Why Has The UK Album Char Gone So Old Fart Middle Of The Road?

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Top 40 Albums (14/03/2004)


TW LW Title Artist Label
1 (1) Call Off The Search Katie Melua -Dramatico
2 (2) Feels Like Home Norah Jones -Blue Note
3 ( ) The Jukebox Years Daniel O'donnell -Dmg Tv
4 (5) Twentysomething Jamie Cullum -Ucj
5 ( ) Just For You Lionel Richie -Mercury
6 ( ) Only You Harry Connick Jr -Columbia
7 ( ) His Greatest Love Songs Engelbert Humperdinck -Umtv
8 (4) Thank You Jamelia -Parlophone
9 (3) When It Falls Zero 7 -Ultimate Dilemma
10 (10) Friday's Child Will Young -S
11 ( ) Ultimate Manilow Barry Manilow -Arista

Commercial radio? TV Advertising? Pop Idol? Cheap CD's at ASDA?
What has happened to the album charts?

Redman, Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The UK Albums Top 40 Chart

Redman, Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

haha 1-11, you just wanted to include barry manillow didn't you?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Old Fart!!! to thread.

omg, Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

hee hee yeah!
Look at the rest of the top twenty though. It's damn scary.

Redman, Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck it. Here's the rest of the top 40 in all it's glory.

11 ( ) Ultimate Manilow Barry Manilow Arista
12 (6) Elephunk Black Eyed Peas A&M
13 (7) The Singles 1992-2003 No Doubt Interscope
14 (14) The Best Of Leann Rimes Curb/London
15 (8) Speakerboxxx/The Love Below Outkast Arista
16 (13) Final Straw Snow Patrol Fiction/Polydor
17 (12) The Soul Sessions Joss Stone Relentless/Virgin
18 (18) In The Zone Britney Spears Jive
19 (11) Permission To Land Darkness Must Destroy
20 (15) Come Away With Me Norah Jones Parlophone
21 (17) Life For Rent Dido Cheeky
22 (22) Blink 182 Blink 182 Geffen
23 (16) Franz Ferdinand Franz Ferdinand Domino Recordings
24 (9) Greatest Duran Duran Emi
25 (19) Dedicated Lemar Sony Music
26 ( ) Satisfaction Guaranteed - The Very Best Teddy Pendergrass Wsm
27 (25) The Look Of Love Dusty Springfield Umtv
28 (41) Body Language Kylie Minogue Parlophone
29 (23) Start Something Lostprophets Visible Noise
30 (28) O Damien Rice Drm/14th Floor
31 (26) Fallen Evanescence Epic/Wind-Up
32 (21) The Meaning Of Love Michelle S
33 (45) Afterglow Sarah Mclachlan Arista
34 (30) Three Sugababes Island
35 ( ) The Platinum Collection Barbara Dickson Sony Music Tv
36 (27) A Present For Everyone Busted Universal
37 (34) Scissor Sisters Scissor Sisters Polydor
38 (24) Free Me Emma 19
39 (29) Get Rich Or Die Tryin' 50 Cent Interscope
40 (35) Greatest Hits Red Hot Chili Peppers Warner Bros

What's gone wrong with this country?

redman, Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

is it too simplistic to see this as a radio 2 vs. radio 1 thing?
to me it seems that the singles chart is dominated by radio 1 playlisted people, and the album chart by radio 2 playlisted people.

zappi (joni), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Well apart from the lack of a tuneful/tedious Britpop band and a surprise American entry in the Top 10, it's pretty much the same as it's always beeen, isn't it?

pete s, Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's Canada...

1 FEELS LIKE HOME
NORAH JONES
( EMI )
2 FALLEN
EVANESCENCE
( EPIC )
3 CLOSER
JOSH GROBAN
( WBR )
4 ELEPHUNK
BLACK EYED PEAS
( INTERSCOPE )
5 VERY BEST OF SHERYL CROW
SHERYL CROW
( A&M )
6 2004 GRAMMY NOMINEES
VARIOUS
( BMGH )
7 SPEAKERBOXX-LOVE
OUTKAST
( ARISTA )
8 SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL
GREAT BIG SEA
( WEA )
9 JUNO AWARDS 2004
VARIOUS
( UNI )
10 LONG ROAD
NICKELBACK
( EMI )

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, has anyone got an album chart from 1994 for comparison?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

(I don't know how accurate this is, it may be a midweek thing in fact. Also my source is beyond shameful)

10 (6) Under The Pink - Tori Amos (East West)
9 (9) Sting - Ten Summoner's Tales (A&M)
8 (-) Saint Etienne - Tiger Bay (Heavenly)
7 (7) M People - Elegant Slumming (deConstruction)
6 (5) Meatloaf - Bat Out Of Hell 2: Back Into Hell (Virgin)
5 (2) Dina Carroll - So Close (A&M)
4 (-) The Cranberries - Everybody Else Is Doing It, So Why Can't We? (Island)
3 (4) Bjork - Debut (One Little Indian)
2 (2) Enigma - The Cross Of Changes (Virgin)
1 (1) Mariah Carey - Music Box (Columbia)

Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Sunday, 14 March 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all this evil mans fault.


