ILM-hated bands you secretly - or openly

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For instance, I can't see how anyone can possibly dislike Kings of Leon's album. Has anyone actually heard it?? "Trani" and "Joe's Head" are pretty close to being masterpieces, IMHO. i also can't understand all the Darkness hatred (come on! "Friday Night" rulz!)

I'm with yall 100% on hating Conor Oberst, post-Whiskeytwon Ryan Adams, and Dave Matthews. But not the fucking Darkness. Not Kings of Leon. Mayber you've noticed I also avoid the Vincent Gallo / St Anger / Korn bashing.

Share yr secrets

― roger adultery, Saturday, 29 November 2003 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I've seen more tolerance for the fondling Darkness here than I could stand--if that's a secret.

― nestmanso (nestmanso), Saturday, 29 November 2003 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah Darkness is controversial but not unloved.

Even the other ppl here who like pop seem to hate Busted. But I think they're a Good Thing if a bit embarrassing on occasion.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Saturday, 29 November 2003 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

indie

― the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 29 November 2003 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the Darkness are pretty damn indefensible....just a one-joke, slackjawed pisstake. Ick.

That said, I don't think there are any bands/artists that are loathed by the entirety of ILM. There's always someone who is bound to chime in and defend that which seems impossible for any sane individual to stomach (hello, Good Charlotte fans!)

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 29 November 2003 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm...interesting proposition. Is there an artist / band that NO ONE on ILM likes even a little? Surely there are no fans of Kenny G, Kitaro, the aformentioned Good Charlotte, or Branford Marsalis here, right?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 29 November 2003 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Conor Oberst (or at least Bright Eyes). I love Radiohead, and I get really sick of all the Radiohead haters.

― Debito (Debito), Saturday, 29 November 2003 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

THE DIVINE COMEDY!!!! I can tolerate Bright Eyes and Ryan Adams in small doses, too. Blur, though admitidely I can see why ppl would hate 'em more now than before I discovered ILM. New Outkast.

Anyway, on "Promenade", there's a six minute track called "The Book Lovers" which consists entirely of Neil Hannon naming his favourite authors. It's really funny, because it starts out like "well, I say, I read Flaubert! Ph34r my sophistication!", but by the time he gets to the end of it he's namedropping Breat Easton Ellis and Salman Rushdie, which is pretty much giving up and coming out as the literary equivalent of those mythical seven CDs per year types. It's great. I know it by heart.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 29 November 2003 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i have a soft spot for neil hannon

― the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 29 November 2003 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the Flaming Lips and i don't care who knows it.

― Pete S, Saturday, 29 November 2003 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I LOVE TURIN BRAKES!

― jed (jed_e_3), Saturday, 29 November 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think there is any stigma attached to liking the Flaming Lips that's worth paying attention to.

As regards The Darkness, I saw the video for their Christmas single for the first time this morning, and if you can't appreciate the comedy of it you have a soul made of anthracite.

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 29 November 2003 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread is useful.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 29 November 2003 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Kajagoogoo.

― sucka (sucka), Saturday, 29 November 2003 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

..."anthracite"?

― jed (jed_e_3), Saturday, 29 November 2003 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like coal but more, um, fake-ass or something

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 29 November 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

G-B-V! G-B-V! :)

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 29 November 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and Oasis!...which seems to be hated pretty much everywhere, despite having among their supporters, a small, tight bunch 'round these parts.

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 29 November 2003 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I like:
Bright Eyes and a lot of the Anticon stuff, which is generally hated thoroughly upon here...

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Saturday, 29 November 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay Smashing Pumpkins. But you knew that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 29 November 2003 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay Gomez. But you knew that.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 29 November 2003 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay Tori Amos. But you knew that.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 29 November 2003 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Coldplay.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 29 November 2003 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely there are no fans of Kenny G, Kitaro, the aformentioned Good Charlotte, or Branford Marsalis here, right?

surely, you know mr. miccio? (he def. likes good charlotte.)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 29 November 2003 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Coldplay.

