Is there one artist/album that everybody on ILM likes?

Anyway I don't really dislike any of them, and "Folsom Prison Blues" and "Ring Of Fire" are even kind of cool, so OK, I am not going to rule Mr. Cash out :-)

Greediest rock'n'roll album ever maybe. I find that although all I own of the Beatles are the virtually unlistened to red and blue anthologies, there is far too much Beatles present.

I also want to know who the fuck 'Taco' is. What a retarded name for someone who is not a taco.

My vote goes to the Fall. From pop to rap to rock to challenging electronica, there's nowhere they haven't been and done it well.

This has clearly brightened my morning

World Domination Enterprises - Classic or Classic?

So, "World Domination Enterprises" basically boil down into

1) They were great
or
2) I don't know them apart from "asbestos lead asbestos" which was great.

OK I'll add one more
3) Don't know em at all.

You can hear both of my names - in fact you can hear the middle one (it's Peter) too if you like.

I can't go for that (ah aa-aah) no can do!

Taco "vaguely creepy" for a Killing Joke fan?!

Though I love a handful of his songs, I never liked Johnny Cash's voice much. It's really fucking ponderous and leaden, what can I say?

I forget if I've ever actually heard a Nina Simone song.

I do like "Copacabana."

ABBA? C'mon, Abba.

Sinatra?

Some sixties/seventies soul band, maybe? Do you like The Staple Singers, Geir? Or Isley Brothers?

I do, however, categorically LOVE "I'm Only Sleeping".

who hates pixies?

Can! everyone likes Can! rock people, dance people, avant whatsit people, nurse with wound people, rap people. everyone! The Lex though...he is always the fly in the ointment...but if he is truly a balearic whatever fan then he must like Can too!

Wasn't the answer to this determined to be XTC ca. 2004?

pretty sure the answer was/is 20 jazz funk greats by throbbing gristle.

yeah, it's got something for everybody

lol

i was serious!

Erm.... I never really got into Can. I do love "Cool In The Pool"-era Czukay though.

Can we all like Can?

i can like Can but i can't like the name:Can.it's boring.

still lol

i first put some can albums into my itunes in 2006, when i was staying at a friend's house. i didn't get round to listening to them until january, when i was ill. i asked twitter which one i'd like best and twitter almost unanimously replied "future days". indeed i did like it, better than tago mago and ege bamyasi, though it's not like my mind was blown or anything. then a few weeks later my hard drive died and i no longer own any of those albums and haven't been arsed redownloading them.

im sure it's the beatles.

::lowers ear to the ground to listen for sarahel's footsteps::

People who insist that they hate the Beatles - C or D?

i fucking hate the beatles

xtc isnt the answer,too

i don't know if i hate the beatles or hate people liking the beatles

both, more than enough hate to spare

well, the beatles just don't have the same universal appeal as throbbing gristle

a world where TG have the space in the cultural consciousness that the baetles have in ours wd be a vastly improved world

I can't stand xtc, but I get Mayor of Simpleton stuck in my head maybe once a month.

ok i am joking a bit about 20 Jazz-Funk Greats

i don't expect everyone to "like" madonna/prince/michael jackson but i would be deeply suspicious of anyone who couldn't pick at least a couple of songs from the discography of each that they enjoyed a lot

enjoyed

Otis Redding...

Brian Eno? (refined to one album: Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy)

any sane person knows this question has no real answer, but the least laughable ones would be in the vein of otis, aretha, etc.

i'm sure you'd like the beatles if you listened to them, lex!

Does anyone hate Miles Davis? Is it even possible to hate Miles Davis? I can see not being into certain eras of his career, but I've never encountered anyone (in person, in print, online) who dismissed his entire oeuvre.

not hating doesn't equal liking

yeah i think lex's problem is that he lives in a country where you don't get that many opportunities to listen to the beatles

Wire. But they don't love you back.

okay, the lex likes can enough for me! dog latin you just have to listen to can now. you like them now! your time has come.

The Supremes

I still think the answer should be TACO

that's not even the food everybody on ILE likes

also dog latin try Flow Motion. and Future Days.

tacos should be the food that everyone everywhere likes. cuz you can put anything in a taco. plus hard/soft shell option gives you two delivery system options.

i can't imagine who wouldn't like a taco

basically, Can have an album for every temperament.

Never ran into anyone that didn't like Big Star. Some that thought that they're overrated, yes, but nobody who flat-out dislikes them.

Can, "Can Can" is my favorite Can song to not google.

I think Can is a good choice.

yeah i think lex's problem is that he lives in a country where you don't get that many opportunities to listen to the beatles

― some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 14:44 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You really don't hear the Beatles get played very much in the UK.

I think what puts a lot of people off the Beatles is an image of the Beatles their parents' generation listened to. Suits and boots and moptops and "woohs" and girlies screaming followed by some useless hippie shit followed by Oasis stamping a horrible dadrock boot into the face of humanity forever. Very often the "idea" of a band is much worse than the actual music. There's always some truth to the idea, but often that's the surface-level media interpretation of the band. Take ABBA, for example - so much extraordinary bumph surrounding that band that it's often easy to forget they wrote absolutely remarkable songs.

i don't really love Can. sorry :(

But you think they're ok? Not horrible?

but do you LIKE at least some can. we can live with that.

yeah, x-post

i'm so indifferent to them that even 'like' may be too strong a word.

how about diana ross? feel like everyone loves her, no?

hahahahahahaha

no

and we can help you like them too cuz there might be an album you haven't heard that would fit your temperament.

x-post

plz introduce me to can's singer-songwriter folk album?

The answer is surely Bela Bartok

just think at the very least "Yeah, that one song is pretty good I guess"?
I have a loose definition of "like" because this is a pretty tall order

Mordy are you saying you only like singer-songwriter folk?

Also is Joni a plausible answer here?

I once ate breakfast in a cafe with Damo Suzuki once. He ordered chicken and white wine. /braggingboutkrautrockbreakfastsyeah?

once

i'm pretty sure i've seen ppl on ilx dislike joni. and i don't only like singer-songwriter folk, but scott said he can help me find an album that fits my temperament so we might as well shoot for the likeliest genre

The answer: Toto

joni doesn't really do too much for me. I find her a bit wispy and grating.

I do not love Joni either. Just never connected with her, but maybe I haven't given her a fair chance.

the thing about can - i think - is that obv they would be much beloved on ilx since we're clearly in this period where 1980s and proto-80s music is most loved decade of music on ilx. cf New Order being at the top of ilx last.fm list forever. but not all of us love 80s music...

la lechera, you should pay attention when i artist poll her coming up sometime in the future! xp

I will. I feel like I haven't heard the right Joni because I was barraged with college roommates (plural!) who listened to Blue on repeat for like MONTHS. It was torture. Moody English majors bleeeeeeeh.

can aren't really 80's music though...

proto

Who's still up for getting knocked down?

FMac? Meh.
DRoss? Noh.
Astral Weeks? Overrated.

Can? Yum.

mordy, what 60's and 70's rock do you like? we'll start from there.

shd i give up FP for lent yes/no?

that is too much to list... give me a specific year or range of 2-3 years maybe? xp

68-72?

kraftwerk?

i mean i would think it would be kind of hard to be indifferent about albums like monster movie or soundtracks but i'm not taking anything for granted here...

kraftwerk do hit a lot of buttons too...

haha, literally!

Roxy Music

The answer to this thread is not an artist but a song, and the song is I Want You Back by The Jackson 5. No one dislikes it.

Donna Summer

T-minus 20 seconds until I am proven to be a cretin.

It's not an artist or an album though.

Eric H. had a hilariously venemous attitude toward "I Want You Back" in the recent Jacksons tracks poll

De La Soul

I didn't see Eric H's venom; why? How? It's delirious!

no idea, dude

Who doesn't like Roxy Music?

Plenty of people, I'm sure.

who doesn't like roxy music? give it a minute...

Groove Is In The Heart? Wichita Lineman? I'm convinced the only thing you could find that EVERYONE on here likes would be one single song, and even that won't happen.

