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Im sure im going to get castrated for this one...but listening to their music is like getting castrated. Am I the only one here who doesn't get it? Art-rock, noise, whatever its called? Please explain to me.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

girl, if you have to ask....

see them live

― JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

thats usually the case, i suppose. that much raw energy?

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

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― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

"listening to their music is like getting castrated"
i think you just answered your own question.

― Felcher (Felcher), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

No worries, CV. My first exposure was seeing them live. i wasn't castrated as much as my balls were bored to tears. I listened to part of their first record, and saw a little of the DVD. My balls were even more bored to tears.

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

always love that feeling.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

At first I was like "oh my god what the hell, it just keeps going like this?". That was minute 3. By minute 10 I was like Beavis/Butthead all like "yeah yeah duh-duh-dunt duh-duh-dunt DUNT DUH!" headbanging and shit. It's just so ridiculous and pounding and there's so much tension in it, it's like how I feel in shitty backed-up traffic and just when it's so much I'm about to flip out and scream "MOVE YOU FUCKERS!" out the window, instead I realize the whole thing is retarded and suddenly enjoy the fuck out of it/enjoy how much everyone else is being DESTROYED by it.

But I can totally see being bored by it, cuz they is kinda a one-trick pony. BUT GOD DO I GET A KICK OUT OF THAT TRICK!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean I could put on a ski mask and bang on pots and pans.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

at least it's life-altering

― Felcher (Felcher), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean I could put on a ski mask and bang on pots and pans.


go for it dood, but what does that have to do with Lightning Bolt?

― ddb, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

thats what it sounds like to me. noise...plain and simple.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

to each his own.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

it's brilliantly orchestrated and executed noise though. do you play any instruments? because these guys are masters of structure and execution. Perhaps, if it were all electronically organized by 4 people over a period of a month or so, you would have a valid point about it not being anything more than noise. but lightning bolt is 2 guys. a bass player and a drummer. testing the limits of their instruments. i personally have never heard anything rock harder. if you dont like bands that rock hard, why did you bother posting this. why did you give them a listen in the first place?

― Felcher (Felcher), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

the first time i saw lightning bolt... in 2000... it was before they had really blown up... and i saw them on accident really. i went to see !!! and red scare and remnants of nuzzle... and well damn... on the floor of the cocodrie in sf were these two dudes in masks and the bassisst had the tallest amp and a gajillion pedals and the drummer barely even had a drum kit and they just pounded like a freakin lawnmower bleating over a sheep and i thought, "jeez, this is real. this is actually dangerous. someone was ACTUALLY sticking their neck out to do this."

and saw them on accident two days later cause they played with arab on radar and the locust and all of those bands actually confronted the crowd in one way or another.

again with lightning bolt on the floor and they just pounded us. we were the sheep, you see.

and freshly fuckin sheered, breeze on my back for once, i went home smiling cause it's really just pop music.

no real canned formula but still catchy. some might say they sound like the ruins, but the catchiness is what takes them where the ruins don't go cause they're more happy to be in more abstract lands.

all the perfect seeds of actual rock and roll rebellion were there....
m.

― msp, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

i play guitar. i gave them a listen because I was curious and heard good things about them from here and elsewhere. their music isn't really my tastes and i wanted to know why they appeal to people...thats all. I wasn't trying to be an ass or argue about it.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

chris v.-

check out "13 monsters": proggy, catchy, hardcore and fun/funny.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I know a lot of what my bwoy Chris likes is music with strong emotional content (Nick Drake, Red House Painters & such), and Lightning Bolt sure is rowdy, but other than rowdy, they don't really express much in terms of variety-of-emotion (ie they don't got songs-fer-when-yr-sad-cuz-yr-lady's-gone, songs-fer-when-yr-feeling-good, songs-fer-turnin'-yr-wife-on, etc...mostly just songs-to-rock-the-fuck-out-to).

One thing I've been thinking about is that, well, you gotta have BALLS to get up and do music like this in front of people; play this shit for the wrong crowd and that's one stage you probably won't ever play on again.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

fair enough, then my answer to the original question is that they can churn you into a pulp, and some people like music that can churn you into a pulp.

― Felcher (Felcher), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

but yeah, it could just be not your thing. don't force it.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

They're very drony at high velocity. Works wonders!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

saying this: I mean I could put on a ski mask and bang on pots and pans. kinda makes you an ass...

lightning bolt is an awesome band...and if you think they sound like noise...then you really haven't heard Noise. LB are pretty far from noise, it's ALL rhythm...bass and drums...it almost walks the line of being Techno/Dance Music. There are Noise elements there...but it's far from Merzbow.

Go see them live.

― ddb, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

They sound like an automated carwash what's just snooted 6 billion grams of coke and pushed out of an airplane with no parachute, and that's a sound I just can't say no to.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

i would like to see them live though, just to get the full experience.


bbbbut, im not an ass.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure you're not.

GO SEE THEM LIVE!

― ddb, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Ian Johnson, ILXer and friend wrote this sort of dated blurb about them:

http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1326969


It sums up that show pretty well.


Also, does anyone have a GOOD recording of the shows w/ Sonic Youth?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

ok, that article makes me want to see them. im apologizing for being a judgemental shithead.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark me as another skeptic. They're no Orthrelm.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Lightning Bolt -- if Chippendale had black lung and Gibson had his frontal lobe impregnated with a metal rod -- would still impress me 934834983984983498398498349834987239849872349824233423472343472343472536572457725675728724563567254726347264372563465654725654472563472545656347255464725436472546978743423472543212432344725x more than Orthrelm.


Now Crom Tech on the other hand...

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)


orthrelm is a different breed than lb tho... despite the general sound... it's like comparing pop/rock to free-sounding prog. (cause it's composed, but it sure does feel nearly free.)

crom tech. woot. didn't that dude make his own language?

m.

― msp, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Orthrelm is ex Crom Tech IIRC. And yeh, he did.


Also, let's bait godheadSilo and Ruins fans!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)


the ruins collaboration with derek bailey was kinda sucky to me. (which is disappointing from both sides.)

i like hydrospooglahboogalahimom,howareyou,aabbccddeeffgg or whatever it's called tho. a few nice moments.
m.

― msp, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

There's definitely something very familiar-sounding about LB to anyone who listened to 90s Japanese noise-rock: although I'd say that Ruins are less of a touchstone than, say, Kirihito, Melt-Banana, and Space Streakings.

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

>the ruins collaboration with derek bailey was kinda sucky to me.

There are two. The one on Tzadik isn't great, but the one on Paratactile is amazing. Freer, and more metal, at once.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)


phil,
thanks for the info. will have to look for that.
m.

― msp, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone who doubts the appeal of lb should really listen to track four on the s/t lp (the yellow one.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

("fleeing the valley of the whirling knives", i think.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I am a HUGE gODHEADSILO fan. Burning Stone (I think that's what it's called) by The Ruins ROOLZ.

― ddb, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not even a fan of noise-rock, well not any more anyway but fuck I love "Wonderful rainbow". I mean the way "Hello morning" starts off with this beautiful sunlight-thru-curtains intro and then blam-blam-blam, you almost expect your speakers to be doing this herky-jerky dance around the place and like all good noise the more u listen the more inricacies u pick up from it, like this scratchy saw sound thats going thru that song in particular. Really dynamic. AND THE DRUMS! I've had a few pints and this thread has made me put 'em on now. Cheers!

― Michael B, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Lightning Bolt + Booze = I look like a raver.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

That Luxor the moonprince .gif...what is game is that from? I remember playing that on the Spectrum when I was a kid

― Michael B, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Lords of Midnight.

