Wiley - Treading On Thin Ice

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holy crap its the return of CONSCIOUS RAP

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

(only half kidding. is great. full-er report later tonight.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

talk more plz.

(I am at work, but I left my slsk on all day, meaning that this will be waiting for me upon my arrival home)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

How many R&B tunes are there?

How many vocal tracks?

Is Tinchy on it?

Has anyone seen the artwork yet?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm comin' a-callin' @d@m!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i have to go finish law & order and i have only given it one cursory listen.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I so so want this to be good, but I have a few doubts. I hope I'm wrong. And I'm not just covering myself so that I can look all hip if it's a dud!

(s1ocki- be my guest. though it often crashes during the day)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

i often crash during the day!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i know!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

also i won't be on hi-speed again until tomorrow

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm close to crashing now as i just ate a gigantic roti & some fried potato & green onion balls.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

*still trying to think if the return of conscious rap is a good thing or not*

as long as it doesn't sound like Definition Of Sound.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

It's really good. Not as abrasive as I'd expected... very poppy in places. Tinchy is on it, on "Next Level". All vocal tracks except a couple of instrumental interludes. Have only listened to it once (got it today, was going to start a thread but forgot) so no fully-formed/coherent impressions yet!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

adam you'll be happy (?) to know there is at least one MASSIVE r&b cut-up (track #7) ala "you were always"...except imagine that 10x bigger sounding with an opening that sounds like seefeel or fennesz or something.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

yes yes yes very happy going home now thanks bye!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

The R&B track ("Special Girl") is my favourite on first listen!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

did this actually leak or did you guys just get promos we can't have? :)

― adam west (adamwest), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

it leaked! for all the press i've given xl over the last year they really owe me too.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck! why did this happen today!

― mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

daaamn. who has this on slsk then? been dying to hear this one.

― adam west (adamwest), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

How long are the interludes - 30seconds or a couple of minutes?

― Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I've listened to it twice now! haha Jess is otm about 'conscious rap' on a couple of the tracks, "Doorway" especially. "Problems" isn't on it but should be.

On a couple of the songs Wiley reminds me of Mike Skinner in terms of both delivery and lyrics - the ones where he's larking around, where he probably sounds most British ("Goin' Mad" and "Pies"). His voice is really compelling over a whole album - it's kind of underwhelming at first esp. compared to MCs with really distinctive flows like Dizzee and Lady Fury, but there's this kind of laconic, understated refusal to be all hysterical which I like. There might be a comparison to Tricky in there somewhere.

Maybe it's just cos it's the obvious comparator, I have no idea whether this is a conscious thing or even a relevant point, but he refracts a lot of the themes on Boy In Da Corner through different perspectives - the closing track "I Was Lost" is definitely Wiley's "Do It" or "Stay Positive", the ones about dealing with life's pressures do it in EXACTLY the opposite way to Dizzee. The ones about girls are really sweet. Wiley just wants a special girl, awww.

On one of the songs there is this fantastic moment where everything's slowed down and Wiley e-nun-ci-ates every syllable really calmly.

I'd share it on slsk but I have no idea how to upload songs from a CD and I'm going to bed now anyway, as can be gathered from the incoherence above I am pretty much asleep right now.

(xpost the interludes are all about a minute long)

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Being terminally behind I heard "Wot Do You Call It" for the first time yesterday. Chorus is excruciating yes, but everything else about it was great! "Igloo" cleaned up ever so slightly so that, while still being deliciously dirty sounding, it now booms and glowers to best possible effect. Wiley's rapping on it actually sounds quite Dizzee-esque I thought - no longer emotionless robot a la "I Will Not Lose" or "Ice Rink", and with slight twinges of high-pitched and cracked expressiveness halfway between ridicule and pain.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

tim you're going to be really surprised by "goin mad" then...it's quite a performance...imagine a grimey "too much brandy"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

except, since wiley's a real deep thinker/feeler, he's all keeerazy because there's so much drama in his life, not because of booze

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Agreeing with Tim, the chorus is easily the worst bit, with Wiley sounding better the faster he gets (maybe only because I can't understand what he's saying - but still). And the beefed up production makes it that more danceable.

Still wierd to see the video to it on Rage (What, Wiley isn't just some strange internet fantasy).

― Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, that's the one thing, everything on this record sounds BIGGER: maybe it's just because i've gotten so used to poor mp3's of unknown origin, but there's like actual bass on a lot of these tracks.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Still wierd to see the video to it on Rage (What, Wiley isn't just some strange internet fantasy).

-- Jedmond (jedmon...), March 25th, 2004.

ahahaha yes, first time i saw it too! the video looks extremely budget.

― Mil, Thursday, 25 March 2004 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Very low budget, but I like how the video runs around showing the method of production/distribution - I can't remember to much, it was around 4 or 5am while I was crashing at a friends place after a night out. There had been a huge run of Guns' N' Roses videos earlier, and now my mind has melted them together - I keep seeing Slash bent over backwards, with his legs splayed as he plays his guitar.

― Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 25 March 2004 03:13 (twenty-two years ago)

OKAY - *phew*

I don't know about conscious rap, but the ghost of the young Ladies Love Cool James hangs over this record like a horny sprite. It's the gutter "Walk Like A Panther"!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 05:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Lex, do you have a different tracklist from me? - I have no "Special Girl".

Anyway, nice to see the originals of "Eskimo" and "Ice Rink" on there. Standouts definitely "the R&B track" which I know as "That's What I Need", which is on the Ruff Sqwad Deja session, and "Next Level", the posse cut with Kano, Tinch, and [someone else]. A lot of people will have already heard "Pick Ur Self Up" and "Happens For A Reason", both well worthy of inclusion (but no "Take Time"!). There's also a vocal version of what was called "Ate All The Pies".

Still getting used to the newer tracks, but this is very very good. Album of the year so far.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, agreed.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry junior boys.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't be the only one attempting to project themselves into some alternate universe where nobody has ever heard "Eskimo" and then somehow coming across this album...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Also great - the chat at the beginning of "Goin Mad"! Wiley has a glowing future in children's television.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I know! That's what I was thinking yesterday! "Imagine if I was hearing this groove for the first time" - I'd have a heart attack!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I suppose I've going to have a heart attack, then? (ie, what is this "Eskimo" of which you speak?)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:38 (twenty-two years ago)

"Eskimo" = classic Wiley, er, riddim, originally appeared ages ago and host to a number of great vocal versions (my favourite being Jamaican DJ Harry Toddler's insano take, "Donkey Kick"). Pretty much the classic Wiley groove ("Ice Rink" equals if not surpasses it, but Eskimo is more representative of his general style).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:40 (twenty-two years ago)

the version i downloaded has ice rink as an instrumental. i take it that it's not supposed to be..

― adam west (adamwest), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Clarity is mine.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:44 (twenty-two years ago)

No, Ice Rink is instrumental on the record.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

@d@m, friday

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 25 March 2004 07:07 (twenty-two years ago)

friday. It is done.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 07:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't have a tracklist on me, but the backing track on track 13 is one i've been trying to identify for over a year...

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 25 March 2004 09:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Really pretty great, although it doesn't have the immediate take-your-head-off power that Boy In Da Corner did the first couple of times you played it. I'd love to know what anyone outside of the Uk is going to make of 'Pies', heh.

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 25 March 2004 09:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh and it's Tredding On Thin Ice, at least it is on my copy. Actually it's spelt two different ways on it. Hmm

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 25 March 2004 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)

was the orginal vocal of pies (the sharkie diss one) v similar? i never heard it.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 25 March 2004 11:01 (twenty-two years ago)

"Oi mayte, d'ya fink I'm a waffla mayte?"

"Well you do go on a bit mate"

"Well d'ya fink I talk a lot an' that?"

"Well yeah mate, you're always yappin' on about somink"

"You know why mate..."

― tinman, Thursday, 25 March 2004 12:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The Pies diss track was similar, but Wiley aimed the pie eating directly at Sharky (although he readily admits that he's a man of girth, so I don't think his feelings were hurt too much by that in itself).

― tinman, Thursday, 25 March 2004 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Favourite bits so far:

the zippy synth melody on "Reason"

the sort-of creepy self-help recitation monologue in "Goin' Mad" - "Get up. Off the. Floor. Pick. Yourself. Up. Dust. Yourself. Off. Realise. I'm someone. Yeah. Yeah!" - exploding into a wave of braggadocio. "I'm Wiley! I'm grimey!"

the bass coming in for the quasi-dancehall chorus of "Treddin' On Thin Ice" while those gorgeous metallic sounds sway above it all

the strings on "I Was Lost"

the tirade of abuse on the answerphone message at the start of "Pick Ur Self Up", that girl going "get a fucking life, get a fucking career, you're not even motivated, get up off your fucking arse and do something!"

the entirety of "Special Girl" and "Pies"

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 25 March 2004 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Lex, do you have a different tracklist from me? - I have no "Special Girl".

"Special Girl" = track 7, the R&B one which you know as "That's What I Need". It has Kano on it.

I'm only familiar with a few of these songs... pretty much just "Wot Do U Call It?" and the riddim interludes, because I am rubbish at downloading and can't listen to online radios, neither of which help with grime.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 25 March 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

so is it the 'timeless' of grime then?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 25 March 2004 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Artwork here:

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0001GCMEA.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Jason J, Thursday, 25 March 2004 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

was underwhelmed the first time but a headphone listening sorted it out
sounds much better LOUD with BASS, yeah

Wiley's not as virtuoso an MC as Dizzee, but his talents are more subtle
and there's a relaxed comedic flavour to most tracks
he is wiley!

I really love this album now, nice contrast to Dizzee
still, I secretly hope the finished copy has extra surprises

so is "Problems" like Wiley's "Vexed": b-side only for now?

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 25 March 2004 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

WTF???

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0001GCMEA.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

It looks like an old SST or Touch And Go cover!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

is it victoria park??

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 25 March 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

haha thats awful

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

is he wearing white 501s? mark grout to thread!!!!!

― mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

That looks like an Idlewild cover!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

It looks like an old SST or Touch And Go cover!

