Now that "On The Beach" has finally seen its CD release, what is the most "canonical" release currently not available on CD

holy moly - is Tusk gonna have outtakes, doodads, etc.?

http://otoro.com/images/sucker.jpg

Yup, It's my understanding that Rumors and Tusk will both have a whole second disc of outtakes, doodads and etc. Be still, my beating heart. Plus the first Tusk disc will finally have an uncropped version of 'Sara'. IT'S ABOUT FUCKING TIME.

the Japanese import is the only one that exists, correct? And I will second "The Name of This Band is Talking Heads"

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Flipper- Gone Fishin'
The Effigies- For Ever Grounded (Actually all three albums released on CD would be great, as I have the other two on LP.)

I'd like to have "Lick My Decals" and the first two Shellac 7"s on CD, but I am not holding my breath on either.

If anyone's really desperate for "Lick My Decals Off Baby" or "Starsailor" on CD then drop me a line 'cos I might just be able to help....

< rant mode >wtf are Rhino playing at not having these two acknowledged classics available anyway, eh? Three years they've supposedly been working on a re-release of Decals to my knowledge! How long does it fuckin' take, eh? Wake up, stop fuckin' about with lovingly and lavishly produced limited edition "Handmade" releases of Wild Man fuckin' Fischer, live recordings of Tiny fuckin' Tim and "Theodore Bikel's Treasury Of Yiddish Theatre And Folk Songs" and get yer priorities straight and yer fuckin' act together f'fuck's sake!

Listen to the man Carlin, he talk sense. I second "Starsailor". I was lucky enough to pick up "'Til the Band Comes In" before it disappeared altogether. Why is Mrs. Zappa digging her heels in over "Bat Chain Puller" and Wild Man Fischer?

saw 'music for a new society' in canada last year but didn't pick it up bcz i had lots in the bag already and did think it was in print in the uk. when i got back didn't see it anywhere bah.

That's certainly not what I've heard - I was under the impression Beefheart wanted them released and the Zappa Estate was refusing. Why else would Beefheart provide poor-quality, second generation recordings of BCP to be released as "Dust Sucker"? (In case you're tempted - don't buy).

Other than that... Metal Box perhaps? Despite the mountain of superfluous Bill Laswell product out there, I could definitely use some Last Exit. And there's also a veritable ton of great Flying Nun records that it'd be really nice to have around in the land of the living once more.

But the biggest omission on CD has to be Bob Seger's first few albums (ie, the "before he was shit" years).

Ramblin' Gamblin' Man, Mongrel, Noah, Back In 72 and Smokin' OPs are all unavailable on CD. Possibly why in the Detroit garage scene Bob's so verlooked even Ted Nugent gets a better press.

I have it on extremely good authority that Don very definitely doesn't want any of his material re-issued.

He's refused to enter into any sort of dialogue with several people who've been writing or trying to write his bigoraphy / their own autobographies - including former band members Bill "Zoot Horn Rollo" Harkleroad and John "Drumbo" French - or have anything to do with any of the recent reissues in any way whatsoever.

Apart from anything else his reputation as a musician is (for reasons I can't even begin to fathom) viewed as something of a handicap to the development of his current career as an artist.

"Why else would Beefheart provide poor-quality, second generation recordings of BCP to be released as "Dust Sucker"?"

Lest there be any misunderstanding on the subject (and I appreciate that the liner notes are extremely and deliberately misleading on the subject!) "Dust Sucker" is very definitely unauthorised, unlicensed, un-endorsed and un....uh-legal (sorry slipped into Dubya mode for a moment!) BOOTLEG and has absolutely nothing to do with either Don or any member of The Magic Band past ir present. Furthermore neither the legal owner of the material (The Zappa Family Trust) nor any of the musicians who performed on those recordings are receiving any royalties from it's release.

In fact, I'm extremely sorry to say, the unwitting source of the recording used on that release was almost certainly myself.

Up til a couple of weeks ago, I'd say Judee Sill's two Asylum LPs, but Rhino just did 'em. So, Lou Christie's Paint America Love.

Oh and please feel free to e-mail me about Starsailor!

Eeep. Well that I never even knewed or suspecticated. Who'da thunk it? My mistake, I'd never really picked up that thing and examined it before. Thanks for putting me right.

