marquee moon by Television

Ahh, Marquee Moon. Is there anything it can't do?

Adventure, I love all of it. Now the title track is there, "The Dream's Dream" isn't quite such a 'wanders off and gets lost' ending to the album.

In other words, 'rockism' is what I do every time I get on ILX!

hahah, just kidding! sort of. But yeah, it's way lame. Bimble, your opinion, your reaction to music -the way it impacts your life - is as valid as any of these cockfarming rock critics who post on these boards. Believe dat.

That is very true. Hell critics get free music -- i trust the opinion of someone who has paid over someone who gets things for free!

Track one) Roadrunner
Track two) Up the Bracket

and so on...

scott, what is it you prefer about the ROIR tape? I'm curious because I have it and I find it nearly unlistenable. What am I missing?

Yeah, rockism="It's gotta rock!" and "It might be good, but it still sucks because it doesn't rock!"

Best definition evah???

i've had the felt records for years, and up until recently i couldn't be bothered to be to inquisitive about them as people.

also the idea that authenticity is the gold standard of everything good and meaningful, that something new will almost always be inferior to something time-tested and "classic," that there are two categories, rock and "everything else," and nothing in the second category so much as exists in the rockist consciousness unless it (a) serves as a constant antagonist to all that is good and meaningful in music (b) brushes up against rock in some way that validates it.

this is all pretty reductive but it's a good place to start.

Oh gosh, unlistenable, really? I always thought that tape sounded fine. I really fell in love with those versions when I first heard them. I had the Blow-Up tape and then the cd, but i think i sold the cd so i can't listen to it right now, but i just remember it being so tense and powerful. It kinda made me wish that i had a cd that was nothing but old live versions of those two songs. The studio versions never hit me half as hard.

No, it isn't.

Search function is being spazzy so I couldn't find the Television C/D thread. This one will have to suffice.

Anyway, I dunno if it's common knowledge that the Television show in Central Park on Saturday was announced as Richard Lloyd's last. RL is severing his ties with the band to pursue more solo stuff.

Thing is, Lloyd went into intensive care with pneumonia in both lungs on June 1st and is still hospitalized & on breathing apparatus, though there has apparently been significant improvement since his admittance.

I hope he gets to go home soon. Very worrying.

the last couple months have been exceedingly odd for Mr. Lloyd. Has he gone off the deep end?
here's his strange announcement re: his split with Television & his new apparently amazing (that's what he says anyway) record

Dear Marquee Moon mailing list members:

First of all, thank you for your continued support of our band and its members. Although I read the list from time to time, and I notice it is a worship altar for the works of Tom Verlaine, I have never minded, because for 34 years within Television, I practiced a kind of magical invisibility -- you could look at me on stage and think that what I was doing was being done by Tom. Of course, I took my own solos etc., but nonetheless I practiced a real yogic invisibility so that the band would have one leader and one central visionary.

A man cannot ride two horses. I am a great believer in my newest record which is about to come out, and I think it is as important a record as anything ever released -- not more important, but equal to absolutely anything you can name in rock-and-roll history. It deserves my full attention and support.

I'm going to ask the mailing list members a question. It's a rhetorical question, and thereafter I will answer it myself: have any of you ever made a New Year's resolution? Have any of you that have made a New Year's resolution kept your promise to yourself for the entire year? I dare say that not many of you can answer yes to this. Well, I made a vow in 1973 to subsume my will and my own personal charisma behind Tom, in order that Television have one face and one leader showing to the public. At times this vow was very difficult on me. I suffered public embarrassment and had to hide my own gregariousness and generosity behind a band identity that was nick-named "the ice kings of rock."

Now that I have announced my severance from any involvement in the band Television, the other three are free to get a fourth member should they like, and continue under the name. That was our original agreement and I stand by. I am a man of my word. I gave my word to myself and I kept my vow or 35 years. Now I am released from that vow and can reveal my own talents and force. I hope you will join me on an exciting adventure, which is more social phenomenon than musical, the music just being a part of my plans to conquer the earth and make the earthlings be nice to one another.

