Brand New: emo beacon or lesser light?

If you're into that type of stuff, go for the first Get Up Kids album, the first Promise Ring Album, all Cap'n Jazz, The Jazz June and the three proper Braid Albums,

Although I definitely think The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me is the best thing they've ever done, "Jude Law and A Semester Abroad" stands up really fucking well, fuiud.

Deja Entendu is maybe my favorite album ever. Devil and God probably has better stuff on it, though.

i will stand by this band forever, they are the best. <3 <3

* high five *

My secrets for a buck. Watch me as I cut myself wide open on this stage where I am paid to spill my guts.
Won't see home till Spring.
Oh I would kill for the Atlantic but I am paid to make girls panic when I sing.

Okay so The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me is totally amazing.

i used to be *really* into brand new when i was in HS

their first two albums are great too, esp deja

do iiii diviiiide and fall apart?

re: devil and god, probably the best rock record of the last ten years imo

It's very loud though. I have to find a way to listen to it that won't wake the entire apartment block.

I need to pick up Deja Entendu I suppose.

Okay so The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me is totally amazing.

― Tim F, Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:50 AM (7 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this. i am tempted to quote that immortal ian zeiring line.

NEW SONG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=21&v=CwICLInIl8A

I MEAN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwICLInIl8A

Not blown away just yet but v v glad they're back

!!!!

sounds like "sink" and "archers," which i'm v down with

new song - a slow and depressive one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBen_48OOSU

oh you got me excited there, thought they had put it out officially

lol i only just heard about it, when i looked back at the post date i was like "o shit this was a month ago whoops"

i have a friend that is sending me videos from their gig at Barcelona. i'm really mad. now i can't stop listening to them.

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28YFesvcLS8

dig that

yeah that's great - excited for the new album

Sounds a little like the Kevin Devine album Lacey produced (not a bad thing)

fucking fantastic

context for anyone unfamiliar: in 2006, before devil and god came out, brand new's initial demos for the album were leaked; they included several songs that never appeared on any brand new record. jesse lacey was very angry about it at the time and iirc deliberately avoided properly recording the songs that leaked, so only "sowing season" and "luca" made it to the album, with "(fork and knife)" released as a single the following year. last year they remastered the old demos and released them officially. yesterday they put out an ep of newly-recorded studio versions of three of those demos. imo these songs are amazing and i'm so happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHcteXrBfuo

http://brandnewofficial.bandcamp.com/album/3-demos-reworked

awesome

the coda of Missing You yesssss

omg that 1996 track is deja entendu level good

i've been obsessing over "battalions" from the demos record a lot lately & kinda wish they'd remade that, but it got turned into "archers" on devil & god, which is phenomenal, so i guess it wouldn't make sense

1996 is def the big prize here

they're all great tho, "brother's song" sadly remains relevant.

my only worry inre: these is that doing this kind of tinkering might keep them from finishing the final album (if it comes out at all if def will be final; they're selling t-shirts that read BRAND NEW 2000-2018 on them). they've clearly still got it, the hooks on "i am a nightmare" are some of the best they've ever written, and "mene" and "sealed to me" are great too.

they're putting out a single with "mene" and "out of range" too

real "emptying the vault before we release a new album and break up" vibe

heh i totally remember these songs, high school years coming back hard

xp agree re: breakup vibes. i'm wondering if they'll pull a radiohead and stuff the completed older songs on the album or if it'll be new-new stuff only

can't get over how good the reworked demos sound. tbh I doubt they'll be on the new album, or at least I really hope they won't be, the songs are ten years old ffs

the full set of 2006 demos are on spotify btw. i remember being obsessed with them around the time they leaked, but i'm pretty shocked at how well they've held up. this is really good stuff

I've heard that "three cheers" chorus before, has it been a part of their live sets?

oh yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsKocqfHL7I

i am the watch you always wear but you forget to wind

one day in the future there will be a new brand new album and d*nald tr*mp will be dead

no one is allowed to bump this thread again until there is news of at least one of those things happening

NEW! ALBUM! IN! OCTOBER! http://www.procrastinatemusictraitors.com/

AAAAAAH

also many thanks brad for honoring my request!!

fuck a 45$ plus shipping price tag though

holy shit i hope this means a TOUR

what's the very best Brand New album for someone who likes melody + guitars

all of them? deja entendu maybe?

