what is the rarest opinion you actually possess?

Rare in that I don't even think Ned shares that one.

You are correct.

That Roger should be committed to Bellevue for ever connecting the smashing pumpkins with MBV in any way. okay, that's my 3rd opinion but i'm
sticking with this one.

Corgan's always admitted he's ripping off the MBV guitar sound! You couldn't NOT connect the two! (Not that Shields cares much, I'd guess.)

I dunno anyone who didn't like that album

BUT...if talent indeed borrows and genius indeed steals, Corgan is genius to have stolen his ideas from the tremendous talents of Shields and improved upon them.

I mean, come on - song wise, you'd rather listen to friggin' "Only Shallow" than "Mayonnaise"??? I'm sorry I can't accept that.

Picture both songs as piano rolls for a player paino - which one is better now? Which one would you rather hear Sufjan Stevens cover?

Exactly.

Hey, I clicked on this thread *expressly* to post that!

Uh, neither?

Jaymc, Ned - OK, OK, all I was trying to do was think of a reputable singer-songwriter that everyone seems to like who'd play it straight, thereby allowing the 'tune' to emerge - feel free to substitute Sufjan with Jackson Brown if you prefer

*this does not reflect my feelings towards family members. I am fairly normal sexually, whatever that means. I just think it should be allowed if that's what people want to do.

At least as much as everytone makes them out to be.

(I've tried to find several excuses to start buying their albums from first to, oh, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath at least -- but could never get moved enough by the records.. I'm not denying their blistering influence on almost all hard rock, certainly, but I think they're one of those bands who I'll end up appreciating more for their importance than their actual recorded output)

This is a cultural reference I don't get...what does it mean?

Uhhh...have you actually heard a Pete Rock album?

2. Republic is at least an 8.5, perhaps closer to a 9.0. New Order's third or fourth best.

3. "Molly (16 Candles)" and "Hey Jealousy" are two of the best singles of the 90s.

4. "Sister Ray" by the Velvet Underground is the best dance song of all-time.

Yeah, those will all do pretty well.

I've actually just sold back all my old Sabbath discs in anticipation. (Good thing too, I think those were all masters from 1987 or something.)

ugh not this again.

1. Fear of a Black Planet=0.0
Nation of Million=10.3
Yo! Bum Rush the Show=8.0

Is that rare?

Totally completely overrated. Download the Youngstas's "Pass The Mic" remix for evidence.

Well, it's a good thing I stuck it out as a lame-ass Sabbath-less goon all this time!

Cause the MOB RULES!

http://www.i80s.com/images/dio_concert_002_s.jpg

"Remasters" = biggest record industry swindle

There, that one's rare, I feel sure of it.

re: Sabbath - their best album is still Born Again.

I like ALL Sabbath up until Headless Cross (which is also good) - but Born Again is my favorite (and the DIO era smokes a lot of the Ozzy stuff too)

Broheems: I'm getting this because I'm sure they'll sound much better than the used records, and think it's worth it.. plain and simple. A little over $12 per album, plus a bonus DVD? Sure, it's a money hit, but it's actually a much better deal than most RAWK box sets.

I could go on. Hell, I'd even say the recent box sets by XTC, The Cure, and Joy Division are far more expensive per disc than the Black Sabbath one.

You're the one who continues to be shocked and appalled by it, tough guy.

Hey did you know that the "devil hand" sign made famous by Dio is actually an old Italian thing called "the meloik"?? Like, "I'm gonna put the meloik on you"? I was watching the old episode of the Sopranos last night where Big Pussy says "I feel like someone put the meloik on me." So I googled it, and and interview with RJD himself came up as the 6th result!!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=meloik&btnG=Google+Search

So actually, when he does that in concert, he's putting an evil spell on the crowd (or possibly trying to ward off *their* evil spell on *him*).

"Hey, Vincenzo, calla Dio inna to getta hisa dinner befor-a it getsa cold-a"

http://www.metal-rules.com/interviews/images/Dio_EvilEye.jpg

It's been my keychain for about five, six years now.

I don't like The Clash either.

I'd wager they're rare opinions, even (especially?) on here...

That's rock/pop music I mean. Live jazz is fine.

Oh.

You're all closet 'nu-metallers'.

Also possibly with Gear on the Paul Andersii.

That Horse were not unmitigated shite.

This is a cultural reference I don't get...what does it mean?

Meaning that when I got into Kate Bush, I was blown away by her production skills, and found it to be affecting in a way that reminded of me Pete Rock; subtle, joyful but sad (those old soul music samples); so I started saying Pete Rock is the Kate Bush of hip-hop a lot.

But I only know "Mecca & The Soul Brother"

But yeah, you could say both are looked upon as master craftsmen of their chosen styles, and perhaps not critically enough.

I can give a crap about Eddie Van Halen's solos, it's his great songwriting that made old VH so awesome.

Joey Ramone is a completely underated rock n roll vocalist.

Well, the Sabbath box set is perfect for me because I've never owned any Sabbath before, and it was actually listening to the used records and CDs that turned me off them the first time around. I'll wait a little and see if the remastering is a botch job or not.. but I'm guessing it won't be. Obviously for people who already have the Sabbath CDs or records, I can understand the box set not being such an enticing thing.

Actually the rarest opinion I possess/ed is probably that I rated Head Phone Over Tone as the album of the year for last year. I don't know if there's another person on earth who believes that. (I'm not sure if I still do.) I don't even know if there's anyone outside Ontario who's heard them.

Joey Ramone is a completely underated rock n roll vocalist.

-- Ben St. Jacques

I'm sorry Ben, none of those opinions are controversial in my household.

Oh, and Tricky's post Maxinquaye career is not waste: Nearly God, PMT, and Angels With Dirty Faces are all just as good as Maxinquaye, and if he had released them 2-4 years apart we would regard him a damn lot better.

"i would pay huge money to hear "only shallow" on a player piano "

The first thing I did with my mobile phone was to program ringtones for nearly every track on "Loveless". "When you sleep" seems to be the most successful.

Will Oldham is total crap: can't sing, can't play, can't write a good lyric.

Pre-Millennian Tension and Angels With Dirty Faces are indeed both excellent albums - and Nearly God certainly has its moments. Sorry, must try harder ;)

Everything from there on in, however, is indeed dreadful.

Princess Superstar is better than Biggie, Jay-Z, Rakim, all these canonical hip-hop men. At least, I like her better.

To Venus And Back by Tori Amos was the best album released in 1999.

I really don't like solo Julian Cope. Only three or four songs don't annoy the fuck out of me. And one of them is a 13th Floor Elevators cover. (I like the Teardrop Explodes, though.)

