This is the thread where Jon Williams convinces me to show up early to the Sonic Youth show tonight in order to see Hair Police and Wolf Eyes

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― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, what have you got to lose?

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

There'll be space to sit on the floor at that time. Bring your cardigan in case it's sticky with beer.

― Jon Williams (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

What have I got to lose? Not too much, I guess -- but I don't particularly like standing around for a while listening to bands I don't know, unless they're good.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Hair Police are kinda blah, but Wolf Eyes are excellent. I regret not getting to see them open for Sonic Youth in Chicago a couple years ago.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't go early. Stay at home and butter up an oliveloaf.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Mmm, oliveloaf.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Bring your cardigan in case it's sticky with beer.

But then my cardigan would get sticky with beer!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

You shouldn't go. You should give your ticket ok thnx bye.

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you mean to say "to me"?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I honestly can't see you liking them, jaymc, but you are really open-minded and stuff, so maybe you'll prove me wrong? Personally I think they'd be better in front of a crowd as headliners (that can get really intense), but maybe the chance for major audience alienation/bummeration could open up something.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

what did they sell out chicago?

― kephm, Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The show is sold out, yes.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe it would be nice to go early to see some bands you've never seen, because maybe you will like them! Jesus Christ!

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I would go to the Olive Garden and then drive to the show and listen to mp3s of belle and sebastian in your car until you're absolutely positive that the opening bands are off and then safely make your entrance.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I dig Obedience Cuts!

...course they won't play from the record.

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

In your cardigan.
xpost

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost) Yes, Roxy, I agree with that idea on principle (seeing opening bands in case I like 'em). But Hstencil is right that bands like Wolf Eyes are probably not my thing ... although I will say that I can listen to the craziest noise band for hours as long as there's a steady beat. I don't know where Wolf Eyes fits into that.

Also: I'm not seriously agonizing about this. In fact, I probably will go to see Wolf Eyes, at least.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.jereva.com/basch/bandstand.gif

it's got a good beat and YOU CAN DANCE TO IT!!!

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

a lot of Wolf Eyes stuff has beats, but not necessarily steady ones.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Just bring a tiny drum machine and hold it to your ear.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Scalp yr ticket and buy some stuffed pizza instead.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

also crazy noize stuff with steady beat probably = Mammal.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard that Wolf Eyes album on Sub Pop yesterday. "crazy."

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Wouldn't a Richard Marx album turned up so loud your speakers are distorting be more "intense"?

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Mammal's most recent stuff doesn't focus on the sick beatz of yesteryear.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

DUDE YOU ARE GOING TO SEE SONIC YOUTH HOW MUCH WORSE CAN IT GET THAN THAT

― dean? (deangulberry), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

the part where all the music stops for like 4 beats is INTENSE!!!
"stabbed in the face" enjoyable but 0 replay value.

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Wouldn't a Richard Marx album turned up so loud your speakers are distorting be more "intense"?

only if you're you.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

WHRZEEEEVER YOU GO WHRZEEEEVER YOU DOO I WILL BEE RZIIZIGHT HEREE...

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Hair Police. You should go and throw sticky things at Robert's afro.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

jaymc I will pay you $4 and give you a haircut if you give me your ticket to this show ok thnx bye.

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Hair Police are hit & miss for me. I really dug on the Rattler's Echo 3" which focussed on stoned textures and epic soundscapes. The stuff that tries to rawk... I'm not as into. But whatever, they'll be entertaining live anyway and there's a good chance they'll at least do something to interest you.

Wolf Eyes rule, end of story.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

wolf eyes are actually something you should see at least once, jaymc. hair police...well, you'll survive.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

that is probably way more convincing than anything the rest of us could say, actually.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

T/S: Being with people in a public space watching musicians do their thing vs. More ILX fun

― dean? (deangulberry), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Update:

So I got to the Vic at 9 PM, figuring Hair Police would be over and I'd catch the start of the Wolf Eyes set. I walked in, heard a mushroom cloud of noise, went to the restroom, bought a beer, and by the time I found a place to stand, the set was over. I saw Wolf Eyes for two minutes. Obviously, it's hard for me to judge based on only two minutes, but I wasn't that impressed. What they did wasn't altogether different than what Sonic Youth sometimes does (like that hidden track on Experimental Jet Set), but there wasn't any context to it.