Please refrain from mentioning the name of my forthcoming record. Please do not mention the phrase. This will assist me in my well thought about promotional campaign. There will be no advance copies sent to journalists. There will be small listening parties and the record will be being played at my shows. But if you do not get a copy directly from me, you don't get one.

Sincerely yours,
Richard

hmmm?

It doesn't bother me in the slightest about starting a new thread, or posting on this one, but here's the one you're looking for:

television: classic or dud? search and destroy

sad..

: (

i dunno, i find his whole reason for quitting Television bizarre. Is there a single review of the band out there that doesn't mention Lloyd? You know, "... the scintillating guitar interplay between Verlaine and Lloyd ..."? That sorta thing? Anybody even casually familiar with the band knows that it wasn't just the Tom Verlaine Band. It also just seems weird to be quitting a band that plays a handful of times a year, if that. Personally, it bums me out because I never got a chance to see the band in any incarnation, and they're definitely one of my faves. Wonder what'll happen to all that new material they've been playing the last few years? Some of it was pretty solid.

isn't verlaine a massive a-hole?

I would class him as very very prickly and deeply contrarian. Which may = asshole on certain occasions.

This is neither here nor there; but in the context of Television, I for one always liked Lloyd's soloing more than Verlaine's. (And felt vindicated after hearing him hold his own with Robert Quine on those early '90s Matthew Sweet records.)

But yeah, those remarks up there: wtf?

I've read a few reports on Lloyd's recent east coast tour -- sounds like he's doing some sort of weird performance art thing, with chanting in aramaic, berating audience members and multiple Jimi Hendrix covers. While I love the guy in Television, I've never been able to get into his solo stuff ... But anyway, this all seems a bit odd. I interviewed the guy a few years back (when those Rhino reissues came out) and he seemed like a pretty regular guy and was (rightfully) proud of his work in Television. But now his Web site is filled with weird pseudo-mystical rants and writings -- it's hard to tell whether it's all an elaborate pu-on or utterly sincere.

Another of his announcements, from last month:

After the possible Summer stage show in New York City on June 16, which is to be announced by the city of New York on May 15, Richard Lloyd will, after 34 years, be amicably severing all ties with the band Television, in order that he may concentrate his magnetic force and supernatural energies upon his own career in support of his forthcoming record, due out in the fall. This new record directly competes with Marquee Moon, Axis: Bold as Love, The Doors, Patti Smith's Horses, Bob Marley's Natty Dread, Neil Young's Harvest, or any other record you can name, as one of the greatest records ever made in the history of rock 'n roll. That being so, Richard needs to concentrate all of his energies to support it and its subsidiary philosophies.

so this show if it happens is gonna be a fiasco?

and then there's this interview:
http://www.rocktownhall.com/blogs/index.php?p=566&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#more5
he's gotta be at least sort of kidding. right?

Please refrain from mentioning the name of my forthcoming record. Please do not mention the phrase. This will assist me in my well thought about promotional campaign.

^^^ i like this very much

so this show if it happens is gonna be a fiasco?

Actually, not quite. If it happens at all I imagine they'll draft in Jimmy Rip to play 2nd guitar. He's been solo-act Tom Verlaine's 2nd guitarist live and on most records for over 20 years, and he knows most of the TV songs from live sets. He's a great foil for Tom, but not at all in the same style as Lloyd. Rip is more of an atmospheric scene-painter for Verlaine's foreground action. They have great chemistry on stage together.

But there will be serious umbrage if a Television concert happens with Rip instead of LLoyd, that's for sure. Don't see how else it can go through, though, and I don't imagine it's easy to reschedule a free Central Park gig.

verlaine should hire j. mascis.

that interview is crazee

"The original LP had 09:58, i believe (off the top of my head)...."

