Taking Sides: "Smells Like Teen Spirit" Versus "Hey Ya!"

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And before all pop music milktoasts dismiss SLTS with a "dance music is a unifying force", who else but Nirvana has gotten metalheads to headbang to a Pixies tribute!!!!

THAT IS WHY GRUNGE RULES!!!! FACEMELTING GUITAR NOIZE = UNIFIES INDIE FUQZ AND METALHEADS!!!!

Also, do real metalheads like The Darkness?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, do real metalheads like The Darkness?

NO!!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I choose "Lithium"

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hey Ya." Better lyrics, better beat. No "grunge" movement to blame on these guys yet.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i choose wheelz of steel and touch ne i'm sick

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

in all seriousness Hey Ya, though.

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

However, there is a movement of drunk frat asshats thinking they're really cool.

(Intro)
One two three go!

My baby don't mess around
Because she loves me so
And this I know fo shooo...
Uh, but does she really wanna
But can't stand to see me
Walk out the doo...
Don't try to fight the feelin'
Because the thought alone is killing me right nooww...
Uh, thank god for mom and dad
For sticking through together
'Cause we don't know hooowww...
UH!

(Chorus)
Heeeyyy... Yaaaaaaa...
Heeyy Yaaaaaaaa...
Heeeyyy... Yaaaaaaa...
Heeyy Yaaaaaaaa...
Heeeyyy... Yaaaaaaa...
Heeyy Yaaaaaaa...
Heeeyyy... Yaaaaaaa...
Heeyy Yaaaaaaaa...

You think you've got it
Ohh, you think you've go it
But got it just don't get it
Till' there's nothing at
AaaaaaaaAAAAAAAaaaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaallllll...
We've been together
Ohh, we've been together
Ohh, we've been together
But seperate's always better when there's feelings
InvooooooOOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOOooooooOOOOOlved
If what they say is "Nothing is forever"
Then what makes, Then what makes LOOVVEEE?
(Love exception) So why you, why you
Why you, why you, why you are we so in denial
When we are not happy heeeerrreeee...
Y'all don't want me here you just wanna dance

Chorus
Heeeyyy... Yaaaaaaa...(OHH OH)
Heeyy Yaaaaaaaa.. (OHH OH)
Heeeyyy... Yaaaaaaaa...(Don't want to meet your daddy, OHH OH)
Heeyy Yaaaaaaa...(Just want you in my Caddy OHH OH)
Heeeyyy... Yaaaaaaa... (OHH OH, don't want to meet yo' mamma OHH OH)
Heeeyyy... Yaaaaaa...(I'm, OHH OH I'm, OHH OH)
Heeyy Yaaaaaaaa... (I'm just being honest OHH OH, I'm just being honest)

(Bridge-Andre 3000)
Hey, alright now
Alright now fealous, (YEAH)
Now what's cooler than bein' cool?
(ICE COLD!) I can't hear ya'
I say what's cooler than bein' cool?
(ICE COLD!) whooo...
Alright, alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright, OK now ladies, (YEAH)
And we gon' break this back down in just a few seconds
Now don't have me break this thang down for nothin'
Now I wanna see y'all on y'all baddest behavior
Gimme some suga', I am your neighber ahh here we go!
Shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it (OHH OH)
Shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it (OHH OH)
Shake, shake it like a Poloroid Picture, shake it, shake it
Shh you got to, shake it, shh, shake it, shake it, got yo shake it
(Shake it Suga') shake it like Poloroid Picture

Andre 3000 (Repeating "Shake it" in background)
Now while Beyonce and Lucy Liu
And baby dogs, get on the floor
(Get on the floor)
You know what to dooo...
Yoooooouuu... Know I do

CHORUS
Heeeyyy... Yaaaaaaa... (OHH OH)
Heeyy Yaaaaaaaa... (OHH OH)
Heeeyyy... Yaaaaaaa... (OHH OH)
Heeyy Yaaaaaaaa... (Uh oh, Hey ya)
Heeeyyy... Yaaaaaaa... (OHH OH)
Heeyy Yaaaaaaaa... (Uh, uh, OHH OH)
Heeeyyy... Yaaaaaaa... (OHH OH)
Heeyy Yaaaaaaaa... (OHH OH)

(Chorus continues until fade)

Load up on guns
Bring your friends
It’s fun to lose
And to pretend
She’s overboard
Myself assured
I know I know
A dirty word

Hello (x 16)

