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I would love to punch Jarvis Cocker.

― GET TO THA' (PRICE) CHOPPA!!!!!!!! ROFFLE!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

so many more deserving targets for overamped teenage hostility

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Go away.

― CRW (CRW), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Parklife is shit.

― stephen morris (stephen morris), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

They come over here, stealing our riffs, marrying our beer...

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

oh come on. Jarvis? Punch out that dude from....uh, I don't care punch Jarvis. Common People was a long time ago. Seriously though punch out that guy from Placebo before you think of Jarvis or anyone actually talented.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

the only bad thing about brit pop was how british and poppy it was.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the thread where we predict which poncey Brit bands Strongo will be forced to listen to at work.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

JARVIS IS NOT TALENTED

― GET TO THA' (PRICE) CHOPPA!!!!!!!! ROFFLE!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I must deny your proclamation.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

What's Jarvis up to these days? Is he on the dole?

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

He's down with the electrocla$h

― don (don), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

That's Jarvis on the right. Really.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.ca.britishcouncil.org/news/images/relaxedmuscle.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Did he join an ICP side project??????

― GET TO THA' (PRICE) CHOPPA!!!!!!!! ROFFLE!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

you're too young to be drunk so i assume it's just retarded

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.druckers.com/cry.jpg

― GET TO THA' (PRICE) CHOPPA!!!!!!!! ROFFLE!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Saturday, 8 May 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.isualum.org/news/visions/fall00/cry.jpg

― GET TO THA' (PRICE) CHOPPA!!!!!!!! ROFFLE!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Saturday, 8 May 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

woohoo

― the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Saturday, 8 May 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

jarvis is still talented and relaxed muscle is where it's at!!

― the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Saturday, 8 May 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

but i will never listen to pulp again

― the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Saturday, 8 May 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

'We Love Life' is £3 in the HMV sale.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 8 May 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Let's just rename this thread "This is the thread for hating on anything Callum likes."

― Ian Johnson (orion), Saturday, 8 May 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

he likes cars and money

― the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Saturday, 8 May 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

or did i mix something up there

― the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Saturday, 8 May 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

let me rephrase: "This is the thread for hating on anything Callum likes to listen to." (aside, of course, from orgasm noises; those are still grebt, despite C's undoubted love/longing for 'em.)

― Ian Johnson (orion), Saturday, 8 May 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

http://primrosehill.250free.com/jarviszipline.jpg

= you are all gay

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 8 May 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

that picture = SEND IN SECRET AGENT SUPER AWESOME

I don't get ILM's Britpop celeb hate. I think Damon Albarn is a perfectly worthwhile individual. Granted, I live in the Land of Darryl Worley, so you can see how the luxury of having some Britpop dude as A#1 death-marked everything-wrong-with-pop scapegoat is far beyond me.

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 8 May 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Nate OTM. I was in fact just talking about the redonkulousness of singling Albarn out as evil when his bad qualities are so obviously half of what makes him so damned classic in the first place.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 8 May 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Please stop hating on Jarvis. Thank you in advance.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 8 May 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Jarvis Cocker is, like, so fucking cool it's hard to know where to begin and as I've stated many times - TWO DECADES AND NOT ONE DUFF ALBUM MAKES PULP THE BEST BAND TO HAVE EVER WALKED THE EARTH.

― CRW (CRW), Saturday, 8 May 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Britpop is the best thing about music.

― bbc6 personality (bbc6 personality), Saturday, 8 May 2004 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, Calum will even rep for pre His 'n' Hers Pulp. Totally quaint.

― Musical Bear (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 8 May 2004 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Really bbc6 personality? Well in that case I wish you would reveal who you are so I could know to avoid your show.

― de, Saturday, 8 May 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I really don't care for Blur's "Country House" video. But maybe that's just cause I don't understand it. Other than that, Britpop's COOL!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 8 May 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Brit Pop, but I don't like Jarvis or Placebo. So what does that mean in the midst of this thread? Probably nothing.

― bimble (bimble), Saturday, 8 May 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, Calum will even rep for pre His 'n' Hers Pulp. Totally quaint.

