MF Doom?

"Where to start" is a bastard of a question considering he's got a hand in at least four albums this year (if you count the leaked Madvillainy). I made a comp recently of his best stuff (both producing and MCing from 1999-mid '03; not including Madvillainy or Viktor Vaughn Vaudeville Villain), and it goes like this:

king geedorah - fazers
monsta island czars - m.i.n.y.a.
mf doom - who you think i am ft. m.i.c.
king geedorah - fastlane ft. biolante
mf doom - go with the flow
m.i.c. - mic line
king geedorah - anti-matter ft. mf doom and mr. fantastik
mf doom - operation greenbacks
king geedorah - lockjaw ft. trunks
mf doom - i hear voices (part once)
king geedorah - next levels ft. lil' sci, id 4 winds & stahhr
mf doom - doomsday
king geedorah - the final hour ft. mf doom
m.i.c. - 1,2... 1,2
mf doom - gas drawls
m.i.c. - take control
mf doom - ? ft. kurious
m.i.c. - make it squash
king geedorah - krazy world ft. gigan
mf doom - tick, tick ft. mf grimm
m.i.c. - under pressure
mf doom - dead bent
king geedorah - the fine print

*Geedorah is an MF Doom alias, is why I'm all "huh?" when he has a King Geedorah track "ft. MF Doom".

its hilarious in reviews when they write that he only raps on two tracks. ALIASES YOU DUMBSHITS! he's on nearly every track. and two of the few he isn't on are my favorites "Krazy World" and "I Wonder"

the madvillian album is also superb.

and viktor vaughn.

can't wait for MM FOOD!!!!!!!

To use pitchfork as an example (sorry)-

...The King Geedorah project, unlike Doom's recent outing as Viktor Vaughn, finds MF almost exclusively behind the boards, comfortable with rocking the SP1200 and letting others turn out the mic. Only two tracks feature Doom rhyming, but at least one of them is an album highlight...

Now yeah i know PITCHFORK BLAH BLAH CLOWNS BLAH BLAH, but the kid loves the record, makes reference to past doom projects, and yet still he doesn't recognize MF DOOM'S GODDAMN VOICE.

there's a significant difference between saying an album has 2 songs with mf doom verses when its closer to 6 or 7.

its just shoddy writing, because his verses on "no snakes alive" and "the fine print" are fab!

Wouldn't you recognize, say, Willie Nelson singing if he went by the name Harvis Finkelwert?

Not to mention the fact that it's plausible that someone might use or collaborate with rappers/singers/etc. who sound rather a lot like they do. Why wouldn't you assume that Harvis Finkelwert isn't just a big Willie Nelson fan who sounds quite a lot like Willie?!?

Hey josh, I thought you were talking about me and I was all ready to be like "YOU BITCH, I have Operation Doomsday on vinyl and a homemade shirt that says 'I'm at where your sister went'!". And then I realized that I reviewed Viktor Vaughn and not King Geedorah. To be technical, MF Doom raps on, what, five songs on KG? Fazers and The Fine Print are far and away the standouts and Dumile's verse on 'Anti-Matter' is the toughest thing to come out this year, I think. "Doom with the hog's leg, straight up, New Yorkin'"

1) MF Doom "Operation: Greenbacks"
2) MF Doom "Dead Bent" (12" version)
3) Viktor Vaughn "Saliva"
4) MF Doom "Red And Gold"
5) MF Doom "Doomsday"
6) Viktor Vaughn "Lickupon"
7) King Geedorah "The Fine Print"
8) MF Doom ft. Kurious "?"
9) MF Doom "Hey!"
10) King Geedorah "Fazers"

But the new "Vaudeville Villain" album is his best overall. It has one of the best great:crap lyric ratios in recent memory. Tons of quotables. Best hip-hop album of 2003.

what's this about?

the Madvillian comes out today. i'll be at rasputins for lunch

"Smoke Ernie El's, drink Gin, last name, Baylor"

there's a new track making the rounds. i like it!

quasimotos 2nd album might appeal if you like doom. maybe edans primitive plus, too.

new album is looking good from what ive heard so far... i hope hes producing the bulk of it.

is there enough interest for an ANTICIPATING BORN LIKE THIS thread?

that's that is killing me. kinda like lynguistics by cunninlynguistics. the bass and guitar playing on it's so nuanced and sweet, almost african kinda.

I'm playing the shit out of the Born Like This sampler. This is easily my most anticipated release for the near future

i love the new album so far. sounds a bit diff to how he used to, not quite as playful, but still dope.

yeah that's that is great. I like the lack of autotune in the terrible singing bit at the end too

i ADORE this album. it should be on everyones best of 2009 list.

when does this come out??

RADIATED HUMANS EATING THE FLESH OF RADIATED HUMANS

yeah that's that is great. I like the lack of autotune in the terrible singing bit at the end too

that singing bit's like my favourite. not terrible at all.

is ghost only on one track on the lp? something i read a while ago made it sound like he'd thrown in some of the sessions they did, kinda abandoning the plans for a full record

DOPE

how are you guys hearing this?

nm

has he used the 'rectal hysterectomy' line before?

that singing bit's like my favourite. not terrible at all.

ya I mean his singing voice is terrible but it fits nicely with the vibe of the whole thing.

heh took a while to click that they're Doom samples in That's That.

the thom yorke remix sounds better on paper.

it sounds like a thom yorke remix. the four tet mixes put the vocals on a different bed of sounds but it still sounded good, this sounds a little jarring

it needs to be more minimal i think.

lool @ "Batty Boyz"

yeh wtf!??!??

the raekwon joint is mad srs

how many tracks from the ghost/doom album made it out last year or whenever that was still being mooted? cos i think the one on here is from those 'sessions'.