This just floated to the surface out of the silt on the river-bed of my memory: apparently when Revenant were putting together the "Grow Fins" box set they approached The Zappa Family Trust about the possibility of including some or all of "Bat Chain Puller" as well as a track called Hoboism, which featured just Don and Denny Walley, that was recorded while they were in the studio recording the album, but Gail refused.

Maybe that's what you're thinking of?

* "Show Stopper" and "Renaissance Man" by Jamaaladeen Tacuma
* "The Two Headed Freap" and "Sweet Revival" by Ronnie Foster
* "The Essence of Mystery" and "Funky Snakefoot" by Alphonse Mouzon

..etc. A lot of good fusion records have never had a proper re-release because of the bad name fusion got after mid-seventies.

I'd like Sonic Boom's "Spectrum" CD release. And "Now Ain't The Time For Your Tears".

Stuart, is that Starsailor offer open to all comers..?

Oops!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to slander the fragrant Gail Z in that case. As for Don's thought processes - well no-one's ever been able to fathom those, for good or ill.

Well, it's open to everyone who takes the trouble to spell my bleedin' name right, certainly!

That's ILM speak for "good"

'aida' by derek bailey is another item that is v difficult to find on CD (though its available on LP, i think).

Absolutely - if everything was available all the time there'd be nothing to look forward to, so e.g. I wouldn't be sitting here waiting for that second Rubble boxset like a small exciteable child on Christmas Eve!

Some things shouldn't ever be unavailable 'though (or at least, if they are unavailable there should be strongly-worded articles in the papers every day and leading items on the news every night and reports on Panorama and embarrassing questions being asked in Parliament until the minister reponsible is forced to resign in disgrace) and "Starsailor" and especially "Lick My Decals Off Baby" both fall very firmly into this category!

Of course I can afford to be a smug bastard because I've already got my copies of both items, in preparation for such a shortage, stockpiled safely in the nuclear fallout shelter in the basement of my house.

Oh and what's more, before you get any funny ideas, be warned: I also have a CD writer and I'm not afraid to use it!

Does demonstration tapes count? it was reissued on CD but it's impossible to get

From Merriam-Webster Doctionary Online

Pronunciation: 'ka-n&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin, from Latin, ruler, rule, model, standard, from Greek kanOn
Date: before 12th century
1 a : a regulation or dogma decreed by a church council b : a provision of canon law
2 [Middle English, prob. from Old French, from Late Latin, from Latin, model] : the most solemn and unvarying part of the Mass including the consecration of the bread and wine
3 [Middle English, from Late Latin, from Latin, standard] a : an authoritative list of books accepted as Holy Scripture b : the authentic works of a writer c : a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works
4 a : an accepted principle or rule b : a criterion or standard of judgment c : a body of principles, rules, standards, or norms
5 [Late Greek kanOn, from Greek, model] : a contrapuntal musical composition in two or more voice parts in which the melody is imitated exactly and completely by the successive voices though not always at the same pitch
synonym see LAW

Out of interest, can anyone suggest anything that actually fits definition # 5?

Mmm...Moondog(Louis Hardin)'s 1971 alb 'Moondog 2', full of madrigals, rounds and canons?
(I've no idea if it's still in print. It was some 5-6 years ago, though)

It's tacked onto the CD version of Moondog, isn't it?

but The Name of This Band is Talking Heads has always mystified me -- some sort of coverup ? i like it more than Stop Making Sense

Yay!

peter grudzien's the unicorn

It was released on CD recently, but I don't know if it's still in print.

"Mmm...Moondog(Louis Hardin)'s 1971 alb 'Moondog 2', full of madrigals, rounds and canons?"

Aaaah, music obsessives - is there nothing we don't know between us?

Oh I wish I hadn't gone there now - I've just found myself coveting a copy of "Eskimo" in 5.1 Surround Sound!

I have it and it's my favourite Bum Tickly, sorry, Tim Buckley album

It did make the Virgin Top 1000 in the last Larkin-book. Also, it was featured among the 600 albums picked by Mojo staff for "The Mojo Collection". So it isn't completely "uncanonical"

*Yeah, I know parts of these releases have been reissued on CD, but it would be nice to have these albums out on disc too.

This is another one the Zappa Estate aren't reissuing - I'm sure they have their reasons

I guess it is next up in the re-release program then (already got the double one from Demon here anyway, but I didn't realise it was completely deleted)

Joe Tex's "Buying a Book" you can't get either.

