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this is the most twisted carnival music ever.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 11:55 (twenty years ago) link

this is the one on monitor, by the way.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 11:58 (twenty years ago) link

I want that shit, like NOW!

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 13:46 (twenty years ago) link

this is the most twisted carnival music ever.

you sound like the burn-outs in my high school when the first mr. bungle came out.

Please say this sounds NOTHING like mr. bungle.

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 13:48 (twenty years ago) link

sure it does! yay!

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 13:49 (twenty years ago) link

I hate you.

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

i'll remember that when you try and come over my house and put this on your ipod.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

sounds good.

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 14:07 (twenty years ago) link

So is it more like Mr Bungle or Don Cab?

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 6 May 2004 14:12 (twenty years ago) link

the keyboards are very carnival-esque, but it really doesn't sound like bungle at all.

there are three guitars with a lot of digital delay sampling, which makes it sound a little like the guitar work on american don.

then there is john stanier throwing very weird, off-kilter beats over the top of everything. nothing like damon che.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

I've been soo exited about this, just my luck im completely skint at the moment.

I've got a shitload of boots of their live shows and that horrible 'sampler' thing they put on on the monitor site.

I'd always wished Don Cab would get rid of the horrible 'look at me' drums, Damon is amazing but half the time I hate what he's doing, even if it is technically amazing and I hate his tone.

From the boots this is exactly what i've wanted, Don Cab, but with BEATS, occasional keyboards and the odd "exiting bit" (beatboxing, minimal repetitive drums). Is it the same Braxton dude that does all the weird messed up sound/vocals electronic stuff?

Been a bit disapointed with some of the stuff I've heard tho, songs are too long and all sound quite samey, the sort of music you have to sit through the crap to find the 'real shit'.

― TomB (TomB), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:28 (twenty years ago) link

hahaha Mr. Bungle.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, it's the same tyondai braxton, son of anthony braxton. his presence isn't HUGE in battles, although he DOES beatbox.

ian williams is the frontman!

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago) link

When I saw them they were sharing the stage pretty much.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago) link

there is a certain Led Zep quality to Stanier's drumming for Battles which I think makes the band even that much more interesting.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

I could really do without all the Beatboxing, it's gimicky and stupid.

Tyondai is Ian's Bitch. Battles is the band Don Cab would have been if Damon wasn't so....Damon.

Hstencil OTM, Stainer hits really hard like Bonham, but Stainer does way more off time/weird shit...Bonzo was straight up meat and potatoes.

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, he's like a more groove-oriented (god what a dumb sounding phrase) Bonham.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

hstencil, you working as program director of a smooth jazz station now?

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

up next after the break, more smooth sounds!

*cue station ID*
*cue Metamucil commercial*

Now we're back, here's a little Steely Dan for ya...

*cue "Deacon Blues"*

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

TYONDAI > IAN

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:56 (twenty years ago) link

links please to purveyors?

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago) link

STAINER>>>IAN>>>THAT DUDE FROM LYNX>>>>DONKEY BALLS>>>>TYONDAI

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:00 (twenty years ago) link

If you go to bttls.com and then go to links, they link to the record companies that are putting out their stuff.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.umass.edu/rso/aepi/pledge%20names/donkeylips.jpg

DONKEY LIPS>>>STAINER>>>IAN>>>THAT DUDE FROM LYNX>>>>DONKEY BALLS>>>>TYONDAI

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

dude it is really unfair to put donkey balls > Tyondai. He seems like a nice guy to me.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

All I know is that Ian hides behind other musicians while Tyondai is self-contained and flawless.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

did you read that on Pitchfork?

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

You've got better comebacks than that, no?

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:08 (twenty years ago) link

no, not really.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I was trying to be nice.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago) link

tyondai is the nicest out of all of them.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago) link

or he looks that way at least. people with afros are non-threatening.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:12 (twenty years ago) link

Tyondai is SUPER nice...but I can't put super nice on my iPod.

