Skrewdriver Vs. Public Enemy

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....what's really the difference?

― Mike Judge, Friday, 17 September 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Public Enemy made records that were actually enjoyable to listen to.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

besides what alex said, i always had the impression that chuck-d never REALLY hated whitey -- to the extent that he hailed farrakhan, it was more b/c he thought that some of his ideas wr2 black self-empowerment were worthwhile (if not necessarily the KILL WHITEY bs -- and i dunno what he thinks about all that mothership/aliens horseshit that NoI likes to peddle). other than the nation of islam smack-talking, chuck-d seemed like a pretty typical liberal.

professor griff was another matter altogether ...

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

SS = Sister Souljah

― Ray Cappo, Friday, 17 September 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Wasn't it Sistah Souljah who attempted to stem the tide of black-on-black crime but calling for more black-on-white crime?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Skrewdriver inadvertantly led to the creation of nu-metal by intentionally misspelling their name. Plus the white power bullshit.

PE wins of course.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Put it this way: if Skrewdriver made a version of "Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos", they'd be the guards shooting the prisoners in their cells.

― wetmink (wetmink), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"....what's really the difference?"

There's a whole world of difference!

Public Enemy are black and they sell loads more records.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Public Enemy have never, to the best of my knowledge, expressed any great admiration for Adolf Hitler ... a plus point in my book

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 September 2004 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Also Public Enemy are actually fairly significant, musically and otherwise - Skrewdriver are more like a Morris dancing act or something

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 September 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"Public Enemy have never, to the best of my knowledge, expressed any great admiration for Adolf Hitler ... a plus point in my book"

Fair enough; but then, by the same token, Skrewdriver have never, to the best of my knowledge, expressed allegiance to Louis Farrakhan and The Nation Of Islam, who preach, amongst other things: that white people were invented in a laboratory by a mad scientist and their sous are posessed by The Devil; that people of mixed race consequently have no souls; that AIDS was invented by Jews to wipe out black people; that Kentucky Fried Chicken is run by the Ku Klux Klan and contains a drug to make black people infertile; and that they've been in touch with aliens (all of whom are black, naturally) who very shortly are going to come down and take all the black people off to live happily another planet before they destroy this planet and burn everyone else who's still on it alive.

So that's one point each in each in my book.

"Also Public Enemy are actually fairly significant, musically and otherwise - Skrewdriver are more like a Morris dancing act or something".

LOL! OK, fair point, advantage Public Enemy.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i love this recent meme of EZ-swapping entire cultures with each other to "prove" some stupid sh*t like "reverse racism" or something. like "huh, huh, why can black people say 'nigga' and i can't, that's obviously racist thinking." no. let me explain. when i punch my friend mikey in the arm it's because i like him. when i punch you in the arm it's because i hate you. isn't it kerrazy that the same exact thing can mean two different things depending on the context?? WHOA!!

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Friday, 17 September 2004 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

To even come up with an expression like "reverse racism" shows some extraordinarily muddled thinking.

All racism is equally vile and hateful.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 10:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i think whoever stared this thread need to have shit stuffed through their letterbox, their windows put in, their businesses torched and to live in fear of receiving a fucking good kicking every time they walk down the street. this should just about explain the difference.

― stelfox, Friday, 17 September 2004 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.virtualvoyage.com/studio/personnel/pictures/mikejudge.jpg

Here's a picture of Mike Judge, wondering whether it's safe to come out yet

― DJ Mencap0))), Friday, 17 September 2004 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Not THE Mike Judge surely?!???!?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 September 2004 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, one of them

― DJ Mencap0))), Friday, 17 September 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha WOW! Every time I think I'm done with thinking about NoI, someone posts something that makes them fantastic again!

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Not the same Mike Judge who gave us "Beavis & Butthead" and "Office Space," surely.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

both mike judges rule on a nearly equal plane of existence. my old hardcore band was playing a house show. the demographics of our band broke down to two jews, two irish, and one korean and we had a good humor about it. so we decided to play a skrewdriver cover at this house as a joke and the kid who owned the house got all salty and banned us from playing there.

― Reed Rosenberg (reed), Friday, 17 September 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

But were you covering a Skrewdriver song from before or after the band metamorphosed into a bunch of Nazis?

Anti-Social ((for example) isn't a bad song in a neanderthal kind of way.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

here comes de judge...
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000000TAO.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― sexyDancer, Friday, 17 September 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

it was anti-social. i don't think there's anything particularly offensive about it either. i think he was angry because our fat friends were congesting the basement.

― Reed Rosenberg (reed), Friday, 17 September 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I have that "Government Action" on a compilation, somewhere...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 September 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got 2 or 3 things by (pre-nazi) Skr*wdr*v*r.

I'm not going to throw them away because they are by the pre-nazi incarnation; but I certainly wouldn't sell them or give them away because that might give the nazi incarnation more publicity.

Logically of course I shouldn't even be mentioning them on a public forum for the same reason - so I shall refrain from doing so any more.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I almost bought the 45rpm album, as I was always a sucker for a novel format. But I saw their ugmugs and thought better of it...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 September 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

(.. which was obviously pre)

btw, he (and by definition they) be dead now anyhow, yeah?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 September 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Ian Stuart is. The band (although obviously no longer featuring any original members in a Dr Feelgood stylee) are still going I believe.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Ian Stuart wasn't in the 'pre' version, was he?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Ian Stuart was in the band from their original incarnation as a Rolling Stones covers band called Tumblin Dice (that's why they recorded "19th Nervous Breakdown" as the B-side of "Anti Social")

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know anything about Skrewdriver, but from what I gather, it seems like Public Enemy, despite some iffy perspectives (pro-Farrakhan, homophobia, antisemitism), had a lot more moral complexity and confusion in their lyrics. A lot of times, Chuck D seemed more baffled than pissed off.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The tale was the NF wanted a band, approached Sham 69, given the br, approached skr, they went yeah.

What was the offer like? "Be our poster boys! Become the most hated person possible..."

