What's the worst song on London Calling?

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Lover's Rock? Koka Kola?

frankE (frankE), Monday, 2 August 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

ALL OF THEM!!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 2 August 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Jimmy Jazz!

Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 2 August 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Train in Vain, with a bullet.

Richard K (Richard K), Monday, 2 August 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

ALL OF THEM!!!

Yay!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 August 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll second that "Yay" and a raise you a "ROFFLE".

Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Monday, 2 August 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon Williams in mentalist shockah. DON'T YOU OWN A CLASH BOXED SET?

Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 2 August 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I own London Calling, the other one and the other other one

Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Monday, 2 August 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

four horsemen

de, Monday, 2 August 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"Train in Vain", I'll agree with.

I love this album. I hate you guys.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 2 August 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

do you like fighting the MAN?

Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Monday, 2 August 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

ah yes, typecasting clash fans will do this thread wonders.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 2 August 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway that kind of criticism/joke doesn't really apply to
THIS album does it

de, Monday, 2 August 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

jon had everyone backed into a corner though, we were ready to give up and buy oscillators on layaway.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 2 August 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I have oscillators! And filters! I want to learn to bend circuits in my shit though.

I like this album way more viscerally than cerebrally. All the lyrics could be about shoving kittens into pint glasses for all I care, I just heart the way the geetars and drums and voices sound.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 2 August 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

i wouldn't be interested in the Clash at all if it wasn't for this album and sandinista, they seem like the work of a much more interesting even exciting group than the one which made the first two albums. not to mention the lame posturing

de, Monday, 2 August 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

....on them which makes them easy meat for Jon

de, Monday, 2 August 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm gonna go with "Koka Kola" here. "Lovers Rock" and "Train In Vain" are awesome, never understood the criticsm. I've been known to skip "Jimmy Jazz".

Sansai, Monday, 2 August 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

'Train In Vain" has got to be the best song on the album. PS I hate London Calling and need to get rid of my copy.

artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"Guns of Brixton" sounds kinda over the top when I'm not fifteen, too.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

The whole album is supremely limp-dicked.

artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you Realised that Rock Stars
Always seem to lie so much?
John Lydon once said he cared
But he never really gave a fuck
Said he'd use the money he made
So that people would have somewhere to go
But now he lives in the USA
and Snorts Coke after the Show.

Why is it that Rock Stars
Always seem to lie so much?
Joe Strummer once said he cared,
but he never really gave a fuck
Said he'd use the money he made
To set up a radio station to make the
Airwaves full of something more than Shit
Have you noticed we're still Waiting?

You must realise that Rock Stars
Always seem to lie so much
Some will always tell you that they care,
But they don't really give a fuck,
Still you suckers don't ever learn
That rock stars deal in money not truth
It's good Buisiness to exploit you
Just look at Lydon or Strummer for Proof.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

They said that we were trash,
Well the name is Crass, not Clash.
They can stuff their punk credentials
Cause it's them that take the cash.
They won't change nothing with their fashionable talk,
All their RAR badges and their protest walk,
Thousands of white men standing in a park,
Objecting to racism's like a candle in the dark.
Black man's got his problems and his way to deal with it,
So don't fool yourself you're helping with your white liberal shit.
If you care to take a closer look at the way things really stand,
You'd see we're all just niggers to the rulers of this land.

Punk was once an answer to years of crap,
A way of saying no where we'd always said yep.
But the moment we saw a way to be free,
They invented a dividing line, street credibility.
The qualifying factors are politics and class,
Left wing macho street fighters willing to kick arse.
They said because of racism they'd come out on the street.
It was just a form of fascism for the socialist elite.
Bigotry and blindness, a marxist con,
Another clever trick to keep us all in line.
Neat little labels to keep us all apart,
To keep us all divided when the troubles start.

