Britney Spears is an Idiot: SHOCKER!

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"Honestly, I think we should just trust our President in every decision that he makes, and we should just support that."

- Britney Spears, pop star, responding to a question froM CNN analyst Tucker Carlson on whether she supports the war in Iraq.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

she doesn't even know if she's a girl or a woman, feh

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Tucker Carlson in asking a stupid question shocker.

Did he just ask her that so that he could use the clip in a piece about why celebrities shouldn't have opinions?

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 8 September 2003 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Tucker Carlson in asking a stupid question shocker.

This is in no way a defense of Tucker Carlson, but why do you think that's a stupid question, Dave? Granted, Tucker invariably had an agenda, but why do you consider asking a prominent public figure about their stance on a global issue a stupid move?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Tucker Carlson?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 8 September 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

.. I mean why did Tucker Carlson think that Britney Spears would have anything insightful to say about politics? There are quite a few intelligent celebrities who do have interesting opinions.. Brit is not one of them. Who's on tonight? Melanie Griffith?

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 8 September 2003 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I reas that a few days ago and it annoyed me too. I'm sure that her mentality towards authority figures is what got her where she is today though.

― shut up, Monday, 8 September 2003 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"There are quite a few intelligent celebrities who do have interesting opinions" = "There are quite a few intelligent celebrities who have the same opinion as me."

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 8 September 2003 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

No.. While I'm not usually in agreement with Ted Nugent, I like to hear him talk & I respect his opinions.

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

"Impeach Bush, for dropping that dog on it's head"

Stacey Orrico, yesterday

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

that photo of bush dropping the dog is the second best thing after the adam ant thing

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's a pretty safe bet that Tucker was angling for just this type of answer, safely assuming Britney couldn't find Iraq on a map, much less be able to express an informed opinion about current events.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

If you find a better picture, please post it.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030830/capt.1062270954.topix_bush_txdl102.jpg

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

The looks on the faces of the girls behind him is priceless. The opportunities for IMAGE AS MULTIVERSATILE METAPHOR here are vast in number.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

The looks on the faces of the girls behind him is priceless

...are priceless, I should say.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

the tween generations watergate?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

The guy on the left is just standing there, like "Is that your dog?"

And Bush, always the baseball fan, is calling Barney "Safe!"

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

ts: tucker carlson vs. dean carlson

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The Popbitch "pramface"-style snobbery and misogynism that lie behind this thread I find pretty nauseating.

Of course it's perfectly acceptable for, say, Jaz Coleman to have ill-informed right-wing opinions, hmm?

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 8 September 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcello, that's the worst instigation attempt ever (which of course means Alex will be all over it like white on processed rice, hah).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course it's perfectly acceptable for, say, Jaz Coleman to have ill-informed right-wing opinions, hmm?

To which I responed, who has more influence? Jaz or Britney?

To answer your question, whether you agree with Coleman's opinions or not, you'd be the minsinformed one to write him off as the idiot of the same caliber Britney Spears proves herself to be.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

minceinformed.

kaliber.

sorry, nothing of use to add. nothing at all. not just me, I mean.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

In my ire, I mistype. Sue me.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

you'd expect more people to dismiss britney-opinions pretty readily.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

readilier?

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

caliber

What's your problem with this word?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

tony hancock.

no, I know this is how it is spelled in the USA. it reminds me of kaliber is all.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

people like britney so much more than george w. i'd say they like either more than people who slate britney though.

that's people though.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

...misogynism that lie behind this thread I find pretty nauseating.

This thread would be no different had the quote been made by one of Britney's male counterparts, from Timberlake to Rob Thomas. Idiocy knows no gender distinction.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

(I am OTM.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Why, if it's the same opinion? And why is that opinion necessarily "wrong" or "idiotic"?

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 8 September 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you familiar with our current sitting President George W. Bush, Marcello?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes. Are you?

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 8 September 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, why are you even replying to Marcello?

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 8 September 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahahahahaha.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

marcello makes a good point.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

That being?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally, you are perilously close to raining on my parade.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

what's wrong with what marcello is saying?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you agree that people in authority should be enthusiastically supported without question and without reservation? Is every decision made by a person in power automatically the right decision?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Britney's kneejerk acceptance and blind faith in the doctrice of the Bush administration implies abject idiocy to me. If that quote came from Bono or Jaz Coleman or Gavin Friday or Phillip Glass or Laurie Anderon or Sporty Spice or Jon Spencer or Phyllis Diller, I'd feel the same way towards them. But, it didn't. It came from Britney, so she becomes the lucky recipient of that derision.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

(oh no i'm being sucked into the vortex help me mommy)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

It's true. The jaw-dropping stupidity of her statement isn't in the politics of it. A comment like "we should just trust __________ in every decision that he makes and we should just support that" is mind-numbingly simean no matter who she's talking about.