No yay?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 29 November 2003 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Good Charlotte.

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 29 November 2003 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the Darkness rock hard. His voice is so good that the kitch doesn't really matter at all. Plus, the video, where they fight aliens with lasers they shoot out of their guitars, come fucking on, that was awesome.

― David Allen, Saturday, 29 November 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

His voice is so good

Hm.

Plus, the video, where they fight aliens with lasers they shoot out of their guitars, come fucking on, that was awesome.

Ace Frehley's laser eyes or nothing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 29 November 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Coldplay quite a bit. The widespread loathing for them (especially as encapsulated/justified in that one wildly solipsistic Lynskey post awhile back) is totally incomprehensible to me.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 29 November 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

A lot of ILM-hated bands I sort of like, in that I hate the adulation some of them receive elsewhere and can understand the hatred here - but still find the music tolerable. Coldplay, Ryan Adams, Radiohead... I'd never waste energy trying to defend any of them, they're mostly mediocre, but I have a little time for them.

Ryan Adams always seems to me like the male Sheryl Crow.

― The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 29 November 2003 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

http://hipsterdetritus.blogspot.com/elpicon.JPG

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 29 November 2003 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

what was the verdict on a.r.e. weapons again?

― bad jode (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 29 November 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I think plenty of folx here love A.R.E. I know me, Phil-Two and Chuck E do.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 29 November 2003 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't say love. but I like some Santana that even the Santana defenders here do not defend (that is, the two big hits from Supernatural).

― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 29 November 2003 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, but do you love "i'm winning"?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 29 November 2003 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know it, actually.

― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 29 November 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

to know it is to hate it

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 29 November 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I love A.R.E.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 29 November 2003 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Coldplay, Tortoise

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 29 November 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

There's some people here that hate the Flaming Lips? WHY???

I also enjoy the Dave Matthews Band.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 29 November 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails, Tori Amos, and some of those Evanescence songs aren't so bad. Also, ABBA, Neil Diamond, & everything Ben Gibbard does.

― peanut (peanut), Saturday, 29 November 2003 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

abba, ilm-hated. hauhaauhauhauaa

― Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Saturday, 29 November 2003 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

The Darkness are a great band for instance. And this comes from a guy with very highbrow tastes so I can afford to like whoever I please...

that said it's difficult to predict which bands ILM will or won't like. They have a soft spot for several ultra-commercial acts that in any other forum would at best attract mockery but on the other hand, with honestly no apparent reason, they despise some other equally ultra-commercial/blatantly mainstream stuff.

Maybe that's the reason I love this place :-)

― Vaudevillian007, Saturday, 29 November 2003 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails, Tori Amos

Not hated, but happily debated (or S/D, depending on mood) for the next 200 posts....

LOVE them all, BTW....

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Saturday, 29 November 2003 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

abba, ilm-hated. hauhaauhauhauaa

I certainly hate that Mamma Mia piece of shit. But not the band.

― peanut (peanut), Saturday, 29 November 2003 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I ALSO LOVE TURIN BRAKES. Tortoise and Smashing Pumpkins as well.

― derrick (derrick), Saturday, 29 November 2003 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I like MC Paul Barman. And Ugly Duckling. And Dead Prez.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 29 November 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

(actually, are they still hated on ILM since the majority of the hip-hop stasi has vanished off the site now?)

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 29 November 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I like A.R.E, too, and Siamese Dream is easily one of my five favorite records of all time.

― roger adultery, Saturday, 29 November 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

siamese dream is mayonnaise. get gish, please. and maybe the double album, what was it called again?

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Saturday, 29 November 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I like some Lips' songs but they are eminently hateable i.e. the whole raspy voiced, wided eyed act like a 6 year old sorta thing. And Ryan Adam's Heartbreaker is as good as anything Whiskeytown recorded. Maybe a more interesting question is why some artists people seem to actively hate instead of just ignoring them. I mean I don't like most of the 80's brit-pop which a lot of "ILM" loves, but I don't feel the need to rip on them or their fans constantly (okay, I do it once in awhile, but I always feel like a jerk afterwards).