As would others. Separations is incredibly good and Freaks has some deceptively touching moments.

― edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 8 May 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

BRIT POP IS THE UK VERSION OF JAM BAND SHIT.

YOU GUYS ARE WORSE THAN DMB FANZ.

― GET TO THA' (PRICE) CHOPPA!!!!!!!! ROFFLE!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Saturday, 8 May 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

And "It" by Pulp is lovely too. "My Lighthouse" is just fantastic. "I Want You" from Freaks is still one of my all time favourite Pulp songs. And how are they Britpop anyway? They were making albums long before Britpop.

― CRW (CRW), Saturday, 8 May 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.betsyda.com/pictures/tv/buffy-prom/tuxJ3.jpg

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 8 May 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

It means something...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 8 May 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon/Jonathan entertains us.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 8 May 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Here we are now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 8 May 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Bad Britpop:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000072LQ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 May 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Good Britpop:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000001E7C.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 May 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Northern Uproar wasn't even bad Britpop, it was squelching slime.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 8 May 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Britpop is great, and so is jarvis cocker

― Toon (Skelter), Saturday, 8 May 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.percenterprises.com/images/freddurstsmiths.jpg

― Aaron A., Saturday, 8 May 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Let's put it this way. If you look at the bands of the 90s and which were important/ shaped the way popular music was going to go etc - how many American bands or artists would you have?

Nirvana.

But UK-wise you had Suede, The Prodigy, Radiohead, Pulp, Blur, Oasis, My Bloody Valentine.

― CRW (CRW), Saturday, 8 May 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, can I just call attention to the fact that A Certain Someone has decided to praise MBV of all sudden?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 8 May 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Aaron, that photo is classic and immediately sent me into laughter upon viewing it. If you'd ever asked me whether I'd see a muscle bound, biker-looking, tattooed guy wearing a Smiths shirt...jeez, cheers to him, whoever he is.

― bimble (bimble), Saturday, 8 May 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

um, it's Fred Durst, God's reminder of how bad music can be.

― jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 8 May 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

CRW in forgetting hip hop shockah.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I never forgot hip-hop, I was talking about POP music, largely. And I wasn't praising MBV Ned, I mean WTF? I was just stating their obvious influence, I still think they are gash, just as I do The Prodigy and (to an extent) Radiohead. But to ignore the influence of these bands would be wrong. All three are very important.

― CRW (CRW), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The influence of any of those bands on Pop is zero compared to the influence of US Hip Hop and R'n'B. Which Pop acts did Radiohead influence, for example?

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

But, it seemed like Nirvana was the most popular.

Prodigy??

Who really listens to Prodigy?

― Aja (aja), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Not me. Come on, Radiohead effectively opened the door for "serious" AOR and thus spawned Travis/ Coldplay/ Starsailor et al, and even Urban Hymns seemed to hit it big around the time of OK Computer.

― CRW (CRW), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Calum none of the bands you list "shaped popular music" except within the UK, with the possible exception of MBV.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains and Soundgarden were all rippoed off at least as often as Nirvana, Pearl Jam and esp. AIC probably more. And that's just the Seattle bands! Nine Inch Nails were probably ripped off even MORE than all of the above, and so were Green Day (who single-handedly made teenwise pop-punk big-time bankable in the U.S.).

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Who the flip ripped off NIN, Matos? Not being funny, just can't think of a single example...

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd honestly say most of the nu-metal I've heard has been equal parts NIN and Soundgarden (plus whatever rapper the lead barker fancies themselves as). feel free to laugh at this formulation if you like.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

of course right after I typed that I knew it was at least sort of wrong. but I'd say Trent's angst was roughly as influential as Vedder's or Cobain's.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a perfectly accurate take to my ears.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I can see the influence of Reznor's personality (for want of a better word). I guess, yeah, there's a bit of NIN in stuff (for want of a better word) like Linkin Park.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Rezor's the medium, though, it's his sources (esp. Jim Thirlwell) who should be cited as the points of origin

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 8 May 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

But UK-wise you had Suede, The Prodigy, Radiohead, Pulp, Blur, Oasis, My Bloody Valentine.