"Absolutely" and the Raekwon track kill.

This album scratches both my love of music and my super comicbook nerdom needs.

apparently the ghost/doom project is still in the works. :)

anyone know who empress sharhh is? i wondered if it was apani b but am not sure.

nm

album is too hi-fi. dude works best on shitty king geedorah beats.

i ADORE this album. it should be on everyones best of 2009 list.

― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2)

^^ yes

It's good and enjoyable, but not anywhere near what he's capable of.

i like him a good bit, but i can't seem to connect with him at all. his songs end up sounding the same to me :/ they sound good, but the same

album is too hi-fi. dude works best on shitty king geedorah beats.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, March 30, 2009 6:16 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i haven't really liked anything he's done since Operation:Doomsday (which was my favourite shit in the world in 99/00) cos it all sounds too hi-fi compared to that. guess this new one isn't gonna change that? :(

king geedorah and mmm food were mostly self produced and therefore also his best albums.

mmm food peters out towards the end though, but yeah, side 1 is killer. i think king geedorah is my favourite doom, overall.

i never liked the vv albums cos the beats were boring/too standard underground rap. madvillainy worked cos madlibs beats are kinda undernourished/crumbling too though doom just has an altogether more dilapidated approach to beats which is why his own self produced material works best.

ive a feeling anyone expecting BLT to be like the first taste of a whole new wave of new doom projects is gonna be let down. i dont think doom is really coming back, hes just getting a bit of pocket money.

Unfortunately I think ^^^ is totally OTM. The Doom of 2002, 2003 is gone for good it seems. I'm halfway through my first listen of Born Like This and liking it pretty well so far. My only complaint, and a very minor one at that, is that there seems to be more vocal samples of him talking in silly voices than direct rips from TV shows and comics. I mean, those are still there too, but in less amounts than I really like. His flow on "Gazillion Ear" is crazy good though.

i never liked the vv albums cos the beats were boring/too standard underground rap. madvillainy worked cos madlibs beats are kinda undernourished/crumbling too though doom just has an altogether more dilapidated approach to beats which is why his own self produced material works best.

― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:15 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

do you even know what the words you are typing mean?

king geedorah and mmm food were mostly self produced and therefore also his best albums.

― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:05 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

um, his debut?

Well, Vic Vaughan is by far my favorite. Dark and inventive. Normally I have a lot of time for Doom, but (esp. following lip syncing debacle) it's clear he's struggling for scraps. Some of these are 3 years old, the Rae beat has been used...5 times? Vaughan is mixed too high over old beats (suggesting he was barely in the studio) and there's no concept. 4/10.

c'mon that lip syncing thing was classic.

Yeah, but this recovered piece of shit is not.

it's all right, damn

Operation Doomsday > King Geedorah > MMM Food > Madvilliany > Born Like This > Danger Doom > Viktor Vaughn > VV2

er, weirdest ranking ever.

VV>OD>MMMF>KG>MV>DD>VV2>BLL

I'M GONNA CALL YOU DAVE MATTHEWS BECAUSE YOU'RE TRIPPING BILLIES

born like lis

this record is great. fuck you all?

the Rae beat has been used...5 times?

Eh, "UFO" is almost as much of a stock breakbeat as "Funky Drummer" or "Apache" or "Impeach the President". At that point, it's so much a part of the fabric of rap production that any "recycling" criticisms seem beyond the pale.

Rev otm criticizing that for being overused misses the point - u can bet he is plenty familiar w it & was using that break intentionally

the rae/ufo track is great. youd think it would sound tired, but it doesnt.

"do you even know what the words you are typing mean?"

you obviously dont.

"um, his debut?"

and his debut yeah. i forgot that one.

"Operation Doomsday > King Geedorah > MMM Food > Madvilliany > Born Like This > Danger Doom > Viktor Vaughn > VV2"

totally otm.

surprised at the hate for the first VV, up there with Geedorah & Madvillainy for me. the second one really is a stinker though, ugh.

It's always good to hear ESG's UFO. I never get tired of hearing it on hip hop records but the fact that it makes up one of the few outstanding tracks on BLT speaks volumes. The sample should just be there to throw newer shit into sharp relief. But the newer shit is just that . . . shit.

Also that Batty Boy track is piss poor. I can't work out what's worse, the suggestion that gay men should be battered with baseball bats or the will-this-do? delivery.

from what ive read doom just did this album cos the label was on his back. and cos he needed a bit of money. but even in spite of that, its still a good album. even when hes maybe not trying super hard, dooms still a really great writer.

And where is the source for that bit of journalism

I liked the first vv too

Operation Doomsday > Mr. Hood > Madvillainy > Bl_ck B_st_rds > VV1 > Geedorah > Ghostface's verse on The Mask/The Madvillainy Remix EPs/The Madlib remix of Sofa King/all that other shit > DangerDoom > Born Like This >>>> VV2.

Pretty much everything up until Madvillainy is a classic in his career though, while DD/BLT are still good.

I agree pretty much with that

And where is the source for that bit of journalism

― autogucci cru (deej), Thursday, 2 April 2009 00:16 (8 hours ago

Also that Batty Boy track is piss poor. I can't work out what's worse, the suggestion that gay men should be battered with baseball bats or the will-this-do? delivery.

― Doran, Wednesday, April 1, 2009 3:20 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I don't think you get the song.

And where is the source for that bit of journalism

― autogucci cru (deej), Thursday, 2 April 2009 00:16 (8 hours ago

― wilter, Wednesday, April 1, 2009 5:55 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

listing favorites is not journalism...

what?