Pogo on a nazi, spit upon a jew,
Vicious mindless violence that offers nothing new.
Left wing violence, right wing violence, all seems much the same,
Bully boys out fighting, it's just the same old game.
Boring fucking politics that'll get us all shot,
Left wing, right wing, you can stuff the lot.
Keep your petty prejudice, I don't see the point,
ANARCHY AND FREEDOM IS WHAT I WANT.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Scott wins, I think.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Four Horsemen.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm learning so much
from reading this weird thread but
not about the Clash

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I always used to think its worst song was "Hateful," but now that I think of it, isn't that the only fast song on the whole album? So probably not that one. (Whatever the best song is, though, it isn't as good as the worst one on *Give Em Enough Rope,* I don't think.)

chuck, Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

rest my case

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait wait wait, what about "Revolution Rock"??? Do I win?

chuck, Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

crass were such hippies

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

But they washed, presumably.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

London Calling is OVAHRATED

I like their first album better, it is teh album for all seasons

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I dont get the Train in Vain hate AT ALL. Its the only good song, and the Clash's best song.

David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, I already said that.

artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

People who hate "Train in Vain" are operating in the EXACT SAME MINDSET as people who say "Train in Vain" is the only good song on London Calling, David.

I really love this album, and I really love the Clash. I love the early stuff, I love Combat Rock, it's all part of the story for me. And I think that I'm right to do so, and I can defend it if called upon to do so, and I am not sure how much I can trust anyone who just shits all over them and dismisses them out of hand. I just wanted to say that.

Oh and "Guns of Brixton" is easily the worst song on London Calling.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say "Train in Vain" is the worst song, though I love the album as a whole. Not sure what it is that makes people hate "Koka Kola" so much, aside from the burning inspiration of being the first genius to post "because it suxors!" in response to this.

"with your snakeskin suit/and your alligator boots
you don't need a laundress/just take it to the vet!"

It ain't T.S. Eliot and it won't change the world but it's a great song off a great album. Sorry if it's not your thing, but even apart from whatever posturing Strummer did, the Clash are a damn good band.

Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

London Calling is bigger than me. I'm willing to accept that. It existed primarily in a time and cultural space that I can only imagine and will never understand fully, and in that cultural time and space, it was HUGE. Fuck canonization -- it was bigger than that. It was a great punk band.

I am sadly unable to appreciate The Clash as a punk band, but only as a rock band, and (at my most disgustingly honest) as a pop band. I'm sadly with whoever said that he couldn't give a fat turd about the lyrics. I couldn't either, unless I'm indulging myself in some opressed-class fantasy, which really is no way to listen to music.

Great album, though. Real fucking catchy.

Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

"Guns of Brixton" has way too great a bass line to be the worst song on the album. (I even like the Beats International single that sampled it.) I guess I'd say "I'm Not Down," just because I don't believe anything in that song for even a second, but it's catchy as hell and it has that great build in it...nah, I just don't hate anything on that album. It's overhated.

spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Jimmy Jazz!

-- Ian c=====8

Not the worst track, but probably the favorite track of people who wish they were listening to a different album.

Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

KOKA KOLA IS THE BEST SONG ON THE ALBUM!!!!! FAGS!!!!! For real, that and Train In Vain. Worst song: Brand New Cadillac (why has no one mentioned this yet?) or the title track, though that has grown on me. I think London Calling is not their best album but has some of their best songs. First album is one of the best records ever. Everyone neglects Give 'Em Enough Rope, which is also awesome.

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Daniel DiMAGGIO (Daniel DiMAGGIO), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"Jimmy Jazz" is a great example of how rock acts shouldn't write songs about jazz as it drags the whole album down temporarily - see also "Jazz Police" by Leonard Cohen on the otherwise faultless I'm Your Man.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 3 August 2004 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread saddens me in many ways.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Trying to get myself to like London Calling saddened me in many ways.

artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 07:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Hello, it's "Four Horsemen."

F Ath, Tuesday, 3 August 2004 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't dismiss the clash out of hand FFS!!