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Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Dods OTM. Parkinson ascension to most important man in British music is fucking depressing.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to like him as well. He should have stuck to Billy Connoly, cricket and Muhammad Ali.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Well I think he forms an evil duo with Terry Wogan, if anything.
It was all down to Wigon that Eva Cassidy was voted one of 'the greatest voices of 20th cent. popular music' remember.

pete s, Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

But by that token, people should be buying Belle and Sebastian by the barrowload as well, since they have also been championed by Radio Two.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Belle and Sebastian's last single was their biggest performing one to date. And, keep in mind, they're nowhere near as Des and Mel friendly as, say, Katie Melua.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The world is like that. These are the things people listen to. This board is probably untypical of life as it's lived. Most indy bands perform to about two hundred people. It's not just middle-aged people who buy this stuff. My sister had a Jimmy Nail record when she was twelve. I had a girlfriend that liked Robson and Jerome. I have a mid-twenties friend who likes Shania Twain and saw her in concert recently. She also likes the Carpenters. The music that comes out of the flats opposite my house, which contain mainly young people, is largely stuff like "Heaven" by DJSammy, and the Shane Ritchie single. A twentiesish woman in the pub was extolling Jamie Callum and Katie Melua to me the other night. And Norah Jones, though she prefers her first album. My next=door neighbour's daughter is sixteen and plays Dido. This is Britain. These are the people. 63 per cent of people under the age of twenty are against the legalisation of cannabis. They are also in favour of the war and in favour of stricter controls against asylum seekers. We have to get over it.

Bunged Up. (Jake Proudlock), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

this is precisely how the album chart began of course, 45 years ago: wall-to-wall musical soundtracks (South Pacific at number one for about three years, on and off) and Sinatra LPs while the singles chart was mainly rock'n'roll and teenbeat. and in 1981 the Charles & Diana wedding album topped the charts. MOR insurgences just seem more obnoxious now because ... i dunno, it's just all so *calculated*, so much in control of a tiny clique, and also that cunt Robbie Fucking Williams legitimised a lot of this stuff for a new generation of 28-year-old women from Sutton and Havering. these people are the reason why Margaret Beckett can call her electorate "the great unwashed" and get away with it. elites love these people because they are the only excuse they have to sleepwalk into dangerous, destabilising wars (the sickening way NuLab apparatchiks say "what does Iraq mean to a single mum in Stockport", as if that can justify anything they might ever do, the utter contempt for the idea of ACCOUNTABILITY TO THEIR PEOPLE). these people are not our friends, and they are the ones being exploited and played upon to result in this week's album chart.

i must admit i have a ridiculous soft spot for "The Closest Thing To Crazy", but only because the Mike Batt connection reminds me of a time when these things weren't so controlled by a tiny clique ... there seemed to be more quirks, more individuality around. Jamie Cullum is a cultural nadir of humanity, and symbolises everything that is wrong with Britain in 2004. don't waste your time worrying about Engelbert Humperdinck compilations (such things have always charted from time to time); fight the real enemy within, and turn the screw on Cullum and the anti-culture which created him.

(edit, re. "Bunged Up"'s post ... oh god, i know, i know, i know ...)

phoebe dinsmore's bastard nephew (robin carmody), Sunday, 14 March 2004 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

but you have to fight (or "punch and kick and bite" to quote W. Stephen Gilbert on Dennis Potter). i'm sorry, but i can't bring myself to "get over" Cullum (although i can get over Melua, who seems quite harmless)

phoebe dinsmore's bastard nephew (robin carmody), Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Keane will fit in quite nicely with punters who buy those cds in the current top 10. And yes its not just oldies who are buying them.

Rock Bastard, Sunday, 14 March 2004 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

What the fuck is wrong with liking the Carpenters?

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

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stevem (blueski), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

The Carpenters kept Stevem's beloved Phil Collins off the top of the charts = THEY MUST DIE.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

63 per cent of people under the age of twenty are against the legalisation of cannabis. They are also in favour of the war and in favour of stricter controls against asylum seekers

interesting stat - where did you get it from?

stevem (blueski), Monday, 15 March 2004 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The Momus "It MUST Be True" Poll Service.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

what percentage are in favour of potsmoking war refugees?

pete s, Monday, 15 March 2004 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)

yebbut "But Seriously" had been number one for months on end before that, believe me - i'm sure i remember hearing Gary Davies announce those 1990 album charts for the first time. on Saturday the Daily Telegraph (which of course i didn't actually read) had a big thing on its front page about "the young people who disagree with their liberal parents" or something like that - i suspect this is what Bunged Out is referring to.

as for Keane, they're merely another example of the ongoing tendency - in the 60s, the vast bulk of British pop music came from the south-east and the West Coast Main Line corridor, whereas now it's become so central to the culture, and the Americosceptic heartlands of wariness of its influence (both Old Tory and Old Labour) have been so systematically eroded, that you get people like Keane, who in the post-war years would have been Young Conservative bank clerks, choosing pop music as just another career (the idea of a band from Battle, Sussex getting to number three in 1966 would have been completely unthinkable, Troggs and Dave Dee notwithstanding). pop music is just *there* now, so they don't think what they're doing is in any way *significant* (compare to, say, Reg Presley's "this kind of feeling could move a nation"; *he knew*) - the sound of "Somewhere Only We Know" is the sound of a cultural form completely immersed in the fabric in a way unthinkable even ten years ago, saying nothing and being nothing.

the tedium of bands like that i would call "Wienerisation", after the man who did most to encourage ideological loathing of the conservative middle classes' wariness of pop culture and thus allow pop music to slip further and further into the background and have less and less *drama* and *impact* to it. Keane are merely a sociological aftereffect; they mean nothing in themselves, and they wouldn't pretend to, but their existence and doubtless massive future success says a lot. born in the Thatcher years, they can't remember a time when conservatism - even in Sussex market towns - wasn't merely another flavour of the Coca-Cola culture / McCulture (whatever you want to say), and therefore they see it as perfectly natural for the most conservative dullards to make a career out of pop music. what Lostprophets are to the miners' strike, they are to the sackings of Lord Carrington, Francis Pym et al. can you imagine the sort of people who like "Somewhere Only We Know" thinking much for themselves? i can't. at least Chris Martin is politically dead right in most of his beliefs. Keane are *nothing*.