I just wanted to know about the label-on-his-back story

Not to beat the overused beats thing into the ground, but some of the self produced tracks on this are just Doom phoning it in over beats that were on the Special Herbs & Spices series like 4 years ago.

oh nev mind xp

Also that Batty Boy track is piss poor. I can't work out what's worse, the suggestion that gay men should be battered with baseball bats or the will-this-do? delivery.

― Doran, Wednesday, April 1, 2009 3:20 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I don't think you get the song.

― chinese electrodribble torture (The Reverend), Wednesday, April 1, 2009 6:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

GET A BRAIN DORANS

batty = first rap slashfic?

hahahahaha

Nah

Thinking more of what they can't explore, like
the cartoon Donald Duck is giving fellatio on the floor
with Reed Richards, looking at The Thing's naked pictures

--Doc Octagon, 1996

very disturbed that it took you just 4 mins to come up with that

batty boys is a weird track, i'm still trying to work out what he's getting at there.

i don't know where this album is in the ranking of doom albums (i have doomsday, gheedorah, madvilliany, 2nd victor vaughn, some of the herbs and spices mixes) and i don't see why that's particularly important. just because it's his fifth best album or whatever ... a bit like complaining about led zep or black sabbath's fifth best, isn't it?

I'm aware of third person narratives etc. And I've been listening to Doom's stuff since about 2000, so I'm aware of what he does.

I just don't think there's that much there to 'get'. This isn't a bad album, just too dull, too lazy.

Dull and lazy? Maybe compared to Madvillain, but that was a collaboration....to my ears, Bazillion ear thru Rap Ambush and Microwave Mayo thru That's That represent near-perfect Doom...the samples might be old, but the lyrical flow is as dense as ever, so much so that I still pick out new couplets after listening to it 20ish times. If anything, its a rather inconsistant effort, but still as good as any hip-hop released in the last two years. And re: "Batty Boyz", if listened to in the context that its intended (Doom, supervillain, ranking on the homoeroticism of his competition),it is not offensive at all.

picking out the one time KRS-ONE says "GAY!!" is ridiculous.

I'm not threatening to wrap myself in a rainbow flag and set myself on fire outside Lex's offices (no, not McPherson's offices), I just think it's a bit lame, that's all. The KRS One comparison doesn't hold that much water.

Space Is The Place: Maybe I need to give it another listen - I didn't glean what you did from it but I should probably listen to it again. After all, the bugger did send me a natty, reversible DOOM mask through the post. It's the least I can do.

I hear "Batty Boyz" as a sendup of rap homophobia as much as anything.

I'd be with you, but there's no big "hey, i'm joking" sign anywhere. its message is left kind of ambiguous

i wish i was more comfortable with it because it's probably the second best song on the record after the one with kurius

I fucking love this:

Wrote this lyric in bed with a chick/She had the tightest grip around the head of myyyyy...

[lengthy instrumental bridge]

...Bic. Now can I my pen back?/Got no enemy; got no friend, black.

The big "hey, I'm joking" sign is that it's fucking about Batman and Robin.

(almost worded that very poorly)

I'm huge mf doom fan but for some reason I don't really feel a need to listen to this album I don't know why

The big "hey, I'm joking" sign is that it's fucking about Batman and Robin.

The big "hey, I'm joking" sign is that it's about Batman and Robin fucking.

I am enjoying this album. Rap Ambush is the one I've been playing the most - I listened to Ballskin and That's That about a hundred times each while looking forward to this thing releasing.

Ah, I see, Rev! I never figured that the whole thing was about Batman!

I can't tell if you are sarcasms or not.

i'm not. I thought it was just a bunch of gay jokes followed by some batman stuff in the second verse

he does include a semi-cryptic explanation too: "There's gay choice/no hate debate/becomes a problem when they try to go straight/and raise the monster rate in the whole population/its starting to affect the super-pimpin occupation"

but my favorite line has to be:

"More rhymin/pure diamond/tore hymen/poor timin'/raw linin/Paul Simon tourin?/I'm in!"

i'm not. I thought it was just a bunch of gay jokes followed by some batman stuff in the second verse

― splattergories (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:44 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

THE BEAT IS A BATMAN SAMPLE

Also, it's really funny to me that Vast Aire's last album had a track where he's Batman. I don't think this is intended as a Vast dis, though, since they're pretty tight as far as I know.

Listening to "Batty-Boys" again, and I'm still really uncomfortable with it. I don't sense any wink or irony it it.

Same...

You know, I think the trick is to remember that he is a character. Doom is the SUPERVILLAIN.

And villains naturally would chill in their underground lairs making gay jokes about superheroes who where tights

^^^money store

My expectations were way too high for this album.. oh well. I still like it, but I thought he was capable of the OK Computer of hiphop... whatever that's supposed to mean..

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8054/gqoe2.jpg

lol

^^^money store

― sugjust blaze (The Reverend), Saturday, April 4, 2009 5:55 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

not sure how i feel about this

but i respect that u r making innovative moves

oh shit, I can't believe I fucked that up, supposed to read "money house"

gettin my dollar stores and money houses mixed up :/

Vast Aire feat. Geechie Suede - The Dynamic Duo

listening to Goodie Mob right now, and Khujo - as usual - is much more poisonous and offensive than doom ever was in homophobia. And he's not even funny!

little confused by the Doom profile in the New Yorker this week. i mean, if you're gonna do something on Doom, why now? ok, so you can bitch about the current state of rap... but again, is Doom really the right stand in for the "Golden Era." very confusing.

i love Doom and the New Yorker but they should really stick to shit like this http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann?yrail

There are a couple funny parts though - Doom driving around LA (or being driven around by his driver who's named after the robot from Short Circuit) getting drunk instead of going to the studio and trying to write a rap about the chimp who killed his owner from the chimps perspective.