Ha! And the logo looks a bit like Slayer's... if it's small and you don't look too hard.

The "relaxed comedic flavour" is bang on and the thing which'll stop it being thought of as the 'Timeless' of grime or whatever. To that end I can't imagine it being a 'landmark' of anything much, but fuck it, it's just a really solid, subtle party album.

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0001GCMEA.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00004SDQ1.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

wow.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh dear dear dear dear.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

even the fonts!

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Does this mean Wiley's first album will be quite good, and then he'll just start sounding like an REM tribute band?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

the "treddin' on thin ice" font is pretty outrageous!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I think what I like is this seemingly laidback approach, with slightly hidden depth (like you can take "Ate All The Pies" as comedy or reality lyrics), is riding over PRODUCTION CLASSICS!

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, the "treddin' on thin ice" text is using the same font as The Thrills use. Your man certainly likes his shitty guitar band album art.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha I really didn't want to be the first one to admit to recognising that... thanks

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure it's made Doms millennium! haha.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

There is no denying the similarity.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00009AQM9.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

For reference's sake.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Are there really seven members of The Thrills?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

no, the guy on the right is actually wiley

― pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Like a fox?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

They have a really original look.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't seen that much denim in a band since The Woolpackers.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Or maybe B*Witched.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is funny!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 25 March 2004 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

it is!

― geeta (geeta), Thursday, 25 March 2004 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i really like the font! i thik it's funky. i like the way the ice has cracked over the surface of the sleeve. i reckon gareth's right too. i think wiley must have been woken up early in the morning when it snowed just recently and taken over vicky park to take pictures for the album. i haven't heard it cos i'm not a download pikey like you lot! but i've heard all the songs you're talking about.

― ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''', Thursday, 25 March 2004 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i like the album cover all of it except for the box which says "treddin on thin ice" that is gash

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm gonna buy it the day it comes out, Luka, I swear!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

ambrose OTM.

That cover is cool. I like it a lot. The only thing that ruins it is putting the box around the title, and repeating his name twice. That is aesthetically unpleasing.

― Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

these threads are tedious alright.

Hi! I like Wiley! Hi! Does it sound like the Streets? Hey! I'm spotting covers!

Use a chatroom...

― Dare, Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Or, alternately, you could fuck right off.

― Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i never get tired of people who contribute absolutely nothing telling us how useless ilm is.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

it gets better with each listen, i think. i do wonder what wiley would have to talk about if he actually "made it" though.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i was just playing you. but really...not everyone is interested in wiley, right?

― Dare, Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

pick ur self up was on the j2k record as well? its the same one though, right? i like that one a lot

i think i am more looking forward to this album than i was a month or two ago.

i like the sleeve. i like it more than the dizzee one, which was too yellow. yellow never works. it reminded me of the posters for kill bill.

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

i just wanted to use the phrase
download pikey
cos i just made it up and i'm proud of it
i don't have strong feelings on the issue anyway
i liked the kill bill posters too. i thought thurman looked good in the tracksuit
i don't have strong feelings on yellow in design, worked for mcdonalds

― '', Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

the dizzee sleeve was great! the typography especially! yeah the yellow was a little much. but the i luv u 12" i have is in black and blood-red!! with the typography it looks badass!

― geeta (geeta), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

gareth do you hate kill bill or just the thread we had on it?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

gareth only likes the color brown!!

― geeta (geeta), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the Dizzee sleeve is great. Shame that the same aesthetic didn't really work for the "Fix Up..." video.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The Dizzee sleeve is awesome, I like to think he's making bunny ears on it.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 25 March 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I did that thing at the show. I am so so cool.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

When Dizzee does it it's so so cute.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 25 March 2004 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

ive never seen kill bill, and i dont think i read the thread, or maybe i did, i dont remember. im just not convinced about yellow. like luka says though, it doesnt matter so much.

part of me wanted the sleeve to be a shot of the 38 at clapton pond, but that might be because i took a pic of that, but thats summery, and wouldnt fit really. it might also be too literalist.

luka, what is the track that samples drag-on and juvenile, from ruff ryders vol1? (i had to rely on trife for the sample id, despite cd sitting on shelf, somehow it didnt seem like swizz beats at time, perhaps ive overloaded on crunk, and forgot there was hip hop before crunk)

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 25 March 2004 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

dunno mate haven't heard the album. do you know about london;s only lighthouse? (this is not a music realted qustion)

― ''', Friday, 26 March 2004 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, no, its not on the album, or, at least, i havent heard the album either, it might be. it was track on a couple of ruff sqwad sets. i dont know if its a well known tune or not...

londons only lighthouse? no, i dont think so, tell me more!

― gareth (gareth), Friday, 26 March 2004 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmm ok, i want to take the internet bods to the lighthouse, you should come...
if you don't want to come just email me and i will let out the secrets!!

― '''', Friday, 26 March 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I'M EXCITED

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Friday, 26 March 2004 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

no, sounds intriguing, when?

― gareth (gareth), Friday, 26 March 2004 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

To the lighthouse?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 26 March 2004 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

'Idlewiley'!

