The Prodigy - Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned

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so what does everybody think of it?
i think it's better then fat of the land but not as good as music for the gilted generation

― My Underwear Is Melting (My Underwear Is Melting), Sunday, 18 July 2004 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

It's absolute shit, frankly.

― broken witch, Sunday, 18 July 2004 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

first single is false advertising, mannn

― Scott Warner (thream), Sunday, 18 July 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

is it leaked or is it already officially released?

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 18 July 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it out yet?

Someone tell me: why is Juliette Lewis on it? Didn't Liam see the video for Melissa Ethridge's "Come to My Window" or the truly abortive sci-fi flick she did with Ralph Fiennes? Ick, Ick and thrice Ick.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 18 July 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"Baby's Got a Temper" was quite crap, actually,...although I didn't mind Keith Flint's solo single, "Asteroid". Why do I presume I'm alone in this appreciation?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 18 July 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i reckon the new single sounds like Chemical Brothers leftovers from the mid 90s

the Prodigy album gets reviewed by OMM/ Observer Music Monthly
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/reviews/story/0,13875,1261357,00.html

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 18 July 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

it's embarassing and totally irrelevant

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 18 July 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

it's embarassing and totally irrelevant

Sadly, this seems rather accurate.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 18 July 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

a dire record.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 18 July 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I've only heard Girls and Memphis Bells, and quite like both. What's wrong with the rest of the album? (Apart from sounding like the Chemical Brothers, which I suppose should be enough).

― minolta (minolta), Sunday, 18 July 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

it's tiring and totally uninspired

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 18 July 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't insult the Chemical Brothers, they've moved with the times and moved far away from the gloopy crap on the new Prodigy album.

They are still capable of credible releases, and of another good album, mainly because their ability to gauge the state of play in dance is cannier than most of the other big acts. So "Come With Us" seemed a curious thing at the time of release, in hindsight the subtlety of it is what makes it so strong.

I look forward to hearing their new album. Nude Night and the Kylie remix were both great and tracky and judging by the new tracks at the live show they still have something to offer.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 18 July 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely the album title is just encouraging people to try and outgun The Prodigy? I think this is enflaming gun culture and is very irresponsible.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 18 July 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I wasn't at all excited about this until I heard that Princess Superstar and Twista were on it... are even their tracks dire? I like "Girls", I've only heard it a couple of times though.

― The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 18 July 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"girls" would be more acceptable if a second or third-tier act on wall of sound or skint had done it.

― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 18 July 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Girls > Get Yourself High

only heard the first three tracks - i suppose 'Spitfire' is 'dated' and it's something that would appeal to younger Korn or RATM (voice sounds a lot like Zach) fans more than those who liked the band ten years ago.

'Memphis Bells' starts well and there's some interesting things here and there. i'm reluctant to pan it as much as people are here - think people are being curiously OTT in criticism but i'm not going to sing it's praises myself.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Sunday, 18 July 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"girls" would be more acceptable if a second or third-tier act on wall of sound or skint had done it.

this reads two ways but i agree in that if a lesser known act had come out with it it almost certainly wouldn't be slagged off (or perhaps praised) as much.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Sunday, 18 July 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

ie acceptable = accepted

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Sunday, 18 July 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

replace "or perhaps praised" with "or played on the radio" and that's what i was getting at.

― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 18 July 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

well Prodigy is a big name so like all popular acts of course they'll get airplay irrespective of whether you like the track or not

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Sunday, 18 July 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

on another note, my friends who got really into the prodigy when "fat of the land" came out were generally korn and rage fans. i listened to basic channel, they listened to rap rock, and we could agree on prodigy, leftfield and underworld. for some reason though they held the chems at arm's length with daft punk.

― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 18 July 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

odd that they would like Leftfield and Underworld but not the Chems.

but yeh despite the absence of Keith and a more electro-vibe the album still feels targetted mainly for teenage nu-metal casualties which would explain why both Ronan and Alex In NYC are not feeling it, heh

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Sunday, 18 July 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Brilliant reked, I say. But then again, in this arena, I am always outnumbered, never outgunned.

― maria b (maria b), Sunday, 18 July 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure it sucks. I hate when titles try and make the band seem 'really hard'. I mean, I wouldn't like to pagga with that weird looking bloke though, but only 'cause it looks like he has rabies/aids and might try and bite me. Hasselhoff Experiment's 'Always Outnumbered, Always Outgunned' is a better title.

― Sasha (sgh), Sunday, 18 July 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

And which is the original title of the Walter Mosley book the Prod have mangled. I suspect they failed to pick up on the subtleties of his collection of Socratic ghetto stories.