Shriekback cracks me up. I think their stuff is hilarious.

I like Stone Temple Pilots and Soundgarden better than Pearl Jam and Nirvana.

Jackson and snazz, you crazy

YOU DIE NOW

dunno about the world at large, but around here that's not such a rare opinion at all.

See you on the locked ward, then, Mr. "Siamese Dream > Loveless."

I could've just said that apart from a very few of their songs, I find the Fall meh at best, and often annoying; but since this is a rare instance of my taste diverging radically from the post-punk canon, I decided to raise the ante with a blanket condemnation.

I unconditionally promise you that there are thousands if not millions of people who claim to like the Fall and may even believe it, possibly even to the extent of owning a lot of their stuff, but who actually never listen to them.

"YOU DIE NOW"

*cackle of joy*

People only use the word "important" when they're insecure about the music they like, and can defend it by no other means.

this is a head scratcher. i'd like to see your math.

oh...xpost

oh...xpost

-- artdamages (chris.tha()mrin@gmail.com)
well conor oberst sure seems to get a lot of tail, so maybe that counts for something, hahahaha.

"- that Anthems To The Welkin At Dusk is a deeply flawed album
- that the production on ...And Justice For All is the best possible sound for the material
- that Modern Talking is the most hilarious and entertaining musical act of the last twenty years (no wait, I might not be alone on this one)
-- Siegbran (siegbra...), March 23rd, 2004."

You're not alone on Anthems, I actually prefer IX Equilibrium (and of course In the Nightside Eclipse, but that goes without saying)!

i agree w/you

Um, Duran Duran's Medazzaland is the greatest album ever made. Really, though, I shouldn't even have to state this as one of the opinions I have, because of all the thousands of times I've mentioned this. Also -- the New Romantic musical scene was really, really great, "Do They Know It's Christmas?" is the only good charity single ever released, the only Van Halen lineup that was actually any good was the one with Sammy Hagar in it, Joan Osborne's Righteous Love was much better than Relish was (though Relish was pretty damn good), Michael Jackson has pretty much always been shit, Prince is MUCH MUCH more talented than Jimi Hendrix ever was, and the best version of "Venus" ever recorded was Bananarama's '80s cover version.

There. All of my "I think those are pretty damn rare opinions".

OK here's mine, and I hold it sincerely.

Mayhem's 'De Mysteiis Dom Sathanas' is a good album. However, Mayhem's new album, 'Chimera', is a thousandfold better. I also believe that not only is Mayhem's 'Chimera' the best metal album released in the last ten years; it is the only album in the last ten years anyone should own.

"dunno about the world at large, but around here that's not such a rare opinion at all."

Well that's good to hear.

1. "Only Shallow" is the worst song on Loveless.
2. "21 Quesetions" is as good as if not better than "In Da Club"
3. "Glycerine" is the US "Fake Plastic Trees".
4. A.M. is actually kinda awesome, and Pablo Honey is a post-grunge classic.
5. Fatboy Slim's "Song for Shelter" is one of the top ten singles of the decade.

Agreed, I never understood why everyone loves that one so much. I mean it's not bad, but the other songs really outshine it IMO.

Speaking of the Bush song? I mean, last I checked Scotland was not in the US :-)

Belly "Star" was a really good record?

Yes it was.

Sense and Sensuality is superior to Playing With A Different Sex.

Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow is waaay superior Maggot Brain.

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Oh I agree with this, I mean, "Whatcha Gon' Do" off Miss E... is pretty unstoppable.

http://www.uglynorth.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/paul1.jpg

can do NO WRONG.

-- roger adultery (vlad62...), March 23rd, 2004.

I don't know from Loveless, but I've always thought that Siamese Dream, like, totally hung together as a cohesive whole, man, and would rock if you covered it live from beginning to end.

Secretly, I still believe this; I just don't say so much because I'm not drunk/stoned at a party on Prospect St. trying to convince Kat et al that this is GROUNDBREAKING and merits discussion, even though those bastards had never even owned a Smashing Pumpkins CD.

B...but, this is true! At least up to and including "Quartet".

Ultravox with digital synths and lots of guitars? No, thank you. :-)

I've always said this about Aqua's 'Barbie Girl'.

I love this thread's title, though.

Radiohead is awful, worse than the worst of Pink Floyd, and they are the most overrated band there be now.

Thomas Dolby made some of the best pop music ever.

90's industrial rock could have been a great movement if NIN and Marilyn Manson weren't popular and Machines of Loving Grace were.

I nominated it and placed it #1 in my ballot for the 90's poll. I do not think this opinion would be so rare if more people had listened to it, but unfortunately it is almost impossible to get.

Wow! i didn't even know i shared this, i'm sure quite rare, opinion until i read this post.

-- David Merryweather, November 21st, 2004.

Couldn't agrtee more!

Heaton rules!

Radiohead is awful, worse than the worst of Pink Floyd, and they are the most overrated band there be now. "

These are probably the two most common "rare opinions" out there.

Invasive but fair.

Not common enough!!

Well, aside from the fact that it wasn't released this decade, I'm not quite sure what makes it a punk song (or the best, for that matter). Still, I'd enjoy hearing your rationale.

And that 'I Told You So' is.

-- Mr. Snrub (mistersnru...), April 17th, 2005.

You are DEFINITELY not alone in this opinion. Zeppelin are pretty much the champs of riff, so any song you name will probably be the favorite riff of a lot of people.

The only really sexy late '60s/early 70s singer-songwriter was Joe South. He was also the best one. In America, at least.

maybe i should try the arrested development....i cant really make a claim for them as something better than nostalgia for me though.

"arrested development had more energy and vitality in their little fingers than all the undie/conscious hiphop that followed?"

maybe thats not really that controversial. also, i dont know anything about hiphop, so i probably shouldnt stray there.

i sort of think speech is a pretty good mc though, maybe i should go with that

1a) It's also way better than Brian Wilson's "teenage symphony to God"...

2) Frank Black made a terrible career mistake naming his first (incredible) band "The Pixies," instead of "The Black Francis Band" or "The Frank Black Four" or "The Charles Michael Kitteridge Thomspon IV Experience."

2a) Had he done this he would no longer be driving his own van from one ass-kicking Catholics gig to the next.

I think Yank Crime is the best rock record of the last twenty years.