― rw, Wednesday, 13 August 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I think LB have injected more color and diversity into a sometimes stale art-rock-noise movement, and I don't think they have anything in common with Orthrelm except they are a loud duo as well. Orthrelm are more about blurring hyper-precision guitar/drum action, LB just blow total power through mammoth bass amps yet songs have a lot of textures to them (albeit completely loud), but the interaction between the two Brians really follows avenues and points to some kind of resolution, so they are just not really a noisemaking duo for the sake of making noise. A lot of LB builds on tension and release; they're not as proggy as the Ruins or as precise as Slayer, but I relate to LB as a definite somewhere-inbetween point in terms of sheer power and dynamics. They are like a somewhat controlled electric cable spazzing out, or a crazy ride. It's that kind of buzz watching 'em. Top if off with bizarre little elfin/squirrel-chatter in the woods hijinx from drummer Chippendale between songs, and the almost nursery-rhyme melodies they are capable of locking into (alternating with one-note, morse code pounding or an almost ZZ-Top-like ability to boogie in some alien way) and you've got a really unusual and great band that especially live are injecting the room with energy unlike any other band I've seen. Though, sadly I was not around for those Black Flag shows. LB sets have made people go apeshit, and one of the best things I'd seen in a venue last year was Sonic Youth handing off their set from the stage to LB (set up on the floor of Irving Plaza) during "Inhuman"
where LB just picked up the torch and destroyed the place. Orthrelm are also totally amazing live, though I feel a bit more spent after watching em for 20 minutes than the kinda liberation LB give...

― Brian Turner (btwfmu), Thursday, 14 August 2003 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The only time I've seen Orthrelm was last summer. It was really interesting for the first few minutes, and then I realized it wasn't going to change.

Very impressive musicianship, but they could use some diversity in their songwriting.

― Ian Johnson (elmo oxygen), Thursday, 14 August 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

URRRG. I just don't get it. I've seen them live. I've tried, seriously. But I was just bored to tears. it was just "NEENER NEENER NOODLE NOODLE NEENER NEENER NOODLE NOODLE" over and over again. Like someone looped 4 seconds of Gaye Bikers On Acid and turned it up really loud. Far more interesting bands have been accused of being far more boring. It boggles me.

I'm just not really as impressed with virtuoso drummers and high volume as I used to anymore, so that might have a lot to do with it.

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 14 August 2003 04:17 (twenty-two years ago)

And the thing is, I like Hella! To a degree, but I think their show is far more entertaining. I can't figure me out.

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 14 August 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

You must be stupid then?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 14 August 2003 04:49 (twenty-two years ago)

''There are two. The one on Tzadik isn't great, but the one on Paratactile is amazing. Freer, and more metal, at once.''

haven't heard any of the collabs but what makes that record 'more freer'? I don't quite understand that.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 August 2003 06:53 (twenty-two years ago)

zorn make all artists that record an album for tzadik record with their balls in a vice.

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 14 August 2003 06:59 (twenty-two years ago)

donut bitch = Reed Richards, Jon Williams = Ben Grimm.

― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 14 August 2003 07:33 (twenty-two years ago)

>zorn make all artists that record an album for tzadik record with their balls in a vice.

Exactly. For a good example, compare Allegorical Miscomprehension with any other Fushitsusha record (okay, it was on Avant, but the Zorn-as-life-sucking-vampire thing holds).

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 14 August 2003 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

bullshit. the two Milford Graves albums justify the existence of Tzadik.

and its 'allegorical misunderstanding' btw.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 August 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

For the most part, I think Zorn wants a dry recording of the artists on Tzadik, kind of like a clinical (or classical) specimen of all his favorite bands.

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 14 August 2003 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

how can you make a recording 'dry'?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 August 2003 11:52 (twenty-two years ago)

paper towels?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 14 August 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

John Zorn sounds more and more like Steve Albini

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 14 August 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

ie, just straight, live recording - no (or very few) overdubs, studio effects - similar to how you might record a classical CD, or most straight jazz CDs. There are a few exceptions on Tzadik (like the Jewlia Eisenberg vocal CD, which has lots of overdubs though still sounds a little behind the times as far as recording technique to me). I guess it's not that surprising, but it 1) makes a lot of Tzadik CDs sound very similar, 2) sometimes robs the heavier stuff of its power (see some folks' complaints about the Ruins CDs on Tzadik, compared to their CDs elsewhere).

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 14 August 2003 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I think straight, live recordings are fine for any jazz/improv recordings that i've heard on the label. I have the gordon mumma and charles wuorien discs and those are fine too but I don't know how any of this that squares up with chaki or Phil's comments.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe the "balls in a vice" comment refers to my second point above.

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Chaki's just referring to the kind of performances that musos give on Tzadik albums as opposed to stuff they do for other labels.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw them in 1999 in Boston and I had to leave the room due to instant headache. But I'd give their CD a listen if I saw it around - maybe I'd like listening to them at a tolerable volume.

― marianna, Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I think all I can say is that you need to listen to them a few times before you write them off as annoying, specifically you could maybe put '13 Monsters' on a mixtape or something, it's pretty short... ddb's point about it being close to techno is right, when I first heard that track I presumed (mostly due to the overall makeup of the tape it was on) it was some partic brutal dance track. Which it is, in a way, just not "electronic".

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the lack of tons of overdubs, studio effects, and cutting-edge recording techniques on Tzadik releases may have more to do with budget constraints than any overriding aesthetic bias. A small, shoe-string indie label like Tzadik couldn't afford to pay even a small fraction of the amount that a major label will pay to record an album. Given those constraints, I would say that the Tzadik recordings compare very favorably to those of other independent labels - they are usually very clean and well-balanced.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Tzadik records sound good (and look great) but the music is often sapped of energy, very restrained compared to releases by the same artists on other labels. Now, I haven't heard the Milford Graves records julio mentions, but I have heard the Ruins stuff, and the Derek Bailey stuff (with the Ruins, and with Calvin Weston and Jamaaladeen Tacuma), and the Haino/Laswell/Ali record, and in all of those cases, more powerful, energetic work is available on other labels. There's just something about Tzadik, in my experience, that sucks the energy out of performers who are often, otherwise, whirling balls of fire. (Okay, Derek Bailey's no whirling ball of fire, but you get what I mean, I hope.)

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Tzadik CDs sound very good, but I don't believe the production style has to do with budget constraints (check their packaging, some of the best out there). I mean, there are dozens of electronic and avant-garde artists out there with more interesting recording ideas with a lot less money. It isn't a coincidence that Ground Zero's record on Tzadik is a lot more technically complex (recording-wise) than Zorn's own stuff -- because Otomo is someone who is actually interested in experimenting with recording technique. I really feel that Zorn is going for a classical feel on his recordings, hence a straightforward, no frill sound.

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post obv)

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 14 August 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

donut bitch = Reed Richards, Jon Williams = Ben Grimm.

Hahaa, my weary just-woken-up brain first read this as ..
donut bitch = Rex Reed, Jon Williams = Bill Harris

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

It could be that Tzadik recordings tend to use less compression. Based on my fairly small listening sample of their catalog, that would seem to be an accurate assessment. That would explain why their recordings have a more classical/jazzy clean sound and may not sound as punchy as your typical rock recording. Considering how over-used compression and limiting are in the vast majority of rock records these days, though, it's somewhat refreshing to find a label that doesn't rely on it so much.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

It also has the effect of giving their rock recordings a wider dynamic range than is found on typical rock records.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

donut, you made me snort out coffee chuckling -- you bastard.

― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

o.nate, I don't know if they have a wider range (though I bet they get softer than most rock records). To me, it's almost like playing all your CDs on the "classical" eq setting of your stereo. Not as many bass frequencies, never really gets too loud, very crisp, clean sound -- there are advantages (being able to tell what's going on, for one) and disadvantages (not really "powerful").

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, there've been threads on ILM on the pros and cons of compression and limiting in contemporary recording techniques. Basically when you smash the waveform up against the maximum db level, you have a very loud sounding record that has very little in dynamic range and lots of distortion. While this may be to some people's taste when it comes to rock music, you're getting less of the signal (what the band actually played) and more noise. Personally, I find that most major label rock records these days are far too heavy-handed with the compression. Tzadik records do not have that over-compressed sound. If you want more bass in your playback, you could always get an equalizer.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 14 August 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not a compression thing really -- Ruins and Merzbow records recorded on 4-track with no compression (or really any post-production at all) have a lot more "oomph" than their records on Tzadik (keeping in mind that I love those Tzadik records as well). I think the Masada anniversary records from this year, where they compile performances of artists from all over, recorded by diff people in diff locations is a pretty good example of the differences in Tzadik sound vs others. Notice how all the stuff recorded in NYC (by Jamie Saft, Martin Bisi, etc) has the sound I'm talking about, whereas the other stuff (Fantomas, Ruins) sounds completely different. I don't really think Fantomas are falling into the compression trap -- if anything, their recordings are a lot less polished than Zorn-supervised stuff.

