Blur Vs Oasis Ten Year Anniversary Edition

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It's nine years since the summer of Britpop and the rivalry pretty much kicked off in 1994, so who was/ is the better then?

As I wipe a nostalgic tear from my eye, I think that Blur were the better of the two bands. In the ideal world though I think it should it have been Pulp Vs Suede as both these bands were better.

Anyway... here's the C-Man rundown:

BLUR:
Leisure: Bollocks except for There's No Other Way
Modern Life is Rubbish: Tops
Parklife: Classic except for Girls and Boys which is annoying
Great Escape: Largely poo
Blur: See above
13: Pretty unlistenable
Think Tank: Couldn't be arsed by the point.

OASIS:
Definately Maybe: Overrated. Some good tracks.
What's the Story: The best thing they did. Still flounders a bit.
Be Here Now: Disaster
Masterplan: The best Oasis album by a country mile.
Standing on the Shoulder of Giants: Cack
Heathen Chemistry: Good singles, rest is bollox.

C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 29 July 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Blur: excellent
13: fucking excellent
Think Tank: gussets have more pop sensibility

Careful with that Almanac Eugene (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 29 July 2004 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

every band that had more than one good song is better than Oasis, Blur had at least ten.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 July 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Christ C-Man! Enough with the shit music already!

Bumfluff, Thursday, 29 July 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I HATE OASIS.

Blur had one brilliant tune ('This Is a Low') and a handfull of decent ones.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 29 July 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

leisure: aight mlir: genius parklife: fucking great great escape: singles record, but whatever s/t: huh? 13: fucking great think tank: gag oasis: good

OFF MY PLANET, CMAN!!

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, guys. I think it's the pancakes I just ate.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

emily thinks records are made the same was as crepes

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 29 July 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

same way, obv

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 29 July 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

with love.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

and liquor.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

reader's digest version:

blur: singles band oasis: eyebrows

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

blur: townies oasis: scallys

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 29 July 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Would this better as a fatal fourway with Pulp and Suede?

C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 29 July 2004 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

pulp: tailored suede: sad

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

If so here's the verdict:

PULP:

It: Good
Freaks: Better
Seperations: It's still good...
His N'Hers: Classic
Different Class: Even more Classic
This is Hardcore: Best Pulp album
We Love Life: 2nd Best Pulp album

SUEDE
Suede: Classic
Dog Man Star: Best. Album. Ever.
Coming Up: Different band. Still class.
Sci Fi Lullabies: Disc 1 - classic. Disc 2 - alright.
Head Music: Crap
A New Morning: Less crap. A grower.

Overall Pulp win by never making a crap album.

C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 29 July 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Would this better as a fatal fourway with Pulp and Suede?

Fourway? Liam would be greasing Damon, Damon would be tugging Jarvis, Jarvis would be wristing Liam, and Brett would be clutching a mirror and palming himself in the corner.

Careful with that Almanac Eugene (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 29 July 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Blur > Suede > Pulp >>> Oasis

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 29 July 2004 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The real winners are the fans.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Blur > Suede > Pulp >>> Oasis

NO! My band's bigger than yours!

PULP> ohgodhaveigottochooseoneoftherestofthese... Blur, if I must.

Dog Man Star bored the crap out of me.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Oasis were awful. Being British meant i had to put up with two years of never ending hype and seeing their stupid faces on my tv every week. Now at the mere mention of them evryone shuffles their feet and forgets it ever happened. Love to blur. They weren't great but they were better by a clear mile. pulp always ruled though. Clever, funny, interesting and more than one song repeated over and over again. I feel good that it has been ten years since someone could win indie press attention and sell stupid amounts of records by shouting 'lets have it' on TFI friday. yuck yuck yuck.

Markusj (Mark Jasper), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:18 (twenty-one years ago)

From a recent blog entry:

This was the most important thing ever to happen to me musically. Hearing Aphex Twin for the first time, my first rave, getting my first guitar - none of them compare to who got to number one in the British charts that summer. Suddenly, being a teenager in the UK was the coolest thing in the world and Blur, Oasis, Supergrass and Pulp were the ones soundtracking it. People diss the Britpop movement saying it was false or pretentious - not if you were working on your GCSE English assignments it wasn't. This was proper music about people and places we sort of knew, injected with just a little extra sparkle. Smoking illicit cigarettes whilst dancing in circles at the local indie night to "For Tomorrow" and "Alright" - there was nothing more right in the world. Hour-long debates over a hot bunsen burner about whether "Roll With It" was better than "Country House" would ensue, normally ending withthe Oasis kids throwing basalt in the Blur kids' eyes and then getting bollocked by the teacher. Said scoundrels would then be packed off to detention, muttering curses about Blur being cheaters for releasing a double single to boost sales.

Then everything went tits up. My beloved Blur won the war, pipping the Gallaghers to the post. Suddenly they really were everywhere - pictures of Alex James in my sister's copy of Smash Hits, thousands of underaged screaming fans at concerts. This was nothing like the Starshaped video, this was Take-fucking-That all over again. The appalling Live It! remix of "Entertain Me" was the first nail in the coffin, the last was when a really irritating girl in my class came in wearing a "DAMON" neckband and then trying to correct me on the pronunciation of "Albarn". That was the day I went to the second hand shop and sold every Blur record I owned. The dream was over.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:20 (twenty-one years ago)

How's your sister this morning, Charlie?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Now at the mere mention of them evryone shuffles their feet and forgets it ever happened.


1 Oasis Go Let It Out Feb 2000
4 Oasis Who Feels Love? Apr 2000
4 Oasis Sunday Morning Call Jul 2000
1 Oasis The Hindu Times Apr 2002
2 Oasis Stop Crying Your Heart Out Jun 2002
2 Oasis Little By Little / She Is Love Oct 2002
3 Oasis Songbird Feb 2003

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Funny, back in the day - particularly straight after the initial Britpop explosion, it was extremely trendy to hate Blur and prefer Oasis. Was this simply because of Charmless Man managing to make everyone want to throw up all over their union flag tshirts?