I listened to "Afternoon With The Axolotls" the other day and GODDAMN that song is SO HUGE. I've never heard such a MASSIVE rock sound. And I love how its so HUGE and HEAVY and yet its really mellow at the same time. I gotta say big ups to the folks at Pogo Studio too I guess. I think the big live drum room in the pic inside Downward Is Heavenward is where that records amazing sound comes from. Have any of you musicians and gearheads seen that pic and not wanted to cry?? Anywho yeah Hum had their great moments.

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000024AIP.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

CLASSIC

Theten minutes of Wasted Youth into Everything Louder Than Everything Else is so jaw droppingly theatrically genius!

I also think Michael Jackson will be justly acquitted.

One of the most inventive, amazing bands of all time, or all the 1970s, anyway.

oh, and I can't see anything wrong with this :
Midge Ure Era Ultravox >>> pre-Midge Ure Era Ultravox

I agree. (sorry)

Paul Westerberg=Prince

Let's see, I think "How Can You Lose What You Never Had" is one of the three-four greatest Elvis Presley tracks, and certainly the greatest Elvis title!

Joe Tex was better than Otis Redding.

The Marshall Tucker Band's "Can't You See" is the greatest southern-rock song.

Other than that, I think "Sgt. Pepper's" and "Pet Sounds" represent the pinnacle of rock music--it's all been downhill from there, baby.

ELP = ELO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Sex Pistols

I pretty much agree with that.

Oh, they had a lot more "The Story Of Simon Simopath" and "All Of Us" were both excellent albums, crowded with great songs ;)

"i'm so fly" is one of the dopest beats of the last 10 years

"Hot In Herre" was Nelly's worst single

the frog chorus is one of mccartney's best songs.

Ornette Coleman's alto sax soloing is some of the most unpleasant and irritating ever committed to tape, and I actually far prefer his trumpet and violin efforts.

!!!!

Me First and the Gimme Gimmes are probably the most consistently good US guitar band of the past decade

New generations are currently passing through some of the best music era since 1973.

There's a musical parallelism in between the talking heads, cafe tacvba and radiohead. Not sound-wise but in concepts and idealism.

My Bloody Valentine are boring. As are Spiritualized.

Jewlia Eisenberg is the artist making the most interesting music today.

rosanna is better than africa

dude, that is seriously wtf

The Eagles are good.

That's only rare on ILX.

Liar is one of the best songs on Republic and one of Sumner's greatest lyrics*

*that bar is, of course, super low

Chic are as good as the Beatles.
Timbaland is as important as Phil Spector.

Discovery and Is This It are about the only important 'indie' albums released in the 00s. I've tried writing a list, like Pitchfork did for the 80s and the 70s and I keep coming back to those two albums and putting everything else in the good but not transformative basket and getting stressed.

Thought taken further; indie is both more popular and considerably worse than usually given credit for.

The Marshall Mathers LP is a terrific album that people refuse to talk about.

um, that last one, seriously?

Never seen any good reviews of that album or hectares of column inches about it, no siree.

That's a bunch of challops in a row. XXP

Isn't that what this thread is for?

Only Built 4 Cuban Linxx is horribly mastered and you can only hear about 1/3rd of the lyrics.

A rare opinion isn't necessarily a challops.

Shrugs. Was just throwing stuff out there.

The last one was the most difficult and I agree it was loved and discussed to death at the time of release but (and I might be wrong) I can't find a thread discussing it that's been updated since 2004 and who nowadays, in a discussion of rap music, puts up their hand and says, 'hey the Marshall Mathers LP was pretty damn good?'

Similarly, The Strokes first album seems to be like music criticism's third rail, you just don't touch it. But everywhere I go and everyone I talk to engages with that album on some level and I just have this feeling that it's not only fun (any song off it is a floor filler) but important.

Also, I'd be glad to hear any negative comments regarding Timbaland and Chic.

And if you want, throw me a list of albums from 00s onwards...

Naming a Strokes album or a Daft Punk album as your #1 album of the 2000s isn't a rare opinion. They'll probably both be on the PFM list when it inevitably comes out. Maybe not as #1, but high enough. It's like saying that you're unique because you think Sound of Silver was the best album of last year, and not Person Pitch.

But HOOS is probably right. The whole thread pretty much is challops.

My rare opinion is not that those two albums are good (they are and they overwhelmingly considered to be) but that other albums, such as Person Pitch or say, Funeral, or whatever p4k voted the best album in the other years, is going to look silly and pale next to them on a list.

Put another way, why am I scratching my head in 2008 and wondering why what's left standing is two albums released nearly 8 years ago?

that is such a lame rare opinion :(

Discovery and Is This It are about the only important 'indie' albums released in the 00s.

― Popture, Tuesday, 7 October 2008

And yet 'Is this it' was released by RCA and 'Discovery' by Virgin and thus cannot really be considered 'indie' albums by any means.

Except by British means.

OH SNAP

Oh come on, honestly? 'By any means'? Can't we just ignore the what is 'indie' debate and admit they are they are often listened to by people who self identify as indie listeners and show up in countless media as an example of indie rock.

But fine, maybe these are more ilx'y:

I think Here Comes The Warm Jets is better nearly all Bowie albums.
I prefer and find Alice far more satisfying than John Coltrane.

Simply put, indie = independent, not affiliated to any major label or the RIAA, so to speak, there's no debate in that. Debates on 'what is indie' spring when people speak of 'indie' as a music genre.

Daft Punk and The Strokes showing up in countless media as an example of indie rock? I call bollocks on you sir. Why not call Eminem indie while you're at it.

I prefer and find Alice far more satisfying than John Coltrane.

Much better :)

Well, technically Em's first EP was on an indie label. And since the Strokes never released an album on an independent label, Eminem is more indie than the Strokes. By your definition anyway.

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Timbaland is as important as Phil Spector.

OMG, in the old days "important" would have gotten your ass thrown out of here.

The thing about the old days -- they the old days.

And since the Strokes never released an album on an independent label,

rough trade are part of beggars banquet who are indie, so their first album was indie in the UK at least

Joanna Newsom is one of the greatest songwriters of any time.

delete thread

waaaaaaaaaht.

is it a rare opinion to prefer the byrds to both the beach boys & the beatles, and in fact to nearly any other sixties rock group?

byrds also have the best solo records fuck the haters.

I prefer and find Alice far more satisfying than John Coltrane.

― Popture, Tuesday, October 7, 2008 2:25 AM (2 hours ago)

This should be modified, I find Alice more satisfying than life, she's a trip to your soul and we touch it and feel the great resonating razor hum of the universe.

I've been totally digging Journey In Satchidananda recently. Awesome stuff.

Flying Lotus is the best Coltrane

is it a rare opinion to prefer the byrds to both the beach boys & the beatles, and in fact to nearly any other sixties rock group?