1/ I really really can't stand their music at all. It just sounds tinny and feeble and weak and the singing just sounds horrible to me.

plus

2/media coverage over the years kind ogf magnifies this into haterd a bit. oh, I know it shouldn't and stuff, but you know, here we go round again, "from the westway to the best rock n roll band in the world", "oh of course I like the clash", pr*g r*ck was so terribly middle class, that's why the clash were so necessary" (nb I'm not making the last one up, I heard it on radio 4 [oh, irony piled upon irony there, eh?] a few years ago) get this thrown at you frequently and regularly over a 10-15yr period and see how long it takes you to bristle at the very mention of the group's name!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 08:21 (twenty-one years ago)

So yeah, fuckum, gimme the 7" of "bank robber", which I've gotta admit is pretty fucking r0x0r in it's way, and pitch the rest in the dumper. "london Calling" is prob my least favourite (IE least endurable) out of the lot ov 'em fwiw.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"Jimmy Jazz." "Guns of Brixton" is awesome, hataz.

Maneating Leopards of India (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 08:23 (twenty-one years ago)

fwiw all the media rhetoric makes me puke but that's not the band's fault (mostly)

Maneating Leopards of India (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)

wasn't the "only band that matters" tag coined by ex- beefheart guitarist gary lucas when he was a copywriter at cbs?

Maneating Leopards of India (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never heard that one before.... this would have to have been before he joined The Magic Band of course.... he posts on the Beefheart list occasionally so I'll have to ask him!

The worst song on London Calling? I really wouldn't want to chose 'cos the album's a very clear case of the whole being vastly more than the sum of it's constituent parts. If that wasn't the case and it was just a collection of songs, the decision NOT to include Armagideon Time would have been indefensible.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Lovers Rock

John Fredland (jfredland), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Weird lot, this Clash. They debut with a single LP that should've been a double, then released a single LP that should've (and was) a single, then a double LP that should've been a single, then finally a TRIPLE LP that should've been an EP!

Anyways, here's the worst song per LP:

"Jimmy Jazz" - 3rd goddamn song and ALREADY obvious filler announces its presence.
"Spanish Bombs"
"The Card Cheat" - God I hate Phil Spector.
"Lover's Rock"

Actually, you know what I really hate about London Calling? That annoying little chorus effect (or flanger? Unsure.) that Mick uses on nearly EVERY FUCKING song! Show a little variety, dude - buy a wah-wah or something!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"Worst song per LP side," rather.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"London Calling is OVAHRATED"
Misread this as "over-HATED" which is my opinion. Part of following The Clash ca. LC/Sandinista! was absorbing their overweening ambition, filler and all, one person's favorite = another's worst, etc. That said, they're probably the one out of all my former faves that I NEVER go back to. Don't know why.
I'd bet a lot of people would pick "Magnificient Seven" as the worst track off Sandinista! yet the remixed "dub" version was a constant on WBLS in 1981. Frankie Crocker didn't fake the funk!
Maybe I'll listen to London Calling today...

mcoleman aka "lbs", Tuesday, 3 August 2004 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Spanish Bombs was great in the 10th grade.

Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

"Dub Be Good 2 Me" was better, though.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Lover's Rock's a bit boring, this thread's insane. B2D included. The history of the world disagrees w/you about Guns, man. Kenan made a good point, really

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

oh christ, i HATE ilm clash threads.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps some of the Clash hate is coming from Brits who are fed up with the aforementioned focus on "class" as a part of why they were supposedly so world-changing when in fact most (all?) of them came from middle class or upper middle class backgrounds. That and the hype generated by them over the years, together with their failure to save the world, probably engendered the backlash. Who knows.

Pashmina is right about the music sounding tinny at least on the first Clash LP, it took me a while to get used to and there's no getting around that there's nothing inherently "great" about sounding like you were recorded from a microphone buried in a trash can.

I suppose most classic punk bands except Sham 69 would also fall under the middle-class demographic, but once again that only matters if you take punk's politics seriously (something that gets harder to do with each year). Let's leave the ideological baggage behind and just treat it as a musical revolution that, for better (and sometimes worse) changed the world.

Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean fuck someone named the title track, AWWW what's WRONG w/ROCK MUSIC? I like it Ok a lot of the time

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

"I disagree w/the lyrics" oh, life. Is bigger. It's bigger than me, but you are not me.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't believe someone said "Spanish Bombs," that's like one of my top 5 Clash songs ever

Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Really? "The Guns of Brixton"? That's one of their better ones, methinks...

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"Jimmy Jazz" is a great example of how rock acts shouldn't write songs about jazz as it drags the whole album down temporarily...