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Friday, 26 March 2004 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Day two - it's still good!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 26 March 2004 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

i think we should give daily updates for the rest of the year

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

damn these tracks sound so so much better in hi-fidelity...

― bugged out, Friday, 26 March 2004 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

'what is the track that samples drag-on and juvenile, from ruff ryders vol1? (i had to rely on trife for the sample id, despite cd sitting on shelf, somehow it didnt seem like swizz beats at time, perhaps ive overloaded on crunk, and forgot there was hip hop before crunk)'

Wiley samples "Down Bottom"? I *love* that song!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 26 March 2004 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I WANT TO HEAR THIS SO BAD

I can also imagine that the box in the corner is a sticker, much like Dizzee Rascal's record had. Same label, it's likely.

Is "Freeze" on this? The track where he's talking about how he knows he's special like special fried rice and it's got this rugged dark beat, it's gorgeous.

What are the three songs knocking you guys down right now? I don't want to ruin the whole thing for me. When does it drop, officially?

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Friday, 26 March 2004 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

has it leaked? I must hear.

― djdee2005, Friday, 26 March 2004 04:28 (twenty-two years ago)

When does it drop, officially?

-- Rollie Pemberton (cadence_weapo...), March 26th, 2004.

April 26.

― Mil, Friday, 26 March 2004 06:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Freeze isn't on it.

Tunes:
Special Girl/That's What I Need
Next Level
The Game or Doorway or I Was Lost

three of those.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 26 March 2004 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd500/d511/d5110297jg3.jpg

― William Wiggins, Friday, 26 March 2004 06:26 (twenty-two years ago)

That's more like it!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 26 March 2004 06:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahaha I wish SST had graphics like that in '86.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 26 March 2004 06:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Did everyone sharing this on slsk spontaneously combust, or do I need to perform some sort of linguistic trickery to find it?

― minolta (minolta), Friday, 26 March 2004 06:36 (twenty-two years ago)

foulplayification: yes or no?

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Friday, 26 March 2004 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't believe how much better this is than i'd been expecting.

side-topic: are the instrumentals going to be 30secs or full-length on the finished album? cos the mp3s of them are clearly differently sourced than the mp3s of the other tracks, and don't square with the .nfo file...

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 26 March 2004 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i really like that font! nice to be reminded of that only fools and horses tune

― prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 26 March 2004 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

FUCK MY SHITTY SLOW INTERNET CONNECTION WITH KNIVES!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 26 March 2004 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Problems not on there in any way shape or form, then? That's mentalism.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 26 March 2004 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i wasn't too taken with "problems", actually.

― m., Friday, 26 March 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, no "problems". i dunno how "pretty" it all is, but it's very, very catchy. the 55 or so minutes seem over in about 20.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

also "ate all the pies" is just begging to be used by some forward thinking pastry company

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

i had some pecan pie last night and the whole time i was like "who ate all the pies, who ate all the pies, who ate all the pies, jess ate all the pies"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

and then i DID

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm amazed that Wiley got to "Who ate all the pies?" before Skinner.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 26 March 2004 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

who ate all the pies, who ate all the pies, who ate all the pies, jess ate all the pies

This is really quite charming.

Day three - now I think I am feeling very comfortable with this record. It will undoubtedly (and pointlessly) suffer in comparison to Boy In Da Corner, because it's less sonically diverse - meaning that it is very consistent and representative of the Eski house style, there aren't to many risky love-it-or-hate-it left turns like "Fix Up" or "Just A Rascal" on here. Also doesn't really plumb the depths of miserablism like Rascal. The overall tone is fairly bouncy and upbeat (Gareth, look here for your bonhomie) and the lyrical conceits amount chiefly to "I'm a top boy", "I want a girlfriend", "I don't want a girlfriend", and errrr.... "I'm Goin Mad".

Still puzzled by strongo's "conscious rap" comment, unless he was talking about "Doorway" (formerly "Ground Zero (vocal)"? - Open your eyes and look straight forward/Can't you even see that we are blind to ourselves?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 26 March 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

April 26.

I don't suppose this includes the States?

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 26 March 2004 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think he has a deal over here.

But Amazon.co.uk does deliver overseas, y'know.

Or you can do what I do and just write to my mum. She's sorting out the DJ Wrongspeed thing for me right know. Hold tight my mum!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 26 March 2004 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

A co-worker of mine is from England, and I'm constantly telling him to get his mum to send me records. Hasn't happened yet, I think she's just lazy.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 26 March 2004 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

English mothers are the worst for that. It's all the gin.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 26 March 2004 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

mother's ruin

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

who ate all the pies/it was ME/wiLEY

i think i am obsessed with this track

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the big difference between this and boy in da corner is that i don't feel like i have anything to say about it - i can't imagine it inspiring writers to such sociological malarkey highs/lows - but i have a feeling i will play it twice as much for pleasure as dizzee's.

using the "ice rink" instrumental was a mistake though.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I like this more than Dizzee.