Besides Oasis and Radiohead, most Americans havent even heard of most of those bands. Maybe they remember Firestarter, but wouldn't know the name of the band that sung it. And certainly no band on the American charts for the past 10 years was influenced by Pulp, Blur or My Bloody Valentine. Or, if a few, not even CLOSE to as influental as say, Puff Daddy was. And don't try to argue with me on that one.

― David Allen (David Allen), Saturday, 8 May 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Who really listens to Prodigy?

I'd certainly much rather listen to the Prodigy than Nirvana.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 May 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Menswear had one good song. Britpop was tediously overrated but has some salvageable music. And Parklife is still a joy to listen to.

― Barima (Barima), Saturday, 8 May 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"signs of origin" = lamest and most obvious rockist point evah, you know damn well what I'm talking about

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

>Who the flip ripped off NIN, Matos?<

Most obviously bands like Gravity Kills, Stabbing Westward, God Lives Underater, etc. At least one of whom (Stabbing Westward) wound up being BETTER than NIN. But since NIN were just ripping off Ministry via Big Black via Killing Joke etc themselves -- since, just like those grunge bands, or Green Day, they weren't especially original in the first place -- this may well be a very silly thing to talk about.

― chuck, Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

>I'd certainly much rather listen to the Prodigy than Nirvana.<

Me too, it's not even a close contest! Prodigy are great.

― chuck, Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

By the way, speaking of "Brit-pop", on the thread below I demonstrate once again that I apparently have absolutely no idea what it IS:

Taking Sides: The Pixies Vs Placebo

― chuck, Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

nobody's discussing originality here, they're discussing whether bands ripped other bands off, which they did. and Nirvana are better than Prodigy easy, even Prodigy in their best era, when they were making breakbeat hardcore w/cheesy pianos and helium vocals for e'd up ravers

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

now let's face it people, britpop was never really a musical movement or genre as it’s (sort of) being referred to above, not in any sense. it was a term which was generated from a sudden proliferation of british rock acts whose relative successes snowballed each other thanks to the eNMEy’s jubilation of having something ‘new’ to write about (read: sell copy). the national press then hijacked the term and it was bastardized into something even more nationalistic and unsavory. eventually it spawned ‘cool britannia’ which was subsequently used by nu-labour as a lame political device to attract the yoof. but by this time it was in its third or fourth paltry wave and flirting with the terribly uncool. by all means address the music of this period but the sooner we forget about britpop the better and then maybe british rock/pop music can move on, or perhaps just move.

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Prodigy had more propulsive songs than Nirvana, they rocked way harder (on *The Fat of the Land* at least), had a more inventive sense of beauty, had a WAAAAAAAY better sense of rhythm, and more energy in their vocals, and cooler haircuts. Again, no contest. (And as somebody who has never been an "e-d up raver," I don't know why I would care who they were *attempting* to make songs for. Though, in re-reading your post, I do realize now that you weren't complaining about their audience, just describing it.) Part of Nirvana's problem is probably that they weren't "cheesy" (whatever that means) ENOUGH...

xpost. Okay, I'm going home.

― chuck, Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

On the other hand, I had not until now noticed this post, which is indeed completely ridiculous, which was probably Matos's point in the first place (though the Prodigy's influence on, um, Hard Knox and Grand Theft Audio and Overseer and early Junkie XL cannot be ignored):

>>Let's put it this way. If you look at the bands of the 90s and which were important/ shaped the way popular music was going to go etc - how many American bands or artists would you have?
Nirvana. But UK-wise you had Suede, The Prodigy, Radiohead, Pulp, Blur, Oasis, My Bloody Valentine.<<

― chuck, Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The only Prodigy song that is in any way ubiquitous over here is "Smack My Bitch Up," and only because MTV called its video the most controversial one every released a few years ago. And the only people who watched that thing were listaholics and people who happened to be flipping through the channels.