I'm confused as to how this song is about jazz.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"revolution rock" is fantastic.

"jimmy jazz" always reminds me a bit of "i want to hold your hand."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Worst song: Brand New Cadillac

this has some validity actually...

frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Marcello's ideas about jokes are far beyond most of us

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"Perhaps some of the Clash hate is coming from Brits who are fed up with the aforementioned focus on "class" as a part of why they were supposedly so world-changing when in fact most (all?) of them came from middle class or upper middle class backgrounds."

Eh? Strummer came from a middle class background but was squatting in Ladbroke Grove when he was in the 101ers / before he joined The Clash. The others came from the high-rise slums of London IIRC.

"That and the hype generated by them over the years, together with their failure to save the world, probably engendered the backlash."

The Clash were accused of selling out at regular intervals starting with the day they signed to CBS. I particularly remember disgruntled fans burning copies of the Capital Radio freebie outside the gigs on one tour as a result of a perceived act of "selling out" the details of which escape me now.

"I suppose most classic punk bands except Sham 69 would also fall under the middle-class demographic"

This is completely wrong in every possible respect.

Quite apart from anything else, Sham came from a more middle class area / background than just about any other, moderately successful, '77 UK punk group I can think of!

Are you seriously trying to tell me that you believe the Sex Pistols (just for example) came from a "middle-class demographic"?!?

".... but once again that only matters if you take punk's politics seriously"

You're either not from the UK, are less than 40 years old, or both.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think I've ever heard a single song from "London Calling" and I don't think I want to.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Joe Strummer went to boarding school. Mick Jones came from a working-class background (these are both from allmusic). From what I can recall of reading "England's Dreaming," I remember they weren't exactly street urchins. Hence "middle class roots."

"While most of the early British punk bands spoke of working-class concerns -- primarily unemployment and the shrinking U.K. economy, which was leaving a generation with nothing to do and nowhere to go -- many of the pioneering groups had working-class credentials that were suspect at best; the Sex Pistols' career was being molded by a haberdasher and would-be artist, while the Clash were led by the son of a diplomat. Sham 69, however, was different; proletarian and proud of it, Sham 69 was the voice of the people in the first wave of British punk" - allmusic again.

"Sham 69 was formed in the working-class community of Hersham (in Surrey) in 1975 by singer and lyricist Jimmy Pursey..." - allmusic again.


Once again, from "England's Dreaming," I seem to recall one or two of the Sex Pistols having gone to art school (not to mention Malcolm McLaren's idol-making tactics).

I'm neither from the UK nor older than 40 (try half that) but I'd be interested in what you have to say about all of the points you raised.

(On yet another tangent, by "classic" punk bands I meant the ones best known, i.e. the Pistols, Clash, Buzzcocks, X-Ray Spex, the Jam, the Undertones, Siouxsie, Stranglers).

Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

People disparaging "London Calling" is all the proof that I need that there is no God. That and the fact that W. will probably get re-elected.

kwhitehead (stephen schmidt), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

what's the worst song on Black Market Clash?

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, I prefer X-Ray Spex

God is a punk rocker, Tuesday, 3 August 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

What's your definition of "street urchins"? OK, there was a sub-class (cf: Rotten - No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs!) but generally we're talking about the late '70's, not something out of Charles Dickens....

There wasn't (isn't) that much of a divide between the middle and working classes. People could and did regularly move between the two within the course of a generation / lifetime and members of the same family could easily be in different classes. In 1977 "unemployment and the shrinking U.K. economy" was arguably as much of a threat to the middle classes as it was to the working classes.

Going to boarding school != you are a member of the aristocracy by any means - plenty of people from ordinary middle class homes went to boarding school.

Much has been made of Joe's dad being "a diplomat" - as I understand it's something of an exaggeration (he held what was actually a fairly junior position in the civil service IIRC). He did however have to work abroad quite a bit, hence Joe (and his older brother) spent some time in boarding schools. Joe's brother committed suicide because he didn't fit in at boarding school which is what led to Joe quitting and going squatting.

Let's clear this up right now: Hersham is / was no more "a working-class community" than it is / was within the sound of Bow Bells. It is generally affluent, commuter belt. The members of Sham 69 were no more working class than they were Cockneys. Jimmy Pursey is / was completely full of shit.