― djdee2005, Friday, 26 March 2004 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't imagine it inspiring writers to such sociological malarkey highs/lows

OTM

Though isn't it funny that Wiley As Producer is fairly restrained and subtle here? I was wondering if he might try and spring a few surprises, but this is like a consolidation of his sound, and a "document" (ugh, horrible phrase) of the stuff he has been doing for a couple of years now. Like I said above, it seems right that Ice Rink and Eskimo have been given a new lease of life by their inclusion on the record.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 26 March 2004 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, it's more like a presentation of the three Key Wiley Sounds (minimal percussion on "ice rink", the mid-range whub-whub bassline stuff like "eskimo", and the "glitchy" [sorry, i cant think of another word to describe it right now] synth sounds of "ground zero).

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm so so happy that "happens for a reason" made it on here. i used to think of it as the great lost dizzee track, and then i forgot about it entirely. such a nice surprise to hear it pop up during my first full runthrough of the album today.

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 26 March 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

also:

track 7 :: tredding as fix up :: boy in da corner

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 26 March 2004 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

what's Track 7 again?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 26 March 2004 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

track 7 (aka "special girl" aka "what i need") isn't really new if you've heard "you were always", just bigger

"pies" is def the "jus a rascal" of this album, though

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

And errrr..."You Were Always" isn't that new if you already know Cam'ron's "Oh Boy". :)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 26 March 2004 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

and "oh boy" isn't all that new if you know kaotic kemistry ;-)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

how am i going to pay enough attention this album and the new felix with all the work i have to do?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 26 March 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

become unemployed like me.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i already sort of am!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 26 March 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

though the coming lack of electricity might impede my listening ability somewhat

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

burn it to a hand-cranked wax cylinder tube!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 26 March 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

pick myself up

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

get a fucking career

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 26 March 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

get a fucking chatroom already!!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

just kiddin

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 26 March 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

smilez!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 26 March 2004 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

hugz

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 26 March 2004 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

(I was quoting Wiley, people. Not being mean to jess)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 26 March 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

The lynch mob just abated.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 26 March 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

just you me and slocki in here i think blud

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 27 March 2004 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i hate you all!

except @d@m

― mullygrubber (gaz), Saturday, 27 March 2004 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

well you do go on a bit mate

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 27 March 2004 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

In contrast, I am full of love. Except for when there's hate.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 27 March 2004 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I SWEAR THERE WAS FIVE PIES ON THIS TABLE

― Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 27 March 2004 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm now waiting for Sharkie to release "Who took the cookies from the cookie jar?"

― Jedmond (Jedmond), Saturday, 27 March 2004 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

You're always yammerin on about summink.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 27 March 2004 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm gonna ask something really silly...how big are these pies? Are we talking full-size or is there a travel pie that you don't feel too bad about eating more than one of at a time?

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Saturday, 27 March 2004 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

They are kind of hand-sized and they sell them at "soccer" games. they have meat in them and if you eat a lot of them and drink lager also you get fat. Then people sing "who ate all the pies?" at you. It is more fun if you are a goalkeeper or aging striker for a "soccer" team and you do this. Then opposing fans can sing it at you and put you off your game.

So yeah, quite small.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 27 March 2004 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

phew, that's a load off my mind

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Saturday, 27 March 2004 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)

p.s. I assume you mean 'football'

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Saturday, 27 March 2004 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

does this mean that my Ice Rink white label has now become the only 12" in my entire collection that is worth more than a dollar?

― Dave M. (rotten03), Saturday, 27 March 2004 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

congratulations! you picked a winnah!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 27 March 2004 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

the question is: do you sell it immediately?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Saturday, 27 March 2004 04:05 (twenty-two years ago)

ha adam i'm glad you explained that! otherwise i would really have no idea.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 27 March 2004 04:57 (twenty-two years ago)

haha i knew what it was, but i am still imagining them as full sized sweet pies

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 27 March 2004 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, if said striker or goalkeeper is having a good game and performs a particularly skilled piece of football, he can then lift his shirt up showing his belly as a kind of witty riposte to said fans.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 27 March 2004 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

clearly this custom needs to invade our own sporting events.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 27 March 2004 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

You can have Andy Townsend and Ally McCoist as well if you want.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 27 March 2004 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

can they play the basketball?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 27 March 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

If by "basketball" you mean "panel shows", yeah.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 27 March 2004 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Basketball needs more swollen, pale, and pasty bellies in it.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 27 March 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't realize that until now.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 27 March 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

here i come!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 27 March 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

First impression of "Next Level" = The beat is like something Del would've made for Both Sides Of The Brain except, you know, it's good. It even sounds like a beat that would be made for a video game concept track on a trad-rap album too. And Tinchy Strider is NICE, btw. I like his style.

If there was a video for "Pies", it would have to involve a cartoon version of Wiley being chased by a cartoon baker during the chorus. There goes Wiley! It works!

I got those two, the R&B track and the single and yeah, it's sounding pretty rad, I'm probably gonna wait for it to drop before hearing the rest. Can't wait to hear "Doorway", I've always wondered how "Ground Zero" would sound with vocals (only ever found instrumental).

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The Tinchy record will be even better, I feel.