― bnw., Saturday, 29 November 2003 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't like most of the 80's brit-pop which a lot of "ILM" loves
me neither but somehow against my intuition i trust some ilm'ers (hello dr. c) against my will and buy things like abc's lexicon of love which has one or two decent songs but really is a complete pompous waste. and this makes me angry against myself. why the fuck don't i trust myself and why do i always want to broaden my perspective?

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Saturday, 29 November 2003 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry don't take me serious tonight, somehow i'm in a bad mood.

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Saturday, 29 November 2003 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i personally love the Pumpkins and NIN in their best moments, though those aren't really the bands that get the most hate around here. The Radiohead hate is just annoying, seems people just love being contrarian by dissing them. Coldplay and Bright Eyes probably deserve all the hate they get (just for being so damned toothless and uninspired). For some reason I have this bizarre hetero-man crush on Conor Oberst, even though I don't give a shit about his music.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 29 November 2003 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I probably shouldn't have mentioned that last part...sorry everybody.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 29 November 2003 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and Ryan Adams must die.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 29 November 2003 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

When talking about hating the Flaming Lips, don't you need to distinguish between the pre and post Priest Driven Ambulance band? Pre = promising but underproduced. Post = past prime and overproduced. Very similar to Swans pre and post Children of God. I.e. people have different reasons for hating the band depending on what stage you're discussing.

(Too bad the Lips didn't put out a stunning semi-bootleg live album right after Priest Driven.)

― dlp9001, Saturday, 29 November 2003 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

latebloomer, you feel that way towards Oberst for the same reason some hetero friends of mine get goo-goo over Johny Depp - because he looks like a fucking woman. Period. Oberst is cuter than Justine Frishmann, for that look. Personally, I'm more of a Dyanne Thorne kinda guy.

Anyway, no one has explained the Kings of Leon hatred yet. I suspect it's because most of you couldn't get past their admittedly ridiculous bio and painfully vintage duds to actually listen to their kickass album.

― roger adultery, Saturday, 29 November 2003 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I love that ILM hates some of my faves. It makes me look at what it is about the bands that ~~others are missing~~ I'm not seeing, helps me reevaluate. I don't mean I'll go with the ILM crowd every time (shudders), but if I've somehow been uncritical or blinkered, it's good to get a jolt now and then.

I still love Sigur Rós, f'rinstance, despite fairly intense ILM hate, but this place has made me take another look at, say, the Clash (unquestioning devotion a lot more tempered now by their apparent canonisation everywhere else, and by some of their contradictions I once chose to wilfully ignore). Even Nirvana, who I still play regularly and love, have been rocked atop that particular pedestal. You know, maybe Nevermind wasn't the greatest album of the '90s after all... ;)

Not that the bands themselves should be blamed, of course.

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 30 November 2003 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i listened to the kings of leon record, it was more goofy than kick-ass.

― keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 30 November 2003 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I still love Sigur Rós, f'rinstance, despite fairly intense ILM hate, but this place has made me take another look at, say, the Clash (unquestioning devotion a lot more tempered now by their apparent canonisation everywhere else, and by some of their contradictions I once chose to wilfully ignore). Even Nirvana, who I still play regularly and love, have been rocked atop that particular pedestal. You know, maybe Nevermind wasn't the greatest album of the '90s after all... ;)

This scares me...
"Thank you ILM for letting me realize I should second-guess some things I now enjoy!"

― ddrake, Sunday, 30 November 2003 05:34 (twenty-one years ago)

moldy peaches

― steve, Sunday, 30 November 2003 05:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i knew i was forgetting something!

blonde redhead, love 'em to bits.

― typo acapulco (gcannon), Sunday, 30 November 2003 06:15 (twenty-one years ago)

everyone here loves blonde redhead, despite their crapness.

― keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 30 November 2003 06:58 (twenty-one years ago)

You can't stop me from loving Sigur Ros.

― Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Sunday, 30 November 2003 07:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Roger Adultery, by illuminating the reasons for my Oberst fixation, you have triumphantly reaffirmed my masculinity. I will now go outside, kill and skin a deer and eat the flesh raw;)

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 30 November 2003 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Radiohead, though Hail to the Thief disappointed me somewhat and, to be honest, I haven't listened to OK Computer in god knows how long, much less the Bends. Also, Wilco, ESPECIALLY Yankee Hotel Foxtrot!

I really like Sigur Ros, too, though I'll reluctantly concede they're a one-trick pony (but, hey, it's a damn-cool trick).

Oh, and I adore Astral Weeks. *ducks*

― Josh Timmermann (Josh Timmermann), Sunday, 30 November 2003 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Midnight Oil... well they're not really ILM-hated, just ignored a lot, which seems a touch odd to me. Maybe I missed all those Oils C/D S/D POX threads while I was at work or something. I hate to start any myself, since they'll only get two answers anyway.

― Poppy (poppy), Sunday, 30 November 2003 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

**but somehow against my intuition i trust some ilm'ers (hello dr. c) against my will**

b-but we never agree on *anything*, Alex ! For example....

**and buy things like abc's lexicon of love which has one or two decent songs but really is a complete pompous waste**

not enough acoustic guitars, eh? ;) Soon you will agree - it's the greatest album ever made!

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Sunday, 30 November 2003 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"Thank you ILM for letting me realize I should second-guess some things I now enjoy!"

Yeah, that would be scary. However, the quotes and the words are entirely yours, since that is really, really far from what I was saying.

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 30 November 2003 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Last night whilst watching some crap on the telly, I realised that the Fun Lovin' Criminals had a couple of good songs. I wouldn't go so far as to say I loved them, but I think they are a teensy bit over-maligned (is that a word?).

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 30 November 2003 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Coldplay quite a bit. The widespread loathing for them (especially as encapsulated/justified in that one wildly solipsistic Lynskey post awhile back) is totally incomprehensible to me.

I don't like Coldplay but I was mystified by the response to that nonsense aswell.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 30 November 2003 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i too love Astral Weeks.

Coldplay makes for a thoroughly enjoyable listen.

― Debito (Debito), Sunday, 30 November 2003 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Coldplay, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club and Yes.
And I think that Radiohead, Smashing Pumpkins and Nine Inch Nails have in ILM more fans than detractors.

― JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Sunday, 30 November 2003 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the Ataris!

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 30 November 2003 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

so the Kings of Leon bio is bullshit? (yes, I'm out of the loop) I heard them for the first time last week and found them enjoyable. I'm not exactly dying to drop full price on their disc yet, but...

and this makes me angry against myself. why the fuck don't i trust myself and why do i always want to broaden my perspective?

hahahahaaa!! thanks, man. very much otm, unfortunately.

― Will (will), Sunday, 30 November 2003 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

at first, coldplay just bored me. then, i happened to listen to a good bit of their songs and realized that not only were they not boring or bad, they were actually pretty good. they are pretty radiohead-esque, but i like radiohead (see the "it's derivative but i like it anyway" thread). i also like the eels, who get thumped on a bit around here. maybe there's a connection?

and there are no small # of sigur ros fans hereabouts. there are also no small # of sigur ros haters (and i proudly count myself among them), but it isn't true that they're universally loathed by ILMers.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 30 November 2003 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

since that is really, really far from what I was saying.

If you say so...it sounded to me like you said "I loved the Clash, I came to ILM, now I like the clash."

― ddrake, Sunday, 30 November 2003 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

PS: ILM hates Astral Weeks!?

― ddrake, Sunday, 30 November 2003 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Mansun, Princess Superstar, Paul Barman.

― kinski (kinski), Sunday, 30 November 2003 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Mansun! Well, their first two albums, anyway. Well, their first album and little bits of their second album.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 30 November 2003 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

If you say so...it sounded to me like you said "I loved the Clash, I came to ILM, now I like the clash."