Ditto also Bromley and all the bands that came from there too FWIW.

Going to art school != you were a member of the landed gentry either. Probably midle class.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Where did Steve Ignorant of Crass come from? Cuz he always sounded like he was stuck in a chimney with Jack Wild and Fagin.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)

Interesting. That makes a lot of sense, though I have a couple more questions. You mentioned that Sham 69 was hardly working class whereas most "classic" (according to my earlier definition) punk bands were. When you say this, do you mean they were working-class as defined by your class mobility argument, where the divide was quite small?


Also, since you seem to know a lot about this and/or were there when it happened: I've heard some rather cynical accounts of early punk shows that describe the audiences of these bands as primarily middle-class (or let's say "well-off") kids slumming it in the city centres and then taking the subways back to their comfortable suburban existence. What was your impression of these shows and their audience?

Thanks already though, I'm somewhat fascinated by that era enjoy reading any and all accounts, especially if they're conflicting with (or breaking down) any established myths.

Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

...era AND enjoy...

Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"Interesting. That makes a lot of sense, though I have a couple more questions. You mentioned that Sham 69 was hardly working class whereas most "classic" (according to my earlier definition) punk bands were. When you say this, do you mean they were working-class as defined by your class mobility argument, where the divide was quite small?"

Sorry if I've given a slightly misleading impression - the fact was that Sham 69 were certainly no more working class than most of the other bands and in many cases an awful lot less; they simply affected to be far more working class than they actually were and to come from far more deprived (depraved?) backgrounds than they actually had, partly because they thought this gave them more street cred. and partly in (I believe) an effort to appeal to a far wider audience than the original punk scene had done - basically the hooligans on the football terraces.

They were, of course hugely successful in doing this to their - and indeed the entire UK punk scene's - immediate and eternal regret.

Incidentally it's also a mistake to assume that the football terraces were exclusively working class because of course they weren't by any means....

"I've heard some rather cynical accounts of early punk shows that describe the audiences of these bands as primarily middle-class (or let's say "well-off") kids slumming it in the city centres and then taking the subways back to their comfortable suburban existence. What was your impression of these shows and their audience?"

For starters I wouldn't say "primarily" middle-class but there was certainly a significant element that was; the suggestion 'though seems to be that punk was created by angry working class kids with some genuine point about their plight and stolen / patronised by bored middle class kids playing at it. I don't think that was the case at all. The punk pubs and clubs tended to be in city centres because (a) it was a very small minority interest and city centres are always the natural place to congregate; (b) the punks were considered to be pretty much scum and no-one would have allowed us to congregate / play anywhere bear the areas that "nice" people lived!

You also again have to appreciate how small the divide was between the middle and working class: ordinary kids could and did "[slum] it in the city centres and then [take] the subways back to their comfortable suburban existence" whenever they visited their relatives!

If I had to give a simplistic social profile of the audiences / how those audiences changed between '77 and '79 'though, the outstanding thing to me would be that the people in the audiences in '77 were generally more (intelligent? intellectual?) looking for ways of expressing their individuality. By '79 there were vastly more of them, mostly just conforming sheep-like to some bizarre so-called "punk" stereotype that had apparently been created for them by a bunch of designers and marketing men, blissfully oblivious to the myriad glaring contradictions inherent in the very concept of punk as some sort of "product".

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Holy shit I'm shocked no-one's nominated "Lost in the supermarket"!

My second runner up would be "Death or Glory".


But I like "Koka Kola" and "lover's Rock"

cuspidorian (cuspidorian), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

'Wrong 'Em Boyo' is the real outright clunker on there for me. But I like 'Death or Glory', some of the passages in that song remind me a lot of Big Star.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Who dares say "Koka Kola"? I fuckin' love that track.