― ian

I would guess that the Beach Boys get the most ILMlove of the three.

Ornette Coleman's alto sax soloing is some of the most unpleasant and irritating ever committed to tape, and I actually far prefer his trumpet and violin efforts.

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, October 6, 2008 7:38 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

!!!!

― Sundar

Hahaha, do I win?

Actually, I've said it before: Is it possible that I just hate the sound of that plastic sax, assuming that it sounds different from a regular one? I do like Ornette on tenor. (And Ornette On Tenor)

Monster is R.E.M.'s best, most consistent album.

Get Ready is *in parts* as good as New Order's eighties material.

- king crimson's best album is 'the construkction of light'.

- new order are incredibly tedious.

- 'umbrella' was OK, I guess.

- rollins band at their peak were better than black flag

Sorry Discordian, you certainly aren't alone on that Monster opinion.

Sorry Discordian, you certainly aren't alone on that Monster opinion.

Well, in that case I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Alvin Lucier's music is incredibly sad and moving

The Strokes - Room on Fire is the most strange and conceptual music of the 00's

"Hot In Herre" was Nelly's worst single

I can almost get behind that. What did people see in it? "Dillemna" is probably worse though.

Deep Purple's best album is "Burn"

Chavez is the best indie rock band ever.

rosanna is better than africa

This is actually true!

new order would have been better as a guitar band
the only good thing about joy division is the intro to love will blah blah blah blah

Robert Palmer's Clues was one of the best albums of 1980.

The Plugz' Electrify Me is the best album of the entire late '70s/early '80s California punk scene.

Conor Oberst made the best record of 2008.

Joy Division are shite.

Jets to Brazil's Perfecting Loneliness is a heartbreakingly beautiful album.

I wouldn't go as far as shite, but I'd go with 'kind of dull'.

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Saint Julian is Julian Cope's best record.

almost all of daft punk's output post-"homework" is not actually an improvement over any of the old records they sampled to make it

Joy Division are shite.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, October 7, 2008 3:25 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^ not a rare opinion. at least not in America.

rong!

"Ignition" >>>>> "Ignition (rmx)"

another fun thread:

Go Ahead and Blaspheme here...it's all been approved.

tombot otm (at least when it comes to Edwin Birdsong)

alive 2007 is somethin tho

Captain Beefheart is fucking terrible, unlistenable, pretentious drivel.

dephece mode are boring/annoying.
radiohead are boring.

>dephece mode are boring/annoying.

>radiohead are boring.

The difference between these two statements (neither of which I'd dispute) is that Radiohead are often boring on purpose.

"boring on purpose" - pretentious

M.I.A. is worse than Milli Vanilli

9/11 was an inside job?

R.E.M are some tedious rubbish no better than Travis or any other of their imitators.

I prefer and find Alice far more satisfying than John Coltrane.

I pretty much agree with this also.

Captain Beefheart is fucking terrible, unlistenable, pretentious drivel.

― CharlieNo4, Tuesday, October 7, 2008 5:35 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

i think this is standard among non-weirdos

most british music was rubbish in the last 20 years or so

M.I.A. is worse than Milli Vanilli

― Vision, Tuesday, October 7, 2008 5:48 PM (30 minutes ago)

I don't necessarily see this as a slight.

Black Sabbath's "Never Say Die" is a great album

it's Never Say Die!, and you are not alone...great sleeve pics, ace tunes from "Junior's Eyes" ("I'll try my hardest not to cry, when it is time to say goodbye" gets me every time) to "Over To You" (as good a pop-metal song as anything BOC was doing at the time) to "A Hard Road" (a rare Sabbath anthem)...Van Halen opened for 'em on the tour...critically, this LP got/gets a raw deal...

Sorry about the apostrophe!

I really like the Bill Ward sung "Swinging the Chain". Killer riff

actually, it's the crucial exclamation point that was missing!

wah!...I just went to the iTunes store to listen to clips from the album, and they don't have any Ozzy-era stuff!...wah!

most british American music was rubbish in the last 20 30 years or so

Corrected! :)

That Children of Doom is the best St Vitus album.

lady of rage is the dopest female rapper of all time

rosanna is better than africa

This is actually true!

― Evel Knievel's Dark Side (Pancakes Hackman), Tuesday, October 7, 2008 10:28 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is crazy talk btw

The Ramones were kinda dull.

Cozen should sue RYM:
http://rateyourmusic.com/board_message/message_id_is_535168

;)

The Boswell Sisters invented rock 'n' roll

The Stooges debut is better than Funhouse by a fair bit.

Also, here's a medium rare opinion I actually possess:

Pretenders II > the debut album

"Easy as Sin" is by best song by Everything But The Girl

"It's OK Johanna" is better than anything on Don't Stand Me Down

the Beatles' Yesterday and Today has a nifty cover.

the music in west side story is horrible.
handel is as good as bach (the proof is in the operas though)

The Ramones were kinda dull.

The Ramones were about as punk as Eddie fucking Cochrane.

this hasn't been said so far, so I dunno if it's actually rare or not, I've never heard it from anybody than me though:

Mooney was better than Suzuki.

The Clash are the most overrated band ever.

Mooney was better than Suzuki.

absolutely. I thought I was the only one.

The Clash are the most overrated band ever.

more truth!

Oh, the most overrated band ever would be another punk band: Sex Pistols. :)

People talking about overrated punk outfits would be well advised to re-read the thread title

Fashion's 'Move On' is by far the best New Wave single of the 80's.

toenut were fucking great.

All my opinions are second hand. That way you don't have to worry too much about their upkeep and you can let them become shiny with continual use, not worrying too much that your once original ideas and concepts have become stale burdens, reflecting an essential deterioration in your mental character, and ossification of your spiritual being, with the implication that you are going to stay the same, only worse, until you die.

I do think the dissolution of the monasteries in the 1530s was ultimately responsible for the credit crunch though. I don't think this has any musical implications however.

Mooney was better than Suzuki.

absolutely. I thought I was the only one

That makes three of us

That Orange Juice are incredibly mediocre and don't deserve the weird cloud of BS hype that seems to have surrounded them for nearly 30 years.

That The Fugs are incredibly overrated and their reputation as someone said further up this thread is due to who they influenced, not their music.

Charlie Parker ruined jazz completely.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3021/2470525477_19cf8cdf36.jpg?v=0

Found out! Yet it is still a rare opinion, and I still hold it.