― shut up, Monday, 8 September 2003 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

simean!!!!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Calling Britney Spears an idiot is misogynistic is it? Oh fuck off.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think it's misogyny to laugh at Britney's comments. If anything, I'd rather that female performers not act like a bimbo in public.

Don't forget that Fred Durst made some equally dumb vague "anti-war" statement at some awards show.

― Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

simean, indeed,

I love music!

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

''Do you agree that people in authority should be enthusiastically supported without question and without reservation?''

does it actually make any difference either way? Lets face it, ppl can support or disapprove of the person in power but its all to do with what happens during the election, or which name you cross at the ballot.

If she criticised him there would be lots of cynicism round here too.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

does it actually make any difference either way?

No, it doesn't. Well, I'm glad we got that cleared up.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

julio i know i am risking turning this idiotic thread into some sort of half-assed political debate here, but: do you honestly think the only political action that matters is voting?

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

If she criticised him there would be lots of cynicism round here too

Actually, you couldn't be more wrong about that one Julio, she'd have shot up in my estimation exponentially - it would have been a genuinely brave and surprising thing to say whereas no-one's suprised or cares if some tit like Thom Yorke or Damon Albarn does it.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Dixie Chicks to thread!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing; it's a matter of thinking. She openly said she'd rather not. That is idiotic, and calling it so, is not misognystic in the least.

― David Allen, Monday, 8 September 2003 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

''Actually, you couldn't be more wrong about that one Julio, she'd have shot up in my estimation exponentially''

er, have you actually read the threads on some of the 'left' wing bands round here keith?

jess: no I don't. But she has always been a pop star first.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: imaginary misgynony vs actual condescension

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

What right wing opinions has Jaz Coleman spoke about?

― Rabid Rob, Monday, 8 September 2003 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing recently, although he's expressed some frankly bizarre conspiracy theories in some recent interviews.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

she has been doing the pop star thing all her life so is her opinion (that we shouldn't criticize bush) surprising?

she maybe wrong but an idiot?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps "idiot" is a relative term here. From the perspective of the left, she comes across as an unquestioning pawn (i.e. idiot), whereas if you were a hardline conservative, you might wish she was a bit more eloquent in her espousal, but generally think she was on the right track.

That said, however, I still think "idiot" is applicable due to her adherence to supporting "EVERY decision" by the President. That doesn't show any deep understanding or concern about specific issues, but rather a voluntary decision to let someone else sweat the hard stuff and not get involved...or even informed...at all.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

David Allen, OTM.

Oh, and Gang of Four album covers to thread.

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 8 September 2003 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

She should make out with Condi onstage

― Sam J. (samjeff), Monday, 8 September 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"me and tipper against the music"

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus god you people are actually arguing semantics of whether or not Britney is stupid or just all of her opinions are stupid=just name the board ILArguing and be done with it already.

More pix of Bush throwing dogs!

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

''just name the board ILArguing''

its taken you three years to figure that out? you must be stupid ;)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

More pix of Bush throwing dogs!

OTM.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Julio, you're a misogynist!!!!!

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

If Britney is an idiot does it change anything? Then let's move on.

― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I like candy bars
and baseball cards
and superstars
Grace Jones and a pack of Twix
and pack of Donruss '86

I like candy bars
and He-man
and motor cars
Skeletor and the Milky Way
and a rat-tat hot-rod Chevrolet

― Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 8 September 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

ally- and you're a pop star!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

what if Britney was being sarcastic? or at least making a deliberately inane response after the Dixie Chicks fiasco? she's a smart lady!

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.dianfossey.org/greatgorillarun/gorilla1_new.jpg

"STAND AND DELIVER!"

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

A winner is Alex!

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not sure that's a real gorilla

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

keep in mind that rather than expressing her deep-seated opinion on this issue she was just as likely expressing what she thought (right or no) was the safest, least prickly opinion possible... as i imagine after 10+ years of popstar grooming she has learned to. i would imagine it's almost a reflex at this point.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

expressing what she thought...

I think the point is that she wasn't really thinking anything. She's letting that genius George W Bush do her thinking for her.

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

he was the voice in her head quietly whispering 'put out to Justin, go on, it's okay, we can keep the charade up for another 2 years after'

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

she should have said "I think we are all in agreeance that we should just trust our President in every decision that he makes, and we should just support that."

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 8 September 2003 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think even Bush is capable of the intense evil that is Brit fucking Fred Durst, though.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

she was thinking abt giving the safest ans. and she gave that.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

she's v smart.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree with julio's first statement, at least.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 8 September 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Brit's statement is dumb at all ... I think Americans have the right to expect that our elected officials can handle situations and are more equipped to do the right things. Second-guessing is entirely an American thing, I understand. But we're also a republic, not an egalitarian society, and Britney at least understands that.

That said, surely you hope she's right in her adherence, though at $87 million and no international support, it's looking pretty f'n precarious.

― Chris O'Connor (Chris O'Connor), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

You missed a few zeroes there Chris.

― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

or just the common cold

― Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread is like a crap circus

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

"Honestly, I think we should just trust our President in every decision that he makes, and we should just support that."

vs.

"I think Americans have the right to expect that our elected officials can handle situations and are more equipped to do the right things. Second-guessing is entirely an American thing, I understand. But we're also a republic, not an egalitarian society, and Britney at least understands that."

?????

ro otm

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the real idiots here are the ones working at CNN. They don't have to put stupid bullsh!t on the air, you know, we have plenty of networks not masquerading as news channels that could have handled it.

― daria g (daria g), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

slow news year...

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Guess I did miss a few zeroes. Make that $87 billion!! :-)

― Chris O'Connor (Chris O'Connor), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno, but defending britney's sage political stance strikes me the same way as a guy who just went to a prostitute and talks about how he can tell she really felt something with him.

― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 02:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Girolamo so wins this thread

― David Allen, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I particularly hate this thread because it brings out and magnifies the misogyny, snobbery and envy which characterise ILx at its worst.

"Honestly, I think we should just trust our President in every decision that he makes, and we should just support that."

I don't see why this statement is idiotic. Bush was democratically elected, Florida chads or no Florida chads. That implies that for the period of his tenure in office the electorate have no alternative other than to trust him; otherwise they would not have elected him. If they do not trust him they have the opportunity to elect somebody else in next year's election. That's how democracy works. What problem does anyone have with this, exactly? What do any of you suggest should be done instead?

And I would incidentally point out that the virulent opinions expressed here about women, pop music and ordinary people in general are very much in keeping with extremist Republican thinking.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 07:51 (twenty-one years ago)

doesn't the quite high non-turnout in US elections represent the awesome power and political effectiveness of those "voters" implicitly banding together behind the following platform?:

"it is more intelligent to distrust the machineries of democracy as they currently function"

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Upon a wave of such "intelligent" distrust, Bush surfed into Pennsylvania Avenue and thence to Basra.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

exactly marcello

(sorry, i wrote my question in the most contorted order possible, i haven't had enough coffee yet)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush was democratically elected, .... That implies that for the period of his tenure in office the electorate have no alternative other than to trust him...

That's bullshit. Any elected official needs to get feedback from the public. We don't just elect them and forget about it until the next election.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Elected officials do not require feedback from the public, only votes. Or: you get what you (don't) vote for.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck that shit. They can't govern in a vacuum.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

in a system of representational democracy, officials are put in office to act as they think fit — ie within a pre-agreed constitutional framework of rules they must not break, we cede TOTAL authority to them

the mechanism of feedback is the threat of not being re-elected
the sanction (should they break the rules) is not being re-elected

it's up to them whether they slavishly chase public opinion or ignore it

marcello is quite correct in stating that absolute trust in the elected official is no more ridiculous than absolute trust in the system: the alternative — this is probably actually happening on a widespread scale in the US and actually has done on and off since it was founded — is a practice of "i only have to obey the laws set in place by the officials *i* have voted for"

once this practice reaches a certain critical mass, the result will be civil war => britney's statement *in itself* is no more absurd than the statement "i prefer the system as it stands to civil war"

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Civil war of course would lead us back to the Baghdad conundrum anyway - "OK, we've got rid of him, what do we put in his place?"

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:11 (twenty-one years ago)

there are actually two different meanings of the word "trust" being used in this thread:

i. "i trust [x]" meaning "i believe [x] has no anti-democratic hidden agenda"
ii. "i trust [x]" meaning "whatever [x]'s hidden agenda, i trust that the checks and balances within the system will either neutralise them , or exploit/detourne them to the benefit of the polity"

the problem with i. is that for a democracy to operate, it requires that all participants be angels at all time
ii. is certainly a lot closer to the beliefs held by those who set the US system running

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

=> britney = jefferson QED!!!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

to be fair to the formal principal standing behind the anti-britnista posters, the US constitution is actually set up with a "TS: "secession as default option" vs "secession as by definiion ruled out" zone built into it (this is what the actual real civil war was about, when a.lincoln enforced the "I AM ELECTED = I HAVE TOTAL AUTHORITY" position

(=> britney = pro-lincoln here)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

the mechanism of feedback is the threat of not being re-elected
the sanction (should they break the rules) is not being re-elected

OK - I'll agree with that .. I certainly don't mean that the President MUST listen to feedback from the public .. But only if he wants to be successful. That doesn't need to be "slavishly chasing public opinion" - it means listening to what the public has to say. It doesn't mean changing your principles or not doing what you think is right - it means considering other points of view and being open-minded enough to accept that you may not have thought of everything.

Fucking Republican absolutists.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

for sure, but pioneer of Republican absolutism = lincoln

(off topic a bit possibly: isn't what's happening in iraq a continuation of the principle of sherman's drive to the sea?)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Trick area tho Dave225. If "listening to the public has to say" doesn't AUTOMATICALLY lead to be seen to have done so then ppl get equally pissed off because in the absence of proof ppl still feel they are being subjected to totalitarianism

― dave q, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Honestly, I think we should just trust our President in every decision that he makes, and we should just support that.

