Orgy -- "Blue Monday"Psuedo Echo -- "Funky Town"Quiet Riot -- "Cum on Feel the Noize" (bonus points for following it up with "Mama Weer all Crazee Now")
Shouldn't there be a rule that you have to hit on your own merits before you pillage someone else?
― rainman (rainman), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― ModJ (ModJ), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)
Go for it! Make the rule happen!
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― ModJ (ModJ), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)
And I sincerely hope you're joking, either way. If not, trust me: Will to Power and Mitch Ryder are more artists than you'll ever be.
― chuck, Friday, 13 February 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― chuck, Friday, 13 February 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― BrianB (BrianB), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)
Anyway, Alien Ant Farm.
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)
Umm, yeah, the quotes surrounding Artists was meant to emphasize those who covered someone else because they didn't really have it to hit on their own. So, in other words, not trying to ruffle Mitch Ryder fan feathers.
trust me: Will to Power and Mitch Ryder are more artists than you'll ever be.
Fair enough. I suppose I'm more Computer Guy than they'll ever be.
― rainman (rainman), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― otto, Friday, 13 February 2004 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― may pang (maypang), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― billstevejim, Friday, 13 February 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)
I felt bad to see him on the list with Kato Kaelin and, uh, those other people. Also Martha Reeves was on the list, she deserves more dignity too.Though I would love a phonecall from either M. Hint hint!
― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― anode (anode), Friday, 13 February 2004 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― rainman (rainman), Friday, 13 February 2004 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― mike a, Friday, 13 February 2004 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)
I wanna explore this little nugget of wisdom here some more, just because it will be fun. I have my scalpel ready...
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 13 February 2004 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 13 February 2004 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)
Add to list:
Michael Damian ("Rock On")Undisputed Truth (Temptations did "Smiling Faces Sometimes" first)Lou Bega ("Mambo No. 5" was a Louis Prima thing)The Nylons ("Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye")Blue Swede (covers x 2: "Hooked on a Feeling," "Never My Love")Frijid Pink ("House of the Rising Sun")Santa Esmerelda ("Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood")
and does Kon Kan kount?
― Joseph McCombs, Friday, 13 February 2004 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Leee Majors (Leee), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)
So that I don't have to endure bands like Orgy, who if it weren't for them hitching their wagon to the star of a classic like "Blue Monday," had no business getting attention because their original stuff sucked. I pick on them especially because I thought their version was an abomination and it took about five seconds of their video to see that they were all style over Substance (pun intended).
― rainman (rainman), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)
Surely, you've had to endure worse original hits.
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)
Anyway, if an act does "make it" via an original song, how does this affect the act's integrity (or quality or whatever) in anyway, whatsoever, as opposed to "making it" via a cover?
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)
I don't know, though. What I tossed out there as (what I thought was) a fairly innocuous thread, has turned into a different animal. For instance, Joan Jett pretty much built her career on the same thing I rip on Quiet Riot for, but because I think she's cool I give her a pass. But, like I said at the start of the thread, the whole thing came about as a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to hearing what was imho a lame-ass cover of that White Stripes' song by someone I'd never heard.
― rainman (rainman), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)
Right on. I just thought about that, too. Maybe that's the cover they toss off at the end of their set, but the suits in charge don't have enough faith in their original stuff to push it. So, I suppose it's just as much, if not moreso, an indictment of the industry as it is of the bands. Of course, the flipside is what if their original stuff really does suck. I mean, I owned those records I mentioned above and if you take away the covers you had some seriously bad records.
― rainman (rainman), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― rainman (rainman), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Catherine (Catherine), Friday, 13 February 2004 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)
the beatlesthe rolling stones
band that started out as, and never was anything but, a cover band:
the carter family
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 13 February 2004 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― chuck, Friday, 13 February 2004 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sym (shmuel), Friday, 13 February 2004 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― chuck, Friday, 13 February 2004 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― chuck, Friday, 13 February 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 13 February 2004 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)
I think performance counts for something (and is paramount in the jazz world, hence no such stigma there). I'm no more impressed by one-hit wonders who wrote their own songs, if almost all of them were crap. But if the cover is totally uninteresting, there's nothing to admire.
― no opinion, Friday, 13 February 2004 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― chuck, Friday, 13 February 2004 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 13 February 2004 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Saturday, 14 February 2004 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― no opinion, Saturday, 14 February 2004 09:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― antexit (antexit), Saturday, 14 February 2004 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 14 February 2004 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 14 February 2004 09:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 14 February 2004 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)
But Psuedo Echo grrr I wont have them sullied by that shitty cover they did late in their career anyway!
― Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 14 February 2004 09:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― dave q, Saturday, 14 February 2004 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 14 February 2004 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jole (Jole), Saturday, 14 February 2004 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Saturday, 14 February 2004 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)
I think I'm getting the point of this thread now -- it's one thing to be an *interpreter* of a song (like Cassandra Wilson, Nina Simone, and so many others), but something different to just go through the motions of a retread.
To that end I bring up Save Ferris's needless reworking of "Come On Eileen" and everything Goldfinger ever did. Oh, and the Ataris' "Boys of Summer," though it's too early to give them one-hit-wonder status.
― Joseph McCombs, Saturday, 14 February 2004 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)
"Aztec Camera covered "Jump" a little while after VH released it.
It wasn't a hit 'though - it was the B-side of "All I Need Is Everything".