that or _tdagarim_, i sense the majority here would recommend the latter first

either of the middle two are what you want. i'd maybe recommend deja over devil bc of your emphasis on "melody"

as far as i can tell

1. this album is called science fiction
2. it's out there

!!!!!

what a day

I know everyone is going to say this but this sounds like the actual Devil and God followup so far, holy shiiiiiii

this is fucking unbelievable

when i grow up, i wanna be a heretic

this is emo christmas

i have so much work to do today!!!! whyyy did this happen now!!!!

ahhh (spoiler)!!

anyone got a link they can share? at work and want a trusted source

get thee to reddit

i dont do reddit but ill try

yeah i also had to brave reddit and ugh but

THE GUITARS

it's their jangle record, kinda!!

holy shit (spoiler)!!!!

kiss me one time each eyelid
so I can see how I dreamed it

definitely no second-half slump on this one, goddamn

oh man the talk talkisms with the organ and harmonica

about to start listen 2, I am so happy with this

i'm guessing the last song is called "batter up" anyway that's my fav

what a weird record

it's the epic closer Devil and God deserved

the next to last song is fuckin intense

tracklisting + non-$45 vinyl http://www.procrastinatemusictraitors.com/products/598731-brand-new-science-fiction

the cover is so good

download available immediately after order!!!!!!

That's dope.

oh if you buy it it's an immediate download. i hell of couldn't afford to do that but i did lol xp

smdh at the outlet who thought the band sent out CDs "accidentally"

god bless this day

I know people cringe at calling them emo but I feel like this is the ideal day for that Wrens album announcement

oh man the talk talkisms with the organ and harmonica

― just another (diamonddave85), Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:10 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thank you for connecting "in the water" to talk talk

album generally has catherine wheel adam & eve vibes i think

"can't get it out" is like they wrote another "1996" just for me

yeah this is def their eeriest album, funny how the one-off singles ("mene" and "I am a nightmare") sound like headfakes now

I appreciate how idiosyncratic the sequencing is, bookended by two extended drifters with lots of little peaks and valleys in between

agreed re: eeriest album, which, daisy was already extremely eerie

I can't begin to think what the single will be, if there is one? I guess "can't get it out" is most obvious but I'd go with an edit of "in the water"

also I can't help but think that Devil's Tower would have been a cooler and more fitting name for this record

i like thinking it's a ornette coleman reference

this is still the best band ever

"desert" is such a sick little song

i am unsure of how necessary it was to write a song from the perspective of a homophobic preacher but it sure adds to the post-apocalyptic vibe

yeah that and "451" are a nice double hit of dark western vibes

when describing this album to a friend i compared it to juno's a future lived in past tense. idk if it's that good but it's the sound of a great band stretching allllll the way out

haha you have friends who have heard that album??

lol yep it's my friend's favorite album of all time

nice

this album is crystallizing for me nicely, I don't see myself wearing it out anytime soon. I'm so glad they're back.

it's the sound of a great band stretching allllll the way out

I think they can go even further and I hope they do cause this rules. "In the Water" might be my new favorite BN song

how does one hear this record

u can buy it or torrent it. i'm not sure it's streaming anywhere.

i feel like some of these tracks belong in new twin peaks

things are extremely shitty rn and my lord i needed this record

loving this so far, 2 listens in and not ready to talk specifics yet really.

Man, the run of Same Logic -> 137 -> Out of Mana is so great.

this is on tidal and apple music (but not yet on spotify) for anyone holding out for streaming

now on spotify also!

"same logic" has like.,.at least two choruses

i'm really enjoying this, the sustained eeriness feels very the moon & antarctica

That's a good comaprison actually - it even shares some of the same folksy DNA

lonesome/moon-era modest mouse i feel are models here down to the record's length and how it's probably a good record to drive at night to

I can attest to that it also sounds very, very good on long walks in the city.

jesse was a big modest mouse fan back when i used to follow BN

some of the guitar parts on the devil & god felt very modest mouse but this album goes further in that direction

same logic/teeth through to in the water is a fantastic run of tracks

having a hard time deciding if maybe this is my fave BN album... this vs Devil and God is a classic higher highs vs. greater consistency battle

wait, which album matches which description for you?

new new one is def more consistent

imo this is devil and god if every song were "you won't know"