With the lights out it’s less dangerous
Here we are now
Entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
Here we are now
Entertain us
A mulatto
An albino
A mosquito
My libido
Yea

I’m worse at what I do best
And for this gift I feel blessed
Our little group has always been
And always will until the end

Hello (x 16)

With the lights out it’s less dangerous
Here we are now
Entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
Here we are now
Entertain us
A mulatto
An albino
A mosquito
My libido
Yea

And I forget
Just what it takes
And yet I guess it makes me smile
I found it hard
Its hard to find
Oh well, whatever, nevermind

Hello (x 16)

With the lights out it’s less dangerous
Here we are now
Entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
Here we are now
Entertain us
A mulatto
An albino
A mosquito
My libido
Yea

I THINK THAT "SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT" IS ABOUT "HEY YA!"

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hey Ya" is surprisingly good for a hip-hop tune
"Smells Like Teen Spirit" is surprisingly good for a metal (because grunge is metal, just face it!) tune.

I guess I'll go for the latter, but both are great.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i choose to abstain

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

However, there is a movement of drunk frat asshats thinking they're really cool

yeah but that's the case with both groups so it cancels out.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Funky white kids vs. Angsty white kids FITE!!!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hey Ya" is not funky.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, do real metalheads like The Darkness?

Real metalheads want the Darkness disembowled with all stealth!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Did real metalheads like Van Halen?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The worst DJ I've ever seen once mixed "Come As You Are" into "Hey Ya". Smooth.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Some may argue that SLTS's genius lies in its stupidity -- ehh. Hey Ya's genius lies in its genius. Song about nothing in too earnest a style for a song about nothing/song about something. Point Outkast.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Did real metalheads like Van Halen?

of course they did.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you equating the Darkness with Van Halen? If so, you are fit to be flayed alive.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)

A better question would be did real metalheads like Spinal Tap.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I THINK THAT "SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT" IS ABOUT "HEY YA!"

Holy shit, that may be the most brilliant thing ever said ~~on ILM~~.

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)

hee jody beat me to it

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

A better question would be did real metalheads like Spinal Tap.

of course they did. (all in good fun and all that)

The Darkness just blow.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

A better question would be did real metalheads like Spinal Tap.

I know that Kiss didn't find it funny in the slightest. But I think a lot of metalheads resepected it (as it was done lovingly) and even went so far as to actual like "the band" itself (I know I bought the album, and put "Hell Hole" back to back on mixtapes next to Accept, Iron Maiden and Helix). I think what sets Spinal Tap apart from The Darkness is that THEY COVERED IT FIRST, and DID IT BETTER!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a damn shame about the Darkness, because their name would be a great band name without the "the", and even then, the name is wasted on a piss-poor metal joke.

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

everytime i come to work people aske me what i am listening to and when i say kanye west they say "whats that" and i say he is an mc/producer and they say "oh that hiphop stuff" and i say "yes" and they say "is it anything like outkast? i like them". i vote for primus.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Any Metalhead who doesn't at least appreciate the Darkness is not a real Metalhead.

― scottontharox (scottkundla), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Primus was fucking great live

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I think what sets Spinal Tap apart from The Darkness is that THEY COVERED IT FIRST, and DID IT BETTER!

While I totally, totally, agree as far as the humor goes, I'd actually argue that the hooks on some Darkness songs would work fine if the singer didn't try so hard to make his ludicrousness so OBVIOUS. Like if he didn't reach for notes he can't actually hit. They'd be the best Heart songs in ages, you know?

And did metalheads dig Heart, btw?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

female ones did

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Any Metalhead who doesn't at least appreciate the Darkness is not a real Metalhead.

I do not appreciate but I acknowledge.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

yes primus was. i saw them once. i had fun. i think they are touring again, and herb is back isnt he?

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the Darkness are funny sometimes but I'm still not convinced they're joking about what they're doing. I don't mean that they take it totally seriously, just that they're not joking.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Primus should bring THE LOCUST on tour.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

if he ain't joking than that singer is just bad.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, do real metalheads like The Darkness?

YES.

― George Smith, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post

(actually that works for both Primus and Darkness so yay)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

this is the only bone of contention i have with George.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think he's bad either - he hits the notes well enough for me, anyway. He's the easiest singer in ages to do an impression of, though, which is a Good Thing.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Joey DeMaio and Manowar to thread. It's time to once again do battle with

false metal!