And this isn't just Tzadik, as all the Naked City discs are like this too, as are the discs I've heard on Avant. Boredoms' Wow 2 sounds like it was recorded at Carnegie Hall with two orchestra mics overhead -- not a bad idea, but it definitely feels like a Smithsonian artifact as opposed to a Boredoms record to me.

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

(sorry for derailing thread :/)

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

*casts all zorn discussion off this thread*

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

donut, you made me snort out coffee chuckling -- you bastard.

Well, both analogies work!

I think my main beef with da LB is that they sound like a really good high energy band that is missing a crucial band member. What that band member's role "was" in the band, I can't fathom. Fashion girl? Diva? Guitarist? Sassy lead singer? All of the above? I don't know...

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I disagree. They are one of the most fleshed out sounding duos in rock. Very few other bands could make as much sound as they do with as little. Adding something would only subtract from the total energy.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

gygax OTM.

― Dale the Titled (cprek), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously, it's ambient music! You just put it on and let it wash over you. It's actually probably most effective at low volume. I don't care about whatever skills the guys do or don't have per se but they do seem to know how to arrange it all.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Last night I played with Chippendale's CATS through a window.


So clearly, all you LB hatas r all gay.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 14 August 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Suddenly Lightning Bolt sounds more like Hella and Hella sounds more like Lightning Bolt. In this equation, LB wins, sadly.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

>Seriously, it's ambient music! You just put it on and let it wash over you. It's actually probably most effective at low volume.

I prefer Mortician for this.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

People have talked about balls being cut off and balls in vices but maybe Lightening Bolt is really about growing a pair (this is all second-hand -- I've never heard them).

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

GO BACK TO PITCHFORK, INDIE FAG.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not a compression thing really

Well, I do think that the relative lack of compression is part of the Tzadik sound. But it's part of a larger picture - which is the absence of a lot of studio effects in general. As you've mentioned - and I agree - they tend to go for a clean, live-sounding recording. This may be influenced by the fact that they are coming more from a jazz and classical orientation than from a rock orientation. Maybe some of those other low-budget indie rock recordings that you mentioned may be doing other things (overdubbing, boosting the bass, etc.) to beef up the sound other than just using compression, and these are probably things that Tzadik tends to avoid. I'm not really sure who at Tzadik is responsible for this tendency though. It could be the studios they tend to use, as you mentioned, or Kazunori Sugiyama, who is usually in a producer role on Tzadik recordings (and who comes from a jazz production background, I believe), or Zorn himself.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

(Do a search for Sugiyama on AMG and you'll see that he has worked on many of the recordings cited on this thread.)

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The ''power'' doesn't come from recordings but from what they record. The two Milford Graves albums on have their own power, that's for sure. There are no probs with ballads.

What abt those masada live albs. Aren't some of them 'bad' recordings. I have 'Live in jerusalem' only and that was fine to me from the one listen i gave it.

I also have 'Harras' on avant: that is wonderful. maybe the prob with derek and the ruins recs was what was played on the day. Or that their power was restricted by the fact that they played it in the studio. Same with fushitsusha, their studio albs are not as good as the live recs.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

STOP TALKING ABOUT THAT MUSIC IN THE GOLD AND BLACK CASES U GEEKS


IT DOESN'T GET YOU LAID!!!!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio, when I say "powerful", I really mean the physical power of the recording, not of the performance or the composition. I haven't heard the Live in Jerusalem, but the Masada studio records are actually extremely good recordings, though certainly very typical of Zorn's production style (especially re: lack of bass). As I recall, all those CDs were even released in 20-bit transfers, which was pretty rare in the mid-90s.

o.nate, not sure how much Sugiyama is actually in the studio with the bands though, I think he's more of an organizational/administrative "producer", though I hardly doubt that both he and Zorn are giving feedback to the artists on their final products (and have certainly already heard enough to release their record in the first place). However, I really think this is another time where we do a round of posts only to find out we're saying basically the same thing.

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

*casts q-tips on zornphiles*

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

"I enjoy Lightning Bolt from time to time."

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Well fair enough dleone but after (quick) reading those post on compression i don't think of it as 'powerful' but just another production technique to produce some diff effect. a lot of nu-metal does that i suppose (sorry if i have misread the exchange between the two of you) (i'm not apologising to jon tho').

Hearing bass has always been a problem in free jazz recordings for me. especially the more 'dense' ones.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I have heard 30 seconds of lighting bolt. Bit corny but s'ok.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 August 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not exactly a fan of nu-metal, but I think it's strange that Zorn does this when he records rock(-esque) pieces, because hardly any rock actually sounds like that. Anyway, it never stopped me from buying his stuff.

Re: LB, this is a band who doesn't suffer from this production in any way. I'd be afraid that if they released a record on Tzadik that they'd end up sounding like Rovo.

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.decipher.com/starwars/cardlists/endor/dark/images/corporalavarik.gif^ this thread

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.decipher.com/starwars/cardlists/endor/dark/images/corporalavarik.gif
^ this thread

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

gyg!, I wish I could agree with you... but when i see a band like Ruins do what they do live with just two members, and then hear Lightning Bolt, the solidness and energy of the latter just can NOT compare.

Not to try and compare the two musically, but there is a marked difference in my ears as to which of the bands sounds more realized and complete.

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i was just pointing out that i don't have anything against stripped down aggressively rock music, nor two piece rock bands, but still feel something's missing in LB..

As for Ned's approach to LB... again.. I could take a few seconds to loop Gaye Bikers On Acid or World Domination Enterprises or Loop (haha) and turn up the distortion and get the same effect. shrug.

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

^^^^^
http://www.anti-establishment.com/animation/worshipsatan.gif

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

In fact, I think I may have found the best way to approach LB yet.. I'll just pretend I'm playing Loop's "Fade Out" at 78 RPM.

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

One of the first Masada cd's I got was Live in Taipei '95. The recording is fucking awful, it put me off the band for years. Live in Sevilla '00 and Live at Tonic are just the opposite, the sound is perfect and the performances are amazing.

I do think it's kinda weird how everything 'metal' sounding with distorted guitars that Zorn does/releases (I'm thinking mostly of the soundtracks and the Masada anniversary records) sounds kinda flat and thin, almost like a direct to the board guitar sound.

I'll have to check out LB as soon as I get internet access (other than at work) again.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 14 August 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)


appreciating lightning bolt... perhaps it's hard to put into words... but something must be there cause they got latched onto big time...and perhaps that speaks more of the blandness that had seeped into american hardcore/punk or whatever... and perhaps it's the japanese distance or lb being friends with everybody from east to west coast... but if the ruins are that much better, why don't they get more squeeze?

m.

― msp, Thursday, 14 August 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

First of all, "if _____ are so good, why aren't they popular?" Second, even though you'd think they'd have more fan overlap, I'm not so sure people who like Ruins (or LB) would necessarily even like the other band. To me, Ruins are squarely from a prog angle, whereas LB are from a hardcore one -- and judging by various threads in ILM over the past couple of years, those two angles don't always get along.

Personally, Ruins are one of my fave bands of all time, whereas I like LB, but wouldn't kill for them.

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 14 August 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)


yeah, i know i had the first one coming. i was looking for more of the second.

and that's probably why i like lb more than the ruins.... although i like both.
m.

― msp, Thursday, 14 August 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

ive seen Ruins live and Lightning Bolt live. the ruins show was more pimple faced metal nerds smiling and drinking beers and the Lightning Bolt show was pretty hipsters with nice skin being snobby. mind this has nothing to do with how the music sounds.

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 14 August 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

haha chaki just who are you trying to kid?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 August 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

yr mom

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 14 August 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

so cute when you're angry.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 14 August 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Lightning Bolt are catchier and more rock than Ruins; Ruins are proggier and perhaps tighter than the Bolt.

I like them both, but Lightning Bolt gives me more proverbial bang for my buck (especially since they play free shows a lot). Lightning Bolt are driving my girlfriend down to New York in a few weeks so she can visit me!