phoebe dinsmore's bastard nephew (robin carmody), Monday, 15 March 2004 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean even the name "Keane" suggests meaningless; i suppose you could also connect it to the Wienerisation process in that it evokes Irish footballers who play in Northern cities - three great cultural enemies of the old middle class encompassed and embraced at once by these children of the Oasis epoch who have no idea which Sussex town was fictionalised as "Tilling" and "Dunsford", and which authors were responsible.

phoebe dinsmore's bastard nephew (robin carmody), Monday, 15 March 2004 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Considering they're called Keane it's quite ironic that they're prawn sandwichers, then.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 March 2004 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)

so is roy, secretly

omg, Monday, 15 March 2004 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

They were going to be called "Keen", but they couldn't keep up the enthusiasm...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 March 2004 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I phoned Chris Martin and he agreed it was ridiculous.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 15 March 2004 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I faxed him and he was against it. Fickle cunt.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 15 March 2004 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

bit hard on Paltrow

stevem (blueski), Monday, 15 March 2004 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Could you clarify your point about Lostprophets and the miners' strike, please? I'm not sure I get what you're saying.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 15 March 2004 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course, if the charts had really gone "Old Fart", then my gramophone of Val Doonican gabber remixes would be top of tha hit parade!!!!

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Monday, 15 March 2004 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Gosh, you're reading an awful lot into these Keane fellows.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Monday, 15 March 2004 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Public Enemy are above Michael Bolton! Alas, he beats Technotronic though.

Nick H (Nick H), Monday, 15 March 2004 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

while i was reading this my sister im'ed me and mentioned she was listening to jamie cullums frontin. quote "pretty cool!". agghh.

chouxfleur, Monday, 15 March 2004 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

How jazz and easy listening took over the UK album chart

Slowly, softly and apparently unstoppably, easy listening and jazz have come to dominate the UK album chart.
In this week's Top 10, Katie Melua, Jamie Cullum and Norah Jones have charmed CD buyers while middle-of-the-road giants Daniel O'Donnell, Engelbert Humperdinck and Harry Connick Jr have lumbered back into view.

Of the few pop acts that remain in the Top 10, the mellow Zero 7 and newly-soulful Will Young sound distinctly adult. So how did every day come to sound like a dinner party?

"People like melody and quality in music, and there are a lot of good songs around right now," says Colin Martin, executive music producer for BBC Radio 2.

"During the 90s, the chart was dominated by high-energy tracks with little to appeal to a broad range of album buyers.

It's been like a bolt from the blue

Stephen Graham
Jazzwise magazine
"Now there is hardly anybody who will not enjoy the current albums by Katie Melua, Jamie Cullum or Lionel Richie."

Jazzwise magazine co-editor Stephen Graham traces the current jazz and middle-of-the-road (MOR) revival to pianist Diana Krall, whose album When I Look in Your Eyes was a global hit in 1999.

"Diana Krall tapped into the lucrative adult market and paved the way for Norah Jones," he says. "People liked the fact that Norah Jones was a young singer-songwriter and she had phenomenal success."

Norah Jones sold 19 million copies of her debut album Come Away With Me, including two million in the UK.

This is all about lengthy careers, rather than just making music for today

Colin Martin
BBC Radio 2
"That success has continued with her new album, by which time she had in turn paved the way for Jamie Cullum's £1m record deal," Mr Graham says.

Industry magazine Music Week attributes the rise in easy listening to "Des and Mel, [Michael] Parkinson and beer adverts".

Exposure on TV and radio has dramatically boosted sales, but Radio 2's Colin Martin believes the new accessibility of albums is another vital factor.

"In the past, some people may not have wanted to go to record shops to search out these artists, but now they can just pop them in their basket at a supermarket," he says.


Jamie Cullum has won a place in both the album and singles charts
Whatever the reason, people aged between 40 and 49 have been inspired to buy more albums - accounting for 19.1% of total album sales in 2002 compared with 16.5% in 2000, according to British Phonographic Industry figures.

The popularity of MOR and jazz has led to a sharp contrast between music formats, with the albums chart topped by artists who find it difficult to conquer the youth-dominated singles chart and vice versa.

The fact that Katie Melua and Jamie Cullum have already enjoyed top 20 hits may bridge that divide, however.

"Even a widely-respected jazz artist such as Courtney Pine never made it into the singles chart," says Stephen Graham. "It's been like a bolt from the blue."

Everything in music is cyclical - I can already detect a backlash

Stephen Graham
Jazzwise magazine
Will the appeal of mellow jazz and MOR artists continue to broaden? Colin Martin believes so.

"We continue to champion artists such as Amy Winehouse, Damien Rice and Sarah McLachlan because we believe strongly in artistic development," he says.

"They have the potential to keep getting better and better. This is all about lengthy careers, rather than just making music for today."

Stephen Graham is not so sure. "It's the flavour of the month right now, but everything in music is cyclical," he says. "I can already detect a backlash."

Redman, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

This deserves a bit on its own:

"People like melody and quality in music, and there are a lot of good songs around right now," says Colin Martin, executive music producer for BBC Radio 2.
"During the 90s, the chart was dominated by high-energy tracks with little to appeal to a broad range of album buyers.

"Now there is hardly anybody who will not enjoy the current albums by Katie Melua, Jamie Cullum or Lionel Richie."

Yeah right...

Redman, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

"In the past, some people may not have wanted to go to record shops to search out these artists, but now they can just pop them in their basket at a supermarket," .
Why shlep to a music store when you can buy all the music you need inbetween the cheese aisle and the meat counter?
I think that's what hell is like.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

BUYING RECORDS IN SUPERMARKETS IS GREAT - it's cheap and convenient and nobody uses it as an excuse to judge yr taste. Only buying records in supermarkets - well, that's not for me, the range is too limited.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Tico otm. I bought the new two disc Teddy Pendergrass for £9.77.
Bargain!

pete s, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I got "Decade" Neil young there for a fiver, two months ago.