Wow Mark, you remember the duration of individual tracks on favourite LP's? I bow down in humble admiration at the feet of true music-obsessive greatness!

Ha, just cause I looked longingly at that "Marquee Moon" 12" single for so long, back in the day. It was one of the first 12" singles made, and certainly the first "rock" one that justified its existance for the length of the track!

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/217715.jpg

Look! Here's one!

Lloyd leaving is a bummer…I dunno if I'd wanna see Television it's all skronky Verlainisms and no Lloyd hot licks: the contrast on MM is Lloyd solo at 2:58; Verlainisms at 4:51…Lloyd does ALL the heavy lifting…

Ack. I was planning on going to the show this Saturday. Lloyd, despite his apparent delusions of grandeur, is my favorite part of that band. Someone please tell me he'll be there.

I'm going no matter what.

How much ahead of time do you usually have to show up for Summerstage shows in order to get a decent patch of ground?

Can't help you, haven't ever been to one. Maybe some of these enlightened ILM folks can be more helpful.

was in a shop where they were playing it last week. Have been unable to remove it from my turntable since. I just love guitars with that clean sound that cross each other rhythmically.

I played it last week (the new remaster with the 'alt mixes' added)

I have revised my opinion of "Torn Curtain", it's fine but the fade out is about 2 mins too long (or so it seems)...

The Radiant Monkey.

oops.

A 12-year old looking Tom Verlaine and his black beret playing Marquee Moon in 1985: not the best version ever, but still good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYFn8NUicY4

still not tired of this song

ditto

those arpeggiated dueling guitars in the bridge are the meaning of life imo

that live version is pretty sick

yeah the 80s versions of marquee are off the hook

i've always loved "torn curtain". it's so ott, like a melodramatic showtune or something. the way the guitar is just practically screaming at the end

tempting (un poco)

hee hee! would buy if it was the spanish language version. sobre de la marquesina lunaaaa ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS27RAXhBWQ

misspelled bryan uno's name there.

wow that's a lot more velvetsy

WEIRD. The timing of the doodle-oodle-oodle-oo guitar licks is completely different.
Also, I didn't know the Eno mixes were kicking around.
Also, this sounds lousy in comparison! Very interesting.
Also, 7 years late, but the connection between Felt and Television is spelled out on Felt's song "Mobile Shack" off "Me and a Monkey on the Moon":

Working in a shop is a dead end job
I left after eight weeks, it was just as well
'Cause coming up behind me like a high speed train
Was the new york city new wave, Verlaine/Hell

I was born in the back of a mobile shack
And my mother said to me son: "Play guitar"

the demos were done w/ richard hell, and he just was not the right bass player for television. it's amazing how much they improved once fred smith was in the band. i like the hell-era recordings, but they're a different kinda thing. always funny to me that the bnd claimed that doodle oodle oo riff was inspired by the horn lick on james brown's "i feel good." also that they thought they could get away w/ splitting up "little johnny jewel" on a seven inch because james brown did that all the time. james brown -- television's secret influence!

sort of crazy that in a world with dozens of shitty sounding stooges recordings released officially they've never put the eno demos out.

now that's the straight up legit truth. also, at the end of the day, richard hell = meh.

whosoever wants the eno demos: http://ow.ly/5L6xd
(that's the classic double exposure bootleg, it's got the eno demos + other odds n ends)

whoah. thanks, tyler!

no prob (just grabbed the link from another blog). i remember wanting that bootleg SO BAD back in the days before the internet made it all available. i saw it once in NYC but could not afford it and felt like dying. memories.

the drumming is a lot more james brown/can-esque on that version too.

http://www.crawdaddy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/3313marqueemoon.jpg
just got this in the mail -- haven't really gotten too far, but the author seems to know what he's talking about.

