The Cure boxset "Join the Dots", the tracklisting is here!!!!!

darn.

My biggest gripe: THREE versions of "Hello I Love You" and TWO versions of "Purple Haze", but no "Let's Go To Bed (Milk Mix)" or "Spilt Milk"?

I figure the former will be on a remastered Mixed Up bonus disc and the latter with Bloodflowers similarly.

(Where is "See The Children"??? "Desperate Journalist"??? etc???)

Haha!

A double disc set of nothing but live versions of "A Forest" over the years would be genius. "FUCK ROBERT PALMER FUCK ROCK AND ROLL!" Like Palmer could complain about that now, he's dead.

Live tracks? That would be pathetic, but, I guess you could tack Entreat onto Disintegration and get away with it. Lost Wishes is only four songs, mediocre instrumentals at that...NED WHAT CAN THEY DO FOR US AFTER ALL THESE YEARS.

Er? Man, there are so many great live tracks I've heard from all the incarnations of the band, I'd love to hear more and/or more clearly. Things like Smith's freakout on the 'Tiananmen' version of "Faith" and all.

The Tiananmen "Faith" is just so over the top, I seriously can't listen to it. But I had that Hot Hot Hot boot too, great sound quality.

Demos of all of the albums would be great, actually. I want "Two People" on CD.

You guys are mental.

i had no idea these remasters were coming out. i assume that carnage visors will be on the remaster of faith, which will be nice as i want to replace my tapes already!

Crystal Palace Bowl, when they debuted Never Enough, it sounded awesome. I have the bootleg somewhere, come to think of it. And each remaster should def. have a live version of "A Forest" from that year.

Argh my fuckin' head's going to explode! You mean having lovingly collected all the albums on CD over eight years (Seventeen Seconds was the very first CD I ever bought - and I've just realised I made sure it was, just so I could say so in situations such as this), specifically bought the big empty black Wish-era box to put them all in, and now THE FUCKERS ARE GOING TO MAKE ME BUY THEM ALL AGAIN?

Where will it all end, I ask you? Did that sign say "Hell"? And what are we doing in this handcart? etc.

"Never Enough" is fantastic, of course - my copy's especially cool, since Simon Gallup gave it to me (my mate Higgy's mum used to walk her dog with Simon's wife, FACT!). "Harold & Joe"...mmm...

Anyone going to the London show in December?

Oh, and I've just realised why Hot hot Heat are so named...d'oh.

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I am stoked at the prospect of 2 CD remastered versions coming out this year, there is a lot of unreleased stuff out there that is worth hearing. Also they should get some kind of Dick's Picks (Ned's Picks?) thing happening, especially some of those foreign radio broadcasts from 80-82 Werchter/Lille/Hertford etc: They had an a great sound back then.

check www.skippyscage.com/mzui if anyone wants to trade some early Cure.

I WOULD HAPPILY TRAWL THROUGH THE ARCHIVES OF THAT. Um, please.

My box set is on order at my Fave Local Record Store, and I will be picking it up this Friday.

I read this whole post but maybe i missed this: anybody know if there’ll be duplication between the box and the future supplemental discs.

Mmmm.

"A Japanese Dream" sounds as shitty and thin as it did from day one and I'm convinced they mastered all of the KMKMKM B-sides from a virgin vinyl copy, there's shitloads of clipping in the left track on most of them and they sound way too high in the 8KHz range. I have CD-R boots with the "New Mix" of "Icing Sugar" that sound better than the one on here. The 12" remix of "A Japanese Dream" is so many light years better it's ridiculous. Why even acknowledge this bullshit single-length take, it has no space, no bass, no pulse, nothing compared to the extended mix. The real treausres on this set are Clearmountain's dubious single-prep mix of "How Beautiful You Are" and "To The Sky" (apparently this settles that the superior "Resurrection" mix from the early 90s Unplugged boot Acoustic Daze is a pure bootleg mix?).

Disintegration remaster is going to sound amazing: "Babble", "Fear of Ghosts" and particularly "Out of Mind" are so much fuller - the track depth and clarity in comparison to the original mixes is unreal, it's like new songs. "2 Late" still sounds as dry and distant from the album as it did on the "Lovesong" single. Still most everyone's favorite b-side, a lot of folks' favorite Cure song. Too Smiths/REM for me.

Chris, I have a 2nd gen monitor mix of All Cats Are Grey sneaked onto quarter inch during a break in recording by a tape-op, it's not a million miles different from the original but enough as to be of interest (tom placement, sfx at start and end louder) I could dig it out if yr interested.

