Which Record That Has Come Out In 2003 Will Have The Greatest Negative Impact On Music In 2008?

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Define "negative impact" any way you want.

This is a companion thread to 'Significant Badness' which I think might get more replies because it's about specific records.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

possibly Evanesence because i have this idea that all the people that take it so seriously as a great record will end up really embarassed by this 5 years from now (and you can take the piss out of me for taking U2 or Pearl Jam fairly seriously ten years ago if that helps you here)...think along the lines of the grunge backlash i guess, but whether this is really a negative thing for anyone other than just Evanesence fans i'm not sure.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Evanescence for sure.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

as an aside, do you think it's now tougher to predict what music will be like 5 years from now compared to how tough it was to predict 5 years ahead ten years ago?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

("negative impact" being all manner of awful goth metal groups popping up in their wake)

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

But Jim, how is that different from all the awful ones we've already had?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

but if anything their impact will be positive, taking the ultramasculine edge off nu metal!! (a trend started by linkin park, who i think have had the greatest positive impact on rock music in the past few years)

― trife (simon_tr), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

you guys are totally otm, but I think Evanescence clones will pop up and die out in the next couple of years, and be gone by 2008. Or am I taking this thread the wrong way?

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

but if you just take 'Bring Me To Life' as a fun but meaningless throwback soundtrack to daft goth fantasy saga or japanese mecha-anime or even just as a decent pop song and that's it then you will probably OWN 2008.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Darkness fans take note here!

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

a trend started by linkin park, who i think have had the greatest positive impact on rock music in the past few years

i'm sure you have already expanded on this elsewhere sir, genuinely interested in a further explanation so if there is one direct me to t please

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

But Jim, how is that different from all the awful ones we've already had?

there'll be EVEN MORE!!!1

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

taking the ultramasculine edge off nu metal!!

one could well ask "what's the point?"..

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

yeh, why is the weedy straight-edge Gundam-obsessed faux-angst of LP deemed better than ultra-masculine limpbizkitty pomp n' circumstance?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

heh, maybe fred durst was a BAAAD example of 'ultra-masculine'

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

what'd saddle creek release this year?

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

azure ray, cursive, faint remixes, sorry about dresden...

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

faint remixes it is!

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, I like that album.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)

fair enough - black eyed peas then!

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Gigli soundtrack?

― Fecal Jesus (mawill5), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Anything even loosely associated with Connor Oberest(sp?), Rhett Miller, or Phil Collins. And if i hear one more thing about Sting being able to have sex for 3 days straight, i will punch my mother in the throat.

― Fecal Jesus (mawill5), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, and why do they call it rush hour when everyone's just sitting there?

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

that phil collins has been given a free pass by the hipster elite for too long!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it possible that if this question was asked in 1991 the answer would be Nevermind? (maybe this will provide 2003 ideas).

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

yes definitely, though Ten would be closer to the mark

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - humourless indie fuck me in spring 93 bemoaned what The Chronic's impact would be on hip-hop (by summer 93 I'd gotten laid)(no more problems with The Chronic)

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

the answer might be boy in da corner, who knows

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Phil Collins just signed to Deep Ellum Records...and i read in Spin that he is doing a split triple-7" box set with Engine Down.

― Fecal Jesus (mawill5), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Lightning Bolt.

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

ooh - that might be right!

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Sleep! (in response to the lightning bolt)

― Fecal Jesus (mawill5), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

that may have been true in '00 or '01, but arent't there plenty of bands who sound like lightning bolt around right now?!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

it could be the rapture

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

what aspect of it though? the screamy vocals?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw Entrance open up for Cat Power a while back...both of them are contenders in my eyes. A 20 year old Dylan ripoff with a tambourine stuck on his foot being shaken like a cat in a rain puddle...and a coked-up psycho that was asked to leave the stage by the club management.

― Fecal Jesus (mawill5), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i ask myself: did the make-up or locust have a good or bad effect on the microcosmic indie rock scene in my hometown? and then i extrapolate white-belt aesthetics onto the broader pop scene, since i think the rapture will be massive. (okay this might just be subcultural bias)

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

cat power - jesus christ did anyone see her in the new yorker today?

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I hope the rapture will be massive, but I think indieamerica has aligned itself with the forces of saddlecreek.

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

but imagine popamerica aligning itself with screamo.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

one Idlewild is probably enough?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

they did. it was called "linkin park".

