clipse - hell hath no fury

well, the people who've been accusing the neptunes of being in a holding pattern beatswise are gonna be vindicated here. most of the tracks are simple combinations of the acoustic guitars in "like i love you" with the pingpong rubber bullet sounds from "caught out there". one of the later tracks has some nice oriental plucks, there's not a whole lot of the curtis mayfield vibe of "lord willin"

in a way i'm happy with it, though - most of it is the clipse album i wanted the first time around. there's nothing as eerie as "grindin" or "what happened to that boy", definitely nothing as anthemic as "when the last time" but the general quality of the tracks is pretty high.

i find myself agreeing with marcello's assessment of 2003 as hip-hop's worst year in recent memory, judging from this and what else i've heard so far it seems like 2004's not going to be much better for novelty, though i'm not worried about finding tracks to enjoy.

...

Oh hell.

i think they're very underrated in every category. and they sound best over just the plainest neptunes beats, just generic neptunes beats, 'comedy central,' 'cot damn,' whatever else. 'grindin' and 'when the last time' sounded out of place almost and 'what happened to that boy' was someone else's record.

do you have a tracklist?

i agree that they're underrated, and i with you on the point about "plainest neptune beats". i could listen to plain neptune beats for the rest of my life i think, even if they all sound like "change clothes". though i don't mind when they come up with something as unbelievably hot as "grindin", etc.

if they sound different it's that they sound a little more intense, a little more serious this time around. it's a dark album.

oh another thing! unless i wasn't listening closely enough there aren't any guest spots on this one, either.

I third the sentiment that clipse work really fantastically over really plain Neptunes beats. I frequently (if not all the time) think "Ego" is my favourite Neps tune ever, and a great deal of that is because of how wonderfully Clipse ride the groove.

Pusha T in particular sounds differeent, he's dropped the whole nasal thing. Malice sounds pretty much the same.

I've heard that they've put much more work in to this album, as "Lord Willing" had a bunch of mixtape and freesyle verses just cut in over the beats, the new album is going show us a more focused Clipse, and the cuts are going to sound more like "real songs", whatever that means.

Judging by "Pussy" they've become much more "rap" as well, as on "Lord Willing" they keep talking about how they're not really rappers, but drug dealers, hustlers etc. But don't make no mistake, they are still to fucking kool for rap:

"I'm not these rap kids, wit childish antics
Who make diss records, who rock hat backwards
These are higher stakes, this is not average weight
This is not pinching penny's bitch, this is carrot cake"

---Malice on "Pussy"

Everyone should check out the lyrics on "Pussy", not many rappers put togheter sentences as they do, and the metaphores and similies is definitly off the fucking hook:

"They say the Lord closes windows, to open doors
Nigga don't make me open yours
Seen hearts beat through, open sores
Subliminal rap shit, so immature, that's why I ignore
Punchline niggaz on front time, silly hoe shit
He who questions I is unfocused
Copperfield flow yes! I'll make careers disappear
Like hocus - pocus - no joke, it's Push'"

----Pusha on "Pussy"

I saw someone mention that "Lord Willing" had no guests on it, that's not right, Jadakiss, Styles P and Jermaine Dupri are all on the album, as well as Roscoe P Coldchain and Faith Evans.

I've also heard that they're going to use other producers on the album, I have no idea who.

-Cast-Ro

so it looks like it's coming out in late march (24th?) ... i got it off one of you lovely ilxors ...
well, the people who've been accusing the neptunes of being in a holding pattern beatswise are gonna be vindicated here. most of the tracks are simple combinations of the acoustic guitars in "like i love you" with the pingpong rubber bullet sounds from "caught out there". one of the later tracks has some nice oriental plucks, there's not a whole lot of the curtis mayfield vibe of "lord willin"

in a way i'm happy with it, though - most of it is the clipse album i wanted the first time around. there's nothing as eerie as "grindin" or "what happened to that boy", definitely nothing as anthemic as "when the last time" but the general quality of the tracks is pretty high.

i find myself agreeing with marcello's assessment of 2003 as hip-hop's worst year in recent memory, judging from this and what else i've heard so far it seems like 2004's not going to be much better for novelty, though i'm not worried about finding tracks to enjoy.