Sly's "Riot" is available w/o orig. graphix and with shitty sound...the most egregious example I know of bad reissue/complete corporate indiff to art. Matthew Katz owns the rights to the great first Moby Grape LP and so it costs $25 or something, which is also criminal.

The Miracles's "City of Angels" is available but not in its original form, and it's the greatest concept album of the '70s.

And Beefheart's "Lick My Decals Off" isn't in print on CD, which is nuts, seeing as how it's his finest work. I don't see why someone couldn't boil "Trout Mask" down to 37 minutes and tack on the complete "Decals" for a true bargain and a great intro to Van Vliet at his zenith. Keep the orig "TMR" in print for those who need to hear "China Pig" or "Hair Pie Bake 1."

I saw these going for like $50 on Amazon.

Someone dubbed me a cassette copy of that when it came out...essential indeed.

"The Name of This Band is Talking Heads" finally on CD!!
Posted Sunday, 25 January, 2004 by francey
Twenty years after its original release on double vinyl, the Talking Heads live album "The Name of This Band is Talking Heads" will finally be released on CD. Chris Frantz confirmed the release of a remastered edition by Rhino "in the near future" on the Tom Tom Club message board yesterday.

'';-)''

I've been listening to Neil Young's Time Fades Away a lot lately. It's really quite great, innit? Too bad Neil doesn't want to reissue it.

The dB's' 'Like This' was only in print on CD for a year or so in '88-'89. Shame, that. Great record.

Great sentences of our time that indicate one has lost touch with reality #47.

As for TNOTBITH being released: Yay!

I got my copy through Forced Exposure.

As for Ulmer, 'Odyssey' was on CD at one point but has been out of print for the past four or five years. Shame!

The AuPairs- Playing with a Different Sex
The Mekons- Quality of Mercy Is Not Strnen
Robyn Hitchcock- Black Snake Diamond Role
Seefeel- Quique, Succour, Ch-Vox, & Polyfusia
Slowdive- Pygmalion
Bark Psychosis- Independency
Third Eye Foundation- Semtex

- I've got this, is it difficult to find?

So to add:

Monolake- Hong Kong
Black Dog- Bytes
Black Dog- Spanners

ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MONEY

Criminally never issued on CD. I think most, if not all, of Ms. Peacock's work is OOP right now. Sad.

-- Roger in Mokum (rogerteelin...), March 10th, 2004.

Well, the latter has been released last month, on Speed State Records, in a very nice digipack. More power to ILM! ;-)

(her latest album also sucks)

Nope, there have been various official releases over time.

(It's in the Rockist canon!)

4 hero - in rough territory

didn't know that Gore and Chrome had had their cd issue, anyway i hope they re-reissue soon, those are classics.
The Ornette Coleman Impulse lp and the ECM stuff i mentioned has sure never be on CD, my hope is in Japan, recently there reissued the ECM album of the Improvison Music Company bu Baley. And why Rephlex who issued on CD a lot of trash not doing a cd issue of the best Luke Vibert album since Throbbing Pouch (also oop) is too strange (yeah, they love vinil, only vinyl is true, shit like that...)

about Starsailor i have the olc CD reissue, but is mastered like crap and has index error coupling two songs in one. Wait for a rightly remastered reissue, after Rhino (even if I love them) find time after re-re-re-re-reissuing Drama by Yes.

also The Stooges need remastering but this is another tread...

ciao da francesco

The Beatles' "Live at the Hollywood Bowl" seems to fit the original premise.

LP got to number 1.

Never been released on CD.

was talking about hollywood bowl the other day with a friend. the music is pretty far down in the mix; and screaming kids dominates. found a copy of purple chick's Beatles live releases, and Indianapolis sounds incredible and makes me never want to play HB ever again.

Buckingham Nicks is due for imminent release on CD, along with remastered/special editions of Fleetwood Mac, Rumors and Tusk. (The latter two being 2-disc sets!). They were slated for release last month, but they seem to have been pushed back. Rhino's doing them, if I remember correctly.