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Not quite how I understand it: the way I heard it was the band split up for the susuakl reasons. Ian Stuart either developed or had always had NF sympathies and subsequently became a fully paid up member. The NF persuaded him to put a new band together. I hadn't heard that they'd aproached Sham first but that certainly makes sense.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

"susuakl" = an extremely unusual way of spelling "usual"

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark Radcliffe was never in Public Enemy

― coco, Friday, 17 September 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Which one of them gets the point for that 'though?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

no points
just an observation

also, I have never seen any member of skrewdriver's cock

― coco, Friday, 17 September 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

So there were loads of ex-Sk bandmembers that can't tell their kids about their brush with fame, or whatever, cuz of I.Stuart's subsequent career.

Wasn't MRadcliffe's take in the book basically that the guy was a 'nice chap, polite etc, never showed any 'hate' of that or any other kind'? Although he had a different name in the book If I recall correctly...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah ... pretty much. 'He did that with an entirely different line-up. Seemed nice to me. We never suspected. If we had, we all would have been off.'

come to think of it, I thought it was a different name, too

― coco, Friday, 17 September 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"So there were loads of ex-Sk bandmembers that can't tell their kids about their brush with fame, or whatever, cuz of I.Stuart's subsequent career."

Phil Walmsley seems to be quite upset about it all but Grinny doesn't appear to be too bothered at all.

"Although he had a different name in the book If I recall correctly... "

Apparently he was christened Ian Stuart Donaldson.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the book is in the garage. Later..

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

An old radio-station-mate of mine figured out that you could play "White Power" and "Fight the Power" simultaneously and they'd more or less beat-match. He dined out on the story for years.

Alex Ross on a semi-legendary incident at the same station: "Once, they followed up my heartfelt tribute to Herbert von Karajan with Skrewdriver’s rousing neo-Nazi anthem “Prisoner of Peace”: “Free Rudolf Hess / How long can they keep him there? We can only guess.” Touché."

I am very fond of Skrewdriver's pre-racist-period "Anti-Social." And a lot of the lyrically vile stuff does, in fact, totally rock, like it or not, although I'm sure they weren't about to mention the massive debt they owed to Chuck Berry.

But Public Enemy are INESTIMABLY better.

― Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 17 September 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Public Enemy tried to win over a white rock and metal audience by dueting with Anthrax!

Screwdriver has failed to release their rock rap combo to get the hip hop crowd on their side!

― Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Friday, 17 September 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

main difference - PE, despite some of their messages, has black AND white fans. Skrewdriver does not.

― joseph pot (STINKOR™), Saturday, 18 September 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Given how I feel about humainty, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't at least ONE black Skrewdriver fan. (Actually, the best way to undermine racists is to appropriate all of their shit and declare it awesome.)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Saturday, 18 September 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm afraid to slsk this "Anti-Social"

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 18 September 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Um to the guy who suggested that PE's support of Farrakhan was comparable to Skrewdriver's support of Hitler...remind me, despite his anti-semitic leanings, when was the last time Farrakhan

KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?!

These bands are not even on the same fucking level. At all. Like someone said upthread, if Skrewdriver covered "Black Steel," they'd be playing the prison guards, not escaping the prison.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I checked Mark Radcliffe's book, he has the lead singer down as "Des Roberts"...

― mark grout (mark grout), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

ask a Farrakhan acolyte about the Holacaust and I'm sure you'd get a different "interpretation" of that six million killed statistic.
If Skrewdriver covered "Black Steel" they'd more accurately be playing members of the Arayan Nation, i.e. white prisoners.

― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

If you ask Chuck D about the holocaust I'm sure he'd affirm that it actually occurred, and would not dispute the statistic.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

And the cover of black steel example was pointing out how Skrewdriver is coming from the perspective of the OPPRESSOR and PE come from the perspective of THE OPPRESSED.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

dude i think skrewdriver feel just as "oppressed" from their "position"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

white power hate lit is always half superman complex, half save the endangered whiteman

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

that's true but djdee's still right.

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Right. So point is, these groups are not really comparable in any sense.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

and the OPPRESSOR in white power hate lit is usually the Jews who control the media, banks, etc. The musical comparison between Skrewdriver and PE is nonsensical, but I think the point about their shared anti-Semitism is worth pondering.

― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Given how I feel about humainty, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't at least ONE black Skrewdriver fan

if there is someone this fucking stupid, then ilm is the right place to find him.

― stelfox, Saturday, 18 September 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Um aside from Professor Griff's ridiculousness (IN INTERVIEWS I note, not in music), how were PE anti-Semitic?

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

well, the nation of islam is pretty anti-semitic, and anti-white, but pe did and said a lot more thought-provoking stuff than just quoting farrakhan ad infinitum. chuck d is a bit bonkers now, but their lyrics were never really anti-semitic, whereas skrewdriver's are riddled with prejudice. this is a stupid, stupid thread by someone trying to be provocative by throwing up that "black people can be racist, too" balloon. of course they fucking can, dickhead, live with it. it's classic trailer-park, disenfranchised white-male bullshit.

― stelfox, Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

stelfox was going so well before he threw the "trailer-park" bit in there

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Well whatever as far as I'm concerned this thread ended w/ stelfox.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

haha ilm's "classicism is okay" subconscious strikes again!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i've never understood what people have against trailers.

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

well, we don't have trailer parks here - call me a superior highfalutin brit if you want (but then remember that my superiority is groundless because we're actually responsible for skrewdriver: america 1 - UK 0)

― stelfox, Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Well there's too many of them for starters, and they always give away the whole story.

x-post

― supercub, Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

PE gave Farrakhan free publicity, maybe a platform too, and he's a hate-mongering demagogue beneath all the empowerment rhetoric. "Don't tell me that you understand until you hear the man."
Professor Griff was at least straightforward about his lunatic beliefs. I think Chuck D was disingenuous about it, dropping Griff only when he tested PE's relations with their champions in the white media. Chuck D never really repudiated Griff that I heard, and seemed to percieve himself as the victim in that sordid affair. "Now they've got me like Jesus..." In the small portion that I read of Chuck's book a few years later, he refused to back away or distance himself from any of Farrakhan's statements or beliefs.
Are PE and Skrewdriver equals in the hate sweepstakes? Of course not. But it bothers me that white liberals are still making half-assed excuses for some repugnant attitudes. Whether expressed in music or interviews hardly matters.
But hey I still think the first couple PE albums are genius works. And Chuck D has become a sharp-minded spokesman on digital issues in the current music-biz crises.
Next: if Noam Chomsky made a hip-hop album, could he battle Cornell West?

― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

stelfox there are plenty of them here, what are you talking about??

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

(i just handed in my TEHSIS yesterday on uk gypsies so forgive my incredulity)

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Chuck D never really repudiated Griff that I heard
Dude they kicked him out of the group.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

and they were never the same again! nobody could wear a uniform and wield a plastic machine gun like my man Griff.

― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

stelfox there are plenty of them here, what are you talking about??

no there fucking aren't!!! there are a few by the seaside, where old people go on holiday, but very few trailer parks. it's not the phenomenon/cultural signifier it is in the states. i am right because i have 30 years' more experience of living here than you!

― stelfox, Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

so it's better that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about?

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

do you just argue with me for the sake of it?

― stelfox, Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

you said that skrewdriver was "classic trailer-park" bullshit. if you've lived in a place with no trailer pakrs for 30 years (which is actually untrue, i can name three "trailer parks" in epping alone, and there are probably about 100,000 Romani gypsies alone who live in mobile homes set up communally, not to mention other travellers etc. and, funnily enough, they're subject to some of the exact same stereotypes that people have about white american "trailer trash". i think it's something about the trailer itself that people don't like. and that's my question, what is it about trailers?) - then where the hell does this "classic trailer-park" thing come from, if you say you have no idea about it from your own culture?

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey all, I'm sorry. I meant to title this thread "Swervedriver Vs. Public Enemy". I was hoping to compare the shoegaze phenom with the world's late 80s/early 90s hip-hop fascination.

My bad!

― Mike Judge, Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

okay. forget it, i bow to your superior knowledge of british life and culture. how did i assimilate so well for all these years without an american to teach me about the ways of this funny little island? and funnily enough i said the *argument* was "classic dienfranchised white-male, trailer park bullshit".

― stelfox, Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

as in the initial question, the "racist black people" point.

― stelfox, Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

100,000 Romani gypsies alone who live in mobile homes set up communally, not to mention other travellers etc.

most of these unofficial illegal sites that the people can be moved on from at any given opprtinity by the police. we actually *need* trailer parks here for this very reason. there has long been a campaign to allow people living on campsites official residency status so they can claim benefits, send their kids to school, be registerd voters etc. come back when you know what you're talking about, mate, seriously.

― stelfox, Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

er gypsies who live on council sites or their own land have are residents. many of them pay council tax. but council sites are run by the council, by people who can be pretty antagonistic to their way of life. and you're right there's no guarantee of tenure, so they can be moved off in less than 48 hours by the police. so "official sites" are a very bad solution, especially now that there's no obligatiion on local councils to provide them. and they only met about half the need anyway. these days, most gypsies would rather live on private land run by gypsy families themselves. the real problem is that councils won't give permission for them to live there, even though the land is theirs. because councils HATE TRAILERS. what is wrong with trailers. you can live in it, and it has wheels on. trailers are cool.

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i took you to mean that poorer or more transient people are more likely to subscribe to casually racist theories than other kinds of people, and i question that.

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Saturday, 18 September 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha!

"I live here!" vs "I wrote my thesis on this!" rhetorical dead-end FITE!!!!!!!

Also, lovebug starski is completely bonkers.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

"Also, lovebug starski is completely bonkers."

Q: What is the single greatest compliment you've ever recieved?

― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

A: We Are Devo!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 18 September 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

stelfox affecting xenophobe tory anti-poor guise shocker

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 18 September 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

aka jeez was robin ever right about you

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 18 September 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Um to the guy who suggested that PE's support of Farrakhan was comparable to Skrewdriver's support of Hitler...remind me, despite his anti-semitic leanings, when was the last time Farrakhan

KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?!

Well, lets play "White Devil's Advocate" here for a sec. Hypothetically, if Louis Farrakhan had been the Fuhrer of Nazi Germany in 1938, would he not have done the exact same thing that Adolph did?
In other words:
1) Fiery Speeches denouncing International Jewry
2) Weird notions about "Blood" and "Race" and "Inferiority"
3) Death Camps
4) Snappy Uniforms*
5) Mindless Minions

The Only differences would be:
1) Avoiding pork rather than vegetarianism.
2) Get all the aryans in one place and kill them off as soon as he was done with all the jews.
3) No stupid "Charlie Chaplin" Mustache

* = Instead of Black Suits with silver metals, it would be black suits with red bow-ties.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 19 September 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

you got any proof for number 3 there?

― Symplistic (shmuel), Sunday, 19 September 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Louis Farrakhan would rock a fu manchu mustache.
Totally.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 19 September 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

'1) Avoiding pork rather than vegetarianism.'

i heard taht it's a myth that hitler was a vegetarian.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 19 September 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

number 3 on the first list FFS.

― Symplistic (shmuel), Sunday, 19 September 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread is really entertaining. i hope it continues.

― supercub, Sunday, 19 September 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

(I don't underestimate that anti-Semitism of NoI but I'm reasonably certain they'd kill the Aryans/neo-Nazis first.)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Sunday, 19 September 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Comparing N4ti0n of Islam to historical Naziism is ridiculous, as said upthread.

There may be some credence to comparing modern-day sympathizers of N4ti0n4l Fr0nt and N4ti0n of Islam though.

― supercub, Monday, 20 September 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck the blue-eyed devil's advocates

― Symplistic (shmuel), Monday, 20 September 2004 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

because councils HATE TRAILERS. what is wrong with trailers. you can live in it, and it has wheels on. trailers are cool.

One problem with trailers is that they reach the end of their lifetime after 15-20 years, and they cost a lot of money to get rid of, so people just abandon them instead. This is getting to be a big problem in the rural American south. Better to have abandoned trailers around than not having housing at all, but compared to actual houses, it's more of a waste of resources, and costs taxpayers' money to clean up the abandoned trailers.

― wetmink (wetmink), Monday, 20 September 2004 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"Given how I feel about humainty, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't at least ONE black Skrewdriver fan."