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:12 (twenty years ago) link

and you can't put this EP on either.. holler

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

You could put his music on your iPod perhaps? Unless of course you only want to put a person's qualities on your iPod in which case no, you cannot do that.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

can you put donkey balls on your iPod?

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

yes, it's right after depeche mode on ddb's pod

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:14 (twenty years ago) link

no Dinosaur on his iPod? I find that hard to believe.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:14 (twenty years ago) link

actually don caballero -> donkey balls

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

Donkey Balls on the other hand...fit right between Don Caballero & Drive Like Jehu on the iPod.

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

everything in its proper place.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

you guys are dicks..i feel like cole did when i usurped his ebay joke.

fuck!

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

That's a sad story, guy.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

the tras ep is coming out on coup de grace

http://coupdegrace.tv/

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago) link

sadly, I have more depeche Mode than dinosaur on my iPod...I need a beer.

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago) link

I hate when people call me/anyone "guy"...take it back Dean!!!

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

there's your problem right there. ;-O

― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

BRO-SKI

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

< pun>COLE COMES UP FROM BEHIND!!!< /pun>

ZING and ZING!

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:20 (twenty years ago) link

donkey lips > tyondai > ian > me > "guy" > you

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:20 (twenty years ago) link

so, who likes Battles?

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

ZUNG AGAIN.

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

dean wrote.. donkey lips

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

personally, i like braxton's solo album and his split thingy with parts & labor. but then there's no accounting for my bad taste.

― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

I like his stuff on the split too...I just think there is a lot of clutter with battles, and I'm looking at Braxton.

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago) link

no, the clutter = 3 guitars, no bass player. HELLOW LOW ENDW.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.profiboksz.hu/genesis/portrek/braxton.jpg

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:24 (twenty years ago) link

aw, i see -- how what he does fits into the Battles (who I have never heard, mind you).

― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:24 (twenty years ago) link

He is a fighter.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago) link

he is like a mirror to ian williams, they are on guitar and keyboards together. then:

he beatboxes

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago) link

kid's got heart.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

it's actually beatbox SCATTING

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:28 (twenty years ago) link

tyondai is extremely nice. and a complete gentleman! he took his friendster profile down though.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

I will paypal anyone $1...if they can tell me what Dwight Braxton is saying up thurrr in that picture.

I took my friendster profile down too!!

YAY! TOYONDAI!

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

he's saying HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:30 (twenty years ago) link

dude ddb why'd you take your profile down, you had the best bulletins?!?!?

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:30 (twenty years ago) link

he still has a secret one

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

bitch!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, ddb, not you cutty.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

too many bitches...too many bitches!

OH!! thats what Dwight Braxton is saying...I will paypal myself!!!

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

that's ok, i'll see your ass in burritoville. bitch.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

hahahaha I'm going to Burritoville in about 30 minutes. See you there.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

I'll be on the lookout for bitches.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link

some people say that there's guacamole to blame
but i know
it's my own damn fault

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, get the Veg. Sloppy Joe Burrito...it's the BOOOOOMMMMBBBB!!!

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:38 (twenty years ago) link

ass bomb, more like.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

or maybe SOY BOMB!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

it gave me the farts something AWFUL on monday

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

truth!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

I say we take this over to the SKINNY PUPPY thread.

― ddb, Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:41 (twenty years ago) link

fake sloppy joes are deelish. this is the best thread ever.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

the bro-down has ended!

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

y'all are some real he-men, for sure.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:45 (twenty years ago) link

(!!!)

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:47 (twenty years ago) link

hahahahahahahaha I sure don't wanna talk about any SOY BOMBs with girls around, no sir.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:48 (twenty years ago) link

WOMYN BE INTIMIDATIN

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 16:58 (twenty years ago) link

AND THEY SMELL NICE, TOO!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 May 2004 17:03 (twenty years ago) link

psst psst tchk tchk tchk pft tchk.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

(???)

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

hi lauren

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

that's the tras/fantasy 12".

xpost - hi, cutty.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

you feeling better lauren?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:53 (twenty years ago) link

a bit. gimme a call at 5 about the system.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

wordness!