The only thing that makes me sad about this album is that it doesn't seem like Jesse Lacey's head has become any easier a place to inhabit in the intervening years

my barber was very into the new album. he played a few songs -- very TDAG

pox brand new

1996
limousine
same logic/teeth
noro
in the water
in a jar
okay i believe you but my tommy gun don't
you won't know
nobody moves
you stole

wow i'll have to think of mine

i think "can't get it out" is going to be on mine tho

"no control" is like brand new doing the pains of being pure at heart

(it's awesome obv)

not sure how i feel about "451" yet

just gonna dampen expectations and say it's gonna be a video

http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/brand_new_fan_countdown_reddit

album no. 6

actually wait why would they tease a video three months in advance

arrrrrgh

This rundown ends on a brilliant note:

Brand New Scores First #1 Album
on The Billboard 200 with Science Fiction

#1 on The Billboard 200

#1 Album Sales

#1 Independent Album

#1 Digital Sales

1st Independently Released Album to Top the Charts in 2017
(Following Frank Ocean and Metallica in 2016)

3rd Rock Record to Snag #1 in 2017 (Incl. Arcade Fire & Linkin Park)

1st LI Artist to Top Charts Since Billy Joel w/ River of Dreams in 1993

but what if it is a second album (!!!)

apparently the countdown was a hoax

can anyone explain why wikipedia says "planned disbandment" and the RS review says it's their last album? i haven't been able to find any info on that

they released shirts last year that said "brand new 2000-2018"

ahh ok

they're a cryptic band though and i don't really trust them to follow through on it

i'm finding myself really moved by "in the water". this album is basically reminding me why i was obsessed with this band in high school

and yeah, "batter up"....damn

this album gets better and better with every listen. so many unexpected turns

yeah loving it. still getting to know it.

That opening to "Waste" sounds so much like The Cranberries' "Zombie" it throws me off every time

ha!

this album is so richly varied. the flawless shoegaze of "no control"; "desert", which basically sounds like jesse doing a stephen malkmus song; and of course morrissey all over.

my current favorite moment is the bridge to "could never be heaven"

godddddd is dead

well said

I do love this album but it's so despairing I find myself having to limit my exposure to it somewhat

K this is good

That opening to "Waste" sounds so much like The Cranberries' "Zombie" it throws me off every time

I'm going to have to edit the shit out of all these interludes tagged to the end of a lot of these songs. Wish most of them were their own songs.

i love the unresolved punk song at the end of “no control”

The guitar solo in "137" is the most glorious musical moment of 2017.

I'm going to have to edit the shit out of all these interludes tagged to the end of a lot of these songs. Wish most of them were their own songs.

― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Friday, September 29, 2017 8:17 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can you YSI if you do this? after listening to it for the 20th time theyre really starting to get on my nerves

You can easily do this yourself with a lossless MP3 editor. The best one I know is MP3DirectCut (Windows only).

ya i could do it on audacity right now tbh i'm just bizy and figured if someone else had already done it

the skits are rly cool and creepy the first 20 listens tho

yeah i like the "skits" (not sure that's what i'd call them tho)

Every night you were tripping out
In the morning you were coming down
If it's breaking your heart, if nothing is fun
Don't lose hope, my son
This is the last one

https://i.imgur.com/PFcnEiX.gif

i don't usually get that stoked about live concerts even for bands i love but this is one of the albums where i need to see them touring this material

largely because i need a socially acceptable outlet to singalong to some of these choruses in public

is this band/album too normie for the rest of the 1975 cru?

tim f is a fan of the devil and god iirc

i have a new favorite every night. this album gives and gives. listening to new music from this band (my favorite in high school/early college 10 years ago) when it's THIS GOOD fills me with a unique sort of nostalgia. or a sense of completeness/closure, idk

kev you should check out
thread of best rock album of year 2017, 'a black mile to the surface' by manchester orchestra

ha yeah i remember digging manchester orchestra a little back in the day, they toured with brand new at least once iirc. ill give it a spin

yeah I saw them together around 2009

first time I listened to the intro to SF I was afraid Jesse had gone full Tom Delonge

and then the first few strums of Can't Get Out had me thinking he'd gone full Jeff Mangum

jesse is an obsessive NMH fan, if you heard something it's quite possibly intentional