― George Smith, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

He's the easiest singer in ages to do an impression of
personally his high notes are bit hard for me to reach (though I guess I might be able to do his blubbery thing) but I wish you had said this at the Xmas fap. I sooo would have made you prove it.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

OH NO! WE'VE BEEN HIJACKED!!
http://www.swordplaystudios.com/images/characters/pirates-xl.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha "an impression" != "a facsimile" - luckily!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Google image search: "false metal"

http://www.schroedingers-cat.com/goddess/guitarfire.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

my problem with The Darkness is this:(and this is the last time i'll talk about them) Their are tons of current unironic power metal bands who do what the darness are attempting to do only they do it a lot better. and the darkness aren't funny. to me. and their songs aren't very good. to me. there. that's it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Kiss didn't [Spinal Tap] find it funny in the slightest...

Spotting evidence of funny bones in Kiss is hard work.

― George Smith, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

hey scott can you recommend me some good unironic pop-metal (is that the same thing as power-metal) bands? I'd like the Donnas more if the singer was more animated vocally (though the major label stuff is an improvement there) and I'd like the Darkness more if the singer was animated in a less ironic manner.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

(oh and the Donnas and the Darkness are as close to what I'm looking for as I can find on the radio)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Google image search: "false metal"

More evidence of technical faults nagging Google search engineers.

― George Smith, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

...some good unironic pop-metal...

Please send dour pop-metal now.

― George Smith, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Did real metalheads like this:

http://www.xenafan.com/movies/bod/images/burger05.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Spotting evidence of funny bones in Kiss is hard work.

this is so so true and yet so so befuddling as we are essentially talking about kabuki comic book demons who spit blood.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Please send dour pop-metal now.

Well that was a lot of grunge, yeah?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Please send dour pop-metal now.

Ok maybe Warrant and Poison were ironic or dour, I dunno.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:20 (twenty-two years ago)

anthony, just buy the first Starz record. it's from the 70's but once you hear it you won't even remember that there was such a thing as the darkness. granted, that isn't current, but you need to hear it anyway. unless you have heard it of course, in which case i'll come up with something else.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

this is so so true and yet so so befuddling as we are essentially talking about kabuki comic book demons who spit blood

Ah, Scott, you would have loved EZO, a Gene Simmons managed band from Japanese-land, thrust upon all countless times during the Eighties if you went to a lot of sub mid-level perisher gigs.

― George Smith, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I was shocked to read today that The Darkness concert here is sold out, like a month in advance! Seriously, it's not until March 27th, and it's already sold out. Unbelievable.

― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the darkness write very good songs, and i'm inclined to agree with tom that i don't think they think of themselves as a novelty band; there's in truth to that standby quote about them being ironic completely unironically. i also think their humour is a kind of ingenious and v. crucial element to their success - it provides people who would otherwise have qualms with metal a safe entry point without any of the perceived attendent stigmas.

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought we were over stigma in music-liking!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Well that was a lot of grunge, yeah?

No, that was dour heavily electrified folk rock.

― George Smith, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

ok I'll search for the starz but I'm curious what bands you were talking about when you talked about the modern unappreciated unironic stuff.

I guess I'm sort of looking for Redd Kross with the major-label sheen of Permission To Land.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

starz were genius. start with "so young, so bad."

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)

If people called them twee metal I wouldn't mind - the 'irony' is part of a wider selfconsciousness/cuteness. They're the Orange Juice of metal!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, Scott, you would have loved EZO,

I love EZO!! i was just playing them a couple weeks ago.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

tweetal?

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Album-wise, Starz tanked real fast, about halfway through "Violation."

They gave into label pressure and pumped out "Attention Shoppers!" -- alienating almost everyone who liked things like "Boys in Action," "Detroit Girls," and "Night Crawler."

― George Smith, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

tweetal dumb and tweetal dee

― Patrick Kinghorn, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I love EZO!! i was just playing them a couple weeks ago.

I knew it! They were often more rigidly Kiss than Kiss -- loud, stiff and atonal in entertaining ways.

― George Smith, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess I'm sort of looking for Redd Kross with the major-label sheen of Permission To Land.

Oh, so late eighties/early nineties Redd Kross, then.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony, you could always buy some new Dio or U.D.O. or King's X, but for current stuff try as hard as you can to find the Midnight Sun album Metal Machine. Their song "Metal Gods" made my pazz and jop top ten a couple years ago and it makes mincemeat of the entire Darkness album. Or you could try Angel Dust or on the symphonic tip try Blind Guardian's A Night At The Opera. or try Star One's Space Metal album. that's also wonderful. kinda like Whitesnake in space.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, so late eighties/early nineties Redd Kross, then.