I've actually met one on more than one ocasion. He was part of a gang of lads from Essex (IIRC) who used to follow West Ham, Sham 69 and the Cockney Rejects about everywhere and he used to dress in full skinhead uniform complete with a huge swastika across the back of his regulation nylon flight jacket.

I've even seen him on RAR / NF demos (we were on opposite sides of the police barriers, FWIW): the NF PR people used to wheel him out from time to time as "proof" that they couldn't possibly be racists, because they had a member who was black; in the same way as they used to wheel out a couple of WWII veterans as "proof" that they couldn't possibly be nazis's because they had members who'd fought against Hitler.

Would you care to compare views of humanity to see whose is more jaundiced?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 20 September 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I'm pretty sure I've met him too. They were a skinhead band who once used the rehearsal room directly after us. Personable blokes they were (the black guy was the best looking one by a long way, for what it's worth.) Next time I saw them, they were shouting 'kill a mod' and running towards me. They went straight past me before I even had a chance to be nervous about it...

Anyway, like I said a bit up thread. Mark Radcliffe had his name as "Des Roberts"...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Strange - Ian Stuart was definitely the singer from the very start and neither Grinny nor Phil Walmsley (who's aparently a friend of Mr. Radcliffe's who's played with him in several bands since) mention anyone called Roberts in the interviews at http://www.punk77.co.uk/groups/skrewdriver.htm

Also absolutely nothing comes up if you Google "Skrewdriver+"Des Roberts".....

I'd almost be inclined to dismiss Mark Radcliffe's involvement in the band as a figment of his imagination if Grinny didn't mention it, explaining: "he stood in for me when I could not make a tour in '79. He borrowed my drum kit for the tour, which came back minus the Zildjian cymbals, so he owes me two 14" hi hats, a 20" ride cymbal and an 18" crash cymbal."

Do you remember the media feeding frenzy when one of the tabloids revealed that Suggs had once been friends with one of the members of Skrewdriver (the implication clearly being that Madness must all be closet nazis)?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"Actually, I'm pretty sure I've met him too. They were a skinhead band who once used the rehearsal room directly after us. Personable blokes they were (the black guy was the best looking one by a long way, for what it's worth.)"

[ penny drops? ]

Was this in / around Reading Mark? If so I suspect that was probably a guy called Aaron McRobbie, who may well have been a complete fuckin' psycho but wasn't a nazi to the best of my knowledge.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Now that I've said that, I'm not sure if I mean Aaron or Jason - I forget which was which.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

what a load of fucking nonsense. i made a glib comment about trailer parks and now i'm a xenophobic rightwinger who needs to be taught about the culture of a place i have lived for 30 years from a bunch of americans. jesus christ, you are all complete nutbags. okay, it wasn't the wisest thing to say, but the only xenophobia it was expressing was toward americans!

― stelfox, Monday, 20 September 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

and james blount, you really are toadying little cunt, aren't you?

― stelfox, Monday, 20 September 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't mind the haters, stelfox. We're actually all nosepicking rednecks. Look who we chose as leader, fercrissakes!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Stelfox, why are you so wound up over this?

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

some of my best friends are americans (they genuinely are!), but i was simply trying to point out that this thread reeks of the kind of nonsense right wing groups use to hook disenfranchised white males(see, i'm sexist too - i think the majority of men are fucking morons!), specifically this overblowing of instances of what can be construed as black-on-white racism (next stop whackjob central, yelling "jews own the world, we must free ourselves by not paying taxes, holing up in the mountains and blowing fuck out of women exercising their right to choose"). when i mentioned trailer parks, that was what i was referring to, not the roma, who i believe, as previously stated, get a fucking rough deal in the uk. luckily we don't often turn people away from hospitals here, but it is tough for roma to get their kids into schools, claim benefits etc. so, explain this to me blount, how is providing basic social care for a group that is institutionally discriminated against xenophobic and tory, you cretin?

― stelfox, Monday, 20 September 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

dan i've just been called a racist, so understandably i'm a bit annoyed. carmody accused me of being a racist some time back because i said i didn't like listening to grime and dancehall in the country, now i'm being called one because i was taking the piss out of redneck racists!!! this place gets more bizarre by the day.

― stelfox, Monday, 20 September 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"i'm sexist too - i think the majority of men are fucking morons!

I think the majority of men and women are fucking morons.

I am not sexist, I am an equal opportunities bastard.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

B-b-b-but you're so worked up that it now looks like your running around after gypsies offering them healthcare! Which, if you are, then hey good on you, you're a better man than me, etc.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

well, i think they should get healthcare, because we give it to everyone, in principle, gets it here. stencil has made it important for me top state this by *deliberately* and wilfully misconstruing what i was saying about trailer parks. maybe the *shocker* here is stelfox admitting that some working-class people aren't perfect.

― stelfox, Monday, 20 September 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

"well, i think they should get healthcare, because we give it to everyone, in principle, gets it here."

In practice of course, hardly anyone actually gets it here any more.

Or of they do, they come to regret it.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

??? You meant Tracer, right?

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

stencil has made it important for me top state this by *deliberately* and wilfully misconstruing what i was saying about trailer parks.

yeah dude I didn't even post to this thread. Sheesh.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, massive apologies due. i always get you two mixed up.

― stelfox, Monday, 20 September 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I was gonna make jokes about all us white people looking alike, but whatever.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

fascist!

― stelfox, Monday, 20 September 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

My first reaction to this thread title was that it was about the white power band Public Enemy...

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm. That hypothetical band would definitely have a different set of lyrics to "Fight the Power"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 20 September 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I'll be a bun's cousin, seems that's not so hypothetical at all:
https://www.micetrap.net/shop/catalog/mp3s.php
Seems there's three MP3s of this other Public Enemy here (assuming the links still work, I wasn't quite curious enough to download)

The bestseller-list on the right on that page is fascinating in its own right:
'Race War - "The White Race Will Prevail" Limited Hitler Repress'
I bet it's hand-pressed by the ol' fühmbler himself.