Also, excited to hear work's finally being done on another colab w/ Madlib.

Not a subscriber, so I only see an abstract at the moment. Sad, I'd like to read it.

http://www.eyeweekly.com/music/live%20eye/article/84317--doom-kool-haus-feb-25

I've had the "Rapp Snitch Knishes" beat in my head all day

what ever happened to Mr. Fantastik?

doo doodoo
doo doodoo
dee deedlydeedly
deeedly doo doo deedly

xpost And does he rap under another alias? Needs to put out his own album.

& has anyone heard the Gigan EP? And did Hassan Chop record anything worth hearing after this?

yeh i got the EP on the strength of krazy world. it's excellent NY headbusting shit but not as singular as u might expect. he loses that out the side of the mouth flow coming aggie.

holy moly. listening to the king geedorah album now. last track, 'the fine print' is great.

i think king geedorah is my favourite mf

doomsday is best but yeah geedorah & madvillain are both dope imo

I should give that another listen. when it came out I was too burnt out on MF and thought there were too many tracks that were just Monster Island Czars and no Doom.

New album 'Keys To The Kuffs' is streaming here!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/aug/16/doom-key-to-the-kuffs?newsfeed=true

Pretty sick stuff, "Winter Blues", live on Radio 4 of all places -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00xb9cj

Yeah I heard that. My brain couldn't really cope with Clive Anderson interviewing DOOM.

yeah it is kind of adorable, clive's voice makes me think of like the 50s or something - "and uh, mr presley you'll be singing something about blue shoes, is that right?"

yeah that's lovely, the instrumentation especially. psyched to hear this, & the beth gibbons jam, though his flow's seemed kinda graceless for the last while.

i',m hoping this is better than his last release.

really not feelin this

o well he has so much other great material

i don't know, jneiro jntel has never impressed me (second rate prefuse / ammoncontact copyists?)

and it's hard to imagine doom flowing well over LA stoner spiritual jazz dude beats (ie the bellflower thing, not madlib)

it would be like doom over flying lotus or something. nuh uh.

BITE THE THONG

This is interesting. I kinda like it.

no guts, no glory, what's your story?
bore me poorly, ??????
enough for coffee
rarely, scarcely, scary, glare-y, stare
let's be very clear, emcees is derriere
as well as aware, wearily
just don't be nearly near, you hear me?
YEEEEEAH

that's a ridiculous stretch. vintage doom

is there any way in which Madlib is not "LA stoner spiritual jazz dude beats"?!

yeah he's that but he's also like 10 other things

terrible kool-aid suppin' paragraph in a guardian profile

Doom's music has always been murky, his samples dusty from all those crates, his voice gruff, his raps torrential bursts of elliptical wordplay too dense and jerkily delivered to be described as "flow", but it's not as forbidding as the metal face suggests. People, he says, miss the humour in his work, and the delight in mischief-making. A couple of years ago, he allegedly sent "fake" Dooms to perform on his behalf at gigs. Even the hardcore faithful were incensed, when really it was an inspired device designed to subvert the notion of rap ego.

o i c

well poor word choice but i think it's much more slack than the beats on past mf doom and madlib things, less hectic, more stretched out than doom's herbs and spices or madlib's hectic beat collage

when really it was an inspired device designed to subvert the notion of rap ego.

no they were doombots you fuckspasm, the clue's in the name, and the mask, and the hood, and the album art, and the name

or he's just a lazy cunt

could be

Pretty sick stuff, "Winter Blues", live on Radio 4 of all places -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00xb9cj

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 August 2012 03:24 (6 hours ago)

ffs why make me load a player, then check a box saying I'm over 16, then make me choose whether or not to apply a parental lock to the website, then reload the page, make me REload it again, and THEN tell me the media is not available in my area?

YSI?

it's on youtube

wait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bfMQteuzLE

ta

yeah that's lovely, the instrumentation especially.

mm, Doom's flow gets v slack in his last part, but generally this sounds like a good thing for him to be doing at this stage of his life

lol, MF Doom did a collaboration with Borat called MF Borat. How have I only just heard of this? http://mfborat.bandcamp.com/album/the-mask-and-the-moustache …

Has this been posted anywhere? https://medium.com/cuepoint/check-the-technique-kmds-black-bastards-and-the-birth-of-mf-doom-1849f4c0a6f4

Doom's 14 year old son passed away :(

jeez poor guy

holy crap

how

why

googling brings up nothing

he posted it on his instagram account

Wait now there's this?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJefkDalNYo/

Okay I'm confused is he dead or not because the comments seem to indicate that he's not and also they waited two months to tell us if so?

Some of the comments are saying that his wife died and he is just now posting a letter she gave him before she passed, but it’s all very confusing.

If his wife died, why would he accompany the letter with a photo of himself?

Maybe he's just v narcissistic

Rhymesayers Facebook posted it, I think he passed away

"My world will never be the same without you"

That's not a sentiment of a dying person.

fuck I can't believe this

gutted

xpost - It doesn’t make sense to me either, but those comments are a mess.

Really hope it’s not true.

Complex confirmed he’s dead, fwiw.