Who the fuck doesn't like Wichita Lineman and Groove Is In The Heart?

stuff i'm in love with from 68-72: Beatles, Bob Dylan, Danny Ben-Israel, Johnny Cash, Joni Mitchell, Kinks, Leonard Cohen, Pentangle, Rolling Stones, Simon and Garfunkel, Van Morrison, Zombies, Bridget St John, Jefferson Airplane, Black Sabbath, Cat Stevens, Linda Perhacs, Neil Young, Carole King, David Bowie, Dolly Parton, Judee Sill,
stuff i like a significant amount from same range: james taylor, elyse weinberg byrds, ccr, cs&n, dusty springfield, fairport convention, led zeppelin, grateful dead, joy of cooking, miles davis, stooges, susan christie, karen dalton, marvin gaye, serge gainsbourg, velvet underground, the who, magic carpet, mellow candle

this is just from scanning whatever is in my iTunes. i'm sure there's stuff i'm missing. for some of them, the specific albums/songs i love might be relevant so feel free to unpack this however...

some distinction should probably be drawn between acts that almost everybody has already heard and has formed an opinion about, and less universal acts who seem to be only discussed or brought up by the already converted

Who the fuck doesn't like Wichita Lineman and Groove Is In The Heart?

Frickin' HATE "Groove Is In The Heart". So - me. I'm down with "Wichita Lineman" though.

OK, tell you what, let's remove artists from that list on the basis of 'positive like'

Beatles, Bob Dylan, Kinks, Rolling Stones, Simon and Garfunkel, Zombies, Black Sabbath, David Bowie, dusty springfield, fairport convention, stooges, marvin gaye, serge gainsbourg, velvet underground, the who

Thre removed, I either 'don't like enough' or 'haven't actually got any records by, so in all conscience cant claim..."

okay if you like all that then you need to re-investigate monster movie or soundtracks. i dunno, all Can from 68-72 should be heard if you like all that.

x-post

What Can album should I listen to? I think I've only heard Tago Mago and it was just, well... I couldn't get into it.

Monster Movie.

Or, "Ege Bam Yasi"

Future Days

if you don't dig Tago Mago i wdn't bother going backwards i'd go forward into the lusher groovier stuff

Ege Bamyasi!!

But Tago Mago deserves another chance.

future days or flow motion for techno fans.

fela kuti maybe?

Can albums are mastered quietly but have an incredible depth of sound. Do "Tago Mago" again, skip "Paperhouse" and turn it up.

hasn't al green come up in this discussion before?

I can't believe this is a conversation again ha
I thought I won this argument with N Simone last time, WRONG

love can so much. fela kuti fans can get into can too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COIUNy-NgW0&feature=related

actually even better for afro-beat fans...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuvlTSRAmlI

Motorhead

Does anyone dislike I Feel Love?

the thing about can - i think - is that obv they would be much beloved on ilx since we're clearly in this period where 1980s and proto-80s music is most loved decade of music on ilx. cf New Order being at the top of ilx last.fm list forever. but not all of us love 80s music...

― Mordy, Monday, March 5, 2012 3:04 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

WTF Mordy? In what universe are Can "80s music"?

lol @ the idea that 80s music is any more beloved on ilx 'in this period' than at any point in the past

xp "proto"

No, Mordy, that is still completely WTF. Show your working.

also, i was contrasting 'this period' to the future one where the young ppl take over and throw away all the new order albums

xp like every post-punk band in the 80s cited them as a major influence?

lol at anybody thinking the thread-starter would like Can

a) Cite your sources.
b) Did any of them sound anything like Can?
c) Can are about the 70s-est band I can think of.
d) I mean, look at them! They're massive fucking hippies!

[Siouxsie and the Banshees released their debut album, The Scream, in November 1978. Nick Kent of NME said of the record: "the band sounds like some unique hybrid of the Velvet Underground mated with much of the ingenuity of Tago Mago-era Can, if any parallel can be drawn."

geir does like can i think!

i mean he's a prog fan. prog fans liked can. i thought i remember him saying he liked them somewhere.

Mordy, that's 1978! I was going to say, well, that's one, and one is not enough, but it's not even one.

(Also, get tae fuck do Siouxsie and the Banshees sound anything like Can)

lol at anybody thinking the thread-starter would like Can

― be scientific, douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, March 5, 2012 10:24 AM (2 minutes ago)

I don't want to tempt fate or anything, but it's been 3 1/2 months since his last post...

okay found this on an old thread. its good enough for me:

what Can CD would Geir like best
Actually Geir is on record as saying that "Future Days" is the only Can album he likes - which figures

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, April 25, 2003 11:38 AM (8 years ago)

i always assumed it was CW that Can was a big influence on 80s ilx canon bands -- i guess i was wrong!

i thought i remember him saying he liked them somewhere.

I can imagine he would like "Tango Whiskeyman," not so sure about "Augmn."

Can were pretty influential, for sure, but they've been influential for a long long time, and it's not an '80s sound. That's like saying that the Velvet Underground are really '80s. Or the Beatles.

80's people were definitely influenced by a mishmash of can/eno/krautrock/kraftwerk/conny plank production/etc. but lots of 80's people were 70's people too. which sounds dumb. but i mean can were actually kinda popular in europe. definitely their whole afro/tribal/plunderphonics thing would play a part in 80's music.

Monster Movie is pure 68 vintage acid rock.

The answer to this thread is not an artist but a song, and the song is I Want You Back by The Jackson 5. No one dislikes it.

I do. I don't like any song where a kid does the lead vocal. (Except for Jordy's "Ooh le le bébe", or whatever it was called.)

oh come on now

I'm not kidding here. I just don't like to listen to children singing, except maybe as a backing chorus.

tuomas and eric h.

that fucking Jordy song is one of the worst fucking things ever recorded

i took a lot of crap recently just for saying i don't care for any music made by child vocalists besides young MJ, little stevie wonder, etc.

DJP how can you be surprised that tuom reps for jordy

people who don't like kids singing are probably not even the same species as me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IiLZ0dvDWU

I mean come the fuck on

I'm not kidding here. I just don't like to listen to children singing, except maybe as a backing chorus.

I want it on the record here that I am refraining from MJ jokes.

i never saw the video for that jordy song! o_O

surely the right answer is Red Hot Chili Peppers

people who don't like kids singing are probably not even the same species as me

I'm totally okay with kids singing in a concert or a school event or something. I just don't like to buy or listen to records where they sing... Especially if the song has an "adult" subject matter. Kid singers should be limited to records for children.

people who don't like kids singing are probably not even the same species as me

― horseshoe, Monday, March 5, 2012 2:04 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

well i mean i watch sesame street every damn day and happily listen to my son sing along with kids on that show or his schoolmates or w/e, but as far as popular music goes, there's genuine prodigies like MJ and Stevie and then there's just a whole raft of Mindless Behavior/Willow Smith bullshit

what about, like, new edition? and everything else that followed from the jackson 5?

i love that one mindless behavior song :/

I mean, when you listen to the lyrics of "I Want You Back", they're reflect an adult sentiment. How can a kid express that seriously, and how can an audience listening to that kid take him seriously?

(x-post)

These threads always remind me of people looking for the philosopher's stone or trying to square the circle

I'm okay with kids singing about kid subjects to other kids. But I don't want them to ruin good songs that were meant to adults.

yeah it's a shame michael jackson had to ruin "i want you back" like that

Tuomas is right, the Jackson 5 should have only recorded novelty eurodance numbers

Glad to see people agree with me on this one.

just call my name, tuomas, and I'll be there

<3 that Tuomas not only reps for Jordy but prefers him to vintage Jackson 5.

Maybe MJ was a very mature, very worldly kid, like the kind who's seen ppl masturbating from infancy or whatnot

What happened to Geir?

I love Can. Maybe we should look for mutating artists... like say: Aphex Twin who has something for everybody in his discography.

I'd say something Brazilian would fit. What's not to like about samba or bossa or tropicalia.

what about, like, new edition? and everything else that followed from the jackson 5?

― horseshoe, Monday, March 5, 2012 2:11 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well the members of NE were mostly about 16 years old around the time of their first string of hits, i'm talking younger than that, obviously there's a ton of undeniable music by teenagers around that age or older. but even as far as that goes, i much prefer later NE like "If It Isn't Love" to the early hits.