― snotty moore, Sunday, 18 July 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

'Never Outnumbered, Always Outgunned' would be a good one too. Possibly.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 19 July 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

test it out over here

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 July 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

why do both of the new songs remind me of freq nasty??

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 19 July 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

TOP TIP

Prodigy fans; simply twist a bit of rolled up newspaper and dip it in petrol. Hey presto! A Twisted Firestarter! Perfect for barbeques, bonfires, etc.

― Sasha (sgh), Monday, 19 July 2004 06:31 (twenty-one years ago)

'Always Outnumbered, Always Outgunned'
'Never Outnumbered, Always Outgunned'

LOOSERS

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder how frustrated Howlett has been with the fact it seems to take him so long to ever get anything together. In the time he has released four albums Norman Cook and Moby have released six and five respectively which doesn't actually seem that big a gap but their albums were all bigger and they courted the limelight much more in by DJing, turning up to awards all the time and giving interviews more readily. seven years between albums is insane really. if he'd just let it flow as he did between the first two then things like 'Memphis Bells' with it's obvious modern hip-hop rhythmic influence and 'Girls' would've fared much better as they were surely begun two to three years ago. the other thing that's always been funny to think about is what if he'd found someone to work with and it was a solid production duo behind the music ala Chems, Jaxx, Daft Punk, Orbital and pretty much every other big British dance act of the last fifteen years. It would surely have meant there would be a lot more material out there with the Prodigy name. This point may at least highlight why the Chemical Brothers or whoever are perceived as still having an edge where Howlette does not, tho I'm not entirely convinced by that (not sure how well another Chems or Underword album is going to fare with me based on the relative banality/ordinariness of their recent output but that's just me).

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

good call vahid, they ARE very like freq nasty, the whole record is. I still prefer one or two of his tracks to anything on the Prodigy album though. Whatever that old one that used to get booted with Public Enemy was.

I never said Underworld still have "it" or whatever, I don't think they do and I'd be pleasantly surprised by a new album from them being any good, or at least being relevant, I guess in Underworld's case I could imagine them going off on an interesting tangent.

But the Chemical Brothers, well it's like I said, there was praise from all corners for that Kylie remix, from people whom you'd not expect to bother with the Chemical Brothers as well as from fans. And crucially it was played in clubs and it was a REMIX. Can you imagine the Prodigy remixing anything?

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Or vice versa, anyone remixing them?

Regardless of quality, that simple fact proves their distance from dance culture. The Chemical Brothers will still release a single and it will have high profile remixers on it cos it'll still be intended for clubs.

fwiw I think Star Guitar is close to their best track ever anyway.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Underworld could go more Air-like, which might be nice if not 'interesting' perhaps

i think for breaks/electro DJs NOT to play 'Girls' would be a bit daft myself (but i don't know what the latest cool breaks tracks are so maybe they are a bit more advanced/'new'/whatever)

Howlett has done remixes so of course I can imagine them (club cred more debatable). Nothing recent tho granted but I've always wished he would do more. Can't remember a Prodigy remix since DJ Hype's mix of 'Smack My Bitch Up' - yes he seems reluctant to permit remixes - arrogance? preciousness? maybe!

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)

fwiw I think Star Guitar is close to their best track ever anyway.

probably one of the best for me too. the main difference I've noticed with the Chemical Brothers over the years is the move from fuzzy sample-heavy (even just the funk snares or whatever) bombast to the more microtronic refined clubby style - but I really liked that new thing I heard at Glastonbury with the dramatic schizoid martial-arts fanfare type thing.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Dance music aficionados are talking about acts being "relevant" = dance music actually is dead.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

so what are people going to dance to now?

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Just to clarify, the above snotty statement is supposed to be shorthand for "The path of this conversation indicates to me more than anything else that dance music has taken those initial steps down the path of codification and conservative stultification (where 'conservative' does not describe the sound palattes used but rather the framework upon which the music is built and the 'rules' used to determine whether something is good or bad) that have happened classical, jazz and rock, pushing its maturity level as a genre to a different yet familiar place."

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan that's such utter arse, dance music began without any acts like the Prodigy remember?