― Øystein (Øystein H-O), Monday, 20 September 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

not racist, TRAILERIST!

i agree w virtually everything you said, just not abt the trailer part. comparing gypsies w american trailer dwellers probably none too accurate on my part either so.. can we be friends, nick southall?

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Monday, 20 September 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

better toadying cunt than preserver of rightwing old england class prerogatives you rightwing tory fuck

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

http://d21c.com/tas/mtag7/v03_kitten_love.jpg

WUV!

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

blount you are such a foolish little boy. take a look at everything else i've ever said and read what i've actually said here and you'll see that these ideas about me exist in your mind and only there. if you want to agree with something robin said and then almost immediately backtracked about after actually speaking to me and want to see my ridicule of racism as being racist (bloody mental logic if ever i saw it, but, hey, this is the place to find it), then that's entirely up to you. i can't argue with such deranged thinking and won't try. i also offer full and unreserved apologies if you or any of your family are backwoods, gun-toting, mullet-sporting libertarians and realise that perhaps my condescending attitude to such people was a little less than tactful, so in future i'll just keep my disdain to myself.

― stelfox, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 08:19 (twenty-one years ago)

So that's what happened to Skrewdriver

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, let's hope all the NF sc3m can spell....

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)

(What about clean-cut, suburban soccer-mom libertarians?)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

stelfox if you want to keep spouting off classist hate talk feel free but don't pretend it doesn't make you a rightwing asshole. you conservative fuxx are good at waging class warfare but as soon as any of the 'white trash' class responds in kind you cry 'foul' and lose your expensively educated eaton class tory cool. fuck off, you and your queen.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Stelfox went to Eton??!??!?!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

and robin backed off (without actually refuting what was said was true) becuz you browbeat and pitched a fit about it, instead of in any way proving the "charges" false. that 'straighten up and respect your betters' act won't work on me, sorry k thx bye.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Blount, you know how I'll periodically tell you to shut the fuck up because you aren't helping the situation at all? This is one of those times.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

dan if someone posted racist epitaphs all over a thread and when anyone said 'hey those are racist epitaphs' responded 'fuck off you toadying cunt' and then tossed off some more racist epitaphs would you really be siding with the guy tossing off the racist epitaphs left and right? what makes classism better? stelfox has a history of this bullshit.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Epitaphs?

(My point is not that I agree with Dave; I would think my snarky parenthetical aside + my initial mocking of the entire Stelfox/~~Hstencil~~Hand would show this. My point is that you have this amazing knack of responding to these things in PRECISELY THE CORRECT WAY TO PROLONG THEM INTO BITTER POISONOUS FEUDS THAT SPILL ALL OVER THE BOARD AND MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO QUIT. You did it with Calum and you're doing it here. Knock it off.)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

blount, i am proud to come from a long blue-collar family line. the only prejudice i have is toard idiots, a class to which you are proving you belong. and for god's sake man, turn the chumbawumba off and consult a dictionary learn before you make a fucking idiot of yourself again.

― stelfox, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

― stelfox, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

and the simple fact is that i do not need to "prove" you or robin wrong. accusations of hate politics need to be proven before they are thrown around - it's not up to people to prove that they are not fascists, it's up to you to prove they are. you and robin are not very good at this and that's why neither of you can be taken seriously.

― stelfox, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i will never turn off the chumbawumba!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

stelfox if you want to pretend tossing around classist epitaphs (epitaphs during wartime, epithets during peacetime)(people who use the term 'trailer trash' tend to start wars, people the term 'trailer trash' applies to tend to fight them) doesn't mean you're a classist really feel free.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

To quote Mr. Stelfox, this is a stupid thread

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

(epitaphs during wartime, epithets during peacetime)

You TOTALLY made that up.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

epitaphs during wartime, epithets during peacetime

you are mentally ill or at least extremely silly.

(have to confesses blount's posts are actually making me laugh more than they are annoying me in any way)

― stelfox, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm kinda "taking the piss".

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

blount - find ONE EXAMPLE of racism from me on this board, ever, then maybe i will listen to you and be able to benefir from your great wisdom until then shut the fuck up and show a bit of respect.

― stelfox, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

re: (epithet|epitaph)
There was a Lydia Lunch routine about a crazy freak who would go down to Harlem and yell slurs at the locals. She described him as "yelling racial epitaphs. About to turn into a custom-made obitiuary."

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

p.e. 20th anniversary tour anyone??

― am0n, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

i am kinda tempted, i have to admit

― strongohulkington, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

it's at rams head tho, which kinda makes my decision for me

― strongohulkington, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

Man, these old threads where people are having a blazing row and then Lord Custos just wanders in like this is fucking Fark or something are awesome.

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

Des Roberts?

― Mark G, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

are there any interviews with the s1-w? wtf did they do between tours lol

― am0n, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

Stood outside Chuck D's house looking like this:

http://www.ukstudentlife.com/Britain/Films/LoveActually/10DowningStreet.jpg

― Mark G, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

; that Kentucky Fried Chicken is run by the Ku Klux Klan

That's totally true, man.

― milo z, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

Wasn't it Sistah Souljah who attempted to stem the tide of black-on-black crime but calling for more black-on-white crime?

Alex in NYC (vassifer) on Thursday, September 16, 2004

speaking from the hypothetical voice of an LA rioter, when everyone was busy pretending their motives were so warlike & inscrutable, she was noting that if you live forgotten by society in a ghetto somewhere & deal with black-on-black crime every day its easy to have that thought process that leads to riots which actually spill over into neighborhoods that white people care about

― and what, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

LOL @ this thread...

Just read up a bit:

>>
My first reaction to this thread title was that it was about the white power band Public Enemy...

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo) on Monday, 20 September 2004 15:53 (2 years ago)
Hmmm. That hypothetical band would definitely have a different set of lyrics to "Fight the Power"

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon) on Monday, 20 September 2004 17:10 (2 years ago)
>>

Not that it matters 2 years later, but is funny in a WTF kind of way - that band is not hypothetical - there really was an NF skinhead WP band called Public Enemy.

― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

Isn't Public Enemy also the name of America's biggest teen white power movement?