― Ian Johnson (elmo oxygen), Thursday, 14 August 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.rit.edu/~jmw9523/lj/casio.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 14 August 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

more or less what dleone said :

ruins - far more nimble, more fusion oriented. the vocals owe something to opera or vocalise.

lightning bolt- closer to hardcore, prone to a thicker, more engorged (how's that for eroticising music) bass sound. simpler, but louder drum patterns.

― mike robot, Thursday, 14 August 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

somebody abuse their moderator priveleges please

― thom west (thom w), Thursday, 14 August 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
OK, i have to give the band this much. I unfortunately missed this all, but what my friend had to tell me:

so they played a show in town here last night, and they apparently set up right outside a convenience store next to the art gallery space they were supposed to play. Keep in mind these are the only NON-residential buildings in the vicinity. Minor riot o' fun ensues. clearly, drinking laws are being violated. nearby residents in the balconies go outside and see the ruckus. 10 cop cars come. they remain in place. they just stay there. they don't do anything. in fact, the cops let the show proceed and end. the only report of any cop physically confronting show-goers is that a cop was apparently hugging some of the punks after the show.

so, all my opinions of the Bolt aside, this band obviously means love.

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 9 October 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

LIGHTNING BOLT = KITTENS

― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 9 October 2003 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

b. bumble and the stingers

― bob snoom, Thursday, 9 October 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

theyre coming here the 22nd!!! im so excited!!

― Felcher (Felcher), Thursday, 9 October 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

HOLY SHIT THEY FUCKIN RULED!!!!!!!!!!!!
best show i've ever been to, hands down. White Mice kicked ass too (they sounded like a cross b/w comets on fire and merzbow).
i've always hated moshing (being a weak and repressed sissy), but for once, i couldnt help myself. well worth the bruises, headache and ringing in my ears that im still experiencing.

― Felcher (Felcher), Thursday, 23 October 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

they are very popular with high school kids in oakland (friendster.com, 10/23/03)

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 23 October 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

yes!! The White Mice!! Where did you see them? I think the White Mice were doing a totally national tour. They very rarely play out of Providence/New England. Such an amazing band. I don't have their CD yet (self-released, i think?), but I'm sure it's great.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 27 October 2003 08:18 (twenty-two years ago)

saw em in new orleans. i think theyre along for the whole ride with lightning bolt and USA is a monster. i meant to buy a white mice CD but lightning bolt completely distracted me and i ended up forgetting. id love to hear it though.

― Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 27 October 2003 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

They've got a track on a comp. recently released by Hospital Productions (www.hospitalproductions.com). It's all bands local to Providence and includes Lightning Bolt/Landed/Dropdead/White Mice/many many more.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

seven months pass...
so, anyway, i was listening to ride the skies last night, and at first i thought it was kind of a bit much, really. it made me think of melt banana if they were linebackers

so, i put on Butthole Surfers, The Shah Sleeps in Lee Harveys Grave, because, you know, its fantastic and all

then i put on lightning bolt again, and i realised that all the tracks sound exactly like the shah sleeps in lee harveys grave

that was the moment i realised i loved lightning bolt

― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 3 June 2004 07:52 (twenty-one years ago)

you need to see them live gareth. well, everyone needs to see them live, i guess.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Gareth, do you like Mindflayer?

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

USAISAMONSTER kicks Lightning Bolt's assssssssss


― superultramega (superultramarinated), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"ho hum" re: usa

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

load load yawn load yawn load

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

there's nothing more useless than a debate measuring the merits of one load band against another

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

they were ok before all the buzz. way overhyped at the moment. drummer is 99% of the talent and i hope they at least teach the hipster kids to pay attention to the stage and music. i was at a godheadsilo showe in the early 90's and people had to be carried out on a stretcher from shock, so maybe i am just theoldmang, oh &there are about 50bands in the NEngland area who do this just as well but the thurston moore propaganda only stretches so far maybe.

― kephm, Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

uhhhh, no

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Can you name these 50 bands? If they're better than Lightning Bolt I've gotta do me some buying.

― Jason J, Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

they were ok before all the buzz

By Christ, I think this guy's got it! Teach me to appreciate music like you

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Mindflayer > Lightning Bolt

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Black Elf Speaks ruled my friend's basement halloween 02.
By the end of the set, they had us all joined by the hands, singing in unison songs that we had never even heard before. The people involved in Black Elf, USA, and related bands are wonderful.
This doesn't have any relation to whether or not Lightning Bolt can write a song, though.

― Sean Witzman (trip maker), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

um, i saw them 5years ago and they were ok. what do you not compute MRDJ?

xpost

― kephm, Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

They were ok before 98347983498 dumbshits showed up every time they played.

Having to resort to secret shows so your core fanbase can have fun = dud

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"they were ok before all the buzz. way overhyped at the moment"

oh, so there's already a backlash against fucking LIGHTNING BOLT?

"They were ok before 98347983498 dumbshits showed up every time they played"

They're "your" band, they shouldn't be liked by others! How dare they!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

how does THC affect my genitals?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

no, its not a backlash. let me clarify: WHEN I SAW THEM PLAY IN 99 OR SOMETHING THEY WERE OK, "OK" BEING NOT-A-BAD-THING. I AM JADED OLD FUCK, SO SHOOT ME. I ADMIT MY THURSTON MOORE PROPAGANDA LINE WAS A LITTLE BITCHY AND A PERHAPS A LIE.

ALSO: LIVE MUSIC DIED WITH THE ADVENT OF "THE CELL PHONE AS BOO BOO NIPPLE" CRAZE-BUT THATS FOR ANOTHER DAY/THREAD, IVE GOT TO READ ABOUT GEORGE TENET NOW KISSESBYE

― kephm, Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

how does THC affect my genitals?

It turns them into a yellow blob.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

MY GENITALS ARE NOT SILLY PUTTY

XPOST

― kephm, Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought that was urine

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"already"

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.laserbeast.com/photos/candle/md-cf-06.jpg

WHERE AM I?

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

also, it makes you BRITISH.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

JON I THOUGHT YOU WERE THE GUY WITH THE MOHAWK AND TIE-DYE

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.laserbeast.com/photos/candle/candlefactory12.jpg

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.laserbeast.com/photos/lupos/luposcrowd.jpg

― 50,000 SONIC YOUTH FANS CAN BE WRONG (ex machina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Does everyone in Providence dress like this?

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahahahahahahaha

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i love that picture, so priceless...

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

No Ernie in the moshpit = what type of photo is that? ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

So, lots of female fans then...

― Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I can see my brother in that photo.

― danh, Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i can see allah

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The best thing ever was the reaction of Sonic Youth fans on their messageboard to LB.... hang on

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

So lots of girls like Lightning Bolt, huh?

― Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucking cache.

― Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Legal:

RULES FOR “INK FOR BLINK”

1. Come to Bambu Tattoo on Friday, June 4th between 4 and 7 p.m. where WBRU will be doing a live broadcast;

2. Get a tattoo that includes either “95.5 WBRU,” “No Doubt,” or “Blink 182” and receive 2 tickets to the June 8th concert with No Doubt and Blink 182 at the Tweeter Center;

3. To receive the tickets, the tattoo must be done at Bambu Tattoo during the hours of 4-7 on Friday, June 4, 2004 – no exceptions;

4. A limited number of tickets are available and will be awarded on a first-come, first-serve basis;

5. Participants must be at least 18 years old and must not be under the influence of any alcohol or drugs at the time of the tattooing – no exceptions;

6. Participants must sign promotional and liability releases.

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, here we go.... the voice of Joe BRU, public discussion fomurs at BRU's web site:

I guarrantee That if I ask any of my friends or anyone I know from CT or NYC they would not have clue who any of these bands are. Don't get me wrong I like local music I would love it if one of you all made it out of there but come on "the lightning bolts" who the hell are they.

-- Dave Fischer (dav...) (webmail), November 24th, 2002 7:21 PM. (link)

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

there was a post on sy.com that basically went: "sonic youth was great [description of wankery] until these metal assholes showed up and ruined it"

the sonic youth fan came off sounding like a really lame deadhead

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

FIRST PERSON TO FIND KNIFESTORM IN THE ABOVE PICTURE GETS A DOLLAR.

http://www.breathmint.net/insearchofknifestorm.jpg

― Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 4 June 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Aw, cute little CD case, don't be shy.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 June 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I won ian!