You can imagine how *I* felt on finding a Double Exposure album for not stupid money....

i think this is the first time i've ever actually played this album. right now. i went outside for a cigarette during "marquee moon" though. it's still going. i never had a copy. someone brought in the 4 men with beards reissue. reissue is kinda noisy.

still like the roir tape live versions better. like way better. i mean, i've probably heard all these songs at some point in my life. i only really like three songs by them. (friction, mm, ljj)

Scott, try to hear the Live At The Old Waldorf LP which Rhino Handmade put out, it's shit-hot like the ROIR but good radio broadcast sound.

I never liked Television much until I heard the Brian Eno demo bootleg versions of a few of the songs from Marquee Moon. Richard Hell on bass, much more raw energy, only reaffirms for me the fact that the album sounds kind of flat.

Skot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjEFuUNc3Uc&feature=related

Scott, do you not like Foxhole?

xp this is known as the Enoic Challops iirc

Someone Find that TOTP appearance!

enoic challops indeed. those eno demos are good but imo nowhere near the grandeur of marquee moon.
gonna be posting a collection of hell-era television recordings on my blog soon. what should i call it? The Hell Year? Hellevision? Season In Hell?

I guess it comes down to Whichever version you heard first.

here's that "foxhole" from the old grey whistle test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sCQ0hEYhZE

It's nice that exists, sure.

But, apparently they did "Prove It" on totp but the tapes are wiped.

And I know nobody that remembers it!

oh ha, never knew they were on top of the pops. a shame, i think that foxhole is the only pro footage of the band in the 70s....

that OGWT clip is great. forgotten how shaky the vocals were though (apart from the fred and richard bit at the end!)

Tom V's live vocals have always sucked, p much. I mean, I like them, but I really can't defend them...

i believe that the waldorf thing is good. they were just way better live. still think they really only had 3 good to great songs though. the whole 2nd side of marquee moon doesn't do much for me. but the whole first side is cool. i was never a richard hell fan either. except for quine, obviously. i dunno, i like all the other big cbgb bands way more. i'm sure they were a revelation to new wavers or whatever back then. but to me at this late date...yeah, they were fine. i mean, they could never do to me what the groundhogs or thin lizzy do to me. as far as guitar bands go. and groundhogs sound way more punk rock and new wave (circa 1972) to me as well. (i always liked the song "marquee moon" going back years. everyone likes it. great riff. catchy. fun to listen to.)

I really should have got that Waldorf thing when it came out...

and rilly i'm not trying to start a television fight. it just occurred to me putting that on today that i had never owned a copy! or been in a room when someone played the whole thing.

it's available from iTunes and other MP3 services, just not physically anymore. It's the second best Television album.

I think it's on Spotify

It's not challops! I found the song Friction, e.g., really really boring until I heard that version.

I do like the coinage though

careful, enoic challops are a slippery slope to coldplay

this my favourite, like, everything record

yeah i know people have strong feelings about it. that's why i wanted to point out that i wasn't, like, trolling or whatever. BUT i can still be critical here. i hope.

i haven't heard much television live but the few videos i saw were kind of disappointing, they have to stand so still and concentrate so hard to play those guitar parts, i always imagined them doing, like, spazzy angular dances or something

The redoubtable Doom and Gloom from the Tomb site has put up some really great Television boots. The Portland show from the Earth Tavern blows the Waldorf Show (from the night before?) out of the water. Much rawer and more rocking versions of tunes from Adventure. And for an audience of about 50 from what I can tell!

the earth tavern show rules too but i think they are equal just different vibes on each night IMO

plus....the sound quality on the waldorf show goes a long way, damn near studio quality, portland is on the rough side (which actually fits the performance)

p much with you, scott. television to me are a band of a few great songs, a couple great live recordings. but when they're on, they're fucking ON.

I think it's on Spotify

― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 20:40 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think, correctly.

mmmmm! It's a bit good, innit?

still like the roir tape live versions better. like way better.

back in the days when cassetes were still a going concern an ilxor promised to tape me that, never got round to it.

But i should...

