100. The Byrds - "Get To You"
― Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― hmmm (hmmm), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― M Carty (mj_c), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 07:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― bham, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:29 (twenty-one years ago)
97: diamonds and gold - Tom Waits
― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Super-Kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Flotsam of the Fishfolk (Flotsam of the Fishfolk), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)
Quality records, methinks.
― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)
our brian kisses goodbye 2 the hard stuff but writes about doing so as if he were saying goodbye to a lover.
― piscesboy, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)
Actually, a few of the Blur-esque farting fairground type ones Charlie talks about were pretty piss poor.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)
83. "Innocent When You Dream" - Tom Waits
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)
81: Manic Depression - Jimi Hendrix
― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)
and Kanye has one, but I'm too lazy to check it right now
― dr. phil (josh langhoff), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― dr. phil (josh langhoff), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Super-Kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)
It's three bars of 3/4 and one of 4/4 per verse, innit?
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)
71 - James Brown, "It's a Man's Man's Man's World"
― Joseph McCombs, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)
predictable enough?
― umop apisdn (umop apisdn), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― mms (mms), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)
Anyway, 56. A Minor Forest - ...But the Pants Stay On
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)
54. Eno - Back In Judy's Jungle
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rush Rhees (Rush Rhees), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― Joseph McCombs, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jamie Fake (the pirate king), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― dave q, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Atnevon (Atnevon), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nice Pete, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)
(...30. it should be, perhaps? for Alex fired in, attention span-lessly, Stranglers' "Golden Brown" that had already been mentioned upthread)
― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)
29. Kantner/Slick/Freiberg, "Harp Tree Lament" (my favorite Robert Hunter lyric)
― Joseph McCombs, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― mei (mei), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)
21. Elvis Costello - "Sunday's Best"
― Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― not Graham (Inuuu), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 6 May 2004 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 6 May 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 6 May 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Thursday, 6 May 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 6 May 2004 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 6 May 2004 06:24 (twenty-one years ago)
probably my favourite bit of music to be released last year.
― dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 6 May 2004 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Joseph McCombs, Thursday, 6 May 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)
*OK, maybe not.
― Barima (Barima), Thursday, 6 May 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)
Speaking of the BBs, I'm listening right now, on a sunny day filled with my doin' mostly nothin', to the great "Busy Doin' Nothin'" and it's really a modified bossa nova--I count it in 2/2, not 4/4...classic bossa time signature...
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 6 May 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― Roberton, Thursday, 6 May 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dr. Annabel Lies (Michael Kelly), Thursday, 6 May 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ben Dot (1977), Thursday, 6 May 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Thursday, 6 May 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 6 May 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)
hehe.
― Kent Burt (lingereffect), Friday, 7 May 2004 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 7 May 2004 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 7 May 2004 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)
Moose - I'll See You In My Dreams
― rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 7 May 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Scotto (Scotto), Saturday, 8 May 2004 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)
Well, not exactly. Bossas and sambas are in 2, not 4. If you count bossas--including "Busy Doin'"--in 4, it becomes a fast 4/8, or 8/8, not 4/4. You can hear the "boom" of the 1 and 2 in "Busy" quite clearly. You're right about it being, at times, a convenience, but in bossa nova it's just the way the music is structured. "Waters of March" by Jobim is notable as one of his few songs that are actually in 4/4.
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 8 May 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)
We can make room for it by getting rid of "Kiss From a Rose" and "How Can I Be Sure" (and maybe more), which are in 6/8, not 3/4.
― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)
― tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 4 June 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)
This song isn't in 3/4, so:
Beach Boys - Friends
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Saturday, 4 June 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Saturday, 4 June 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)
Nat King Cole: "It's All in the Game"
― Burr (Burr), Saturday, 4 June 2005 03:51 (twenty years ago)
― ross tinney, Saturday, 4 June 2005 08:03 (twenty years ago)
― ross tinney, Saturday, 4 June 2005 08:07 (twenty years ago)
― Keith C (kcraw916), Saturday, 4 June 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)
― Negativa, True Believer (You know you love it when I'm dressed in drag) (Barima), Saturday, 4 June 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)
― Negativa, True Believer (You know you love it when I'm dressed in drag) (Barima), Saturday, 4 June 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 4 June 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)
― The Cuddly Cactus, Saturday, 4 June 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)
"The Whole World" does not have a time signature change, and I'm positive that it's in 4/4 throughout the whole song, but it's 4/4 with a swing feel that makes it feel like a sped-up 3/4 measure appears in every beat of the song.