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Can you add Lovitt to the Saddlecreek asscan?

― Fecal Jesus (mawill5), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)

here's a bad scenario: nu-straightedge sweeps the country

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't see it somehow. not enough drugs and sex.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Simple Plan - "Addicted" to thread and then thread again. And again.

― Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

tell that to creed and evanescence! (x-post)

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i'd second saddlecreek with some loudness to boot. lot's of "the kids" are into emo-violence sorts of stuff. something like poison the well. example of a typical nashville evening... i go to an all ages poison the well show and there's easily 300 kids there. i go to see black dice or deerhoof or whomever is a little more popular with the older, jaded noise set and there's maybe 35 people at best.

the kids are mixing emo with nu metal. they've all got spikey or white belts and jogging gear on. neither of these fashions never seem to go away in the last 10 years or so. and in fact, those fashions now seem more mainstreamed than ever.

i've seen the spikey belt in gap... how long til the white belt?

dude, and what's with mullets? that joke was over three years ago and now i'm starting to see them "for real". or is this "Irony 4: Whitetrash Really is Cool"?
m.

― msp, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

mullets are club gear now.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

eh... straightedge still had plenty of drugs and sex. you just didn't tell anybody. and whose gonna see you at the rave? you're all too fucked up to notice!
m.

― msp, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"mullets are club gear now."

i totally believe it. so are those monster fade sun glasses in day- glow flourescent colors.... ugh... there was a reason people stopped wearing that shit.

if pleated z-cavaricci pants with suspenders come back, i'm calling it a day for sure. just buy me a lawnmower and point me to the grass, cause i'm gone. perhaps i'll mow the sides of highways so i'll never get finished.
m.

― msp, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

See, most of the bands being references — the Saddle Creek roster, Lightning Bolt, Cat Power — I can't see having much, if any, impact on music in 2008. Unless these bands actually starting selling truckloads of albums rather than the 20,000 presently shifted, they're justing going to be other indie footnotes.
I mean it's hard to argue for a band's influence on music when the vast bulk of the music-buying public (and, by extension, many of the future music makers) don't know who the fuck they are.
In five years, if you walk up to someone (at random) and say "Man, I hate all those shitty Azure Ray soundalikes," I'm guessing you're going to get a blank stare.
This all presupposes that these bands remain at about their current popularity. If Bright Eyes suddenly explodes onto the Billboard charts, I take all of this back.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

saddle creek is doing better than you think and only getting bigger (go into UGA library and scroll down at previous website visited and I guarantee you you'll either see 'saddlecreek.com' or 'jambands.com' so we're talking that kinda presence - jamband level). plus the press (and certain ilxors who shall remain nameless) are eating it up.

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Rilo Kiley - mixing 'emo'-qualities and twang might be a bad thing overall (though it works for them).

Or the Rapture/DFA-in-general. Imagine the 'disco-punk' Candlebox.

Apparently I'm way out of the mainstream - I didn't think Evanescence was that big of a deal overall.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 03:57 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, I can only hope rapture/dfa stuff makes it big enough to spawn the disco-punk candlebox. evanescence seems more end of the cycle than start of something new.

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I swear to god I've never heard of saddle creek before this thread.

― Dan I., Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Funny how this thread has focused on rock music. Isn't the music of 2008 going to be more influenced by hip-hop or R&B?

Meaning... Def Jux acts are going to have the greatest negative impact on music in 2008.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I said black eyed peas!

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe that fucking benny benassi song too

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

benny benassi is the sound of life itself.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Panjabi MC = return of late-60s interest in pop stars collaborating with 'world music'?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll agree that the Saddle Creek stuff is doing well at a certain level, but that level doesn't translate into the kind of sales you're alluding to. That Modest Mouse album from 1997 was considered a massive indie hit, and it sold something like 30,000 albums. And I'll also stress that media attention doesn't necessarily reflect album sales.
And I'll agree that it might not necessarily be a rock band that will have the most negative impact. I was shuddering with the thought that some of the recent jingoistic country music might start something, especially if the War on Terrorism goes the way of the War on Drugs.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

country has been the voice of reason! (dixie chix etc.)