Ruff Sqwad record plz!!!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't wait for the Eski-boy clothing line, it's gonna be jaw-side!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

"we’re rolling deeper now, we always did roll deep but sometimes there’s just some loose ballin’, everyone has a bit of loose balling now and then" - Wiley

I was hoping when he said loose ballin', he would say deep rollin' to complete the circle.

And if Eski-boy makes winter coats, I'm totally in.

These guys are so like Wu-Tang in that they make up their own words and they have their own super innovative sound but I hope they aren't doomed to eventually falling off in a flagrant loss of ability.

That interview was nugshot.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I still can't find this album anywhere on slsk. :(

― minolta (minolta), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm anticipating Who Ate All The Pies? more than any song ever, I think. Please tell me that the chorus is the actual proper "who ate all the pies, who ate all the pies, you fat bastard you fat bastard who ate all the pies?" chant done by Jus' A Rascal-esque cod-operatic choir?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm afraid not. Might be worth holding out for something like that in the future though

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 07:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Who Ate All The Pies (Felix Da Hooligan Fat Bastard Screwed And Chopped Mix)

― Dave M. In Disguise, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 08:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I tell you there's a market for takeaway meat pies in the US, they don't seem to know what they are, I could start a franchise at baseball games and make a fortune.

― mentalist (mentalist), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

WHO ATE ALL THE PIES

THERE GOES WILEY

HE ATE ALL THE PIES

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

about 45 seconds into "problems" wiley turns into Michael Franti

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Andrew, you evil bastard.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone who can't find this on soulseek needs to search for "treddin" instead of "treading"

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

last night as i gluttonously ate a sausage empanada adam's explanation of the pies thing came back to haunt me.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 1 April 2004 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

There goes s1ocki, there goes s1ocki...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 1 April 2004 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Ohhhhhhhhhh FUCK. "Pies". "PIES". Chorus of the YEAR.

So is "Happens For A Reason" supposed to be directed at someone specific? If it is, it has to be the most passive-aggressive dis track ever. "You know I wouldn't hurt you on PUR-pose..."

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 1 April 2004 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"That's what I need" was my favorite track the first time thru and my least favorite the second time through. Interestingly.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 1 April 2004 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I've loved "Happens For A Reason" for time, I'm so glad it's ended up on the album. Is it still all comedy-hour synths?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 1 April 2004 04:49 (twenty-two years ago)

mark p = new greatest person ever. thanks.

― minolta (minolta), Thursday, 1 April 2004 06:44 (twenty-two years ago)

If anyone coming to the pub in London tonight wants to make me a CDR of this I will reward you with booze and sexual favours. Anything you want, I'll do it. Just name it.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 1 April 2004 07:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i can probably do you a copy matt, if no-one else has offered. i'll need to clear some room on my hard drive etc ect but i should have time before coming to the pub.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 1 April 2004 09:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Toby you fucking rock. That is all.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 1 April 2004 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

What is a "t spot"? Or is it "tea spot"?

― Captain Sleep (Captain Sleep), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The best part of "Pies" is obviously "it don't matter if you offer me a pie a few years ago/because now I'm satisfied"

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

The best parts are when Wiley matter-of-factly says "Hungry. Starving. Wanna eat food", and it doesn't fit or rhyme with anything; and the neverending sequence of lines ending with the words "on the road".

― Captain Sleep (Captain Sleep), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I like where he goes through various achievements and then says "THAT'S A PIE".

Not going to college today, THAT'S A PIE.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I so want to hearthis now.

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 08:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris can you do the mp3 thing? I can put it on Gr--- files probably.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Wiley Pies

― Captain Sleep (Captain Sleep), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

not really, especially not at work and the download time at home would be .... well obscene

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

aaarrgghh she's stalking me!!!

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)

The best bit in Pies is where Wiley goes "to the man who don't like me, to the women who don't like me, that's cool - I'm bigger now!"

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, that's genius. Actually, it's weird, by the end of the Dizzee album you're not sure whether to love him, hate him, pity him, fear for him or all of the above - with Wiley you just want to take him down the pub and talk about girls.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i love how in some of the instrumentals you can hear things like the needle scraping against the grooves in "Ice Rink" and the crackle at the end of "Avalanche" ... it feels very DIY ^_^

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

like he ripped them from his personal white label copies, or something

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

t spark is a car

― ''''', Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I think with dizzee it was easy to love or hate aftre one listen, Wiley is gonna take sometime.

''On a couple of the songs Wiley reminds me of Mike Skinner in terms of both delivery and lyrics - the ones where he's larking around, where he probably sounds most British ("Goin' Mad" and "Pies"). His voice is really compelling over a whole album - it's kind of underwhelming at first esp. compared to MCs with really distinctive flows like Dizzee and Lady Fury, but there's this kind of laconic, understated refusal to be all hysterical which I like. There might be a comparison to Tricky in there somewhere.''

there is a far more nervy, paranoid tick to tricky's vocals.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)

When Wiley says the 'That's a pie' sequence, I always think of the Simpsons where Grandpa Simpson says 'that's a paddlin'' all the time. it gets a giggle out of me.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Everyone who likes this come this way, everyone who likes that go that way.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

That was actually Jasper with the paddlin'. But now you have me imagining Jasper as a grime MC and I'm all "jeez argh".