Just to bring it back to Earth... Even GWB seems to have admitted that we need UN support in the postwar. If he had listened to what his critics (i.e. some of Congress) were saying 6 months ago, the decision would have been made earlier. So - not to say that GWB is an ass for not listening to them .. but just that there was merit in their opinion. And if everyone just sits back and "lets the president do his job" - he's going to get burned repeatedly.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

As far as I can tell Britney is only saying what most other Americans would say - but then this is the country where 70% of the population think Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

claim: person A is stupid bcz they said [STATEMENT X]
refutation: [STATEMENT X] is in itself intellectually respectable in [CONTEXT P]
revised claim: yes but we know person A was not in [CONTEXT P] bcz as we all already know they are fartoo stupid to know about this

ts: "actually discussing politics" vs "exploitation of quasi-radical stances to provide us with an excuse for sneering at people thereby excusing ourselves from ever having to engage with the actual discussion of politics"

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Britney Spears is possibly not the best fulcrum around which to discuss politics though.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

nick s otm; it's a circular argument so it doesn't rest on a fulcrum

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think people who are espouse right wing views are necessarily stupid at all - my own feelings are that they are more akin to inhuman perverts

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Britney Spears is FARToo Stupid! That's a new one: fartoo. She's a fartoo great singer also!

Ha!

.. and yeah - this is kind of out of hand - the point was, what does Britney Spears know about politics and why was she on Crossfire?

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)

that's still a cop out, unless you want to dispense with democracy and establish a dicatatorship of the Micro-Class of the Enlightened

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Britney Spears may quite possibly have more insight than me, you, or anyone else who hasn't come into contact with the range of individuals and situations she has, and why would any opinion of hers not be at least partly the result of the accumulation of her own experience?

― dave q, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post really, but the point is general

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Not that she doesn't have the right to speak .. just that who cares what she has to say?

"....accumulation of her own experience? "

..She's a 22 year old pop star? It's possible that she's far more intelligent than I give her credit for - but she has yet to convince me of it.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish you fucking liberals would fuck off and die.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't those democracy inventin Greeks run things kinda like that, Mark?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

'just who cares what she has to say'? But that's a Bush-like attitude then! Really, does her opinion not interest you at ALL, even on a vague-distracted-curiosity level? Man, how interesting does somebody have to be to get your attention? ('They' obv. substitute 'rich' for 'interesting'!)

― dave q, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

great platform dadrock!! blimey i wonder who's been running on the "anti-liberal" ticket recently?

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

''It's possible that she's far more intelligent than I give her credit for - but she has yet to convince me of it.''

why should she convince you or anybody?

keith- go outside, have a smoke and listen to some whitehouse on yr walkman.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't agree with Britney because I don't think you should trust anybody just because; democracy demands constant attention from the electorate, surely? The price of freedom and all that.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

If you don't trust anybody then you don't vote for anybody and anybody gets in anyway.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

thing is nick, if you take that position, then you probably have to dispense with representative democracy as it's currently structured: voting every so many years is designed to let the electorate opt out of constant responsibility and vigilance

since we're on-line it's not very surprising that lots of us share a kind of vague ideal of the running "electronic town-hall" referendum as a better model — where "being informed" arises from this kind of argument and is (supposedly) not corrupted by mediation

but on-line contains its own built-in minority, and i think its "informed" is very class-bound

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

But this is where the problem lies. Civilisation depends on trust = 99% of people believing 'just because'. In extremis, if you despitely need surgery you're not going to be on the operating table demanding the guy's med school transcripts before going under, right? Blind faith plays quite an important role in life but ppl just disagree on where to put it, depending on where they're at I suppose

― dave q, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post w/ mark s and dave q

I trust some people and I voted and who I voted for got in, at the last local elections and at the last general election too. I'm just saying nobody should be trusted just because, especially if that just because is predicated on them already being in power; ie. bowing to the status quo because it's easier. Britney's in a position of influence over a lot of people, particularly young people; the statement accredited to her above doesn't strike me as encouraging anything but revererence without engagement, which is one side of apathy.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

What's the roll of opinion polls then, mark? Surely they function as a kind of in-progress stop-check for government, an example of constant critique and vigilance, even if it's only half-hearted?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Healthy skepticism.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

If Britney or Justin were revealed to be Republicans it would neither surprise nor bother me. But this stinks of the micro-Enlightenment refrain of "we know better than you subscribe to what we believe else you're an idiot" which is no better than Clear Channel de-playlisting the Dixie Chicks.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