Anyway, my Blur ratings out of 5:

Leisure: 3
Underrated - there's some real moments on this one including "Sing", "Wear Me Down" and of course "There's No Other Way". I guess by later standards it was utter garbage but I really do like it.

Modern Life Is Rubbish: 4 and a half
A giant step on from Leisure - really amazing stuff. Chemical World was a highlight but I also liked that cheeky interlude track. I must dig it out again soon.

Parklife: 5
This album is flawless (yes, apart from Girls And Boys which I always skip for some reason). This was the first CD I ever bought and it changed my world. Punky tunes, new wave tunes, waltzes, sad tunes, shoegazer tunes and This Is A Low - the works in 16 tracks. Lovely album artwork too. Why don't more albums come with the chords and lyrics on the inlay, huh?

Great Escape
Yes it had some good singles and really I rather liked Country House - the harmonies and depth in that song made it so much more than a cockney knees-up. Still it felt like Blur had recorded Parklife's resigned older wearier brother. It was a depressed record after the celebration of the last two albums. I especially like "Best Days" the Graham Coxon contribution, the strings on "The Universal" and the two-tone touches on tracks 5 & 6. Was never too keen on "Stereotypes" - it felt like a non song to follow up the first two singles.

Blur
It was good that Blur made this album - I fell in love with them all over again - having to buy all my records back. Not a whole lot of duff moments on here and I have many many good memories of this LP.

13
It was clear that they were losing their grips about this time. The Damon schmaltzasborg that was "Tender" went on forever and just stank of self indulgence. A very dull song. I did however adore "Coffee & TV" and rate it as one of their best songs. There were a heck of a lot of clunkers on this album. I still have some great memories about it though.

Think Tank
Really really average. There were a few good moments - the first two tracks are really beautiful and "Caravan" reminds me of Ride a little bit. Still, I don't listen to this very much - it's clearly not worth the effort and I treat it as a relic.

Can someone post a list of all the Blur b-sides please? I think those are some of their best songs but I sadly lost them in the great Blur purge of '96.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

oops! forgot the marks for the last few albums

Great Escape: 3 and a half
Blur: 4
13: 3
Think Tank: 2

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

My sister's fine Sicko.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Gurlz & Boyz is their BESTEST tune by a MILE!? wtf?!

Excellent. Does she want to come for a drink with me?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I never lumped Suede in with the Britpop scene to be honest - they weren't chirpy enough. I saw them as a Goth thing really.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:43 (twenty-one years ago)

DL OTM re; Suede.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)

You have a girlfriend already, non? Plus she lives on the other side of the country.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I do, yeah. But, you know. Doesn't hurt to ask!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Out of 5:

Leisure: 3.5
Modern Life Is Rubbish: 10
Parklife: 4.5
The Great Escape: 4
Blur: 4.5
13: 4
Think Tank: 3

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I can always ask her...

"Oi Sev! There's a random internet mentalist from the West of England wants to take you out on a date - whaddya say?" ;-)

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Pulp > Suede > Blur >>Oasis

A few years ago I might have had Suede and Blur in the opposite order but then the latter went out and made Think Tank.

Leisure: 3
MLIR : 4
Parklife : 5 (but man, does this album sound dated now. Have you listened to it lately? Yeah, it already sounded dated when it came out because it ripped off the Kinks blah blah blah)
GE : 3.5 (as mentioned above, GREAT singles, including their best ever, "The Universal")
Blur : 3.5
13 : 3.5
Think Tank : - 1324748 (unlistenable)

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 29 July 2004 09:00 (twenty-one years ago)

"Sure? His name's Sick Mouthy... No, SICK MOUTHY! He likes you! He wants to have the sex with you! Awww why not?"

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 09:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Does Parklife sound dated? It's a good question. I guess I just can't listen to it any more, seeing as it was my first CD album I had it on rotation till I saved up for another CD and still then I played it every day for a year and then a lot during concurrent years. So now I put it on and it goes right over my head for the most part. I wouldn't be able to tell if it's dated or not.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 09:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i've always hated most of definitely maybe (there, i said it). morning glory is spotty to say the least but brings back a lot of nice memories of 1997 for me, so i still kind of like it. their subsequent albums had some decent moments but i haven't gone back to any of them since they came out. blur never did a thing for me. i really can't imagine myself ever wanting to listen to either of them again, aside from a handful of oasis tracks ("acquiesce," "fade away," "some might say," "underneath the sky," "headshrinker" - their rep as a really good b-sides act was surprisingly deserved) that i still love.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 29 July 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, was Think Tank a complete fucking disaster or what?

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 29 July 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Not a complete disaster - I think we saw it coming. Coxon leaving and Blur carrying on without him just felt plain wrong - he was of course the backbone and mastermind of the band. It's strange that Blur recorded their most avant-garde album without him as he was always the one wanting to get away from Country House and those nasty groupies wanting to shag him and stuff.

They should have quit when Graham quit - he bailed ship at the right time. Instead they carry on as a trio of embarassing dads who bought silly "designer" clothes from TK Maxx.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

what did DL's sister say? is she up for it?

Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 29 July 2004 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Still deciding. She needs a photo and a three month record of Mouthy's bank transactions.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I got paid today and I got a bonus, too.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/April_8th_083.jpg[/IMG]

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

What's the actual situation with pix? Cos the FAQ says you can still use < img src= blah blah > ??