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

Possibly prompted by this thread, I did download some Nazi era Skrewdriver ("White Rider") out of morbid curiosity a year or 2 ago, and it does not totally rock as someone said upthread. I'm one of the biggest fans of Oi music on ILM and even I think it sucks shit. The 77 era stuff is OK though.

― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

The Public Enemies list, as printed in the Chicago Tribune on April 24, 1930, included the following:

* Alphonse Capone
* Ralph Capone
* Frank Rio
* Jack McGurn
* Jake Guzik
* George "Bugs" Moran
* Joe Aiello
* Edward "Spike" O'Donnell
* Joe "Polack Joe" Saltis
* Myles O'Donnell
* Frankie Lake
* Terry Druggan
* Tony "Mops" Volpe
* William "Klondike" O'Donnell
* James "Fur" Sammons

― and what, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha holy fuck, this thread

― unfished business, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)

whoa potential rapper names by the pound xp

― deej, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

I call dibs on Mops Volpe.

― The Reverend, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

I saw PE here about two months ago with X-Clan. aside from truncating some of their best tunes into annoying medley-style snippets, they were much better than I was expecting.

― sleeve, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:38 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

I've looked all around for a white version of groups like Public Enemy and Dead Prez. A group who just attacks anti-white racism, even to the point of immaturely making arrogant racebaiting arguments, BUT say they are not "racist". Public Enemy claims not to be racist (and even worked with some retarded apparently self-hating white guys). Skrewdriver made no such claims, and wouldn't work with any Uncle Tom black people.

If there were more non-racist white nationalist music, I might wouldn't have a problem. I think anti-white racism is ignored, and I would love to see a genre pop up from "reverse racism" (I'm not here to debate the term---it just implies racism against the majority group). The opposite of the militant underground "fuck whitey" hip-hop. I wouldn't even mind if they used ignorant words. Hell, Dead Prez says "crackers" doesn't refer to all white people, though, if you listen to some of their lyrics, that's highly questionable.

So, I would have no problem with a white group returning the gesture, and claiming "n!gger" only referred to certain black people (ie: like those who robbed my fam a few years ago: blame everything on white people instead of your own attitudes and delinquency). A LOT of so-called "black issues" are, in reality, poor issues, that even many white people suffer from, now. The only music that speaks about reverse racism even is the Skrewdrivers and shit. EVERY socioethnic/religious/sexual/whatever group on the planet has members who need to be offended.

btw, I'm not for racist groups. I am an agnostic bisexual, and a political centrist. I just wish there were some white groups who weren't afraid to ignore "reverse racism".

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

some retarded apparently self-hating white guys

Steady on

http://www.sito.org/id/gis/SG-sonic-youth.JPG

― DJ Mencap, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

i was always disappointed momus didnt make the record described above

― 696, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

Agnositc bisexuals are always the fucking worst.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

agnostic bisexual centrists! dude if you're going to make your mind up about SOMEthing does it have to be pro-white rap groups??

― deej, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

Make my mind up about something? lol. Wow, really enlightened, pal.

Agnostic= we can't prove one way or the other. saying god does or doesn't exist with too much conviction doesn't make sense.

Bisexual= actually I'm a kinky polygamous who likes both. If we have one life, why waste it following common social morals you find boring. Live it up, while you still can.

Centrist= I'm sterotypically liberal on some issues, sterotypically conservative on others. both sides have some good points.

I only said SOMEONE who is a mainstream artist should have the balls to spit the same shit back, as black artists have been doing for years. The fisrt "nonracist" band that did this might be the catalyst start a genre. I didn't say it had to be rap. So, it would be more balanced. All I said.

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

I only said SOMEONE who is a mainstream artist should have the balls to spit the same shit back, as black artists have been doing for years. The fisrt "nonracist" band that did this might be the catalyst start a genre. I didn't say it had to be rap. So, it would be more balanced. All I said.

Maybe Jim Goad should get a band together?

― QuantumNoise, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

A LOT of so-called "black issues" are, in reality, poor issues, that even many white people suffer from, now.

I know it's so pointless to argue with you and I shouldn't, but god I hate this attitude.

Are you aware that here in America we have something called a history? And!, all the people that are here now and the situations they are in, are directly related to this history. Don't mean to blow your mind or anything.

Also, I want direct lyrical content of Public Enemy's "reverse-racism" whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean. I think all of this is just implied because they are pro-black and don't respect white mythology.

― filthy dylan, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

worst revive ever

― J0hn D., Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

First off, I know history has been whitewashed. I know racial profiling in certain neighborhoods stil goes on, and that a large part of the ghettos problems were a result of discrimination that continued after the end of segregation. Black History Month shouldn't be around, because regular history should be more inclusive. I can trace my ancestrage and say, German or Italian pride, but many blacks here can'tdo that and say Nigerian pride, for example. Thus, why you have black pride. STILL, things like drugs, unemployment, and not being able to feed your kids are NOT exclusive to poor black people, and hatred against any old white person, or white people as a group who DID NOTHING TO DESERVE IT is WRONG.

There is a HUGE difference between having pride and quoting anti-Semitic, racist, homophobic bigots like Farrakhan. HUGE. I don't have a problem if you claim "black pride" and don't defend bigots.

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, and white privilege may exist, but it is NOT such a huge thing holding black people back, and a lot of us are just as powerless against those in power.

Oh, wait. I forgot. My "privilege". Let me get out my crackaphone, bro. Your words have inspired me. I'm calling the head honkey now. You will all have jobs tomorrow. *sarcasm*

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

ban nude spock

― and what, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

ahhh, shaddup

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

You can't even spell "honky" right, so I don't think you are a very credible expert witness.

― John Justen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

I've seen it spelled different ways. It's NOT a real word. I can spell it either way I've seen it. That was weak. lol

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

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― gff, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

agnostic bisexuals are a mongrel race.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

Public Enemy taught me that agnostic bisexuals centrists are complete fucking morons.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

WAKE UP WHITE PEOPLE!

http://www.hollywoodrag.com/images/uploads/carrot_top_buff2.jpg

― scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

destroyer....What the fuck did I say that was inaccurate? Humor me, instead of being an equal "moron". All you do is namecall.