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

haha rollie between that and the young gunz review, i take back anything bad i might have once said about you

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

wiley is mad dont knock him, dizzee sux

wiley has the true english accent

ur all gay

get some friends

― Doctor Xela, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 06:59 (twenty-one years ago)

"i think the big difference between this and boy in da corner is that i don't feel like i have anything to say about it - i can't imagine it inspiring writers to such sociological malarkey highs/lows - but i have a feeling i will play it twice as much for pleasure as dizzee's.

-- strongo hulkington (dubplatestyl...), March 26th, 2004."

i totally disagree about this. i wrote a piece about him for Touch and his biog for XL and i had the same "head caving in under weight of ideas" when trying to structure them.

the difference is wiley is so much more than this record, whereas dizzee was a hotshot who got into the studio with Cage quicksmart.

― martin (martin), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm glad you disagree with my personal feelings about my listening habits, martin!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Big up Wiley for Giving UK grime or eski a chance

― Cluboi, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

it wasnt so much your listening habits strongo it was how you "can't imagine it inspiring writers."

cos he inspires me.

― martin (martin), Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

*sniff*

(cage?)

wiley may be the og grime progenitor and dizzee more removed in comparison but can you really say you won't be repeating the same contexts that dizzcrit already has? unless u were to take the snoozy "my gran chucked me out" inspirational angle of course

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i like the Wiley album loads but i think strongo is right, it's harder to get all worked up about the sociological significance of it (and thank god for that!) a) Dizzee got to market first b) Dizzee's lyrics have a lot more depth c) Dizzee is a lot more conflicted as a persona. As others have noted Wiley is more like a geezer down the pub, seems like a charming bloke and all but that's as far as it goes. To stretch an already over-stretched metaphor, if Dizzee is Tupac he is Method Man.

― bugged out, Thursday, 8 April 2004 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i dont agree with b) or c), well not if we're saying "depth" sincerely anyway, tho i will cede that wiley's lp is prob a more organic truer represention of what eski hath wrought. wiley's is v significant i'm sure, but it would still be too churlish to say that ppl's socio stretches over dizz were jumping the gun or anything

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

we are all geezers down the pub every one of us

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

weren't you the one complaining about how wiley would use dizzee's success as a platform to launch his own crappy career from or something???

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

what'll ye have
d-ee: moet moet
is he serious?
j-me: ... no

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

lock this thread

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

haha did i say that? i dont remember. maybe the cover and typeface has warmed my heart, i can still take or leave wiley personally really. (the platform is still there obv but it seems normal, the link's not from wiley's side of things)

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i am not a geezer down the pub. fuck pubs. fuck geezers too, come to think of it.

― bugged out, Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't remember, I am nearly sure it was you though!

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

and yes, i am saying "depth" sincerely. shocking!

― bugged out, Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Give me a BAR any day of the week! ;)

― bugged out, Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

mother bar for you i expect o great one

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

(pubs is cool, they only suck when they are used as proof of everyman credentials to shoot down hyperbrights)

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.n64gamer.com/pictures/enemies/mother_brain_nes.gif

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

pickled brain with that pie luv?

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry i'm dyslexic

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

gelid eel!! a few more puns and i can rvw this without hearing i reckon

shystie to play samus in east end epic metroid: prime steak pie

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i've been trying to think up a good shark major as super mario joke for about five minutes now

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 April 2004 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

this ain't a game

er... shark majora's mask?

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

jeez and that was 20 minutes of hard thought

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

bravo

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 April 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

>wiley may be the og grime progenitor and dizzee more removed in comparison but can you really say you won't be repeating the same contexts that dizzcrit already has? unless u were to take the snoozy "my gran chucked me out" inspirational angle of >course

>-- prima fassy (giaou...), April 8th, 2004.

i was the first person to write the "gran chucked me out" angle so i'll take that angle as and when, thanks.

> c) Dizzee is a lot more conflicted as a persona. As others have noted Wiley is more like a geezer down the pub, seems like a charming bloke and all but that's as far as it goes.

>-- bugged out (bu...), April 8th, 2004.

i said it above but it still holds: wiley is more than his album. just because wiley seems "nicer" on his CD dont be fooled. i'd say he's just as conflicted a person. he's very complex to interview as events change, stories change - everything in his life is very hard to pin down. his life, his truths and values are very fluid sometimes which makes interviewing him all the more complex and his persona just as conflicted. just because he sounds composed on his album, don't be fooled.

― martin (martin), Thursday, 8 April 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

well frankly i dont really give a fuck about his life, just his album.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 April 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean, when he rings me up to ask me about how my move went or if i've found a job yet, then maybe.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 April 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

pick ur self up...

― martin (martin), Thursday, 8 April 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

hence why i have been really enjoying this album!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 April 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

he's like my own personal self-help guru

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 April 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

but the pies.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 April 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

the pies will always get me in the end

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 April 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, he's destroyed my life. I spent all Monday afternoon looking for a meat pie because he reminded me how good they are.