Pulp were important because they were a continuation of a musical tradition that hearkens all the way back to David Bowie, and maybe even to Scott Walker. But maybe it's easier to appreciate bands like Pulp when you're an American and was never subjected to their music on a 24-hour basis.

That the British folks on this board never profess to enjoying Nirvana is telling.

Curiously, I've never been able to get into Oasis.

― Atnevon (Atnevon), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

over here = ?

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Who gives a shit about this:

"Most obviously bands like Gravity Kills, Stabbing Westward, God Lives Underater, etc."

I aint heard of these bands but they sound like typically God awful American metal. I don't give a shit if Suede or Pulp didn't influence any American bands. I only care about the bands they did influence - some of them (The Libertines/ Franz Ferdinand/ The Divine Comedy/ Placebo/ Elastica) being pretty damn good (and others being Menswear).
Why should I care if they made it across the pond? I don't listen to much American music anyway, and "Deserter's Songs" has the feel of Dog Man Star anyway and it's great.

― CRW (CRW), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

P.S. I enjoy Nirvana just not as much as the hooded twats who are 15 and take Kurt as a messiah do, but there were some good tunes.

― CRW (CRW), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

hooded twats!

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually I believe it is not the twat itself but the clit proper that is hooded

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.varmouries.com/cloth/cpics/hood.jpg

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

exactly

― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

See, prior to C's post I would have guessed fellows like this to be more interested in, say, celtic music.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Madrigals perhaps.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I would never complain about e'd up ravers, them's my people yo. Also, you win a cigar re: my initial post's intent.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Why should I care if they made it across the pond?

nobody asked you to. someone made a point, I refuted the point, the thread got happily but not unintelligently derailed.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 8 May 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"signs of origin" = lamest and most obvious rockist point evah, you know damn well what I'm talking about

see but Matos I have NEVER accepted the idea that since "influence" as a trope has been overused/misused/what-have-you it's not worth noting. I'm a classicist: I think first uses of tropes are VERY interesting & VERY worth discussing - one certainly needs to be wary of thinking "first use = best use" i.e. of attributing qualities to position in sequence - but the idea that "it doesn't matter at all where this or that style originated" strikes me as really, um, how do I say this nicely, not-a-good-idea

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 8 May 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

but it's totally irrelevant in *this particular discussion*, J0hn. here's the progression: dude says "Nirvana are only U.S. band from this particular era to influence other bands." I say "that's rank bullshit--these other bands from this particular era did too." discussion ensues. keywords: "this particular era." meaning the future members of whatever nu-metal band/s I was thinking of as being the hellspawn of NIN + Soundgarden (or whomever) were less likely to be thinking "I wanna sound like Thirlwell" than "I wanna sound like Reznor." Thirlwell enters the picture thirdhand, is not the focus, and in the context of the post I made to refute the earlier post is not worth bringing up at all.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 8 May 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

jarvis is still talented and relaxed muscle is where it's at!!
-- the 'surface' 'noise'

We love this album, best album of the year for us.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 8 May 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, it just turns into a game, doesn't it? "Well, if yr gonna discuss NIN you've gotta discuss Thirlwell." sure, but you can take that back and back and back for-fucking-ever and turn it into a dick-size game of spot-the-reference. and especially in this particular instance it's not at all the point. I mean, it's not like I'm totally unattuned to historical nuance regarding pop music, J0hn, I just wrote a fucking book about a 17-year-old record in which I reference about 80 million other things!

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 8 May 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

(and yes I swear that is the LAST TIME I will EVER mention the book again on this board, promise.)

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 8 May 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

You've written a book? Tell us about it.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 8 May 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 8 May 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the Prodigy's influence outstrips their listenership (for all that dance has one of the shortest walls ever dividing the two).

Am I right in thinking that the number of people who compared Pulp to Scott Walker before he produced their last album = 0?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 8 May 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

The Prodigy managed two #1 singles in the UK, and I'd guess that "The Fat of The Land" must rank along the ten, maybe twenty biggest selling albums (in the UK) of the decade.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 8 May 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

'Am I right in thinking that the number of people who compared Pulp to Scott Walker before he produced their last album = 0?'