Fucking hell. The magic of I Want You Back is that this little kid IS expressing a very adult (well, very adolescent, really) emotion, that his voice expresses emotions way beyond his years. It's remarkable and special. Also, fucking amazing bassline, and melody, and harmonies, and rhythm, and so on and so forth, and all that other good stuff that makes pop music FUCKING AMAZING.

this is clearly the beatles.

I've never listened to a Can album! I have songs on my iTunes though. Should I start with the same albums that you guys recommended to Mordy? What's their proggiest?

Well yeah, I don't disagree the song is otherwise very good. It just would've been a lot better with someone else than a child singing it.

(xx-post)

man, if only Tito had sung lead

i always preferred "ABC," so i obviously would rather children know their place and stick to singing the alphabet

It's not A CHILD, it's MICHAEL JACKSON, who was A TRULY EXTRAORDINARY HUMAN BEING (amongst other things).

I like a couple of The Beatles songs, but mostly I'm indifferent to them. And I like some Beatles covers (for example, Nina Simone's "Here Comes the Sun") more than anything The Beatles themselves ever did. They might've been good songwriters, but they were not memorable singers.

As bad as kids singing, The Beatles were.

No, just mediocre.

Come on, Tuomas, this will be 100% classic centuries after we're dead and gone --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR1pBKjV1rI

Well, that is pretty funny, but maybe not all-time classic? Kids can be fun on novelty singles, but not on serious songs.

i had never heard jordy before so thanks thread!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr5Q4xKSmGM

my bloody valentine, darr

I've never listened to a Can album! I have songs on my iTunes though. Should I start with the same albums that you guys recommended to Mordy? What's their proggiest?

― EveningStar (Sund4r)

Start with their most digestible 'pop' songs:

Mushroom, I'm So Green, Moonshake, Vitamin C, Turtles Have Short Legs.

The holly triad of Can albums is: Ege Bamyasi, Future Days and Tago Mago. They're both mildly different. Ege is funkier, Future is balearic / new-agey and Tago is the rawest of those three.

I've never listened to a Can album! I have songs on my iTunes though. Should I start with the same albums that you guys recommended to Mordy? What's their proggiest?

― EveningStar (Sund4r)

Start with their most digestible 'pop' songs:

Mushroom, I'm So Green, Moonshake, Vitamin C, Turtles Have Short Legs.

I'm not familiar with Can either, so I tried to listen to these, but they sound like pretty standard, boring 70s hippie rock tunes to me. So I guess I don't like Can?

tuomas you gotta at least like this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR4TePO5SgE

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the artist no one hates is BASSOMATIC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7a24hUHSrU

just don't be hating on the lil soul brothers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzMU_MdVgks

also, for the record, i've listened to a LOT of boring hippie rock and can didn't make boring hippie rock. so you have to call it something else if it isn't your thing. and again tuomas-types should start with future days.

Tuomas, maybe have a listen to Soon Over Babaluma or some of the later records?

Tuomas types should listen to "I Want More," obviously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc7Ua3W9GkM

"and more" too

I already have these on iTunes: "Sing Swan Song", "Vitamin C", "Moonshake", "Nineteenth Century Man". I'm playing them now.

Okay, listening to that one on Yotube, and it sounds much cooler than the stuff Moka listed, with the violins and dub effects. So I guess I like some Can? The singer is pretty useless though, do they have some instrumental albums/tunes?

(x-post to NickB)

they do indeed have instrumental tracks.

Can you list some? Ones that are more groovy and don't sound hippieish?

So I guess I like some Can?

YAY!

Oh wait, I've heard a bunch of Damo Suzuki on the Carleton station and it was really good.

see, we're gettting there! people who aren't can fans are just can fans who don't know it yet!

So far, though, these four songs are a bit 'meh' for me (probably why I haven't listened much since I first downloaded them), which is surprising, considering how much music from that era/aesthetic I like.

i posted some stuff upthread for groove fans.

Answer to this thread's question is obviously Loutallica, right?

coolest can fans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pwHQlv4tuA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1KiMoNG_84

groovin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGR4SFOimlk

I'm a FAN of CAN!

AMG says Can was "inspired more by 20th century classical music than Chuck Berry" but I don't know that I'm really hearing that, unless maybe they just mean that it's repetitive like Steve Reich. What would be the best record to check out for those influences (and which composers did they draw on)?

Holger Czukay was a student of Stockhausen.

He was indeed. But to suggest that they weren't also influenced by rock'n'roll is to miss the point.

Wait, "Animal Waves" is pretty great so far. (May also be what you're looking for, Tuomas.)

no one says they weren't influenced by rock 'n' roll! it says they don't sound like Chuck Berry, which they don't. The rock influence in Can is the Beatles/Velvet Underground/Zappa axis, i.e. rock bands that incorporated contemporary classical elements in their music.

pretty much all the founding members of Can were academic music types who came from a contemporary classical and/or free jazz background

it was sooo great to finally see 'mother sky' in its original context

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syWd148HZLo&feature=related

I'm a FAN of CAN!

― some dude, Monday, March 5, 2012 2:09 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao

"Animal Waves" is fantastic! What else sounds like this?

Animal Waves may be my single favorite Can track. Similar sounding to me: Saqquara Dogs, Nicky Skopelitis.

no one says they weren't influenced by rock 'n' roll! it says they don't sound like Chuck Berry, which they don't. The rock influence in Can is the Beatles/Velvet Underground/Zappa axis, i.e. rock bands that incorporated contemporary classical elements in their music.

― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Monday, March 5, 2012 8:15 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hmm, okay. I took the referencing of Chuck Berry in the article quoted to be an avatar of rock'n'roll in general. It seems a bit strange to just randomly throw in "people who this band don't sound like" unless you're making a wider point.

I've never listened to a Can album! I have songs on my iTunes though. Should I start with the same albums that you guys recommended to Mordy? What's their proggiest?

― EveningStar (Sund4r)

Start with their most digestible 'pop' songs:

Mushroom, I'm So Green, Moonshake, Vitamin C, Turtles Have Short Legs.

I'm not familiar with Can either, so I tried to listen to these, but they sound like pretty standard, boring 70s hippie rock tunes to me. So I guess I don't like Can?

― Tuomas,

Sacrilege! In what way are I'm so Green or Vitamin C boring 70s hippie rock? They're like prog-funk. Look at that b-boys video scott posted and tell me that is hippie music.

Wow, Troy Hess made more than one song! I only knew "Christmas on the Moon" before. Thanks, thread!

I'm down with Can and "I Want You Back" as the consensus picks.

xxpost to moka:
don't get too worked up, he listened to all those songs ánd posted his impressions within four minutes

Chuck Berry is like the Beethoven of 60s rock music; his name is used as a stand-in for the tried-and-true mainstream rock'n'roll form. In 1968 garage rock was still huge; a lot of rock bands definitely were trying to sound like Chuck Berry or at least capture the same energy that his music did. Even "psychedelic" bands like the 13th Floor Elevators were playing 12-bar blues. So it makes sense to me that a music critic would point out that Can, who on the surface were a psychedelic rock band, had a musical approach that was more forward-looking than some of their contemporaries. xposts

how is chuck berry not more beloved on ILM than can?

plus devo

I love Chuck and Devo. And Can's "Mushroom", that's the bomb.

can't make a green bean casserole without it

I'm loving Future Days.

so, artists/songs everyone likes:

Can
"I Want You Back"
Taco

I think I owned a cassette of the Taco album at one point but have no recollection of any track other than "Puttin' On The Ritz". Am I missing out?

I've never heard Taco beyond their version of "Puttin on the Ritz", which I never thought was a great version.

But Tuomas already said he doesn't like "I Want You Back".

Did I miss someone saying they hated Stevie Wonder?

Aside from when he was Lil Stevie Wonder?

I pretty much like all of the holy cows of ILM, so count me in on whatever you end up picking on.

taco ftw

david bowie, apparently

Well these people generally get quite a bit of love, just don't mention white dudes that play the blues.

Creedence Clearwater Revival
The Minutemen
Prince
Fleetwood Mac
Steely Dan

there are lots of 'mac and 'dan haters too tho

hard to imagine anyone hating prince or ccr tho (except maybe tuomas)

tuomas do you seriously hate any music that sounds even remotely hippieish? i'd imagine that just makes life hella frustrating

i think we did this years ago and the closest answer was CCR. prince, al green, the rolling stones are probably pretty good answers too. who the fuck doesn't like al green?

i'd like to say glen campbell but i'm sure a bunch of rockists would crawl from the woodwork and reply "no."

though if there's one SINGLE that everybody can agree on, surely it's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iD_qZ3hTDo

minutemen! i hope thats true
xp

I am on record as not liking ccr

I bought a double lp best of, was plzd, then I played it and got bored.