Still haven't played it.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Could the state of the album charts have anything to do with the vast number of adverts on TV saying "The ideal gift for Mother's day" for the majority of these albums?

Rob M (Rob M), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3519024.stm

Redman, Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

so did 'Fear Of A Black Planet' not even go silver in the UK or what?

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Now Mothers Day is over lets see what happens to the chart this week.

Redman, Sunday, 28 March 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Top 40 Albums (28/03/2004)


TW LW Title Artist Label
1 ( ) Confessions Usher Arista
2 (1) Patience George Michael Aegean
3 (2) Greatest Hits Guns N' Roses Geffen
4 ( ) Fly Or Die Nerd Virgin
5 (3) Call Off The Search Katie Melua Dramatico
6 (5) Feels Like Home Norah Jones Blue Note
7 (4) His Greatest Love Songs Engelbert Humperdinck Umtv
8 (7) Friday's Child Will Young S
9 (6) The Jukebox Years Daniel O'donnell Dmg Tv
10 ( ) Me And Mr Johnson Eric Clapton Reprise
11 (13) Elephunk Black Eyed Peas A&M
12 (10) Twentysomething Jamie Cullum Ucj
13 (8) Ultimate Manilow Barry Manilow Arista
14 (9) Just For You Lionel Richie Mercury
15 (15) The Singles 1992-2003 No Doubt Interscope
16 (11) The Best Of Leann Rimes Curb/London
17 (42) Folklore Nelly Furtado Dreamworks
18 (19) Speakerboxxx/The Love Below Outkast Arista
19 (14) Thank You Jamelia Parlophone
20 (12) Only You Harry Connick Jr Columbia
21 (22) Final Straw Snow Patrol Fiction/Polydor
22 (43) Scissor Sisters Scissor Sisters Polydor
23 (25) Permission To Land Darkness Must Destroy
24 (18) When It Falls Zero 7 Ultimate Dilemma
25 (21) Come Away With Me Norah Jones Parlophone
26 (16) Life For Rent Dido Cheeky
27 ( ) The Blue Jukebox Chris Rea Jazzee Blue
28 (32) Get Born Jet Elektra
29 ( ) Winning Days Vines Heavenly
30 (20) The Berry Vest Of Gilbert O'sullivan Emi

Redman, Monday, 29 March 2004 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)

That no 29 place is ever so satisfying. Surely now NME can't forcefeed us about how great The Vines are anymore.

Redman, Monday, 29 March 2004 06:12 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3725993.stm
Classical music's contemporary crossover

by Emma Saunders
BBC News Online entertainment staff



Westenra is currently touring the United States

Contemporary artists and compilations albums have boosted classical music sales, changing the face of the classical charts. BBC News Online looks at how the classical genre has evolved.

Scan the chart-topping classical albums of recent years and you are unlikely to spot many orchestral recordings of core classical works.

Instead, the chart is flooded with contemporary stars like Charlotte Church, Hayley Westenra and Bryn Terfel.

Sandwiched between them you will usually find several compilation albums inviting you to 'relax' or 'chill out' to a series of popular classical melodies.

Crossover music

"There has been a definite trend towards classical crossover music in the last few years," says Matt Phillips, a spokesman for the British Phonographic Industry.

But is it the quality of the music or the powerful thrust of modern marketing that accounts for the genre's burgeoning success since the 1990s?

Alex Cowan, product manager for Sony Classical, whose artists include Charlotte Church and Vanessa Mae, believes the fortunes of such artists is "generally well deserved".

But he admits that good PR has played an important role.

Like many recent media success stories, he claims it is the accessibility of the artist that sells.


Charlotte Church is experimenting with new musical styles

Lifestyle

"It's buying into a lifestyle, it's a desirable product," says Mr Cowan. "What we're always trying to do is reach these people that wouldn't buy a classical album otherwise."

Peter Jamieson, chairman of the British Phonographic Industry, agrees. "In 2003 the classical record industry bounced back with a whole range of exciting artists and innovative compilations which brought classical music to new audiences."

Indeed, between 2002 and 2003, turnover increased by £5m to £65m.

Nor has the sales success been limited to major labels promoting crossover artists. Independent label Chandos Records, whose latest releases include Yoshimatsu's cello concerto, has also enjoyed a growth in sales.

"A lot of people in the recording industry are crossover stars now and we're not in a financial position to do the kind of PR that goes with it, " said a spokeswoman for Chandos.

"It's like a chicken and egg situation - if you get the artist you have to spend the money and if you don't spend the money, you don't get the artist."

Core market

Nonetheless, Chandos feels it is not losing out to the major record companies because the crossover and core markets are separate.

"Crossover doesn't affect our sales. We're not in the same market - people know what we do and they buy it, if that's what they want," she says.


Opera star Terfel is nominated for two classical Brits

Roger Lewis, managing director and programme controller of radio station Classic FM, believes classical music is increasingly enjoyed by a broad spectrum of music-lovers.

"Classic FM has a very mixed audience from connoisseurs to people who have only recently discovered classical music - we are passionate about engaging our audience and inviting them to join us on a voyage of discovery," he says.

And while he is pleased the crossover trend is bringing classical music to a new audience, he is keen to point out that the traditional genre is vital.

New audience

"Compilation albums are an entry point for a new audience into classical music and have been instrumental in helping people engage in the genre," adds Mr Lewis.

"But record sales are only one of a number of barometers you can use to measure activity within classical music.

"I think the trend is returning to core artists - reflected by some of those nominated for the Classical Brits - BrynTerfel, Sir Simon Rattle, Cecilia Bartoli and Phillip Glass."

Perhaps his inclusion of Terfel - a Welsh bass-baritone, whose latest album went platinum - demonstrates that one person's classical performer is another's modern crossover artist.

