The Real New Fall LP (Formerly Country On The Click)

It’s due out next Monday….
Have any of you heard it yet?
What’s it like?
What’s the significance of the title: has it been released / bootlegged already; are they sending themselves up for the ridiculous state of their back catalogue; or is Mr Smith just being inscrutable again?

Anyway, if you have the orig CD reissue, the 'click' on one of the tracks which repeats a couple of times, that's on my vinyl copy...

How does that work???

< sulk > I wanted to know if the NEW Fall album's any good - not if a live one from 20 years ago is any good! I already know they were good live 20 years ago!

Well sod the lot of you, I'm just going to go and buy it anyway and find out for myself, so there. < pout >

We haven't bought it yet.

p.s. Hey Hey Hey Hey (drums table)

It sounds like what you have there is a dodgy German copy. Sorry to burst your bubble about an original. The original CD issue of FIAH was mastered of one of these.

The new CDs are mastered properly and sound great, check if Voiceprint (bad mail order service, but worth it if...) are still offering all their fall CDs for five pounds.

Stewart Osborne:

The new CD is good, a welcome return to form after the shite last two. It's a little 'The Unutterable', and a bit 'The Light User Syndrome'.

When did these start coming out?

In A Hole
Flying Nun (NZ) MARK1/2, 1983 (LP + 12") [top of page] [lyrics]

Impression Of J. Temperance / The Man Whose Head Expanded / Room To Live / Hip Priest / Lie Dream Of A Casino Soul / Prole Art Threat / Hard Life In Country / The Classical / Mere Pseud Mag Ed / Marquis Cha-Cha / Backdrop / Fantastic Life / English Scheme / Joker Hysterical Face / No Xmas For John Quays / Solicitor In Studio
Recorded live at Mainstreet, Auckland, New Zealand on 21 August 1982.

Beware! there is a German bootleg copy that has at least one major skip in The Man Whose Head Expanded. The run-out grooves of the bootleg read Teil 1 & Teil 2 (some copies read LIVE 1 Seite 1, LIVE 1 Seite 2, 3, 4).

Reissued May 1997 on Cog Sinister/Voiceprint on CD (COGVP102CD) mastered from the vinyl bootleg, skips and all.

Reissued 3 February 2003 on Cog Sinister/Voiceprint on CD (COGVP137CD) as In A Hole +, 24 bit remastered - skip free this time - with bonus tracks: The Container Drivers / C'n'C-Black Night / Look, Know / Who Makes The Nazis? / Gramme Friday / Slags, Slates etc (all live from other shows on the 1982 New Zealand tour).

I did see one a couple of years before in HMV, but it was a bit pricey.

The Real New Fall LP (Formerly Country On The Click) - has been delayed a week - now released November 3rd [in the UK]

Protein Protection is my favorite track.

it still doesn't touch Grotesque or even Perverted by Language but yes it is very good overall. "We live on blooood..." nice. But re: Sparta FC, a little TOO 'accessible' or something. I don't know, it just sorta sounds forced to me.

@d@m I can burn it for you if I get some CDRs, or you can borrow it soon and mp3 it.

[is there really a band in the states trying to claim the name ? is nothing sacred ?]

New Peel Session from The Fall this August!

Unfortunately, though at the end of this album I concluded like never before that I miss Hanley and Scanlon and Brix and the days of two drummers etc. etc. etc.

this is nuts - The Unutterable is much greater than this record.

It has Mod Mock Goth, which is from the Xmas 2003 single, Portugal from the Sparta single, and two different mixes of album track.

Tracks are:

Clasp Hands
Blindness
What About Us
Wrong Place, Right Time / I Can Hear the Grass Grow

"Wrong Place, Right Time / I Can Hear the Grass Grow" - Coolness!

any ideas? I'm tempted to go back further than 20 years.

There are 4 of 'em....

*Original Country on the Click Mix = Crappy production, Smith's vocal take not very strong. The Hanley-esque bassline is still there, and this version does include a wonderful pre-chorus of "Shepherd Boy, Everybody Sing!" that didn't make it to the final mix.

*The Real New Fall LP version = Excellent production, some weird clanking sounds added, melody change in the final chorus, killer bassline and shepherd boys removed.

*Single Mix (which I believe is on the US version of Real Fall LP) = I've only heard it once, and it sounded similar to The Real New Fall LP version with less keyboards.

It is a brilliant song, yes.

Actually, while I'm on a roll, let's go for a second, probably equally stupid question: we saw The Fall supporting The Magic Band a few months back and they did a quite extraordinary rendition of Frankie Vali & The Four Seasons' "Walk Like A Man(-uh!)" - have they made any recordings of this song?

"Walk Like A Man" hasn't seen the light of day yet.

Partial revive to note as well that if you're near NYC they're doing a one-off show at the Knitting Factory this Thursday at midnight. New album being recorded in the city and due for release in June, so likely more than a few new songs will take a bow.

Awesome record

I think this might be my favorite Fall LP...

-- bendy

Sparta FC (Peel Sessions version) was the song that got me into the Fall.

Sparta FC is one of the best songs of this century.