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Indie groups don't need to sell a million records to have a huge impact, though. They appeal to a part of the population that's more likely to start its own band.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:21 (twenty-two years ago)

if someone could wipe out 29500 of those people it would help me lots thx bye

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"only 100 people heard the first cLOUDDEAD ep, but every one of them started a crew"

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:23 (twenty-two years ago)

One, I wasn't talking about the Dixie Chicks. I was talking about guys like Toby Keith and Darryl Worley.
Two, indie bands may inspire more indie bands, but that doesn't mean they have much of an impact, except in the indie rock scene. Modest Mouse, to keep with my example, may have inspired a 1,000 bands, but a 1,000 bands with about 10,000 fans.
Korn and Limp Bizkit have had a much more profound impact on modern popular music than any indie band you can name.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:29 (twenty-two years ago)

The stuff that will have the greatest impact on music in five years isn't being played to 500 people in some dingy club. It's on commercial radio and MTV. In the past two years, I've seen a Bright Eyes video once ... and I changed the channel.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Korn and Limp Bizkit have had a much more profound impact on modern popular music than any indie band you can name.

i don't really believe this - (a) i can't think of any particular examples of their impact off the top of my head and (b) i don't really believe that 'forming bands' is a thing common to their fans. i'd be genuinely interested to see if that's true or not. we're both speculating.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:36 (twenty-two years ago)

you can't think of any examples of their impact?!!!

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

explain it to me. i don't pay attention to that style of music so its larger impact would have utterly passed me by.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

checkit

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

from that chart:

yes:
Faint, Linkin Park
So Far Away, Staind
Going Under, Evanescence
Shatterday, Vendetta Red
Did My Time, Korn

no:
Just Because, Jane's Addiction
Seven Nation Army, The White Stripes
Go With The Flow, Queens Of The Stone Age
Bandages, Hot Hot Heat
Fall Back Down, Rancid
Show Me How To Live, Audioslave
Like A Stone, Audioslave
Low, Foo Fighters
Creatures (For A While), 311
Think Twice, Eve 6

don't know anything about them:
Send The Pain Below, Chevelle
Headstrong, Trapt
Bottom Of A Bottle, Smile Empty Soul
The Boys Of Summer, The Ataris
Stupid Girl, Cold

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:49 (twenty-two years ago)

(grunge still has quite the foothold it seems)

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Hail to the Thief

Stop crying, damn you!

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)

So that's more than a third of the current modern rock chart. (in reference to the posts preceding the preceding post)
I would say their fans form bands.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd put money on all those Korn/LP influenced bands being BIG Radiohead fans too

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

that's also kinda a slow week for the nu-metal crue (a really slow week for the nu-grunge crew: no nickelback, creed, etc.)

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Sure, they may very well be fans of Yorke and company, but they're still putting out albums that sound much more like Korn and Lim Bizkit than Radiohead. For all I know, the guys in Staind may really dig bluegrass as well, but that's not reflected by the band's output. It would be difficult to contend that Radiohead has had as much influence on current nu metal as Korn and its ilk.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

how does all of this tie into the original thread question?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know. I kind of lost track.
I think I said that the Saddle Creek and other indie rock stuff wouldn't really have much of an impact in five years because not enough people have heard it, and it started from there, gradually shifting more and more off topic.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe it's that Kelly Clarkson album. In five years, the charts and airwaves could be clogged by dozens of albums from American Idol winners and runners up.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:11 (twenty-two years ago)

what the above chart does indicate however is that if, for example, Bright Eyes did a Nirvana (in *every* sense) that their impact may well be significant.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:11 (twenty-two years ago)

(possible but rather unlikely)

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Agreed. I'm terrified to think of the bands that a multiplatinum Bright Eyes would inspire.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

cf. james taylor

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i never wanted to punch james taylor in the face

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:32 (twenty-two years ago)

carly simon did

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

did she get her wish?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:39 (twenty-two years ago)

And Taylor works in that folk-rock idiom. Oberst has got more of that high school poetry thing going, using music as catharsis. I guess he had a bad childhood or something, but after, what, five or six albums, you'd think he would have worked some of that shit out.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

when you're pretty, angst'll get yr dick sucked

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:43 (twenty-two years ago)

cf. james taylor

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn, I get it now. He's all sad for the ladies.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

All the James Taylor references just make me think of a word Mr. Eddy once used to describe his music: semensmarm

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

ohhhh yeah

http://www.lyrics.com/t/taylor,_james/james.taylor.jpg

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Suave lookin' mofo, but he's so obviously in pain.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The kind of pain the ladies like.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

JT = the original Ian Curtis

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 06:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The RealityTv pop thing has a fairly short cycle if the UK is anything to go by and it doesn't significantly alter the type of pop being made (I thought it might mean a turn to shite ballads but it hasn't really) - all it does is give the pro songwriters new faces to write for.