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd love to see you actually argue how the Prodigy are relevant rather than simply big up the dusty carousel horses of the fairground that is your "relevant dance music"

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

it's funny cos when 'Drukqs' came out i don't recall much criticism for an off-the-wall expression from James that i found to be mostly unappealing in that i would never want to listen to it that much (maybe just a handful of the tracks - but then i was never THAT big on Aphex Twin tho i would concede he's an extraordinary talent). he's outside the dance mainstream still if not outside everything but the connection is - apart from their shared broodiness and perfectionism over releasing material - he's classed as established elder of the entire 'scene' or movement - he came from rural rave just as Howlett did tho where they may once have been on a similar trajectory this long ceased to be the case. maybe the difference is just that 'Drukqs' can be seen as offering something so off-the-wall even tho much of it sounded like APhex by numbers. AONU may seem like Howlett-by-numbers then tho obv. with more obvious dancefloor orientation. Ronan claims cred. club DJs won't touch the stuff on here. Maybe not, but some of this stuff is still going to rock student rock nights and the like, and it strikes me that it's been designed more for that - Rage Alongside The Machine as a title may have explained it better, Korn Kids Get Electrified! The question then remains whether that's bad or not but that's just pure taste.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Why the fuck are you screeching on and on about "relevance" as if that's the Holy Grail of all music, Ronan?

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously, are you TRYING to be the Geir of Dance Music?

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you actually expect to like this album tho Ronan? Did you look forward to it? Despite my attempts to defend it here I didn't especially - the enthusiasm burnt out long ago now. Like I say it's funny polar opposites Ronan and Alex NYC both slate it because it doesn't do what either of them wanted (assuming they did want something from it) even tho what they wanted would surely have been totally different.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously, are you TRYING to be the Geir of Dance Music?

heh, this could just as readily be aimed at Dan and I i fear...

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

to which i say YES, BRING ON IT SNEERING HIPSTER CNUTS ;)

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean i think i actually like the idea that Howlett may have consciously decided to bring out something that the nu-metal fans of 2000 who are now heading to college might take as their passport between their beloved genre (considered irrelevant or at least 'over' by many) and funky electronics which they may previously have shunned. if so, it might yet be quids in for lucky Liam in the States once again!

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

okay enough defending i need to actually go and listen to the rest of the bloody thing. more from me after then.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

AONU may seem like Howlett-by-numbers

it's absolutely not, though!! where's the mentasms?? where's the rush?? even "smack my bitch up" had those crazy ascending synths that seemed to be on every track on the 1st two albums. the new one just sounds like out-of-date nu skool breaks tracks.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

To directly answer Ronan's last point, I would never try to defend this album in terms of relevance because I do not use "relevance to the scene" as a criterion for determining whether something is good. My sneering tone is because I harbor the prejudice that people who do don't actually like music.

"Girls" itself is a great track but the majority of the album doesn't live up to it. It's nice enough but isn't nearly enough fun to listen to as previous efforts; half the tracks seem unfocused and unfinished.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, as if mentasm wasn't out of date! this goes back to timing tho i suppose (i.e. yes i wouldn't mind hearing old rave sounds in new tracks again but i don't think Howlett would and there was always more to his sound/influences than that)

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post: yeah but can't you use "relevance to the scene" as shorthand for another criterion?? like "this wouldn't go down well in kingston" as shorthand for particularly clumsy or inept programming on a dancehall riddim?

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

actually steve raises a good point, no I didn't expect the album to be good, but this is the point, it does bug me that there's still a fuss. And furthermore I never made relevance the holy grail, you took that ball and ran with it. I simply said the Prodigy are entirely removed from dance culture, and on the NYLPM thread I stated a clear case as to why.

Now if I wasn't going to have to read about this toss as a dance album and see it featured in dance sections all fucking year then maybe I could just say "ok who cares". But that's not the case.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post: mentasm, along with reese basslines and one or two other things that i can't remember right now are THE GREAT CONSTANTS OF DANCE.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

kool keith and ced gee samples, that's constant #3.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i haven't really noticed the fuss Ronan. but then i'm not reading any magazines or listening to much TV/radio

great constants of dance of constants of great dance?? either way that doesn't sound like much of a good reason for Howlett using them again (why retread older ground as opposed to old ground??!)