Hey I've got Neurotica and Third Eye. Sheenier, please! SHEENIER!

You had me with Dio and lost me with King's X, Scott. Slowly backing away now...

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Sheenier, please! SHEENIER!

Ya tried Phaseshifter yet?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:59 (twenty-two years ago)

nope, actually. graci!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

You had me with Dio
actually, of what I heard I only like the songs where he acknowledges what a little spud he is, like "Rainbow In The Dark" and ESPECIALLY "I Could Have Been A Dreamer."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

See the thing about Nirvana and Outkast is that I find listening to either band very boring.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

You might not find it sheenier but it was the followup to Third Eye and I seem to recall enjoying it for what it was.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

well, ignore the dio and king's x then. hell, i don't listen to new dio or king's x either. just wanted to point out that they were still around. you will looooooove midnight sun. i guarantee it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Please send dour pop-metal now.

actually this is a fair description of my pazz and jop number one, katatonia, come to think of it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

aren't the darkness just AWK redux?

― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

aren't the darkness just AWK redux?
so very no (though I don't really care much for either besides, like, "the hit")

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

in what ways do they differ? i haven't heard the darkness; that assumption was based purely on the advertisements i've seen around and various hearsay.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

the darkness have a BIT more variety songwise, and the singer has an operatic type range. Overall the Darkness are much, much less monolithic. Both are basically absurd rock but it's like the different between All-Star Football and a Pat Benatar video.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

like the difference, I mean

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

the darkness remind me of some aging pub-rockers trying to latch on to the NWOBHM in 1979. but not in a good way.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

do you have a tape-deck, anthony? i can't make cd's our cd burner thingy isn't working right. e-mail me your address and i'll tape you some stuff, okay?

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

awesome! will do!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

the darkness remind me of some aging pub-rockers trying to latch on to the NWOBHM in 1979. but not in a good way.

yeah, see, i would like that if it was "in a good way." can you recommend me some aging pub-rockers who fit this bill?

― jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

well the vibrators guitar solos are pretty metal. at least when they played here

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

my other favorite fakers were the bar bands who sadly tried to go skinny tie or punk.Once the cars hit it big they were everywhere. there are a lot of those. jeez, examples, well heck, i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of actual NWOBHM bands had pub-rock roots.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Cock Sparrer were a pub rock band before they were a famous Oi band.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

but then Oi bands already remind me of pub rock bands anyway. not much of a stretch.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

THE BUSINESS with their Guinness-aping t-shirts love you.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

And i love The Business! god, do i ever.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

It's like asking if "real metalheads like Trixter." Answer: NO. Only surburnan white dudes in high tops and acid-washed jeans like Trixter.

― Helen, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i wish 'new wave' had been called 'skinny tie' instead.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)

also, Teen Spirit obviously because Nirvana were being Authentic and Sincere, as all music should be. i mean, look where irony got us.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:40 (twenty-two years ago)

"Endless, Nameless"

Best Nirvana song ever!

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I choose "Aneurysm". That's a bettter song than "Teen Spirit" (even though I still like that song, as overplayed as it is). I like Hey Ya!" as well but it's really not comparable. Aja has good taste in Nirvana songs. Unfortunately my copy of Nevermind doesn't have that hidden track:(

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:49 (twenty-two years ago)

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" was released over twelve years ago. I suspect that, twelve years from now, we're more likely to be comparing songs to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" than we are to "Hey Ya!," which has already begun to seem a little boring (although I like that video where it's performed by the Peanuts characters).

― subgenius (subgenius), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I choose "Aneurysm".

That is a good one.

I would definalty have that as second or third. It truly is a Nirvana song seeing as to how they all wrote it.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Unfortunately my copy of Nevermind doesn't have that hidden track:(

It's also on the "Come as You are" single.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Cool, thanks for that bit of info, Aja!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Can we get a list of who voted for both Outkast and the Darkness on the P&J poll?

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear God!!!

"Hey Ya" is on.

I think I'll listen to "Endless, Nameless" instead.

Where is my cd...

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I suspect that, twelve years from now, we're more likely to be comparing songs to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" than we are to "Hey Ya!," which has already begun to seem a little boring

Right, and Teen Spirit is fresh as a daisy. It sounds like it was recorded in 1963, er, sorry, 1987!

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I never thought (or knew) that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was that great a song when I first remember hearing it. I was eight though. I think I remeber "Come as You are" more clearly. But all I remember from that was the question:

"What's he saying?"