That's on Spotify as well.

as is obvious from my blog, this band is top 10 for me, if pressed, i might even say marquee moon is my fave rock n roll album ever.

i haven't heard much television live but the few videos i saw were kind of disappointing, they have to stand so still and concentrate so hard to play those guitar parts, i always imagined them doing, like, spazzy angular dances or something
http://www.richardhell.com/jumptv1.jpg
think they were a little spazzy, at least w/ hell in the band, judging from this pic.

haha that's awesome

if anyone's interested, i just posted that hellevision comp mentioned above: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/18962115402/television-a-season-in-hell-soooo-heres-a
some of it's been around the block a bit, but there are some rare-ish things, too.

I am missing something again.

I bought it mid 80s

Revisited since, plenty of times.

Still not great.

say why though.

tylerw - excellent comp, thanks, making my way through now. Loving the baselines. Ficca is fkn fine too.

Be interesting to hear a full album's worth of Marque Moon versions, maybe...

on the occasion of its 40th birthday

https://damienlove.com/writing/friction-the-making-of-televisions-marquee-moon

sweet - thx!

very nice

Yeah, this was a wonderful read, thanks! I loved this part:

Tom came up with this idea, based on double-features at the movies: two bands each night. Never more, never less. Each would play two sets. So, on one night, you’d have Talking Heads, then Television, then Talking Heads, then Television.

I have never seen this done, and I think it's a great idea.

When I saw Television's tour nearly 3 years ago, they had some new songs, and I thought there were plans for a new album. Any word on that?

ha, well, read that Lloyd article linked above -- they've been talking about a new album (and playing various new songs) for well over a decade now.

jimmy ripp has basically said it's done except for the vocals

verlaine is such an odd case -- i wonder if he'll ever write a memoir of any kind.

ha, well, read that Lloyd article linked above -- they've been talking about a new album (and playing various new songs) for well over a decade now.

― tylerw

don't they just do "persia" for 20 minutes at every show?

yeah that might be the only new thing they do these days. in the early 00s, there were a bunch of things (handily compiled here): http://www.earcandyarchive.com/?p=24

I wish tom v would write a memoir... as i've made clear i am a bit obsessed with him. There's no way he's ever gonna do it though. He never will, because we want him to. He can barely stand to be interviewed, even.

yeah it's unlikely, though I think someone asked him about it (maybe after the Richard Hell book came out?) and he said he was thinking about it.

he likes to think about doing things, does our tom

haha yeah, i just wonder if he saw patti's book getting on the bestseller lists and thought "hey, i could do that!" probably just a matter of some publisher making a big enough offer ... which is probably not going to happen.

Looks like the 2003 expanded remaster of Adventure is OOP, is the MM from the same edition.
Shame would hope they'd try to keep both in print.

yeah the last CD reissues of the debut and Adventure were from 2003 (along with the essential live at the old waldorf disc). maybe the ship has sailed, but there really should be a Television boxed set of some kind.

I actually bought the third album in Oxfam this weekend! £1.99 !

On CD, I should say.

I love that album

I didn't, really. I bought it on LP when it came out, it had that eighties reverb that they'd avoided with the other albums, and the songs didn't connect with me apart from "Call Mr Lee". Also, lots of other records about at the time.

Not played it yet, will let you know.

I know, you can't wait, right?

These are Television fans. They can wait.

This is all I could find from a lengthy, now deleted blog post by Steve Kilbey, singer from The Church. He toured with Tom Verlaine and wrote at length about it, not in a particularly flattering way.