But he didn't. He said it made him question/reconsider what it was that he liked about them (and extrapolating a bit, I wonder if it's specifically the mystique/low-class/"authenticity/all that other hogwash external to the music). This is very much a good thing -- I do it regularly (though normally without ILM's doing) as it helps me to define what it is I like about an artist/song/album.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Sunday, 30 November 2003 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, all right then.

I still don't understand how people can dislike Astral Weeks though.

― ddrake, Sunday, 30 November 2003 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Yanc3y OTM with all that external stuff.

I was just using the Clash as an example of how a large music community can help you reevaluate a band/artist who may once have been above reproach for you (I'm using the "royal you").

It doesn't have to be ILM, specifically, but where in real life are you gonna get such a vast, disparate group of fanatics and dilettantes at your fingertips, unless you work in the industry (even then)?

I think it's fascinating. It would indeed be scary if I were so impressionable as to go from love to like with every band who received some negative scrutiny on ILM, but the Sigur Rós example counteracts that. Josh Timmerman's assessment of them sums it up. Perhaps I should've realized myself that they were a one-trick pony, but it took a few discussions on ILM (hey, I'm a slow learner), and even accepting that (fair) verdict, I still love their sound as much as I ever did (limited as it may be).

Plus, even with the Clash, I don't enjoy their music any less. I think it's an issue of reverence or something along those lines.

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 30 November 2003 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I like John Mayer's Heavier Things album which is discussed (and hated on by ILM) here:
new John Mayer - Heavier Things

― A Nairn (moretap), Sunday, 30 November 2003 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

PS: ILM hates Astral Weeks!?

Bashing Astral Weeks seemed rather in vogue recently.

― Debito (Debito), Sunday, 30 November 2003 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Putting on my wife's copy of Astral Weeks right now. 19 seconds into it, and I'm still as unenthused about the man's voice as I've always been.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 30 November 2003 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I donno how that's possible...his voice enfuses the music with so much energy...
Astral Weeks is the boooomb baby.

― ddrake, Sunday, 30 November 2003 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever. I don't wish ill on the man (well,....not really,....no honest), but I just enjoy his voice. Is it me, or did U2 sonically allude to the title track here in "All i Want is You"?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 30 November 2003 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus, the climax of "Beside You" is the most self-indulgent session of wobbly warbling I've heard in a damn long time. Oops, the wife just turned up "Sweet Thing". Time for a beer, then.

Why are all these songs so fucking long?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 30 November 2003 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Astral Weeks...and the first two Gomez records...and the occasional Coldplay song (very occasional)...and Dave Matthews Band's "Crash Into You" (albeit nothing else)...I'm listening to a Bruce Springsteen radio broadcast from 1975 (back when he had an actual sense of humor,) and I don't care who knows it. God-damn!

― M Specktor (M Specktor), Sunday, 30 November 2003 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus Christ, we're 4:27 seconds into "Cyprus Avenue," and I'm feeling positively sea-sick. How do people honestly enjoy this piffle? My wife is singing along....THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN? SWEET LORD THERE IS NO WAY OUT! THIS IS THE END!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 30 November 2003 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I see this disc becoming a coaster with all speed.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 30 November 2003 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

