat Parp (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 11:27 (seven years ago)

you both suck

imago, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 11:57 (seven years ago)

i was thinking about signing up to do this artist poll. not sure if there would be enough interest?

Bee OK, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:01 (seven years ago)

I'd vote in it, do it

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:39 (seven years ago)

that's the problem. you and i and maybe a couple more. i think if i wanted to go down this type of path i would rather do of Montreal instead, as my love is much stronger.

Winter Is Coming (Bee OK), Thursday, 13 July 2017 02:41 (seven years ago)

why i chose to add Suede instead of Super Furry Animals. similar circumstances/adding the ILM element.

Winter Is Coming (Bee OK), Thursday, 13 July 2017 02:44 (seven years ago)

/

even when i do things on purpose, i still fuck it up.

Winter Is Coming (Bee OK), Thursday, 13 July 2017 02:58 (seven years ago)

Maybe a mixed genre poll? Don't know how to call it yho... Quirky, slightly Psychedelic pop from the 00s onwards? I don't know how to classify it. Of Montreal, Flaming Lips and Fiery Furnaces seem compatible.

dance cum rituals (Moka), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:11 (seven years ago)

great idea, can't wait until you do it :-)

Winter Is Coming (Bee OK), Thursday, 13 July 2017 23:40 (seven years ago)

Amen, self
Love several, but Rehearsing My Choir is rock of ages, in more ways than one. Granny Olga in Heaven, you rule!

― dow, Friday, January 9, 2015 9:11 AM

dow, Friday, 14 July 2017 01:42 (seven years ago)

Olga really delivers her stories, with editing and rocking settings by Matthew.

dow, Friday, 14 July 2017 01:48 (seven years ago)

one year passes...

Since “ranking” is all the rage ’round here:

1. Widow City (Side 2)
2. Rehearsing My Choir
3. I’m Going Away
4. Bitter Tea (Side 1)
5. Blueberry Boat
6. Gallowsbird’s Bark
7. Widow City (Side 1)
8. EP
9. Bitter Tea (Side 2)

Not counted: Take Me Round Again; Remember [but it’s great!]

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 27 August 2018 02:19 (six years ago)

(Also, having now bothered to look up how the vinyl actually breaks down — please sub “LP1” / “LP2,” or just “First Half” / “Second Half,” for “Side 1” / “Side 2” in both cases.)

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 27 August 2018 02:36 (six years ago)

Also, to give you an idea of the grading curve here — I’d rate “Gallowsbird’s Bark” an 8/10

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 27 August 2018 02:46 (six years ago)

haha, I like that

EP is good

niels, Monday, 27 August 2018 07:16 (six years ago)

Is I'm Going Away that good? I was too scared to ever hear it. Blueberry Boat is still my favourite album of this millennium

imago, Monday, 27 August 2018 07:59 (six years ago)

Happy to see Rehearsing My Choir get its rightful due. Blueberry Boat has become one of my fave records, period.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 27 August 2018 08:18 (six years ago)

I've been listening to I'm Going Away. It's...alright. Even In The Rain (where I'm up to) is lovely. I can't remotely see how anyone could prefer it to any of the previous four albums (and EP) but it isn't bad music.

imago, Monday, 27 August 2018 08:42 (six years ago)

Lost At Sea is good too

imago, Monday, 27 August 2018 08:56 (six years ago)

Yeah, the album ends strong I guess but it's not quite there for me. Still! Hell of a run they had

imago, Monday, 27 August 2018 09:06 (six years ago)

I’m Going Away is a great album, with some of their best playing (and it’s the one I’ll still throw on the most often)

Stylistically, it revisits the tight, bluesy rock of Gallowsbird and the “empty musical theatre rehearsal room” aesthetic of (some of) Blueberry Boat... making for a nice closure.

(Also — the sarcastic guitar solo in “Even in the Rain” always makes me laugh, and is a perfect expression of Matt’s “personality”; for better or worse.)

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 27 August 2018 13:47 (six years ago)

Gawker style:

1. Widow City
2. Blueberry Boat
3. Gallowsbird's Bark
4. EP
5. I'm Going Away
6. getting hit by a bus
7. Rehearsing My Choir
8. Bitter Tea

evol j, Monday, 27 August 2018 14:11 (six years ago)

That must be some bus, lol

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 27 August 2018 14:23 (six years ago)

Poor lovely Bitter Tea

Don't sleep on the Mr Fried Burger album fyi, fans of TFF's weirder stuff

imago, Monday, 27 August 2018 15:52 (six years ago)

Here https://mfriedberger.bandcamp.com/releases

It's second to BB in my ranking tbh

imago, Monday, 27 August 2018 15:55 (six years ago)

Bitter Tea sounded terrific at the time, and still does. The only “problem” is some of the songwriting in the 2nd half...