Worst song on the album is EASILY "Lost in the Supermarket" (I fully expect to catch a huge stack of abuse for this comment). It's crappy, whingey milksoppery that makes Robert Smith and Morrissey sound like Lemmy and Jaz Coleman by comparison.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

...though "Lovers Rock" does suck too.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The title track's easily the most boring thing on the album. It ruined the whole thing for me for years.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

heresy

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

This from a man who dissed "Lost In The Supermarket".

noodle vague (noodle vague), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn skippy.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought "Lost in the Supermarket" was the song liked by people who wished they were listening to a different album. I get so excited when that one comes on: Yay, disco!

There's a handful of good tracks on the album: "Supermarket," "London Calling," "Spanish Bombs," another one maybe (I forget). The rest sounds like a fucking BAR BAND.

jaymc, Thursday, 5 August 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Although I dunno, that's not a total diss: they're a really, really good bar band. But still.

jaymc, Thursday, 5 August 2004 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"Revolution Rock", easily. I can't believe people are nominating "Guns of Brixton". I mean, the lyrics are awful (the whole album has terrible lyrics, though! Most Clash songs, realy), but that bass!!! Obviously it's not even the best or second best Clash bass line, but it's clearly great.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 5 August 2004 05:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I never want to hear "Rudie Can't Fail" again, but that's probably just because I'm sick of it.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 5 August 2004 05:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, this is hilarious and infuriating. So much disagreement all inside out!

cuspidorian (cuspidorian), Thursday, 5 August 2004 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

worst rock-n-roll mucho-macho-songs on london calling

Rudie Can't Fail
Wrong'em boyo
Brand new cadillac
Koka Kola
Lovers rock

cut the crap, make an ep, pleeeeease

randy mamola, Thursday, 5 August 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Wrong 'em boyo. By miles. And that's saying something.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 5 August 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Just abt avery song nominated by someone, with no clear consensus = London Calling all-time great album & all-time great grist for those with axes to grind, e.g. "OMG rock-n-roll LIES, man, they were MIDDLE CLASS, man, just listen to the LYRICS, man!"

Stewart O. right around the money all thru this thread.

briania (briania), Thursday, 5 August 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I would probably like Train in Vain if I hadn't heard it out of context on classic rock radio for years before finally hearing the whole album. Now when it comes on at the end I feel like I should have just listened to Yes, and Steppenwolf is on the way. Plus, Garbage sampled it.

Richard K (Richard K), Thursday, 5 August 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

A fourth sensible vote for "Four Horsemen."

worst rock-n-roll mucho-macho-songs on london calling
Rudie Can't Fail
Wrong'em boyo
Brand new cadillac
Koka Kola
Lovers rock

How are any of these songs macho? "Wrongem Boyo" and "Brand New Cadillac" (covers, by the way, one ska, one rockabilly) are about as anti-macho as it gets.

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 5 August 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"four horsemen" is kinda lame, as is "lover's rock." the rest is fantastic. i guess i just like good bar bands.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 5 August 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

My Top Ten favorite moments on London Calling:

1. Everything about the intro on "The Guns of Brixton"

2. The funky, speeded up part on "Death or Glory" ("playing the blues of kings sure looks better now")

3. Joe Strummer's wordless gurgling on "The Right Profile" (after "There I go again shaking, but I ain't got the chills")

4. The weird, harmonics-using rhythm guitar playing on "Lost in the Supermarket" ("I empty a bottle, I feel a bit free")

5. The transition from the last guitar strum on "Brand New Cadillac" to the first one on "Jimmy Jazz"

6. The transition from the end of "Hateful" to the beginning of "Rudie Can't Fail" (the only Bo Diddley New Orleans ska song every recorded)

7. Joe Strummer saying "The Ice Age is coming" right after that scary, backward-recorded guitar solo on "London Calling," at which point you might believe him...

8. The part where the bass casually cuts out and then comes back on "Revolution Rock." (Also: "Weddings, parties, anything...")

9. "It's the best years of your life they want to steal" (on "Clampdown")

10. The fact that I still can't figure out if "Spanish Bombs" is pro- or anti-terrorist 25 years later. (See "Tommy Gun.")

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 5 August 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

there are some fucking rough parts of bromley, trust me

sarf, Thursday, 5 August 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

Hey guess what? The newest Bachelor series features a bachelor from the UK and is called The Bachelor: London Calling!! Hilarious? Yes! (And to answer to original thread question: ALL OF THEM, of course.)

stephen, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 02:38 (seventeen years ago)

Scott wins for quoting Rudimentary Peni upthread.