God damn, this sucks. RIP

Rhymesayers
catoSpon2s4oarmed ·
With heavy hearts, we share these words from MF DOOM’s family.
It is our wish to continue to respect their privacy at this difficult time.
-
Begin all things by giving thanks to THE ALL!
To Dumile
The greatest husband, father, teacher, student, business partner, lover and friend I could ever ask for. Thank you for all the things you have shown, taught and given to me, our children and our family. Thank you for teaching me how to forgive beings and give another chance, not to be so quick to judge and write off. Thank you for showing how not to be afraid to love and be the best person I could ever be. My world will never be the same without you. Words will never express what you and Malachi mean to me, I love both and adore you always. May THE ALL continue to bless you, our family and the planet.
All my Love
Jasmine
Transitioned October 31,2020

Rhymesayers is as official as it gets

fuck i'm stunned
what a talent, what an unbelievable artist

complex:

https://www.complex.com/music/2020/12/mf-doom-dead-49?utm_campaign=complexmag&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

god what a gut punch. the epitome of an underground mc.

what

KMD is easily the most underrated golden age group, to do that, lose your best friend then come back as something even more groundbreaking, even more original....visionary

God, I had a sinking feeling in my chest when I saw this thread on new answers... He left us far too soon. It seemed like a new generation of listeners really embraced his music, too.

RIP Metal Face, you leave one hell of a legacy behind.

How desperately sad. From my perspective he was the greatest of all time. RIP.

One of my favorite tracks of the '00s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR0XZP67qao

fuuuuuuck

Like many people my age he was the gateway to hip-hop. I can't thank him enough.

this is completely unacceptable

I didn’t start getting really deep into his discography until this past year. So much great work sonically and lyrically rip

holy shit

fuck fuck fuck

I think it hurts me more than usual because somehow he was mythic person, someone who sorta didn't exist, like a character underground hip-hop beamed into real life. He could not die. He was a superhero.

Listening to Take Me To Your Leader and it's mind blowing great and I don't even know if I would add it to my MF Doom top 5.

WTF?! He was still so young! RIP to one of the greatest to hold the mic.

fucking fuck this year. RIP. all caps when you spell the man name

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU1L5dP2DhY

^ probably my personal favorite

Wow RIP MF. I can't begin to say how much this guy means to me. My first date with my wife was a DOOM show in 2004. She rode all the way with me from DC to Philly on a Monday night to see him. Some of his couplets never leave my mind no matter how much I'm currently listening to him. Just the other day in the McDondald's drive thru "oh my aching hands/from raking in grands/and breaking in mic stands." I felt very passionately about this guy in probably a very corny way, but I'll stand by it for life. Operation Doomsday is etched in my brain. The hunger he displays on that album, damn. And I haven't even started on his production skills.

On Doomsday! ever since the womb ‘til I'm back where my brother went that's what my tomb will say
Right above my government Dumile
Either unmarked or engraved hey who's to say

well this absolutely sucks

RIP

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/09/21/the-mask-of-doom/amp

(ta-nehisi coates 2009)

Oh man wtf

fucking hell

This sucks!!!

Unbelievable. RIP to an all timer

His output in early 2000s was my soundtrack while exploring NYC for the first time

A friend was involved in this single a couple of years ago, said he had nothing but awe for him as an artist and a person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9hRLLj1Ur0

Oh wow. I used to love doom. RIP to one of the best. Thay second kmd album made me a fan.

I hate to say this but we were actually working on an EP. There were more songs that I haven’t even heard. https://t.co/i3772B7bDS

— FLYLO (@flyinglotus) December 31, 2020

RIP MF

So weird to learn this.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/thumb/5/5a/Zev_Love_X.jpg/190px-Zev_Love_X.jpg

"Rest in peace to the good brother Sean Price...I'll meet you over there..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9fxOsZTHU8

^^ a man who knew how to live

love that young zev love pic

this is such a great photo

RIP to a 1 of 1 pic.twitter.com/VFR5aHdjst

— THE GHOST OF ALBIZU (@BigGhostLtd) December 31, 2020

All hail the king and give him three cheers, fam

an MF Doom documentary would be amazing

The crew has assembled. We are producing an extra special DOOM tribute program tonight for ‘THE HIT’ that will flow right into the countdown. 11pm pst. https://t.co/0MwfY0QFTo

— FLYLO (@flyinglotus) January 1, 2021

Haven’t read too deeply into this but... he’s been dead for two months and this is just now coming out?

2020 gets the gas face

Terrible way to end a terrible year.

his music changed my life. Rip

For realz tho

For some reason, am still dumbfounded by this. Obvs thats just death in general but it's just weird as he was relatively young. Hope we find out more in the next few weeks.

‘Dumbfounded’ is the only place to be on this right now.

Just saw ppl listing madvillainy for a couple hundred on discogs lol

Doom recorded most of that over a three week period in my apartment on my MPC, using my records. He never slept for more than 3-4 hours at a time. https://t.co/mjKDx4rSac

— Stretch Armstrong (@StretchArmy) February 17, 2019

Brainfeeder's tribute to DOOM getting shut down for DMCA copyright violations is the ultimate "fuck 2020" end to this apocalyptic year.

— Otto Von Biz Markie (@Passionweiss) January 1, 2021

Just saw ppl listing madvillainy for a couple hundred on discogs lol

― candyman

Why? It’s not a rare record, it will probably get reissued anyways and anyone who cares already owns it.

God knows.

Part of me is hoping this is a theatrical meta alias trick doom is playing

Ah man, if anyone could get away with faking their own death

hanging with andy kaufman, making indecipherable references

Catch a throatful from the fire vocal
With ash and molten glass like Eyjafjallajökull

I still love that he dropped the beat to go acapella just to call himself Hip Hop’s Benny Hill. He was so much more than the villain

He was never realy a villain

I have the original Fondle Em pressing of Operation Doomsday, hate to part with it but I wonder what that will go for now

i have the 2001 reissue of bl_ck b_st_rds, it might be one of the few semi-rare things i own.