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 8 April 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

idea stolen down the pub just now: wiley's predecessors = billie (because we want to) and carter...

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 8 April 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

i love that there are two threads being spun here, sometimes almost an update of the R&B-esque 2-step and the reallllly early mc garage that got sidelined (especially when Tinchy comes in ... that's what i realized i liked about him -- his enthusiastic tone, like one of the Heartless Crew), other times it sounds like it should be soundtracking Metroid. i don't know if the synths just sound that way because of the software or whatever, but they really strike a chord with me.

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Friday, 9 April 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

"i was the first person to write the "gran chucked me out" angle so i'll take that angle as and when, thanks"

oooo burn! so what, i 'invented' the conflicted grimerapper angle, and postdizz now that's corny too actually! so er... hey i know, devil mixes etc, make out like he's the new lee perry! astounding, it worked for rza huh!! ps don't be fooled

― prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 9 April 2004 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i met wiley in uptown records once and he tried to explain to me how timbaland/magoo 'indian flute' was a future classic, i told him to get juelz santana 'down' instead but he couldn't concentrate on anything, you know that sort of annoying selfabsorbed higher level flittyness that heavy weed dudes have? yeah

― prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 9 April 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I met Wiley in '98. I told him, "don't do it that way, you'll never sell a record."

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 9 April 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 9 April 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

your b-side is better

― prima_fassy (mwah), Friday, 9 April 2004 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Wot Do U Call It? has charted (in the UK) at number 31...

― JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

dizzee announced on friday that his new album is coming out in july.

― Chris Houghton (chrish), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)

wow. that will determine his fate, no doubt.

luv the wiley album. there hasn't been much talk abouit his sounds on this thread. i'm surprised that the hataz haven't come up with the usual preset disses. anyway, it's damn effective, very musical and stripped-down, but how innovative is it, really?

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Monday, 19 April 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

It has a track about pies -> It is our generations Trout Mask Replica (possibly even Village Green Preservation Society)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 19 April 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

the pie track is fantastic

― chris (chris), Monday, 19 April 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

As, Wiley is popular on ILM: News Alert:

Wiley is on Xposure show with John Kennedy for a chat - NOW - tune in online:

Xfm
http://www.xfm.co.uk

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

For the most part, Treddin' on Thin Ice suffers from the same navel-gazing isolationism that afflicts most UK garage, according to the Independent reviewer, who gives it two stars out of five.

― JoB (JoB), Saturday, 1 May 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha "navel-gazing isolationism"!!! Now, it's one thing to just assume that Dizzee Rascal is totally representative of all grime ever, but it's quite another to do so while pretending to have some authority on the matter.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 1 May 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd forgotten that Andy Gill existed. He used to make me so so angry back in the day. Grrr.

― The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 1 May 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha "navel-gazing isolationism"!!!

Wiley is secretly a front for Techno Animal! Oh that wacky Kevin Martin...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 May 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...

Hey, when does this album come out for regular people? Release date? I'm not in the UK.

― Debito (Debito), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 08:49 (twenty-one years ago)

It's already out in the UK, don't know about anywhere else.

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=1968

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Release date in rest of Europe (Benelux at least) same as UK release date.

― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Just wanted to say that I love this album.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 24 May 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Good.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 24 May 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

So do I

― Keith McD, Monday, 24 May 2004 04:26 (twenty-one years ago)

there are more thoughts on my blog now.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i would post my voice review, but i'm not very happy with it.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 May 2004 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Rumour has Roc-a-Fella chasing Wiley. This is from quite a reliable source. The reliability of Damon Dash, on the other hand, I wouldn't know about.

― JoB (JoB), Monday, 24 May 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it's a fab record and i've written nothing about it, not even here. it's actually really nice to like a record this much, leave it the fuck alone and just enjoy it for myself for once. that's all i'm saying.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 24 May 2004 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

It was nice, I enjoyed it more consistently than the Dizzee Rascal, though at the same time Boy in the Corner had more variety musically to my ears.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 May 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I just say that a Tinchy/Ruff Sqwad album would probably rule? Tx.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 24 May 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

I finally dled this and have been listening to it quite a bit. Otherwise I have nothing to add. Do wish I had some other grime to compare it to though. Someone smart say something.

― artdamages (artdamages), Saturday, 26 June 2004 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

i can't listen to the whole thing but i like it.

― gaz (gaz), Saturday, 26 June 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I often hear people say that they can't listen to the whole thing about Dizzee too. I can listen to the whole thing, but I understand where you're coming from.

Anyways, I finally got this, and I freaking love it.

― Debito (Debito), Saturday, 26 June 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought it on double vinyl for some reason and haven't really bothered to listen to it properly, nor as an 'album'. But. I do love 'Next Level' alot, and learnt Tinchey Stryder's verse after my first listen. His voice has changed alot since those 'ice rink' days.

― scg, Saturday, 26 June 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it is still somewhat quietly great. What has the reception in the UK been like?

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Saturday, 26 June 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Pretty much just a token hipster hit i think, though it's quite popular amongst UK hip hop dudes that i know.

― scg, Saturday, 26 June 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

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