i met one of my all time heroes
tom verlaine (nee miller)
he came on tour with us in 1988
he was a strange dude
penny pinching hilarious sarcastic weird man
nothing like what i expected
he treated me like a pesky kid
and i still vividly remember one day in the dead of winter
somewhere in the north east
we pulled into this hotel at about 6 am
verlaine rings me up 1o minutes after we check in
hey kilbey....you wanna go for a uh walk
ok tom i'll be right there
we walk to the top of this hill
where theres a kinda resovoir or something
and then we see a couple of cars of black guys
with some nasty looking deal going down
and we start running
theyre chasing us
so we run into these woods
and verlaine is sprinting down this snowy wooded hill
like a prize stallion
while i on my shorter legs struggled along behind
i thinkin how weird this is
escaping from these villains with a guy i used to idolize
(and fiends, marquee moon IS one of the best records ever)
later i meet his mom n dad
outside a gig in philly
and his mom says
you make sure tom writes to me

haha that's great.
for the 40th anniversary of Marquee Moon, I traced the title track's development (via rehearsals/demos/live tapes) -- http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1438-televisions-punk-epic-marquee-moon-40-years-later/

I dunno, that's reasonably flattering, the guy actually acknowledges support band singers existence. That's not bad going from any headliner.

Wowee...can't wait to dig into that. Looks amazing.

xp

So, where is that Portland 17 minute version, then?

thanks, man, let me know what you think ...
there's at least one version of the Church covering "Cortez the Killer" with Verlaine on guitar floating around ... iirc it's not quite as good as it sounds in theory, but it's cool.

xp -- it's embedded in the article? showing up for me at least ...

Ah, will have to, later. Ta.

heads on the hunt for Television rarities should go here: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/tagged/television

I dunno, that's reasonably flattering, the guy actually acknowledges support band singers existence. That's not bad going from any headliner.

I believe Tom Verlaine was opening for The Church. I wish I could find the rest of the post, but it's gone. I do remember him saying how TV would obsessively pour over lunch bills, and howl if he overpaid by as much as 25 cents.

penny pinching hilarious sarcastic weird man
nothing like what i expected

That's exactly what I would have expected tbh.

verlaine is such an odd case -- i wonder if he'll ever write a memoir of any kind.

yeah, they are both weirdos. if they didn't play guitar so well together, they probably would have never spoken to one another.

I believe Tom Verlaine was opening for The Church. I wish I could find the rest of the post, but it's gone

https://web.archive.org/web/20060630060143/http://stevekilbey.blogspot.com/2006/06/one-soft-infested-summer.html

I played that third album today..

I remember now: it wasn't the 'modern production values', it was the feeling that it all (well, 90% of it) could be a Lloyd Cole and the Commotions album, songwriting, vocals,the lot.

i like the third album just fine, but i highly recommend tracking down the Live at the Academy 1992 disc they sold at shows for a minute ... think it's even on Spotify.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI4ve8KkO0I

Having read Lloyd's piece, I found myself sympathising with Verlaine though that clearly wasn't the intent.

I saw them on the self-titled album tour, down in Washington DC. I had to go by myself, nobody was interested. But holy cow, it was one of the greatest shows I have ever seen. They were just so intense.

Fast forward about a decade later, I saw them again in NY. This time I had a bunch of friends. We left about 30 minutes into it. Slow, dull, no energy and they took about 10 minutes between each song to retune.

My friend put it best, "Tom Verlaine seems like he'd rather be playing shuffleboard."

I love that kilbey blog post
He hasn't deleted his blog in general has he?

Discogs has a French promo single, unissued tracks, dated just after the issue of the third album.

Anyone know anything about it? Or is it a bunchafibs?

https://img.discogs.com/mbfz_8LScBRlDZUpOaPGUqfgjMw=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-2839065-1303387370.jpeg.jpg

Tracklist .

1 The Revolution 3:13
2 Big Jo 0:35
3 Hoo

I have found a review, which I nick and repeat here:

This was released with copies of the Self-titled album when it came out in some French department store. It's extremely rare, so naturally one would wonder: is it any good?

Unfortunately no.

All of the tracks are spoken word. The first two are intermittently interesting to listen to one time but are total garbage. Not even songs. The last one sounds like Captain Beefheart or something, spoken word with an occasional song part thrown in. I love some of his music so maybe I'm too kind towards this, because I think with about a minute cut off, it'd be a decent song.