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 27 August 2018 16:41 (six years ago)

(and that damn whistle)

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 27 August 2018 16:41 (six years ago)

(The 2nd half does have "Police Sweater Blood Vow," tho -- one of their best)

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 27 August 2018 17:56 (six years ago)

First Rehearsing My Choir show from 2005 at the 40 Watt in Athens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-2etKWgW20

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 27 August 2018 19:21 (six years ago)

and also the first FF Show with Jason on bass and Bob on drums

!

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 27 August 2018 19:28 (six years ago)

Something interesting to me about this band (if I may pontificate) is how they always seemed to be bubbling just under the surface of “mainstream” success, even by the standards of 2000s indie rock. They were on a string of cool but slightly odd labels (instead of the Matador/Merge/Sub Pop axis)... I don’t think they ever performed on TV, in the U.S. at least (though please send me a YouTube link ASAP if I’m wrong!), in a era when bands at their level were regularly appearing on late-night shows (though maybe not as commonly as today; e.g., look at someone like Parquet Courts).

The Furnaces did press and got some attention (and toured a lot, of course); but it felt like somehow they were always just below the threshold of “top-flight” indie rock notice, in a time of Animal Collectives, Arcade Fires, and Wolf Parades. I don’t think they played many festivals, maybe that hurt them?

Of course, some people may feel they got just the right amount of attention (or even too much!) — but for me, they were the band of the decade, and I was always wishing they had a little more exposure.

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Thursday, 30 August 2018 03:55 (six years ago)

I guess I would put them at the level of someone like Unrest in the ‘90s.

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Thursday, 30 August 2018 04:05 (six years ago)

I did my part to raise awareness, btw. These are two examples of T-shirts I owned and wore until they became unwearable:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6e/f6/d9/6ef6d9e51bbaca6b63723878763e1555--t-shirt-tee.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d9/43/67/d94367597d3788d5f3722b9e5f3f6282--navy-t-shirts-candelabra.jpg

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Thursday, 30 August 2018 04:14 (six years ago)

chris dahlen at pitchfork was basically their link to the outside world. at least they had one

imago, Thursday, 30 August 2018 07:51 (six years ago)

i mean i also recall them getting features in uk newspapers and what have you but most publications saw them as an amusing curio to distract us in between arcade fire albums

and let's see who's still remembered in fifty years eh

imago, Thursday, 30 August 2018 07:53 (six years ago)

I will concede their albums could be pretty weird, and required a deeper initial engagement than just “hey this sounds cool”.

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Thursday, 30 August 2018 13:37 (six years ago)

and not helped by the fact that live, they likely alienated many of the 'casual' fans by not sticking to the 'script' of their records.

nerve_pylon, Thursday, 30 August 2018 16:42 (six years ago)

Yes, for sure (which was something I loved!)

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Thursday, 30 August 2018 18:09 (six years ago)

Something I just now realized is that I've listened to the Furnaces 30-40x more over the years than Beefheart or Soft Machine.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 31 August 2018 20:12 (six years ago)

Just came across this nice (duo) performance, from the waning days of their run:

https://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/detail-2423

(I think they played at Largo that visit to L.A.; it’s the only time I missed them...)

stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Saturday, 1 September 2018 02:20 (six years ago)

one year passes...

oh word? pic.twitter.com/gtGyxLhJqI

— Davin Kolderup (@dkolderup) February 18, 2020

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 03:23 (five years ago)

They have a new (or newly active) Instagram acct, too...

You have seen the heavy groups (morrisp), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 03:55 (five years ago)

The Dallas Morning News article at this post has a great Matt F. quote:

“If there was a pit orchestra at Chuck E. Cheese, that’s what we’d like to sound like.”

You have seen the heavy groups (morrisp), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 04:23 (five years ago)

@pitchfork @pitchforkfest #p4k pic.twitter.com/Fp328dVytf

— The Fiery Furnaces (@Fiery_Furnaces) February 19, 2020

city worker, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 16:37 (five years ago)

Let's hope this is more than just a live reunion!

imago, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 16:40 (five years ago)

They never broke up! They’ve just been, uh, on a long hiatus...

You have seen the heavy groups (morrisp), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 17:18 (five years ago)

It’s very “on brand” that the Furnaces aren’t among the headliners at a major indie-rock festival — a “hometown” show, and their first performance anywhere in a decade (they’re not even 2nd-billed on the day they’re playing!).

Pitchfork also didn’t write a separate article about it, or mention the band in the first paragraph of their festival announcement.

You have seen the heavy groups (morrisp), Thursday, 20 February 2020 04:30 (five years ago)

i'm more irked by The National getting billing over Big Thief on Sunday (and I like the National!)