I can imagine lots of people on ilx, danceheads, popists, etc, not liking CCR.

Yeah, they have a high likey rating here, surprising in a way.

i think we did this years ago and the closest answer was CCR. prince, al green, the rolling stones are probably pretty good answers too. who the fuck doesn't like al green?

there's always that one dude who insists he's never listened to anything pre-2002, or some shit like that.

The Minutemen are some kind of an hardcore punk band, right? I hate all hardcore punk with passion, that stuff just sounds horrible to my ears.

I haven't heard any Steely Dan or Fleetwood Mac songs beyond the ones that placed in various ILM polls, but those songs certainly didn't impress me at all.

CCR, I just know the hit tunes, they're okay I guess. Can't really say I like the band though.

The Rolling Tones is like CCR with me, I only know the hits, and the only of of those I really like is "Sympathy for the Devil".

Al Green and Prince are classic, obviously.

i like post-motown jackson 5/jacksons, the teenage years i guess
i have never really listened to can, the snippets i hear thru youtube links here are ok but not really my thing
i hated puttin on the ritz at the time, i guess now i would just think it's goofy

who _are_ you people?

if you want to know who the minutemen are, why don't you type the name into google you fucking imbecile.

ok so perhaps the answer is prince. seriously, everyone loves prince right?

no me.
i dont hate prince, but i dont like hum either

There's about 5 prince songs which I love but I don't really care for most of his output. I also find him annoying in his persona. I guess it's a meh from me but I definitely don't hate him. I have a certain respect for him.

What about the Modern Lovers debut? Can't be many haters of that around here I'd hope.

I remember one song from it places in the ILM 70s poll, and it sounded really boring.

No way is Lex a Modern Lovers fan.

Lex is basically my acid test for this.

is this only artists that you've actually heard? there is so much stuff I've never heard e.g. Al Green, Steely Dan, CCR...

i'm sure someone will immediately disprove this but i'm just going to go throw new order out there again. 9 years ago someone said they were boring but times have hopefully changed

boooooooring

welp, there ya go

The Minutemen are some kind of an hardcore punk band, right? I hate all hardcore punk with passion, that stuff just sounds horrible to my ears.
you dont count then since youve never heard them.

"hardcore punk" not quite

this thread is charming, like a Sesame Street bit on people all being different

and a bunch of pre-schoolers finding that out for the first time

huge news: the answer is "no" but people are going to try and disprove that anyway.

and theres nothing wrong with that

I still haven't heard anyone say they don't like Bassomatic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cz_ZRVcV-s

How could anyone not like them?

I don't mind New Order but I wouldn't say I 'liked' them; don't own anythign by them.

I don't mind New Order but I wouldn't say I 'liked' them; don't own anythign by them.

The same with me.

What about the Talking Heads? I haven't seen them mentioned so far.

Lex.

David Bowie might have a song that Lex likes.

Too white, contains guitars.

I've never cared for David Bowie.

h8 david bowie

so fucking intolerably arch

most of these suggestions are mental btw

Like with The Beatles, there's a couple of David Bowie covers ("Life on Mars" by Barbra Streisand and a Finnish language cover of "Starman" by the folk singer Fredi) I like more than any song by Bowie himself.

I think Lex should tell us what he likes that he thinks we all might and we can try and work things out from there.

i suggested madonna/mj/prince upthread

beyoncé!

i mean if you don't like beyoncé you prob don't count as a person anyway, sorry

nina sky

Who's Nina Sky?

smh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Sky

what an odd choice for a universally loved band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpO_6V7Ur0o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHVuCFOIEos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXze-Lj_HJ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM9TQO8LhhY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7PTwqcIBUs

i have never met a single person who dislikes nina sky

I'm not saying i don't like them, i'm just saying it's an odd choice

i think we have a winner: it's the beatles.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mu-_ssjoNaI/TEPKorI2nEI/AAAAAAAAAd4/EbZE-tiYeh8/s400/Beatles13.jpg

^
that is the beatles

Kraftwerk were mentioned earlier with no objections.

The Supremes was another good one. How about The Temptations?

i have never met a single person who dislikes nina sky

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 10:52 (45 minutes ago) Permalink

You must mingle with an extremely limited pool of people.

I was gonna say Talking Heads, but I know for a fact there are savages who cite Byrne's eccentricities as off-putting. Did Lex ever listen to them in the end?

ugh Kraftwerk.

Superstition by Stevie Wonder!

I'd opt for Sir Duke, but yeah whoTF doesn't like Stevie in general?

I haven't listened to top 40 in over 20 years but I can almost guarantee I don't like any of it.

For this board it has to be someone from the 70s or earlier. Stevie Wonder is a good call, not that I love him but I always enjoy what I hear.

is this only artists that you've actually heard? there is so much stuff I've never heard e.g. Al Green, Steely Dan, CCR...

― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, March 6, 2012 2:35 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wha? who ARE you?

someone who clearly has not heard as much music as you, o great enlightened one.

C'mon amateurist, haven't we been over this before? It's remarkably easy to have missed wide swaths of music, depending on what country and era you grew up in. And especially today, all music is now opt-in.

I can't get my head around the possibility that anyone who loves music would dislike "Avalon", "Make me believe in you" or "Sister Ray"...but sadly I guess there are such people.

Does anyone not like Marvin Gaye or Curtis Mayfield though?

Or Charles Mingus?

Oh MG is the fourth post on the thread, should probably have read upwards first.

Al Green, Steely Dan, CCR...

I'm only peripherally familiar with AG and CCR. Steely Dan only because of ILM. They're pretty obscure in the UK.

I've only heard a couple of Steely Dan and CCR songs, wasn't really tempted to explore further.

I only know the one song by Al Green.

harsh

that song is a cover of Taco's "Puttin' on the Ritz"

I love Joy Division but I don't care for New Order. I'll admit, though, that it's in no small part because of a New Order fan I know who for years would never shut the fuck up about Ian Curtis's weaknesses as a singer while presumably remaining oblivious to the fact that Bernard Sumner is so blatantly terrible. Seriously, he would go on and on with these verbose analyses: "Ian Curtis's failing was that he tried to force his voice to conform to the rock ideal etc etc". Taken entirely on their own merits, I guess I could concede that they had some decent tunes despite the horrible vocals. Still, their earliest material makes me wish Ian Curtis was still singing and the later synthpop material doesn't sound as good to me as the Pet Shops Boys (better lyrics, better singer) or Depeche Mode (better production, better singer).

Bernard Sumner and Ian Curtis were both horrible singers. I still like some New Order songs though.

Ian Curtis wasn't a horrible singer! I mean, he wasn't great but he was a lot better than poor tin-eared Bernie

Yeah, every time I listen to Unknown Pleasures I think "if only this guy wasn't trying to force his voice to conform to the rock ideal."

the lex already said he enjoyed a can album. thus, we have gone around one of the biggest obstacles. after reading thru the rest of this thread, the next step is clear: kill tuomas.

Does it have to be a whole album? Didn't Tuomas say he liked I Want More, or did I misread that?

Tbf to him, I was probably being pretty obnoxious in my Joy Division fandom so yeah.

I think Tuomas did (like "I Want More"). Don't think anyone's vetoed the adult Stevie Wonder either?

xxxxp: really? I mean, I defer to you DJP in terms of how well someone can sing, but I guess I don't feel like he could achieve the tones he does in the register he does without hurting himself. Maybe it's just that I don't like his singing.

Compared to Bernie he is pretty good!

Yeah, Stevie Wonder. The seventies, particularly.

Al Green, Steely Dan, CCR...

i unabashedly hate ccr

felt used to cover the old man down the road, but i still hate the sound of john fogerty's voice. prob my least favorite non-canadian rock band

so it's consensus then: Taco, Nina Sky, & Gay Dad.

Ha, do you have a special hatred for Canadian bands??
xpost

His hatred Cuts Like A Knife.