Also; all of them.

Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 09:15 (seventeen years ago)

jimmy jazz

latebloomer, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 09:26 (seventeen years ago)

What latebloomer said.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 09:46 (seventeen years ago)

"Revolution Rock."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 12:44 (seventeen years ago)

i love 'jimmy jazz'

i might say 'wrong em boyo'. it's pretty good though

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 13:03 (seventeen years ago)

Lovers Rock

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 13:15 (seventeen years ago)

Only two tracks remaining untouched:

"The Right Profile"
"Clampdown"

Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 13:38 (seventeen years ago)

There are no bad songs on "London Calling", but "Cadillac" is kind of pointless.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 23:48 (seventeen years ago)

"London Calling"

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 23:50 (seventeen years ago)

And don't you realize how fucking right wing that Crass lyric actually is?

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 02:11 (seventeen years ago)

geir otm

those are the perfect two tracks to remain untouched

deeznuts, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 02:14 (seventeen years ago)

"Spanish Bombs"

Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 03:40 (seventeen years ago)

Jimmy Jazz

ablaeser, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 04:28 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

Why don't people like this album? I think it's great!

Glo-Vember (dog latin), Saturday, 19 November 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago)

because it always makes the usual lists and this is ilm

Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 19 November 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago)

Guns of Brixton is the only killer song on it.

Conan The Asshander (Doran), Saturday, 19 November 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago)

Lovers Rock

Peas, Ants, Pigs & Astronauts (PaulTMA), Saturday, 19 November 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago)

Guns of Brixton is the only killer song on it.

― Conan The Asshander (Doran)

Nonsense. Guns in Brixton is a highlight but Lost in the Supermarket and Spanish Bombs are also killer (even tho the later has some of the worst spanish mispronunciations I've heard in a song).

Moka, Saturday, 19 November 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago)

mispronounciations*

Moka, Saturday, 19 November 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago)

Horses for courses. I'm not really a Clash fan. I spent ages trying to like them when I was younger and felt that I should but I think those two songs a pretty poor really. I could make myself a better mini album out of Sandinista! than I could out of London Calling.

Conan The Asshander (Doran), Saturday, 19 November 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago)

"Sing, Michael, Sing!"

Miss Piggy and Frodo in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 November 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago)

title track is all time zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Joe Hart is Fellaini Hunter (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 November 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago)

For me it's what's not to like? It's not a very 'punk' rock album, but it's a great pop record with lots of fun and variety and catchy tunes, so for those reasons it's pretty classic. Guns Of Brixton has that bassline, Wrong Em Boyo is just the right side of goofy fun, and lost in the supermarket has a peculiar pathos that kind of takes me offguard halfway through the record.

Glo-Vember (dog latin), Saturday, 19 November 2011 23:05 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah NV the title track is boring.

Glo-Vember (dog latin), Saturday, 19 November 2011 23:05 (thirteen years ago)

No it isn't, not with that Ride of the Valkyries bassline

Miss Piggy and Frodo in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 November 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago)

Only dud here is "Lover's Rock", which isn't so much terrible as it is filler.

encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 November 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago)

It's not a bad album, but it's not the go-to album for any of the essential aspects of the band, so I haven't listened to it in probably 15 years. (Listened to Sandinista! twice straight through on the drive from Atlanta last Monday though.)

Steamtable Willie (WmC), Saturday, 19 November 2011 23:17 (thirteen years ago)

went and youtube'd the original version (i think) of revolution rock. where previously i thought they added to every cover they chose, this one not so much so i agree w/it being the only not essential tune on LC. wrong 'em boyo is a fantastic original and a great cover to boot; while, imo, cadillac is off the charts a ferocious cover version so i don't understand Geir's upthread comment. except that it's Herr Geir. Lover's Rock might be a throwaway but it's still FUN.
"not the go-to for essential aspects of the band" except to hear how quickly they grew from 1978-1979 and became a perfect band with great songwriting and musicianship by their third album i guess

epigram addict (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 20 November 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago)


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