*automatic* refusal of all trust is i think pretty hobbesian: ie next step = the war of all against all

it doesn't much surprise me that this is a bottom-line position across a wide range of political stances, as the war of all against all is an underlying position in free market capitalism, and as the dominant social structure this carries across into and shapes many of its so-called opponents (from individualist anarchism to revenant stalinism)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

you should reserve that scepticism for the system as a whole, nick!! you can't have it both ways: either a dud result (from yr point of view) CAN be corrected next election (= system as a whole OK) or it CAN'T (you needa new system)

and if you're serious about your doubts — which your argument about *constant* vigilance suggests — then you should be exploring the potential good and bad of other systems and how to get to them

i asked a q. on ile ages ago about whether written constitutions were inherently imperialist, and hardly anyone answered: i should have put it on a britney thread!! who knew!!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"exploring" is a bit weak: you should be out there ORGANISING!!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

But this stinks of the micro-Enlightenment refrain of "we know better than you subscribe to what we believe else you're an idiot"

That is so untrue. No one has said that everyone has to subscribe to what we belive. We're arguing just the opposite - form your own opinion. Even if it's exactly the same as the President's. But make it YOUR opinion - don't just adopt his.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"exploring" is a bit weak: you should be out there ORGANISING!!

If I had the time, brain, and committment, mark s.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

great platform dadrock!! blimey i wonder who's been running on the "anti-liberal" ticket recently?

Mark - Britain is run by liberals like Blair and Brown, that's the problem. That kind of liberal is bad enough but the ones who tie themselves in PC knots over someone calling Britney an idiot are equally as reprehensible, if more laughable.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

More laughable than someone tying themselves in useless knots over whether Derek Bailey has "progressed," no doubt.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Who is in "knots" Marcello? My God, get a friggin' life

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

It's all good fun Marcello, why else would we all do it?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

To get, or retain, a life, perhaps?

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Me and Derek are like that

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Years of observing people using this line as code for "I will never respect you as long as you disagree with me" to thread.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

"exploitation of quasi-radical stances to provide us with an excuse for sneering at people thereby excusing ourselves from ever having to engage with the actual discussion of politics" = political correctness

which is why i was having a go at it on this thread, daddio my honey

you can call britney whatever names you like: just don't hide behind big political claims when you do, if you want us to take your POLITICS seriously

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark OTM.

Marcello, clearly you are a better judge of what constitutes a successful instigation than I am. *bows*

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah surely the fact is if it was iggy pop that said this he'd have become radical in his mad old age, rather than being a ditzy bimbo etc etc. ie this is very little to do with politics and alot to do with pop.

also there are traces of liberal snobbery here. not to the extent some are alleging though.

this thread annoys me like the hmv book section

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

No, Iggy Pop's always been a Republican (see his interview in Morley's Ask, if you can find a copy: "I am a CONSERVATIVE!").

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

(also "rock the vote" = "trust the system"!!)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't know that but the point stands I guess, I must look for a copy of Ask, enjoying Words and Music no end.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely "Rock The Vote" = "Try Using The System Before You Complain About It, You Lazy, Spoiled and Ungrateful Slugs"? Or is that just me?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to know where you got that notion Dan.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

that's just you dan: as everyone knows iggy has always loved and respected his audiences!!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Not only is Britney stupid but she's ugly too - how d'ya like them apples.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to know where you got that notion Dan.

I think the word I'm looking for here is "projection".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Dadaismus Calum with a Wire hat on?

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

you can call britney whatever names you like: just don't hide behind big political claims when you do, if you want us to take your POLITICS seriously

Mark, why would I or Britney or anyone care if you took our politics seriously or not? Given that you are the world's champion at jumping to conclusions, I mean.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

my joke flew by like a stealth bomber in the night

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

It is Calum, isn't it? Where did I put those Spice Girls pictures?

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Ronan, I got it right after I hit "Submit". Today is Dan Is Slow Day.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

"Rock The Vote" = "Try Using The System Before You Complain About It, You Lazy, Spoiled and Ungrateful Slugs"

The general degree of faith in the American electoral system continues to shock and amaze me

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope I don't detect any snobbishness and elitism towards Calum there Marcello - granted that envy is pretty unlikely

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

J0hn, I think part of the issue is that voter turnout is so low that there isn't a strong enough case to say that the electoral college system is completely broken and outdated. That's a different issue from whether the system is actually broken and outdated.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope this thread gets to be as long as the Dave Matthews thread. And endless circle of stubborn pontificating.

And, Dan, I promise to let you have the 1000th post this time.

And even though I disagree with all of you and think you're being twats, I still value reading your opinions - and sometimes even bend mine a little because of yours.. (So you can shove your Years of observing people using this line as code for "I will never respect you as long as you disagree with me" to thread. ;-) )

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave, my point was more that I find it very difficult to believe people when they say things like that rather than accusing you of being a DIRTY DIRTY LIAR!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh. OK, sorry I called you a twat then, ol' pal.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

''Is Dadaismus Calum with a Wire hat on?''

wire t-shirt, more like ;) those are pretty ace but I haven't got one.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Everyone's talking about the "trust" part, but what about the "support" aspect?