Still, their earliest material makes me wish Ian Curtis was still singing and the later synthpop material doesn't sound as good to me as the Pet Shops Boys (better lyrics, better singer) or Depeche Mode (better production, better singer).

this is all so wrong i don't even know where to begin dismantling it

but. for starters, bernie sumner has a thoroughly pleasant voice. even the hugest pet shop boys apologists have to own up to the fact that thet neil tennant's vocals are nasally pinched in a way that is only palatable in small doses. he makes al stewart seem like pavoratti

Have you heard live New Order recordings? I don't know how much time Sumner spends in the studio recording vocals but live he sounds sort of like a breathless chihuahua.

also you are 100% right about Tennant's nasalness but his lower register isn't pinched

in the studio he's still a chihuahua.

think you're gonna have probs getting stevie wonder past mr "i don't like soul music" anagram

Ha, do you have a special hatred for Canadian bands??
xpost

yes. turns out the letters to the editor section in Creem magazine was otm. where else can i sign up to listen to music written by an Ayn Rand enthusiast with a squawking ectomorph for a mouthpiece?

Have you heard live New Order recordings? I don't know how much time Sumner spends in the studio recording vocals but live he sounds sort of like a breathless chihuahua

no, and that wouldn't surprise me.

but, i do love new order so much, like i can hear just about any of their "hits' for the billionth time without growing weary of them. so it's no shocker that i would resort to talking out of my ass in defending them

pet shop boys-- i just never really grokked. maybe i just need more life experience or something

Have you heard live New Order recordings? I don't know how much time Sumner spends in the studio recording vocals but live he sounds sort of like a breathless chihuahua

he sounds amazing on the records. i love the timbre of his voice as much as i love his mdma-era razorcut

"Amazing" is pushing it. For a good chunk of Low-Life he sounds like someone is strangling him.

the ghost of Ian Curtis, I believe.

hah djp i guess i should add that one of the reasons i never grow weary of hearing them is likely due to never having owned any of their stuff and giving it the requisite close listen that comes with that territory.

that being said, i love "perfect kiss" for instance. yeah, he sounds a little muppet-ish, but it seems to encapsulate (pun not intended) at least my fantasy version of whatever crazy shit they were going through at the time

I loved the 12" version of "Perfect Kiss" on Substance but the album version is just enough on this side of ramshackle to get on my nerves.

I don't just like New Order in smoothed-edge mode though; the original versions of "Temptation" and "Confusion" are amazing.

The Isley Brothers?

Oooh.

i had a new order bootleg when i was a teen and oh man the vocals were just guuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh. unbelievably bad. he had some good nights though. i've heard some other early live boots where it wasn't as terrible. his voice is just so weak. but yeah doesn't matter in the long run cuz one of my alltimefave bands.

New Order's Peel Sessions might be the best peel session imo.

there's some video of them playing a concert around 1988 (I think?) where the singing is SO BAD I almost could not recognize the songs, despite the very distinctive instrumental music that accompanied them

CCR has soundtracked too many mainstream movies and ads. Apparently Fogerty is an idiot an signed away legal control of the rights of his music to the label so he doesn't see a penny of it and they are allowed to suck the soul out of every song he has.

My point is I don't believe some of you have never heard CCR. At least unconciously you have, doesn't matter where you live.

Not the same as hearing it, though. I mean, I have no idea who Nina Sky is, though I might have heard her in the mall once or something.

fuck those mainstream movies

I think ILM would like this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxRrDbWgnSA

things to do in denver when you are dead and put in a box

this would work better if we weren't trying to rope in people whose entire persona is a form of stand-up comedy (lex, tuomas) and professional contrarians (everyone on ILM, including the former).

CeCe Peniston
Chaka Khan
Run DMC

even the hugest pet shop boys apologists have to own up to the fact that thet neil tennant's vocals are nasally pinched in a way that is only palatable in small doses

Have you listened to them after 1988?

Aaliyah?

http://jazzbluesclub.com/uploads/posts/thumbs/1186630713_vince_guaraldi.jpg

Really hope Vince Guaraldi is the answer.

C'mon amateurist, haven't we been over this before? It's remarkably easy to have missed wide swaths of music, depending on what country and era you grew up in. And especially today, all music is now opt-in.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, March 6, 2012 7:38 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah but… al green, steely dan, and CCR?!?! they are completely ubiquitous.

Americans are not the world.

OTM

Americans, however, are the children

yeah but… al green, steely dan, and CCR?!?! they are completely ubiquitous.

eh, there isn't a single artist i'd expect all "musically literate" ppl to be familiar with

I had a bit of a heart attack when I found out one of the music directors at my college radio station had literally never heard of Brahms.

he does sound more like a slang than a person

New order w/the cast of Baywatch

muppet voice or not how cn u hate?!

Zapp & Roger

I just looked up the playlists of the most popular radio stations in the UK (http://www.mediauk.com/article/32695/the-most-popular-radio-stations-in-the-uk): afaict, contemporary pop/rock hits, top 40, non-music (something like our Radio 1 or the non-music programming on NPR), adult contemporary, top 40, sports/news/talk, classical, dance/hip-hop/R&B, adult contemporary, adult contemporary. Virtually no harder guitar rock at all. Interesting: does seem like it could be pretty easy to miss CCR or Steely Dan (unless Smooth FM plays them).

Ah, BBC Radio 3 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/) is closer to what my mental associations with "BBC Radio" were like.

Yes it is incredibly easy to miss CCR and Steely Dan.

I needed a sec to think of what CCR stood for.

I just looked up the playlists of the most popular radio stations in the UK (http://www.mediauk.com/article/32695/the-most-popular-radio-stations-in-the-uk): afaict, contemporary pop/rock hits, top 40, non-music (something like our Radio 1 or the non-music programming on NPR), adult contemporary, top 40, sports/news/talk, classical, dance/hip-hop/R&B, adult contemporary, adult contemporary. Virtually no harder guitar rock at all. Interesting: does seem like it could be pretty easy to miss CCR or Steely Dan (unless Smooth FM plays them).

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, March 6, 2012 6:14 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are you folks all 16 years old? i mean you have been actively listening to music for more than a few years, right?

i mean ok, you haven't heard of al green. it just kind of shocks me. the only people i'd expect to have not heard of al green are folks who "aren't really into music."

i mean i take your point but are that many ILM posters really so devoted to the "most popular radio stations in the UK" that they won't have heard anything beyond what's on their playlists? that seems... demented.

http://www.salvagedmutiny.com/page8/files/shocking.png

You said they were ubiquitous. We are pointing out that you are wrong.

xpost

i dunno, man. how many of the #1 songs in ghana over the past five decades do you know? or yugoslavia? or chile? world is big, canon is small.

xxp

i'm not sure not appearing on the top UK radio playlists confirms their lack of ubiquity.

i know a lot of music from ghana. but most people here are not from ghana.

whatever, i'm just shocked, i'm not really upset or anything. y'all keep on keepin on.

what about Love? listening to Love right now and i don't even wanna know anyone who has anything bad to say about them. they are really LOVEable.

I was just about to post the same thing about Duke Ellington (whom I'm listening to right now). Hating Duke is like taking a shit on the sun.

I just looked up the playlists of the most popular radio stations in the UK (http://www.mediauk.com/article/32695/the-most-popular-radio-stations-in-the-uk): afaict, contemporary pop/rock hits, top 40, non-music (something like our Radio 1 or the non-music programming on NPR), adult contemporary, top 40, sports/news/talk, classical, dance/hip-hop/R&B, adult contemporary, adult contemporary. Virtually no harder guitar rock at all. Interesting: does seem like it could be pretty easy to miss CCR or Steely Dan (unless Smooth FM plays them).

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, March 6, 2012 6:14 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There are a few smaller regional stations that play guitar / rock. I've definitely heard both Steely Dan and CCR in the last couple of months, though they're nothing like 'ubiquitous' in the UK.

I think some people consider Vince Guaraldi as "not as cool as jazz that isn't associated with cartoons" but I would certainly hope no one who posts here is that narrow-minded.

so after we figure out the 10 most beloved ILM artists, obviously someone needs to throw together a poll

yeah, hating duke should get you banned from life. and, wait, surely everyone likes Sly & the Family Stone? i would really like to hear from someone who doesn't like sly & the family stone. and then i will call the loony bin and have them carted away. cuz they are obviously dangerous to others and themselves.