(They stopped by yesterday, them UPS people, but when I was out and they need a signature dammit. So TODAY since I signed the slip. Grr.)

Those Elvis Costello re-issues should be a yardstick for bonus beats, Get Happy! Just amazing!

What could we see beyond:

TIB: All the extraneous material from the 1st wave that wound up on BDC, maybe even "See the Children"? haha. I wouldn't be surprised if Smith relegates "Object" to disc 2...
17 Seconds: peel sessions, live tracks - the demos wouldn't be that good, I would think they'd go for live stuff, the 17 tour was their first big one, some of their best shows. Prospect Hill!
Faith: Carnage Visors, demos, unreleased tracks (back in the late 80s, a collector told me there were four or five songs from these sessions no one has ever heard - can you verify?), peel sessions
Pornography: peel/jensen sessions ("Ariel"), demos, AIHTDIKH.

As for live stuff, well I said it before but there should be proper releases of IMO:

Lille 81
Arnheim 80
Herford 80
Werchter 81
Zomerpop/Jaapeden Halle. Shortish, Dutch Radio Broadcasts 81
Paris 82
Japan or Washington 84

And thats just for starters, never mind all those BBC live concerts!

Wasn't Prospect Hill an audience jobbie?

However, i'm saddened to admit that I have no idea what that acronym stands for - care to share?

anyone got any live KMKMKM-era boots? I'd love a whole gig...

KMKMKM boots are terrible, I regret to inform you. Most of the ones I've heard are soundboards from American dates, and Boris was playing a heavily electronic kit. Sounds like a Yamaha RX-7 through a Boss pedal, really dead and flat. The most widely available KMKMKM boot is Santa Barbara CA.

"All Mine" is just Smith wanking on guitar, as he was wont to do before anthems ("Disintegration" during the prayer tour, he always does it before "Three Imaginary Boys"). "Forever" was a more structured, mounting improvisation based around a frankly boring riff that built to crescendo. It dates from The Top tour as far as I know, it was another way to get Porl's sax in there. They did it with Shellyan Orphan in 1989 at their supposed "Last American show ever - we mean it!", and it was pretty awful. Cure: not a jam band.

i rented the trilogy dvd and made it about halfway through the disintegration set before having to turn it off. :(

You missed hearing the versions of "If Only Tonight We Could Sleep" and "The Kiss" at the end = your loss.

A quick google search revealed nothing to me.

Also, "SPLINTERED IN HER HEAD" OMG WTF AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*"Harold and Joe" starts*

Oh, that too.

I think if my wife woke me up in the middle of the night and shouted "SHAPE IS STILL ASLEEP WITH THE TOYS" at me, I Would simultaneously shit myself and have a gigantic screaming orgasm.

re. Dots, for the moment, I've been most impressed by Speak My Language, which I've never really cared about. It has an actual groove now! I've only listened to the 1st disc on my actual stereo (ie. while the rest I've encoded and played on the CPU).

($39.99 at Newbury Comics, BTW.)

The thing that's amazing me is how much I love the instrumental to "Breathe" because I've never really liked that song. I'm still not convinced by the vocal, though.

Also, "Hey You!!!" is flat-out wonderful.

and ben, thanks for the tip about crow's nest (kinda sad that they are going out of business). join the dots was sold out though. everything $18.98 and lower is on sale for $10.99 so i did manage to walk out of there with a lot of music!

from Steven Severin website:

Next up is the remastering and re-release of all of the banshees albums. This is set to start in November in batches of 3/4 albums at a time. The GLOVE "BLUE SUNSHINE" (21st. anniversary edition) album will be included in the second batch (poss. January 2005). It will include a newly unearthed 'tribute' track by Mr. Waverly entitled "(Fearing the worst, the private detective goes in search of The Glove, following a dubious tip-off, he finds himself in) THE SEEDIEST LOUNGE BAR IN THE UNIVERSE". "

Anyone manage to get tickets for The Cure's London Barfly show this Friday? They're going for a grand a pop on eBay, apparently, but it's for charidee so that's ok I suppose.

Oh, and this, copied from Popbitch:

"Tom Middleton aka Cosmos is recording a new track with Jonny Marr from The Smiths and Robert Smith from The Cure."

Interesting!

9/21/2004 1:01:42 PM - by geffen

Release Date - 15th November 2004

The Cure's debut album from 1979 has now been elevated to the Deluxe Edition series.