The emo genre is the equivalent to soul music for middle class caucasians and any criticism brought forth upon it should be viewed in light of this.

also vhs as a collectable medium will start to make a comeback within five years.

http://www.unc.edu/bounce/images/p6art1.jpg

The emo genre is the equivalent to soul music for middle class caucasians and any criticism brought forth upon it should be viewed in light of this.

I love this opinion!

Die.

The emo genre is the equivalent to soul music for middle class caucasians and any criticism brought forth upon it should be viewed in light of this.

It's an interesting point, but I think it's go to based at least in some part on some outdated modes of thinking.
ifyouknowwhatimean.

got* to be.

i make a typo or two every post i make these days.

I guess my opinion is based on the idea that environment plays a large role in shaping genres. Not a particularly new idea, but I don't think it gets applied to all genres as uniformly as it should. Hip hop and soul music are often cited as being shaped by the environment the artists were in, emo not so much.

The new Metallica album is the best thing they've ever done.

nb i don't actually believe this

Yes emo is shaped by environment if by environment you mean spoilt middle class white kids with too much time on their hands

I have a few of these rare opinions of which you speak. I think Bright Flight is the best Silver Jews album. I believe that 99% of songs that are sampled by hip hop artists are better in their hip hop version than their original. I have more but Im tired.

Emo's are outsiders among their peers to a much larger extent than hip-hop fans are.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine.

^that's no lie.

Lately, two I can't seem to find anyone who agrees with me, so I guess these are my rarest: (1) I find The Byrds boring and (2) I find Big Star boring.

I agree with those.

D'oh!

Or I mean Woohoo!

I do like Teenage Fanclub though.

Joy Division are bad. The gross Nazi edgelording, the monotonous arrangements/vocal style, the childish nihilism. Martin Hannett got some good drum sounds, that's about it.

a new challops thread emerges

yeah why not just Post a controversial music opinion

I don't find JD nihilistic. They're classic capital-r-Romantics.

tbf there is a difference between rarity and controversy. me saying "I don't like Prince" isn't controversial but me saying "Prince is overrated / talentless / can't sing / unattractive" would be

"The gross Nazi edgelording"

british peoples coming of age in the 60s/70s grew up with people traumatized by wwII and nazi stuff was their way of dealing with roger waters.

"monotonous arrangements"

lots more variety in their catalog then you might remember. they weren't all black/white minimal/repetition.

"vocal style"

he was learning how to add more color/melodicism to his sound. then he died.

"childish nihilism"

they were children. and it was really more *self-doubt/self-harm/they lived in a gloomy place with a lot of unemployment* then nihilism. also, they were children.

"Martin Hannett got some good drum sounds"

you can say that again! also: their drummer was awesome!

nazi stuff was their way of dealing with roger waters.

Lol at this.

lol Roger Waters way of dealing with being Roger Waters is *also* Nazi cosplay, so at least they have that in common

Sometimes I think "Joy Division aren't all that good" then I hear "Digital" somewhere and I realise I was incorrect

Joy Division are bad. The gross Nazi edgelording, the monotonous arrangements/vocal style, the childish nihilism. Martin Hannett got some good drum sounds, that's about it.

― famous instagram dog (Shakey Mo Collier)

this is actually really interesting to me! i don't much like joy division myself but i do kinda feel like... not so much defending them as presenting a different perspective?

part of it is, i think, the difficulty of separating art and life. and part of it is just that those were, well, more edgelordy times. i used to be an internet troll, i used to be an edgelord, and on some level i did genuinely enjoy it. on another level i was also miserable and suicidal. scott's already brought up roger waters, and i do think there is a, like, larger correlation between being obsessed with nazis or serial killers or whatever and having struggles with mental illness, particularly depression.

maybe i'm being overly reductive, maybe there is more to joy division than "Ian Curtis killed himself". that's all i can hear in their music.

I like a lot of Joy Division, love New Order, still do -- they were the realization of New Order. So other than my first post I've no interest in defending a band I rarely listen to willingly.

dull dismal grey music. Curtis was a Tory voter.

well, that seals it

New Order were Tories as well, but I do like some of their tunes, albeit in a nostalgic dying of the light way. But I'd only hear them by chance on the radio, in that kind of manner.

I never liked JD that much, don't hate them but they just didn't speak to me

If Sumner was a Tory, he has since recanted:

https://www.nme.com/news/music/new-orders-bernard-sumner-the-tories-should-vacate-the-premises-and-labour-should-get-its-act-together-3750347

joy division my second fave rock band.

Any opinion you might have on Joy Division is statistically not going to be that rare amongst music fans.

I propose we use this thread exclusively for opinions on local bands that you went to high school with.

hah yeah i remember seeing a fb post from a friend on what was just being rechristened 'hot takes' and the first one was 'closer is better than unknown pleasures'. oof ?

Joy Division's music was OK; you could hear what they were trying to do, but they mostly lacked the budget or the equipment to get it 100% right. And Curtis was a terrible vocalist.

Now let's talk about Suicide! No band has ever benefited more from living in a city with a vast surplus of rock critics.

I'm a JD fan, but you can definitely say they'd come off a big underwhelming for your average normie. I mean what other band's brand is as out there, for music that is as out there?

Suicide were post-punk before punk even existed, the best

"If Sumner was a Tory, he has since recanted:"

I mean Tory in the sense of entrepreneurial rich melts who just want to be liked. A millionaire mildly scolding the UK Labour party is no better to criticising the previous incumbents because essentially they are the same. I can't remember Sumner supporting the only decent Labour leader of my lifetime.

Scooby Doo is fascist

Fair! xpost

"I propose we use this thread exclusively for opinions on local bands that you went to high school with."

my friends had a cool band in high school if you like heavy riffin' and soda pop!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qpv-lGNXAQ

they were fun live too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8U054fjD_4

shit sorry that was a reunion clip. i don't do reunions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6-8zcV3li8

Our high school band was the parents of a friend, they had/have a cool jazz band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjiAULzkALg

in the 80's they added soon-to-be-famous guitar player Tim Reynolds!

we also had The Landlords, later to find "fame" as Happy Flowers

my sole school friend who ever made a living from music is the bass player in the UK's third-best-known ska punk band of the early 2000s

joy division definitely “spoke to me” or whatever. I sort of agree withMark Fisher that JD really isn’t, like, healthy music for young men to get super into

damn sorry for backtracking

there were no good bands at my high school that I was aware of at the time

I'm a JD fan, but you can definitely say they'd come off a big underwhelming for your average normie. I mean what other band's brand is as out there, for music that is as out there?

― encino morricone (majorairbro)

i mean... i'm not one of those "name six songs by the band on your t-shirt" goobers but it is _weird_ to me that the _Unknown Pleasures_ cover is Nike logo levels of iconic. it's basically disconnected from joy division for me, at this point. i don't have a problem with it, but it's weird.