"Something about Maria?"

"Damn Maria?"

"I don't know?"

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:06 (twenty-two years ago)

um, hey ya for the pure dancability factor and how it gets EVERYONE on the floor.

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Not uh!

I turn it off.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:07 (twenty-two years ago)

you turn hey ya off? well, aja, i never really liked you anyways

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok.

I don't care. As long as you don't ask me to kill myself, I won't care.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

ok, how about severely injure yourself? or maim yourself even?

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Nah.

Not today.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:14 (twenty-two years ago)

we should lock the "death to false metal" people in a room with the "representing the REAL hip-hop" people and then forget we locked them there and conveniently misplace the key and also solder the door shut

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:14 (twenty-two years ago)

at least if you solder the door shut, they can't come out of the room with, say, the sequel to the Judgment Night soundtrack or whatever.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:16 (twenty-two years ago)

OTM

― Sym (shmuel), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)

My mom hates "Hey Ya" too.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:18 (twenty-two years ago)

word hstencil

and aja, i dont really hate you, but i think that i could.
your mom on the other hand, she is no good, a bad apple so to speak.

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Why do you think you could hate me?

You wouldn't feel that way if you got to really know me.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:20 (twenty-two years ago)

well, i think that i have the capacity to hate everyone, especially 13 year olds.

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Aww.

Why the thirteen year olds? I just turned thirteen!

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:22 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, that is the only reason. seriously.

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:25 (twenty-two years ago)

What's wrong with thriteen year olds?

Did something happen to you when you were thirteen?

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, lots of repressed memories and the such, y'know.

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorry.

But you shouldn't be mad at all thirteen year olds.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:29 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, i am not mad at them, i just hate them

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Nirvana had some good tunes. This isn't one I particularly care for. Outkast USED to be great. "Hey Ya" is horrid. So I choose "Smell Like Teen Spirit". I could probably fill a whole CD with Outkast songs I like better than any Nirvana though.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It's almost the same.

Please don't hate me.

Did you hate yourself at thirteen?

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I quite enjoyed being 13 years old. Thats when I started playing guitar and saw tits in person for the first time. Its been all downhill from there.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Johnny, you get Probot yet?

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:33 (twenty-two years ago)

i never hate myself, only others.

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:34 (twenty-two years ago)

That's sad.

So, does that mean you have no girlfriend?

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i guess you can say that, but i dont think my hatred of other people really factors into my lack of love life.

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:36 (twenty-two years ago)

No still no probot for me. I'm a bit strapped for cash til I get my next paycheck. Which will be the 27th I believe. I'll get it for sure though and let you know what I think. I wish he'd done a few different album covers - like since Mike Dean's on one tune they should have had an alternate cover done by Pushead in the "Animosity" vein.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but I don't think a relationship can last if you hate the other person

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Johnny, you hear about my new guitar?

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I actually like "Way You Move" more than "Hey Ya" but "Hey Ya" is a good tune too. I prefer "Teen Spirit" but I'm not really sure what aspects/qualities are being compared by this question.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:40 (twenty-two years ago)

No whats your new guitar??

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I can show you a picture of the modle if you want, but I'll discribe it first.

It's a Fender Stratocaster. It's marron with a black pick guard and it's left handed.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

It looks like this, but it's left handed.

http://www.zzounds.com/media/brand,zzounds/p20639H-df1b4f235931493f090485dfffa41af0.jpg

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:46 (twenty-two years ago)

wait aja, is your guitar left-handed?

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Nice. Great color. I have a maroon Fender Heavy Metal Prodigy Strat from back in the early 90's with a black pickguard. Also has a Duncan Thrash Metal humbucker I put in later. Of course I spray painted parts of it and beat it to death but Fenders are TOUGH guitars and its still my favorite to play.

I'm glad you got yourself a southpaw git. Didn't you say you were wanting a lefty guitar??

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah. I'm left handed.

The only problem is my other guitar has a different neck and I have to get used to the one on the stratocaster. I'm writing something on the right handed one and then trying to play it on my left handed one. I also got a couple pedals.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i guess i need to pronounce my sarcasm just a little louder.

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasn't talking to you

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Sweet. It used to be a great day anytime I got some new gear. I was such a gear head. I guess I still am but I can't afford to go buy new stuff all the time anymore.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I love my new guitar.

I'm thinking of calling it 'Kitty'

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:54 (twenty-two years ago)

What pedals did you get??