Compiled by Robert Smith and Digitally Remastered by Chris Blair at Abbey Road, this 2 CD set is a must for all Cure fans as it contains 6 Previously Unreleased songs and 15 tracks on CD for the very first time! The 16-page booklet has sleevenotes by Johnny Black plus rare and previously
unseen photographs from Robert Smith's personal archive.

DISC 1 - Three Imaginary Boys

01. 10:15 SATURDAY NIGHT
02. ACCURACY
03. GRINDING HALT
04. ANOTHER DAY
05. OBJECT
06. SUBWAY SONG
07. FOXY LADY
08. MEATHOOK
09. SO WHAT
10. FIRE IN CAIRO
11. IT'S NOT YOU
12. THREE IMAGINARY BOYS
13. THE WEEDY BURTON

DISC 2 - Rarities 1977-1979

01. I Want To Be Old (sav studio demo 10/77 - previously unreleased song) (@)
02. I'm Cold (sav studio demo 11/77 - previously unreleased version) (@)
03. Heroin Face (live in the rocket, crawley 12/77 - previously available on 'curiosity' mc 1984) (@)
04. I Just Need Myself (psl studio demo 1/78 - previously unreleased song) (@)
05. 10:15 Saturday Night (rs home demo 2/78 - previously unreleased version)
06. The Cocktail Party (group home demo 3/78 - previously unreleased song) (@)
07. Grinding Halt (group home demo 4/78 - previously unreleased version) (@)
08. Boys Don't Cry (chestnut studio demo 5/78 - previously available on 'curiosity' mc 1984)
09. It's Not You (chestnut studio demo 5/78 - previously unreleased version)
10. 10:15 Saturday Night (chestnut studio demo 5/78 - previously unreleased version)
11. Fire In Cairo (chestnut studio demo 5/78 - previously unreleased version)
12. Winter ('tib' studio out-take 10/78 - previously unreleased song)
13. Faded Smiles (aka I Don't Know) ('tib' studio out-take 10/78 - previously unreleased song)
14. Play With Me ('tib' studio out-take 10/78 - previously unreleased song)
15. World War (on early copies of 'boys don't cry' album 1979)
16. Boys Don't Cry (single - also on 'boys don't cry' album 1979)
17. Jumping Someone Else's Train (single - also on 'boys don't cry' album 1979)
18. Subway Song (live in nottingham 10/79 - previously available on 'curiosity' mc 1984)
19. Accuracy (live in nottingham 10/79 - previously unreleased version)
20. 10:15 Saturday Night (live in nottingham 10/79 - previously unreleased version)

which would make the use of Boys and Jumping here stupidly redundant. so not out of the realm of possibility given 10:15 is currently on this, Join The Dots and Standing On A Beach...

Can we get a REAL Cure tribute album plz? Preferably with this on it?

TIB/BDC: "Another Day"
SS: "Secrets"
F: "Doubt"
P: "A Short Term Effect"
JW: "The Dream"
TT: "Wailing Wall"
THOTD: "Screw"
KMKMKM: "The Snakepit"
D: "Last Dance"
W: "To Wish Impossible Things"
WMS: "Trap"
B: "The Loudest Sound"
TC: "Taking Off"

Not that I'm jealous. Grr!

what are the next re-releases going to be? i can't wait for 17s and faith.

Good list, Dan - "To Wish Impossible Things", "Last Dance", and "The Loudest Sound" are godly, and "Taking Off" is one of the better songs off the latest. But I'll add to the list of "Fake" grumbling, that song is atrocious. As for the other recent b-sides, "Truth Goodness & Beauty" is ruined by the soupy production, but "This Morning" is quite good (I'm a sucka for "Homesick"-style tinkly piano).

"Taking Off" is great because Robert decided to use "2 Late" as its template rather than "Friday I'm In Love".

01. HOME
02. WAITING
04. THIS IS A LIE (palmer remix)
07. WORLD IN MY EYES
08. POSSESSION
09. OUT OF THIS WORLD (oakenfold remix)
10. MAYBE SOMEDAY (hedges remix)
11. COMING UP
12. SIGNAL TO NOISE (acoustic version)
13. SIGNAL TO NOISE
15. A FOREST (plati/slick version)

Again, though, I am biased.