Scooby Doo is fascist

― if this site were a food it would have NO nutritional value!!!!!!! (Neanderthal)

is this a reference to something

I propose we use this thread exclusively for opinions on local bands that you went to high school with.

― Daniel_Rf

everyone i went to high school with is dead

no not really

i went to high school with... pete yorn, i think? i never actually met him. or listened to his music.

joy division definitely “spoke to me” or whatever. I sort of agree withMark Fisher that JD really isn’t, like, healthy music for young men to get super into

― brimstead

i've never read any of his stuff and i guess i'd, like, want to know the context. certainly i'm not in any position to criticize... i had the misfortune of getting into frank zappa in my late teens. i just kind of... i don't expect young men to have better personal judgement than i do now!

shit sorry that was a reunion clip. i don't do reunions.

― scott seward

epic callback btw

i didn't really like joy division when i was in my 20s. i sure listened to them a lot and *tried* to like them though, as they seemed like the kind of band i needed to like.

then in my 30s i really cottoned on to new order.

and now in my 40s i casually revisited jd and they blew me away. the weird thing was i knew all the songs, like i was listening to all the songs i was familiar with from my 20s but suddenly it was all urgent and beautiful sounding.

Joy Division always sounded like ass.

I’d congratulate them on having some great artwork but that was a byproduct of Peter Saville pretty much doing every design on Factory Records.

Props to New Order for making an actually good band from its ashes.

"ruben & the jets" is frank zappa's best record

that might not be a rare opinion tho

Anyway yeah completely agree with Shakey

Scooby Doo is fascist
― if this site were a food it would have NO nutritional value!!!!!!! (Neanderthal)

In its repetitive structure (shades of Nietsche's eternal recurrence), everything that threatens the order of bourgeois society, all the little ghouls and goblins, including one most assume a certain spectre haunting Europe, are unmasked to reveal rational economic actors, and so while on the face of it the show is conspiratorial, in fact it is trying to repel all threats to the system, stuffing them back into a comforting universal logic of profit. This, needless to say, is pure ideology - ruh roh indeed!

I've generally considered Ruben & the Jets my favorite Zappa record too, although I discovered Hot Rats only recently

we also had The Landlords, later to find "fame" as Happy Flowers

The movie Whiplash sucks.

All of that director's movies suck.

xxp I am! I got to see the Happy Flowers 20th anniversary show at Tokyo Rose. and yeah they opened for Sonic Youth at Trax on the Daydream Nation tour.

The movie Whiplash sucks.

― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, August 20, 2024 11:48 AM bookmarkflaglink

how rare is that considering there's a thread for that where this exact sentiment is expressed by several posters

"ruben & the jets" is frank zappa's best record

that might not be a rare opinion tho

― donald wears yer troosers (doo rag), Tuesday, August 20, 2024 12:18 AM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I've never heard anyone say this and I would imagine anyone who does just doesn't like Zappa that much, which is....extremely understandable

bob dylan has many good songs, but none of his albums are great. the guy has always badly needed an editor

In its repetitive structure (shades of Nietsche's eternal recurrence), everything that threatens the order of bourgeois society, all the little ghouls and goblins, including one most assume a certain spectre haunting Europe, are unmasked to reveal rational economic actors, and so while on the face of it the show is conspiratorial, in fact it is trying to repel all threats to the system, stuffing them back into a comforting universal logic of profit. This, needless to say, is pure ideology - ruh roh indeed!

― Daniel_Rf

ok but what about Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated, the lovecraftian take on scooby doo where velma is a lesbian

The movie Whiplash sucks.

― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo)

i think it's the best portrayal of child abuse i've ever seen on film.

it's a terrible jazz movie, though.

bob dylan has many good songs, but none of his albums are great. the guy has always badly needed an editor

― 365 normal man (tremolo)

I guess either Highway 61 or Blood on the Tracks could be “the” Dylan album… they’re only what… 8/9 tracks long? not much you could leave out without making them feel more like an EP.

Blonde on Blonde could perhaps be “the one” if you cut like 1/3 of it.

Freewheeling is completely solid all the way through

The movie Whiplash sucks.

how rare is that considering there's a thread for that where this exact sentiment is expressed by several posters

I guess I missed it. In practically every movie forum (outside of here) that I frequent, everyone sings its praises. I'm glad ILX knows better.

Director's subsequent career has soured many on that film.

- Green Book isn’t a great film but it’s fine.
- I love DJ culture but, at the end of the day, DJing is corny and DJs should feel some embarrassment.

I love Whiplash and I hate jazz.

I suppose hating jazz is another unpopular take but my feeling is mostly about preference rather than a judgement about the genre itself.

People who say they hate jazz just make me confused, like dixieland? free jazz? acid jazz? swing? fusion? Like you actually hate In A Silent Way and not because you're a jazz purist, just because you hate all jazz? I just don't understand.

i mean as a jazz fan i get what you're saying but i also know the phenomenon of the deadhead who when you say "the dead suck" are like "ohhhh but maaaaaaaaaaan have you heard the Dark Star from May 25, 1972, Europe '72, man, it'll change your fuckin' life"

and _maybe_ but at the same time people can just be ignorant and hate the dead, you know? it's not like they're homophobic or anything. i mean maybe they're homophobic, which is a problem, but it's not a problem listening to the Dark Star from May 25, 1972 will fix.

I would venture that the entirety of jazz and the complete works of The Grateful Dead are two quite different things.

Well, as I've said before, people who say "you should listen to jazz" piss me off, because they're always saying it like "have you considered vegetarianism?" If you want to get someone to listen to jazz, figure out what they like about the music they already like, and recommend something in that vein. "Oh, you like Coldplay? You might like GoGo Penguin." "You like Westbound-era Funkadelic? You should check out Miles Davis's Agharta."

OK you've all asked for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8lrpSk0XYI

just let people listen to what they like

nobody said anyone should be forced to listen to / not listen to anything.

i can't watch that boosh guy's face. its like the grateful dead for people who don't like the grateful dead of comedy for me.

and combined with that hair...

he is currently the voice of the automatic checkouts at my local supermarket

I would venture that the entirety of jazz and the complete works of The Grateful Dead are two quite different things.

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length)

ok but have you heard "Jazz is Dead" doing Eyes at Penn's Peak on January 28, 2023? It's on the archive, man, you need to check that shit out and then tell me they're two different things

god dammit now i'm listening to "jazz is dead" and this stuff is pretty good

FUCK this is how the dead fucking gets you

it's pretty incredible how i'm the only person in the world who likes the grateful dead exactly the correct amount

i like that one song of theirs, "upper mississippi half-step toodleoo"

Rare opinion: the studio recording of any Grateful Dead song is the best and definitive version.