Sonic Youth were fantastic, though, barring a few technical problems (a loud amp feedback hum on "Paper Cup Exit," Thurston's guitar much louder than Lee's on "Unmade Bed") and excepting the fact that they didn't play "The Dripping Dream"! The highlight for me was "Stones," which they rocked more than on record. The nicest surprise was "Skip Tracer," which I haven't seen them play since '95, probably. They closed the show with a pretty kick-ass rendition of "Sugar Kane," although I was still wishing so much for "The Dripping Dream" that I was disappointed. Still, even though I haven't seen a ton of shows this year, it may have been the best so far.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, you are *SUCH* a corny 90's indie fuq

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Where were you yesterday, dude?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

(home sick)

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

What they did wasn't altogether different than what Sonic Youth sometimes does (like that hidden track on Experimental Jet Set), but there wasn't any context to it.

uh, what?

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

what does o'rourke do onstage, play the triangle?

― Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Wolf Eyes plays like... circuit bent voltage transformers and drum machines, tape delay, a gong with a MACE, *maybe* a fuzzed out guitar occasionally.

HOW CAN THAT SOUND LIKE SONIC YOUTH?

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Thurston Moore (haha@hidinghisemail)

yeh i wanna b yr dog jam was in salt lake city - thats where that photo of me hurling gong
over twigs head comes from. extremely gnarly jam - yeh olson killing on sax ala steve
mackay stylee---

last nite minneapolis first date w/ h police who were insanely great. wolfs come out
charged and ready and olson swings mace and immediately slices his head open. blood
streams down like pro wrestling madness - he paper towels it off as much as possible and
continuees to rock hard. blood splays all over his gear and he tries to mop it. i threw him
a towel which became scarlet. - afterwards he sits dazed and the medics check him out.
they decide to take him to emergency room and stick a hypodermic needle in his skull and
staple the gash shut. he returns in a couple of hours BRAND NEW and wolfs head off to M
St Germains for much needed beauty sleep. snzzzzzz...

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess what I meant by the "context" remark was that I like how Sonic Youth uses noise: in the context of otherwise pretty, melodic material. They were fairly noisy, Wolf-Eyes-style, in the interludes between songs, but then Steve Shelley would give a little drum roll, and the band would explode into a song -- which was great because the noise created tension that was then released. I wasn't quite able to appreciate Wolf Eyes, because it was more noise for its own sake. (But again, this is based on TWO WHOLE MINUTES.)

O'Rourke switches between guitar and bass (the latter when Kim isn't playing).

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon: Have you heard that hidden track from Experimental Jet Set?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, wolf eyes has sick BEATS and PULSING rhythm.

fuck you corny whiteboy indie fuck

http://www.underwater.youngteam.co.uk/img/jmascis3.jpg

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(Because otherwise, I'm mostly talking about live Sonic Youth than anything else on record.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Wolf Eyes is not noise per se (at least not noise for it's own sake), they have very structured songs/sets. However, the structure is usually that of very long songs which, taken out of context, may not be apparent as such.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

And I remain open to Wolf Eyes, of course. (Especially if they do, in fact, have SICK beat and PULSING rhythm!)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I kinda figured Wolf Eyes had to do some Alice Cooper theatre in order to inspire Jon's love. That album alone sure as fuck doens't explain it.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Miccio, please, go back to your teenpunk band ghetto.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

"the album"

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

"you like good charlotte" and "you've only heard the new album" as comebacks. i wouldn't be throwing around the phrase "corny indie fuck" if I were you, Jon.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoa whoa whoa

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.20six.fr/pub/la_chieuse_en_string/GC_and_AL_28035.jpg

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

ha i wz at that show and wondered what happened to him, i couldn't see that side of the stage that well. live by the mace, die by the mace i guess.

i liked wolf eyes, having not too much exposure to them before, tho i think they're too slow. the sounds are fantastic but it's all largo. move it along fellas!