but I just enjoy his voice

There should've been a "don't" in there, obviously. Okay onto the next track...."The Way Young Lovers Do," which was covered by the late Jeff Buckley (voice of an angel, swimming skills of an anvil). Wow...horns.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 30 November 2003 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, this track is just coherent enough to let slide, although those horns are sorta 60's game-showish.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 30 November 2003 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Waist deep into track #7 now ("ballerina"?). The wife is singing along as emphatically as I've ever seen her do. I'm barely repressing the urge to wrench the disc out of the player, dip it in salsa and take a fuckin' bite out of it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 30 November 2003 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmmm....seems I've hijacked this thread somewhat. Sorry `bout that. Suffice to say, I've heard people cite Astral Weeks as....er...spiritually akin to Spirit of Eden by Talk Talk. Lemme say this. Spirit of Eden is so unquantifiably superior to this shouty mess that it defies all semblance of logic. Mark Hollis may have his odd vocal ticks, but he at least is familiar with the concept of restraint.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 30 November 2003 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex...I dunno what to say (and after all I've already said, you may take this with a grain of salt,) but I reckon you're just...listening without hearing the damn thing. Which doesn't mean you should try harder (and if you hate Van Morrison period you should probably just let it lie,) but--another day, maybe. For me, the key to the whole damn thing is Richard Davis' bass-playing, which lends a certain buoyancy throughout. As well as the violins on "Cypress Avenue," which sound to me like early Spiritualized. (Vice versa, more like.) I hated this record, once, at a time when I was young enough to dislike jazz, say, in general. Then I figured it out (a rather arcane way to put it--implying it needs "figuring," which it doesn't,) and thought, well, it's one of the greatest records ever made. I don't love Van's other records--most of them--to this very day. His voice, though, is the least of it. The pleasure of this record is in the whole, not the parts...

I suspect I'm preaching to the never-to-be-converted, however...

― M Specktor (M Specktor), Sunday, 30 November 2003 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i luv astral weeks but 'dude you're just not hearing it right' is such a lame rebuttal

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 1 December 2003 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it hinges on whether you like the man's voice, and, as the weak rebuttals to xgau's ted leo "slam" done shown us, there isn't a really strong rebuttal to 'i don't like his/her voice'

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 1 December 2003 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i own several turin brakes records. i have almost the entire coldplay discography up to but not including the "rush of blood" album. i own every radiohead single and think that they are likely the best b-sides band ever. i own more tweepop records than most people would imagine even exists. but that's about it really.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 1 December 2003 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

In what way a 'lame rebuttal' exactly? Perhaps I should suggest Alex is a tin-eared pinhead without taste or knowledge (despite ample evidence to the contrary?) 'sides which, it ain't what I said: "listening without hearing" being distinct from "not hearing it right." "Dude that's a lame rebuttal" is itself...well, a lame rebuttal.

As you say in yr subsequent post, perhaps a "slam" (not what I was aiming for) is not available. Thankfully...

― m. specktor, Monday, 1 December 2003 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Spirit of Eden is so unquantifiably superior to this shouty mess that it defies all semblance of logic.

I'll go with that. Maybe not as strongly but hey (my fave Van Morrison is still the Bang outtakes 'I break contract now' collection).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 December 2003 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the general consensus on Jimi Tenor around here is negative.

I don't care...I like him.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 1 December 2003 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

umm, no one man enough to admit they like wilco? well i am.
surely they are over-rated, but still damn good

― todd swiss (eliti), Monday, 1 December 2003 07:47 (twenty-one years ago)

my fave Van Morrison is still the Bang outtakes 'I break contract now' collection

that's the one with "tb sheets," innit? "tb sheets" = the most mawkish song ever; "mcarthur park" is the essence of restraint in comparison therewith.

oh yeah, i love astral weeks. haven't listened to it in years, but i still loves it.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 1 December 2003 08:18 (twenty-one years ago)

No, he means the one with "twist and shake" and "Nose in your blow" and "You say france and I whistle" and "Here comes dumb george" and "pretty freaky if you got this far"

Me too.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 1 December 2003 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Travis an ILM hated band?

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 1 December 2003 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

yes

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 1 December 2003 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

INSANE CLOWN POSSE

I win.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 1 December 2003 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know Dan, I like BUCKETHEAD and PRIMUS. I like MR. BUNGLE and PHISH. I like ANI DIFRANCO.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 1 December 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely there is possibility of my candidacy for "winner" status.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 1 December 2003 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I think we need a seperate opinion here.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 1 December 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Tim Finney likes Ani DiFranco so you are not only not alone, you are approved by one of the board gurus!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 December 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Coldplay, Kings of Convenience, Sigur Ros, I too love Astral Weeks, Turin Brakes, Jeff Buckley

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Monday, 1 December 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I like some Ani as well.