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 4 June 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.meirion.lewis.btinternet.co.uk/pics/lb1.jpg

ROOOAAARR!!!
(At ATP UK this year, first weekend downstairs)

― mei (mei), Saturday, 5 June 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.meirion.lewis.btinternet.co.uk/pics/lb2.jpg

There are so many ilxors here it could almost be a mini-fap ;-)

― mei (mei), Saturday, 5 June 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

If only the UK could produce rock music with 1% of the talent, charm, inspiration and danciness of the BOLT.

NOISE=LOVE

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Saturday, 5 June 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

that audience looks like they're watching sigur ros or something.

― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 5 June 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

europeans don't know how to rock like "noise dudes" here in the us, gygax.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Saturday, 5 June 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

is there a single non-white fan in that whole audience?

― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 5 June 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

just askin

― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 5 June 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you mean Providence or ATP?

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Saturday, 5 June 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

there's an asian dude bottom center in providence.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Sunday, 6 June 2004 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

funny: asian dude with microphone in like 20% of all providence lb pics

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Sunday, 6 June 2004 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

That's Maki. He lived at Fort Thunder, and organized the last LB tour
of Japan. He shows up in some of those photos too. I have yet to hear
any recording he has ever made though. (He does, however, have one of
the nicest patch-panel synths I've ever seen in person.)

― minion, Sunday, 6 June 2004 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Lighting Bolt => they love 1982. what makes them different from Oasis?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 6 June 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

is there a single non-white fan in that whole audience?

-- geeta (geet...), June 6th, 2004.

In the last pic there's a japanese looking guy with a camcorder just above the drummers right hand and an asianguy in a baseball cap on the right of the pic.

The pic was taken in England so that's probably a roughly fair proportinal representation of the whole population.

Although really, what a stupid question!

― mei (mei), Sunday, 6 June 2004 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

and it was also taken at ATP.. which was generally 80% white.

― jellybean (jellybean), Sunday, 6 June 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)


i wanna get shot (1:25:45 PM): fuck these people they are all faggots
orion0014 (1:25:49 PM): hahaha
orion0014 (1:25:52 PM): i love you, chris.
orion0014 (1:25:55 PM): you're a funny man
i wanna get shot (1:25:59 PM): if you post here please tell them i hate them

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 7 June 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not totally impressed with that (and I like Lightning Bolt, so there).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 June 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

is there a single non-white fan in that whole audience?

I dunno but there's a White Sox fan (in England, who knew?!?!?)

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 7 June 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

PROVIDENCE DECLARES WAR ON PONCEY EUROTRASH!!!!!!

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Monday, 7 June 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't hate on anyone with a White Sox shirt, yo.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 7 June 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

chris = the biggest lightning bolt fan i know.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 7 June 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

haha i googled for "lazer" this morning ian and saw that! I kiss you!!!!

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Monday, 7 June 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

SSMOOOCHIES

come hang out at chris's tonight and watch August Underground, a stunningly realistic portrayal of two serial killers!

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 7 June 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I HAVE A DAET

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Monday, 7 June 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

take your date to chris's house.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 7 June 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

hmmmmmmmm

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Monday, 7 June 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I like loading every Lightning Bolt song I've ever heard into my mp3 player and running until I fall down.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I like that one part of that one song where dude screams into his ninja mask and other dude is all VREEEOOOOOWRRVRIGKAVRIGKA.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Somebody either on ILX or elsewhere said I look kinda like BG.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

post a picture dude

― #2 LIGHTNING BOLT FAN (ex machina), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

from the pictures i've seen of you, nick, i don't think you do.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

http://i.myspace.com/95/90/410959/3165309_m.JPG

xposty

― i don't see it (nickalicious), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

That's my mug shot yo.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

yea not really

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

It was Casuistry.

I ran a channel out of my bass amp through a Whammy pedal and an octave pedal into a stereo chorus and both of those lines out into different wussy little 30 watt guitar amps cranked all to fuck trying to imitate dude's tone.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I loved using my chorus that way with my 2 amps until I was electrocuted! FUCK

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
ughhh... bad Britishness strikes again!

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

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― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i always wondered what the muzak version of lightning bolt would be

― Site Admistrator (deangulberry), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Just heard the original by Lightening Bolt and there are harmonies between guitars - had Matt and Chris both been playing they would have played the harmonies.

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Muzak: Tiny Hawks

― shieldforyoureyes, Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

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Just heard the original by Lightening Bolt and there are harmonies between guitars - had Matt and Chris both been playing they would have played the harmonies.

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave is tiny hawks LP out yet? I just ordered new Kites tape and Brinkman tape from armageddon.

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― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Lightning Bolt is my favorite "skronk" band

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

apparantly the intro to the 20th earls court gig that dom & chris played was a cover of some skronk lol. apparantly its supposed to be like insane punk, earlier before i read that interview me and my friend were finding it hard to put our group of friends into a social category cos we just didnt fit anywhere, but have since decided we're skronk ;) we re-named our band to skronk too. how ace!

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

kronk...? what is that???

edit: in the interview it said: which is like insane punk, simplistic sort of gamma metal.

GAMMA METAL

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

lol btw dus ne1 know how old the ppl in lightning bolt actually are? im just curious an i cant seem to find out

*


― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)


lmao this stuff is proper mental, its like, just lmao I can imagine what we're thinking would be similar to what first time/non muse fans would be thinking if they heard 'Execution Commentary' before they had heard anything else by Muse

personally, I think this is pretty infectious lol

website http://laserbeast.com/

there's only two of them, that's proper mint, hmm I'm a fan after just knowing there's two of them, he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Not read the thread and may be repaeting things here but seriously, if you have any interest in ANYTHING and are not moved by their DVD 'Power of Salad', then I don't believe you.

Everyone I've shown it to has been blown away and mesmerised by it.Even if they don't 'get' the music. Not just the sound mind; the visuals; the intensity; the comedy, and the light and shade and something.

― hull hole (hull hole), Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

God Head Silo were the originators though.

― hull hole (hull hole), Thursday, 3 February 2005 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Crash Worship, Ruins, and Sun Ra are all more important influences
than God Head Silo.

― shieldforyoureyes, Thursday, 3 February 2005 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Crash Worship? REALLY?!?!?! WEIRD

― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Thursday, 3 February 2005 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I blame Can.

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 3 February 2005 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Crash Worship did the tribal-audience-participation thing. Like when a
Lightning Bolt audience looks like a bunch of cavemen dancing around
a fire.

― shieldforyoureyes, Thursday, 3 February 2005 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I just played that Muse intro and my workmate thought it was my ringtone :(

― DJ Mencap0))), Thursday, 3 February 2005 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

the midi version? you could use it now as a ringtone!

― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
http://lightningbolt.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=lb&action=display&num=1107639491

Sealclubber
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Re: Muse covering Dracula Mountain...ow...
« Reply #14 on: Feb 14th, 2005, 12:54pm »
I just had a listen to Lightning Bolt for the first time as I was curious to see why Muse had deemed them worthy to cover. Matt Bellamy normally has good taste but LB have to be the most awful band I have ever heard. My grannies ass has produced sounds that are easier to listen to..

GARU G?

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Jesus, speak proper english. And Muse played the song for about two minutes so I appreciated it slightly more, but I'd rather peel the skin off my cock with a rusty cheese grater than listen to that for a whole set like Lightning Bolt do.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

God, your all a bunch of arrogant pricks.

I was there at the gig, the bootleg really doesn't do it justice how it sounded at the time, so don't start saying its crap, I was there, my ears heard that cover, it was an absolutely brilliant way to start that night. So please, stop this bollocks.
Also Muse are reknowned are talking complete bollocks in interviews, so you reading that interview likes its the bible shows what you know about them and really just shows how stupid and ignorant you all are.

And no Lightning Bolt haven't done much for themselves in Europe, playing at one festival isn't bringing LB to a large range of "Europeans" (It's sickening you class us as one large group, which is far from the truth) and ATP is hardly a reknowned festival, perhaps they should try playing at a few proper festivals all over Europe, then you might have an arguement.
Basically Muse did a huge favour to LB by covering them, they brought LB to a whole new audience (nearly 40,000 over two nights, then all those people who also downloaded the bootlegs of both nights). LB hardly done that at one festival, Muse done that at their own gig.