(i mean not "rare" but not landfill either)

xxxp Tho sending imposters to shows and being like "guys I'm literally a villain what do you want" lol....

how did the brainfeeder Twitch go in the end?? took me a minute to find the video, starting it now.. Check out this video "Quantumbliss" http://www.twitch.tv/timeboy/v/857284031

DJ set started after new year countdown at like 51min

probably did the best post-ODB production wu-tang with “9 Milli Bros.” RIP to a legend.

all time best use of fenugreek the beat or the spice

looks like all the special herbs beat compilations are on this youtube playlist. this really more my speed right now

I have those special blend albums he did. Not sure if they are bootleg pressings but the mix he did of MOP was ridiculously hard

can't imagine it was all cleared and whatever but those are by doom yeah

xp to Western® with Bacon Flavor: I was listening to Special Herbs last night, and I had forgotten (if I ever knew) that DOOM made the beat for "Underwater", one of my favorite Ghostface solo joints

This seems so out of the blue, even by 2020 standards... any word on cause of death? Or why it took his family two months to announce?

I feel so awful for his wife, was there ever any more information about what happened to their son?

'To the gone and lost forever like "Oh My Darling Clementine"
He hold his heart when he telling rhyme
When it's his time, I hope his soul go to Heaven'

When MF Doom officiated a wedding in 2009! pic.twitter.com/tSJ4elyLcC

— Amanuel Teferi (@AManYouLove_T) January 1, 2021

RIP to The Villain. Of all the artists who've had formative, life changing effects on my tastes in music that've been lost to this horrible year... this one might hurt the most.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/01/mf-doom-a-hip-hop-genius-who-built-his-own-universe-of-poetry

The price hikes for his records online overnight are pretty staggering

Madvillainy is brilliant but I prefer his own solo stuff, album wise. Madvillainy just had more of a push which is why more people are familiar with it I think. Hos own production is more idiosyncratic and interesting, also just thicker sonically.

I rarely pay attention to lyrics but listening to Operation Doomsday made me pay attention and made me want to listen to more hip hop artists. His flow, his voice, his lyrics and how great the beats sounded.

Madvillainy is also brilliant and one of the best hip hop albums I’ve ever heard but I hope his legacy ends up in people looking past that album and listening how great the rest of his work is. Lots of gems amongst his other monikers and collaboratios.

I rank it like
Born like this
Mmm food
Doomsday

But tbh it's hard to decide...

Doomsday, geedorah, madvillainy, and viktor Vaughn in some order

And the second kmd album

The Jody watley sample on that album is so hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQL-B3PNkeI

If you're including all his stuff, then the king geedorah album has to be in there too. The best version of black bastards is the bootleg I got with the bass turned up a lot.

i have no idea how he managed to clear all those samples on doomsday.

villainy iirc

of all things it was the Sesame Street sample on Mm Food's last track that had to be removed on all later pressings. The original "Kookies" beat is worth finding. Looks like it's on YouTube for the moment.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAYdO30Tcu4

The first thing I heard from him was the Four Tet Madvillain remixes and I pretty much sought out everything Doom did after that.
to this day I think that remix album is some of the most amazing music I’ve ever heard.

Especially “Accordion”.

I thought this video was very charming - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBIvIDnnv8

Sweet but reminded me why mos' voice is not one of my favourites.

Stretch Armstrong shared about 15+ minutes of Doom on his and Bobbito's show in 1997. Pretty great stuff.

Happy to share Doom joining me, @koolboblove and @lordsear on the @StretchandBob Show on 4/24/97. I sarcastically say “hiiii Doom” because he had been staying at my place recording, and was at my house more than I was. Enjoy. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 https://t.co/gvbVoz37Py

— Stretch Armstrong (@StretchArmy) January 1, 2021

Thank you so much for that Mos clip, what an absolute joy.

There's an alternate universe where Mos had the most amazing career.

Theres an alternate universe where mos actually made better music post rawkus.

There will always be that one slick Rick jam. Well unless you look on Spotify, where his best post-Rawkus album seems to have been taken down

Was The New Danger post-Rawkus? There was some good stuff on that - the Marvin Gaye tribute was fantastic - but I felt the clashes with the label over what to do with the Black Jack Johnson stuff sent his career in a weird, self-destructiv direction. So much talent, tho - and a really charismatic, alive interviewee.

interesting thread from the guy at Adult Swim who DOOM worked with - explains that cancelled "Missing Notebook" series from a few years ago.

Flash forward to like a decade later and I hear DOOM really wants to work with me again. After several talks with his management we came up with the idea of the Missing Notebook Rhymes. Of course, once we start releasing them, we find two things out:

— SPIRAL CURSE DEMARCO (@Clarknova1) December 31, 2020

It’s Crazy to me... the irony of an artist dying in 2020 mostly known for wearing a mask. Just wow.

— Qurley? (@questlove) January 1, 2021

wow that adult swim stuff is crazy

xp he also died on halloween, which was once the only night most people wore masks

masks all the way down

this is good

THE FIRST TIME I MET DOOM.

It’s weird telling this story about THE FIRST TIME I MET MF DOOM because I don’t think I’ve ever spoken about it other than in passing or word of mouth so sitting down to write about this considering that he’s gone just has me all sorts of fucked up. pic.twitter.com/ANsRchYQp3

— COSMO BAKER (@CosmoBaker) December 31, 2020

There should be a book about him. Some of the myths and anecdotes around him are like those surrounding old blues men like Robert Johnson or something.