Vince Guaraldi's pre-Peanuts albums "A Flower is a Lovesome Thing" and "Jazz Impressions of Black Orpheus" are awesome

wasn't "Baby One More Time" considered ILM's 2nd greatest record ever at one point?
i'm ok with it.

or was that "Surfin Bird"?

i'm not sure not appearing on the top UK radio playlists confirms their lack of ubiquity.

Doesn't that seem like a reasonable place to start looking? What makes CCR and Steely Dan ubiquitous in North America if not radio play?

(Also, holy shit, this is frightening: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-listened-to_radio_programs#Popular_radio_shows_in_the_United_States )

i dunno, man. how many of the #1 songs in ghana over the past five decades do you know? or yugoslavia? or chile? world is big, canon is small.

i'm not an american apologist but isn't it common knowledge that the us is the biggest exporter of culture in the world? we def control more of the global information flow than these countries, or even the uk from what i've read.

not trying to glorify this at all, but it explains why someone from the uk never having heard of ccr or steely dan seems baffling (ESPECIALLY considering the common placement of ccr in mainstream movies and marketing). so much of what both nations listen to is part of the same small shared canon so it's interesting to hear about where they actually don't overlap. especially in a music board like this where it seems like you would have to actively avoid something like the 'dan on principle

what's an example of something in the britisher canon that never really caught on in the us? i'm talking older critical canon stuff not nec modern top 40 teenpop or w/e. there has to be a thread on this, right?

i'm not an american apologist but isn't it common knowledge that the us is the biggest exporter of culture in the world? we def control more of the global information flow than these countries, or even the uk from what i've read.

yeah, i agree with that, but the "biggest exporter of culture in the world" thing can be misleading, imo. though most of the planet has probably heard of michael jackson &/or the beatles, and moment-to-moment a certain amount of the top 40 is international, beyond that it's a crap shoot. even within the us & uk, the overlap between age and cultural groups can be much less substantial than you'd think.

reverse example = the eurovision song contest. big shared culture deal in most of europe, but i can't imagine many americans even know it exists.

wasn't "Baby One More Time" considered ILM's 2nd greatest record ever at one point?

this is why I hate ILM.

what's an example of something in the britisher canon that never really caught on in the us? i'm talking older critical canon stuff not nec modern top 40 teenpop or w/e. there has to be a thread on this, right?

Slade?

wasn't "Baby One More Time" considered ILM's 2nd greatest record ever at one point?

i refuse to believe this actually happened

They were far from huge, but they had two top 40 hits in the US in the early 80s.

xp

cliff richard had a hit here, but 99% of americans have no idea who he is.

george formby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uny1K5jnkYo

I guess it actually did happen
ILM Top 100 Records -- The Full List

Kind of amazing.. Daft Punk "Discovery" was barely out for 2 months and it's #22

anyway... moving on

I guess it's kinda strange to consider that USA/Canada may be the only countries where songs like "Down On The Corner" "Proud Mary" and "Bad Moon Rising" aren't considered ubiquitous standards.. the type of songs that are around during childhood that we eventually end up taking for granted.. I never got the impression that Cliff Richard had those kinds of songs.

are*

be my guess that there are a lot of americans who've never heard those songs, or to whom they mean nothing

i dont think those songs have that meaning for me specifically, but i could understand that viewpoint

mebbe that was unclear: i was referring to the ccr standards you mentioned. i think they're only ubiquitous w/in a certain age & culture bracket.

yeah that makes sense..

i wonder if a "forest gump soundtrack" moment could ever happen again like it did in the mid-90's... part of me is hoping that never happens again.

i mean ok, you haven't heard of al green. it just kind of shocks me. the only people i'd expect to have not heard of al green are folks who "aren't really into music."

i didn't say i hadn't heard of him, i said i hadn't heard him. big difference. i don't listen to the radio, Top 40 or otherwise. i encounter music based on a very narrow set of parameters e.g. recommendations from the wire and a few other magazines, last fm, friends, bands who are playing in my town. how am i supposed to have heard al green?

i wonder if a "forest gump soundtrack" moment could ever happen again like it did in the mid-90's... part of me is hoping that never happens again.

i dunno, but it would probably have both "creep" and "loser" on it (re a recent poll thread). and "smells like teen spirit". "under the bridge"? "kool thing"? (the characters could dance around in the kitchen to that one.) guess i'm thinking of the big chill...

I have an idea (could be stupid tho, it's bed time)! We can make a POX of individual artists that you love (and think everyone else loves, otherwise we'll end up with 10 artists only you love) and in the end we'll just pick the common denominator from those lists.

Maybe 'not everyone else loves' per se but that you have a notion that they're well known and loved by a great number of people.

I've never knowingly listened to Steely Dan. I've only heard CCR very infrequently on soundtracks or oldies radio, in my dim and distant childhood.

I was thinking today that the answer is The XX.

Even Lex, Geir and probably Toumas like them.

Could be a good call.

To contribute to the "ubiquitous" debate, here in Finland at least CCR are popular enough that everyone probably know a couple of their tunes ("Bad Moon Rising" and "Proud Mary" at the very least), but Steely Dan and Al Green most certainly aren't (maybe they were in the 70s, but they definitely aren't played very much anymore). I know Al Green's stuff because I'm into soul music, but before I started posting to ILM, I'd never heard anything by Steely Dan, nor did I know they were supposed to be a big thing. So they're not something you'd automatically be familiar with, unless you were actively looking into that type of music (70s soft rock).

I think my girlfriend's played me The XX, aren't they a pretty decent band? IIRC correctly they're backing tracks were okay, but the vocals were the sort of indie singing I dislike. A lot of stuff I might otherwise dig is ruined by boring/mediocre singing – why do so many bands insist on having a vocalist in the first place? Like the Can stuff I listened to, it'd be much better without the guy mumbling on top of the grooves.

"decent band" = "recent band"

true

I love Joy Division but I don't care for New Order. I'll admit, though, that it's in no small part because of a New Order fan I know who for years would never shut the fuck up about Ian Curtis's weaknesses as a singer while presumably remaining oblivious to the fact that Bernard Sumner is so blatantly terrible. Seriously, he would go on and on with these verbose analyses: "Ian Curtis's failing was that he tried to force his voice to conform to the rock ideal etc etc".

haha i have totally met ppl like this too. this is basically the gut-impulse reason i will always prefer JD despite loving NO.

be my guess that there are a lot of americans who've never heard those songs, or to whom they mean nothing
― meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they would probably be (a) over 70 or (b) under 18. not a lot of folks in that demo on ILM.

but maybe a lot of folks who have a) heard of the artist, b) never actively listened to them and c) don't associate the ubiquitous songs they probably have heard with the artists in question

anyway, as long as there are numbnutses on board who will actively dismiss entire genres then this whole thread is quixotic forever

also kind of amazed that someone who is "into music" enough to take recommendations from the wire of all magazines has not heard an al green song. i mean i guess i don't think you're obliged to have heard him or something but... kind of amazed that musical curiosity alone hasn't led you to him at some point. do you only listen to glitch techno and free improv or something?

i imagine al green has been referenced in the wire quite a few times, along with most of the "canonical" artists we've mentioned on this thread, as reference points (at least) for critics and musicians.

i mean i'm not surprised that there are folks who only listen to a few circumscribed genres of music and are oblivious to almost everything else, no matter how installed in the culture. i'm just surprised they are posting regularly to ILM -- which i associated with people with unusually omnivorous tastes.

also now y'all can't say you've never knowingly heard al green:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCXEtvbJkkY

i dunno if there ever was a golden age of all open-minded ILM posters but if there was it's a blurry dot in the rear-view mirror

Joni's Blue, too?

already dismissed upthread

i dunno if there ever was a golden age of all open-minded ILM posters but if there was it's a blurry dot in the rear-view mirror

― Mo Money Mo Johnston (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, March 7, 2012 1:52 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well i don't even know who you people are IIRC

anyway, as long as there are numbnutses on board who will actively dismiss entire genres then this whole thread is quixotic forever

I'd like to see this hypothetical person who doesn't dismiss entire genres... Like, are there many people who dig hard rock, polka, and happy hardcore?

i've yet to hear a 'genre' of music where i didn't like at least some of it, p sure that includes hard rock, polka and happy hardcore

I'm always willing to give genres a chance. I'm always curious to hear what is it that people like about a specific genre and if there's a potential fusion somewhere that could fit my actual taste. I like some hard rock every now and then, polka artists have awesome album covers and happy hardcore... well, I guess it's good to know that there's music around in case you want to become a fitness instructor or an anime enthusiast in need for a soundtrack to your new fanvid.