There's a small amount of modern rock bands who owe their success to 3/4 and 6/8 time, including A Perfect Circle ("Judith," "Three Libras"), Chevelle ("The Red," "Closure") and AFI ("Silver And Cold").
Weezer has a decent amount of high-quality 3/4 and 6/8 tracks, including "No Other One," "Devotion," "Waiting On You," and the Rentals' "Naive." (The aforementioned "Holiday" appears to be in 4/4.)
― billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 4 June 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Saturday, 4 June 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)
― The plastic yoghurt guns of Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 4 June 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)
My favorite waltzes of all time are Randy Newman's theme to Ragtime and "I Dreamt I Dwelt in Marble Halls" by M. W. Balfe (slaughtered by Enya in The Age of Innocence, but still one of my all-time favorite songs...)
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)
― jeri curlan, Sunday, 5 June 2005 06:13 (twenty years ago)
― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Sunday, 5 June 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)
!
― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Sunday, 5 June 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)
― Negativa, True Believer (You know you love it when I'm dressed in drag) (Barima), Sunday, 5 June 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)
Pavement, "Stop Breathin'"Death Cab for Cutie, "No Joy in Mudville"Stereolab, "Pop Quiz"High Llamas, "Three Point Scrabble"Clem Snide, "Your Night to Shine"Beck, "Dead Melodies"Blonde Redhead, "Loved Despite of Great Faults"Rachel's, "The Mysterious Disappearance of Louis LePrince"Ben Folds Five, "Boxing"Black Heart Procession, "The Invitation"Nick Drake, "Saturday Sun"Pullman, "Lysayna"Badly Drawn Boy, "Stone on the Water"
― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 5 June 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)
― Keith C (kcraw916), Sunday, 5 June 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)
"Perpetual Change" by Yes (on the live Yessongs album) has a great middle bit jam in 3/4 time. Bruford drumming. I steal that.
"Unquiet Slumbers for the Sleepers in That Quiet Earth" has a very nice, long drawn early section in 3/4 time. Phil Collins has a cool beat going on there.
there are others
― FlametopFred, Friday, 6 June 2008 19:04 (seventeen years ago)
In response to some posts a bit higher up, the Beatles did 3/4 for a few other tracks. Baby's in Black, You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, I Me Mine (on verses), She's Leaving Home. Probably some others. I don't know if I'd put any of them on a 100-best list, though.
As for Blur, for some reason the only one coming to mind is the Parklife b-side Theme From an Imaginary Film.
So my only contribution to the list for the time being is Elliott Smith - Between the Bars.
― asey, Sunday, 8 June 2008 14:38 (seventeen years ago)
(The aforementioned "Holiday" appears to be in 4/4.)
Holiday is 12/8.
You've Got to Hide Your Love Away is 6/8. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is 3/4.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Sunday, 8 June 2008 15:14 (seventeen years ago)
Black Sabbath-War Pigs (the intro)
― Bill Magill, Monday, 9 June 2008 16:40 (seventeen years ago)
Replace with "No Other One."
― billstevejim, Monday, 9 June 2008 18:53 (seventeen years ago)
"No Other One" is true 3/4 time throughout. The rest are 6/8.
― billstevejim, Monday, 9 June 2008 18:59 (seventeen years ago)
Can't believe nobody's mentioned the best cheesy waltz pop song: Tom Jones - What's New, Pussycat
― sparkletuna, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 12:37 (seventeen years ago)
'This Boy' - The Beatles
― BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 13:04 (seventeen years ago)
Also, is there any hip-hop in 3/4?