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

tho i guess Kool Keith usage would be even older, hmmmmm

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Now if I wasn't going to have to read about this toss as a dance album and see it featured in dance sections all fucking year then maybe I could just say "ok who cares". But that's not the case.

oh come on! 'Girls' is a DANCE track, i'm sure there are others on there too. of course Prodigy should still be written about in dance mags. perhaps the crick for some is they'll get equal (ok probably more) coverage in Kerrang. but if Orbital are covered by dance press still then Prodigy definitely should be.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

the main problem with the new prodigy album is the absence of hi-hats and voices going "j--j-j-j-j-j-j-jack JACK, JACK JACK, j-j-j-JACK JACK"

x-post it's barely a dance track. too caught up its in own identity.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

If it isn't a dance album, what is it? It isn't pop, rock, folk, country, baroque, Renaissance, R&B, hip-hop, gosepl, etc etc etc.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 July 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

it is pop/rock anyway.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

You've got to be kidding.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 July 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not, but anyway your question only serves to highlight what a crawlspace the record inhabits.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 July 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post it's barely a dance track. too caught up its in own identity.

sorry but this is insanity. if people can dance to Freq Nasty, Pilgrem, Stantons, Plump DJs, Jedi Knights then they can dance to this. it's not even that far away from 'Satisfaction' really - imagine a 4/4 over it if you must. i understand the 'dated' argument perfectly but you seem to be getting at something else which i don't recognise at all - the 'being tired of Prodigy being regarded by too many people as at forefront of dance' is also understandood but who does that now? really? THAT's irrelevant. only...Prodigy singles have a habit of this 'problem', caught between stools as the singles from MFTJG and FOTL were too (Paul Oakenfold played 'Skylined', Jon Carter played 'Mindfields', just as two examples but generally Howlett seemed the outsider, either too pop or not enough). Same thing seems to be happening again, but really I'm only re-iterating my comments on NYLPM here.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 19 July 2004 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

just heard it in a mates house,thought it was terrible
my mate was downloading it,he doesnt really know anything about music except late nineties techno,at one point he goes "does it sometimes happen that you download an album and its just not what it says it is at all"
it does sound like them most of the time,but it seemed really tired and dated sounding,not dated even,more like i can imagine if there had been a fad for music that sounded like it a few years ago but everyone just decided it sounded a bit shit

and it may be music you can dance to but it doesnt seem like dance music,there are no tracks as such
dunno specifically what song people are talking about but i cant imagine any of the tracks been played at a rave or anything,wheras all the classic prodigy tracks ive heard at raves and parties,even up to smack my bitch up

i suppose i shouldnt judge it on one listen,but i cant imagine being arsed listening to it again
i'll probably end up hearing it somewhere though

― robin (robin), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

also did anyone else notice the track that sounded *exactly* like thriller?

― robin (robin), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

no it wouldn't be played at 'raves' but we are talking seven years since last album tho nothing from that would've been heard at any UK rave or free party anywhere either surely. i remember finding it odd that 'Breathe' appeared on quite a few housey compilations in '96 - Oakenfold even played it right before the Chems came on at Homelands '99, went down well. 'Girls' feels more clubbier than 'Breathe', something between pure electro revivalism of Jedi Knights 'Antacid' and more recent electroclash/breaks fusion. Would be interesting to see it remixed by someone new tho (or even JLC or someone like that). Shame that probably won't happen.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

The track that sounds like "Thriller" is pretty much the bassline from the "Thriller" coda.

It's like Liam decided to make a Fatboy Slim album.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

This is like Max Powersauce dance music. Like the kind of thing you would hear on a snowboarding video. I dont like it when people use the term 'relevant', I think it's bullshit even when someones deeming R.E.M. not relevant anymore. Yet The Prodigy's sound is still very much stuck in the nineties. Maybe its been co-opted by horrible Lucozade ads and the like. It was disappointing to see Howlett go from a sample-happy ‘ardcore rave urchin who wouldn’t listen to a guitar unless it was a Floyd record while he was coming down to a boring rockist who said things like “Nevermind the bollocks” is the greatest album ever.

'Girls' is still really good all the same.

― Michael B, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

It's NOTHING like he decided to make a Fatboy Slim album!!! For starters it's drenched in that awful late 90s badboyism of theirs, Fatboy couldn't be bad if he tried.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 July 2004 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i took Dan's comment to mean it's Howlett doing a free thing and not caring too much what dance purists say - that's pretty much been his plan with every album tho. i'm confused what's meant by bad tho! for the record i'm not sure i could deal with another Fatboy album either but who knows really...late 90s hate will continue to get my goat in the meantime tho

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 22 July 2004 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I will listen to another Fatboy album if it's any good!

Apparently he's making a hiphop/funk record though which sounds awful.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 July 2004 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i really really like that lp cover though. its ace!
i've only ever liked 1 prodigy song. diesel power.