It's actually worse than the famous Cristiano Ronaldo one.

https://static.dw.com/image/44278679_605.jpg

... oops wrong thread. I'll leave it there anyway.

that is my reaction to all these opinions

should probably change this thread title to *What Is The Least Rare Opinion You Actually Possess*.

"What Is The Opinion You Think Makes You Special"

xxxxpost lol rushomancy

- I love DJ culture but, at the end of the day, DJing is corny and DJs should feel some embarrassment.

― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, August 21, 2024 2:07 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

whole-heartedly agree and i am a dj

adjacent opinion -- i love techno and house and all related genres, but really cannot get into the culture whatsoever, i hate clubs, the scenes so frequently suck, it's all best listened to alone while regarding a neon-lit cityscape or maybe a nearby foggy mountain, or driving on a freeway around the widest distant perimeter of a massive metropolis, with the hazy glow of the lights your only companion.

"ruben & the jets" is frank zappa's best record

that might not be a rare opinion tho

― donald wears yer troosers (doo rag), Tuesday, August 20, 2024 12:18 AM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I've never heard anyone say this and I would imagine anyone who does just doesn't like Zappa that much, which is....extremely understandable

― frogbs, Tuesday, August 20, 2024 12:15 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I'm a Zappa apologist, "fan" to my implies a level of all-in that I couldn't ever be with Zappa but I like a lot of his work and spend way too much mental energy & time trying to imagine what An Actually Good Zappa would look like, trying to separate out the Zappa I can't stand from the Zappa I like...and I consider Ruben and the Jets probably his best work, certainly his best work that has vocals.

i think it's best as running music but basically agree. xp

Recently I tried Whiplash, and never came back to it after pausing halfway. These people did not feel like musicians in any way. A sports movie with hi-hats? It was like when you read journalism on a topic in your wheelhouse, and see how the journalist may understand the gist, but doesn't get the core, it was too actor-y to suspend disbelief.

yeah I feel you Omar, tbh most of my favorite techno tracks evoke peopleless nature sublimity or like complex machinery and my favorite clubbing moments are when I feel most like a machine.

should probably change this thread title to *What Is The Least Rare Opinion You Actually Possess*.

― scott seward

i think the beatles are pretty cool! my favorite beatle is john

Recently I tried Whiplash, and never came back to it after pausing halfway. These people did not feel like musicians in any way. A sports movie with hi-hats? It was like when you read journalism on a topic in your wheelhouse, and see how the journalist may understand the gist, but doesn't get the core, it was too actor-y to suspend disbelief.

― Theracane Gratifaction (bendy)

they're not musicians, they're abuse victims, the teacher is abusing them. that's what the movie's about. like, the movie cuts where it does, but narratively, after that concert the kid playing "whiplash" kills himself. i can't remember where i read that, i don't _think_ i made that up, i think i read someone else saying that. anyway, that's how the story ends. the ending we see is a hope spot.

Haha, that's certainly a plausible interpretation, but I don't think there's anything actually in the movie to imply that?

I'm a Zappa apologist, "fan" to my implies a level of all-in that I couldn't ever be with Zappa but I like a lot of his work and spend way too much mental energy & time trying to imagine what An Actually Good Zappa would look like, trying to separate out the Zappa I can't stand from the Zappa I like...and I consider Ruben and the Jets probably his best work, certainly his best work that has vocals.

― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, August 21, 2024 12:07 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

tbh idea of a Zappa apologist is pretty funny, just goin' around saying "I'm sorry about Frank Zappa"

fwiw I think most "fans" have plenty of issues with him, most common ones are "he isn't funny", "he's really gross", "his production values went to shit", it's rare to find a Zappa fan who's just all-in on everything

Apology not accepted

it's rare to find a Zappa fan who's just all-in on everything

Really? The only Zappa I've ever known was exactly like that. I would have assumed that's exactly the sort of fans Zappa would attract.

... Zappa fan, that is.

I like a lot of his work and spend way too much mental energy & time trying to imagine what An Actually Good Zappa would look like, trying to separate out the Zappa I can't stand from the Zappa I like

definitely the ultimate "but i can fix him" artist

they definitely exist but most times when I meet a fan of Zappa we spend most of the time just bitching about him

You must move in peculiar circles if you're bumping into Zappa fans that often.

I DJ prog rock sets lmao

Trying to imagine being willing to admit being a Zappa fan to a stranger in public.

So would the rarest Zappa opinion (in 2024) be "I only like the gross stuff"? Maybe in the 70s there were fans who felt this way, but connoisseurs of present-day grossness have a cornucopia laid out before them.

yeah maybe "Zappa is funny" would be a rare opinion. but then again we are a self-selecting group, I'd guess that on "yellow snow" uploads there's dozens of "NOW THAT'S SOME HUMOR...SORRY IT'S NOT 'PC'!!" comments

Given up on Zappa ages ago, but along slightly similar lines my favourite Bonzo Dog Band LP is Let's Make Up & Be Friendly, no contest.

"Zappa is funny" would be a rare opinion

Not just "Zappa is funny", but "I hate his pretensions and only like his humour".

from "Don't Eat the Yellow Snow" on YouTube

@roughbeast
1 year ago
No other has combined humour, complexity, superb orchestration and beauty like Zappa has done. We miss you Frank.

@tonydardi332
5 years ago
This stuff was so far ahead of it’s time it’s still ahead of its time.

@matty2470
3 years ago
This really is as good as it gets, right? It has the most perfect balance between, music, theater, humor and bonkers originality that you only get with Zappa on top form

@brianoneil9662
4 years ago (edited)
Thanks to this song "Great Googlymoogly!" and "Right upside the head of my favorite baby seal" and "destined to take the place of the mudshark in your mythology " enttered the lexicon of slang for my friends and I back in middle school in the late 70s. It wasn't just the lyrics though. Lyrics without a good tune are just bad poetry.

@user-mm7xr8if1u
2 months ago
This album is insane. Gawd, I've never danced, head-banged, and laughed so much in my days. Goofy, hilarious, much humor, savant-genius, prog, orchestral, bluesy, bipolar rock. I think Frank's brain was too big for his body.

@HughMorristheJoker
3 years ago
This stuff would never get out of the basement these days. No one takes chances anymore. Thank the great googly moogly for zappa!!!

just let people listen to what they like

― brimstead

This is the most controversial take I’ve ever read in here.