Here's a nice outtake from Dangerdoom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJpwKJcLjao

Supposedly he got the operation doomsday cover from tracing around the character outline on an episode on vhs that he paused on his TV

Wtf lol etc

I'm going to give dangerdoom another chance as I thought dangermouses beats were ho hum the first time

xpost

I have been thinking the same thing, but trying to dig up anecdotes and truths and details about Daniel Dumile kind of seems antithetical to what DOOM was about

I would be up for a book of unprovable tall tales about Doom tbh. Print the legend.

blunts the size of tree trunks

Been pretty impacted by this

Maybe its lockdown, maybe nostalgia, maybe pandemic related feelings getting mixed up in it, but I find myself both bummed out and pissed off about this. Wonder if he got covid.

been digging into kmd again too, great body of work in its own right

the part that fucks me up is that he died two whole months ago

thing that weirds me out were the odd tweets from his account post-mortem and pre-obituary.

i havent been reading very much about this - is there any info at all on what the deal is with the weird circumstances?

leave it to doom that even his death would be a confusing clusterfuck

The statement was generally quite straight forward. A doom death I would have expected to be communicated more cryptically.

I assumed the family kept it secret for privacy?

Also I just realized, like, yesterday that "Doom" was probably a shortened version of "Dumile"

I keep hoping that like the other Doom he allowed one of his robot doubles to die in his place.

xp ha i had the same experience re-reading the ta-nahesi coates profile over the weekend, which i think says "dumile (pronounced DOOM-ile)" and i smacked my forehead

im sure this has been discussed already, its just so odd in 2020 to not find out about the death of a person in the entertainment world the moment it happens

i think it's kind of cool / admirable that it was not known for so long tbh

Also, I would 100% percent be on board with DOOM having faked his own death because A) It means DOOM is alive and B) It would piss everyone off, ergo being an all-time great supervillain move

Id like it if he killed doom, and even d.dumile, but only so he could become a new character. Here's hoping

oh my god lads, a MF DOOM tribute on a belgian train pic.twitter.com/ppXf42XjUD

— lauren quigley (@laurenlquigley) January 5, 2021

Long Live MF DOOM. 🔥 pic.twitter.com/nZwDQ1OO6B

— Hiphop In Je Sm⭕el (@HIJS) January 3, 2021

https://waxpoetics.com/articles/mfdoom-behind-the-mask/

great article

last question about his vaults is intriguing, hope more stuff comes out

I had not seen this until now - he was only 19!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF8DyxqXYfo

that footage is crazy

I don't think im an expert enough to run it but if it hasn't been said already, DOOM deserves his own breakout tracks/albums/career poll

Cool footage. Love that type of NYC accent.

yeah they are so sute

cute*

I don't think im an expert enough to run it but if it hasn't been said already, DOOM deserves his own breakout tracks/albums/career poll

― gman59, Friday, 8 January 2021 18:34 (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Before the pandemic really threw my whole job in to a mess, I was trying to get a big rap poll on the go and had to renege it. I would love to help anyone who wanted to run a DOOM/KMD poll though

i thought someone volunteered to do it on the "there should be an ILM poll" thread?

I suggested it there but was more intending to throw it out there, I’m not able to run it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000r3zg

i could do it. Not gonna let it not happen like. But let's give it a month or two. In the meantime I'll try and sort out what should be eligible as i think this would be thornier than most of these polls (eg, Pitchfork's list of 10 tracks includes a bootleg remix off of "Sadevillain" that features a verse better/clearer than its official release). Is that kind of thing the poll volunteer's call? I've followed a few of these things but only taken part once.

Stretch, Bobbito, and KMD's A&R guy are on the new NY Times Popcast, in separate interviews.

dante ross?

the genie? granting us three wishes?

3 gods of New York 90s rap in one podcast.

I used to have the doom x nas’s worst album on vinyl and loved it, but yeah, mash ups and stuff shouldn’t make the list

yeah you're right. I'll take this on sometime after the 2020 poll if a more qualified pollsperson doesn't. Might need help getting all of the features listed.

I have that doomstradamus somewhere too. Not sure if it was even legit though... wished I had kept my madvillainy lp now, seeing as it appears to be worth half a grand now

nah it's a bootleg. And although it turns out Doom was sorta bootlegging himself with those "Missing Notebook" tracks that made it out, I would want to include those.

Heard a nice recent bootleg with Nujabes beats.

That nyt podcast wasnt bad. Dante Ross was the best. Bobbito talked too much about fondle em. Caramanica kept talking about dooms textures, which is right, but it's also about the weird rhythms, the off, rza ish sense of timing. Like a much looser prince Paul.

I was forgetting the poll scheduling thread when I was here setting my own rough timeline lol. I'll go post there that I could do it.

a hoy hoy: how were you interested in/able to help?

I can't be bothered with Popcast much but it was pretty informative. Keeping the subscription can come in handy.

idk. maybe i could make graphics or something?

That'd be great. I'm rusty with Photoshop but would be no problem sharing the load on rollout images if you did up the template.

the start of this thread is hilarious

listening to special herbs and spices, i forgot how good him and mf grimm were together. dooms beats during this period were absolutely fire. people focus on the more whimsical, quirky stuff, but he also had some absolutely volcanic bangers.

i never liked the vv albums cos the beats were boring/too standard underground rap. madvillainy worked cos madlibs beats are kinda undernourished/crumbling too though doom just has an altogether more dilapidated approach to beats which is why his own self produced material works best.

― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:15 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

been talking w other folks online abt this recently but the beats on viktor vaughn 1 are super dope

otm. listened to vaudevillain the other day, holds up

production on vaudeville is incredible

More incredible than the geedorah album? That album has such a fantastic set of beats .