― piscesboy, Thursday, 22 July 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

this really is pretty awful - the menace is there but nothing else. 'Action Radar' is just a bad video game but the bass guitar sounds just pail when you think about how great 'Full Throttle' can still sound with it's gongs and deep bass. 'Medusa's Path' is crying out for a couple of lines from Maxim but without that it's just fucking boring. After the first few tracks the album is actually unpleasant to lisen to, but I never dug early 90s industrial-metal which is all this is really, with the possible exception of 'The Way It Is', I do like the fucking with 'Thriller' but perhaps not explored enough, or neat idea not followed through as well as could be (Basement Jaxx could do something with 'Thriller' and it'd just FEEL better right?). Fuck the Liam G collab also.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 12 August 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I can see it getting good reviews everywhere tho - is this the case? Crazy.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 12 August 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

That Ace Howlett/Lennon Gallagher/Wolf Gillespie record in 2025 is sure gonna suck at this rate...

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 12 August 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Wolf won't even make it into the band - he'll have been strung out on several brands of narcotics for well over a decade. Lennon will be an almie and Ace a bore.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Thursday, 12 August 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"almie" = "alkie". Damn keyboard.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Thursday, 12 August 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

wow. this is really pretty dire. but i quite like the absurdity of 'spitfire', its cheekiness and full-on start reminds me of firestarter, although it's only a vague buzz, verging on nostalgia. i guess that the kool keith track is a pretty neat hip hop jam, and 'girls' is some very well crafted big beat electro.
but apart from that i think i have to agreee with steve-o: this actually gets straight up unpleasant to listen to as it goes along. both because it hurts my head like ears like, say, 20-30 dogs, but also because it's quite depressing to hear liam go down like this. although it was predictable.

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Monday, 16 August 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

please forget the weird "like ears" in the second last line.

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Monday, 16 August 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

It's easily the worst Prodigy album but I don't really mind it.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 August 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

'Phoenix' MIGHT grow on me...'You Will Be Under My Wheels' scores half a point for incorporating FOTL cast-off 'Rock N' Roll'...I would seriously release 'The Way It Is' as a single and then quit albums forever

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 16 August 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

(he's probably going to release 'Shoot Down' - AT CHRISTMAS - and then win Best Dance Act at the Brits)

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 16 August 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

okay:
'spitfire' is lovingly popmpous
the bell theme on 'memphis bells' is kina sorta nice.
never mind the rest. it hurts my head and makes me sad.

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

RIP Prodigy.

This album is terrible.

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 16 August 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

let's leave it there.

This career has been terminated by Mr. Howlett.

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

Okay, certain songs on here have completely snuck up on me even though they sound unfinished (the entire sequence from "Memphis Bells" through "Wake Up Call" specifically).

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, include "Action Radar" in there, too. Who knew that this album had a four week incubation period?

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

God, I'm so fucking predictable. I love this album now. WTF???

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

(haha obviously no one cares)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Interview with Liam now up on http://www.jameshyman.com/production/radio.html

Only mildly revealing but I can't recall him giving a radio interview in the UK before EVER so...

I want to check them out live at Brixton I think, just to see how it's actually gonna work

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Friday, 10 September 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

This might be of interest to the hataz:

http://www.prodigyremixed.com/tracklist.html

I've not heard the original or the remixes, having not bothered to buy/blag the former and having no means to use bit torrent. So, your thoughts please - compare and contrast etc.

Bet it's not as good as Parkspliced...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I rather like this album. It's no classic, but it's at least ten times better than I expected. I like how Liam has managed to incorporate recent developments in dance music into his sound without it sounding like bandwagon jumping.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 13 September 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

what recent developments do you see him incorporating?

― artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 13 September 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

the 'Girls' vocal does seem a bit electroclash-bandwagon I think, but I don't mind that

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 13 September 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm enjoying this album a lot! Haven't really thought about it on a what-they-should-be-doing level at all cuz it sounds NOTHING like the three or four songs I know.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

and there's nothing like cranky, miserable technoids talking about relevance to make me not feel bad about not hearing this stuff in that context.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

in that case perhaps language you can understand would suit best.

IT'S A PIECE OF SHIT.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorta sad what an utter NON-EVENT this all turned out to be. The Fat of the Land was a genuinely enjoyable album that seemed to convey such promise.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

(Haha Ronan, you aren't helping your case here!)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

hey ronan, did you ever write a review of this somewhere? I'm curious to know what about this makes it so shitty, aside from a lack of crediblity or whatever. You did mention that this stuff is "gloopy" (?) and has an absence of hi-hats. Oh and it has something to do with '90s badboyism.