I just did search on YouTube for "zappa yellow snow reaction" and there are lots of videos I do not want to watch.

My rare and genuinely-held opinion: the best song either Paul Simon or Art Garfunkel have ever been involved with is "Bright Eyes".

just let people listen to what they like

― brimstead

This is the most controversial take I’ve ever read in here.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, August 21, 2024 5:26 PM (one hour ago)

without rancor or anything, but what do you wish would happen on a music discussion board? just recommendations -- no opinions that gainsay somebody else's pleasant experience? I'm not a hater, I do think finding 1000 ways to say something sucks is boring, but "critical conversation is bad" is weird to me -- when somebody doesn't like something I like, I take pleasure in discussing that thing with them, in seeing the thing I like from different angles and in presenting my own case for it. I don't really understand why we would be on a music discussion board if we didn't begin with the proposition "there's pleasure to be had in discussing music."

No I just think if someone says they “hate jazz” there’s really no point to “get them into jazz” and its kind of rude and patronizing actually.

Ween is kind of like if Zappa was more entertaining. Still not funny, but entertaining.

That “Bright Eyes” take is unhinged, and I say this as a S&G fan and as an Angela Morley super fan

JCLC and Moka otm. Haters are essential. No one should feel safe enjoying music imo. People should look over there shoulders as soon as they press play on Unknown Pleasures. Public morality should not be blasphemed!

More seriously: the existence of the inner critic presupposes the outer critic. And a respectable human being should respect the outer critic inasmuch as they respect the inner critic. Solipsism is dud in all forms

Ween is kind of like if Zappa was more entertaining. Still not funny, but entertaining.

but Ween are very drugs, and Zappa is very not-drugs

That's what Chris said

just please forget my post, okay?

of course criticism is good, I’m thought it was about random people in the office saying they hate jazz or something.

Neil Tennant on the power of negative thinking:

https://selectmagazinescans.monkeon.co.uk/showpage.php?file=wp-content/uploads/2010/12/hate.jpg

I think Zappa is funny when he's off the cuff, there are several moments in Apostrophe that make me laugh but I think its all stuff that's improvised

speaking of The Beatles, i was listening to the robo-oldies station in the car this morning and they had an actual deejay on for once, (the first i'd ever heard on there) and he was going to play "Come Together" and he said that he loved Aerosmith but that they had ruined the song and that...and here is the rare opinion...NOBODY SHOULD EVER COVER THE BEATLES.

that was actually the first time i'd ever heard someone say that! thus, actual rarity.

I like that cover. And Michael Jackson's.

That “Bright Eyes” take is unhinged, and I say this as a S&G fan and as an Angela Morley super fan

Blame the Wombles

i prefer EWF's Got to Get You Into My Life.

that isn't my rarest opinion, I'm just throwing that in.

rarest opinion is that I think Princess Bride is execrable and annoying and I'm tired of hearing its quotes and seeing its memes

I prefer George Burns' version of "Fixing a Hole". How's about that?

That “Bright Eyes” take is unhinged, and I say this as a S&G fan and as an Angela Morley super fan

― idiot savant vs. genius stupide (flamboyant goon tie included)

wait did angela morley have something to do with bright eyes

i'd never thought about the idea of angela morley superfans before but - this is a compliment - it makes total sense that you'd be one :) i'm not an angela morley superfan, i basically know her for, well, the thing you'd _expect_ me to know her for

if there's any work of hers you particularly recommend, though, i'd love to hear those recommendations!

so do I! xpost

speaking of The Beatles, i was listening to the robo-oldies station in the car this morning and they had an actual deejay on for once, (the first i'd ever heard on there) and he was going to play "Come Together" and he said that he loved Aerosmith but that they had ruined the song and that...and here is the rare opinion...NOBODY SHOULD EVER COVER THE BEATLES.

that was actually the first time i'd ever heard someone say that! thus, actual rarity.

― scott seward

i have spent literal years finding covers i enjoy of every single beatles original released under the beatles name between 1962 and 1970, so, uh. hard disagree i guess?

my preferred cover of "fixing a hole" is duffy power's, for the record.

still finding new stuff, btw. just now listening to Lisbeth's cover of "Your Mother Should Know" under the title Äitisi tietää sen. better than the original for sure.

This is an Angela Morley track from the Watership Down OST which I love unreservedly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMtaOfg6wnE

She didn't write Bright Eyes, that's by Mike Batt of Wombles fame.

yeah there are plenty of incredible Beatles covers out there, felt like standard practice until like 1980 to do at least one on your first album at least, oftentimes it was the highlight too

personally I think XTC and TMBG are just as brilliant when it comes to songwriting but I haven't really found a cover of either that I really liked, Beatles songs just feel more flexible I guess

if there's any work of hers you particularly recommend, though, i'd love to hear those recommendations!

Apart from the Scott Walker albums you mean?

pulling weeds is really satisfying and kinda fun

i just heard someone say that two hours ago.

dang, not so rare

my rarest opinion is that streaks on the china always mattered before

"dang, not so rare"

i know, right? i was in the endoscopy waiting room at the hospital waiting for my dad and a surgeon was telling a mother not to have too much sugar in the house for her kid and when they were done telling the mom not to have cereal and juice around a nurse pushed the surgeon playfully into the window where there was a small rooftop garden and she said that she needed to get out there and weed and that she actually really liked to weed and that it was very satisfying and that it cleared the weeds in her mind.

Lol I don’t know if me responding to brimstead’s post was not understood as a joke but it was a joke. I think discussing music is fun for some, but ultimately people should just listen to what they like.

… Preferably on headphones if its Joy Division.

my rare opinion is that you people drool and joy division rules!

Yeah, I mistaked a few days ago. Angela Morley composed the score for Watership Down but had nothing to do with "Bright Eyes", I always thought she'd been a part of it! I was wrong

Angela Morley is second in-my-book only to Nelson Riddle insofar as genius arrangers go. Obvious answer to kate about "where should I start with her?" is Scott 3.

i've hung around too long listening to the old landlady's hard-luck stories

You out of me, me out of you
We go like ILXors
To replace the empty space
Repeat our posts to someone new

the 3-day-old mod request's a cold trembling leaf

With their arms round each other the two ragged ILXOrs
Laughed through a war that they couldn't see

Apart from the Scott Walker albums you mean?

― Defund Phil Collins (Tom D.)

well gee, i never made that connection... i remember looking at the credits of the old cds i have when i first got them, but they credit her under her deadname, and it just... never clicked in my brain, haha. i really only knew her for her work with, uh, the goon show!