Funny pic, scott. Here's another one.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/pete_mcentegart/11/21/ten.spot/tx_flava.jpg

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

What do you have against the New York Knicks?

― John Justen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

Oh my god you can see Carrot Top's pubic hairs in that picture! A dream come true.

― filthy dylan, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

Cheney: Iraq remains a dangerous place - Houston Chronicle - 1 hour ago

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

x-post

you truly are filthy!

― QuantumNoise, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

MAN CRUSHED 7 TIMES IN TRASH TRUCK AND LIVES

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- A homeless man who had fallen asleep in a trash bin to escape the rain was dumped into a garbage truck and survived being crushed at least seven times before a worker saw him.

Robert Baswell, 44, said he screamed as the load of trash was crushed against his body repeatedly and was sure he would die. He tried to cushion one blow from the truck's compressor with a dead opossum, he said.

"I want to find this gentleman and have him buy my lottery tickets because he is one lucky dude," said West Palm Beach Fire Rescue spokesman Phil Kaplan.

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

Internet Troll in "Calls For Reason" Shocker.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

A dead opossum! Wow, how lucky!

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously, if you argued to me in person that there should be a musical genre to discuss anti-white "racism" I would physically assault you.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

POT HAD HEAD OF STEAM

CHICAGO -- Four human skulls were found in a man's apartment, one boiling in a pot of water. But authorities said charges aren't likely.

"It doesn't seem to be anything nefarious," police Lt. Perry Nigro said.

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

hahahaha wait

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

Nefarious (adj.) - Infamous by way of being extremely wicked.

Yeah, doesn't sound like it to me.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

I take it you're a fan. You need to be a minority in a ghetto area, seriously. I think both sides have bullshit. Violent hate crimes against us are so ignored because many white victims are too afraid to make a racial issue out of it. This happens more and more. I wouldn't expect you to notice because you probably live in the suburbs, "destroyer".

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

white person in a ghetto area, i meant

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

All im saying is it's a double edged coin.

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:10 (eighteen years ago)

LESS STUPID BULLSHIT, MORE FUNNY BULLSHIT NEWS STORIES

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

Giraffe teaches students a lesson at zoo

VILNIUS, Lithuania - Climbing into a giraffe’s cage at the local zoo seemed a good idea after a few drinks. But the prank went wrong when the 1.3 ton animal flew into a rage and attacked the three student trespassers at a zoo in Lithuania on Monday night.

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.crazyauntpurl.com/images/blog/cat-stroller.jpg

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

VIENNA LIBARAY STARTS EROTICA HOTLINE

May 8, 2007

VIENNA, Austria --This isn't the typical whispering you might expect to hear at a library. Vienna's City Hall has launched a "sex hotline" to raise money for the capital's main public library, officials said Tuesday.

It's unusual, but it's not particularly raunchy: Callers pay 53 cents a minute to listen to an actress read breathless passages from erotica dating to the Victorian era.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

Wandering wallaby safe in S.D.

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. --A wallaby is settling into a new home in the Black Hills after getting out of its kennel during a flight change in Salt Lake City.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

Strange man shot the House of the Municipality in Akhaltsikhep

Incident took place in Akhaltsikhe. The House of Municipality was shot.

The employees of the Municipality were in the building during the shooting. Fortunately there are not injured.

According to the preliminary information, the eight bullets are found at the place of the incident.

The department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Samtskhe-Javakheti will continue the investigation connected with this fact.

The personality of the man who opened the fire to the building is not found out yet.

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

Woman, 83, forced to smoke crack in scam

NEW PORT RICHEY, Fla. --A woman forced an 83-year-old housemate to smoke crack cocaine so she could steal personal information to get a credit card and run up more than $3,000 in charges, authorities said.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

holy shit!!! i just saw two older women with fake boobs pushing two cat strollers around. those poor cats look terrified!!!

― QuantumNoise, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

I get the picture. I'm done. I'm not racist, but the way many here act, and our PC society, I'm glad I'll probably be dead by the time white people become a minority. Because we will be truly treated like dogshit, if this is ignored forever. I'm out, and you are all fucking pathetic.

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racetraitor

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

BRING ON MORE FUNNY

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.gretschguitars.com/images/briansetzer2.jpg

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

"Stray Cat Strut" was my solo back in my a capella days! I can't imagine Brian Setzer in one of those strollers, though.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

Dude must be a Celtics fan.

― John Justen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.thelandleague.org/images/737562748_20_03_2006_17_22_31.jpg

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:36 (eighteen years ago)

brian setzer lives right by where i work! he looks like brian setzer.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:03 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.odiatiefieri.com/images/img376.jpg

― 31g, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

did i miss nude spock again?

― 696, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:12 (eighteen years ago)

No, this guy was such a lackluster troll that I doubt it was actually nude spock.

― John Justen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

brian setzer lives right by where i work

WHOA

― gff, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

Condoms too big for Indian men
A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.

[...]

Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their penises measured precisely, down to the last millimetre.

The scientists even checked their sample was representative of India as a whole in terms of class, religion and urban and rural dwellers.

The conclusion of all this scientific endeavour is that about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture.

.....

"the length and breadth of India" hur hur

― whatever, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42330000/jpg/_42330633_203condoms-ap.jpg

― whatever, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

dur

― whatever, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42330000/jpg/_42330633_203condoms-ap.jpg

― whatever, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

Public Enemy had only one member hating Jews.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

Wait - "double edged coin"?

― David R., Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, at some point the troll lost any coherence...it stopped being fun then....

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

"stopped"

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

this fuckin revive

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

delete thread

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:48 (eighteen years ago)

zang

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

RIP Professor Griff.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

destroyer.....It should have been clear as hell. I meant that this whole black-white thing is more of a "two sided issue" than we're allowed to say publicly. The double edged coin remark was just a metaphor, if you've never heard it. I didn't invent the fuckin metaphor. I just used it.

And the group you quoted, "Racetraitor"....lol. Half of them are now in the crappy "emo" band, Fallout Boy. No surprise they'd be full of political correctness in their beliefs. I bet most of your "education" on racial issues is biased. Reading only the most libertarian material that you agree with beforehand, does not constitute an "education". That's justification. I know I said I was done, but the fact that you probably consider yourself "open-minded" is just as laughable as anything anyone here says about me.