Is the Black Eyed Peas album doing that well? I wonder about the impact of the Outkast album - everybody wanting to be more 'eclectic' (possibly not a bad thing) plus everybody wanting to produce huge double-CD records (definitely a bad thing) plus maybe a further erosion of the idea of hip-hop groups as opposed to solo acts.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)

tupac planted the seeds for double cd hip-hop records (partially as very canny marketing move - it counts as two units sold in charttallying)

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Also is the White Stripes album the peak of something medium or the start of something huge?

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 07:56 (twenty-two years ago)

and I don't know how the black eyed peas album is doing (and since when did record = album Tom? for shame!) but the song is everywhere, huge hit, (though I haven't really heard it on rap radio much, but I don't listen to the radio as much as I used to), huge enough that my somewhat neutral feelings toward it should be tipping into animosity were it not for sterling clover's review (where is sterling?)

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 07:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha James I assumed you meant the album because the album is boring whereas the single is awesome and could influence everything forever as far as I'm concerned.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 08:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the white stripes record is maybe more the start of something huge than the peak of something medium (but I don't completely think it's the start of something huge, plus I really like the album so grain of salt/wishful thinking). it is (still) really selling alot (and somewhat dismisses the old rebuttal 'but this new rock ain't actually selling - it's just rockcrit wet dream)(it's still rockcrit wet dream, it's just not JUST rockcrit wet dream anymore)(and I swear downloading has made it really really difficult to gauge just how much an album has permeated the mainstream - 90% of the people I know who have this album have it via cd-r), and "seven nation army" is one of THE rock hits of the year (still on the charts). at the same time they haven't bit at yyy's but they have bit at hot hot heat. strokes may determine it, but I still don't think it's gonna have a travis bickle/rudy giuliani streetcleaner effect on rock radio a la nirvana. everybody's still under the alt-umbrella, new rock ain't gonna kick out nu-metal anymore than nu-metal kicked out pop-punk or grunge.

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 08:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, much as I love it, I do think the Dizzee record will have a negative effect on music. With its commercial success it'll usher in a new wave of dull boys-own dance albums instead of the fun sparkly stuff that might've come out otherwise...

― Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't really like thinking about 5 years from now cos i can't help feeling there's really not anywhere left to go, which if true will have huge implications on the music industry, culture etc. - but i'm probably just paranoid and delusional

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 09:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I was thinking about this topic this morning and I remembered that Dashboard Confessional is poised to release a new album, juiced with a new major-label distribution deal. Picture, if you will, dozens of popular heart-on-their-sleeves emo bands; stadium shows where 30,000 kids sing together at the top of their lungs; an almost constant whining.
Just speculation.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

im surprised good charlotte and AFI havent been mentioned. Sadly, the strokes and the white stripes have already started to have a negative impact on today's music. but who's to say that'll last till 2008?

― Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i was going to say the white stripes too, but then again which bands have appeared since they went mega that are clearly trying to imitate them?

― zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

just wait till the A&R men start cruising the suburbs of detroit with an ear open for a drum/guitar duo jamming in their garage who haven't even played a fucking gig yet. they did in seattle in the early nineties, and since the record industry obviously has no concept of learning from history, theres nothing to stop them from doing it again.

― Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

just wait till the A&R men start cruising the suburbs of detroit with an ear open for a drum/guitar duo jamming in their garage who haven't even played a fucking gig yet.

Or they can just sign the Black Keys up and kill the whole thing stone dead.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

they are on the shortlist longlist...

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Eminemitators = the bain of the future.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

ha! er "bane"

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

As stated in a recent thread about the Mars Volta: "Call it pedestrian, but Deloused I think is going to be the Pinkerton of 2003. And I mean that vis-a-vis critical and public responses short and long term."

Great. Just great. Ten dozen shitty Mars Volta clones to look forward to in 2008.