Also the drum sound is shockingly good. These two things each raise the rating by half a star. The last official Television studio release, and it's a complete throwaway -they clearly didn't take this release seriously-. Shame Tom Verlaine lost his mind, they were one of my favorite bands of all time. Hell, the live bootleg from around 2002 of unreleased tracks ("Call Mr. Lloyd" is the name and you can listen to it here: http://www.earcandyarchive.com/?p=24 ) is fantastic, so they clearly could make a successful comeback if they wanted. Sadly Tom is so nuts he hears aural flaws nobody else does whenever he tries to make a new album with the band. Resulting in: an excessively sterile/muted sound (on self-titled he'd only gotten to this stage), some huge fit, and lastly him scrapping everything they'd just recorded. A new album was supposed to come out around 2010 I think but it's now 2016 and not a word has been heard from him aside from occasional live shows... which used to be fantastic but are slowly getting worse.

May he find peace.

"Hoo" is 04:56 btw

that Revolution single isn't all that bad, but it's not a hidden classic or anything -- sounds like half-finished leftovers from the s/t sessions. Definitely not worth the $90 they're asking on Discogs.

A nice post-script to the evolution of "Marquee Moon" would be the live 13:58 version from the 1982 live disc on The Miller's Tale comp, just because the recording is so good, and an interesting example of Verlaine solo.

I think its the same as on the 12" b-side of "The funniest thing"

Edit: Apparently not, its from 1987, but its still good though.

Oh, "Revolution"is on it!

Riiiiight....

Yeah, that 1982 gig is stellar. I think Tyler has some bootlegs that are equal to it on his site.

This one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMOyNTk5WZM

6-4-82 at the Ritz does not quite have the sound quality of the millers tale gig but the intensity is even higher. On that MM, Verlaine takes a striking unaccompanied solo.

Bowery Ballroom 2006 is also a fantastic Verlaine band live recording showing what that year's songs album could do

i wrote the script for this little marquee moon video -- they found a few cool pics i hadn't seen before
http://pitchfork.com/tv/56-liner-notes/1967-explore-televisions-marquee-moon-in-5-minutes/

nice!

That's awesome Tyler!

thanks, jon -- obviously nothing too revelatory for heads, but I think they did a nice job with it...

love this pic of Lloyd -- i assume it was taken some time towards the end of "Satisfaction"

https://68.media.tumblr.com/6c6b74a08980bc2a01ddc7bd953b2af1/tumblr_inline_oocqdmtQEH1qzx4na_1280.jpg

lol

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Did he. . . did he even listen to the album?

not sure anyone who’s seen the elegantly cadaverous band on the cover of the record would want any more ‘flesh tones’ than there are on there already tbh

Seems this LP and Wire’s Pink Flag we’re very heavily discussed as rock classics 20 years or so ago, and maybe not as much these days?

Are any rock classics heavily discussed these days?

The Thing

I was interested in who "N.C." might be, and after looking around a bit, found a site that archives Stereo Review for forty years:

http://www.americanradiohistory.com/HiFI-Stereo-Review.htm

Only recognized one name on the masthead circa 1977 (Steve Simels), but looks like Bangs reviewed records for them for a time. He reviews Bob Marley and Peter Tosh in the September '77 issue, also the Ramones in an earlier issue (the pages are missing on that one).

N.C. = 'Noel Coppage'

also some sweet reviews of rumours and lust for life in that thread

title track is the closest a new york band ever got to Wishbone Ash

Bangs was writing for Stereo Review at least as early as 1974, as he reviewed Quadrophenia.

Good review...They've got a search button in the top right where you can look up Bangs, or specific albums. The other thing I love is all those old Marantz and Pioneer ads. I used to look at those ads as a teenager like someone else might look at Mercedes and Porsche ads.

http://www.magazine-advertisements.com/uploads/2/1/8/4/21844100/marantz-electronics-1-1.jpg

Holy crap, $1285 today is around $7000 (and $298 just over $1600).