― Kerry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

THIS THREAD IS LOVE

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I just want to say that I got your joke, Ronan, and it was quite funny.

The only thing that actively annoys me in this thread is the misogyny claim! Why are you all throwing that in there, wtf? There's more than enough evidence that this board thinks Fred Durst is a retarded child as well, so it's all love here.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay Ally!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Go Ally! Go Kearney! Go Ally! Go Kearney!

I just don't like extraneous arguments, I mean honestly now.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

lots of killing joke racist bullshit too!!!!!!!!!

― sub-trifean at best (jdesouza), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Another thought: Despite the fact that I suspect anyone who expresses support for President Bush to be somewhat of a FUCKING MORON, I don't necessarily bemoan anyone's right to express their political opinions, so long as they express them with some degree of thought/insight/evidence to suggest an informed examination of the facts. Britney's statement....and let me dust it off and wheel it out one more time....

"Honestly, I think we should just trust our President in every decision that he makes, and we should just support that."

.....just doesn't suggest that she's spent any time familiarizing herself with the topic at hand. Rather, it says to me that she's perfectly happy tow whatever line is handed to her in the interests of maintaining face and insuring a controversy-free career trajectory.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

(picture of Ginger Spice here)

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

lots of killing joke racist bullshit too!!!!!!!!!

I know that's a joke (no pun intended), but I'm tired of seeing "racist" appear in conjunction with Killing Joke. Say what you want about me, but don't drag the Joke into it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

THE FACT THAT BUSH IS PRESIDENT IS COMPLETELY INCIDENTAL TO THE MEAT OF BRITNEY'S STATEMENT.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, she doesn't mention Bush at all--it's completely a blind statement of "respect" for authority. "He is the leader ergo we should listen".

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

yes i imagine she would have made the same statement if gore (or whomever) were president. of course there's no way to know for sure save for stalking her and repeatedly asking her opinion on sundry specific political issues. i nominate marcello.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I nominate Alex!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

You could send both of them.

http://www.paarsarg.de/bilder/common/kunden006.jpg

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

http://kclibrary.nhmccd.edu/bert.jpg
(Only with two Berts.)

(You really don't want to know what Google Image search returns as the top search result for "Bert & Ernie", especially if you are at work.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.infoideas.net/britney/americangirl/britney_americangirl2.gif

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

So, of course I looked.

― Kerry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, the search that worked for me was "Bert Ernie" (not in quotes), for those of you who want to try it at home.

― Kerry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I nominate Killing Joke.

http://killing-joke.com/band88unclesam2.JPG

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus god why did I look.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"C is for 'cookie', it's good enough for me"

― dave q, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha it's like our own little version of "The Ring".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that really Roger Ebert?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry to beat the dead-horse executive branch isue, but I have to repeat, as far the

Bush was democratically elected, Florida chads or no Florida chads

thing goes:

1) As pointed out upthread, it's a republican democracy--so not exactly, even in a routine year.
2) "Democratically elected" = won popular vote = Gore.
3) The judicial branch selected our 43rd president.

Which is all also kinda interesting if you buy into the (perhaps wishful) framing of the pres. as the champion of the people against little-r republican tyranny; according to this school he really is supposed to be more specifically responsive to, concerned with their welfare.

But I'm at a complete loss as to how to rebut the fiendish "chads or no chads" argument.

PS How come nobody mentioned Britney's gum? Her own dumb fault but the endless close-up was pretty cheap.

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree with ronan.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Strange world.

Rather than stop at just the Bert & Ernie pic, I plundered forth into the master "don't blow" website (which has a lot of strange links on it... like the one advertising Japanese Girlfart Videos), and found this, which ties directly into the main topic.

Sure backed into that one, huh?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I cant find anything on google. Could someone kindly link me please? Dunno what i'm looking for.

― Rhonda, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

You've got to do the search at the image search engine. And I do mean you've got to.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

yknow this thread would be the perfect introduction to ilx: alex going off on something, marcello being the contrarian, mark diverting it into a debate about the civil war and the nature of democracy, ally being ally, dan being dan, some guy being annoying, bush, britney, ernie and bert, roger ebert, someone saying "oh god why did i look at that," and finally me making some dumb meta-comment about it. we should put it in the FAQ, it's got everything!

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

It hasn't got Geir.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

But, I mean, yeah... aside from that.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

It needs Gareth going off drunkenly on the lack of love around here, and then maybe someone posting "twwwwoooo weeeeeeeks" and then Miccio referencing Good CHarlotte, then it'd have everything ever.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 03:06 (twenty-one years ago)

you forgot my snappy one liner :(

― the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sorry :(

And also Blount saying jess is otm :(

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread seems to be, oddly enough, Ned free. Certainly not normal.

And I've just posted in it, which makes it highly atypical as well.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been reading it but wasn't much compelled to post.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay folks, we can FAQ this one up! Admins, lock it up for posterity!