Ward otm -- if I make the effort to get into a genre I will like something in it. Which shows up the artificiality of 'genre'.

I guess it's kinda strange to consider that USA/Canada may be the only countries where songs like "Down On The Corner" "Proud Mary" and "Bad Moon Rising" aren't considered ubiquitous standards.. the type of songs that are around during childhood that we eventually end up taking for granted.. I never got the impression that Cliff Richard had those kinds of songs.

― billstevejim, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:41 (3 hours ago) Permalink

Cliff doesn't but he's a kind of disease over here.

The divising line is classic rock (as oposed to Metal) - we don't really have this kind of thing over here. So while people would've heard a cpl of CCR songs in a film, say, they wouldn't have known who it was by.

Last thing which is North American that got any kind of er, traction shall we say, ws journey - through Glee of course. Pretty hilarious, as that ws the first thing from your side of the pond that I got to know through ILX. Back in 2002, or so.

Left out Al Green as yeah soul gets a lot more coverage.

There was a time The Wire would write about him. Not sure about now so much.

We kind of have Status Quo instead of CCR.

they don't inspire the same level of affection tho, which is sad imo

pretty sure i dig happy hard polkacore btw

Someone (in the US/Canada at least) not knowing Al Green is less surprising to me than not knowing CCR or Steely Dan. I've had to actively seek out a lot of soul whereas classic rock is such an unavoidable format.

fucking hell not xx. that record was so apologetic and timid. I thought this question had been covered already and the best answer we had was James Brown?

link to happy hard polkacore pls.

Everyone knows Summer Holiday, right?

happy hard polkacore wd be sort of like Jumpstyle with some blazing guitar samples. may not actually exist sadly.

I think we need to read through every C/D thread and disqualify any artist that gets a single D. I don't think there's much chance of an consensus that doesn't have at least one contrarian view.

they would probably be (a) over 70 or (b) under 18. not a lot of folks in that demo on ILM.

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

[referring to hypothetical americans who don't know CCR] well yeah, i specifically mentioned age as one of the factors that might determine such a thing. i can't imagine that many musically curious americans reached adulthood pre-2K without coming across reference to CCR and/or hearing them in passing, but i bet that there are lots of such people who don't know a thing about and couldn't name a song by the band. america contains a great many different cultures, and they can be surprisingly isolated from one another.

by which i mean there is no monoculture and never was. i doubt that there is a single artist to which everyone on ILX has paid enough attention to form a serious opinion about.

hard rock, polka and happy hardcore

= BANDA

i didn't think this was about forming a serious opinion, just liking a band/musician/song/album casually -- enough to not-hate it.

We kind of have Status Quo instead of CCR.

― Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wiki says they split in '72. They didn't keep going on and on, unlike the Quo, who I see have tour dates planned for 2012.

With CCR, I think it's very easy to not know anything about the band, but I'd be surprised if someone didn't recognize at least one hit, even if they couldn't tell you the title or artist.

I guess what I'm saying is, the music (which has soundtracked countless TV documentaries about Vietnam) is more famous than the band.

I think your average Brit over 30 would probably know "Bad Moon Rising" from "An American Werewolf in London" but maybe not know the band.

"average brit" probably excludes a hell of lot of supposedly non-average brits

'music more famous than the band' = covers a lot of acts, really!

Until I youtubed yesterday I had totally forgotten about Bad Moon Rising. Then again I know more about Japanese psych bands than this stuff..

CCR were so amazing. just totally amazing. but i certainly wouldn't expect everyone to like them. the vocals alone would turn a lot of people off.

okay, i really wanna know now if there is someone here who has something bad to say about sly & the family stone. or hear from someone who has never heard them! even more universal appeal then Can. i promise not to start jihad on anyone who has negative things to say. i just find it so unlikely!

surely even geir has some nice things to say about their most poppy efforts.

"average brit" probably excludes a hell of lot of supposedly non-average brits

of course. generalising about what other people may or may not know is ridiculous but that was a big song in a great scene in an iconic film that was fairly successful and is still shown regularly on TV. i think you're more likely to catch the film on UK TV than you are to hear CCR on UK radio.

I now have a load of CCR queued up here and it's brightening up an otherwise dull evening.

I've got Watchmen on the with sound down so I've got "Have you ever seen the rain?" playing over the Comedian's funeral instead of "Sound of Silence". Fits brilliantly.

speaking for ILM as a whole, i do not have a single bad thing to say about sly & the family stone

> think you're more likely to catch the film on UK TV than you are to hear CCR on UK radio.

I asked a visiting Briton what popular American acts are virtually unknown in the UK. He mentioned Lynyrd Skynyrd and Jimmy Buffett. True? I could see why they wouldn't translate well; they are very closely associated with the southern US culture of their respective homes.

xxpost

yeah that's a good choice

love sly

I honestly cannot recall ever hearing Jimmy Buffett on UK radio/TV. Lynyrd Skynyrd pop up now and then and have had a wee revival lately thanks to that Kid Rock song.

they killed at knebworth, dudes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-SIbttHSg0

I asked a visiting Briton what popular American acts are virtually unknown in the UK. He mentioned Lynyrd Skynyrd and Jimmy Buffett. True?

Very. Not really anything against 'southern culture': Kid Rock mines the same crap and has some visibility over here, from what I can tell

If this country does long solos it does so in a prog context: public school, some classical stylings, church organs, etc. xxp = lol

old grey whistle test was never the same...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkTQUtx818w

I was going to mention that appearance, but its only ever mentioned as something that was 'allowed' for a brief window before punks showed the true way fwd.

I asked a visiting Briton what popular American acts are virtually unknown in the UK. He mentioned Lynyrd Skynyrd and Jimmy Buffett. True? I could see why they wouldn't translate well; they are very closely associated with the southern US culture of their respective homes.

yes Jimmy Buffet but also pretty much every one of your most famous and ubiquitous country acts bar Johnny Cash and Dolly Parton...

If this country does long solos it does so in a prog context: public school, some classical stylings, church organs, etc. xxp = lol

I get this but I also kind of had the sense that prog retained more of its popularity in the US/Canada than in the UK, despite being largely British? Yes and Jethro Tull never left classic rock radio here; Yes never really stopped playing stadium-size venues.

What about Foreigner? They were mostly British but I also had the impression that they were not as popular in the UK as in North America? Same with other falsetto-y AOR bands (except Journey I guess!): Boston, Styx, Kansas, etc.

I definitely heard Chicago when I was in the UK though.

(I could be wrong.)

There was a period in the mid 80s when Foreigner, Boston, Chicago, etc. got regular airplay and had a few UK hits. Being on popular film soundtracks was definitely a factor.

Survivor, anyone?

okay, i really wanna know now if there is someone here who has something bad to say about sly & the family stone. or hear from someone who has never heard them! even more universal appeal then Can. i promise not to start jihad on anyone who has negative things to say. i just find it so unlikely!

I've never consciously heard Sly Stone. What are his best known songs? maybe I've come across them...

sund4r - said 'if', prob should have added 'at all'. For the UK it would have to be something classical (sometimes jazz) related. Not a hard and fast thing at all. Yes only came back after the Trevor Horn thing.

Willing to be put right on this, btw, never read enough about it bcz I can't muster the enthusiasm.

Solos just haven't been much of a thing here. In an alternative context even I'd say only King Crimson escaped any vilification: due to Fripp's collab w/Eno, the anecdote around Red being one of Kurt's faves and the like.

Sorry solos in an elongated, noodly fashion, after the mid-70s. Doubt many would play arenas.

Quo hark back to that time but they are a circus act.

"Great Quo" started around their last Pye album, and ended with "Mystery Song". Their next single was "Wild Side of Life" which was alright, but ...

anagram, here's the track list of Sly's original Greatest Hits LP, one of the solidest, most enjoyable slabs of vinyl ever; every track a winner.