― Nick Mirov (nick), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll second good charlotte as a brain hurt. although, good charlotte seems like a one of those clones... same with dashboard confessional... those are the bands we're having to endure today because of braid and capnjazz and the hated 5-8 years ago. not that any of those three are/were really bad, but their clones are killing us. and some might argue that they were just superchunk clones. (well, not the hated... but i digress.)

ugh mars volta clones... makes me wonder who'll be the aerosmith and the ac/dc of 2020... both had most of their actually interesting records 20+ years ago... yet we continue to get rehash of the same formula over and over again...

if mars volta continues into the 2020's, that makes them a pink floyd example, right?

or will the industry support the establishment of long careers anymore? (witness how fast certain acts have fallen off the map.)
m.

― msp, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

it's really hard to speculate, but my vote is split between "a mark, a mission, a brand, a scar" and whatever ryan adams realeases this year.

― reo fordecor, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

the answer might be boy in da corner, who knows
-- nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (littlejohnnyjewe...), August 12th, 2003.

To be honest, I don't see that album having any impact whatsoever. In fact, beside the raves at ILM, I haven't even heard it mentioned anywhere else.

― David Allen, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

how do crossover artists work? i'm not swift at searching ilm so i couldn't find any other opinions on this. i'm inclined to keep start naming crossover artists, starting with sean paul. though this might be a chicken-and-egg thing, if sean paul hadn't happened maybe i'd be 70 before dancehall hit the US charts (and then it'd probably be a sean paul or shaggy type instead of elephant man).

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

the other part of the question being, i guess, does someone like sean paul open the doors for a mr. vegas or a bounty killer? or does something about the crossover artist marginalize the form? (why haven't white rappers stormed the charts after eminem? why didn't acid jazz storm the charts after jamiroquai?)

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

David you ain't been looking

― nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

i was going to say the white stripes too, but then again which bands have appeared since they went mega that are clearly trying to imitate them?

the Kills for one (although they're more Boss Hog), and there's a stack of them in Melbourne too.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 00:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I just really, really, REALLY FUCKING REALLY hope the correct answer isn't !!! or Out Hud.

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

As stated in a recent thread about the Mars Volta: "Call it pedestrian, but Deloused I think is going to be the Pinkerton of 2003. And I mean that vis-a-vis critical and public responses short and long term."
Great. Just great. Ten dozen shitty Mars Volta clones to look forward to in 2008.

The comment was made without any regard or intention towards Weezer's influence - it means what it means, public (audience) and critical responses, not influence or emulation. Of which I could care less about one way or the other - because I'll be listening to the good shit in 2008 no matter what. Jeah.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 04:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't it more than a little ridiculous to try to figure out how something right now will be important or not important a few years from now?

I think the argument that only pop radio stuff has major cultural importance is bullshit - there's truth that radio stuff is more likely to have an impact by virtue of the number of people listening to it, but it's insane to say that it's the only thing that really matters, and the only truly influential force. If you think about it, more often than not, what ends up on the radio/mtv/etc is the end of a cycle rather the beginning of one - usually, what ends up on the air is the mainstreamed version of an underground idea. So yeah, I think it's perfectly legitimate to fear a wave of Conor Oberst wannabes on the airwaves in five-ten years time - all of his fans will likely still think of him as being cool later on, whereas it seems more likely that the Evanescence fans might be a little embarassed about having liked them, because they probably won't be considered cool by most anyone a few years from now.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

David do you live in a cave or merely enjoy deluding yourself?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The milemarkers come 2k8 will be the Roots' "The Seed 2.0" and OutKast's "Hey Ya" -- i.e. rock-rap coming from the black side of the coin. Suddenly shitty bar bands will realize that all they need is mediocre rapping atop their 12-bar bleh and singles will be made. And with hip-hop so hook-heavy already, I think the progression to organic hooks is a natural (and unfortunate one). (oh -- I really like "The Seed" and "Hey Ya," by the way, but I fear what the wrong hands will do with them)(and why hasn't Lenny Kravitz tried this yet?!?!??!)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

'The Seed' has weeeird lyrics, but an irresistible riff, Outkast are the masters of the universe

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I really really hate "The Seed", it's one of my least favourite singles this year and I cannot for the life of me pin my finger on why.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

What's to hate about it -> It's just bad college bar rock. It's a Hootie song. Chord progression way too simple, the beat too straight, the rapping too obvious.