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

jess is OTM.

― James Blount (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

what did he say? i can't be assed scrolling up

― the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Frankly, I like this quote from this article far better:

"Like, 'Early Morning' is basically talking about just going out and feeling bad the next day, and 'Touch of My Hand' is about, you know, touch of my hand," she continued

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

ned, you mysogynist!

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh good grief, I refuse to get drawn in (even as a joke! ;-)). The quote says nothing about tone but I have faith she was saying it with a laugh or roll of the eyes.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 05:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps her eyes were rolling back into her head.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha! Colin wins the whole thread.

― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 05:42 (twenty-one years ago)

misogynyst?

mysogynist?

misogynist?

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Option # 3, I think.

― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 07:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"woman-hata" is easier to spell.

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 07:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you know there was no word equivalent to misogyny to denote hatred of men? Oh hand on, there is. Misandry.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 07:28 (twenty-one years ago)

hand on WHAT?!

― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 07:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, she doesn't mention Bush at all--it's completely a blind statement of "respect" for authority. "He is the leader ergo we should listen".

..That or, she's not sure who the president is.

"Bert Ernie" - I had the "safe" filter turned on and still got an eyefull .. I hope there isn't a worse picture in the hard-core database.

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Having looked at the full picture, it isn't as bad as I thought it was but it was still sufficiently bad that I wouldn't look at it at work. All I can say is Bert & Ernie know how to PARTY; Ben Affleck could learn a thing or two.

Can we change the meaning of "misogynist" to mean "one who makes women out of a Japanese soup"?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I have been thinking that EVERY TIME I READ THE WORD!!!!!!!!! "Hehe he said 'miso'."

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm confused... What's wrong with Britney? She's soooo HOT!
YEA! Britney! YEA! I GOT MAIL! I GOT MAIL! VOTE FOR BUSH! YEA! WAR! YEA!

― Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: "woman-hata" vs "woman-hat"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Was amateurist trying to summon a misogynist?

― David. (Cozen), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I just think it's funny that CNN analysts are asking pop stars their opinions on policy.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

She's on the cover of Rolling Stone again.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Despite his conspicuous prior absence, Ned actually confirmed Justyn's point by posting immediately (lemme check the timestamps .. ok, 2 minutes) after Matt mentioned him.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Why are mark s and Marcello arguing that a republican form of government is justification for an unengaged and uninformed electorate?

Why are Bert and Ernie doing that? Dear lord!

― J (Jay), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

you wouldn't

― Felcher (Felcher), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

and on an unrelated note, i'd like to inform the board that Allen Toussaint gave a lecture to my class yesterday, and when i raised my hand to ask him a question, he called on me and mistook me for a woman (only for a brief moment, he immediately corrected himself and said "sorry young gentleman"). damn, that made my day.

― Felcher (Felcher), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear lord, this thread! (temples throb)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

("calum in a wire hat" haha)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

you all said Good Charlotte were asshats. TURNS OUT THEY'RE JIMMY HATS!

(for Ally!)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Are Good Charlotte the Jocelyn Elderses of rock?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

Is anyone else watching Britney on Dateline NBC?

― Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Friday, 16 June 2006 03:33 (nineteen years ago)

should i be

― anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 16 June 2006 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

She's gonna cry about paparazzi in the next segment.

― Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Friday, 16 June 2006 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

"Mommy mistakes"

― Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Friday, 16 June 2006 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

Eh, this was pretty boring.
They showed that video of her almost dropping her baby with a drink in her other hand. She slipped on some "cobblestones". Showed the other "controversial" pics of her driving with her baby on her lap, which she explained as "country" and besides she was in a hurry (to get away from paparazzi), and the one with the car seat facing the wrong way. She broke down when Matt Lauer asked "What do you think it will take for the paparazzi to leave you alone? Is that your greatest wish?"

She said she's not going to record any more music for another year or two.

― Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Friday, 16 June 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thesuperficial.com/images/2006/06/britney-spears-matt-lauer.jpg

― Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Friday, 16 June 2006 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/7142/country.jpg

― A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Friday, 16 June 2006 04:37 (nineteen years ago)

whoa!

http://www.march.force9.co.uk/britney/pictures/pic2.jpg
http://www.hollywoodrag.com/images/uploads/britney_fat_thumb.jpg

not that i've aged much better, mind.

― A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Friday, 16 June 2006 04:41 (nineteen years ago)

I think she's allowed a double chin being 6 months pregnant.

― Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Friday, 16 June 2006 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

mmmokay. still, i've never seen pregnancy do ^that^ to someone. i actually makes me sad. like i don't want brintney #1 to see brintney #2.

― A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Friday, 16 June 2006 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

I thought she looked a bit like Liza Minnelli in the pic that I posted.

― Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Friday, 16 June 2006 05:07 (nineteen years ago)

Damn, it looks like as far as looks, she's heading down the same road as Courtney Love!