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Also I have a fetching quiff at the moment. And I have had a shave.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)

lower case i works, nothing else seems to

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 29 July 2004 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Okey dokey.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

BLUR:

Leisure: monotonous, drab indie-dance. "sing" shows promise for the future, couple of decent variations on the dull formula ("She's So High", "Theres no other way". 2.5 (out of 5)

Modern Life is Rubbish: Much improved and a lot more colourful. Slightly let down by some forgettable art-punk. 4 (out of 5)

Parklife: Brilliant, enormously enjoyable from start to finish. Last time i listened, Albarn's smug lyrical tone grated a bit, though. 4.5 (out of 5)

Great Escape: Basically parklife 2, but more refined, more colourful. their masterpiece. 5 out of 5.

Blur: Rather silly change of direction (although they'd probably brought the britpop thing to its natural conclusion) made up for by some classic tunes (beetlebum and song 2 mainly) 3.5 / 5

13: Overbearing arrangements suffocate the odd moment of loveliness -blur lacking lightness of touch to make textural music. coxon starting to bog the group down. 2.5 / 5

Think Tank: Much more relaxed, poppy and enjoyable - but still too much silliness. 3.5 / 5

OASIS:
Definately Maybe: Storming start - the only one i'd still listen to, although probably played "..glory" more back in the day. liam's voice at its best. 4 / 5

What's the Story: Largely excellent follow-up, bit drab and mid-paced at times. could benefit from more rockers. more about noel than liam, but noel actually coped manfully on this one. 4 / 5

Be Here Now: Overblown arrangements and production. noel's songwriting floundering anyway. i like "stand by me" though. 2.5 / 5

Masterplan: Sounding like a cool midpoint between their first two records - on b-sides noel resists temptation to overblow things as well - a much better rec than be here now. 4 / 5

Standing on the Shoulder of Giants: Too one-paced, all the life has been sucked out of the band. still have a soft spot for "fuckin in the bushes" and "sunday morning call", tho. 3 / 5

Heathen Chemistry: haven't heard it all, but from what i have, sounds rub. 2 / 5

blur win!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 29 July 2004 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not ten years. It's nine.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 29 July 2004 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

As pointed out in the first few words of the thread, admittedly.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 29 July 2004 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

It's about time Blur had a b-sides collection out no?

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I got a boxset of blur singles, nice pouch, etc, 24 singles or thereabouts, all the bsides, etc, when there were many startup internet auction pages, for £30 brand new whee.

Anyway, yeah there is certainly a CD's worth of fantastic b-sides to compile. About a cd's worth of 'wastes of time' too mind youxe...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 29 July 2004 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

you lucky! shame ebay doesn't seem to like me very much :-(

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Can someone post a list of all the Blur b-sides please? I think those are some of their best songs but I sadly lost them in the great Blur purge of '96.

most of this is copied from the box set tracklisting (which is my most valued possession in the whole world, I'd say) and the ones that came out after "Coffee & TV" are more or less from memory, so I might be missing one or two. I deleted remixes and live stuff.

1. I Know
2. Down
3. Sing
4. Inertia
5. Mr Briggs
6. I'm All Over
7. Won't Do It
8. Day Upon Day (Live)
9. Explain
10. Luminous
11. Berserk
12. Uncle Love
13. Mace
14. Badgeman Brown
15. I'm Fine
16. Garden Central
17. Into Another
18. Hanging Over
19. Peach
20. Bone Bag
21. When The Cows Come Home (both this and #19 were featured as bonus tracks on the US Modern Life is Rubbish, though)
22. Beachcoma
23. Young & Lovely
24. Es Scmecht
25. My Ark
26. Maggie May
27. Never Clever (Live)
28. Dizzy
29. Fried
30. Shimmer
31. Long Legged
32. Mixed Up
33. Tell Me Tell Me
34. Daisy Bell (A Bicycle Made For Two)
35. Let's All Go Down The Strand
36. Magpie
37. Anniversary Waltz
38. People In Europe
39. Peter Panic
40. Threadneedle Street
41. Got Yer!
42. Beard
43. Supa Shoppa
44. Theme From An Imaginary Film
45. Rednecks
46. Alex's Song
47. One Born Every Minute
48. Ultranol
49. No Monsters In Me
50. The Man Who Left Himself
51. Tame
52. Ludwig
53. The Horrors
54. A Song
55. St Louis
56. All Your Life
57. A Spell For Money
58. Woodpigeon Song
59. Dancehall (secret track on the s/t)
60. Bustin' and dronin'
61. Get out of cities
62. Polished stone
63. Swallows in the heatwave
64. All we want
65. Mellow jam
66. French song
67. Beagle 2
68. Black Book
69. Seven Days
70. Money Makes Me Crazy
71. The Outsider

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 29 July 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

And, to answer the question, Blur are the better band, but Oasis are the better human beings.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 29 July 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, thanks Dr Bill, you live up to your name.

Does anyone remember an excellent two-week article in Select magazine circa 1995 called the Compleat Blur? Absolutely amazing rundown of all the songs they'd ever released up until the Great Escape. Wish I still had it but I think it got ripped up and thrown away.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

btw, Dog, meet Bill - you two 'work' together @ Stylus if you hadn't figured that out.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, I recognized the sn from the message board, though I must admit I don't know the name of the writer that goes with it.

Incidentally, you both should be writing about this very topic for I Love 1995, due in a couple days.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 29 July 2004 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, man you're always at work. Dog Latin is Ch@rli3 Fr@m3.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Right, I should've figured that out from the I Remember 1994 thing he did about falling out of love with Blur.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 29 July 2004 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that was a clue, kinda.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

My Blur thoughts, using Charlie's system then.

Leisure: 2.5:
Singles are great (I even harbor a soft spot for "Bang") but far too many weak spots. It's universally regarded as their worst album for a reason, though some of the b-sides for the album ("Down," "Inertia," "Luminous") could've made it a whole lot better. It's Blur's Movement, essentially.

Modern Life is Rubbish: 3.5:
Great album but by no means one of their best, and by far their most overrated. Couple of classics ("For Tomorrow," "Oily Water," "Chemical World") and some fun filler tracks can't really distract from the album's incosistency and lousy second half. It's a transitional album, but nowhere near deserving of the "unheralded masterpiece" title it's been tagged with in the Blur camp.