Completely wrong. I was reading about Jarvis's Scott Walker obsession in the NME in 1995. And the parallels were always being drawn.

― de, Saturday, 8 May 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Nuisance is a classic album.

― bbc6 personality (bbc6 personality), Saturday, 8 May 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

so if someone uses a shovel to hit someone over the head and kill them no one can ever use shovels again for activities like gardening or digging ditches, etc.

wasn't there a baby in the bathwater? it was there when I dumped it.

― jack cole (jackcole), Sunday, 9 May 2004 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

over here = ?

over here = in America. Took me long enough, though.

― Atnevon (Atnevon), Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I would just like to remind people, tho I'm not sure I need to, that Prodigy were the most important 'band' to me in my formative adolescent years. I'll probably always listen to them, from time to time.

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Firestarter was pretty damned huge over here.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a shame the first two albums weren't bigger. sometimes when wondering why i am a little stumped, a 'wood for tress' thing perhaps - like asking why must the sky be blue.

i like the idea of Pulp being one of the best British bands ever. the idea that British bands should have more success and influence in the USA is odd, it reminds me of the idea that England should win the World Cup more often. Or that Japanese or Australian bands should have more success and influence there.

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"I aint heard of these bands but they sound like typically God awful American metal."

CRW do you like any UK Hard Rock or Metal?

― Rock Bastard, Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't post to this thread.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

because you're President of the 60ft Dolls fan club?

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 9 May 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post You liar!!?! You jis' did!!?!!

― de, Monday, 10 May 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Firestarter was pretty damned huge over here.

Fat of the Land debuted at number one. I'm still surprised about that!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

wasn't it the fastest-selling British album ever over there until 'Ok Computer' a few months later?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Ever? I find that hard to believe but that's me. And it actually came out at the same time as OKC, or a mere week or two apart I think.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

it's easy to believe when you consider that Dido's 'Life For Rent' is now the fastest-selling album ever in Britain now (basically first week sales for anything big began surging upwards from the mid 90s and never looked back) but yes i couldn't quite remember whether the Prodigy and Radiohead releases were weeks or months apart.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe i was thinking of 'Be Here Now'?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

That only debuted at 2 in America.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

but it's totally irrelevant in *this particular discussion*, J0hn.

ok M if you say so, fine - I'd say that Foetus and his various cohorts are utterly key to any discussion of NIN & their aftereffects but it's not something I'm ready to go to war about or anything

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

well, exactly!

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 10 May 2004 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Not interested in beating up Jarvis Cocker, but can someone hold down the Gallagher Brothers while I work them over with cricket bats?

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 May 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

I would love to punch Jarvis Cocker.

-- GET TO THA' (PRICE) CHOPPA!!!!!!!! ROFFLE!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:35 (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

so many more deserving targets for overamped teenage hostility

-- strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:38 (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

Go away.

-- CRW (CRW), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:39 (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

Parklife is shit.

-- stephen morris (stephen morris), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:40 (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

OTM, not OTM, not OTM, OTM

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 12:14 (seventeen years ago)

i blame whigfield, seriously. in '94 every other uk number one was a crap novelty school disco record by the likes of rednex, outhere brothers, whigfield, etc...

so we had to have a return to "real" bands like oasis, supergrass, blur etc...

who, imo, were worse than the kiddie house.

― max r, Monday, 1 October 2007 12:39 (seventeen years ago)

but i will never listen to pulp again

-- the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Saturday, May 8, 2004 10:45 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

this didn't happen

― electricsound, Monday, 1 October 2007 12:53 (seventeen years ago)

:-(

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 12:54 (seventeen years ago)

max, you're out of your element.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 1 October 2007 12:55 (seventeen years ago)

maybe jon williams invented the LBCZC? sobering thought.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 1 October 2007 12:56 (seventeen years ago)

yeah, i am really.

i understand there were many factors that contributed to britpop's rise, but i think animosity towards cheeseball dance pop (and dance music in general) was part of it.

there's no need to be patronising, chum.