I THOUGHT I WAS A CREATOR
NOW I'M JUST HANGING AROUND
GOT MY MESSIAH IMPRESSION
YEAH THINK I GOT IT NAILED DOWN

otm

cool show last night at the worst venue ever. jesse said we're gonna see them a couple more times in the next 14 months in chicago, whatever that means

I only just caught the "nailed down" pun lol

+ hangin around

i just realized that the reason "i am a nightmare" is so awesome is because it's basically a gaslight anthem song

The show was amazing tonight but two notes 1) Jessie clearly hates deja ententu only played two songs from it and before sic transit he sarcastically said “the hit song” 2) I think he’s super depressed? I mean the new material is bleak af he’s playing lots of daisy not really engaging with the audience lots of dark imagery of soldiers in the background. But great show. But I hope he’s okay.

honestly that was one of my first thoughts when I first heard the new album

he’s playing lots of daisy

is this a euphemism for.. drugs?

the album

lol i don't know the first thing about their catalogue other than having sic transit gloria on a burned cdr in high school. checking out the 'devil and jesus' album u guys were talking about rn tho

flopson!

starting my emo phase late at 26

haha i just listened to YFW -> DE -> 2006 all in succession on a car ride last night and it brought be straight back to high school, screaming out all the lyrics in the car alone. if you like the new album i'd start with devil and god and then work backwards to see how much you can stomach. the old stuff is good for what it is (music for kids) but it's not something i can really imagine listening to all the time anymore

this new album has pretty much cemented brand new as one of my all-time favorite bands tho, or at least made me a little more willing to say that in public lol

2006 demos, i mean

JUST JEALOUS CAUSE WERE YOUNG AND IN LOVE

starting my emo phase late at 26

I did this too and I recommend it highly

i've been thinking about what my brand new POX would be and i'm not ready for the full list yet, but after listening to the old stuff last night (and TDAG a couple of times last week) i think these are probably safe

soco amaretto lime
the boy who blocked his own shot
jesus christ
in the water
batter up

Kev and Flopson you missed out on the emo poll.

(the rest will be from TDAG and on)

xp spottie i really never dove deep enough into enough back in the day to have a truly informed vote, i was more into rap at that point in my life

Yah I was heavy into both in my early-mid 20s

i listened to 3 emo albums in my life at present, including this one lol

i loved atdi in hs but ito rock shit i was p much excluse the 'garage' scene (broadly defined) in my early twenties, no regrets as i had the time of my life playing and going to shows twice a week. the only ppl i knew into emo then were more about the mathy/post-hardcore end of it; i think i wasn't fully aware of how fully good emo bangs as conventional rock music

i havent listened to much "emo" music in like a decade, so maybe the scene itself has changed, but if science fiction is seen as an emo album it probably has more to do with the band's historic association with that scene than it does with the actual music

i mean this is just a rock album

it's post-emo

chorus of same logic is straight emo imo

yeah there's some touches for sure

JUST JEALOUS CAUSE WERE YOUNG AND IN LOVE

another note from the show - lacey played 'soco amaretto lime' but changed the lyrics from "you're just jealous cause were young and in love" to "i'm just jealous cause you're young and in love"

the enunciation of the "boy we gave you every opportunity" part is super emo

JUST JEALOUS CAUSE WERE YOUNG AND IN LOVE

another note from the show - lacey played 'soco amaretto lime' but changed the lyrics from "you're just jealous cause were young and in love" to "i'm just jealous cause you're young and in love"

― Mordy, Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:01 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i noticed this from a youtube recently, i like the change. also on a mostly unrelated note he sings "i am paid to make you boys panic while i sing" in "spin light" these days -- i get the feeling he realizes some of his earlier lyrics were kind of, to use a contemporary term, a little problematic

it was just striking to me along w/ the other stuff that it's a much darker more pessimistic gloomy take

yeah no idea what kind of place jesse is in but he's always been outwardly pretty troubled

the old stuff is good for what it is (music for kids) but it's not something i can really imagine listening to all the time anymore

fwiw i understand why you and presumably lacey feel this way but i think deja entendu continues to contain some of their most direct, affecting + memorable work. but i never think that "music for kids" is necessarily a limitation on popular music (i still listen to pet sounds too)

there were signs all over the venue when you entered that said that there would be no crowd surfing at the show and anyone who crowd surfed would get ejected. when the concert started the band played the first few songs behind a gate/fence that spanned the entire length of the stage like they were in jail. i was thinking "oh my god he is so freaked out about the audience he is playing behind a gate now" but it lifted after the first few songs i felt whew

sort of feel like if i were a band of brand new's popularity i'd be performing behind something bulletproof

