dave matthews - crash into me

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I wish I could say no!

....if you're without standards, then maybe.

I can safely say, however, that Killing Joke at their dullest or least realized (say, the Outside the Gate album) are a thousand times more interesting than DMB.

I would say with a perfectly straight face that there is INARGUBALY better and more interesting music than DMB out there (and no, I'm not necessarily talking about Killing Joke or even about any specific artists that I personally happen to espouse). Couple that, however, with the apparent fact that DMB fans champion the band as if Dave himself was the first man to ever run his fingers across the strings of a guitar and you may find the reasons for both my ire and further disinterest in the band. I don't see how someone, having explored further musical options open to them, would ever go back to listening to DMB.

You can say that all you want. To bad that doesn't make it true though. You might actually have an even motive behind your fanaticism if that was the case. I see/play/listen to many different types and styles of music every day, it comes with the major. A reason I like DMB is because they play so many diverse styles of music and it fills my void of something different. Guess that puts to rest your theory of me not being well-versed in different kinds of music.
You're getting all upset for the same reason I was, and neither are really 100% correct. I'm done if you are.

Of course, context is key, too - if Jay-Z did a "Crash"-like song, I can't see it doing so well. (Closest he's come = "Song Cry"?)

BTW, the actual line is "hike up your skirt a little more / and show your world to me".

-- Allison (derangedduc...), August 18th, 2003.

i can honestly say i think that Killing Joke is constantly musically promulent.

Considering what I'm usually called on ILM, this is a fuckin' breakthrough.

Hey since I'm new, can I play my get out of jail free card and ask: Is there an appropriate thread on this site to discuss DMB appreciation?

www.dmbontv.com

I just discovered this site yesterday. Lovers will be enthralled. Haters please take a look if you want, if for nothing more than Dave's induction of Traffic into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. The lot who isn't familiar, you might find this site helpful as well. The Woodstock clips (Ants Marching being a highlight) are bitchin. Noteworthy tributes to Lennon, Nelson and Cash, and of course...

"Carter Beauford on the drums!"

I'm DMB fan, I think my credibility is about zero with this crowd. I'd love it if people saw and heard what I see and hear, but as far as jumpstarting any reassessment... well, that would take an act of god. I've been a fan so long it's become almost unconditional. Even if I grow out of their music one day, their music still changed my life (before anyone says it, don't. I'm not sorry for me. and before anyone says that other thing, yes, I love many bands and many different kinds of music as well. of my 200ish concert stubs, only 34 are DMB - the next highest for a single act is 5 shows, that's nawt so bad!).

Their catalog is so much larger than most would imagine. I'm sure some of you know. C'mon, it's ok to come out. You're with friends!

I don't like most of the radio songs either!

OK I like half of them.

(obscure ATHF reference, hope you get it)

I would also like to type
DuMB,
Everyone's accusing me!

"DuMB"

How long did that take to come up with?

Not me, though. My hate for Dave Matthews is not only my biggest hate, it's my first hate; the first music I learned to really, really despise.

Hell, the entirety of my current relationship is based around me and my girlfriend's shared hatred of Dave Matthews. I'm not willing to sacrifice my relationship just so that I might maybe learn to like that squealing chimp you call Dave Matthews.

Jole, I kiss you!

I kiss you!

www.dmbnewstudioalbum.com = hallelujah

The latest update (part 3) was added today, just watch. do it now.
"I don't know why we've never thought to make a record this way..."

See Carter Go in "a view from the inside".

The Lillywhite/Everyday/Busted Stuff trifecta put a few fans through the wringer; it was almost like having one(albeit, really good)album for, what has it been, the last five, six years? From the sound of the clips, this album is the second-coming of BTCS, but could be greater.

*grinning*

Kenny, I am not campaigning so much for people to like what I like, but more to encourage friendly discourse with those who might already like DMB, or at least don't hate them, and find a thread where random DMB-loving freaks and DMB-tolerators are "safe".

Of course you're safe here too, Kenny... ;)

They're Rock n' Roll Hall-of-Famers, pinky swear.

It's just an exciting time to be a fan at the moment.

I have insomnia.

So I'm trying my best to keep my zeal in check and be a good 'lil DMB crusader. I've back-read many of the DMB-related threads (including the loved & hated epic) and have a good idea of what's been done. I intentionally hijacked this thread to avoid creating a new one (treading lightly), as this one seemed the mildest, and most balanced. From what I've read in this thread, the DMB fans not only can spell and know how to release the caps lock, but are genuine, insightful music lovers, more representative of the fans I know. Even the oft-ruthless ILM posse is playing nice here (comparatively).

I think y'all should join us for the Gorge this summer, sit around the bonfire and have a smoke with us (once in the element, you'll be easier to subdue and brainwash).

In Nick Hornby's "Songbook," he writes an essay about one particular pop song that, while it might not be defined as masterful, would not leave his system. The idea behind the essay was this; when we listen to a song over and over, we do so because we need to "solve" them. I've always felt that we only get something from a tune, if at all, when we're ready to receive it's message. For instance, I've heard the Indigo Girls' Closer to Fine a hundred times on the radio and never really cared for it, but one day, amidst a chaos and anxiety-filled couple of years (living in the bay area for the first time), I heard what they were singing about, and was grateful for the reminder. Now every time it comes on I pay attention, and it doesn't even matter whether or not it's a "good" song.