The thing about Grimm is that Grimm also sounded kind of depressed as well as sinister which fit those beats so well

apples & oranges

Scars and memories, Memories and scars, I look up in the sky and I wonder where you are

https://www.theringer.com/2021/1/4/22212562/mf-doom-daniel-dumile-madvillain-syllabus-kmd-dunks

https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.59992/title.mf-doom-madlibs-madvillainy-sequel-was-85-percent-done-stones-throw-has-permission-to-release-material

https://www.passionweiss.com/2021/01/11/hero-vs-villain-what-a-niggy-know-remix/

whiney doomscrolling
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/arts/music/mf-doom-influences.html

I haven't tried to sell any music at these crazy prices going around... Got an offer on Discogs for $100 for the Vaudeville Villain CD. Just from having it in my collection. Shit's crazy.

Sold my vv literally weeks before he died for £95. Shame I didnt wait longer!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/arts/music/mf-doom-influences.html

oops, just saw that was already posted.

https://daily.bandcamp.com/lists/a-guide-to-the-mf-doom-discography

If there's one catalog album I've played by any artist since Jan. 1, it's Operation: Doomsday. Every day in my car.

good tunes for riding out for sure!

Poll's going to get started when the Todd Rundgren results rollout is done. It's everything but bootlegs. KMD, MF DOOM and all other aliases, all productions, features, herbs, blends, go nuts and I'll sort it out. Will link the poll here when it's up!

man I can't remember most of his titles. One of those artists whose albums I just play and the titles don't matter a damn.

There won't be an exhaustive list of what's eligible. Good resources I've found for stray tracks are Genius and RYM.

i hear ya. thought i'd give a heads up!

I will definitely vote in this

I will too. thank you!

love crazy doom fans. sold my old vinyl for more than i ever thought possible.

Jumpin JePOLLaphat, who's that? -- ILM Artist Poll #108 Daniel Dumile (MF DOOM, Zev Love X, Viktor Vaughn, King Geedorah, etc.) - Campaigning, Discussion, Equivocating until 4/11

bump. bout a week left.

Anyone else who was planning to vote?

Blessed be the lord who believe any POLL RESULTS they read up on a message board: ILM Artist Poll #108 - MF DOOM

rollout going on

New album with Czarface, apparently was a delayed release cuz Covid. On first listen I like it more than the last one, much better production. Whole thing is like 25 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQlNCG5GQ2w

seems suspiciously like it could be scraps and leftovers from their previous sessions, but maybe im wrong and its totally legit. does seem odd to have held off on it for so long.

does it matter?

no, but its fun to speculate.

there has to be so many half finished DOOM projects with ppl out there

wonder what will happen to the one with flying lotus he was working on.

I dunno really. If that was the case, wouldn't "The Missing Notebook Rhymes" have been more substantial? One of them was JJ DOOM's "Pause Tape" with JJ's verse lopped off. And the trouble that project caused with people DOOM owed music to.

A lot of people feeling like there's gonna be a Madvillainy sequel but I'd be kinda surprised to see it.

xp

I thought Madlib said it was coming?

My feeling is that there's probably a lot of stuff half finished, and frankly, I'd imagine his wife and children could use whatever money can come in via new releases

guest verses from del and dmc, wow

Did he? There was all this noise about how it's "85% done" (which has been the case for like a decade) and something about DOOM's manager giving his blessing. At the moment Stones Throw can sell as much of the original as they print. I have no doubt they'll get around to some new Madvillain product but I think it's more likely to be a collection of mostly already-released stray tracks or an EP of the ones that didn't get an official release yet. It's hard to imagine there's a lot that hasn't gotten any airing at all yet (or doesn't contain verses that ended up on another thing). But then 25 minute albums are a thing now.

xp

And the trouble that project caused with people DOOM owed music to.

yeah my sense is theres probably a lot of unreleased/half-finished music around and not a lot of consensus about who owns it

Got to be some doom stuff sitting at home with his family. Impossible that there wouldnt be, even if it's just beats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3WRs-86u8g

eh so this new album is not enough DOOM and way too much Eso. Not barrel scrapings exactly but nothing revelatory or crucial either

does it matter?

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 May 2021 14:49 (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol

Now in action figure form

https://gasdrawls.com/products/mf-doom-reaction-figure-operation-doomsday?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Gas%20Drawls%20Send%20-%206%2F26%20-%20Super%207%20Focus&utm_id=01H28NJX9RE45NN3YH0GBNPY9W&tw_source=klaviyo&_kx=-gUU8M2nBeuoVqiTJhrbwDa8SqrqcZr2iZKj3OunzJc%3D.YjRtBR

Shoulda done a series of the random dudes who would perform as him

i just realized that megalon's "who you want me to be/true thugging mc..." line was a buju banton reference

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jul/06/leeds-hospital-trust-apologises-after-rapper-mf-doom-died-in-its-care?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

saw this earlier.
i had no idea re him having any connection to leeds.

Yeah i know. Wondering if he was living in the UK at the time so that he could get NHS treatment? Anyway what a sad and somewhat mundane way to go :(

so many mysteries surrounded his death - like, wasn't he supposed to have died some time before his family made it public?

this story, though... what a waste. what a tragedy.

Yeah i know. Wondering if he was living in the UK at the time so that he could get NHS treatment? Anyway what a sad and somewhat mundane way to go :(

― NickB, Thursday, July 6, 2023 1:52 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

he was born in the uk, grew up and lived in the us and then was deported later in life iirc

knew he was born in london, didn't know about the deportation though. any idea why?

seems complicated but partially because paperwork was too expensive/never filed when he was a kid, and then a buncha stuff never went through as it should've when he was an adult, plus he kept getting arrested, seems pretty kafkaesque

https://pitchfork.com/features/article/untangling-mf-dooms-lifelong-struggle-with-the-us-immigration-system/

oh thanks!

Slick Rick similarly faced deportation to the UK (Jesus, where IS he?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qVJVHmWEUE

kids are alright