-- vahid (vfoz...), January 26th, 2004

Comes out on Halloween apparently. A bunch of songs from it leaked, and they're all ACE."Wamp Wamp," "Ain't Cha," "Mr. Me Too" and "Chinese New Year" ... shaping up to be an excellent record.
-- The Brainwasher (teignmout...), August 6th, 2006.

aaaaahahahahaha

it might just be b/c the new Jay-z was so hyped and then ended up coming waaayy short, but this is heads above any other album this year, including King, Fishscale, and the parts of the Kidz in the Hall album that is really good.

I was expecting the singles to be heads above the rest, which wouldn't have been saying too much, but this album is it

teh laek

One leadoff non-hit single that is 'decent'...and loads of internet hype? A mixtape that, in mixtape terms, came out ages ago?

Also, in my unschooled and oh so humble opinion:

One leadoff non-hit single that is crazy great? A pure fire mixtape? A debut that, sans two club joints is a stone cold and remarkably prescient classic?

-- deej.. (clublonel...), November 16th, 2006.

fixed.

a neptunes production that made the neptunes famous, too!

xp yeah but you can say that about like every rap artist from Large Pro on.

Where's ethan to copy and paste this in a way that makes it feel embarrassing.

Obv. light years less prescient than modern coke rap godfathers like Rae/Ghost & BDK, but they were on the coke rap gravy train right before it went to the bank big.

They released lots of big hits prior to the release of Lord Willin. Their careers were already 'there.'

xpost "trill" is one of the biggest, nastiest tracks ive heard in some time, vying for my favorite at the moment.
but that changes every 5 minutes

yeah i said it.

ill shut up now

clipse stans are the cann ox stans of 06

OR THEY CAN TALK LIKE DIS AND IT MAKES FUN OF TEH BLAK PEOPLE

its only safe on here to like hiphop thats at least 10 years old and didnt sell enough then for anyone to give two fucks

ive never gotten the fascination with the game, past the novelty of having the 1000 bar songs, but that wore off/never got worn really

"Lounge"

i am desparately waiting for "stillinoise" in 2016.

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best part is the Benjamins wallpaper in the background

I speak with corrupted tongue

Recognized the underworld since I was young

Back in '84 when I saw Crocket & Tubbs as the law

These eyes got big when they televised that raw

-- A-ron Hubbard (Hurtingchie...), November 16th, 2006.

http://rawkblog.dreamhosters.com/clipse-roots-liveinva.mp3

^^great like 20 min live set w/ roots as backing band. they start with 2 zzzzz songs from HHNF but really slay "cot damn" (single version tho :/) and "grindin"

there's a hilarious moment in between "cot damn" and "grindin" where someone goes "yo where diddy at?! where diddy?!" and someone replies "tweaking out!"

that last exchange is still funny to me

vvvv this i mean:

Remarkably prescient!

-- deej.. (deej..), Friday, November 17, 2006 4:29 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

deej otm

-- Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, November 17, 2006 5:04 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link
Hosteen otm!

-- Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, November 17, 2006 5:09 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link
OTM all around.

-- A-ron Hubbard (Hurtingchie...), November 16th, 2006.

-- Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, November 17, 2006 5:13 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link
i worry about otm

-- a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Friday, November 17, 2006 5:28 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link
fighting back tears of laughter

-- Good-Time Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great 'Frisco Freak-Out (sixteen sergeants, Friday, November 17, 2006 6:00 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

rofl @ "i worry about otm"

been listening to this lately after hearing that new mixtape. holds up well, although you can already hear them losing their fire slightly and holding back a bit compared to the mix-cds (was there any need to use a biggie flow on wamp wamp?). cant see them matching it with the next album though, esp if theyre diversifying with producers.

rofl @ "i worry about otm"

― The Brainwasher, Saturday, January 5, 2008 9:52 AM (11 months ago)

huh

The Clipse is currently aiming for a late-summer release for Til the Casket Drops, which will feature contributions from a wide range of beatsmiths. First single "Kinda Like a Big Deal," produced by DJ Khalil and featuring Kanye West, is set to drop March 9.

9th of March you say? That's kinda like a bit soon.

Maybe someone will buy this one!

fuck it I'll anticipate

well march 9th is the single not the album

that paragraph is from an article about them workign with rick rubin btw

I could see this being good. the cocky, funny, charming "Good Life"/"American Girl" etc kanye and not the blowhard bullshit like "Go Hard"/"Swagga Like Us" (this obv. relies on him not using auto)

the title suggests sense of humor, he usually does well with that as long as he remembers to bring it.