I really wish you'd use a word other dance to describe the type of music you like. It's like calling pop music "melodic music," as if you can't find melody in folk, country, blues, etc.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

a word other than dance

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

thank you for that fine suggestion.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I was disappointed to find out the "J. Lewis" in the credits wasn't Rilo Kiley's Jenny Lewis, cuz I liked the idea that that girl was EVERYWHERE right now. Though now I'm half curious to hear Juliette Lewis's stuff.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree w/m1cc1o except in regards to J. Lewis and J. Lewis

― artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

do the Gallagher Bros. demand that the "Tomorrow Never Knows" beat be put on EVERY techno collabo? They should be locked up.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I now actually hope that that "sampling" law gets passed just so Yoko Ono can take every penny those two have ever made. "fool on the hill and I feel fine"? That's 5 million. pay up.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I was looking at the picture of Liam (at least, I think that's his name) in the boolet of 'Fat of the Land'. Does it look to anyone else like he's about to burst into tears?

― Sasha (sgh), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I like this album. It isn't spectacular, but it has a few gems: "Spitfire" is so silly ("If I was in World War II, they'd call me Spitfire!") that it's almost decent. But I honestly like "Girls" and "The Way It Is" a lot. That "Thriller" riff reworked is really addictive in a Friday night power-drunk sort of way.

― Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

You can rely on the Prodigy - each new album is always worse than the one before it.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 08:30 (twenty-one years ago)

The Fat of the Land was a genuinely enjoyable album that seemed to convey such promise.

Haha, I always suspected Alex in NYC was some kind of parody of an ILM poster and now I have conclusive proof.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm just amazed that 12 years later people still care about the prodigy

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

i like to pretend "firestater" was a blip hit from some neu-industrial band

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

so when is the correct time to stop caring about a band?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:29 (twenty-one years ago)

when they begin to suck!!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

did you miss the memo?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i think i am going to listen to experience on my walk to work today thanks to this thread

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you, ILM, for telling me what to think! How would I survive without you?

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

WATCH TV

MARRY AND REPRODUCE

VOTE KID A

― the neurotic awakening of roddy mcdowell (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

LOVE KITTENS

DANCE TO "WE WANT FUN"

DON'T PANIC

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Talking of received wisdom, I like how most of the album reviews go "Phew crikey Grandad, the Prodge are so YESTERDAY!!!!", then they grudgingly admit their faves are the two 80s-throwback tracks!!!!

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

that's cos them 80s be the height of fashion again. whereas anything locked in a groove under ten years of age is Satan's flatulence.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Fat of the Land was a genuinely enjoyable album that seemed to convey such promise."

I think Fat of the Land totally failed to live up to the promise of the first two albums.

― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm just amazed that 12 years later people still care about the prodigy
-- jess (wt...), September 14th, 2004

aren't you like 22 or something? and in the states? ffs.

― Dead Man, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I just read some ridculous review of Fat of the Land by an American on Amazon which opens with 'marked the moment that dance music became cool.' Oh, our colonial cousins.

― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm so bored of being bored.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

_Fat Of The Land_ is still the most flawed of all four albums IMO (even though I enjoy it more than the new one, I think that's because oof exposure rather than the album itself; I am now hearing a ton of shit in the new one that I am absolutely loving). It just doesn't hang together, partially because of sequencing ("Serial Thrilla" kills the album's momentum and ending with "Fuel My Fire" is embarrassing).

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i might put the last two on the same par now

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

(_Play_ is still a better album than either, mind you)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

But... Play has no balls!

― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

it's like saying Lech Poznan are better than Legia Warsaw and GKS Katowice tho

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

How you can even contemplate preferring miserable Moby to the peerless Prodigy is beyond my Ken C.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

The Fat of the Land was a genuinely enjoyable album that seemed to convey such promise.

Haha, I always suspected Alex in NYC was some kind of parody of an ILM poster and now I have conclusive proof.

Well, why not shove it right up your ass, howzabout that?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

"Run On" alone is better than every song on _FOTL_ and _AONO_ except possibly "Diesel Power", "Climbatize", "Girls" and "Wake Up Call" and _Play_ has several songs at that level ("Natural Blues", "Porcelain", "Honey", "Machete", "South Side").

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

(haha Alex, now YOU aren't helping your case any)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, all I've had this morning is bad coffee and am in an entirely foul mood.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I like 'Serial Thrilla'!

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

'Play' had a bunch of neat ideas but sprawled out too much so that many of the tracks just weren't substantial enough. Conversely the Prodigy albums are more condensed with the ideas jammed in, although I found this wasn't so much the case with the new one. 'Run On' is very subtle but feels more like an afterthought/meandering jam, which is pretty indicative of the general feel of 'Play' if you ask me. Remember how long it took to become a best-seller? And that was more down to adverts. I also felt he was responding to 'You've Come A Long Way Baby's relative success in the States, almost cynically. 'Play' was ultra-slowburn but despite that it hasn't lasted well really. May be true with TOFL also.