I do really like Lightning Bolt, just a shame their fanbase are just a bunch of pricks not open to anything new, instead just want to sound big and clever.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

http://www.esquimaux.net/pages/news1.html

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Just heard a lightning bolt song thought it was well crap what a mess !!! why wear a ski mask when it isnt even cold !!! well thts my opinion anyway
email me what u think:

deano_web(atsign)hotmail.com

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

C'mon, Muse are like wee quivering gazelles, they surely all went to University to do Philosophy and were the gothy ones who played in a Radiohead covers band (they still do, I guess). The very thought of them beating LB in a fight is a joke...I'm a pussy and I could flick 'em over!!! As for their cover of Dracula Mountain, my DAD could do a more true cover and he's nearly 70. It is SOOOO horrible. It's like U2 doing a cover of Institutionalised or something....Did they not notice, Dracula Mountain is a FAST SONG. Yuk!

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

Haha u know nothing about muse so how can u comment on them?

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

y does it matter if lightning bolt could beat up muse..isnt it the music that matters..oh i see its because u know that muse r better so u resort to violence..ok.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

The Muse version is so much better it's untrue.

All i can hear in the Lightening Bolt version is some mad dude with a mega phone shouting "do do do do do".

To be honest i think you should be honoured that a band as popular as Muse want to cover one of your songs.

But as the saying goes, don't cover a song unless you make it better, which Muse have clearly done.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

you bloody foools ur shitty american version pales in comparison to Muse's cover.. times are changing man stop getting stuck in the past about these things and accept that this band sounds better, i really think all the winging here must be due to the fact that your original sucks much more than band you saw the that night

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)


I would just like to say omfg, lightning bolt are shit. And you 'loyal' fans what are you on about, you should be fucking greatful that a band as big as Muse are covering such a crap song. Before you get all huffed up about a british band covering 'your' song jusr remember who lightning bolt are; a bunch of nobodys who hardly anyone has ever heard of.
The Muse version is much better.
Fuck you, get a good taste in music you cunts.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

why wear a ski mask when it isnt even cold !!! well thts my opinion anyway

hee hee

LB: Get cash the fast way, the ski mask way!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

get a good taste in music!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

You whining bunch of idiots can't seem to see that Muse are never going to release their cover of Dracula Mountain. It was used as a riff; deemed only fit to be used as an introduction to their gigs that thousands fought to see, and actually did you a favour by bringing slightly more acknowledgement, if not thanks due to your less than grateful response, to your thoroughly anonymous and disgracefully talentless 'idols'. Do you never wonder why no one has heard of Lightning Bolt? And don't say "we have", because you are all nobodys.

Thank You and Good Night

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

once again muse should quit jocking radiohead and other bands.
boooooo
play a piano with lights on it you jock.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)


At least Muse can afford a piano with lights on it and big fuck off screens that show really cool graphics.
What do LB have, and old guy with a stick pretending to beat back the 'many' fans you have?

Oh, and Muse are actually English, not Scottish so how are they Jocks?

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)


At least Muse can afford a piano with lights on it and big fuck off screens that show really cool graphics.
What do LB have, and old guy with a stick pretending to beat back the 'many' fans you have?

Oh, and Muse are actually English, not Scottish so how are they Jocks?


ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, you American's are such dicks , why don't you go and run a marathon and lose some of those pounds?

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)


oKAY i THINK i'M GONNA BE FUCKIN SICK
1) This is not a UK thing, I'm Scottish and I swear I would rather rip my ears off than listen to FUCKING MUSE.

2) Saying LB will become more popular through Muse as a positive thing is completely missing the fucking point. iF mUSE FANS HAD any punk whatsoever ABOUT THEM, they might understand that popularity is of no relevence to people like us and thank fuck!!

3)Just look at the picture of those DICKS that someone posted above. Look at that guy's hair. Dear god, I've never wanted to punch someone so bad in my life. And I'm a pacifist!

4) If you think the Muse version is better than the original...FUCK OFF THIS BOARD BACK TO THE SLOW WHINY INDIE SCHMINDY BOARD you came from.

OH GOD IT MAKES ME SO ANGRY THAT ANYONE COULD EVER DREAM OF SUGGESTING THAT A MUSE COVER OF A LIGHTNING BOLT SONG COULD BE POSITIVE IN ANY WAY...IT'S SOOOOO WROOONG.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Lightning!!!
Jeremy Lavine
Period 3

What is lightning? Where does it come from? What does it mean? Does it have a meaning? Where does it come from? What is it made of? Is it made of light? Some might say it was made of light. Others contend that lightning is made of fire. People used to think that lightning was made of fire. Fire in the sky. Fire that killed people and knocked down trees. Before Benjamin Franklin. Benjamin Franklin was a founding father. He fatherly founded that lightning is made of electricity. Electricity in the sky.

But what of the Greek myths, of the Greek god Zeus and of the popular image of Zeus - a Greek God - throwing down lightning bolts to kill people and knock down trees. Where did he find the time? And what of lightning being made of fire? In this workaday world in the era of the founding father Benjamin Franklin we have no time nor patience for such concerns. These are for the third world and schizophrenics.

Some people do not understand that lightning is destructive. They ignore the wisdom of their elders and of the founding father Benjamin Franklin. They think lightning is a lie perpetrated by people with a vested interest. At their own peril!!! Lightning kills people and knocks down trees!!! It a power of destruction exercised by the Greek god Zeus, the mightiest of Greek gods!! But they do it: they ignore such wisdom and taunt the powerful exercise of destruction and they worship their idle gods and stand near trees. At their own peril!! Lightning has the killing power to kill people and the destructive power to knock down trees! When you stand near trees, they will be knocked down by lightning and you will be killed by lightning! There is no escape. Lightning will knock down the tree and knock down your soul. Trees are tall.

Many things are tall. Many things attract lightning. But do the two correlate? A recent study says yes. It says that being tall and attracting lightning do correlate. That means that being tall corellates with being struck by lightning. You die when you are struck by lightning, and your tree is knocked down.

Some people try to measure lightning, they take measurements of it. They use balloons and rockets and their imagination and determination and research money and they put it all in the mixing bowl and they mix in storms - storms with lightning - and so they mix in the lightning and then they get the product if they're lucky of measurements about lightning from the storm? What kind of measurements? We may never know ...

(Jeremy, what the heck is this? This is only one step beyond rambling and babbling. Can you get it together.)

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

This thread is just a swirling mass of retardedness. I think both versions of the song are bad, however I like Muse more than Lightning Bolt because they are more talented and generally better. The only reason there is more favour for lightning bolt here is because this is a board full of Lightning Bolt fans. Ask an unbiased music board you single-minded fags.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

America could stand to lose a few pounds, true.

At least Muse can afford a piano with lights on it

this is the best thing ever.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

u think lb have become poppular over in uk just bcoz of muse! ur fucking wrong i live in the smallest town ever and my bands on a record label which loves lb hella shellac pink and brown and no 1s ever heard of our town so its obvisous that muse did'nt make lb poppular so stop thinking muse are gods coz there not matt bellemy is a smelly bellend hes a ponce oh yea muse are talented thts bullshit lightning bolt are fucking physcos chippendale on drums is a frantic git when it comes to playing

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

As for their cover of Dracula Mountain, my DAD could do a more true cover and he's nearly 70. It is SOOOO horrible. It's like U2 doing a cover of Institutionalised or something....

HAHAHAHA

― Mr. Harvey Weinstein (mr harvey weinstein), Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

you lb fans still retarded!? i heard some lb being played the other day (as yes i have listened to them to see if they were any good... what a waste of time that was!!) they were playin lb to a bunch of retarded kids to keep them under control... so yes your crappy little armerican band is so shite that it can control the retarded an bring them into submission... fucking talent... what talent!? do they actually play their own instruments properly or do they just play their songs slow an speed it up a couple of thousand times? lb need arse fucking from a grizzly bear and then a slap from Mr Gay USA... but then i spose they come joint 1st for Mr Gay USA so they'll have to fuck off and die somewhere...