So here are a few DMB lyrics, not Top, because it is impossible to narrow down. (We zealouts can barely manage a *top 5 songs* that doesn't constantly fluctuate)

"My head wont leave my head alone"

"I'd like to show you what's inside!
(but I still don't care, if you don't like it)"

"Forget about the reasons,
and the treasons we are seeking
Forget about the notion,
that our emotion can be kept at bay
Forget about being guilty,
we are innocent instead"

"Turns out not where but who you're with that really matters, that really matters
And hurts not much when you're around, when you're around
And if you hold on tight to what you think is your thing
You may find you're missing all the rest.
She run up into the light, surprised,
Her arms are open. Her minds eye is

Seeing things from a better side than most can dream
On a clearer road I feel, oh you could say she's safe
Whatever tears at her, whatever holds her down
And if nothing can be done,
She'll make the best of what's around"

"so here we are , all of us stand around
we're leaning heavy on eachother
always wondering
what is it lies behind
the worried eyes of one another

I believe it's LOVE!
hiding there
in the shadows in the darkness, BABY!"

"Shut up I'm thinking!
I had a clue now it's gone forever"

My head wont leave my head alone
Interesting. But I slightly prefer the Jimmy Dale Gilmore version of this trope, "My Mind's Got A Mind Of Its Own," although Google tells me that this song has been covered by none other than Phish! A popular conundrum in certain circles.

I didn't know Captain Comedown and the Buzzkillers posted here, sweet!

Jon, if you need help getting laid, I've heard DMB tunes can help. You can borrow my crash cd if you want. :)

lucky them, you're a real charmer.

A phan who hates DMB? nah, get outta here!

I like them both, but I've only been to 5 Phish shows, so that doesn't really count.

I take it you're insanely bitter over the Dave & Friends tour (one of the best concerts I've ever been)?

So when you hear "Thing" jam from the DM&F set at Bonnaroo, you don't even feel a little bit good?

"Whoah, everything just tasted purple for a second!" -Fry

If you mean the band, I've only heard Caught By the River, and I liked it from first listen.

If not, I prefer ligers to doves.

Also, I'm wondering if watching a DMB concert DVD is like watching Triumph of the Will or something, y'all?

"No, I meant the band. Not trying to mess with you. Just trying to get a sense of what somewhat ILM-approved bands a DMB-fan might like, and, also, if you vote for Pedro, all your dreams will come true. "

Thanks :). I was just covering my bases, just in case. Your post cheered me up. I'll get more Doves tonight - any songs in particular?

everytime i read a post written by a dave fan trying to reach out to this board i feel the same kind of creepiness that i get when a mormon or jehovah's witness comes knocking at my door. does anyone feel this way?

in any event, i'd rather go mormon than go dave

....and yes i have seen him in concert before i had any preconceived notions of him (before i'd even heard of him). despite being surrounded by friends (who i was friends with despite their poor taste in music), there was nothing that made me like or want to like his music. he just seemed like a monkey beating off on a guitar playing horribly predictable songs that never seemed to have a beginning or end. then a year later, i found out that assholes make up a great deal of his fanbase and that didn't help his case, either.

lol

"Try "Lost Souls." If that appeals (and it's hard for me to picture it not, as it's so lush, melancholy, and gorgeous), the rest of the first album should appeal as well. It's mostly atmospheric like that, though there are some uptempo britpop type things. The second album is nice as well. And if you're still feeling prickly about confounding the haters here, and feeling larky too, check out some songs from the new 6 Organs of Admittance album, The School of the Flower. Think of it as Dave at dawn on mushrooms on the shores of the Caspian Sea. A Dave/6 Organs fan could wreak havoc here."

I think you are my fairy-godperson on this thread.

And I meant to mention earlier (but held back 'til I knew for sure you weren't part of the assault), that I was in another room the first time I heard Caught By the River come on VH1 late night. I had to immediately go see who it was, the song didn't need any time to grow on me. I love it when that happens...

You were right about doves, this is right up my alley. I put on Zither first, and right away it reminded me of my 2nd favorite artist, Badly Drawn Boy. I don't know if you hear that comparison a lot (?). I also heard parts that reminded me of Wilco, Thomas Dybdahl, and even a little Zero 7 (3 of my top 5). Very lush as you said, earthy and sonic at once. I'm enjoying "Here It Comes" and "A House" quite a lot.

I've been unable to get ahold of any 6 Organ so far... maybe it's because I need to hear Banhart first. I'll look into that tonight. Thank you!

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"just wondering--does anyone here on ilm post on DMB forums trying to convince his fans to stop listening to his music?"

Actually, it does happen from time to time (though not necessarily ilm-ers), very entertaining. It's as though no one can stand that we love them *so* much, it... well, baba said it: "drives the crowd that makes the tastes crazy." Very well put, a bitch of a toungue-twister too!

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"Have you been on here all day?"

Napoleon, don't be jealous just because I've been chatting online with babes, ALL DAY. Besides, we both know I'm training to be a cage fighter.