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

THIS THREAD IS THE MOST BADICAL.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

i do like the circus-y bits that start off the songs on the monitor ep, though. the b-side of the 12" is a bit... stern.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 20:01 (twenty years ago) link

circus = carnival

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 01:31 (twenty years ago) link

a battle remix of sorts here:

http://www.monitorrecords.com/battles-preview.html

― msp, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

hahahahahahahahahaha

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 04:06 (twenty years ago) link

oh my god, that is bad.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 04:11 (twenty years ago) link

make it stop.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 04:12 (twenty years ago) link

ha, that's old. i like when he says stanier will chop a helmet with a tomahawk.

IAN WILLIAMS YO YO YO YO

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 10:27 (twenty years ago) link

aw shit. that makes for interesting office listening. don't worry, g!. it doesn't sound like the ep or the 12".

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

lauren, where'd you get the 12"

― ddb, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

(waits for the zinger)

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago) link

kira's got the 8.5

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.profiboksz.hu/genesis/portrek/braxton.jpg

― ddb, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

why wait for the zinger when you can zing

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

oh dwight, you make me smile

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

Limiting myself to one racist joke per thread is something I always aim for.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link

i don't think i like the tone of this discussion.

all twelve hard inches are on cold sweat, which is a little vinyl offshoot of capitol.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

BEWARE THE MONITOR STORE

I tried to buy this from them and their store is a bitch who hates my shipping address for some reason.

THANK YOU AMAZON

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Monday, 24 May 2004 17:29 (twenty years ago) link

who is coming to the north six show with me and the ddb?

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

that's later in the month, yeah? I'll be there.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 4 June 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

I AM!
http://www.profiboksz.hu/genesis/portrek/braxton.jpg

― ddb, Friday, 4 June 2004 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

CAN I SEE YOUR ID?

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 4 June 2004 16:08 (twenty years ago) link

it's next saturday stency

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 4 June 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago) link

play one Mike Patton-related show and it's ugly dorks in the front from here on out.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 03:48 (twenty years ago) link

hstencil=OTM

― ddb (ddb), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago) link

Wow. I always pictured you as an ugly dork, hstencil! Guess I was wrong. I must say though that it is nice to chat with a handsome stud.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:50 (twenty years ago) link

was the fanbase ever very dreamy to begin with?

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

ddb, me, cutty - what's your problem lauren?

dean don't take it personal.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

also lauren that's a bit rich coming from a TY BRAXTON LUSTER-AFTER.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

i said fanbase, not band members.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

don't take it personal hstudmuffin.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

Well, if I was a fan, I'd've been pretty damn dreamy.

(That doesn't quite make sense)

― Crickets Dance On Tequila Booty (Barima), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

ddb, me, cutty - what's your problem lauren?

the dream team!

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:03 (twenty years ago) link

the hbp.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

I was there...when hstencil called lauren on his cellfone and lauren couldn't come out cause she fell down.

oops, wrong thread.

― ddb (ddb), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

i'm still in pain.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

hahahahahaha! dude we never did find that party. Apparently it was on Meserole STREET not Meserole Ave. No lesbians for me!

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

that's a common party-finding faux pas with the meseroles

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

lauren also we ran into shai and gave him two cans of Yuengling.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago) link

i hope he was appreciative.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:34 (twenty years ago) link

yeah he was, I think.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

Lauren
Ty is a super sweet guy. If your 1/100000th as nice in real life as you seem to be on ilx, you two would make an adoreable couple. I see marage in your future. Let me be your matchmaker. I'm cheap and except payment in Yuenglings

― brg30 (brg30), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 07:44 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...