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

somebodies a bit retarded... cant even spell bellamy... fucking retard! well's its obvious he can play as he does, if ud bother watching him play you'd realise jus how talented he is and why he's currently one of the best guitarists in the history of british music! and yes in fact i have heard lb but it is bollocks abd muse would tan them in terms of music live any day... goat rapist with no ear for music

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)


wrong again. a breath of freash air... fuck off and die fella... i dont think any of u faggots have actually listened to muse properly!! boy band? that would make the foo's, system of a down, qotsa and a countless number of other bands boy bands... thick headed wanker! and no muse doesnt represent large companies taking advantage they represent what every one in a rock band wants to be... headlining huge gigs at places like glasto and earls court... if lb were given the oppertunity to headline glasto r they really going to turn the chance down? no... if they have big record companies offering stupid sums of money to play music? no... muse have degraded themselves... how? so lb hav become as popular as possible... so why has nobody heard of them? coz ther not going for the big time... whys that? coz ther SHIT? coz ther scared of success? if there such a great band why has nobody heard of them?

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

NME readers in homophobia, not understanding DIY scene shocka

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

"at least muse can afford a piano with lights on it"

xpost

― a banana (alanbanana), Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

u guys r gay muse rule when i heard lightning bolt dracula mountain the actual song it made me feel like my ears were gona blead but muse have made it sound good.

― A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

Lightning Bolt(tm) - Making Muse Fan's Ears Bleed Since January!

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

Why is almost all of the wikipedia entry for Wonderful Rainbow about Muse covering Dracula Mountain once?

― I know, right?, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 17:32 (seventeen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 17:33 (seventeen years ago)

Whatevs, this album is amazing, especially Dracula Mountain

― I know, right?, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 17:34 (seventeen years ago)

eight months pass...

Megasus

Riding forth like thunderbolts cast from the hammer of Thor, the eight hooves of MEGASUS burn a trail of fire 'cross the winter sky.

Megasus is a heavy metal band, formed by members of Lightning Bolt and ex-members of Amazing Royal Crowns, Laurels and Scared Stiffs. In mid 2006, Ryan Lesser Ryan Lesser (Laurels), Jason "King" Kendall (Amazing Royal Crowns) and Paul Lyons (Scared Stiffs) invited Dare Matheson from Made In Mexico to play drums for a recording of "Red Lottery" as a submission for the Playstation 2 game Guitar Hero II. After recording "Red Lottery", Megasus lost Matheson and gained Lightning Bolt bassist Brian Gibson as the new full-time drummer. Technically, Megasus is a supergroup. Megasus quickly became one of the more controversial acts on the Guitar Hero release, polarizing audiences with the game's only inclusion of slow, doomy metal.

Anyone heard his?

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 April 2009 17:15 (sixteen years ago)

we definitely need more hipster false metal side projects since Goblin Cock and Dead Child are both so awesome

― que sera seroff (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 April 2009 17:25 (sixteen years ago)

Goblin Cock was awesome

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 April 2009 17:25 (sixteen years ago)

I saw them live a year or so ago, they're not bad meat n potatoes rock stuff, don't know if I'd call them metal? maybe metal in the MC5 sense? but I haven't seen 'em for a while but I do know they just put out a record. sounds like they've gotten doomier?

if you want to talk about lb side projects, black pus is good stuff.

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Monday, 20 April 2009 17:34 (sixteen years ago)

megasus album looks like this

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i301/ryanlesser/MegasusLPcontents.jpg

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Monday, 20 April 2009 17:53 (sixteen years ago)

OMG want. Who cares how mediocre the hipster metal is when it comes packaged like that?

― suggest banh mi (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 20 April 2009 18:16 (sixteen years ago)

I only half-kid.

― suggest banh mi (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 20 April 2009 18:16 (sixteen years ago)

what happened I am confused are you guys calling LB hipster metal?

― Plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 20 April 2009 19:23 (sixteen years ago)

i think people are just voicing their preference for free downloads rather than well-crafted objects that cost money. (aka suckerz)

― ian, Monday, 20 April 2009 19:24 (sixteen years ago)

three months pass...

There doesn't seem to be anything posted here about the new album yet. Anyway, new album is Earthly Delights and there's a track floating around from it called "Colossus," news at Pitchfork and other sites, etc. etc.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 15:44 (sixteen years ago)

didn't really knock me on first listen. sounded kinda lazy for a lightning bolt track

― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 15:47 (sixteen years ago)

THERE'S A NEW ALBUM?

― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 15:57 (sixteen years ago)

where can the first track be found?

― I'M IN MIAMI, TRICK-OR-TREAT (Beatrix Kiddo), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 15:59 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.arthurmag.com/2009/08/17/new-lightning-bolt-epic-for-ya-colossus/

― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 16:02 (sixteen years ago)

ah, thanks.

this one's been around for a bit in live form - search archive.org and you'll find a rawer version of it.

― I'M IN MIAMI, TRICK-OR-TREAT (Beatrix Kiddo), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:19 (sixteen years ago)

pretty sure i saw brian gibson drumming with the wizzards at a halloween show maybe 2 or 3 years ago

― don't try to church it up (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:58 (sixteen years ago)

new song is kinda boring.
if the new record is gonna be a slow,thin,post-rockish thing as this song is - it will be a disappointment.
we already have Trans Am for those kind of things...

― Zeno, Monday, 24 August 2009 16:43 (sixteen years ago)

ANTICIPATINGGGGGGG

― neat lung (╓abies), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 02:26 (sixteen years ago)

Whoa ok, this is not really what I was expecting from a new Lightning Bolt track. Kind of a lazy jam? Sounds like pre-practice warming up.

― neat lung (╓abies), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 02:35 (sixteen years ago)

I'm kind of a sucker for any heavy wah-fuckery like this but it's not really doing it for me.

― neat lung (╓abies), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 02:38 (sixteen years ago)

still haven't seem them live :(

― crabRCISE (gbx), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 21:07 (sixteen years ago)

yeah, and for once, I actually had the chance one time! I kinda think Colossus is pretty great if not necessarily what I was hoping for from them.

― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 22:17 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.swfwmd.state.fl.us/conservation/indoors/leak.jpg

― Mariela Ure (jeff), Thursday, 27 August 2009 21:18 (sixteen years ago)

I like the new album

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 27 August 2009 21:19 (sixteen years ago)

The last track is killin me.

― oing oing oing (╓abies), Friday, 28 August 2009 04:32 (sixteen years ago)

Like what I've heard. Kinda gives off a Gravitar/Helios Creed/Hawkwind vibe at points, less of a spastic joy than their other stuff.

― te reo speedwagon (CharlieS), Friday, 28 August 2009 05:45 (sixteen years ago)

I like it. it sounds like lightning bolt. but I've come to accept that they'll never really change all that much and that this is OK.

― original bgm, Friday, 28 August 2009 14:27 (sixteen years ago)

last track does indeed rule. love the little dubby touches on the drums that pop off here and there.

― original bgm, Friday, 28 August 2009 14:40 (sixteen years ago)

listening again... middle stretch kinda drags, huh?

― original bgm, Friday, 28 August 2009 16:16 (sixteen years ago)

No way does it drag. Solid all the way through

― van smack, Friday, 28 August 2009 17:03 (sixteen years ago)

just not feelin' the stretch from "colossus" thru "funny farm" as much as the openers/closers. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

― original bgm, Friday, 28 August 2009 18:53 (sixteen years ago)

I still can't get all that into Colossus, though The Sublime Freak and Funny Farm are two of my favorite songs thus far.

― oing oing oing (╓abies), Saturday, 29 August 2009 01:21 (sixteen years ago)

seven months pass...

I'm listening to that Megasus album right now, ain't half bad.

― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 2 April 2010 18:48 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

HOLY SHIT. got back from a denver show. best concert i've experienced all year - i typically go to about 1-3 a weekend, no fail.

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 7 April 2011 16:58 (fourteen years ago)

do they still set up the drumkit in the middle of the room?

― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 7 April 2011 16:59 (fourteen years ago)

loud, dark, and lots of rubbing. rolling on 12 beers also helped. lightning bolt dudes are also v v friendly - didn't ask for autographs and such but was kinda bewildered that they came out and started in on conversation w/ "us" like their was absolutely no facade of celebrity to be seen.