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 16 June 2006 05:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://netmode.vietnamnet.vn/dataimages/original/images467915_CourtneyLove.jpg

― Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Friday, 16 June 2006 05:27 (nineteen years ago)

GAAAA!! Oh dear GOD!!

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 16 June 2006 05:47 (nineteen years ago)

She said she's not going to record any more music for another year or two.

Maybe her label will wise up, have her lose weight and just make music videos from now on. Perhaps the eventual merger of digital music and television will allow men to watch the quasi-porn videos from pop stars but let them sync it with other music they would rather listen to while they masturbate. I don't want to pitch this invention but I'll take the money from it.

― Cunga (Cunga), Friday, 16 June 2006 06:14 (nineteen years ago)

rubbish

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 16 June 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

Her career is pretty much over, isn't it?

― darin (darin), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

great minds at work in this thread

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

I love pop as much as the next guy, but Britney waiting "a few years" to make music = career suicide.

― darin (darin), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Please tell me that Courtney Love pic has been photoshopped.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Britney could disappear for two or three years and re-emerge as Faith Hill.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Does the world really need more music from Britney Spears? Give the spotlight to someone new. She's old news.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

yes, she should stick to the political punditry.

― DAVE, for #1 Hits of yesterday and today! (dave225.3), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

what a bizarre person to be a celebrity. she isn't even remotely talented, and she's incredibly stupid.

oh. wait. yeah.

― Emily B (Emily B), Saturday, 17 June 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

and yet, i heart 'toxic'. still dance around in my pajamas to it.

― Emily B (Emily B), Saturday, 17 June 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

i kind of like her new double-chin, deranged aviator spex look.

― lf (lfam), Saturday, 17 June 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

She just needs a cigarette holder and a fishing hat.

― Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Saturday, 17 June 2006 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

Let's be honest here -- we ALL need that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 June 2006 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

yes the courtney has been photoshopped...remember elvis had 3 distinct careers, this is the end of britneys first, we can still have the comeback special followed by our lady of sorrows/las vegas division

― anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 17 June 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

She's going goth:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/entertainment/2006-06/23/xin_270603231446257304311.jpg

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 24 June 2006 02:53 (eighteen years ago)

that's a slight improvement over the fat & trashy look she's been sporting of late (and, yes, i know she's preggers, but i think the flab is more than just the critter she's carrying)

― timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 24 June 2006 02:57 (eighteen years ago)

remember elvis had 3 distinct careers, this is the end of britneys first, we can still have the comeback special followed by our lady of sorrows/las vegas division

I can't wait for her "Suspicious Minds."

And her "dead-on-a-toilet" phase, as described in Wayne's World.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 24 June 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

I'm going to hold off on Britney fat jokes until at least six months to a year after she's done having babies.

― Marmot 4-Tay: forth-coming, my child. forth-coming most righteous champion (mar, Saturday, 24 June 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago)

So you're holding off for a long time then?

― Jimmy Mod: NOIZE BOARD GRIL COMPARISON ANALYST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 25 June 2006 00:14 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno, I just think there's no challenge in making fat jokes about a pregnant (or recently pregnant) woman.

― Marmot 4-Tay: forth-coming, my child. forth-coming most righteous champion (mar, Sunday, 25 June 2006 00:19 (eighteen years ago)

fifteen years pass...

I can’t believe the right has not seized upon a narrative that Britney’s rights were taken away because she gave a pro-bush interview to tucker

― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 18 July 2021 20:28 (three years ago)

I doubt today’s “right” is looking to pull Bush/Iraq out of the memory hole (or dredge up a Britney comment no one remembers)

― aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Sunday, 18 July 2021 21:18 (three years ago)

Bush dropped a dog on its head? I don't remember that..

― Mark G, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 09:09 (three years ago)

Neither does the dog :(

― Noel Emits, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 09:16 (three years ago)

Oof this thread title

― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Friday, 23 July 2021 00:11 (three years ago)

Alex In NYC very much in character.

― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 23 July 2021 10:04 (three years ago)

Yeah, somehow I've only noticed this thread title today and was a bit... startled !

― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 23 July 2021 12:20 (three years ago)

Why the fuck is this bumped instead of 100 million other britney threads

― treeship., Friday, 23 July 2021 12:32 (three years ago)

not to be all schoolmarmish but come on

― treeship., Friday, 23 July 2021 12:48 (three years ago)

it would be so funny if we freed britney and she immediately endorsed trump for the next election
— 𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗲𝗯 𝗵𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗼𝗻 (@calebsaysthings) July 23, 2021

― akm, Friday, 23 July 2021 13:35 (three years ago)

toQic

― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 23 July 2021 13:44 (three years ago)

It was how I felt then, and it's how I feel now. Do I feel bad about her conservatorship situation? Sure, but that doesn't mean I suddenly think she's eligible for Mensa membership.

― Alex in NYC, Monday, 26 July 2021 13:42 (three years ago)

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