Was that rap in the Adams Family movie in 6/8 or something? "do what they wanna do say what they wanna say"
― RabiesAngentleman, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 13:19 (seventeen years ago)
That's 12/8.
3/4 = ONE and two and three and 6/8 = ONE two three TWO two three 12/8 = ONE two three TWO two three THREE two three FOUR two three
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 14:40 (seventeen years ago)
and 9/8 = ONE two three two two three three two three
Simple time signatures have beats that get broken into two parts, compound time signatures have beats that are broken into three parts. The basic beat in 3/4 is the quarter note, the basic beat in 6/8, 9/8, and 12/8 is the dotted quarter. 3/4 is simple triple (three quarter notes), 6/8 is compound duple (two dotted quarters), 9/8 is compound triple (three dotted quarters), 12/8 is compound quadruple (four dotted quarters).
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 14:45 (seventeen years ago)
I turned my monitor upside down and tried reading that again and it still sounded like someone threw the silverware drawer down the steps.
― RabiesAngentleman, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 14:57 (seventeen years ago)
6/8 = ONE two three TWO two three 12/8 = ONE two three TWO two three THREE two three FOUR two three
so wait, what's the difference between 12/8 and just going 'ONE two three TWO two three ONE two three TWO two three'? HOW CAN YOU TELL, aside from actually looking at the written music?
― asey, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 12:48 (seventeen years ago)
Radiohead have a couple - Subterranean Homesick Alien and Nude, maybe more.
― chap, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 12:58 (seventeen years ago)
12/8 and 6/8 sound a lot alike, depends on where you draw the bar line in the written music, like you said. In fact, most people would say "This Boy" is 6/8, not 12/8.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 13:53 (seventeen years ago)
My text rendering of the time signatures didn't quite do them justice -- the difference between 6/8 and 12/8 is like the difference between 2/4 and 4/4. The former has two beats, strong and weak. The latter has four beats, strong, weak, medium, and weak. 12/8 is the typical meter for doo-wop music. I don't have a recording of This Boy handy, but in my Beatles book it's notated in 12/8.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 15:18 (seventeen years ago)
Beach Boys - Let the Wind Blow Beatles - Baby's in Black Nilsson - 1941 Stereolab - One Small Step XTC - 1000 Umbrellas
― mumpsimus, Monday, 16 June 2008 04:43 (seventeen years ago)
A 1/3 of Give It To You - Jordan Knight would qualify here. -- Barima (Barima), Tuesday, May 4, 2004 11:55 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link
Seconded
― Tape Store, Monday, 16 June 2008 05:48 (seventeen years ago)
Mull of Kintyre- WingsI actually learned to waltz to this one.
― JesseJane, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 08:55 (fifteen years ago)
Sea Song by Doves
― alternative ballroom, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 03:44 (fifteen years ago)
The Beach Boys: Disney GirlsWeezer: My Name Is JonasThe Corrs: RunawayThe Eagles: Hollywood WaltzRazorlight: Los Angeles Waltz
― jorgybear, Saturday, 11 September 2010 14:18 (fifteen years ago)
'Waltz' by the Mekons, from The Curse Of The Mekons, is fantastic. If you don't know it, go listen to it right now. I am sure you will not regret it. Plus, Sally Timms sings it, beautifully.
― Fruitless and Pansy Free (Dr. Joseph A. Ofalt), Sunday, 12 September 2010 00:25 (fifteen years ago)
Fever Ray "I'm Not Done"
― Doctor Madame Frances Experimento LLC (SNM), Sunday, 12 September 2010 08:49 (fifteen years ago)
Tom Waits, "Another Man's Vine"
― Flergblergtennis (aog208), Sunday, 12 September 2010 13:16 (fifteen years ago)
A really good one to waltz to is Open Arms, Journey and don't forget more Eagles: Saturday Night and Pretty Maid all in a Row. There are many country waltzs. I especially like, A woman has her way by Clint Black and When Love Finds you by vince Gill. Anyone interested in ballroom dancing to mank of the pop/rock hits mentioned above check out ballroombythebay.com A ballroom dance every Wed. at 7:00 p.m. in Santa Monica. For more info you can email ballroombythe✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧ Check it out! It's a lively group of friendly dancers and a dance lesson is included with the $10. admission. Tell them Rita sent you.