Parlife: 4.5
Where things got really great, but once again, for me at least, not the be-all end-all for all things Blur. The album is totally frontloaded, and between "To the End" and "Jubilee" are some seriously questionable tracks. It's a classic for sure, and "Girls and Boys" is almost doubtlessly their finest moment, but I just don't think it's their best album.

The Great Escape: 4
Better than some give it credit for, but there are obvious gaping flaws. "Mr. Robinson's Quango" and "TOPMAN" are pretty terrible, and Albarn's big ol' meany lyrics ruin potential Blur classics "Fade Away" and "Globe Alone". Still, there are so many stunning songs on this album--"Entertain Me," "Best Days," "The Universal," "Yuko and Hiro," "He Thought of Cars," and yeah, even "Country House"--that I still find it to be a great listen. Sometimes I like it even more than Parklife.

Blur: 5

Their White Album. 14 songs and for the first time, I love every one--it's one of music's truly great band re-inventions, up there with Kid A and Achtung Baby. Like The White Album, it's got Blur doing pastiches of a whole bunch of contemporary bands,--Pavement on "Country Sad Ballad Man," Sonic Youth on "Essex Dogs," GBV on "You're So Great," the trip-hop scene on "Death of a Party" and post-grunge on "Song 2"--and they all work. By far their most engaging listen.

13: 5

I was going to dock this album half a point for its flaws when I realized that the flaws of 13 just endear the album further to me. I always saw this as their Abbey Road to the s/t's White Album--the first half is really disjointed with a bunch of songs with totally disparate moods and tempos, and the second half is sort of this flowing mood piece. My favorite songs are mostly on the first side--"Tender" is possibly the most timeless song Damon ever wrote, "Coffee and TV" gave false hope for Graham's solo career and "1992" is one of the most beautiful guitar meltdowns I've ever heard. But it's the second half that does it for me--Damon truly hitting rock bottom and creating some of the saddest, most evocative and unique music of his career. This is their lost classic.

Think Tank: 4

It's hard for me to be objective about this album because I anticipated it so very much. I think the four is an adequate score because the album's strengths and weaknesses are much like those of TGE--a whole bunch of classics scattered amongst an album of shallowness. The new Blur sound is an infectious one, but it gets repititious and Damon really isn't writing the songs to back it up, but the standouts--"Ambulance," "Battery in Your Leg," "Out of Time," "Good Song," and especially the perversely obscured "Me White Noise"--add necessary punctuation and prevent the album from blurring into one huge mess. I'll always love this album regardless, but I still think it'll hold up for a while to come.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

And I made this one-disc mix of Blur's best b-sides once:

1. "All We Want"
2. "Tame"
3. "Peach"
4. "People in Europe"
5. "Down"
6. "No Monsters in Me"
7. "Trade Stylee (Alex's Bugman Remix)"
8. "Garden Central"
9. "The Man Who Left Himself"
10. "Ultranol"
11. "Get Out of Cities"
12. "Threadneedle Street"
13. "Bustin' + Dronin'"
14. "All Your Life"
15. "Tender (Cornelius Remix)"
16. "St. Louis"

It's a bit heavy on later-day stuff, but I think it nicely accentuates the idea of Blur being a try-anything-once sort of band--and now that I look at it, I don't think there's a single britpop song on there. It'd make a good introduction to the band for people who only know some of the singles, I think.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

You missed out "Young and lovely" so you did...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice one Bill. I forgot to mention that I'm a big fan of Sweet Song off of Think Tank.

Not in agreeance with the "questionable" tracks on Parklife you mention. I used to skip "Trouble In The Message Centre", but now it's one of my faves - it sounds like they're trying to do the 80s well before any kind of revival made it the fashionable thing to do. "London Loves" was similar and had a very claustrophobic feeling. "Clover Over Dover" saw Blur showing off a baroque style that hadn't been donw before. I'd say these were worthy songs.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Other b-sides I like:

A Song
Ludwig
Supa Shoppa
Theme From An Imaginary Film
One Born Every Minute

The fact they were a "try anything" band is the reason I worshipped Blur. Oasis never came close to the ambition and dilletantism of Albarn and Coxon.

Bill, I'd love a copy of that Blur mix though - would you be interested in a CD swap?

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

The best b-side for me is "beachcoma", from the "for tomorrow" single. Nice mournful-sounding sub-barrett psych! Blur pwn oasis x 1,000,000, obviously. I mean, even if they'd only wrote "this is a low", well, that's better than any oasis tune I've ever heard.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that "Trouble" is pretty good, and "Clover" borders on greatness, but I just don't like "Magic America" or "London Loves" much at all.

"Young and Lovely" didn't really fit on the mix, and "Beachcoma" wasn't too necessary as I already had "Peach," but I agree that both are great songs. Looking at dl's list, I probably should've put one of their nifty muzak-y interludes on it somewhere.

"Theme from an Imaginary Film" is such a weird song. I can never tell whether I love it or hate it. Either way, it's extremely Damon--"now just look whose laaaaaughing!!!" "One Born Every Minute" gets on my nerves.

Yeah, I'd be happy to do a trade. Tell me what where and when.

Oh, and I also take slight issue with the titanic reputation afforded to "This is a Low". Great song of course, but not nearly as affecting as some say. Probably wouldn't make my top ten.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I think it's lovely!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

It's all in the music and the guitar solo.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

The thing about This Is A Low is the way they got it to ebb and flow just right. It's a magnificent epic on the perfect pop album. That said I have heard it so many times it's unimaginable.

I think Magic America was the forerunner to The Great Escape's pithy criticisms. I saw TGE as a really scornful and often pitying record. It was about that time that Damon started getting delusions of grandeur, being quoted in the papers as saying he was "god's gift to women" and so on.