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Saturday, 14 February 2004 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Saturday, 14 February 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 14 February 2004 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)
Have Speedway had any other hits apart from that cover of Genie in a Bottle?
― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 14 February 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― ___ (___), Saturday, 14 February 2004 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)
This is just false.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 14 February 2004 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― tod (tod), Saturday, 14 February 2004 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)
The Beatles may have started out as a cover band live, but their first proper single had self-written songs on both sides A and B.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 15 February 2004 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)
Info came from AMG. Again, what it showed was that that was the only record to make the Billboard "top 40 Mainstream" list. They had other songs on other charts, even no. 1's, so how you define a "hit" is crucial here...
― no opinion, Sunday, 15 February 2004 05:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 15 February 2004 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― Shaman Rikki, Sunday, 15 February 2004 05:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 15 February 2004 05:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 15 February 2004 05:52 (twenty-two years ago)
Kim Wilde--I certainly remember "Kids in America" as a hit. AMG says it got to No. 29 on the "Mainstream Rock" chart, but I really don't understand which charts are relevant. No listing for that song and on the "Hot 100" chart.
― no opinion, Sunday, 15 February 2004 08:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Sunday, 15 February 2004 08:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 15 February 2004 10:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pinche Pendejo (Pinche Pendejo), Sunday, 15 February 2004 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)
ok, but their first "improper" single was "my bonnie," the beatles backing tony sheridan, covers on both the A and B, and that's the single that brought them to brian epstein's attention, which is to say, that's the single that set them on their way.
and then once they got the chance to record "proper" albums:
first album: eight originals, six covers.
second album: eight orignials, six covers.
third album: all original.
fourth album, eight originals, six or seven covers depending how you count the medley.
my point being solely that they established themselves in the first place as a live cover band and then for several albums did originals and covers simultaneously. they certainly didn't establish themselves as an original band before they started pillaging others, as proposed in this thread's original question. and i think they're a good example of why a rule like that might eliminate some rather worthy "artists."
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Sunday, 15 February 2004 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― Beta (abeta), Sunday, 15 February 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)
then again, his best album, never mind the hits, is an all-covers album: "nilsson sings newman."
there's a dude who was just plain comfortable, and brilliant, doing whatever the hell he felt like doing.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Sunday, 15 February 2004 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)
Richard Carpenter co-wrote a few of their hits.
And I'm going to say this for the last time, Soft Cell are NOT one hit wonders. Neither are Dexy's or Madness. I don't care what the idiot US charts say.
― LondonLee (LondonLee), Sunday, 15 February 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)
This statement is even funnier if you remember that the only reason why Quiet Riot covered "Mama Weer All Crazee Now" was to keep the Mama's Boys' version off of the charts.
― Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Sunday, 15 February 2004 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)
One question, though. Does this mean bar bands will have to stick to playing their own songs (to prevent an accidental hit cover)? This could have its drawbacks.
― Curt (cgould), Sunday, 15 February 2004 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)
I didn't know they even did that, and what about 'Accidently Kelly Street" eh?
― Sasha (sgh), Monday, 16 February 2004 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)
I'm sure the original artist and the parasitic record executives who feed off their life force don't complain about the royalties that cover bands generate for them. The only people who get uppity about it are the impressionables who live vicariously through their fav band's antics. Remember, Motley Crue don't trash their own motel rooms. They have people to do that for them while they get manicures LOL!
― Osama, Wednesday, 24 November 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 25 November 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― chuck, Thursday, 25 November 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)
Ram Jam ("Black Betty," a Leadbelly cover)
― chuck, Thursday, 25 November 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― mr.drew, Thursday, 25 November 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― chris andrews (fraew), Thursday, 25 November 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Thursday, 25 November 2004 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 25 November 2004 09:33 (twenty-one years ago)
With Bronski Beat: I Feel Love & It Ain't Necessarily So.
With The Communards: Don't Leave Me This Way & Never Can Say Goodbye. (These were their two biggest hits.)
Solo: You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real), To Love Somebody, Comment Te Dire Adieu & Hurts So Good. (These were his four biggest hits.)
Total: 8.
Sticking with Big Gay Pop, Marc Almond's only three Top 20 hits were covers: Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart, Jacky & The Days Of Pearly Spencer.
In 1993, KWS & Undercover were both nominated for Best Newcomer awards at the Brits, on the strength of two Top 20 singles each. All of these were covers.
Of Clock's eight Top 20 hits (1995 to 1998), at least six were covers. (Axel F, Whoomph (There It Is), Oh What A Night (= December 63), You Sexy Thing, That's The Way (I Like It), Blame It On The Boogie.
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Why Does Herr Dadaismus Run Amok? (Dada), Thursday, 25 November 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― simon 803 (simon 803), Thursday, 25 November 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― fancy bill, Thursday, 25 November 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Bernard the Butler (Lynskey), Thursday, 25 November 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― jasiska, Thursday, 25 November 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)
And a big NO on Three Dog Night -- they didn't write their songs, but only a handful of their hits were covers. The rest were solicitations from demos, and I don't think recording a track from a songwriter's demo counts as a "cover."
But I'll trot out Donny Osmond since all of his '70s hits were covers.
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 25 November 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 25 November 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Atnevon (Atnevon), Friday, 26 November 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― 3underscore (___), Friday, 26 November 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)
Blue Cheer - Summertime BluesSmith - Baby, It's You
― Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 26 November 2004 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark h, Friday, 26 November 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ken L District (Ken L), Friday, 26 November 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark h, Friday, 26 November 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 26 November 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)