― rosareetie, Saturday, 22 January 2011 17:30 (fifteen years ago)
Cass McCombs- You Saved My Life
― ridiculoud (mizzell), Saturday, 22 January 2011 17:31 (fifteen years ago)
that's.......ballroombythe✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧
― rosareetie, Saturday, 22 January 2011 17:33 (fifteen years ago)
those diamonds are very pretty, rosareetie.
― the loneliness of the dexys midnight runner (unregistered), Saturday, 22 January 2011 18:15 (fifteen years ago)
50 A bunch of songs bu Calexico ('Sunken Waltz')
^ love this
― busytits (rip van wanko), Saturday, 22 January 2011 18:23 (fifteen years ago)
Drive-by Truckers - The President's Penis is Missing
― Kerm, Saturday, 22 January 2011 18:41 (fifteen years ago)
Better late than never:Sofa by Frank Zappa. A rousing waltz.
― bravenewmalden, Monday, 16 March 2015 11:52 (ten years ago)
<3 waltz time
apparently Jason Isbell does too bc:• Drive-By Truckers, "Outfit"• Jason Isbell, "Cover Me Up"
and also The National bc:• "Vanderlyle Crybaby Geeks"• Carin at the Liquor Store"
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 05:43 (six years ago)
One Crowded Hour by Augie March in, I think, 6/8. Magnificent song.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 January 2020 09:22 (six years ago)
R.E.M. - Try Not to Breathe
― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Thursday, 16 January 2020 14:28 (six years ago)
^^ so good
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:55 (six years ago)
Surprised no one mentioned “Take This Waltz” by Leonard Cohen. I also have a soft spot for Billy Joel’s “Piano Man”.
― o. nate, Thursday, 16 January 2020 22:05 (six years ago)
America by Simon and Garfunkel.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Friday, 17 January 2020 08:19 (six years ago)
Surprised no one mentioned “Take This Waltz” by Leonard Cohen
It was mentioned, in 2005
― van dyke parks generator (anagram), Friday, 17 January 2020 08:31 (six years ago)
One, Two, Three and then a ROCK!!
― Mark G, Friday, 17 January 2020 12:23 (six years ago)
No mention of the Banshees' Melt, although it is more like 6/8
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:11 (six years ago)
Magazine, The Great Beautician in the Sky, verse sections are in 3/4, chorus in 4/4
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:15 (six years ago)
Isn’t the chorus of “Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds “ also 4/4? Someone mentioned it up thread.
― o. nate, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:17 (six years ago)
Beatles - I, Me, Mine
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 18 January 2020 13:56 (six years ago)
Van Morrison - The Way Young Lovers Do (ok, prob 6/8 again)
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 18 January 2020 13:57 (six years ago)
"Has he got a friend for me"
― thomasintrouble, Saturday, 18 January 2020 16:08 (six years ago)
Donovan - "Catch the Wind". "Norwegian Wood" is probably the best but it was nominated in the second post.
"Piano Man" and "Try Not to Breathe" are in 12/8 imo.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 00:20 (six years ago)
Ha, online sheet music seems to transcribe "Piano Man" in either 3/4 or 6/8 so. I can see how 6/8 makes sense but the drum beat doesn't support counting it in 3/4 imo.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 00:27 (six years ago)
Thread title says waltz time. I'm using the more expansive definition of waltz time as any triple meter.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:12 (six years ago)
At least in standard classical theory, 6/8 = (compound) duple metre; 12/8 = (compound) quadruple metre.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:38 (six years ago)
I'm using the more expansive definition of triple meter as any meter with a waltz feel.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:43 (six years ago)
"Try Not to Breathe" (is) in 12/8 imo.This article on the song suggests it may actually be 6/8:
The waltzing instrumental returned for the 1992 demo and recording sessions for Automatic, some of which took place at Woodstock, N.Y.’s Bearsville Sound Studios. At that point, the song was nicknamed “6/8 Sailor” for its time signature, then was marked “Passion” when the final touches were added at Bad Animals in Seattle.Read More: Michael Stipe Explores Life’s Last Moments with ‘Try Not to Breathe’: The Story Behind Every ‘Automatic for the People' Song | https://diffuser.fm/rem-try-not-to-breathe/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:45 (six years ago)
(sorry, don’t know that extra junk came along with the paragraph I pasted.)
― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:46 (six years ago)
I mean isn't "Norwegian Wood" more 6/8 too? I wouldn't be suprised if a lot of pop/rock songs with a waltz feel are 6/8 rather than 3/4.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:47 (six years ago)
Apparently the official sheet music of "Norwegian Wood" has 12/8, and "Piano Man"'s has 3/4. I rest my case!
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:54 (six years ago)
The beat and phrasing in "Try Not to Breathe" suggest groupings of 4 to me but duple vs quadruple can get blurry with pop music.
I agree that 6/8 works with the phrasing of "Norwegian Wood", and I'm pretty sure I've actually used it as an example of 6/8 previously. I think I would still object to identifying a waltz feel in anything with an obvious backbeat.
xp
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:55 (six years ago)
Where did you find the official sheet music?
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:58 (six years ago)
Well, just looking at the first page of the most reputable looking sheet music that came up on the first page of Google results, with official looking copyright etc. I admit this may not be the dispositive finding.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:00 (six years ago)
Even the 'scores' that get registered with copyright offices are often after-the-fact, sometimes sketched-out transcriptions and are not necessarily dispositive tbh. The Donovan song is actually one of the only rock-era songs I can think of that feels to be inarguably in triple metre to me, not counting songs with 3/4 passages juxtaposed with other metres (Rush - Limelight, Sonic Youth - Pipeline/Kill Time). "Get to You" is mostly 5/4, surely, except for the bridge.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:08 (six years ago)
"Cloudbusting" another example of a song that moves between 4 and 3.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:09 (six years ago)
I just noticed that the Byrds song I nominated in the first post all those years ago is actually 5/4 much of the time, only moving to 3/4 in certain sections. LOL. (Arguably making it *more* noteworthy, but not so great as an opening post re 3/4.)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:17 (six years ago)
Haha XP!!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:20 (six years ago)
xxxp I get you on the fuzziness of sheet music in this context. The canonical text for rock/pop is the recording, and different people can interpret it differently. Heck probably even different musicians who played on it interpreted it differently (such as the drummer vs the singer or guitarist).
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:32 (six years ago)
yeah most triple meter rock songs are in 6/8 (or use a shuffle beat in 12/8 a la everybody wants to rule the world or never tear us apart). 3/4 time is less driving, it can feel a little stilted in a rock context. 6/8 swings, sounds great in power ballads (we are the champions, nothing else matters)
― culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:27 (six years ago)
actually never tear us apart is def 6/8 isn't it?
― culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:28 (six years ago)
I'd definitely say 12/8. The chords change once every twelve eighth notes (four beats), the melodic phrases are built around the 12 (or 4) groupings, the guitar plays at the beginning of each grouping of 12 when it enters.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:44 (six years ago)
When there is a standard rock backbeat that would be analysed as 4/4 at any other time, it generally seems most logical/natural to me to continue counting it as quadruple metre even if it is subdivided into triplets, so I tend to default to 12/8 in these situations unless there is a really compelling reason to count 6/8.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:49 (six years ago)
Neil Young's "Only Love Can Break Your Heart" feels like an actual triple metre to me: the drums are actually playing groups of 3, the chords change once every three beats. Agree with "Manic Depression" upthread as well.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:59 (six years ago)
The canonical text for rock/pop is the recording, and different people can interpret it differently. Heck probably even different musicians who played on it interpreted it differently (such as the drummer vs the singer or guitarist).
(I agree with this 100%, to be clear. Obv there are wrong interpretations but there can definitely be multiple credible interpretations.)
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 05:02 (six years ago)
"Cloudbusting" moves between 4/4 and 6/4, sorry. Remembered wrong.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 05:12 (six years ago)