See No Evil just came on in Shooters Sports n Shorts bar in Leeds and I'm amazed.

xpost you could get a hell of a nice integrated stereo amp today for $1285!

The Marantz, though, came with the TK421 modification, which they'd do right in the store. You don't get that anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La3U41b0WSU

haha, great clip

That is funny. Where is it from?

Boogie Nights

haha, I'd totally forgotten about that scene, and it's not too far off from the Marantz ad copy (Gyro-Touch tuning! Built-in oscilloscope!)

To be fair, Marantz is a pretty solid investment.

Oh, I agree. I found a cheap used 1030 a few years ago, and it sounded great/worked perfectly for a few years. Tank-like, too (until one of the channels died).

Sorry, Marquee Moon, people love you and you will get your thread back soon...I started looking into where the company was now and came across this ad testifying to those tank-like qualities.

http://www.ca.marantz.com/Assets/Images/1974_Marantz_fire_ad.jpg

https://www.theringer.com/music/2022/4/13/23022787/television-marquee-moon-tom-verlaine-richard-hell

With Lloyd doubling his parts, the effect was noir-cool as opposed to exploitation-flick-thrilling

have we not talked about this here yet?!?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC9CyoMJq94

holy shit

*extremely ny italian accent* dats a lotta marquee moons ova heah

There is a moment when the crowd in Buenos Aires starts singing the riff back at the band that is otherworldly

I mentioned this on bluesky but my favorite solos might the ones from the 80s where it seems like he's trying to take the song apart and then put it back to together but lots of great stuff, also weirdly by the end I felt like it still wasn't long enough

holy smokes!

I did think it was was odd that nobody here jumped all over this when it made the rounds almost a month ago…

I was at the Verlaine Tramps show in 96, TV at the Metro in 2001*, at Irving Plaza 2002 and SummerStage 07; that last one was a few days after Lloyd quit for the final time. Jesus, I feel like a goddamn deadhead! anybody else at any of the shows in the video?

*Lloyd broke a string during the first attempt at MM, took an insanely long time to restring and tune, and Smith and Ficca joined Verlaine in staring daggers at him; the succeeding pass at MM, obv the last song of the set, was truly anticlimactic, those two guys clearly very much sided with T.V.

another cool television thing that popped up earlier this year — a soundboard of the band in 2004: https://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/753635829776252928/television-roseland-new-york-city-october-2

i didn't see this before, otherwise i woulda been all over it! so cool!

Spotify has a live Television gig from around the time of the third album, the new tracks sound better than the LP, and the few picks from the first two are also fine.

Good, that there are versions of the otherwise lost tracks that might have made album four, so that's tomorrow's commute sorted!

The Verlaine show at Bowery ballroom after songs and other things was released was so great

Excited about that 2004 board bc I saw them that year and they killed

some messy moments, but it's mostly nice! also some good examples of verlaine being totally cranky onstage.

I was just listening to the London 2004 show a couple of days ago, with all the “newies” on it

Billy Ficca is so damn good. Glad they quickly changed where the second guitar fell rhythmically in the main riff. I do prefer the noodling of the first demo to the album version tho

Saw Billy Ficca’s name and thought this would be about The Waitresses and “Christmas Wrapping.”

There is a moment when the crowd in Buenos Aires starts singing the riff back at the band that is otherworldly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBCVsVKU4O4

*Lloyd broke a string during the first attempt at MM, took an insanely long time to restring and tune, and Smith and Ficca joined Verlaine in staring daggers at him; the succeeding pass at MM, obv the last song of the set, was truly anticlimactic, those two guys clearly very much sided with T.V.

One of my most vivid concert memories, the band kind of sticking in a holding pattern while Lloyd took his time. Like, didn't they even have a roadie?

Everyone else : You cannot sing along to an instrumental
Brazil : Hold my football!