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:01 (fourteen years ago)

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oh man, i wish i had pics. the drum kit was set against a wall, so yeah, there was no 360surround for them. still packed - had an incredibly hard time breathing at times.

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago)

and maybe i'll just reserve all my thoughts for some kind of blog post, but i now have newfound appreciation for mosh pits. we had another band, Hot White (they opened for No Age and share a v v similar aesthetic) & when the mosh went down there i really thought it the most cliche pronouncement of asshole-ishness: no concern for other ppl, trying to gain some sort of limelight, knocking other ppl's beers over and hitting them in the face (etc).

the fact that when LB played did EVERYONE partake in the mosh-pit p much quelled all that (save for the prudes in the very edges of the show who seemed to not want to be their, period). i mean half the fun was jumping over the crowd to actually SEE LB... & i love crowd mentality, that when you start doing something everyone else follows. it was seriously like being 9 again.

k im done.

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:13 (fourteen years ago)

you saw lightning bolt when you were 9??

― ilxor, I know you sometimes feel like ilx revolves around you (ilxor), Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:15 (fourteen years ago)

4th grade field trip

― Bagel A-Go-Go (wgdaniel), Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)

i mean half the fun was jumping over the crowd to actually SEE LB.

that is something that not everyone finds fun. Some people prefer hanging back.

― sarahel, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:22 (fourteen years ago)

All comments should be filed under: imo

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)

the last time i saw them, they had a big mirror, so that people could still see the band without fighting for space up front. I thought that was cool.

― sarahel, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)

same, actually! one of those grocery-store-ish mirrors of ye olde, but oversized massively. but trouble was was that the lightsman turned off p much everything for 10minutes at a time (just the moonlight from the big garage door coming in), or we just had xmas light lining the roof. i typically kinda hate dim lighting or just general fucking w/ them, but it worked very well here. surprisingly little groping.

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:30 (fourteen years ago)

cool - I'm seeing them on Tuesday in Oakland. I like the opening bands for their SF show better than the ones on the Oakland bill, but the SF venue has really shitty sound for a band like Lightning Bolt. Like, it's possibly the worst venue in SF I could think of for them to play.

― sarahel, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:32 (fourteen years ago)

I saw them at Kimo's 10 years ago... that was a pretty awful venue (soundwise).

― City of Jorts (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:38 (fourteen years ago)

Steve, they're playing at rickshaw, which is just super super dead.

― sarahel, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:39 (fourteen years ago)

Seen them twice before and experienced much the same thing. I'm too old for moshing and started off hanging back but over the course of the show felt the urge to get to where the music was coming from. By the end was standing over Chippendale feeling the snare hits go through me.

― fit and working again, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:40 (fourteen years ago)

yeah - don't think i'll ever mosh again no matter how many drinks are in me, but this was a situation that rly encouraged it. you could either wait out at the fringe and tap your toes and limit yourself to not seeing a damn thing... or join the mosh and move up at least 30ft in what i assume is the closest reenaction of medieval combat there is today.

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:44 (fourteen years ago)

the cool thing about seeing/hearing them in a resonant warehouse space is that you can hang back and the sound is still monumental.

― sarahel, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:45 (fourteen years ago)

First time I saw them was at Emos in Austin where people were standing on the stage and the BAR to see them.

― fit and working again, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:46 (fourteen years ago)

xpost
ah, yes! i did not envy anybody who saw them at coachella.

i wish i could travel more - rly interested in seeing what other town's art/warehouse-ish venues are like.

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:47 (fourteen years ago)

what venue did you see them in, k?

― sarahel, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:47 (fourteen years ago)

...xxpost

haha i allowed a girlfriend of mine to stand on my shoulders. there were kids climbing the speakers (the big, tall, stacked type) to see them. a particularly clever dude attempted to crawl his way into the forefront, tho i might have the refrain from the "clever" part as i'm not sure he made it.

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:49 (fourteen years ago)

rhinoceropolis! it's the only thing we have here going for DIY stuff anyway... aside from a couple in the nearby college towns which really aren't worth a damn.

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:50 (fourteen years ago)

That's what I thought -- from what i've heard it's a great place. Everyone I know who has toured through has said that Rhinoceropolis was one of their favorite tour stops.

― sarahel, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:52 (fourteen years ago)

you i wouldn't know as i haven't lived much anywhere else save for denver (or at least anywhere else after having been 18yrs old.. i've moved plenty). i guess we benefit from a particularly friendly vibe? whatever it is that LB is "from" - their own garage venue I can't remember the name of... well, anyway, judging from the pics it really kicks our ass.

denver gets passed over by touring bands so much as well too (usually rather going south to texas than hitting up), so this happened to be a really big deal... typically the place doesn't fill up with more than 40-60 people max.

i go there pretty often - any of these aforementioned bands toured here recently?

― kelpolaris, Thursday, 7 April 2011 18:02 (fourteen years ago)

Denver is convenient for going from Seattle to Ann Arbor/Chicago/Twin Cities/Wisconsin -- as far as noise band touring goes.

― sarahel, Thursday, 7 April 2011 18:05 (fourteen years ago)

Going to see LB live isn't a revelatory experience. If you don't like them going in, you probably won't like them going out.
They put on a good "show" though.

― The Sunspots In Your Eyes Are Actually Cataracts, Mr. Rudich (AWALL), Saturday, 9 April 2011 00:56 (fourteen years ago)

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6q8jYXqrcg

― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 9 June 2013 08:05 (twelve years ago)

The Black Pus album is one of my favourite of the year so far.

― Doran, Sunday, 9 June 2013 08:26 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

Annnnnd

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/hear-lightning-bolts-first-recording-in-six-years-the-metal-east-20150210

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 18:10 (eleven years ago)

Wait til you hear the whole album.

― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 18:47 (eleven years ago)

Lightning Bolt tour dates:
04/15 Buffalo, NY @ Mohawk Place
04/16 Columbus, OH @ Double Happiness
04/17 Cleveland, OH @ Beachland Ballroom
04/18 Ferndale, MI @ The Loving Touch
04/19 Chicago, IL @ The Empty Bottle
04/20 Saint Paul, MN @ Turf Club
04/21 St. Louis, MO @ The Luminary Center for the Arts
04/22 Lawrence, KS @ Jackpot Music Hall
04/24 Denver, CO @ GLOB
04/25 Salt Lake City, UT @ Kilby Court
04/27 Boise, ID @ The Shredder
04/28 Seattle, WA @ Neumos
04/29 Portland, OR @ Dantes
05/01 San Francisco, CA @ The Chapel
05/02 Oakland, CA @ Leo’s
05/03 Los Angeles, CA @ Echoplex
05/04 Santa Ana, CA @ Constellation Room
05/05 San Diego, CA @ Casbah
05/06 Phoenix, AZ @ Crescent Ballroom
05/08 Austin, TX @ Austin Psych Fest
05/09 New Orleans, LA @ Siberia
05/10 Atlanta, GA @ Mammal Gallery
05/11 Raleigh, NC @ Kings
05/12 Washington, D.C. @ Rock & Roll Hotel
05/13 Baltimore, MD @ Floristree
05/14 Philadelphia, PA @ Johnny Brenda’s
05/15 Brooklyn, NY @ The Wick
05/16 New York, NY @ Le Poisson Rouge

― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 19:02 (eleven years ago)

Ah, I already have the whole album. Yay promos.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 19:04 (eleven years ago)

Wish they were playing somewhere else in Seattle, but it should be fun. Looks like Liturgy will be supporting? Would have preferred Guardian Alien!

Saw them on the Oblivion Hunter tour in a Mexican restaurant and it was a pretty top-tier experience. So loud that across the street, in my car, it sounded just a hair quieter than it did inside.

― Tomás Piñon (Ryan), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 19:07 (eleven years ago)

That Thumper game looks really cool.

― jmm, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 19:16 (eleven years ago)

05/01 San Francisco, CA @ The Chapel
05/02 Oakland, CA @ Leo’s

these are such odd choices for venues

― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 20:24 (eleven years ago)

i saw them play at that bowling alley in Chicago that usta have shows, wanna say 2002.

― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 20:29 (eleven years ago)

this album, y'all

― alpine static, Friday, 13 February 2015 01:45 (eleven years ago)

:D

― j., Friday, 13 February 2015 04:44 (eleven years ago)


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