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Monday, 1 December 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha "ani" = "more than one anus"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 1 December 2003 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Anus DiFranco

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Monday, 1 December 2003 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I got the new Rancid cd. It's fun. Really fun. Oh, I still like the Clash too.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 1 December 2003 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Wilco too and if I remember well YHF scored pretty high on the ILM end-of-year thing. I'll say Zappa and Joni Mitchell, although there are a few fans scattered around here

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Monday, 1 December 2003 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

The Darkness annoy the piss out of me for the most part, but "Growing on Me" is easily one of my favorite songs all year.

― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Monday, 1 December 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know why people are still posting to this thread!

I LIKE INSANE CLOWN POSSE!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 1 December 2003 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, but is anybody gonna come out and defend Rammstein?

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Monday, 1 December 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Laibach to thread,

― bnw (bnw), Monday, 1 December 2003 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

!!! People have said negative things about Laibach?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 1 December 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll defend Rammstein. They're fun! They're like if the Dallas Cowboys offensive team had a goth singalong.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Jeff Buckley is a good example. Are Kent loathed?

― kinski (kinski), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.empirearms.com/nugent.jpg

― brg30 (brg30), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Is there anyone else here who love love LOVES "Madame George" but doesn't really give a shit about any of the other songs on Astral Weeks?

Anyway, as for the thread topic, I'd mention someone like James Taylor or Jordie or These Animal Men, but then someone really hardcore will come along and expose me as the dilettante I really am.

And I'm not a big Kajagoogoo fan, but Limahl's "Never Ending Story" is one of my favorite records.

― Arthur (Arthur), Monday, 1 December 2003 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, Travis then. Best current band there is! :)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I can spell dilettante right, but not Jordy. Figures.

― Arthur (Arthur), Monday, 1 December 2003 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

HIM

― kinski (kinski), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

HIM rocks! (or should that be Him rock?)

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The only time the wolves decended upon one of my posts was about liking that record from The D4. It is big dumb rock, but I liked the album OK.

Love is a strong word. I suppose the only couple of bands that I really love that people have slagged around these parts are Tortoise and Shellac. Those two bands mean something to me and I have checked both out live a few times. I think alot of the trashing of Shellac is perhaps more aimed at Albini.

It is OK with me. I can't understand why people are so nutty about Vlad Delay (is Luomo really all that?) or Matthew Herbert or Pulp or Blur or bunches of music that I never got around to checking out. Many of the bands that end up with these really lenghty diatriabes, I haven't heard anyway or really don't see checking out.

I did ended up checking out Radio 4 and Interpol after checking out the slagging around here piqued my curiousity, got records by both, but cannot describe my interest in them as "love".

― earlnash, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

interpol, stephen malkmus, superchunk...

the surface noise OTM way upthread

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate all these bands. You're all dumb for liking them.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

wow mansun and HIM. Alex is my favourite ILMer

― kinski (kinski), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Does Mos Def count? How about Belle and Sebastian?

― Shmuel (shmuel), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

tant #1: likes a lot of really undeniably great stuff like prince, the cure, depeche mode and outkast -- but he also likes INSANE CLOWN POSSE! (thereby negating all the positive vibes from the earlier-mentioned groups)

contestant #2: he's into smelly hippy music, circa 1995-2003.

contestant #3: name any god-awful talentless crap and he likes it. especially if band members of said groups have dumb tattoos and dumber red baseball caps (or, as anal cunt put it so well, music made by the "big pants bigger loser" crowd). name any absolutely sublime and undeniably great stuff, however, and he hates it.

i can't choose!!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Crowded House.

Geir's got my back I know.

― Hunter (Hunter), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 07:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Some of you are incredibly sensitive about people trashing your favourite bands. If Shellac got trashed on a regular basis round here, I think I'd have fucking noticed by now.

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Guided By Voices (including later albums)
Flaming Lips (especially later albums)

― The Spotlight Kid (kid), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

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