― g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the Negative-Approach-at-16-RPM aesthetic.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

'skip tracer' and 'sugar kane'?! jaymc you luckie indie fuq

― g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

slow is intense! ask Sonic Youth, the Swans and all the bands that those who won't learn their corny indie fuckage will be condemned to repeat.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

go listen to some Richard Marx, cornball.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i just don't have a 16 rpm sensibility i guess.

― g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

cough syrup will fix that.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

haha my whole point in bringing up Marx is that his stuff is already so horrific that imagine if it was loud and slow! People would have to leave the building! It would be TOOO MUUCCHH.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

and cough syrup makes EVERYTHING sound fucked. I had a two day depression inspired by Madonna's "Music" on that shit.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"The first young shorty that ever made my preteen heart sweat at night was Brandy Salem. So fine. The stage was set for some serious 8-year-old dating action but I got snaked by this lame dude named Shawn Murphy who won Brandys eye by shuffling baseball cards faster & being a little crazier on his four-wheel green machine. It killed me ... all summer I tried to get faster on the cards & upstage everyone on the street big wheel scene, but alas, no Salem. She moved to Iowa, still think of her when that "Im in love with the sea" song comes on. Fucking Shawn.... Fast forward 21 years ... in the game of pure electronic hard-core insanity, Wolf Eyes hear rumors of this RI band of PCP chair-throwing HC yahoos who hold the crown on violence & sonic terror. Fuck that. We thought we were the end of the well in electronic napalm. This Black Dice band wanted to play in Detroit ... no one will do it. Fear of violence/death threats/general horror left them with no gig. "Why would I wanna book a band who is gonna beat up my friends?" was the local consensus. So BD get a Monday gig at Club Olson/my basement in quiet Ferndale, home to a handful of whacked out electronic misfit gigs. Neighbors of the crib being left side= young couple / right side = quiet lesbian couple with child. My cell rings nonstop days before the gig with crazed young HC fiends asking if the gig is true. I start to get nervous, then I hear they need like 30,000 watts for their gig. What the? Gig day/come home from my office job & the Dice dudes are waiting for me. These are the horrible terror junkies who stab people when they play? All I see is smiles, loafers, Bjorn playing with a kid, and starry-eyed-vacant-brain Danny. Weird. Then they load in; mounds of amplifiers, mounds. The whole basement looking like Iron Maiden was gonna play. Wolf Eyes jams, we think it is intense, whatever. Then they play ... starting with solo recorder and then / WHOA /the most violent, insane, Hiroshima tidal roar of basement sonic terror EVER. EVER. We never heard or witnessed anything so massive. We have seen the Merzbows, the Skin Crimes, the Gravitars, Youth In Asia, whatever.. This was in a totally different sound universe where the air is filled with concrete. It was louder in the street than it was in the basement black hole of sound. Imagine Black Dice playing in your fucking basement on a Monday night! Jesus. No neighbor complaints. Changed our view on sound/terror/attack. This was our challenge; meet this Dice volume unholiness on the same sonic field before Shawn Murphy & his Outlaw band does it better. Dudes were so cool two of them even slept in the basement. Awesome. So we became best friends. Nate called me at work the next morning & said "we are gonna do a record together" I laughed ... that would rule... So fast forward another two years. Here is it is. Recorded at a subterranean Chinatown studio in two days. Tons of jacked EQ, no space, cases of brew, clouds of smoke, Guinness record for most times "Dude" was said. We met on equal ground here. Total respect/the record really sounds like the shadow of each band. It was a blast. Play it on 16 rpm in a closet and jam along with the bones of an enemy. Me, it would be playing the remains of that rat fucker Shawn Murphy, dude couldnt shake shit at this horrible eerie black pond sound." - John Olson, Wolf Eyes, October 2003. Different recordings than the American Tapes CDRs. Recorded Oct 2001.