DJ Khalil beats are generally dark booming synth tracks, so I'm betting it'll be more in the vein of "Go Hard" shit talk (in both meanings of the term).

idk i think it could be silly "american girl" kanye since the song title is already a cliche and outdated reference, so i'm sure kanye is already licking his lips

kanye sucks on "go hard" but i love that t-pain hook

i like kanye on there (he's got a great sense of the moment) actually for one verse but they shoulda had someone (not jay z) do the second verse

they shoulda had him do another song as good as "Grammy Family"

that paragraph is from an article about them workign with rick rubin btw

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:03 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark

ohh boy

so if kanye sounds anything like he does on the-dream track this song could be pretty good

surprised no one posted the pics w/ ric rubin

http://popwatch.ew.com/photos/uncategorized/2009/02/24/clipserickrubin_l.jpg

lol that these fuckers can't even get a single to leak on time

Big Boi syndrome

kinda like a big fail

jk i haven't listened yet, just wanted to say that

WIN

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"mr. me too" is one of their top 3 hardest songs ever
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still think u wrong

A fine record indeed.

remarkably prescient!

god i'm embarrassing

everywhere, but here especially

I've reached a point of f/w "Mr. Me Too" again.

there's new clipse in the pipeline? hazzah!

hhnf wasn't half bad, one of the better albums of that year iirc.

didn't really hear it when it came out, but picked up hhnf a couple weeks ago and i think it's pretty good

i know i know yup yeah you too
ok we get it yup yeah too
ok everybody meet mr. me hoos

on another note,

WAMP WAMP

do people who love "mr. me too" just pretend the 60 bars of pharrell droning on at the beginning don't exist?

only song on HHNF i still jam is 'trill'

i think that pharrell verse is awesome, and the way the beat is you're either on board w/ the droning or you're not

+ the nonchalantness of the vocals is totally necessary, like pharrell can't even be bothered to get excited about swagger jackers

i think im directly the opposite of anyone who cares about this album in that i only listen to the singles

"wamp wamp" was some sad shit imo

the droniness is key to the song

xps

i'll luv the wamp wamp beat always and forever

i like this album

i think im directly the opposite of anyone who cares about this album in that i only listen to the singles

― triple-hater protection (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, May 6, 2009 3:28 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^feelin this

all the songs are good, but it's sort of tiring to listen to, very harsh sounding

"wamp wamp" was some sad shit imo

― shipforbrains (some dude), Wednesday, May 6, 2009 3:33 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

challamp challamp

weird how hyped this record was - in my mind it only had like 5 GREAT songs, the rest was uhhhh. production was amazing, but too much pharrell and not enough clipse, and what clipse there was they weren't always at their best

lord willin' was way, way better, so was a lot of the mixtape stuff

"Dirty Money" will always be my jam tho

i know i know yup yeah you too
ok we get it yup yeah too
ok everybody meet mr. me hoos

― triple-hater protection (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, May 6, 2009 7:13 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

this is brutal dogg

challamp challamp

it's halfway to a good beat, but i've railed on this board so many times about how irritating pharrell's unquantized drums from this period are, don't make me do it again.

i'll quantize YOU buster!

weird how hyped this record was - in my mind it only had like 5 GREAT songs

Hey, that's about 4-5 more great songs than 95% of hip hop albums nowadays... right?

oh god

oh stop with the baiting

hip hop album of the decade

suggest ban & not even in the top 50

My favorite hiphop album of 2006... "of the decade" is a stretch.

'yankee hotel foxtrot'-est hip hop album of the decade, morelike

It'd make my top 25 or so.

ladies and gentlemen, the gangsta kid a is here

yall want to make a prediction as to what the gangster merriweather post pavillion is gonna be

has anyone done a best hip hop albums of the 00s list? either here or somewhere else? i think i saw one on a blog but it was fairly (if justifiably) predictable.

passion of the weiss did a poll, noz posted his ballot to cocaine blunts, prolly a few other blogs did too

this is a good album...but only the third best clipse of the decade (behind lord willin' and we got it for cheap vol 2...actually maybe behind vol 1 as well)

^this

martorialist did an epic trax one picking up where ego trip stopped

btw i will rep for "Doorman" off the last one

i don't really bother differentiating 'lord willin' and 'hell hath no fury' in any quantifiable way, i just love em both so much.

yall want to make a prediction as to what the gangster merriweather post pavillion is gonna be

― big hoos state of mind (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 February 2010 06:37 (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the carter iii

it's more like 'paper trail' actually -- lots of heavy handed moralizing about wanting to be a content grown up

wait whats the difference b/w the kid a and the MPP hip hop album of the decade?