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you in a band yet?

― Jole, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

can i kill myself now or do i have to wait?

― todd swiss (eliti), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry dude. Who are you talking to??

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I got a flanger and an overdrive with distortion.

I'm not in a band yet.

First I need friends who know how to play an instrument, then I can think about starting a band

can i kill myself now or do i have to wait?

I'll tell you what I told jess.

Go right ahead.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean what kind of flanger and overdrive with distortion??

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:58 (twenty-two years ago)

HEY AJA WANNA BE IN MY BAND WE SOUND LIKE US MAPLE + GAMELAN WORLD MUSIC.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 06:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean what kind of flanger and overdrive with distortion??

This kind.

http://www.chrisguitars.com/boss-bf2-0703.jpg

Where do you live Jon?

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Mine is a newer version though. Has more jacks

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:02 (twenty-two years ago)

ROCHESTER NY BY PROVIDENCE RI X NYC

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTRY!!!

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I have an old Boss Bass Flanger somewhere. Its cool. Boss really does rule in the world of basic effects pedals.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:05 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah.

Does yours have a setting that says "gate pan" or something like that?

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Mine have jacks for guitar and bass

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Mine just had one input. I don't really like the idea of flange on bass but the bass flanger sounded great on the guitar cause it flanged everything an octave lower; which I actually preferred cause flangers can get real trebly if you're not careful and will slice your ear drums to shreds if you're playing real loud with a band in a garage or basement.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure mine was exactly like that one in the picture there other than that - mine was called the BF-2B.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I like to use my flanger and distortion at the same time.

It gets really loud though

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:13 (twenty-two years ago)

This is my OD/DS pedal

http://www.bosspedals.co.uk/acatalog/OS-2.jpg

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

When I recorded I preferred to use nothing but my Metal Zone through my amp rig. If I wanted an effect in there I would usually put the effect on a clean tone and layer it on top of the dry crunch. I'm really into My Bloody Valentine - "Loveless" so I like to use layering to create an oceanic depth effect.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I haven't recorded anything yet

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never played with the Overdrive/Distortion pedal. I always preferred the metal pedals. Boss Metal Zone and Ibanez Powerlead Soundtank were good ones. And I had this Boogie tube distortion pedal with a couple different channels that just rocked until I fried it.

Recording is the best. Just being able to take something you've written and run with it and see where the recording process takes it and seeing/hearing what it becomes is my favorite part of being a musician. Playing live is cool but you can't really be that creative playing live - you just play it like you already know it. Recording gives you the chance to try so many new things. You're gonna love recording.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably.

But I have to get better at playing; and desiding when the song is right. I've changed this one song so many times. It doesn't sound much like it did when I first came up with it. It has pretty much the same rythm to it though.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway, I've got to get a nap. good luck. You remind me a lot of myself at that age. Just remember if YOU like something you come up with, then its good.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks.

It'll be good acoustic. I know it will be.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

This is like three threads in one.
I pick SLTS.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Who in their right mind could compare these two songs? One is by a forgettable, boring, irrelevant act while the other changed the world. Lyrically, there simply isn't competition.

Load up on guns, bring your friends
It's fun to lose and to pretend.
She's over-bored, self-assured,
Oh know, I know a dirty word.

Hello, hello, hello
How low?

The last two lines (self-assured/dirty word), in terms of context and technical prowess, make 'hey ya' (nice song title, geeks) look like elementary poetry at best.

'but got it just don't get it
until there's nothing at all'

Uhhh....good one?

― JesusMaryChain, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah, i remember this thread. it's the one where i talk about the darkness for 4 hours. Oy, i need a vacation.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I vote for Nirvana here and btw, Aja really oddly reminds me of Geir. God onry knows why.

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

How do I remind you of Geir?

― Aja (aja), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

For real, I don't know! Maybe it's the earnest way you coped with the anti-13 year old-bit upthread - reminded me of how Geir blissfully ignores the occasions he gets Southall irate (but without the blissful ignorance).

Oh forget it, I'm loaded on tons of non-prescriptive drugs this week and all my talk is confused. Carry on.

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir has the heart of a 13 year old girl.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

he keeps it on his desk in a jar.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

scott seward, ladeez and germs!

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 19 February 2004 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

They're both irritating novelty songs that got way too much play.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

but one has that neat extra 2/4 bar

― p@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

Hey Ya is so completely annoying at this point

Give it 10 years

― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 02:01 (nineteen years ago)

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