1. I Want to Take You Higher
2. Everybody Is a Star
3. Stand!
4. Life
5. Fun
6. You Can Make It If You Try
7. Dance to the Music
8. Everyday People
9. Hot Fun in the Summertime
10. M'Lady
11. Sing a Simple Song
12. Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)

thanks for that. nope, none of those ring a bell. sorry.

Not Dance To The Music?

Sly Stone is a huge blind spot for me, too. I know "Everyday People" but only b/c of the Arrested Development cover.

Get the remastered 69 Greatest Hits set. Seriously 12 of the best songs ever put together in an order ever.

It is interesting, Sly only had one top ten hit in the UK, "Dance To The Music;" the rest charted much lower if at all (and the hits LP, #2 on the US pop chart, #1 R&B, did not chart either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foL6eZzvzHo

Only "Theres A Riot Goin' On" album did, which included this classic not on the hits album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdiRhzTsSnk

Oh, I totally know "Family Affair."

Yeah, Sly are much less part of the culture over here outside of Dance To The Music and Family Affair, which probably gives them more of an aura for people who do get into them; there's a whiff of discovery and ownership, I guess.

Family Affair was after the 69 Greatest Hits set; that compilation is basically a cut-off point after which Sly goes a little mad. Family Affair, and the rest of Riot, is a very strange record.

itt: people who don't like any soul, funk, reggae, hip hop, r'n'b

i wouldn't tell people unfamiliar with sly to start with them, but the trio of fresh/small talk/high on you are some kinda next-level dub funk. or i think so anyway. just production-wise, i've always loved that stuff. the only thing missing from the singles from that era were king tubby or lee perry dub versions on the b-sides. and, needless to say, if you are a rap/hip-hop fan, you kinda need to own those albums.

no evidence of any Bowie haters on the poll, so they either stayed away or don't exist

Lex hates Bowie.

i'm a 'hater' in the sense that i voted for the 15 or so hit songs I love, troll-voted for a few others for a laugh, and have relatively little curiousity about investigating his catalog on a deeper level

Bowie's definitely one of the least interesting or musically enjoyable artists in the classic rock canon for me personally, i'm not gonna challop and say he's talentless or hasn't made some great music, but on the whole i don't really care much about him

Joe Dolce from Ohio

Shaddap

is anyone going on the record as not liking Sly & the Family Stone?

No one's vetoed 70s Stevie Wonder yet either.

Bowie's definitely one of the least interesting or musically enjoyable artists in the classic rock canon for me personally, i'm not gonna challop and say he's talentless or hasn't made some great music, but on the whole i don't really care much about him

― HalfNelson (some dude)

I actually feel this way about Bowie too. Love him and think he is an interesting personality but his music isn't as timeless as him. Think of him more as a fashion influencer than a music influencer tbh.

can we move this thread to I Love Banal Observations About Overdiscussed Canonical Musicians?

i dunno, can we move it to your mom?

No one's vetoed 70s Stevie Wonder yet either.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 March 2012 22:59 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OK, there's yer answer, not even Geir will say no.

70s Stevie Wonder

I do love a good few of his songs from that era, but also there are some horribly treacly ones that are total station-changers for me so he kind of cancels himself out in my book. Sorry guys ;_;

On the other hand, the Curtis Mayfield suggestion I can totally get behind.

you love a few of his songs. that's all i need to hear, personally

But the thread title says "is there an artist everybody likes", not "is there an artist who has a few songs from a specific era everybody likes".

Yes, but also, Albums were stated in the thread q.., so:

Innervisions - Stevie Wonder

and it's 'like' not 'love' necessarily.

can we move this thread to I Love Banal Observations About Overdiscussed Canonical Musicians?

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 9 March 2012 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Can we move you...not sure where? Let me think and I'll come up w/a banal suggestion later.

I asked a visiting Briton what popular American acts are virtually unknown in the UK. He mentioned Lynyrd Skynyrd and Jimmy Buffett. True?

Growing up in the '90s, 'Sweet Home Alabama' was an oldies radio/rock club staple, 'Freebird' too to a lesser extent - on the other hand I'd never even heard of Jimmy Buffet 'til I started posting here! The whole cult around him seems so bizarre.

I've never heard of Jimmy Buffet before... Is he like a big star in the US?

only in Margaritaville

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/428363_253928888028821_228765017211875_549116_1085694660_n.jpg

> I'd never even heard of Jimmy Buffet 'til I started posting here! The whole cult around him seems so bizarre.

> I've never heard of Jimmy Buffet before... Is he like a big star in the US?

He can fill statiums here. But more so than most acts that had huge cult followings (i.e. Grateful Dead), Jimmy Buffett is quite accepted by the pop mainstream, and at least half a dozen of his songs are radio staples on any station that plays pop/rock of that era. Other than country acts, I can't think of anyone with a greater disparity re: US vs. UK fame.

sousa fuiud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOCxegQupMU

intergalactic, sousetary

oh please
the name of this artist is the Talking Heads

Does Ned still hate them? I came around once I gave Remain in Light a fair listen.

VILLAGE PEOPLE

kind of bummed to find out that Ned hates the Talking Heads!

has no one really said bill withers

you gotta really say it

I think too many people are bystanders when in comes to 70's Stevie Wonder and Sly & the Family Stone. I don't know enough about them to make a judgement call. It's like if someone were to mention a famous bossa nova artist.

I second Bill Withers...after watching the documentary for the 3rd time I think the guy should be beatified...what a wondrous person and he makes great music...

> I don't know enough about them to make a judgement call. It's like if someone were to mention a famous bossa nova artist.

Speaking of which, Antonio Carlos Jobim?

yeah, but if you're curious, you can get a feel for what stevie was up to in the 70s by listening to just a few tracks (pick a handful): "you are the sunshine of my life", "superstition", "higher ground", "too high", "living for the city", "have a talk with god", "sir duke", "isn't she lovely?", "master blaster (jammin')"

same goes for sly & the family stone. go to you tube or wherever and check out a few of these: "life", "everyday people", "stand!", "you can make it if you try", "thank you (falettinme be mice elf again)", "everybody is a star", "family affair", "if you want me to stay"

like, you don't actually have to be familiar w antonio carlos jobim's catalog to know you like the dude. having heard "the girl from ipanema", "desafinado", and/or "aguas de marco" should be enough to seal the deal.

^ tbh, i would honestly have a very hard time trusting the opinions of anyone who didn't like those three

(some redundancy)

<i>I think too many people are bystanders when in comes to 70's Stevie Wonder and Sly & the Family Stone. </i>

Needs to be rectified.

oh please
the name of this artist is the Talking Heads

Has Lex heard them yet?

I really do not care for Bill Withers and would change the station if "Lean On Me" came on.

yeah, go ahead, flag me.

I really like Stevie Wonder's 60s records!

But the songs that contenderizer mentioned are not for me-- I dislike them all and grind my teeth when they come on in the grocery store-- except "Sir Duke" which is just great-- Stevie in the 70s was treacly, unsubtle, and I don't like the sound of that harmonica.

But I like, love "Sir Duke" and his 60s shouty stuff so I guess it doesn't matter

okay, phew, close one

(still suspicious of the dismissal, the adjective you missed is "more funky than god")

because i will take any opportunity to post this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ul7X5js1vE

I think of Glenn Medeiros' "Nuthin's gonna change my love for you" as being funkier than pretty much anything off "...Life". (Except "Sir Duke"; this is the last time I'm gonna say "except Sir Duke" but just understand that I bow before that inferno of a song)

And when guy tries to jam it out as on "Superstition" or "Higher ground" he just gets too... bogged down in complexity? Those songs never take off. They don't have that buoyancy. And I'm not going to name names but there are some slower songs off those albums that I feel have like scarred me.

BUT I would like to add that I don't listen to enough Bill Withers and thank you for reminding me that I needed to listen to some Bill Withers tonight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbzcdG5FK3c&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLCEDA0F2C4F1AF061

i get what you mean abt the complexity, but i think you and me must have a very different idea of what "funky" means

i/ideas, whatever...

i mean, i can't think of many other songs written by mere humans that take off quite as effortlessly as "superstition" and "higher ground", so stalemate.

I just talked with God and he told me to keep listening to Bill Withers