xp nevermind, i assumed it was like EVERYONE likes kid a, MPP is a little more divisive

ok yeah paper trail otm. kid a = blueprint obv

xp: gangsta kid a was just in responce to album of decade claim

yeah that i got, i just didnt get what the diff b/w that and a gangsta MPP

basically i was insinuating that 6 years from now, MPP would theoretically be the reference point for that kinda statement like YHF ws

it's more like 'paper trail' actually -- lots of heavy handed moralizing about wanting to be a content grown up

MPP lacks Swizz Beatz productions.

touche

gangsta kid a was the black sheep of ya kid k's family iirc

T

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T!

L!

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POWA

guys there doesn't have to be a gangsta MPP, you know

the 'gangsta YHF' quote was stupid enough in the first place

gangsta yhf was stupid only because i'm not sure there is one.

i mean the whole line was clownish but i'm pretty sure the author just meant that it was delayed forever by label beef

i have a weird thing were when i put "trill" on it either sounds overly slow and garbage or awesome.

about 2/3rds of this is incredible, but that adds up to only like 1/3 of the amount of incredible shit on either cheap 2 or lord willin

if they declare themselves as drug dealers, how come they haven't got arrested?

i take it you live somewhere with a dictatorship?

no zing intended, but you know you need evidence to arrest people beyond "they say they're drug-dealers on their records" to secure a conviction in the US.

some of their management dudes got federal charges recently

xpost: i mean, if they proclaim themselves as drug dealers, then surely the police dept. would've been trailing and eventually got them.

i don't know, durr, the police dept might busy trailing the millions of other rappers who rap about selling cocaine to crack down on the clipse bro's.

that's how rappers do it, they all say they sell crack and the police can't possible have the resources to followup on all of them, that way the real drug dealers get away scot-free!

it's basically like Amway

i sell crack fwiw

interesting old VV article on this that i always think of when people cop charges. there's also that whole thing with cappaddona's manager being a fed plant, lupe's "someone to take the blame while i stay blameless" etc. it's not like they don't pay attention. the rap patrol on the gat patrol.

Revisited Lord Willin' for the first time in a while tonight.

still SMH @ the critical circle jerk over the inferior record

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this is the most extra hilarious shit because Lord Willin came out the same fucking year as Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and was better than YHF and Hell Hath No Fury

lord willin is a stone cold classic

haven't heard Lord Willin' but I love HHNF

should be the other way around

i love lord willin', but i don't think hhnf is the "inferior record"... both are classics, hhnf is better tho.

I'm with whiney on this one.

xpost,

The Brainwashed is more like it

here's your quick guide to clipse records

lord willin = five stars
we got it for cheap 1 = 4 stars
we got it for cheap 2 = 4.5 stars
lord willin = 3.5 stars
anything after that = 2 stars

Dear San Te

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=XHH&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=lord+willin+mediafire&aq=f&aqi=g-p1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Love, your pal Whiney

lol

LOLOLOL YOU GOT ME

3.5 is about right

I would give HHNF a solid 4 stars, but Jordan otherwise OTM

I mean it's no YANKEE HOTEL FOXTROR

are we about to get in a heated debate about the merits of an album that's almost five years old czu that just might be entertaining

yeah I was going to put up an argument/ask why you guys feel hnnf is "inferior" but then I was like "I don't feel like arguing/talking about Clipse in 2010"

looking forward to Pusha's solo album/mixtape tho

I love the production and lyricism of HHNF but I have nothing to compare it to so until I d/l Lord Willin' I will stay mum.

It's better on both counts

"Grindin'" sounded incredible in late 2002 or early 2003 when I first heard it, like hearing "Poptones" or "Lyrics of Fury" for the first time or something.

what are those other songs

hahaha

like hearing "Love...Thy Will Be Done" and "Waiting For Tonight" for the first time.

lord willin has livelier and more interesting production -- i thought the 'spare, minimal' beats of HHNF were just boring

lyrics were fresher on lord willin too

wonder if ppl were just projecting their feelings for 'the wire' onto HHNF

xpost like hearing "Dunkie Butt" and "Tootsee Roll" for the first time

I love the minimal beats from HHNF. especially Wamp Wamp (altho I know that one is well-regarded on ILX so ya know...)