YO PITCHFORK U NEED A FACT CHECKER YOU FUCKING MORANS

HOLLER BLACK

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:15 (twenty years ago) link

"a collaboration between Williams and emergent avant-jazz composer Tyondai Braxton."

ok, there is a fourth member of battles that they entirely ignore. poor dave konopka.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:17 (twenty years ago) link

what about Stanier and his impressive socks?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

and no mention of DWIGHT BRAXTON anywhere in the review

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:19 (twenty years ago) link

""Hi/Lo" opens with a chiming, arrhythmic Rhodes riff before stiffening up to a sludgy bass-and-drums vamp"

UHH THERE IS NO BASS IN BATTLES EITHER FUCKING MORANS

THREE GUITARS

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

cutty: how is not mentioning a specific member of a group a fact-checking error?

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

the "collaboration" they speak of is missing a collaborator. douchebag.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:41 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0426/040630_music_cdreviews.php

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:42 (twenty years ago) link

"David “Lil’ Ian Williams” Konopka"

that rules!

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

Williams’ Faulknerian (as the Ivy Leaguer in him would undoubtedly appreciate) picking re-emerges in Battles, only slightly shattered by Braxton’s own pedal pranks and Stanier’s shockingly precise drumming.

hmmm, I always thot of it more as Gertrude Stein-ish. Nice review, Yanc3y.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:48 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.profiboksz.hu/genesis/portrek/braxton.jpg

YANCY, I KISS YOU

XOXOX
DWIGHT

― Dwight Braxton (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:49 (twenty years ago) link

the "collaboration" they speak of is missing a collaborator. douchebag.

is it a "collaboration" between williams and braxton? yes, like it says. does it suggest they are the only musicians on the record? no. (fwiw, the sentence you're talking about doesn't mention either stanier or konopka, so it's missing two collaborators, although, again, not choosing to mention everyone who participated in the creation of the record is not in itself a factual error.)

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:54 (twenty years ago) link

scott, defending pitchfork is just stupid...the review was utter shit...you have no weight in your argument.

stand down.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:56 (twenty years ago) link

BUT they mention stanier in the review. nowhere in the review do they acknowledge that there are 3 guitarists in the band, or mention dave's previous band lynx.

i'd say an important fact is MISSING from that review, yes.

xpost.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

also, do they not all participate in writing the music? I dunno, I haven't seen the credits on the album, but it doesn't seem to me like Ian tells John what to play or anything.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:59 (twenty years ago) link

also this:

"As pliable and starkly gorgeous as Ian Williams' guitar playing was with Don Caballero, he was never the group's driving force. Despite serving as lead guitarist for a band that came to typify a genre, Williams always played a somewhat diminished role, relegated to ancillary status by drummer-cum-frontman Damon Che's beguiling polyrhythms."

is just plain stupid.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:00 (twenty years ago) link

yes. williams' ABSOLUTE POWER on don caballero 2 is undeniable.

scott: are you going to defend president bush next? wanker?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

FWIW & IMHO, Stainer is as good as Che ever was.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, he's a great drummer, just plays in a different style.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

Yancy OTM about American Don being Williams' record, he OWNZ on that thing.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

who's up for burritoville? Dean?

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

me and stence have a lunch date sometime this week!

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:05 (twenty years ago) link

I did B'ville yesterday, stomach still upset. So no go today.

I still have never heard American Don. Not sure if I ever need to.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:05 (twenty years ago) link

scott: are you going to defend president bush next? wanker?

sorry, I didn't realize faulty logic and your own loose definition of "facts" are ok as long as they're applied to things like pitchfork. the SW beta band review on the page yancey linked to only mentions two of the four band members - surely this is also a factual error.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

were we ever talking about the fucking beta band? keep digging that hole, buddy!

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:07 (twenty years ago) link

... I didn't realize faulty logic and your own loose definition of "facts"

um, the declaration of a "collaboration" between only two band members is the only loose definition of a fact going on here.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:08 (twenty years ago) link

oh, good lord.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:09 (twenty years ago) link

collaboration: To work together, especially in a joint intellectual effort.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

xpost - your dark overlord Ryan Schreiber can't help you, dude.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

Scott, you're on your own here dude.