What's to love about it -> It's just bad college bar rock. It's a Hootie song. Chord progression oh so simple, the beat so straight it's totally swayable, ChestnuTT's sexist lyrics bewilderingly offensive and entertaining. (you pushed your WHAT WHERE???)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

it sucks as a single and on the roots LP; works marginally better on The Headphone Masterpiece where (a) it loses all the faults Yanc3y identifies, (b) the lyrics are almost banal compared to other bits. context, i guess.

― zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

well it sucks as a single also cuz hip-hop stations won't play it and rock stations won't play it. doesn't have the genre purity that the formats require. so that leaves it with pop radio, only there the lyrixxx are too racy (sorry). for my prediction to come true, rock and hip-hop radio will have to open their borders, which, admittedly, is unlikely. it'll take another "lose yourself" (preferably (for CC) a white artist, too, natch) to do it.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

if (what im beginning to believe is a mythical record) rollin' deep makes it out this year i think this will have a really positive impact on music for about 3 years and then the influence will turn bad by 2008. im thinking about this in relation to 36 chambers.

can someone explain why 5 years is so important?

― sean g, Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It was completely arbitrary sean but it's produced some interesting answers.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I really really hate "The Seed", it's one of my least favourite singles this year and I cannot for the life of me pin my finger on why.

maybe cos it sounds too much like Audioslave's 'Like A Stone'? (not sure which came first)

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Matthew,
I wasn't saying "pop radio stuff" is the only music that has a major cultural influence; I was just saying that popular music has more of an mainstream impact than your indie rock, etc.
I'm just looking at the charts today — Timberlake, 50 cent, Nelly, etc. —and I fail to hear the underlying cult bands that prompted this particular wave. In my opinion, many of the bands I enjoyed in the 90s were influential in their particular musical idiom but didn't have much of an impact on the mainstream. I just think, for example, an album that sells five million copes has a much broader impact than an album that sells 30,000 copies. When more people hear a band or an album or a song, it has to have more of a pop-culture impact in my humble opinion.
That doesn't necessarily make it a better album. The album that sells 30,000 copies could be more important on other levels.
I'm just woking the odds here.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

Was anyone right? I didn't take the time to re-read the whole thread.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 08:19 (eighteen years ago)

i don't think i was

― electricsound, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 08:31 (eighteen years ago)

"but imagine popamerica aligning itself with screamo" seems about right. the Rapture didn't get huge but it could be argued they paved the way for Franz Ferdinand who paved the way for Finger Eleven.

― Matos W.K., Wednesday, 26 December 2007 08:42 (eighteen years ago)

Other than R&B/hip-hop (had been around for ages), Coldplay/Travis (had been around since the late 90s/early 00s) and Avril/Pink and their clones (Avril/Pink had been around since 2002), exactly what was around in 2003 that is still around today?

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)

Your unshakeable faith in your own correctness?

― Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

rapture/!!! for the win

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

Radiohead is still around and relevant.

― Mr. Odd, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 20:53 (eighteen years ago)

theyre included under coldplay/travis

― and what, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway, "Hail To The Thief" didn't actually set the scene on fire, did it?

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

fair enough - black eyed peas then!
-- nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:12 (4 years ago) Link

― s. morris, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

For the win:

Maybe it's that Kelly Clarkson album. In five years, the charts and airwaves could be clogged by dozens of albums from American Idol winners and runners up.

― Darin, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

the charts and airwaves could be clogged by dozens of albums from American Idol winners and runners up.

rong i think

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

Even one Daughtry album could clog an airwave.

― Darin, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 22:47 (eighteen years ago)

In the case of Norway, it is easy. For the same reason stated above.

The first Norwegian Idol was in 2003, and it has been all about Idol since then.

Those Norwegian idol records - even though it's a musically pointless concept - aren't any worse than the R&B or hip-hop singles they compete with though. Rather the opposite.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 22:49 (eighteen years ago)

In 2003, the Shins' "Chutes Too Narrow" and Sufjan Stevens' "Michigan" helped open a bold era of Zach-Braff Rock.

― mulla atari, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 23:04 (eighteen years ago)

Evanescence had a big hit last year!

― blueski, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 23:10 (eighteen years ago)

the charts and airwaves could be clogged by dozens of albums from American Idol winners and runners up.

rong i think

Maybe, but these constitute 10% of the current top 40 albums.