KEYS OPEN DOORS KEYS OPEN DOORS KEYS KEYS KEYS OPEN DOORS

j0rdan, you really think "ride around shinin," "hello new world," "momma i'm so sorry" beats are 'boring'?

wonder if ppl were just projecting their feelings for 'the wire' onto HHNF

truth bomb to end all truth bombs

wonder if people projected their feelings about Carcetti onto HHNF.

never seen an ep

I really do love when Whiney gets so completely awestruck that anyone could possibly have a differing opinion. I'm in the HHNF being ever so slightly better camp. The minimal beats push all my buttons.

wonder if ppl were just projecting their feelings for 'the wire' onto HHNF

― be my anchor baby (J0rdan S.), Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:57 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol this is the ilx post equivalent of a ny times style section trend piece, and u know im right cause whiney called it a truth bomb

lolll

can i use san te for my anecdotal lede?

j0rdan, you really think "ride around shinin," "hello new world," "momma i'm so sorry" beats are 'boring'?

― / (The Brainwasher), Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:00 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

i like the "ride around shinin" beat, but i honestly don't remember what the other two sound like

oh, "momma, i'm so sorry" is the accordion one -- always hated that noise, but i'll leave that one up to personal taste

maybe boring was the wrong word -- i just never agreed with the attributes that were hoisted upon this album by ppl -- "cold blooded", "menacing", "unforgiving" etc just read to me as really dry and zapped of life

i mean it made for a good narrative, but HHNF misses shit like "young boy" and "comedy central"

and like, not that i think dudes SHOULD be rapping about anything else, but this was the first time where their rhymes just felt flat and stale to me, unfortunately

guys, i have some news

it is possible to like hhnf without being "fooled" by the "critical discourse"

because tbh i wasn't reading a fuckton of music crit in 2006 and was not aware of the narrative surrounding this album--i just thought it sounded cool

yeah but... did you like the wire

why do u like it

i'm just responding to what i know as the defenses of the album

wire point is totally relevant

if HHNF came out now, would anyone care?

xp i didn't know what the wire was in 2006

i watched 5 eps in 2007 and was bored to tears

I liked HHNF because I liked it

next question

why did i like it? i mean as i say on every rap thread i'm not a huge rap dude but the spare beats really worked for me and i dug their nihilistic streak. the second half of the record drags a ton but i'd still happily listen to 1-6 on this any time.

like jordan yr reaction to descriptors like "dry" and "unforgiving" is a totally valid aesthetic thing that i happen to not share. i love dry, harsh rock records too so i think it was of a piece for me.

wire point is totally relevant

if HHNF came out now, would anyone care?

― be my anchor baby (J0rdan S.), Thursday, August 19, 2010 11:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

ur crazy dog, i love u, but ur crazy

i watched 5 eps in 2007 and was bored to tears

― call all destroyer, Thursday, August 19, 2010 11:56 PM (Yesterday)

hey i know this is ilx and all but we need minimum standards - hating on the wire can never be cool

Nice screen name, biter

endless dougie (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 5 July 2010 19:07 (1 month ago)

damn

next accusation, are people who love chillwave really just projecting their feelings for rejecting good jobs & wanting to be astronauts onto their musical tastes

answer 2 that question is yes, but j0rdan is a bit overboard itt

i mean of course the critical reception to this was nonsense ... but it was more like "why are yall hating this styles p (and / or) AZ record" not "this clipse is ACTUALLY terrible!" i mean, the clipse record @ 4 stars, i buy it. but anyone who thought it was the only 4 star rap record of the year is a fucking idiot h8r period point blank

i liked pitbulls album more than this

2006 is probably the last year i was paying close attention to rap

good shit that year too... spice 1 & mc eiht, t.i., that trae album is p good, z-ro, killer mike

i like the clipse album btw

i haven't had an inclination to listen to it ever, but it's not like i would get mad at it being on

that said, i do take a bit of offense w/ its placement in decade polls like ilxs

i'm saddened to find out that I don't really like this album, thx guyz for setting me str8

its not 'this one is bad' its 'hear more rap music n00b'

no no it was The Wire I projected my love for the show onto the album. i mean i haven't ever seen it or anything but ya know The Wire fans aren't made, they are born....

i have several hundred rap albums, i just happen to only have one Clipse one. i'll d/l Lord Willin' tomorrow, d/l speeds are ridiculously slow atm :(

its not 'this one is bad' its 'hear more rap music n00b'

― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Friday, August 20, 2010 2:41 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