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Did this eventually happen?

the Buckingham/Nicks, I mean. Can't find it on Rhino's site.

buckingham nicks still unavailable afaik

troo

burning sensations LP

maybe not canonical, but odd 80s hit shelved

as far as never being released officially on CD, the usual suspects (Decals, Time Fades Away, Buck-Nix) but CDs currenty out-of-print that I wish were in print:

Acid Mothers Temple, La Novia
Brainiac, Bonsai Superstar
f/I + Boy Dirt Car, Space Mantra
Konk, The Sound of Konk
White Heaven, Out
Ut, Conviction
Live Skull, Dusted
Asha Vida, Nature's Clumsy Hand

Black Devil Disco Club is the album on my wishlist that I just never expect to own. I would do anything for a CD reissue.

White Heaven, Out

I think that this is still available (try FE?), but if you're desperate, I could be pretty easily coaxed into parting with my copy.

Space Mantra is out of print again?

Bill Dixon's Intents And Purposes (RCA Victor, 1967) has never been issued on CD. It was reissued twice on vinyl, in Japan in 1972, and on French RCA in 1976, but nothing since then.

I'm not sure; I just checked Amazon for White Heaven...I might have made a mistake about Space Mantra...sorry, prolley should not have even opened this thread

yeah mistake about Space mantra sorry foax!

isn't F/i's space mantra and their split with boy/dirt/car two different releases? I've got the vinyl so I don't know anything about the CD versions.

I see they've reissued Freaky Trigger by Win, this has raised my hopes of a reissue of Uh! Tears Baby but no sign of it yet.

speaking of live skull, their first 4 records never made it to CD

live skull
bringing home the bait
cloud one
don't get any on you

dusted has to be pretty easy to find on CD, no one ever wanted the copies that were pressed anyway!

no trend:

too many humans
a dirty dozen roses
when death won't solve your problems

although from what I understand these would have to be mastered from vinyl since the master tapes were intentionally erased

Yes, those two F/i things are different. Lexicon Devil reissued both of them on cd a few years ago.
I've got Space Mantra but not the Boy Dirt Car split.

surprised to discover boy dirt car reformed an released an album a few years ago!

F/i's split with boy dirt car is crucial if only for "trauma at the beach"

ok, looks like you might have both!

In 2000, Lexicon Devil released Space Mantra/Boy Dirt Car Split LP, which contained two recordings -- the band's first full-length, Space Mantra (originally released on RRR in 1988), and its side of a split LP with Boy Dirt Car (which was released by RRR in 1986) -- by F/I on one compact disc. ~ Tim Sendra

Yeah, I just realized this. Duh.
Trauma at the Beach is an awesome song!

boy dirt car's side is mostly grumbling electronics, but there is one great "song" where dan kubinski starts screaming "HE TORE OUT HIS EYES" over and over in his die kreuzen voice

speaking of canonical moments in music history

The Beatles' "Live at the Hollywood Bowl" seems to fit the original premise.

LP got to number 1.

Because it was by The Beatles. It sounds like crap, to say the least. Unless a flock of screaming young 60s girls are your thing...

Well, since we've wandered from the realm of the canonical, I would support a CD issue of:

Gibson Bros. - Dedicated Fool

but ain't holdin' my breath...

F/i's split with boy dirt car is crucial if only for "trauma at the beach"

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dude I knew there was a reason why I singled you out as having the best taste on ILX!!!

Outside the canon, a lot of the albums I have been longing the most for have been reissued by various labels in the Red Cherry and Demon families. Or by Repertoire. But if an album is being left to a reissue specialist label to reissue (not counting Rhino here, mind you), it can hardly be said to be canonical. With a few exceptions like "Odessey & Oracle" maybe.

And "More Than A New Discovery" (Laura Nyro) and "Gonna Take A Miracle" (Laura Nyro & Labelle), both reissued by Rev-Ola.

Her two best-known albums are still on Sony.

The entire Swans back catalogue is a mess and needs uniform CD reissues. Unlikely to happen though.

But if an album is being left to a reissue specialist label to reissue, .. it can hardly be said to be canonical.

It's not always that the label cbb, it's more often than not that the label in question closed down for business.

.. or that the rights lapsed and reverted to the artist.

Wharrabout that Morrissey guy? Now he's rectivated MajorMinor for his latest reissue.

Bona Drag. Originally on EMI, a compilation, canonical to Mozfans, out on a reactivated label, um, bzzt.

The first Queens of The Stone Age album (which was on cd) is still oop. Used copies start @ $48 on Amazon.