― The Lord (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:12 (twenty years ago) link

american don is def. heavy on the stormundstress effects... the whole double headrush thing going on.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

i mean under the definition of collaboration, the review is completely ignoring the "intellectual effort" of an equally-billed bandmate, musician, performer, etc.

he is bringing as much to the table as the rest of them, and i'm sure if he read that review, he'd be pretty pissed off about it too.

scott. please.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago) link

not to flog a dead horse, but scott has really irked me. so i would like to bring up the next sentence after the aforementioned one:

"The guitarists' styles harmonize uncannily well, and EP C underscores their individual abilities while simultaneously siphoning them into an adherent combo."

there are THREE guitarists ok. the review is flawed, do your job, "associate editor".

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:24 (twenty years ago) link

cutty, you don't know who brought what to the table, and reviews ignore the "intellectual effort[s]" of lots of people. There's no obligation to pass out credit in equal measures, it's a subjective interpretation of what is noteworthy, newsworthy, etc., about a record. Pulp had equal singwriting billing throughout their career, but Jarvis Cocker got a bit more press than, say, Rob Mackey or Candida Doyle. It's the way it is. Braxton and Williams, the most well-known musicians on the project, are collaborating, yes? I'd assume their names are up front because they're the draw to the project, and failing to mention some guy from lynx neither makes that the "collaboration" sentence untrue nor does it imply that nobody else worked on the project. (esp. bcuz the drummer had already been mentioned at this point.)

I suspect we wouldn't be having this conversation if it the review was printed in any other publication (cue: cuz any other pub would have gotten it right, etc. ;) )

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

Cutty,

I'm with Scott here. The author clearly tuned his ~~stereo~~ MP3-player to filter out only Ian and Ty's guitars. Why don't you just go to burritoville or something?

Sorry,
gygax!

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

There's no obligation to pass out credit in equal measures, it's a subjective interpretation of what is noteworthy, newsworthy, etc., about a record.

what are the writing credits on the EPs?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

filter-in? or filter-out?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:31 (twenty years ago) link

"The guitarists' styles harmonize uncannily well, and EP C underscores their individual abilities while simultaneously siphoning them into an adherent combo."

there are THREE guitarists ok.

uh, ok...what about this indicates whether there are two, three, four, or 20 guitarists?

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:31 (twenty years ago) link

the previous sentence!

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

read it as an uninformed reader would. you are misinforming your readers with a flawed review.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

Scott do you like Battles? Do you think this is a well written review?

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

wouldn't a riff by definition be rhythmic, btw?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

ERROR 2 TIMEOUT

TURN BACK YOU POXY FULE

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:35 (twenty years ago) link

the previous sentence!

cutty: specifically what part? (granted, "combo" probably couldn't describe a group of 20 musicians...)

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:35 (twenty years ago) link

he means the "bass-and-drums" part. There is no bass player in Battles.

I question the "arrhythmic...riff" thing too, as that's just kinda sorta impossible, musically.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:36 (twenty years ago) link

"EP C and Tras, Fantasy are the first in a succession of three EPs scheduled for release this year by Battles, a collaboration between Williams and emergent avant-jazz composer Tyondai Braxton. The guitarists' styles harmonize uncannily well, and EP C underscores their individual abilities while simultaneously siphoning them into an adherent combo."

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link

xpost - he also means this sentence:

""Hi/Lo" opens with a chiming, arrhythmic Rhodes riff before stiffening up to a sludgy bass-and-drums vamp."

which was "aforementioned ie. not the next sentence he cited that came after it.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link

Scott do you like Battles? Do you think this is a well written review?

battles are fine enough at what they do - granted, I'm not much of a fan of don cab, etc.; is it a well-written review? well, I never said it was ;)

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link

oh wait, maybe not, but still that sentence is fucked.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

he means the "bass-and-drums" part. There is no bass player in Battles.

right, that is an error.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

is Ty Braxton "avant-jazz" because his father is? I've never heard anything remotely resembling jazz in his solo music.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

yes, i also mentioned that as an error. are you relenting yet?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago) link

SCOTT THE REVIEW IS SHIT, FLAWED AND ALSO FILLED WITH FACTUAL ERROR. CAN YOU PLEASE JUST ADMIT IT SO I CAN MOVE ON WITH MY DAY.

kthxbye

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:40 (twenty years ago) link

yes, i also mentioned that as an error.