Which came out first - "Brighten The Corners" or "Blur"? The titles "Swallows in the Heatwave" and "Starlings In The Slipstream" are so close it's spooky. Also that song has to be Blur's biggest Pavement tribute without a doubt.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Brighten The Corners was 95, I think.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Does anyone remember an excellent two-week article in Select magazine circa 1995 called the Compleat Blur?
Yeah I remember those, and I still have those issues lying around somewhere.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope, Southy, it was '97 too.

I think Blur's did, but either way it was too close for either one to be an intentional reference/rip-off.

I think CSBM is bigger--it sounds like a cross between "We Dance" and "Brinx Job" off Wowee Zowee.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Of the four I'd pick Pulp, who had more classic coherent anthems. Ironic, since they were basically a cabaret band led by a guy so sexually frustrated Bryan Ferry would tell him to chill.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Does anyone remember an excellent two-week article in Select magazine circa 1995 called the Compleat Blur?
Yeah I remember those, and I still have those issues lying around somewhere

they crop up in stuart maconie's blur biog.

Enriquqe (Enrique), Thursday, 29 July 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, what's CSBM? I are a dumb.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"Country Sad Ballad Man".

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 29 July 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Blur win. I may only own Parklife (perfect? Almost) and The Great Escape (teenager sucked in by Britpop hype back in '95) and a couple of singles, but those albums are excellent (less so TGE, some dodgy tracks contained therein). Their singles are almost always great, however, and that includes 'Chemical World', one of the pre-fame singles I've bothered to check. And they inspired one of Cornelius' best remixes, so good on 'em.

Oasis? They have 'Whatever'. And that's about it.

Pulp, I really should get more into. Jarvis is awesome.

Suede were led by Brett. Therefore, dud.

PS dl - 'Country Sad Ballad Man'.

R.I.M.A. (Barima), Thursday, 29 July 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

way upthread: "Best Days" is a Coxon? I never knew.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I think so Roxy - he may have even sung on it. I'm pretty sure he wrote it somehow.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

He definitely didn't sing it. I don't think he wrote it, either...

Kate Jane Connolly (fixitgirl), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

He probably sang backups. The melody sounds really Albarn to me, though, so I'm skeptical.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

To much Suede hating here.

C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing you didn't say yourself earlier.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 30 July 2004 06:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, Blur. You know, this thread makes me realize how sick I am of trying to shove music that I haven't heard before down my own throat all the time. I just got done listening to some Beatles stuff I and everyone else in the world has heard 57 million times, and you know, I wasn't bored - I enjoyed the hell out of it. So why don't I just pull out some Blur right now, something I already know and can count on?

Fave b-sides - "I'm Fine", "Mr. Briggs", "Day Upon Day" (live), oooh and Mace too.

If I had to pick a fave album: Parklife, but it was 13 that fulfilled my wildest dreams of what they could be (see: Trimm Trabb and at least half the album)

I think it's interesting that the consensus here seems to go against Think Tank. I hadn't expected that, since it seemed like most of the reviews I read were positive. I bought it and really liked some of it a lot and was about to go full blown into it when I got distracted by other things and just never went back to it, so I almost don't feel qualified to comment on it one way or another.

I would like to see Graham come back to the fold, though, definitely, but I must say I enjoyed seeing them live on the Think Tank tour a hell of a lot more than I thought I would.

even if they'd only wrote "this is a low", well, that's better than any oasis tune I've ever heard.

Frankly I laughed when the whole Blur vs. Oasis thing was cooked up by the press. Oasis had their good days, but there was never, ever in my mind any question of who was better.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 30 July 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still in awe at the amount of praise Blur are suddenly getting over Oasis. Maybe it's a shift in attitudes or maybe it's just that people who actually care about music as opposed to what pop stars do in the papers prefer Blur.

I was listening to Think Tank last night and I have to say that musically it's really wonderful - it's like a prog/krautrock album with loads of interesting arrangements. Sadly I think it's the presence of Albarn's pulsating and never-shrinking ego that fucks it up. Blur's least impressive albums for me have been the ones where Damon hams up his narcissism like he's singing to himself in the mirror and pulling all these mock-sincere faces. It's why I liked the self-titled album so much is because suddenly he wasn't the most important thing about Blur - they really felt like a proper indie-pop band again after TGE. But then of course Justine left him and he had to tell the world in order to satiate his self-importance.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

Also it does my heart good to see so much talk of Country Sad Ballad Man. That song really made a heavy impression on me, probably more than any on that record.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 30 July 2004 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm...well it's hard to comment on the first album because I tend to think of it in the context of other music around at the time. I do recall Damon saying the lyrics were shite on it and I agree with that.
Frankly, I expected them just to be a flash in the pan the way most things seemed to be then, and even if they'd only done that one album, they would still have been a pretty good flash in the pan, I think.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 30 July 2004 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I never have and probably never will give a shit about either band.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 30 July 2004 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

13 is a brilliant EP lurking in a generally excellent record, think tank fucking sucks.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Friday, 30 July 2004 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I think this would have made a nice condensced account of the best songs of Blur's latter days. No B-sides I'm afraid.

Trimm Trabb
Ambulance
Coffee & TV
Mellow Song
Out Of Time
Sweet Song
Caravan
Caramel
Battle
Good Song

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Blur's least impressive albums for me have been the ones where Damon hams up his narcissism like he's singing to himself in the mirror and pulling all these mock-sincere faces. It's why I liked the self-titled album so much is because suddenly he wasn't the most important thing about Blur - they really felt like a proper indie-pop band again after TGE. But then of course Justine left him and he had to tell the world in order to satiate his self-importance.


Doglatin so otm here. "Tender" is probably the worst example of this (even though I kind of enjoy the song -- if I imagine him singing it or god forbid watch that awful video, I can't stand it.)