― mulla atari, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 23:11 (eighteen years ago)

troo

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 23:11 (eighteen years ago)

The milemarkers come 2k8 will be the Roots' "The Seed 2.0" and OutKast's "Hey Ya" -- i.e. rock-rap coming from the black side of the coin.

phew?

― blueski, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 23:13 (eighteen years ago)

what proto snap music was big in 03

― deej, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 23:36 (eighteen years ago)

Chingy- "Right Thurrr"

― mulla atari, Thursday, 27 December 2007 00:24 (eighteen years ago)

Gah, I hated "Right Thurr" at the time and still do.

― The Reverend, Thursday, 27 December 2007 04:01 (eighteen years ago)

good remix.

― J0rdan S., Thursday, 27 December 2007 05:41 (eighteen years ago)

five months pass...

My vote? Broken Social Scene.

― I eat cannibals, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 20:17 (seventeen years ago)

why do you say that? Canadian huge-band indie rock dates back at least to GYBE. is it just because they were among the first real beneficiaries of Pitchfork Hype?

― bernard snowy, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:21 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, and because covering local rock music, their aesthetic totally took over my college town for quite some time. GYBE was more "post-rock" and, I feel, justified their size through more complex compositions. It made sense for them to have a glockenspiel player or whatever, because they wrote a glockenspiel part. Seeing BSS, it was just, like, yeah, you've got a buncha people all up on stage, dontcha?

Though I think I could make an argument for Sufjan Stevens (the privileging of pretty arrangements over tune-craft, the twee gimmicry) too.

And of course, the problem is that I didn't like either of these bands when they broke, so I think I likely noticed their terrible influence in indie rock much more than precursors. But I think both of them are endemic in the suckage of contemporary indie.

― I eat cannibals, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 19:51 (seventeen years ago)

This thread is a nice demonstration of how hard these things are to predict.

― Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 22:48 (seventeen years ago)

This thread is a nice demonstration of how hard these things are to predict.

-- Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 22:48 (Yesterday) Link

It's not just this, but the fact that it takes more than five years for music to have a serious impact. If stuff was coming out today that was quite obviously influenced by something from 2003, it wouldn't make it past the demo tape.

― dog latin, Thursday, 12 June 2008 08:57 (seventeen years ago)

That's not to say that nothing coming out today isn't influenced by music in 2003, I mean the current obsession with Post-Punk and New Wave was probably kicked off back then by the DFA and is, imo, stronger now what with "The Sound Of Silver" and some excellent retrospective compilations coming out. I don't see this as a negative influence though.

The big trends, or at least as I remember them in 2003 included Pop-Dancehall/Bashment, Dancepunk, Grime, Hail To The Thief, and the arse-end of Nu-Metal. Looking back, perhaps it was the first year of the decade where the musical landscape was becoming quite different to that of the 90s.

― dog latin, Thursday, 12 June 2008 09:04 (seventeen years ago)

that phil collins has been given a free pass by the hipster elite for too long!
-- strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 02:40 (4 years ago) Link

lol!

― banriquit, Thursday, 12 June 2008 09:11 (seventeen years ago)

-- Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:04 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

This is the closest to OTM I think. Outkast for sure paved the way for Gym Class Heroes, 'No handlebars', Uffie and Kid Sister...

― J@cob, Thursday, 12 June 2008 09:33 (seventeen years ago)

Potential answer - Frank by Amy Winehouse. Start of the process that led to Back To Black, spawning Kate Nash, Adele and making Mark Ronson famous.

― aldo, Thursday, 12 June 2008 09:40 (seventeen years ago)

haha i was going to say mark ronson's 'here come the fuzz' or whatever it was called.

― banriquit, Thursday, 12 June 2008 09:42 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah we kind of all overlooked Winehouse back in 2003, the idea of her being this ubiquitous five years on never really popped into my head. At a stretch I could have seen her becoming as big as Cullum/Melhua/Tunstall but never an all-pervasive mandatory tabloid Brit cultural figure.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 12 June 2008 09:46 (seventeen years ago)

I like that call but Mark Ronson was always gonna be famous, unfortunately.

― Just got offed, Thursday, 12 June 2008 09:47 (seventeen years ago)

You liked Ooh Wee, Louis?

― energy flash gordon, Friday, 13 June 2008 04:07 (seventeen years ago)

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