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I really need to release all the crappy noise I have recorded. Maybe this fall :(

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I could copy and paste the section from W.G. Sebald's Austerlitz where the narrator visits the archives of a Nazi concentration camp and watches a 14 minute reel of footage of the prisoners playing music that has been slowed down to last an hour. The description of the distortions of the sound is quite poetic.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

o.nate that is really crazy, when i interviewed/reviewed wolf eyes 3 years ago i mentioned something very similar going on in their music.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's a brief snippet that I transcribed from Amazon:

"In a brief sequence at the very beginning, showing red-hot iron being worked in a smithy to shoe a draft ox, the merry polka by some Austrian operetta composer on the sound track of the Berlin copy had become a funeral march dragging along at a grotesquely sluggish pace, and the rest of the musical pieces accompanying the film, among which I could identify only the can-can from La Vie Parisienne and the scherzo from Mendelssohn's Midsummer Night's Dream, also moved in a kind of subterranean world, through the most nightmarish depths, said Austerlitz, to which no human voice has ever descended."

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

well maybe not entirely similar:

Wednesday, December 12, 2001, 09:14 p.m.
WOLF EYES @ Kimo's San Francisco

Highly recommended Michigan Progressive trio featuring:

guitar/electronics/tape loops - aaron dillaway (ex-couch/galen)
harmonica/vocals/electronics - nate young (ex-nautical almanac)
electronics/vocals - john olson (ex-universal indians)

I was quite lucky to catch Wolf Eyes on the first night of their first tour west of Minneapolis and let me tell you what a fucking insensitive ear-blown audio destruction takes place within.

What began innocently enough as a blow of a harmonica into a mic (which so happened to be plugged into a maze of homemade electronics of the most perverse nature) prompting an electro-harmonic drone of which would remain lofted through the confines of kimo's for the remainder of their set. a drum machine that could not keep time... was it drunk? huffing air freshener? a rhythmic device that did nothing of the nature... but then cycles would click in... No, it was NOT a loop of an army boot in a dryer (tumbling tumble)... there was a groove coming through...

the guitar... what can I say... I SAW him playing... shredding the strings with ferocious velocity... but all that was audible was a steady wash of feedback and buzz-scorch. And tapes were being stopped and started/manipulated. The right side of the room was a hurricane that I could only explain to my friend last night walking to dinner as every sound that occured in World War II (I'm talking bombers, Dresden, Aushwitz, Midway, Nazi Death Marches... every single piercing scream to airplane engine) condensed into one single second then slowed down into a 30 minute swell.

the manipulator... john. I can't even begin to explain what he was playing, he was mellow at first, drinking budweiser, wearing a Smegma shirt (apparently whom wolf eyes just collaborated with) when suddenly this song accelerated into high decibel redline and he starts pumping his arm and thrashing at the electronic device(s?) in the folded open suitcase set up on a card table. Twisting knobs (LFOs, lo-pass oscillators?) just tweaking the overall sound and screeching along to what is being transmitted from this...

monster electronic cabinet (which i will call "The Wolf Eyes") in the middle that is just processing and re-processing this tsunami of noise-drone feeding-back upon itsself. Attached to the sides of The Wolf Eyes are these two lamp bulbs (no pun intended) that grow increasingly brighter in direct correspondance with the activity of the circuit. About 10 minutes into the set, I needed sunglasses. By the end, I was sunburnt. Nate, the fellow who plays Captain Kirk to The Wolf eyes... massages the unrhythmic machine into this POUNDING primitive industrial dirge-beat unlike anything since cabaret voltaire/throbbing gristle. And he SUNG, he was RAPPING, more like RAPING, a screamo bark mixed with the haphazard beatbox showered in the gauze of vicious, brutally mechanical feedback. What was he saying?

heavier than gravitar/merzbow? Maybe. Heavier than whitehouse?

Possibly, but these Michiganders have more to prove than sheer noise, there is an undeniable groove that is half-there/not-there. It would be hard for anyone to ignore such a unique brand of an outrageous experiential twist on a stale, stale formula.