― max r, Monday, 1 October 2007 12:58 (seventeen years ago)

Yay, clusterfuck thread time!

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 12:59 (seventeen years ago)

i don't think people buy records they like in protest at other records, son.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:02 (seventeen years ago)

maybe not, but the press likes a bit of contrast doesn't it?

"faceless techno bollocks" and all that.

you don't think it was hard for the press to find "stars" in dance music? bands are a bit more quotable aren't they?

plus i remember kids brought up on synthpop and dance thinking that that wave of bands was original, because most indie until then had been quite underground.

― max r, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:07 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.80scartoons.net/images/f/fanmax.jpg

"Along came Max, and the funtime started..."

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:08 (seventeen years ago)

i don't think any britpop records even got to number one in 1994. stiltskin did, however, so guess my theory.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:11 (seventeen years ago)

did in 95, tho

― max r, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:12 (seventeen years ago)

"get to tha price choppa roffle" my favourite jw alias.

Whigfield was awesome, max, "saturday night" a great single.

― Pashmina, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:17 (seventeen years ago)

The ragga version of "Saturday Night" was pretty heat as well.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmk9Oar3-k0

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:20 (seventeen years ago)

it was a hot jam for the laydeez

― max r, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:20 (seventeen years ago)

NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET NOODLE VAGUE SOCKPUPPET

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:21 (seventeen years ago)

ur mum is a sockpuppet

― max r, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:22 (seventeen years ago)

01. (N a) Whigfield - Saturday Night[]
02. (-1 ) Wet Wet Wet - Love Is All Around[]
03. (N pa) Luther Vandross And Mariah Carey - Endless Love[]
04. (-2 pa) Kylie Minogue - Confide In Me[]
05. (4 pa) Corona - The Rhythm Of The Night[]
06. (-1 pa) Boyz II Men - I'll Make Love To You[]
07. (-4 a) Youssou N'Dour Featuring Neneh Cherry - 7 Seconds[]
08. (-4 pa) Red Dragon With Brian And Tony Gold - Compliments On Your Kiss[]
09. (N pa) R.E.M. - What's The Frequency, Kenneth?[]
10. (1 pa) M-Beat Featuring General Levy - Incredible {1994 Re-Release}[]
11. (-5 a) Let Loose - Crazy For You {1994}[]
12. (-4 pa) Warren G And Nate Dogg - Regulate[]
13. (N pa) Cyndi Lauper - Hey Now (Girls Just Want To Have Fun)[]
14. (-7 pa) China Black - Searching[]
15. (-) Sophie B Hawkins - Right Beside You[]
16. (-6 pa) All-4-One - I Swear[]
17. (-5 pa) DJ Miko - What's Up[]
18. (3 pa) Lisa Loeb And Nine Stories - Stay (I Missed You)[]
19. (N a) Grid - Rollercoaster[]
20. (-6 pa) Blur - Parklife[]
21. (-4 pa) Shampoo - Trouble[]
22. (-3 pa) Blondie - Atomic {1994}[]
23. (-10 pa) Pet Shop Boys - Yesterday When I Was Mad[]
24. (-2 pa) Livin' Joy - Dreamer[]
25. (1 pa) D:Ream - Blame It On Me[]
26. (N pa) Bad Boys Inc - Love Here I Come[]
27. (N pa) Snap! Featuring Summer - Welcome To Tomorrow[]
28. (-10 pa) Tinman - Eighteen Strings[]
29. (-4 pa) Robert Palmer - Know By Now[]
30. (N pa) Roxette - Fireworks[]
31. (N pa) M People - Elegantly American - One Night In Heaven/Moving On Up (Remixes)[]
32. (-12 pa) Sean Maguire - Someone To Love[]
33. (N pa) Aswad - Warriors[]
34. (-18 pa) The Wonder Stuff - Unbearable[]
35. (-11 pa) Eternal - So Good[]
36. (N pa) Sabres Of Paradise - Wilmot[]
37. (-6 pa) Duke Baysee - Sugar Sugar[]
38. (-4 pa) Shara Nelson - Inside Out/Down That Road[]
39. (-9 pa) Prince - Letitgo[]
40. (-11 pa) PJ And Duncan - Let's Get Ready To Rhumble[]

That's a pretty hot top 40.