Whatever your opinion, the future of classical music looks bright.


Redman, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Why aren't the popists on this board rushing to defend the album charts? These Albums are in the charts because, as was said above, People like them.

You wouldn't get away unchallenged with sneering at the buyers of the top ten singles, claiming that they are manipulated into buying what they don't like or saying of, say, Usher fans "These are the people, 63 per cent of people under the age of twenty are against the legalisation of cannabis. They are also in favour of the war and in favour of stricter controls against asylum seekers. We have to get over it."

It's some stupid bullshit belief that "the kids" buying the singles aren't the same as the oldies buying the albums. Well they are, the only difference is about 10 years.

MikeB, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"This deserves a bit on its own:
"People like melody and quality in music, and there are a lot of good songs around right now," says Colin Martin, executive music producer for BBC Radio 2.
"During the 90s, the chart was dominated by high-energy tracks with little to appeal to a broad range of album buyers.

"Now there is hardly anybody who will not enjoy the current albums by Katie Melua, Jamie Cullum or Lionel Richie."

Yeah right... "

hahaha!

thesplooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Charlotte Church is experimenting with new musical styles

this will be where the grime crossover really takes hold, mark my words

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

oh god, i dont want grime to go the way of jungle and end up being used in late night dire TV programmes for their theme music.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

But you know thats gonna happen.

Redman, Thursday, 27 May 2004 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

It's all about 50 quid bloke...

Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 27 May 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

With An ITV Special On Sunday,Heres What Could Be In Album Charts The Following Week

Dominic K, Thursday, 27 May 2004 06:30 (twenty-one years ago)

(You'll have to tell me, I can't click it)

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i really fancy that lass who sings the national anthems at the Millennium Stadium, has she got an album out?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)


I'll do it for you Mark.
Classical Brits glory for Terfel


Bryn Terfel picked up two awards, while Renee Fleming received one
Welsh bass baritone Bryn Terfel won the prizes for best album and male artist at this year's Classical Brit awards.
Italian opera star Cecilia Bartoli was named best female artist at the event, held at London's Royal Albert Hall.

British conductor Sir Simon Rattle won orchestral album of the year for his recording of Beethoven's Symphonies with the Vienna Philharmonic.

The awards, in their fifth year, are billed as the orchestral and operatic answer to the pop and rock Brits.

Terfel won the best album award - the night's biggest prize - for Bryn, which has sold more than 300,000copies in the UK since it was released last year.

CLASSICAL BRITS BIG WINNERS

Best album - Bryn Terfel, Bryn
Male artist - Bryn Terfel
Female artist - Cecilia Bartoli (above)
Contemporary music award - Philip Glass, The Hours
Ensemble/orchestral album - Sir Simon Rattle/Vienna Philharmonic, Beethoven Symphonies
Outstanding contribution - Renee Fleming
Mezzo soprano Bartoli beat New Zealand-born teenager Hayley Westenra to win her award, while Terfel triumphed over violinist Nigel Kennedy in the male category.

Another violinist, 29-year-old Daniel Hope, was named best young British classical performer.

The contemporary music award went to US composer Philip Glass for his soundtrack to the film The Hours.

Russia's Maxim Vengerov won the critics' award for his recording of Benjamin Britten's Violin Concerto and William Walton's Viola Concerto, conducted by his friend and mentor Mstislav Rostropovich.

Guests at the ceremony - hosted by ITV news presenter Katie Derham for the fourth year running - included former boy soprano Aled Jones, actor Nigel Havers and musical star Elaine Paige.

The event, which will be broadcast on ITV1 on Sunday, featured performances from Westenra, Kennedy, fellow violinist Vanessa-Mae and Welsh soprano Katherine Jenkins.

'Opera band'

American soprano Renne Fleming, the recipient of this year's outstanding contribution to music award, joined Terfel for a duet of Bess, You is My Woman Now from the musical Porgy and Bess.

There were also performances from Amici Forever, the world's first "opera band", and the King's College Choir Cambridge.

Five awards were decided by the Classical Brit awards' voting academy, a body made up of media professionals, members of the Musicians' Union, promoters, industry executives and orchestra leaders.

The album of the year award was decided by Classic FM listeners.


Redman, Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"classical crossover" is just another element of Wienerisation. strip the anti-populist, anti-commercial impulse away from a form for a new generation of middle classes who have been indoctrinated to believe that liking anything that is anti-populist and anti-commercial in itself damages Britain's commercial competitiveness. repackage for Norah Jones fans what their parents and grandparents listened to (and what they themselves would probably listen to if Heseltine or Hurd had been Prime Minister in the 80s) as merely a cultural clone of Norah Jones, stripping away the distancing imagery of the old bourgeoisie. Ker-ching!

the moral of the story: the Michael Gove generation are merely the Auberon Waugh generation repackaged, just a hell of a lot *nastier*, on most things.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 27 May 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Welcome back Robin!

Redman, Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

'A chicken and egg situation'
'A bolt from the blue'
'The future looks bright'

The way the people running the music industry talk tells you a lot about the mediocrity of their mental processes. What's more, they're attempting to run towards this mediocrity, not away from it. Because mediocrity is the median, the median is the average, the average is the golden mean, and gold means gold. Shake the mediocrity tree and the gold comes showering down!

Meanwhile, in a parallel world, here's a pop song. Norah Jones, who sings Nick Drake covers, will perhaps warble it with reverent sesh-mush gloss when I am no more.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

She covered Nick Drake?

Redman, Friday, 28 May 2004 06:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio2_aod.shtml?docu3#

Momus (Momus), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Robin OTM.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:07 (twenty-one years ago)

does anyone else remember that horrendous late '80s/early '90s (?) political chat-cum-stand up comedy programme that michael gove used to do with david baddiel and tracey mcleod on channel 4? (i can't remember what it was called but it was around the same time as Club X).