Good news, they're in town all week:

Wed 9 p.m., Covered Wagon Saloon, 911 Folsom, S.F. $6. (415) 974-1585.
Thurs, 5 p.m., with the Lo-Fi Niesans and Chiara Giovando, Galia, 2565 Mission, S.F. $5. 415-970-9777
Fri/14, 9 p.m., with Crack: We Are Rock, Strategy, Numbers, and Randall Jones, Stork Club, 2330 Telegraph, Oakl. $7. 510-444-6174.
there are rumors of a Thrasher photo op for john and aaron's SKATER side-project: Violent Ramp! A picture that shows drummer john in mid-Naked Aggression-era tom-pummel in front of a seven-foot mantle with an ambitious young daredevil dropping in from the mantle, OVER the drumset and onto a conveniently placed launch ramp. Sure to start a skater riot at every skatepark in sight. Possible tour with Kill Rock Stars' "The Slumber Party"?

Here's a link to some mellow live footage (15min. wmv file) for the curious (courtesy of pengo/carbon records).

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

do yuo have the actual link @ hand gygax?

("lo-pass oscillators" = "my knowledge ov music electronics is somewhat limited" btw)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

uh oh FITE!

(gygax! did not attend Mills College but has jammed there brody)

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

read as: "lo-pass filtered oscillator"

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

do you guys know a band "haunted house" that's playing with NO DOCTORS?

Also: Wolf Eyes and Sonic Youth apparently did "I wanna be yr dog" together on this tour omg wtf!?!?!

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

and yes, my knowledge of electronic music is EXTREMELY limited to personal experimentation (ie, nothing formal/theoretical)...

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Loren Connors played in a band called Haunted House. I don't know if that's the same band. No Doctors are kind of forgettable.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

link to wmv file plz??

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

(1000 x apologies gygax i did not mean to sound so snarky)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Sonic Youth did "I Wanna Be Your Dog" in Detroit in 2000, with Ron Asheton (I think?) joining them on guitar.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

np pash:

http://www.carbonrecords.com/photos/pengo_wolfeyes_02_24_01/index.html

FYI: carbon records (FROM NOIZEDUDE CAPITAL ROCHESTER, NY) has tons of great video for experimental progressive acts.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Rochester and **Boston** are having better shows than Providence as of late.

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

That would be because Providence has gone down the shitter! But there are some new Brinkman jamz at Armageddon (Wolf Eyes remix!!! and MIXAPE!!) t hat i might have to go get.. I have mp3s of MixApe already, but oh, silkscreened covers and c60s...

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going to go get that shit soon, maybe this evening. Ian, I am avoiding Armageddon for the same reason you are essentially btw.

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

during the roll call of delegates Wednesday night at the DNC, my ladyfriend and I were making multiple PROVIDENCE NOISE SCENE jokes during R.I.'s delegate pledge. "Ms. Chairman, the GREAT STATE of Rhode Island, home of FORT THUNDER pledges its bbbbbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrrzxzzz0083023aazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzshhhhhhhhhweweweeeeeeeeeeblamblamblam and its 11 votes for JOHN KERRY!"

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

DOES NICOLE WORK THERE NOW TOO OR ARE YOU ALSO AVOIDING SASHA? FUCKING GAY. JOn, are you coming over tonight? Phil & Andrew & Leah are, I believe. Maybe otherszzs.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

INVITE LAAAAAAAAADIES OVER DUDE. I'm avoiding S4sha because she's, quite frankly, a cunt to me too! I don't have a problem with Nicole

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i saw wolf eyes in an apartment in korea town. fuckin BORING.

― Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

not enough slap bass?

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, sorry, that was a joke, btw.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

boston always has better shows than **providence**

― kephm, Friday, 30 July 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

hey, were you at the free lightning bolt show a few weeks ago?

no?

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

are you kidding? i ve seen LB a few times, so no big loss on my part.
you dont wanna start this debate with me , i was at a boredoms show when you were listening to the gin blossoms mofo. kisses

― kephm, Friday, 30 July 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

does wolf eyes vary their schtick from performance to performace? i've actually seen them at least four times, and i don't recall any significant difference. not that this is a problem, but i can't really fathom someone being really dedicated to wolf eyes. maybe i'm missing the nuances.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe you're a douche?