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:26 (seventeen years ago)

All-4-One can fuck off, though.

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:26 (seventeen years ago)

You can force it but it will not come
You can taste it but it will not form
You can crush it but it's always here
You can crush it but it's always near
Chasing you home saying
Everything is broken
Everyone is broken

You can force it but it will stay stung
You can crush it as dry as a bone
You can walk it home straight from school
You can kiss it, you can break all the rules
But still...
Everything is broken
Everyone is broken

Everyone is, everyone is broken
Everyone is, everything is broken

Why can't you forget?
Why can't you forget?
Why can't you forget?

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:26 (seventeen years ago)

Richard said "Withdrawal in disgust is not the same as apathy"

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:27 (seventeen years ago)

You wore our expectations like an armored suit

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:28 (seventeen years ago)

You said that irony was the shackles of youth

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:28 (seventeen years ago)

i blame mondeo pop, seriously. in '94 every other uk number one was a crap faux-scottish soft-rock mock-soul record by the likes of deacon blue, aztec camera, wet wet wet, etc...

so we had to have a return to "real" bands like whigfield, doop, livin joy etc...

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:30 (seventeen years ago)

there are a few decent tracks in there:

incredible, dreamer, rollercoaster (but not as good as swamp thing), the prince tune was crap by his standards. bit of a bland chart, imo

― max r, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:31 (seventeen years ago)

i blame grunge, seriously. in '91 every other uk number one was a crap flannel shirted, distorted amp driven piece of shit US rock record by the likes of Mudhoney, Gruntruck, The Melvins, Tad, etc...

so we had to have a return to "real" bands like Wet Wet Wet, Aztec Camera, Deacon Blue etc...

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:32 (seventeen years ago)

'wilmot' is fucking great. or i though so then.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:33 (seventeen years ago)

yeah, yeah, alright there were various reasons.

― max r, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:33 (seventeen years ago)

21. (-4 pa) Shampoo - Trouble[]

Not feeling this.

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:35 (seventeen years ago)

I checked, The Melvins only had three UK #1 singles. I thought it was more.

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:35 (seventeen years ago)

oh yeah, 7 seconds was good as well.

― max r, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:36 (seventeen years ago)

12. (-4 pa) Warren G And Nate Dogg - Regulate[]

that's what i'm talking about

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:37 (seventeen years ago)

I have no idea why that isn't on more karaoke machines.

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 October 2007 13:38 (seventeen years ago)

What is needed is a thread for hating on hip-hop and contemporary R&B.

Britpop was great, not as much great in itself musically (although it was too) as a much needed return to the song.

It was said that teen pop killed off Britpop, but as opposed to most of what was popular with the kids in the early 90s, Spice Girls and the boy bands did at least have real tunes with real verses and real choruses. And so it has remained, outside the hip-hop/R&B world.

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 02:55 (seventeen years ago)

I mean, even most electronica has tunes these days.

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 02:56 (seventeen years ago)

huh? a lot of electronica had tunes in the early 90s, like the artificial intelligence comps and all that.

― max r, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 09:15 (seventeen years ago)

Well, of course there were always Robert Miles, Enigma and Deep Forest, but.....

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 22:04 (seventeen years ago)

this thread was better than i expected

― blueski, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 22:19 (seventeen years ago)

The last dozen or so people to post are working in self-parody mode, surely?

― paulhw, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 00:51 (seventeen years ago)

seven years pass...

http://www.nme.com/photos/what-killed-britpop-12-theories-from-radiohead-to-tony-blair/361650/1/1

― Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Friday, 26 December 2014 19:31 (ten years ago)

Best part of Britpop = those bands who 'wanted nothing to do with it' yet road the coattails anyway, as they knew no one would care otherwise

― Master of Treacle, Saturday, 27 December 2014 00:43 (ten years ago)

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