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 20 February 2020 14:18 (five years ago)

yeah, that’s also wack... who has more heat in Pitchfork World right now than Big Thief??

You have seen the heavy groups (morrisp), Thursday, 20 February 2020 15:28 (five years ago)

three months pass...

All-new album, or maybe just a best-of thing? (Given the title and that it’s on Third Man, my money is on the latter):

@Fiery_Furnaces x @thirdmanrecords 👀 pic.twitter.com/FuOLTsufNV

— Eleanor Friedberger (@EleanorOnly) June 14, 2020

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Monday, 15 June 2020 05:07 (five years ago)

(afraid it'll be a $$$ collectible 4-LP–plus–tchotchkes box set, with a locked-groove "Clear Signal From Cairo.")

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Monday, 15 June 2020 05:22 (five years ago)

I hope it's new stuff. Eleanor's time in the solo trenches would add a fascinating wrinkle

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 15 June 2020 05:43 (five years ago)

IT'S A CLEAR
IT'S A CLEAR
IT'S A CLEAR
IT'S A CLEAR
IT'S A CLEAR
IT'S A CLEAR
IT'S A CLEAR

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 15 June 2020 10:02 (five years ago)

My original impression of FFs was that they looked like the Carpenters, whose method was cool x cool, but FFs built toward effective contrast: she's cool, never minding the weird shit he's slinging all around her---an extension of, say, Les Paul and Mary Ford. But then Bitter Tea was more like the Carpenters living to fill out more of their forever autumnal penumbrae: she, now slightly husky-voiced, still thin, but still here. wearing her usual cardigan, standing at the window and sipping her bitter tea, looking out over the bay---kind of an Edward Hopper scene, though of course less melodramatic.
Widow City more of an Indie Rock return and advance, don't remember others, except Rehearsing My Choir was already one of my all-time favorite and most effecting and effective wild cars and cards ever.

dow, Monday, 15 June 2020 17:14 (five years ago)

They should get Jack White to play their grandmother and redo Rehearsing My Choir in the Third Man straight-to-lacquer-or-whatever-the-hell phone booth

call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Monday, 15 June 2020 17:23 (five years ago)

I happen to be listening to RMC right now (in midst of a chronological revisit of their catalog).

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Monday, 15 June 2020 17:25 (five years ago)

Hi! We’re excited to share something new with you this week. pic.twitter.com/AQzb68i0fF

— The Fiery Furnaces (@Fiery_Furnaces) June 15, 2020

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Monday, 15 June 2020 19:17 (five years ago)

^^^CRAIG D SO OTM^^^ Either Jack or Neil, who made his own phonebooth album there.

dow, Monday, 15 June 2020 19:29 (five years ago)

"Don't remember others" after Widow City, that is.

dow, Monday, 15 June 2020 19:31 (five years ago)

omg, just stumbled across this collegetown show preview I wrote in 2010---is this true about I'm Going Away? Don't remember that one at all, well maybe a little, reading this:
The Fiery Furnaces
Wednesday @ Outland
The Fiery Furnaces’ “Rehearsing My Choir” was a soulfully microcosmic pop collaboration of TFF’s central siblings Matthew and Eleanor Friedberger with their late grandmother, Olga Santoros. “Bitter Tea” less challengingly served up Eleanor’s more sultry tones, suggesting a ruefully surviving Karen Carpenter. “Widow City” turned her into a brooding, b-movie troublemaker. The Furnaces’ current “I’m Going Away” has Eleanor channeling the early, innocent fervor of Smokey Robinson and Michael Jackson, simultaneously foreshadowing later detours. Matthew’s cinematically edited catchiness keeps credibility crackling, as relationships burn on (ditto in their volatile shows).

re: "cinematically...crackling...burn on," think I was thinking of old nitrate film stock, this writhing along the edge of frames you can see even in digital transfers sometimes, the stock eating itself in real time (or digital stills of same, in the family album for inst)(pages fluttering like crazy onstage)

dow, Monday, 15 June 2020 20:13 (five years ago)

cmon FFs just tell us what the fuck yer up to

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 15 June 2020 20:28 (five years ago)

https://d1wtzzt4oxg683.cloudfront.net/images/covers/originals_optimised/29/181779.jpg

The Fiery Furnaces
Down at the So and So on Somewhere
Third Man / TMR684
Having collectively released eight solo albums between them since their last album they released together as The Fiery Furnaces over a decade ago, Eleanor and Matthew Friedberger finally unpause their career together. A brand new 7” single available on Third Man, ‘Down At The So And So On Somewhere’, picks up where they left off brilliantly.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pJlgbE-tpWMJ:https://www.normanrecords.com/records/181779-the-fiery-furnaces-down-at-the-so-and+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

just sayin, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 06:04 (five years ago)

Wikipedia also lists a new single titled "Fortune Teller’s Revenge.”