I've come to resent the notion that one needs a 'musical background' or 'musical education' in order to appreciate music

ya lol i mean i'd be the first to admit rap isn't the 'primary' genre I listen to (that would be metal by a 3 to 1 ratio probably) but it's not like I have been listening for a week either!

what rap mmusic u listen to says something about U

so does admitting you "take offense" at which ones do well on ilx polls

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so does admitting you "take offense" at which ones do well on ilx polls

― da croupier, Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no one here is immune from responding to ilx opinions cmon now

xpost ya i mean as i said earlier, i have several hundred rap albums and have been listening to rap half my life. lol quit frontin like i said Goldie Loc was the best MC ever

(that's to deej not croupier)

i mean j0rdan & i are cool but i think folks stanning for yelawolf are crazy ... doesnt mean i shouldnt say so. one of the things i always liked about ilx is that ppl dont couch their opinions in politeness, dudes like vahid & da croupier just kinda let it rip even if theyre backing up b.s. like nellie mckay.

& part of the fun of trash talking on ilx is dudes being like "lol u wd suck guccis testicals" & me being like 'yeah but your mom raps better than pill' & then we bond over currensy or w/e

ahh yea i know tis all in good fun. mostly...this thread has stayed mostly on the harmless side

w/ that being said everyone in this thread is a disgusting savage but me

& part of the fun of trash talking on ilx is dudes being like "lol u wd suck guccis testicals" & me being like 'yeah but your mom raps better than pill' & then we bond over currensy or w/e

― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Friday, August 20, 2010 3:00 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

I always kinda felt this was mostly confined to the ringtone rap crew? like I rarely see it in other genre discussions on ILM or maybe I just don't read ILM enough.

I mean, the actively zinging part

yeah we r more fun

guys ive been reading this thread with one eye closed cause i'm drunk and trying to keep text in focus but that haveing been said:

wonder if ppl were just projecting their feelings for 'the wire' onto HHNF

― be my anchor baby (J0rdan S.), Friday, August 20, 2010 2:57 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

loooooooooooooool

xxxpost to be honest the level of gucci mane cocksucking on this board has reached level Orange, and I've been an accomplice....

SIR I BELIEVE YOU MEAN TBH

well tbf gucci >>> errybody

better than philaflava where everyone is on jay electonica's nuttz

I guess while I have the attention of the fruity swag crew I'm gonna admit that I kinda dig that 'teach me how to thug it' song and would like to know more about it

i love gucci but i wouldn't be surprised if in 2-3 years time he was painting his nails and wearing glitter

I really tried to like gucci mane I did but I'm gonna be resigned to him forever being my "favorite rap music critic's favorite rapper"

I don't even remotely like him as much as deej and j0rdan do though.

(which goes to show you how much they truly are infatuated with him considering I like gucci lots)

ilx rap threads are p amazing

i'm amazed that a thread that had been dormant for six months, with no previous history of any major debate, about an album that came out in 2006 generated 93 FUCKING POSTS IN THE LAST FOUR HOURS lol

oh wait this is ilx

I guess while I have the attention of the fruity swag crew I'm gonna admit that I kinda dig that 'teach me how to thug it' song and would like to know more about it

― ? (dyao), Friday, August 20, 2010 3:11 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha "teach me how to thug it" would be such a better song than "teach me how to dougie"

i never even listened to HHNF because 90% of Neptunes beats since like '03 or '04 have been drowning in wack juice, what's even the point

duuuuuuude

what?

half that albums was fuckin dope man youre crazy. c=how can you not lsiten to the album after WE Got It 4 Cheap 2

that's like IRL challops

I guess while I have the attention of the fruity swag crew I'm gonna admit that I kinda dig that 'teach me how to thug it' song and would like to know more about it

― ? (dyao), Friday, August 20, 2010 3:11 AM (7 hours ago)

lol i assume you mean "teach me how to dougie" - don't be ashamed this is a good song! little talk on rolling pop and fruity swag but i'm hoping it gets even bigger

lol xp

i had the shakes after We Got It 4 Cheap 2

i had the harlem shakes after The Saga Continues...

I really tried to like gucci mane I did but I'm gonna be resigned to him forever being my "favorite rap music critic's favorite rapper"

― ? (dyao), Friday, 20 August 2010 08:15 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

But this is Z-Ro?