Jesse Lacey threw his guitar last night. What an icon pic.twitter.com/gqCdo9Y1Ud

— Thiqq Goth GF (@valisneckdeep) October 22, 2017

Lets all go and meet our maker
Won't matter whose side you're on
We're so afraid, I prayed and prayed
When God told me to love the bomb
https://i.imgur.com/fwoNXZm.jpg

so this is looking pretty much like my aoty and unlikely to be dethroned

same

yep

Not there yet but I might have to resign to the fact that come December, this will be true for me as well. Pacing in that direction.

*dreams of Brand New winning the EOY poll*

Will def be a top 5

my new favorite part of this album is the solo in “137”

The guitar solo in "137" is the most glorious musical moment of 2017.

― ArchCarrier, Friday, October 6, 2017 11:47 AM (four weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah that whole song is great but I'm always waiting for that bit.

The album is currently my 2nd-favourite of the year behind Paramore.

both will be in my top 5 as well for sure

so

https://www.facebook.com/briankeithdiaz/posts/10155933792623552

pete wentz prob has an upcoming reckoning too

yeahhhh

sigh

i was aware jesse was an asshole for 1000 years but not that much of one

Brand New is cancelled and I'm here to remind you that you can't separate the art from the artist. pic.twitter.com/aa8SmJkA4z

— Autumn Lavis (@AutumnLavis) November 10, 2017

oh that's contained in the facebook thread. sorry.

lesser light

i like the music but this guy wears patagonia hats ppl

well damn :/

i’ve been flagging more posts than usual today

it’s almost always some asshole making a joke out of sexual assault

https://www.facebook.com/BrandNew/posts/10155923794753023

jesse basically admits to it without actually addressing it

don't recommend the comments

Felt like some of the powers that be were dragging their feet about permanently writing these guys off, but those new allegations should be the nail in the coffin. Truly horrific.

There was some other Warped Tour band a few years back accused of some similar grooming, right? Can't remember which one they were, but it makes me wonder if this is a trend that's particularly common in this scene. Seems like a toxic confluence of technology/fan access + song subject matter perfect for drawing/earning the trust and sympathies of vulnerable young fans. It recasts the band's entire discography in a sinister light, knowing that their albums were effectively a trap used to lure victims.

It recasts the band's entire discography in a sinister light, knowing that their albums were effectively a trap used to lure victims.

i think this is a weird conclusion to arrive at but it sure is popular

anyway yes this band is basically dead to me

http://flavorwire.com/528083/pop-punk-keeps-forgiving-sexual-harassers-to-the-detriment-of-its-teen-girl-fanbase

Great piece. Also this one from 2015 hints at how vast the scope of the problem is: https://medium.com/cuepoint/warped-behavior-sexual-violence-on-tour-8ad218d50bc9

Gotta imagine there's a reckoning coming. How many dozens of bands must have known this stuff went on and turned a blind eye to it?

i was once at a green day show when i was about 15, i was getting a ride home from these friends of a friend's older brother and they were huge nerds who wanted to stay and meet the band afterwards, which i wasn't really interested in but they were my ride home. tre cool (who would've been late 20s at the time) spent the whole time trying to convince a 15/16 year old girl to get on the tour bus with him, and pulled his cock out at some stage with some really flimsy pretext.

jesus fucking christ

When I was in university taking a shuttle bus between campuses, I randomly overheard a girl (roughly my age at the time so I'd say 18-20) talking about how she'd had sex with someone from GD after a show. That's pretty second-hand, obviously, but it's always stayed with me.

Have other band members responded yet?

Not that I've seen.

I finally brought myself to read the Pitchfork piece and jfc

If anyone ever wants to write a piece about #MeToo and artist fandom, which someone probably should, they'd do well to start with the wildly divergent (and still-unraveling) reactions on the Brand New subreddit.

can't bring myself to read that tbh. used to be a part of the brand new online fan community as a teenager and those people are nuts

sort of hate myself for loving this record as much as I do. but maybe that's what brand new's music is about, and why it speaks to me so much -- so much of it deals in guilt, self-loathing...it feels very earned.

October 2018? hell yeah