Searching around for those titles just seems to retrieve inactive pages of online record shops; I apologize for being momentarily irked by the garbled webcache link above.

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 06:48 (five years ago)

https://thefieryfurnaces.bandcamp.com/track/down-at-the-so-and-so-on-somewhere

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 18 June 2020 15:11 (five years ago)

kinda disappointing

sean gramophone, Thursday, 18 June 2020 15:12 (five years ago)

I like it but it sounds like a demo.

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Thursday, 18 June 2020 16:49 (five years ago)

This song is good, not as good as the high points of their oeuvre but little is

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 18 June 2020 17:44 (five years ago)

one year passes...

Anyone buying tickets to these new shows? I don’t think I’ll have a fully vaccinated household yet by November (and they’re playing in like my least favorite L.A. venue).

Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Friday, 27 August 2021 03:31 (three years ago)

I don't mind the El Rey that much, but after seeing them several times back then I'm kinda unexcited? I want to hear how the shows are first. I'm there if they play all of Blueberry Boat.

Fred Armisen on the bill is a huge turn-off.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 27 August 2021 08:34 (three years ago)

i have never seen them and hope to one day. i just can't see being inside for a show at the moment and i'm vaccinated. if this was outdoors i might have been more tempted.

Bee OK, Friday, 27 August 2021 20:06 (three years ago)

I wouldn’t mind seeing them but I’m not going to Brooklyn this year

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 27 August 2021 20:10 (three years ago)

(Or to any shows this year honestly)

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 27 August 2021 20:11 (three years ago)

yah, I should reiterate that I'm not going to any shows this year too.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 27 August 2021 22:39 (three years ago)

two months pass...

Anyone see any of the shows? Looks like they’re back in the studio (per Eleanor’s Instagram).

I poked around to see if they’ve done any new interviews, but none that I can find. That’s interesting to me—they did a lot of press back in the day, Matt always had a lot to say, they were very active online, etc. Now, their “engagement” seems limited to Eleanor’s social media… Matt is silent, as far as I can tell.

An interviewer would almost surely ask them why they went on such an abrupt (and lengthy) hiatus, and maybe they don’t want to talk about that? There must be a story there. It’s not like they just petered out… they had various projects going in 2009:

The last time we talked you had an extravagant rock opera in the works. Do you still have plans to do this?

MF: We are going to do that. Eleanor was never into it, but now, since we have put out our regular record, we’ll be doing these short little operas live. We might record them live, or eventually record them in the studio, but it won’t be a part of our normal record releasing cycle. Does that make any sense? So we’ll play a different set of shows in which we present our rock opera and maybe we’ll put it out in some form, but really it’s about playing it. Then we have our normal records on the side.

So then what’s the Democracy in America project all about?

MF: That’s a different thing too. It’s actually Dem-Rock-cracy in America. But the next thing we have is a silent record where we don’t provide any audio. In other words, we have a record but the fans play the songs. It will be in book form with sheet music and instructions. Dem-Rock-cracy is a set of us playing music written or determined by things that fans have given us, like bits of paper from their purse or receipts. It’ll be a normal recording, but first it will just be vinyl.

You Suffer (10 Minute Version) (morrisp), Saturday, 13 November 2021 05:03 (three years ago)

I suspect the spigot will open again once the album is on the verge of coming out, or once wider touring is underway at least.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 13 November 2021 05:07 (three years ago)

tickets are half off on goldstar for the la show! im def going to check it out. ill come back with a report keeping mind i only ever heard blueberry boat and loved it but forgot it.

kurt schwitterz, Saturday, 13 November 2021 07:14 (three years ago)

But the next thing we have is a silent record where we don’t provide any audio. In other words, we have a record but the fans play the songs. It will be in book form with sheet music and instructions.

interpreting beck actually doing this a few years later as a continuation of that weird feud they had going for a little bit

ufo, Saturday, 13 November 2021 07:38 (three years ago)

Ah - I thought the L.A. show was this past week. I’m tempted, but a Wed. night show is pretty rough stuff…

You Suffer (10 Minute Version) (morrisp), Saturday, 13 November 2021 14:47 (three years ago)

two years pass...

New live album for Bandcamp Day
https://thefieryfurnaces.bandcamp.com/album/stuck-in-my-head

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 4 October 2024 18:31 (eight months ago)

seven months pass...

^^for anyone who's never checked this out... it absolutely rips. 0 guitars, 0 overdubs, 100% rock 'n f'n roll!

(wish I had seen them on that tour)

A Single Block of Aluminum (morrisp), Monday, 12 May 2025 23:02 (one month ago)


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