/if manhoylup isn't everyone favourite rap critic then y'all buggin

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so does admitting you "take offense" at which ones do well on ilx polls

― da croupier, Friday, August 20, 2010 1:52 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no one here is immune from responding to ilx opinions cmon now

"responding to ilx opinions" != "taking offense" at an album's popularity

xxp

Press Play...Finally, the hip hop The xx has arrived.

maybe it's just semantics but i just find it to be pretty funny semantics

i love gucci but i wouldn't be surprised if in 2-3 years time he was painting his nails and wearing glitter

― michangelo wuz a party d00d (San Te), Friday, 20 August 2010 08:12 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and this wouldn't be the best thing ever why?

hhnf is kinda lame and i don't feel i'll ever need to listen to it for a long while but trill is dope and you can never get enough eric bischoff references in rap lyrics

It's fun to point out when an album benefited from the hype accumulated from previous solid work but you really get the gold star if you noticed it AT THE TIME, rather than four years later

oh boy

haha ok i'm debating which types of hateration are more impressive than others, apologies

It's fun to point out when an album benefited from the hype accumulated from previous solid work but you really get the gold star if you noticed it AT THE TIME, rather than four years later

― da croupier, Friday, August 20, 2010 11:10 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I was saying it in 2006 too.

im not even sure who u are talking about xp

losing my edge 2010 rmx feat whiney g

my "dude it's just funny to say you 'take offense' at an album being liked" and "hateration is more impressive if its not in hindsight" were two different negligible thoughts, the latter not being directed at anyone in particular

man it's a good thing the music industry vanished between the years 2007-2010

im not even sure what yr talking about wrt 'taking offense,' if that was something i said i doubt i was actually offended except in the way that anyone on ilx would say 'im offended by your horrible taste'

i haven't had an inclination to listen to it ever, but it's not like i would get mad at it being on

that said, i do take a bit of offense w/ its placement in decade polls like ilxs

― be my anchor baby (J0rdan S.), Friday, August 20, 2010 6:37 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

http://www.wisemouseboy.com/gallery2/d/3790-2/internet_serious_business_framed.jpg

again, i'm aware it's basically semantics, but the degree of personal investment/sensitivity suggested by "taking offense" being applied to "placement in decade polls" cracks me up

no this is a jocular thread xp

duuuuuuude

what?

― #.rar performance (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Friday, August 20, 2010 10:47 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

half that albums was fuckin dope man youre crazy. c=how can you not lsiten to the album after WE Got It 4 Cheap 2

that's like IRL challops

― #.rar performance (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Friday, August 20, 2010 10:47 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i heard probably most of the tracks off the album here and there, just never sat down and tried to listen to it as an album. same thing with the mixtapes, really, heard stuff here and there but never copped them because it was just above average mixtape freestyles, not the EARTH SHATTERING shit it was hyped up as.

you gucci mane stans are just projecting your love of The Devil Loves Prada.....

what new rap does a san te like

well I like Gucci Mane obv cuz i've been posting in that thread a lot (just not at the worship levels of you all, yet!)

he and Curren$y have spent the most time in my cd changer of late. tho lately I've been revisiting albums released around 2000/2001.

plus releases from this year loved the new Big Boi tho I know you weren't big on it.

okay i wasn't ACTUALLY OFFENDED by HHNF's placement in the ilx poll, i think that's pretty obvious -- more just like i rolled my damn eyes

gucci & currensy are my favorite rappers right now not named husalah

ok started spinning Lord Willin', so far this sounds like f***ing Black Eyed Peas crap

j/k I just wanted to have the thrill of posting something so ridiculous

so far I like this a lot, especially "Virginia".

god i fucking hate "teach me how to dougie" and its forerunner "my dougie" the fact that it comes from the lineage of dance song sequels

political unrest, stabilize society...YES!

guys ive been reading this thread with one eye closed cause i'm drunk and trying to keep text in focus but that haveing been said

NEW BOARD DESCRIPTION

im the bakers man

god i fucking hate "teach me how to dougie" and its forerunner "my dougie" the fact that it comes from the lineage of dance song sequels

― first time ~fruity swag~ poster (zorn_bond.mp3), Friday, August 20, 2010 10:29 AM Suggest Ban Permalink
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come on, this is, like, how black pop ~works~

man, wtf at all these sequels to "the twist"

i mean its not that i don't get it

i just hate instructive dance song lyrics

"sliiiiiiiiiiide to the left"
'FUCK YOU'

"do the tighten up"
'FUCK YOU'

"now lean back"
'FUCK YOU'