― dean? (deangulberry), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

that was...uncalled for.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

does wolf eyes ever play good music? i mean, maybe i'm confused, but i can't recall ever liking something that sounded this primitive except for the one time that i had those brain parasites in Peru. maybe it's just me, but do people (and i use that term loosely) actually enjoy listening to this music (used equally loosely)?

― amateurist? (deangulberry), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i actually LIKE wolf eyes' schitick (am i spelling that right? it looks wrong) and enjoy them to an extent.... but i got a sense of it as a kind of fixed performance art rather than really involving musical performance. what did jaymc think?

dean you are just being silly and mean. did i do something to offend you?

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

(p.s. i don't recall ever using the word "primitive" as a pejorative in that sense, so perhaps you could work a bit more on your impression?)

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

it was meant to convey your tone more than just to be a direct parody.

― dean? (deangulberry), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish wolf eyes played bluegrass.

― jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't even know who you are!

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

if regean played disco.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

also the primitivism of wolf eyes is of course a self-conscious pose (as with hair police/no doctors/etc.), so it seems a bit...sophomoric to defend them on "you can't handle the primitivism" grounds.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

who defending them? i'm mocking you for the way you puff out your chest on the internet.

― dean? (deangulberry), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks ago i wrote:

Wolf Eyes are known for varying their performances, at least on the back to back nights i saw them in 2001 and then the back to back to back nights i saw them last year. they displayed a pretty diverse range even taking on different angles of some of their more *ahem* popular nos.

-- gygax! (gygax0...), July 16th, 2004 12:25 PM. (gygax!)

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"i wish wolf eyes played bluegrass."

jack, don't say that. There are way too many ex-noisniks picking up banjos as it is.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.ihatetorock.com/digital/tour/newport_ky_05-30-03/marquee.jpg

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

best image ever found randomly googling!

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

-- gygax! (gygax0...), July 16th, 2004 12:25 PM. (gygax!)

ok, cool, i missed that. maybe i actually should see them more, and get a feel for their differnt "numbers" and how they mess with them.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread, and the "Punching Girls in the Face" thread, could and should benefit from my unique subjectivity, but I feel, in the long run, my involvement would do more harm than good. Both threads beckon me, even while I showered upstairs, but I choose to abstain for the time being. I simply do not have the energy. (adopts Homer voice) Sincerely, Roger Adultery

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

50% Beam Splitter are the shit, dude. I gotta jam that CDr of theirs more.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish somebody would name their reasons why wolf eyes are so bad and hated

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

btw I hate the southgate house

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I HAET WOLF EYES BECAUSE CDRS DON'T PLAEY IN MY SADKND

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Wolf Eyes. At least on record. I've never seen them live. I can imagine them live though, having seen enuff similar stuff. Some of the stuff I've heard sounds like retro-noise. Like they are trying to sound like early 80's new york metal shredders. Which is fine. I like that stuff.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Scott, can you name what bands you mean??!?

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

wolf eyes are cool but man they do not merit this much debate

― kephm, Friday, 30 July 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

KEEP BOSTON OUT OF PROVIDENCE

― REN (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm, it's more of a vibe, really. Maybe some early controlled bleeding or something off of one of those Dry Lungs comps. Or maybe even some of the brit and german stuff. Old E.N. maybe in places. It's a clanking thing. But I should say I haven't heard TONS of Wolf Eyes and I imagine that they can move from style to style from record to record. I do distinctly recall hearing one record and it sounded very much like something I would have heard from back then. I should be more specific, but I only played it once or twice. I liked it though!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

pashmina, i'm sorry, i effed that link:

http://www.carbonrecords.com/videos/pengo_10_04_01/wolf_eyes_10_04_01.wmv

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Scott, I'd really be interested to know about this stuff since I know crapall about it. PS - DO U LIKE FACTRIX

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you would really enjoy some of those old Controlled Bleeding records. They are all over the place too. Their masterpiece was called "Swallowing Scrap Metal" and they included excerpts of it on 10 or 15 records over a 10 or 15 year period. plus, they are just insane guidos from Long Island.(no offense to any guidos out there. I like guidos.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm gonna start a thread on those guys. They deserve one.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

You can see a Wolf Eyes interview/performance here (scroll down a little):
http://www.brainwashed.com/brain/brainv06i48.html

Paul Lemos of Contolled Bleeding is still doing music surprisingly enough. Their early stuff varied from harsh noise to spooky ambient vocal/synth pieces.

― Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

'but i got a sense of it as a kind of fixed performance art rather than really involving musical performance'

I don't see why performance art couldn't be musically involving.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Who are you, Julio? I don't even know who you are.

― amateurist? (deangulberry), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

how about new blockaders bros? that 4 cdr EXTENSIVE comp of their work is simply killer. def. hearin wolves longer jams being murked in this stuff.

― brock (brock), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i just meant it sometimes seemed like the performance aspect was of greater interest to the band than the development of their music. but that's based on my own (limited, compared to some of you) impressions.

hi dean! did i ever insult you or something? i'm a little confused as to why i've become the chosen object of your ridicule today.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

your output has been steady, so it seems like boredom is to blame mostly...

― dean? (deangulberry), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, you are *SUCH* a corny 90's indie fuq

I thought this was a good-natured ribbing, until I saw the corresponding Noise Dude board thread. I'd respond there, but I'm banned from that board.

Anyway, whatever. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm interested in lots more than corny 90s indie rock. You can make fun of me for being into gay pop and electronic stuff, if you want.

(But also: one of my favorite records this year is by noise dudes Animal Collective!)

― jaymc, Monday, 9 August 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Animal Collective : Noise
Avril Lavinge : Punk

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

animal collective sound pretty musical to me.

― |a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

(and good)

― |a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

some of thr stuff is really um 'noisy' (hollindagain, danse manatee, and bits of here comes the indian too, I thought.)

― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

sung tongs, campfire songs and spirit they've vanished... are more 'musical' / melodic ("um they kinda sound like the beatles").

― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

eh, i don't care who is noise and who isn't noise. i'll leave that to the noise police. i like animal collective.

― |a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

i pretended to be into noise to get my first radio show. then i played dusty springfield and stuff.

― |a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Your opinion matters!

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I know full well that the reason I like Sung Tongs so much is that it's so melodic! Ah well...

― jaymc, Monday, 9 August 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

eh, I ws only saying. I like them too. I like other noisy stuff as well.

― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

But actually I saw them do a live set last summer that involved lots of spacey, repetitive guitar strumming and whoops and howls for like a half an hour. That was pretty awesome.

― jaymc, Monday, 9 August 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"with horns and everything!"

― jaymc, Monday, 9 August 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

jaymc, did you go see hair police and wolf eyes in the end? shd I check upthread? am I really lazy?

― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i can't even remember what i posted to this thread. another of my friends saw this show. he told me the hair police guy indulged in a bit of audience-baiting: "we're not here to serve you!" etc. can jaymc confirm this?

― |a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I missed Hair Police. I saw five minutes of Wolf Eyes. So I shouldn't have said anything about them, really.

― jaymc, Monday, 9 August 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I might like Wolf Eyes. I like their name.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Jaymc...I am pleased you like gay pop, because then you will LOVE this microhouse mix I am making you.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Even if you should be beaten for not liking Luomo.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I do love gay pop.

― jaymc, Monday, 9 August 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

after all the Wolf Eyes debate here, I'm a little disappointed that they aren't opening the SY show I'm going to. does anyone know anything about the bands that are opening the show here, White Magic and Magik Markers?

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 9 August 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I like both of those bands. Magic Markers more than White Magic; Magic Markers are weird apocalyptic noize grrlz. White Magic are kind've a folksy thang.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

taking sides: magic vs. magik

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

vs. magick

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

::drinks a glass of wyne::

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

magick by a moon-lit mile

― harshaw (jube), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i'll be at that nyc show. white magic are cool - ex Quixotic (who were awesome) but their Drag City record is meh. Magic Markers I STILL havewn't heard but Pete Nolan is involved so I'm sure it'll rule.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

reckoning, are you on shore leave or something?

― Double True!, Saturday, 24 December 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

If Santa brings you a time machine you can go.

― Edward III (edward iii), Saturday, 24 December 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

― jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Saturday, 24 December 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

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