I know you did, and I never disputed that! My own dispute was over this collaboration business.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:42 (twenty years ago) link

what about the avant-jazz part?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago) link

well, as a battles/don cab fan...i think the review is fucking stupid, it is strewn with inaccuracies and mostly composed of wordy and generic critic speak. It is NOT well written! I would think that pitchfork being a Chicago thing they'd at least get somebody who has seen Don Cab or at the very least heard them.

I dont understand why, as a pedestrian fan of the band you would argue against someone who is obviously a fan?

Bored?

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:45 (twenty years ago) link

what about the "arrhythmic riff" part?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

what about: Dreary, postmodern and monolithic throughout, EP C stays a rigid and weary course, unflinchingly dialed-in to Stainer's cagey ostinatos and Williams' confrontational anti-melodies.

aka: I own the joy division box set

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

whoa, thesaurus much? Riff and ostinato in the same review!

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.terrybozzio.com/images/cov/mdo2.jpg

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 15:18 (twenty years ago) link

HAHAHA!!!

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago) link

i love it when you guys get all hot 'n' bothered.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago) link

I love it when Terry Bozio's wife gets all hot 'n' bothered.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago) link

do not laugh at the boz!

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

she should sue Aguilera:

http://www.tonymiguel.com/DaleBozio-web.jpg

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

what are words for?

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

do you hear me?

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

i believe (i could be totally wrong here), that i saw terry bozzio filling in for a sick/injured matt cameron during a soundgarden club show in the very early 90s circa louder than love (also featuring original soundgarden bassist hiro yamamoto).

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

i'm glad no one is questioning how i am aware of this particular terry bozzio instructional video

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

can you do all those "tom sawyer" fills?

i interviewed someone this weekend who just learned how to pitch his bass drum.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

I AM GOING TO BURRITOVILLE
BE BACK IN 5

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

way to show up late to the party deaner

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

Dale Bozzio called me once at work. I wasn't wearing pants!

I was wearing shorts.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.midnightinsanity.com/Photo/Rhino/RR-MissingPersons1.jpg

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago) link

anyone see that thing on VH1 where she goes to the skatepark with her kid and get's ollied.

bonkerz.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

CUTTY STFU I AM ON THE WEST COAST WITH ALL THE DECENT PEOPLE

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

cutty you look funny in that pic, when did you meet dale bozzio?

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

i'm just sayin. we could have used you earlier...

and i thought this was me?

ihttp://www.apple.com/education/cramandjam/

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

oops wrong link haaaa

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

http://members.migente.com/boriqua4lifePIC/boriqua_atwork.JPG

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

cram and jam what?

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT BATTLES PAPI

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

what is it with Rican dudes and the eyeliner?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

his head is small. his arms are huge. his computers are stolen.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago) link

LIFE IS A BORICUA'S BATTLES HOMES

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:24 (twenty years ago) link

FITE!

http://www.profiboksz.hu/genesis/portrek/braxton.jpg

vs.

http://members.migente.com/boriqua4lifePIC/boriqua_atwork.JPG

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago) link

It upsets me that the first post on this thread is:

this is the most twisted carnival music ever.
-- cutty (holle...) (webmail), May 6th, 2004 5:55 AM. (mcutt) (1 trackback) (link)

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

whyzat?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

CARNIVAL, PUERTO RICANS, PUERTO RICAN DAY, THE PARADE, THAT EPISODE OF SEINFELD WHICH WASN'T EVEN FUNNY, THE BACKLASH THAT ENSUED

All of this. And, it takes my mind away from the POY BOMBX at PURRITOVILLEX.