Incidentally Dan I assume you know that track by thingy from Depeche Mode called 'Jezebel' which totally rips Moby's own rip formula of old blues but it's much much darker in tone than what Hall came up with. Not very good tho iirc.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Moby ripped the whole old blues formula off Primitive Radio Gods' "Broken 'Phone Booth Wotsit" anyway.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

and Teddy Riley. and about 2000 other people.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Which comes back to the point that I could give two shits who he ripped it off from, he did something with it that I like.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Moby ripped the whole old blues formula off Primitive Radio Gods' "Broken 'Phone Booth Wotsit" anyway.

I had that very same thought the other day.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

(And for the record I like that Primitive Radio Gods song too but that's the only decent thing on that album.)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually I'm pretty well convinced he took it from Recoil if anything -- on the Bloodline album, Moby sings on a track or two, while elsewhere Mr. Wilder did "Electro Blues for Bukka White," and no guesses as to who that samples.

(This is where I must disagree with Dan and say that Moby stopped being at all interesting for me with Everything is Wrong -- going from Mimi Goese to freakin' Gwen Stefani is like me thinking, "Boy I'm tired of that Dom Perignon, time for some Ripple.")

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course the version of "South Side" that was originally released didn't have Gwen on it and anyway you have a bordlerline irrational hatred of everything Gwen touches...

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Nonsense, my good sir. It's incredibly rational!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

wasn't Gwen on the original "South Side," just not emphasized? Her name is in the credits.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I forget if she was just "thanked" or actually listed as a singer on it. I assumed the video just called attention to it to give him some cultural lustre or whtaever.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

She is not on the version that made the initial album run.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah I don't know which version the copy I had was.

I don't hate Play. But I only bothered keeping a third on CD-R, a third I thought was worthless from day one so I will never understand the A+ mania it has received. Oh wait, I kept less than a third. "Honey," "Southside," "Natural Blues" and "Run On."

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"Run On" is a total "Lucas With The Lid Off" rip though.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

she might as well not be on it, can't see what she adds to the track (anthony right in that it was for video appeal perhaps). i don't mind her half as much as other people generally tho.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I am way more bothered by Moby than Gwen Stefani (who has made some tracks that impress me in more than a Shape Of New Age To Come way)

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey Baby>Hella Good>Run On>>>>The rest of Play

― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Move > Just A Girl > Always Outnumbered Never Outgunned

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Gwen Stefani on your album > Crispin Mills and Saffron on your album.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Gwen Stefani on your face>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Moby on your face

― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

(Let's see Ned wriggle his way out of that one)
(not literally)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm on your case, I'm in your face
Kick you and your father back in place
Step up sucker, understand
Don't you know,
I'm the man! I'm the man!
I'm so bad I should be in detention!
I'm the man!

Shut up!

― Not Anthrax (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Fat of the Land, Gwen Stefani, "Lucas with the Lid Off, Play, and "Standing Outside a Broken Phone Booth With Money in My Hands" are all very awesome.

Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned is very unawesome.

That about does it for me.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Very Unawesome sounds like the perfect description.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

this really isn't a bad album. just not very good.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

the man can record some drum sounds tho, i'll give him that.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

also haha "22" omg wtf. ilx rumor and disinformation is a weird thing.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

would it have been better if i said 8 years instead of 12? i mean, 8 years is a long ass time. think about what you were doing in 1996.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I believe that "Fat of the Land" hit the U.S. charts in the summer of 1997. So ... SEVEN years. And yes, I was pretty freaked at first that the best Howlett could come up with on this CD was another "Firestarter" (called "Spitfire"). But I honestly do like the rest of this album. Zoyks. People seem really divided on this one.

― Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

As an ardent supporter of Fat of the Land (and obviously the first two albums) in the face of occasionally extreme advertisity, I felt downright betrayed by how much the new album sucks. Some reward for loyalty.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

So despite the fact that the Fat Of The Land singles did little for me when they came out and I am enjoying this album a lot, I should assume that if I bothered to buy the early albums my head will blow clean off from the sheer glory of it all, right?

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

would you people hate this so much if it was just called a Julliette Lewis album and Lian went uncredited?

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Liam

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

You'd probably hate Experience but be ptoentially head-blown by Jilted Generation.

― kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I am tempted to explore further. I'll buy this if I find it on the cheap.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Experience is obviously the best. But only if you love crazy early nineties dance music, as I do.

― Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

would you people hate this so much if it was just called a Julliette Lewis album and Lian went uncredited?

No--I would just out and out dismiss it and never give it a second's thought again (if I ever even listened to it in the first place). It's a lousy record no matter how you look at it.

If you like this than there's no reason why Fat and Jilted shouldn't wallop you into the 25th century. Experience is equally awesome but in a different way.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 03:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Moby ripped the whole old blues formula off Primitive Radio Gods' "Broken 'Phone Booth Wotsit" anyway.

Wasn't John Cage doing this type of thing in the 40s/50s?

― mentalist (mentalist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

yada yada varese yada marconi yada yada edison yada yada banging their clubs on the walls of the cave yada yada yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

― Jimmy Gator, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Anthony maybe you're regressing to an animal state.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

http://juanjamon.typepad.com/ipodshuffle/Evolution-thumb.jpg

http://www.onelife.com/evolve/zda1470.jpg

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus Ronan all you ever go on about on these boards is going on about other posters going on about the DeWaele brothers.

― Jimmy Gator, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

blah blah pathetic whingeing blah blah if you don't like it don't read it blah blah own message board blah blah

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

was that a joke

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...

This'll be the last post on this thread, UNREAD no doubt, but.... after about 20 listens I FUCKING LOVE THIS RECORD! Go figure.

― maria b (maria b), Friday, 1 October 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"Get Up Get Off" beats every Kanye/Twista track I've ever heard.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 1 October 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

MARIA THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO ME

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 October 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd rather not have to risk another 19 listens

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 2 October 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm surprised how well "Girls" appropriates the synth hook from D-Train's "You're The One For Me". I never would have seen that one coming.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

it still sucks.

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

no it doesnt. and "girls" = the bomb. at +8: the tacnuke of dancefloor even.

― :| (....), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

i just found this in my cd's.
maybe i'll listen to it later.

― Creeztophair, Thursday, 17 July 2008 01:09 (seventeen years ago)

It's not as bad as everyone loves to pretend it is, and "Girls" is vastly underrated.

― Stevie D, Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:08 (seventeen years ago)

nine years pass...

by and large one of the wrongest threads on ilm

― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 17 August 2017 11:19 (eight years ago)

classic: the mashup of Breathe & Stop vs Rex the Dog's remix of of Girls that I made and played out a bunch of times in the mid-2000s
dud: the Prodigy's careers post-Breathe

― Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 17 August 2017 11:38 (eight years ago)

This record fucking sucks.

― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 17 August 2017 11:52 (eight years ago)

I thought the whole Prodigy thing was fucked by this point - Howlett obviously had a creative block and didn't know which directiom to go in, Flint had let success go to his head a little bit too much, Maxim was off doing whatever the hell he was doing and the Thornhill had departed - not that this had much of an impact, mind.

― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:01 (eight years ago)

*direction

― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:01 (eight years ago)

I forgot this existed tbh.

I remember a friend claiming Invaders Must Die was a return to form, I didn't believe him.

― chap, Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:07 (eight years ago)

a good friend 10 years my younger claims the Prodigy only really got good after Fat Of The Land. He hears Jilted Generation as sounding flat and lacking 'oomph', and (according to him) the songs take too long to get going.

― Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:12 (eight years ago)

he's heinously wrong of course, but it's an interesting take

― Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:13 (eight years ago)

I've met American Prodigy 'fans' who were unaware they had any albums before FOTL.

― chap, Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:19 (eight years ago)

Sounds like your friend is coming at them from a rock rather than dance angle.

― chap, Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:20 (eight years ago)

Invaders Must Die has some FANTASTIC material on it.

I don't remember the last time I played AONO, maybe that should be today's soundtrack.

― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:38 (eight years ago)

Invaders Must Die has some FANTASTIC material on it.

otm.

― mark e, Thursday, 17 August 2017 12:57 (eight years ago)

Sounds like your friend is coming at them from a rock rather than dance angle.
― chap, Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:20 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I think he first encountered them as a pre-teen during the nu-metal era. Some sort of high-impact activity he was doing at the time, and one of their latter albums was the soundtrack.

― Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 17 August 2017 13:34 (eight years ago)

both this one & Invaders are really good records. I love Fat but had very little invested in the band otherwise, the feeling I get from people who hate on later Prodigy is they have very specific if-you-grow-it-will-be-in-this-direction expectations of the band. they're basically just big-beat rock and roll albums though. that is cool w/me. they're really good big-beat rock and roll albums.

― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 17 August 2017 15:39 (eight years ago)

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