It really is a great album, isn't it?

yeah i'm with most everyone on this thread, this album totally rules.

one of my favorite Fall LPs in the past 15 years.

this album is so fucking amazing

yeah it is fantastic i must say

my way into the fall was via 'the marshall suite' and 'the light user syndrome' and this feels like a continuation of something wonderful they were only working towards on those two records

i *would* really like to hear 'levitate' and 'the unutterable' next, but something tells me this may have them beat

I prefer Levitate and Unutterable fwiw, altho this album is a good 'un.

omg i may actually have a fit of happiness when i hear those two albums

unutterable is better, definitely. I like this series of records, from Light User through "real new fall lp", exept for "missing winner"...maybe my favorite run of their albums.

am I completely evil for sort of preferring some of this stuff to some of the earlier stuff?

louis is challenging us with his opinions

I think the high points are as high but there are more weak spots in the records as a whole

xpost

HEH, TNSG and what I've heard of the other first/second-wave albums are fucking fantastic but yeah, there are some individual songs on these newer albums which wouldn't drag the quality of any of those albums down...also, the way these albums are constructed is perhaps even more streamlined and blistering than the early ones, albeit perhaps a little less dementedly careening or otherworldly

weirdly, I *really* liked Bend Sinister when I listened to it all the way through the other day. It's not regarded very highly but I thought it was sublime!

If you chopped off the last third of The Unutterable I'd put it in their top 3 records, for sure (as it is, top 7 or 8).

Worth, by the way, finding the American version of The Real New Fall LP, with Portugal (For the Record), Mod. Mock Goth and, I think, the single version of Recovery Kit, which is great.

On lovely baby blue vinyl as well.

top 5 of the decade for me

I love that Protein song. As a recent ( last 4 or 5 years) convert There are so many Fall Albums its like they may as well have been all released at the same time. There is so much to discover. Imagine if someone just never released anything then suddenly released 22 albums at once and quit or died. What a career. I think I'm going to do this .

release 22 albums of music shortly before you die?

I got this cheap at Oxfam.

If there are piles of Fall albums, going "Good", "Meh" and "Bad", it's definitely in the "Good" pile.

this is a classic in my book

oh def.

Easily the best Fall record between The Unutterable and YFOC, and on par with those two. I wore it out a bit when it was new so I don't throw it on that often anymore but I should.

man this record really holds up, RIP

Oh I have this, it seems.

Will have to dig it out.

Great album, only time I saw them live was when they were touring this record. Versh of Sparta was tremendous, also played Spoilt Victorian Child

MES arrived 5 minutes into the bands set carrying a Lidl bag full of paper sheets

Cherry Red are doing one of their 5CD box set of this album - it has the original Country On The Click album on disc 2 - is this the first time it's been officially released (outside of the promo copies that leaked)? I've never listened to the original version. any good?

CD1 is The Real New Fall LP
CD2 is Country on the Click
CD3 is Interim
CD4 is B-sides/Peel session
CD5 is live in NYC

Country on the Click is streaming last I checked.

i can't remember what the differences between the original and the final released version are tbh. the final version is great and all I've paid attention to since it came out but I remember also really liking the promo.

Never mind I was confusing Country on the Click with the UK version of Real New Fall, which appears to be te only one available on Tidal. Can’t stream “Portugal”!

Real New Fall LP and Country on the Click iirc have different (and all good in their own way) versions of The Past, Mountain Energei, Green-Eyed Loco Man, Boxoctosis (*open the box, open the box, open the goddam box*), and Mike's Love Xexagon ('satanic meditations, shadow emissions').

It's a v good late-ish LP imv - CP.

Portugal is a lot of fun! And the We Wish You A Protein Protection Christmas, Christmas EP is also v good (of which Mod Mock Goth is on the US RNFLP).

Country on the Click was the first version I heard via a pre-release bootleg, which was extremely available, which i think was part of the reason Smith ended up releasing a different version.

yeah apparently he was pissed that it leaked. the claim is that it wasn't the 'final' version. hard to tell with a fall album frankly. 'are you are missing winner' doesn't sound like the final version of the album but it was.

would be nice to finally have a legit copy of Country on the Click, I never cared for the Real New Fall LP versions of those songs... the initial mix is way better

think this might be my favorite Fall LP, oddly enough. Bassist in my band finally had the Fall click for him, listening to A-Sides. And as I quickly assembled a comp of other tracks, I wanted to include more tracks from TRNFLP than any other.
― bendy (bendy), Monday, July 3, 2006 10:57 PM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Seventeen years later, maybe the Unutterable is my fav, but either way, I rank these years as the totally on par with the Brix years.

'are you are missing winner' doesn't sound like the final version of the album but it was.

I am convinced the original 2003 release of Are You Are Missing Winner was not mastered

Sorry, 2001 not 2003

it’s not a terrible shout that. there’s an entire subject here - most trivially represented by the on stage “knob twiddling” (underrated and mistakenly criticised imv).

reformation post tlc does a fair bit with submerged/above water presentation - on one level representative of a form of dissociation (see systematic abuse), at another a mechanical/playful approach, where smith abuses all aspects of the music production and post production process - as a friend said the key information in the Levitate liner notes (themselves of course totally uninformative) is “Produced by Mark E Smith”.

these two “levels” are ofc not separate at all but intrinsic.

I am convinced the original 2003 release of Are You Are Missing Winner was not mastered

i'm not even convinced it was mixed, recorded, or written

lol

fizzles were you the one who linked to something once about how MES would do these "un-learning" albums to break in a new or changed lineup? e.g. Room To Live, AYAMW, Reformation

it rings a distant bell, but i can't remember any useful detail. i'm also at this remove not sure what would constitute a 'learning' album. I can think of quite broken down albums (Levitate, Sub Lingual Tablet) that come at the end of phases, and quite imperial sounding ones (The Marshall Suite, Extricate, or Shift Work if you assume Extricate was a 'bridging' album), that might be termed nu-gruppe albums. I'm not sure it tracks, though I'd be interested to read where it was originally presented.