"let me see your tootsie roll"
'FUCK YOU'

"first i lean to the side like my leg was broken"
'FUCK YOU'

"do the mashed potatoes"
'FUCK YOU'

"lean wit it, rock with it"
'FUCK YOU'

so obv I can't make any definitive decision after one listen but I certainly like Lord Willin' a lot but don't hear a huge diff between the two albums in either department (I mean yea there's differences but ya know not like landmark ones). I don't know which one is my fav yet, but y'all made it sound like liking HHNF better is like thinking Mobb Deep's Murda Muzik is better than The Infamous....

i am a barrel of fun at wedding receptions xp

k i've given Lord Willin' a gazillion listens in the last few days, love it, but I still prefer HHNF. sorries

actually I'm flip flopping on this one after listening to HHNF again. oh well I love both.

rev don't be mean to archie bell :(

ha, i was just poking fun at zorn

btw...(i'm confused about who u are zorn)

but y'all made it sound like liking HHNF better is like thinking Mobb Deep's Murda Muzik is better than The Infamous....

they're both good, but preferring HHNF does seem a little strange. its best songs are up to lord willin's standard, but there's a fair amount of downtime in between. something i had to admit when trying to defend my love of HHNF in some year/decade poll thread or another...

Big Hoos the OTMarker

yay!

i told hoos that by trying to not use hoosisms so as not to give himself away as zorn bond, he pretty much just ended up reading like a rev sock

brothers from another mother

i like that nu-hoos shares his opinions more freely

i told hoos that by trying to not use hoosisms so as not to give himself away as zorn bond, he pretty much just ended up reading like a rev sock

― J0rdan S., Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:30 PM Bookmark

hah

Oh my god push just STOP

looool. who is more revolting pusha or wale? pretty close at this point imo

wrath of caine is a very poor outing. and wale may have outdone push on that feature track. all just echgkk. but not in the good way

i really wanna listen to malice's (no malice's) christian rap mixtape :3

might be fun to have a poll for most embarrassing push moment. playing second fiddle to tyler the creator def up there

You should totally do that poll

gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah really though

just stumbled upon this, was waiting for more of the no malice to drop

he's... gotten sharper since clipse imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSQWtMijNqY

Yeah I mean a lot of my problem w push is that 80% of the time in clipse I was checking for malice - but had to wait through push. And push has gotten WORSE

I can't get that link to work ok my phone

Here's another song

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=iWOF4MsH-qo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiWOF4MsH-qo

Mal still has it

haha made me almost open my bible

i find myself agreeing with marcello's assessment of 2003 as hip-hop's worst year in recent memory, judging from this and what else i've heard so far it seems like 2004's not going to be much better for novelty, though i'm not worried about finding tracks to enjoy.

― vahid (vahid), Sunday, January 25, 2004 9:07 PM (seventeen years ago)

Funny seeing this with the hindsight that in a matter of weeks Kanye would make his debut on The College Dropout and Madvillainy would be out a month later.

I put on Hell Hath No Fury for the first time in a while - maybe years - and it was quite the trip down memory lane. I guess it's no surprise it sold poorly, and I don't even recall much advertising or marketing behind it. The only reason I knew about it was the critical praise given to it, and it was the first time I knew who the Neptunes were. This is still my favorite work from all concerned - to this day, whenever I hear news about Pharrell I think of this album.

this was the first time you’d heard of the neptunes?

First time I heard them by name, yeah! I knew the previous hits they produced, but I wasn't looking at credits. I wasn't amassing a collection of records, just listening to the radio.

Apologies if someone’s already posted about the new album, out 7/11, on one of the many other Clipse related threads

https://pitchfork.com/news/clipse-announce-let-god-sort-em-out-first-new-album-since-2009/

I thought of starting a fresh thread for this, but someone else can do that and get yelled at for it 🙃

First single “Ace Trumpets”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JQ2FE1IvQk

Sounding as good as ever

pretty good yeah

KAWS album art is lame tho

Yellow diamonds look like pee-pee

― chicken jockme (Pusha T), Sunday, June 1, 2025 4:40 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sounding as good as ever

― whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Sunday, June 1, 2025 4:44 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

pretty good yeah

― flopson, Sunday, June 1, 2025 6:50 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol @ pronouncing wi-fi as wee-fee for the rhyme.

lol whiney. i think we all can agree that malice has the better verse

New single's good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URlPXepBZdo

where was this Pharrell the past decade