In fact, I'm listing to "Maybe Someday" right now (with CD1 and CD4 queued up in Winamp)! Funny how that sort of thing happens when threads get revived, huh?

what has been reissued already? other than BoysDontCry (cause i think its the bonus tracks on these, that i need)

xpost: yeah i just put it on myself, been a few months

That's it so far -- the next set (17 through Pornography) is not yet confirmed for release but rumor suggests February or March.

i'm glad to hear im not the last man on earth still using Winmp

on second thought, no

"Primary" (Red Mix)
"Let's Go To Bed" (Milk Mix)
various "Wrong Number" mixes
"Gone!" (Ultraliving mix)
"Spilt Milk"
"Watching Me Fall" (Massive Attack remix)
2004 tracks

There are some other WMS-era remixes that are missing (at least one other remix of "Gone!", a remix of "Strange Attraction" and a remix of "The 13th") and I think there was a live version of "100 Years" that was on "The Hanging Garden" 12".

Said it about a year ago, let me repeat -- god, what a band, and what a collection.

Does nobody else hate the "Chuck remix" of "Just Like Heaven"? I mean, why bother? It was pretty close to perfect before. J. Mascis brought a new and fresh angle to the song, but this is just an unnecessary butchering of one of The Cure's best moments.

Ugh why did you invoke Dinosaur Jr

Agreed

unagreed.

Funniest thing ever -- Dinosaur Jr., opening for the Cure at the Rose Bowl 1992. They play said cover. Most of the crowd: "UH?"

To say nothing of the people running from the merch/food tents...

I think that that particular version of "Just Like Heaven" is much more successful at evoking the breezy island flavor that 311 was going for with their "Lovesong" cover. It's not all that great but it's successful at what it does (ditto the remix of "The Caterpillar").

The William Orbit mix of "Inbetween Days" is still one of the greatest things ever recorded.

urgh - I hate all the remixes you mentionned, esp the "Inbetween Days" one. What's there to like?

EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.

Oh, except maybe the fact that it ends.

What Ned said. Everything about that remix is brilliant:

- the fact that it's rather unapologetically 4/4 dancefloor fodder that still encapsulates the original dance-pop-rock infectiousness of the original;
- the synth burbles floating throughout;
- the pitch-shifting on the original components of the song to make it match the new stompy BPM;
- the all-out euphoric assault that builds from the opening and never stops;
- etc etc etc it's just plain awesome!

I agree with you about the "Just Like Heaven" and "Caterpillar" remixes, which is why I said they weren't too great.

Mark Saunders' Everything remix of "The Walk" will always be my favorite.

The remix of "A Forest" is pretty damn boss, too.

Hah yeah the Walk remix used to be my testing-new-audio-equipement favorite. Hmm, I'm gonna have to give the 'IBD' remix another spin but I rememeber hating that "synth burble" and the pitch shift used to make me sea-sick.

I just got this and I must say I'm having a lot of fun with it. It's interesting to see what slipped through the cracks for me, cause I would have thought myself pretty familiar with everything up through Disintegration. Like, I can't understand why I saw that Half An Octopus 10"/Quadpus 12" thing so many damn times in stores and yet it never occured to me to buy it. I guess I didn't understand there was a track on there I hadn't got elsewhere. Or maybe I didn't think it would be worth the money. I really don't know.

Also a grand surprise are the Catch b-sides (I swear to god I never even saw that 12" in stores, for real - I looked up the sleeve online and it rings zero bells for me) and the Just Like Heaven 12" b-sides. I don't recall ever owning that 12" either, but I'm not sure why.

That flexi version of Lament is um...nothing to get excited about, though...;)

"To The Sky" leaves me weak at the knees. That might just be the best thing here.

I am amazed that they managed to turn the Doors' "Hello, I Love You" into a fantastic goth song. It's cool that it's mostly instrumental, too.

By that I mean the "unreleased psychedelic mix", not the other one. The other one is not goth.

Wait - I resurrected a Cure thread on ILM and no one responded??

HA! What a laugh.

Most of the Kiss Me b-sides are pretty great. I like them more than the album, in fact. When I bought it, it came with a bonus orange LP with all the b-sides and that's the one I always played.

Can anyone confirm if there is indeed an audible amount of clipping/distortion/etc. on the version of 'A Chain of Flowers' on disc 2?

I just bought a new set of speakers and it's driving me mad trying to figure out if its the speakers or the cd!!

Cheers!

Yeah, it clips... around 2:24, 3:08, other places too.

Cool, thanks.

The problems I'm having are with the guitar lines in the intro souding really shrill and distorted.

Clearmountain mix of How Beautiful You Are; amazing! wasn't there some story that Clearmountain was hired to remix the whole KMKMKM album by the Cure's manager? i know he did all the singles too.