Though I consider myself without doubt more of a fan of the early stuff than the latter stuff, I can't help but consider "Battle" the best thing they've ever done.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

someone else who hates tender - cool.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Battle came into itself when they played it live at Reading festival circa 1999. Suddenly it felt like the world had lit up into a million different colours. Blew me away.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Tee hee, I once wrote an entire fanzine article just about how great Battle was, as a song.

(I thought it was archived online somewhere but it's not.)

Wow, what a freaking great song, though.

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"Battle" is a fucking amazing song, certainly my favourite Blur track.

At the time ('95) I kind of liked Blur, but a lot of their pre-Blur material sounds embarrassingly dated now. Blur itself is patchy but has a few genius moments, 13 is the only full album I have much time for. I find that the Best Of suffices, generally.

Oasis are just plain dreadful, and have no redeeming features whatsoever. Not a single good thing has come out of their existence. Quite possibly the worst band ever.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Alex's reactionary bashing of lad culture.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh.

Nick, it's cos lad culture sucks.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

that interview in iirc select where alex james said he was going to fukc liam g up the ass, whilst holding onto liam's eyebrows, and liam would cry out "in his coarse northern voice" = one of teh funneyest things I have ever read.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex said that?!?!? OMG, WTF? Classique, classique, utter classique! I bet he said it quite calmly, in that surreal whisper of his. Heh heh.

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember that!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey - remember Me Me Me? That was a good song! Especially the way Alex pronounced "things" had me rolling on the floor. I recall it sounded a bit like "Fit But You Know It" or am I wrong?

Remember what kicked off the whole Blur/Oasis controversy - Brit awards 95. Blur walked away with 5 awards and Oasis got one or two. I remember thinking "Oh it's hat fucking boring band they've been playing on the radio who sound like Shed Seven. How dare they take the piss out of Parklife by singing "Marmite" over it. Bunch of tossbags".

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

TABITHA'S ISLAND, I WISH IT WERE MY LAND, MY ISLAND, MY ISLAND, LAND AHOY!!!

We used to shout for that at gigs, because it annoyed Damon so much. Once or twice, Alex even played us the bassline... ;-)

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I alone in liking both Oasis and Blur back in 1995? I prefer Blur now though.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought Morning Glory simply because everyone did. I think I remember quite liking it at the time.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick -- yeah, I liked 'em both, though obviously knew 'Country House' was best. But although I bought both 'TGE' and 'WTSMG' I hardly listened to either. In fact I doubt I ever played 'WTSMG' all the way through. I liked 'Blur' but never liked Oasis again.

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Oasis had some songs that are at least as good as Blur's best. Masterplan and Listen Up I prefer, quite possibly, to anything Damon and the boys ever did.

C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Except Blue Jeans. Obviously.

And maybe Chemical World.

C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Masterplan and Half a World Away were the only Oasis songs I thought were truly worthy of the hype.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I liked 'Acquiesce' and that NINE FUCKIN YEARS AGO. Now 'Modern Life Is Teh Rub' is the only Blur/Oasis LP I could contemplate listening to. Blur was the first gig I ever went to (Oct 94, Cambridge Corn Exchange). But no matter.

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

They played there in 94? I'm sure I saw the Boo Radleys (my first gig) about the same time over there and at the time Blur concerts were massiver. Maybe that was 95. Yeh it was 95 - ignore me.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

it was a special one-off 'warm-up' for ally pally or something. they did similar in '97 at teh junction. half of hrsfc queued in the snow for it one janurary morn...

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

And nobody told me? Cunt0rz! See why I hated HRSFC? Ah, maybe I wasn't there by then.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

jan 97--it was qt hush-hush. but that was my lower sixth, so perhaps you weren't there? it didn't set the world on fire, tbh. i think they just played 'blur' in sequence plus that one off of 'trainspotting'.

ENRQ (Enrique), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone please eloquently defend Oasis as exciting and soul-stirring -- I don't have time right now. I don't like one-sided things (especially as I love both bands [but love Blur more]).

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say that "Live Forever" is pretty exciting and soul stirring - as is "Acquiese" and "Stay Young". Something about them sound exciting and makes me pretty happy when I hear them - in the house or out at the pub or played live.

C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone else?

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Go lick a dead hamster's bum.

C-Man (C-Man), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Blur:

Leisure: OK, some nice songs. Still patchy. Love "Bang" for its archetypical hyper twee Englishness though.

Modern Life Is Rubbish: Lots of great stuff. Particularly "Sunday Sunday", "For Tomorrow" and "Colin Zeal" are classic Blur songs, among the best they ever did

Parklife: Deserved classic status, in spite of the spoken verse-title track being terribly overrated.

The Great Escape: Underrated, and their best work ever. Contains one of the best ever pop singles in "Country House". At the height of the band war, Blur were better than Oasis. "Globe Alone" was awful though.

Blur: OK, save for a "Song 2", "Easy Listening" and "Chinese Bombs". Was a disappointment to me at the time, but repeated listening reveals the album as another great one

13: Although this has its moments too ("Coffee And TV"), it remains their worst album. Lots of unlistenable noise, and lots of unusually tuneless songs.

Think Tank: Better than "13", but still far from their best. Oasis may have lost it, but Blur certainly have too.

Oasis:

Definitely Maybe: This one is indeed overrated. Sure, "Supersonic", "Live Forever", "Rock'n'Roll Star", Slide Away" and "Married With Children" are great songs, but the rest aren't. And the production is awfull all the way through, way too fixated on ugly guitar feedback. Hardly the classic it is claimed to be.

What's The Story (Morning Glory): Their classic, with lots of great songs and a considerable improvement in production (those vocal harmonies in "She's Electric" and "Cast No Shadow" are certainly classy!). Their masterpiece, but still not quite up there with "The Great Escape".

Be Here Now
There are a few nice songs here (I love "Stand By Me" and "Don't Go Away"), but generally the album is overblown and overlong. Some tracks, such as the awful Bon Jovi-like "Fade In-Out" and the worthless and unlistenable guitar feedback noise of "It's Getting Better Man" should have been left off the album.

Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants
A huge improvement in production and songwriting and IMO their most underrated work. They have wisely turn down both the feedback noise and the tempo, creating several beautiful melodic ballads. Even Liam manages to come up with a nice tune, although the lyrics aren't quite level with the tune.

Heathen Chemistry
Having two profilic songwriters join the band should normally improve the quality of their output. The problem here is that Noel, normally their best songwriter, seems to have lost it completely. And if Andy Bell has managed to come up with some of the quality material he used to while in Ride and Hurricane #1, it was obviously still refused by the Gallaghers. Still not as bad as Blur's later efforts have been though.


My conclusion is that Blur wins, because their best material was better. Today, both have lost it, Blur so more than Oasis, but I still rank Blur on top because of their 1993-95 material being superior to almost anything else at the time.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Blur: OK, save for a "Easy Listening"

What is this?

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops. That is "MOR", not "Easy Listening"

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

FATHER DAMIEN: “Which one do you prefer: Oasis or Blur?”
FATHER DOUGAL: "Uh...Blur!"
FATHER DAMIEN: “Wot?!”
FATHER DOUGAL: “I mean Oasis! Oasis!”

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 2 August 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

First thing I thought of as well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 August 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Geir's list is hilarious: 'Bang' as best track on 'Leisure'; 'The GReat Escape' as Bloor's best album... even on home ground it's a litany of wrong.

ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 08:12 (twenty-one years ago)

They hated Bang, but I like it quite a lot.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

"Sing" is by some distance the best track on Leisure.

I think The Great Escape might be my favourite Blur record; meant a lot to me back in the 1995 day.

But "Popscene" is my favourite individual Blur track.

Don't think I ever "got" Oasis. But when you consider that the month their first album came out was the same month that - pause for breath - the Prodigy's Music For The Jilted Generation, Portishead's Dummy, Jeff Buckley's Grace, Orbital's Snivilisation and the Manics' Holy Bible also came out, then it's perhaps understandable.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 3 August 2004 08:28 (twenty-one years ago)

"Popscene" was meant to be a 'punk' track. But then they had to add rubbish horn sections to it...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)

'Popscene' through 'Modern Life' they were unassailable. 'Parklife' was a defining record for me but so were 'Snivilization' (or, actually, the 'Are We Here' 5-tracker), 'Dummy', 'Teh Holy Bible' and 'Music for the Jilted Generation'. 'Modern Life' is the only LP I think I can listen to now.

ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Parklife and 13 are my favourite Blur albums. Oasis I like (nay, love?) about 5-10 songs by.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcello - is that the most influential month in modern British (alternative) music history then?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

It does look like the month in which all the foundations were laid, doesn't it?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

All that and 'Everybody's Got One' by Echobelly...

ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Definitely. It's quite weird, thinking about it. Was it June? I was only 15 or so and can't remember exactly.

C-post - yr a sick man, ENRQ.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

No it was August.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Twas Aug although 'Jilted Gen' was abt June or maybe July. Definitely during summer term cos I cycled all the way in to town during lunch break that Monday to buy it.

Dummy and Sniv were the same day I think.
Def Maybe and Holy Bible were definitely the same day: the Monday bank holiday. WHSmiths was the only vendor open so that was where I got 'em.

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow! Hang on, was this 1994? Yes, I bought Parklife on my birthday October 5th 1994 and that was the first "proper album" (as opposed to cahrt compilations) I'd bought with my own money, so you could say I'm the result of that paradigm shift.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Definitely Maybe was semi ignored when it came out wasn't it? I remember a few single paragraph reviews before the buzz.

I still like Oasis (even BHN!). I have long since ditched all my Blur albums except for The Great Escape, which I only really kept for Yuko and Hiro (bloody fantastic track). If I'm honest I still like the whole of TGE lots, but don't need any more Blur.

I have always found Pulp strangely cold and unloveable, there's just something too clever-clever and knowing about the likes of Common People, Sorted.., Mis-shapes etc. I think after years out in the wilderness JC tried too hard to be of the moment when his chance came. I dislike Different Class intensely, although I do have some time for Hardcore and the next one - more human.

Suede - pompous and wretched.

Best 'Britop' album by a mile - Elastica.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Aug '94. I've been saying this since '95!!!! DL, that was the day after Bloor played the Corn Exchange. It was a big year. Also General Levy.

Dr C. -- no, 'Def Maybe' wasn't ignored, not in Select, anyway. 'Live Forever' was widely seen as a classic at the time, I think.

Oh yeah actually 'Dog Man Star' probably got mo' hype in the music press.

ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean 'didn't get as much hype as you'd expect it would have' if you see what I mean. I remember the Q review was only a little un.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Dr. C OTM about Pulp. I didn't hate them or anything, they just didn't appeal to me as a band. I think I bought a couple of singles, but even as a Blur fan I found them far too foppish to take seriously. I think if I'd been there now I think I'd appreciate the cleverness and intricacies better than I did as a fifteen year old. As it happens I can't help seeing Pulp as a one-album band for some reason.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

It was a big year. Also General Levy.

This had me falling out my chair - much as I like the MBeat song.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

"Incredible" was Paul McCartney's single of the year IIRC...

*goes off to check old diaries*

quite correct, Music For The Jilted Generation released 4th July 1994.

Def Maybe was raved about all over the place - 10/10 in NME etc. Typical that Q missed out on it, as they usually manage to miss out on everything else. It certainly was released on Aug Bank Hol Mon 'cos I remember going into HMV Bond Street and getting that + Holy Bible. The other big name record out that week was a Three Tenors album, and there was a bit of a hyped-up kerfuffle about who was going to get the number one slot (Oasis got it).

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 3 August 2004 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

haha 'New to Q' as spoofed in Select: "If you were on the Britannia Music Club scene in the late '80s, you'll have heard of Peter Gabriel..."