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:30 (twenty years ago) link

dean are you boriqua in moz angeles?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

4 REALZ B

― dean? (deangulberry), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

http://uab.metrostate.edu/events/images/head_hispanis.jpg

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

dudes, there was this guy on the subway yesterday carrying a boombox AND a portable DVD player, with a PR hat, a PR national jersey of some athletic sport, and matching shorts. he had spikes on both wrists and a whatever you call that lower lip piercing that goes through to your chin, he had a spike in that too.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

and he was listening to "first of the gang to die" on his blaster, watching the live morrissey dvd?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

he was on a castro-bound train... ?

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

lower lip piercing that goes through to your chin

cutty was that you?

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:41 (twenty years ago) link

dood, what were you doing in the castro...it's filled with gays.

oh.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:42 (twenty years ago) link

i don't know WHAT you are talking about

(prank caller, prank caller)

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

the train was castro-bound, i got off in the tenderloin yo.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

too easy.

― ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

"and boy were my loins tender"?

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:51 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...

i have B EP its very good!

― chaki in charge (chaki), Saturday, 15 January 2005 01:30 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...

What the hell, I saw these guys at some small room at a liberal arts college in nowheresville Iowa and it was fucking great! They're on some tour supporting Prefuse 73, of all people. Hook-up from Braxton's collabo with said artist, maybe. I bought a couple EPs!

Oddly enough, the next day I was walking through a shopping mall in Des Moines (an hour from where they performed) and saw them in a sporting goods store! Their van was getting an oil change. My world is random, and I definitely did not realize at the time that John from Battles was in Tomahawk, who I have also seen. This is definitely not coherent, but I really liked their performance.

― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 16 May 2005 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Is this available in the UK or what?

― The Irrelevant Man (Negativa) (Barima), Monday, 16 May 2005 08:30 (nineteen years ago) link

haha....mike h you were in Grinnell of all places. Amazingly, they consistenly put on great shows there.

― robots in love (robotsinlove), Monday, 16 May 2005 08:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I really have no clue why I haven't gone to more shows there since it's so damn close. Probably because there's very little promotion! I have some serious buyer's remorse about my college education, since visiting places like Grinnell make me wish I'd thought out my choices a little more. There's probably some secret group of ilx0rs who were there and I just don't know it...

― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 16 May 2005 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...

I'm sort of upset about this thread, but whatever, SZ2 is great.

― Lukas (lukas), Saturday, 27 August 2005 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...

I have no idea what the hell happened on this thread, but they're on Warp now. There's a CD comp of all three EPs out February and a full-length later on in 2006.

― telephone thing, Friday, 9 December 2005 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

you had to be there, obv.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 9 December 2005 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...

what is this shit, proto noize tittwis?

― Yawn (Wintermute), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

anyway, should i give EP C / B EP a listen? my hds are full so id have to go to an actual meatspace recordstore to hear this and i want to make sure its worth the hassle

― Yawn (Wintermute), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

yes and yes, definitely worth the hassles

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

ok!

― Yawn (Wintermute), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

just got into this with the EP C / B EP. really great stuff.

― Harpal (harpal), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 05:29 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

accidentally posted on noize board: tyondai's new album is a lot like new age carousel music, or a disney soundtrack from a hundred years from now. in a really good way

― kamerad, Friday, 21 August 2009 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

cool video. song sounds like mathy vampire weekend or anco or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FsvMyQeC-Q

― jaxon, Monday, 9 May 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link

there's a gloss drop thread, also, fuck that dude who said that ice cream sounds like 311 because now I slightly feel bad whenever I enjoy it

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 9 May 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link

"mathy vampire weekend" otm

― zingstreet (latebloomer), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link

kind of resent the disrespect to ice cream in this video. eating in the tub is not cool.

― zingstreet (latebloomer), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link

twelve years pass...

Battles opened for Mr. Bungle last night and it was fukkin choice, if the trout is coming to you town I strongly recommend going

― the new drip king (DJP), Tuesday, 12 September 2023 16:56 (one year ago) link

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