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 28 May 2004 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

It was called "Stab in the Dark" and involved Lee and Herring as well. It was cack.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 28 May 2004 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

The fact that Radio1 now has men who infinitely prefer the sounds of their own voice to any music ever, and clearly resent stopping talking to play a record, in both Breakfast and Drivetime doesn't help.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Friday, 28 May 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

you mean there was a time when radio 1 didn't?

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 28 May 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, yeah - I'd bet cash money that Moyles plays less records per hour than any Breakfast DJ since Evans.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Friday, 28 May 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

ah, the days of chris evans playing three records per hour interspersed with him telling his "team" off and having nervous breakdowns.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 28 May 2004 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

You miss'em? Listen to Moyles. He's FHM to Evans' Loaded.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Friday, 28 May 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I miss 'em like I miss having cancer.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 28 May 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Top 40 Albums : 02.10.2005

ARTIST TITLE (LABEL)

1 NEW
New Entry
Katie Melua
Piece By Piece


2
David Gray
Life In Slow Motion


3
James Blunt
Back To Bedlam


4
New Entry
Jamie Cullum
Catching Tales


5
KT Tunstall
Eye To The Telescope


6
Bon Jovi
Have A Nice Day


7
Barbra Streisand
Guilty Too


8
Kanye West
Late Registration


9
Kelly Clarkson
Breakaway

(
10 NEW
New Entry (-)
Hayley Westenra
Odyssey

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Is Parky back on the TV at the moment or something?

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Sunday, 9 October 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

cheaper cds? Selling them at the supermarket?

jellybean (jellybean), Sunday, 9 October 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

Argh, last night, Parky featuring James Blunt. Argh x 10000000. Make it stop.

(I get the feeling that musicians featuring on Friday Night with Jonathan Ross (the Parky it's OK to like) doesn't have the same effect, since Parky has them on in the middle so you still hear them when you go to make your cup of tea, but with Wossy the bands are on at the end so you can just turn off safe in the knowledge you aren't going to miss any of the scintillating chat)

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 9 October 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

New chart
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/albums.shtml

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Sunday, 9 October 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

WHY DONT YOU GUYS SHUT UP PARKY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A FORERUNNER IN BREAKING NEW STYLES.

YOU ARE ALL JEALOUS AND RACIST.

Googley Asearch (Toaster), Sunday, 9 October 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)

I think this says a lot about the state of popular music in the UK right now.. I was just flicking across the video channels on the TV

Robbi Williams, Craig David, James Blunt..

jellybean (jellybean), Sunday, 9 October 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

I recognize the phenomenon from the Norwegian chart.

I think it has to do with the following factors

- Downloading. Young people buy less music now than they used to do, plus if they buy, they will more often buy single tracks rather than albums
- Increasing use of TV ads attracting new audiences that had more or less stopped buying albums by the 70s.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 October 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

I'm rather happy the Robbie WIlliams single didn't go to no1. But I fear he will dominate the album chart as usual.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Sunday, 9 October 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

MELODY IS FOR WHITE PEOPLE

Googley Asearch (Toaster), Sunday, 9 October 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

But anyway, what's what this politics stuff? This has nothing to do with politics. Most people don't choose their musical taste from their political beliefs, they choose their musical taste from, well, basically, what they enjoy listening to.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 October 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

They choose it from watching Parky!

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Monday, 10 October 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

I agree with Geir. People don't choose their music by politics they choose it because of what ethnicity they enjoy listening to. And it is clear that white people win (again).

Googley Asearch (Toaster), Monday, 10 October 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

albums are shit, usually. even my favourite albums have max six good tracks.

N_RQ, Monday, 10 October 2005 09:43 (twenty years ago)

Surely the aging population has something, if not everything, to do with it?

Face it kids, the baby boomers have won. (And just because there's so bloody many of them.)

Before everyone here over the age of 45 jumps on me, I must point out I'm thinking of people like my mum (aged 56)and my dad (61) and my stepmother (51)who do buy Parky-albums in Sainsburys. They do make up a bigger bulk of the demographics than those who still read the Wire.

Anna (Anna), Monday, 10 October 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)

My parents buy from amazon and asda.
It's all the fault of Clyde 2(Local oldies station) and some tv shows obviously.

My parents are probably the typical buyer.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

People don't choose their music by politics they choose it because of what ethnicity they enjoy listening to.

Wrong again. This has nothing to do with the ethnicity of the performers.

Those who like melodic music (that is, music that puts the empasis on melody and harmony over rhythm and production) tend to buy records by white performers, simply because, for some weird and unexplainable reason, white people are more likely to make melodic music.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 10 October 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

WTF

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Monday, 10 October 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

Btw. The Popist refusal to take albums seriously also contributes to this. I mean, if popists prefer downloading (legally or illegally) single tracks rather than buying albums, then how can they possibly expect their tastes to reflect in the album sales?

Downloading has led to a larger percentage of the album buying population being 1)older than 30 years old and 2)females. Naturally, this is reflected in what genres dominate the album charts. For instance, Katie Melua, Norah Jones and Jamie Cullum are all the sort of acts that are more likely to appeal to 40 year old females than to 16, or even 12, year old males.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 10 October 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Over 30's download too y'know.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

Certainly.. But most 30 somethings don't download to the same extent that 14-year-olds do.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

but the problem with stating that downloading is what is causing the album chart to be dominated by the middle of the road is that the american chart totally goes against what is happening on the u.k chart. The american chart is dominated by a combination of Hip-hop, R & B Hard rock and Country. with hip-hop and hard rock being predominatley purchased by the demographic most likely to download (12-34 year olds). so if downloading was the cause surely the american charts would be dominated by country (which only has the cultural impact that it has in america, and would probably be replaced by something region specific like europop in the U.K. and europe) and the middle of the road acts that are currently popular in the U.K.. So if downloading is not having the same impact on the american charts why would it have more of an effect in the U.K. and europe? since the downloading rates are either the same or even higher in the U.S. it coyld be likely that it is a cultural shift.