Dog -- I wd actually like to know what 'real' dnb fanz/junglists think of 'Incredible'. Coz indie me fucking loved it, but, being told somewhere that it was pop shit, didn't really follow it up. But in my memory that and 'Jilted' were the sound of that summer.

ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

When did these records come out?:

Cypress Hill: Black Sunday
Offspring: Self Esteem / Smash

I vaguely remember play Super Nintendo and listening to these about the same time (maybe a little later?).

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I did a kickarse mix where I layered a dub track by Spectre over "Incredible" and it worked a treat since the MBeat track hasn't got a whole lot of bass frequencies. I wish I still had a copy.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Black Sunday was '93.

ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

the first time i heard/saw 'Incredible was on MTV Party Zone and it blew me away - i think it dented the top 40 on it's original release. by the time it was remixed and re-released and made the top 10 i was quite bored of it tho. M-Beat had one other good track in the form of 'Style'.

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

the thing about the success of 'Incredible' was that it prompted General Levy to pronoune himself as leader/runner/king of the jungle scene which sparked furious anger among the likes of Fabio, rider, Goldie, Ray keith, Kenny Ken, Hype and other scene luminaries. Big big thing at the time - obv. no nasty confrontation followed (unlike the sort of beef you'd get if it was hip hop) and it seems like a real storm in a teacup in retrospect. but it's yet another reason why 94/95 was An Exciting Time For British Music TM i suppose.

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't for the life of me think what "Incredible" is and I'm at work - if anybody has an MP3 of it to hand I'd be most grateful if they could email it to my gmail account. Cheers.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

As for Oasis and Blur, liked both quite a bit - prefered the first two Oasis albums to any Blur album but really want to hear 'Battle' now

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

probably wrong of me to list Hype among those who criticised Levy - as he's featured it in his Jungle Massive retrospective mix. I wonder if any of the DJs who did take offence to Levy's comments (supposedly misquoted anyway) play 'Incredible' now actually...

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

did 'incredible' crop up on the soundtrack to 'ali g indahouse'? i think it might've been in the scene of him tearing up his hood in his car.

ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

First time I heard "Incredible" was the first time I'd heard of Jungle on a show called The White Room which had a thoroughly excellent episode about Reggae. Wish I could watch it again now.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

think i first heard it on the oivning session with stoive and jo.

ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

But then they had to add rubbish horn sections to it...

It actually made the song sound a bit Teardrop Explodes, as Simon Price noted when it came out as a single...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

In what way could Popscene be their best song, sorry?

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Like 98% of the population I didn't hear it when it came out (I was 11 anyway) but it is very good. Not their best. But one of their best fast ones. Good guitar? My sister stoled my copy in about 97 so I have no idea now. Obviously the fact it's hard to track down (my copy was on a bootleg) has boosted its stock. Also it has britpop-historical significance.

ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

what was the historical significance again? didn't they blame Nirvana going to Geffen for poor sales of that single or something?

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
Have opinions changed since 2004? I reckon there's definitely a swing from Oasis to Blur every couple of years or so. I reckon Oasis would be most popular at the moment.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

This mysterious universe you mention, tell me more of it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

Oasis revisionism? I thought we were above that?

To add my own spin to the Blur album ratings: Leisure 7 out of 10, MLIR 8, Parklife 8, TGE 8, Blur 9, 13 10, Think Tank 7.

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

jesus what is this fox news shit

just say no to individuality (fandango), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dichotomy

just say no to individuality (fandango), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

eighteen years pass...

channel 4 showing Supersonic...

directly opposite

sky arts showing To The End and the recent Wembley stadium gig

koogs, Saturday, 5 July 2025 21:18 (eight months ago)

seems like every time one of these bands breaks up the other reforms.

doe on a hill (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 5 July 2025 23:31 (eight months ago)

no it doesn’t

Nancy Makes Posts (sic), Sunday, 6 July 2025 00:02 (eight months ago)

"Incredible" was Paul McCartney's single of the year IIRC..

Mind blown by this. Surely it can’t be true, can it?

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 6 July 2025 13:52 (eight months ago)

A few years earlier Paul loved On a Ragga Tip so much (having first heard it on Kiss) (!) that he got XL to send him a copy. As stated on The Chart Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XFkqxafdPc

you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 6 July 2025 19:46 (eight months ago)

All of this is probably beaten by how Des O'Connor's favourite album ever was Experience

you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 6 July 2025 19:50 (eight months ago)

Ha, it was only through this and the Wonderwall thread that I was reminded that Noel's daughter is named Anaïs Gallagher - apparently after Anaïs Nin. Somehow I feel the delicate erotica of Little Birds was what was missing from the brothers' lyrics...

JifMoose, Tuesday, 8 July 2025 12:51 (eight months ago)

Yeah I assume she was named by her mother.

Proust Ian Rush (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 12:54 (eight months ago)

any love for heathen chemistry? so many don't seem to care for this one. it was the first oasis disc i had when i was a kid, so maybe that's the bias for me... the first 5 tracks are solid, if a bit cheesy; hindu times is such a belter, and stop crying your heart out is just behind wonderwall for high emotions...! songbird is so, so sweet too.

maelin, Friday, 11 July 2025 12:06 (eight months ago)

Yes! I feel that Heathen Chemistry is easily the best post-Morning Glory album. Like, by far. I'm always surprised when I see it at the bottom of Oasis album ranking lists.

Davey D, Friday, 11 July 2025 15:47 (eight months ago)

"All of this is probably beaten by how Des O'Connor's favourite album ever was Experience"

You have to admit that it's a pretty good snapshot of rave music circa 1992, and "Death of the Prodigy Dancers" demonstrates that they were capable of putting on an entertaining live show, which is something Des O'Connor would have appreciated given his theatrical background.

Ashley Pomeroy, Saturday, 12 July 2025 21:34 (eight months ago)


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