AMD (AMD), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

I think it probably is to do with the fact supermarkets sell these cds for £9.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

cover songs sell ? sad...

retroboy, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 03:55 (twenty years ago)

It's all pop idol/will youngs fault!

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)

You haven't heard the new Will Young single, then?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)

What's it like?

Geir is right - fuck the album chart, I don't give a monkeys, let it rot.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)

I haven't heard it Marcello, but no doubt my mum will buy it.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)

Put it this way - the first time I heard it, I thought it was Julian Cope.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

He has, essentially, gone mad (see also the astonishing Leo Sayer comeback single).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

!!!

Teardrops era? Fried? Jehovahkill???!!?

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

but the problem with stating that downloading is what is causing the album chart to be dominated by the middle of the road is that the american chart totally goes against what is happening on the u.k chart. The american chart is dominated by a combination of Hip-hop, R & B Hard rock and Country. with hip-hop and hard rock being predominatley purchased by the demographic most likely to download (12-34 year olds).

isn't the american chart based on radio play, though?

N_RQ, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:23 (twenty years ago)

I've always hated the thought of radio play deciding whats in the charts.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

I didn't think it sounded at all like Julian Cope. More George Michael-lite-ish, it seemed to me.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)

(Tom xpost)

"Trampoline" at 78 rpm?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4327538.stm
Strong offerings from British acts have helped UK album sales to rise amid fears of decline.

The British Phonographic Industry (BPI) trade body said sales were up 1.4 per cent between July and September 2005.

It said the rise came despite "grim reports" about low consumer confidence and the London bombings hitting sales.

The BPI attributes the rise to the success of acts like singer James Blunt, who sold a million albums in the period, Coldplay and Kaiser Chiefs.

Seven UK acts were in the top 10 artist albums chart.

Blunt's debut Back To Bedlam was the top-selling album in the period.

His single You're Beautiful topped the quarter's singles chart and has also become the best-selling download of all time.

X&Y by Coldplay was the second highest selling, followed by Kaiser Chiefs' Employment, Forever Faithless - The Greatest Hits by dance act Faithless and Demon Days, the second album by Damon Albarn's cartoon band Gorillaz.

BPI chairman Peter Jamieson said: "Our members invest millions of pounds each year in new UK artists, and time and again music fans choose to buy British.

"It's been a tough summer on the high street, but these figures demonstrate the enduring appeal of great British music."

It was not all good news as compilation album sales fell by nearly 20 per cent on last year

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)

with Wossy the bands are on at the end so you can just turn off safe in the knowledge you aren't going to miss any of the scintillating chat

Ross fulfilling the BBC public service commitment by not forcing us to listen to Ms Dynamite or next big things Louis XIV.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

BPI chairman Peter Jamieson said: "Our members invest millions of pounds each year in new UK artists, and time and again music fans choose to buy British."

How does anyone say anything like this with a straight face?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

but the problem with stating that downloading is what is causing the album chart to be dominated by the middle of the road is that the american chart totally goes against what is happening on the u.k chart. The american chart is dominated by a combination of Hip-hop, R & B Hard rock and Country. with hip-hop and hard rock being predominatley purchased by the demographic most likely to download (12-34 year olds).
isn't the american chart based on radio play, though?

I was talking about the U.S. album chart

AMD (AMD), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

How does anyone say anything like this with a straight face?

They are forced to watch 24 hours of Jim Davidson & Jimmy Carr as training.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

I think geir has a good point about white people making melodic music.

Googley Asearch (Toaster), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

What, like Norah Jones, Sade, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, Seal, those sorts of white people?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 05:48 (twenty years ago)

Maybe that's why white people who like melodic music do indeed buy a lot of records by Norah Jones, Sade, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson and Seal?

(Sade is not particularly melodic btw, her music is repetitive in a very "jazzy" way)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

It's those yelling coloured jungle drums again innit.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)

Is Sade's brand of jazz more repetitive than other well-known exponents of repetitive jazz, such as Billy Joel, Jackson Browne and Starsailor?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)

but the problem with stating that downloading is what is causing the album chart to be dominated by the middle of the road is that the american chart totally goes against what is happening on the u.k chart. The american chart is dominated by a combination of Hip-hop, R & B Hard rock and Country. with hip-hop and hard rock being predominatley purchased by the demographic most likely to download (12-34 year olds).

The American demographic is of course more likely than the European one to buy archetypical American music, even into their 30s and 40s. Hip-hop, R&B, hard rock and country are all archetypical American music genres, and it is more natural for Americans to like them than it is for Europeans.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, but the acts you mentioned have none of the same repetitive melodic style that Sade does. White acts that DO write repetitive, and not particularly melodic, songs (even though they aren't really jazz influenced) are The Smiths and Pearl Jam.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

Geir is right - fuck the album chart, I don't give a monkeys, let it rot.

I'd rather fuck the single charts. Not a lot of value there at the time (although somewhat more of value in the UK singles chart than in the US one it must be added)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

You neglect the rhythm-dominate avant-garde variety of repetitive jazz whose principal exponents are Frankie Go To Hollywood, the Bronski Beats and France Ferdinand.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)

Whats the norwegian top 10 like then for albums and singles this week?

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

How is Geir still alive.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 October 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)

He draws his anima from the timeless appeal of a melody on the wind.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 13 October 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)

Whats the norwegian top 10 like then for albums and singles this week?
http://lista.vg.no/
http://lista.vg.no/show_list.php?ListsOp=showWeek&week=41&year=2005&listID=2

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 13 October 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

six months pass...

Music-loving mums rock CD sales
By David Sillito
BBC News arts correspondent

Many middle-aged parents are now buying more CDs than their teenage children, according to figures from the British Phonographic Industry (BPI).


Neil Sedaka is benefitting from a more mature audience
In 1963, Neil Sedaka was a teen pop sensation who thought his career was over.

Forty-three years later, he's playing at the Royal Albert Hall and has just had another UK top 20 album.

And he is not alone. Over the last few weeks, Andrea Bocelli, Russell Watson, Il Divo, The Carpenters, Barry Manilow, David Essex and Johnny Mathis have all had hit albums.

The top 100 is strewn with records that can only be described as easy listening.

And it is all a reflection of a significant change in the music industry - the power of "mum rock".

Forty-somethings now buy more than twice as many pop CDs as teenagers and the gap is growing every year.

So what is happening?

Downloading is one factor explaining why teenagers are buying fewer CDs, especially when it comes to compilation albums.


Barry Manilow first appeared in the charts more than 30 years ago
But there is another trend - older people are buying more music and going to more concerts.

The average teenage record buyer now spends 25% less on CDs than they did five years ago, whereas the average 60-something CD purchaser is spending 30% more.

For the last five years, sales to under-30s have been going down - from 43% to 34%.

Older consumers (over 40s), especially women, have been increasing their share of the market - from 33.5% to 45%.

And the biggest growth is among older women. Women over 50 now buy almost twice as many albums as teenage girls and the charts are now reflecting their tastes.

Lifelong fans

So what accounts for the change? One reason is that today's 50- and 60-somethings have grown up with a culture of music buying. Buying records is often a habit that begins in youth and carries on through life.

But there is also a big change in the way CDs are sold.

Supermarkets now make up a large part of the retail market. Sales have gone from around 12 million in 2000 to around 40 million a year today.

Prices have also fallen, making a CD an impulse purchase that can be popped in with the groceries rather than an expensive treat that could only be acquired by visiting often dark and noisy music stores.

But on a more general point, it means the generation gap that used to be reflected by music is fast disappearing and it is the 40- and 50-somethings who are now pop's biggest fans.


Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

The reason is because of all these pop idol type shows, older people are now hearing new music on the TV when before there was none. Also its impossible to avoid the reality tv "stars" in the newspapers and celeb magazines.
Combine it with the fact that you see all these albums at the supermarket when out shopping and bingo the sales rise.

I suppose it was only a matter of time until mum rock came along to replace dad rock.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

I'll bet Neil Sedaka did not think his career was over in 1963!

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

TS: Mum Rock Vs Dad Rock?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)


Over-50s 'driving music growth'
Rod Stewart
Rod Stewart, 61 next month, is a leading artist for over-50s
The over-50s are having an increasing impact on the UK music industry, a survey by the record labels' trade body and Age Concern suggests.

The British Phonographic Industry (BPI) report found 59% of over-50s had bought an album in the previous three months and 29% bought at least six CDs a year.

Favourite artists include Il Divo, Rod Stewart, Tony Christie, Katherine Jenkins, G4 and Ronan Keating.

The BPI said older music fans were driving a growth in sales.

"Nearly a quarter of all albums are bought by older music fans, and that percentage is set to grow as the UK population ages," spokesman Matt Phillips added.

Only 4% of over-50s own a digital music player but 23% intend to buy one in the future, the study found.

Classical popularity

The study also found 59% of over-50s said music was an "important part of their lives", with classical music the most popular genre.

Easy listening and country music were also popular, with 64% of respondents saying they liked rock music.

Some 45% of those surveyed said they listened to BBC Radio 2, with local stations attracting 53% of respondents.

One in five said they listened to Radio 1 each day, more than the 15% who listen to Radio 3 daily, but less than the 34% who tuned into Classic FM.

The survey was carried out by an Age Concern research panel, which surveys a sample of up to 10,000 over-50s on lifestyle issues.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

It's a return to the demographics that popular music had before the rock era, maybe?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

My mum and dad tend to like the same stuff(pretty much whats listed in those surveys) but i'd say my dad tends more to be the one who actually buys it and listens to it(ipod and car stereo). My mum only uses her ipod on holiday.
My mum prefers listening to Clyde 2(local oldies station), which plays all that crap anyway.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

If you look at the lists of #1 UK albums it's really only from 1964 that youth-targeted music dominates (and even then the Sound of Music OST is a massive seller in 66-67). I'd guess that listening to and socially enjoying popular music has been primarily an all-ages activity for almost all British history, barring maybe 40 years in the late 20th century. Which we happened to grow up in, so we think this trend is odd.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

When did the whole "teenager" thing start? Was it a 50s or 60s thing?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

The term was in use before WW2 but it became popular after that. The idea of marketing music expressly to appeal to teenagers is - I think - a post-Elvis thing (Sinatra etc. had massive bobbysoxer scream appeal but the crooners were always sold as all-ages acts. Cliff Richard wasn't.)

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

I always thought it was very much a post-war thing.
Were the Bay City Rollers the 1st marketed UK Boyband?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

when i met tracey hand at the brit museum once, there was exhibition on abt 18th century culture which included an engraving of a scene from a restoration play called "TEENS: or [the something something something]"

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

*Imagines 18 century classical boy bands*

Maybe theres a museum somewhere accusing 18th century music critics of rockism.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

I saw this video http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm on the news.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 21 April 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

Think the Beatles were there before BCR Brig.

dr lulu (dr lulu), Friday, 21 April 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah but they weren't formed to be marketed at kids. It just happened didn't it, that was the whole phenomenon that hadn't been seen before.
The monkees were formed in the US, but who was the 1st "manufactured" boy band in the uk?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 21 April 2006 01:20 (nineteen years ago)


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