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.brandtarot.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/emo-779578.gif

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.martyfriedel.com/wp-content/images/2006-06-15/emo.jpg

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

if a racist flips a coin in the forest, but there's no black guys around to steal it, does the coin still have two sides?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:23 (eighteen years ago)

Now that we've successfully blunted the edge of this douchetard's coin, can we have more funny news stories?

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:29 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, i got gonorrhea from ur mom

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

that's really not funny, though

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

Can't Possibly Be True
Britain's General Dental Council found dentist Alan Hutchinson guilty in April of several hygiene violations, including frequent hand-washing lapses, failure to sterilize instruments that he had taken off treatment trays to clean his own ears and fingernails with, and, more than once, urinating in his surgery sink. The council said it needed another hearing to decide whether Hutchinson's habits impaired his treatment of patients. [Daily Mail (London), 3-21-07; Reuters, 4-5-07]

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

The double edged coin remark was just a metaphor, if you've never heard it. I didn't invent the fuckin metaphor. I just used it.

UH

― John Justen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)

Following a three-year investigation by federal and local authorities in Orange County, Calif., the owners of at least 10 massage parlors were arrested in March and accused of running prostitution establishments. Among the investigators' findings was that, to reduce the cost of supplying condoms, the salons urged customers to use plastic food wrap, which management bought in large quantities. Said District Attorney Tom Rackauckas, "I really don't think about (plastic food wrap) in the same way anymore." [Los Angeles Times, 3-22-07]

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)

In Bridgeport, Conn., in March, Fermin Rodriguez, 21, was charged with assault for stabbing his wife several times (after an argument over her alleged infidelity); police said that following his attack, he apparently handed his knife to the couple's 2-year-old son and said, "Now, you stab Mommy." [Connecticut Post, 3-5-07]

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:36 (eighteen years ago)

Officials in Apex, N.C., finally confiscated the 80 sheep that David Watts had long been keeping in his home as pets (he slept upstairs, they downstairs), with the final straw coming when some of the sheep wandered into the local cemetery and munched on fresh floral arrangements. The town had apparently tolerated Watts's eccentricity for years because of his pleasantness. Said a next-door neighbor, "(Officials) felt like he was (merely) living an alternative lifestyle." [News & Observer (Raleigh, N.C.), 3-27-07]

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:37 (eighteen years ago)

JOHN IGNORE THE RETARDED PERSON

Thank you, Mr. Que, for bringing this thread back on topic!

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:37 (eighteen years ago)

Dan, ignoring him is like putting the cart before the wheelbarrow, argumentationismwise.

― John Justen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

I'm posting on the thread's starting topic. How "retarded" of me.

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

cryingeagle.gif

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

On Jan. 31, several hundred Japanese husbands recognized the second annual Beloved Wives Day to upgrade Japanese men's notorious, deeply ingrained indifference to their spouses. Among the husbands' vows: be home from work by the unusually early hour of 8 p.m.; actually look into the missus's eyes and say "thank you"; and try to remember to call her by her name (instead of, as many apparently do in substitution, grunting at her). (Divorce in Japan remains relatively rare, but marital estrangement has been rapidly increasing in recent years.) [Taipei Times-AP, 2-1-07]

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

Spain has long been criticized for its traditions of animal abuse, such as bullfighting and, until recently, one village's festive custom of tossing a live goat from a church tower. German animal welfare activists complained in March about another Spanish "sport": the flinging of live quail into the air (from a catapult) so that hunters can shoot them. (Germany also has its ugliness, according to a March Der Spiegel report, with certain villages' customs of clubbing a hung-up goose and poking a cat with a broomstick through a hole in a crate.) [Spiegel Online, 3-6-07]

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

A German man's attempt to take his driving test while drunk came to an abrupt end when his examiner directed him to a police station.

The man arrived for his test in the western town of Bendorf at 0830 on Tuesday morning, reeking of alcohol.

The examiner questioned the 27-year-old man but he denied having touched a drop, so the test commenced as usual.

But he found himself in the yard of a police station after the examiner decided he was driving erratically.

"His driving was rather bad," a spokesman for local police told Reuters.

"So the examiner directed him to towards the police station without him noticing."

"Once there, he had to get out and take an alcohol test, which revealed he was well over the limit."

The man was charged with being three times over the legal alcohol limit for driving.

"Needless to say, the driving test was at an end," said a statement by Rhineland Pfalz police.

"It will be difficult for the young man to acquire a driving licence for a few years."

― jim, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.cedricstudio.com/posts/landon.jpg

― John Justen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2003/04/24/readersopinions/24deba.jpg

― John Justen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

lol Japan, wow

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

If I'm being ignorant, all I asked was even a simple reason why. I'm open-minded enough to listen. All anyone here did was namecall, and I'm the retard? What did I say that makes me beyond even debating?

Or is this now just a joke thread, period? If noone else has anything else to add, I'm done.

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

john, let it go.

it's all spilled milk under the bridge.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/Under_the_bridge/u.jpg

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

I suppose a bird in the hand saves nine.

I'm surprised that the German guy didn't get a drinking license!

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

A Brazilian brewery has been ordered to pay $49,000 (£24,570) to an alcoholic beer taster who claims the company failed to prevent his condition.

The man, who has not been named, said the company, Ambev, did not provide him with adequate health care to stop him from developing alcoholism.

He said that for more than a decade he drank around one and a half litres of beer each day.

But Ambev says that the employee was an alcoholic before he took the job.

The employee says he drank between 16 and 25 small glasses of beer during each eight hour shift at the company, and was also given a bottle of beer at the end of each shift.

An initial ruling favoured Ambev, which claimed the man was already an alcoholic.

But Judge Jose Felipe Ledur said the company was still negligent because an alcoholic should have never been employed as a beer taster.

He added that the man's alcohol dependency had worsened in recent years, and that he felt like drinking the same amount on holiday as he drank at work.

The company still has the right to appeal against the ruling, and decisions are often overturned in Brazilian courts.

― jim, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

he's just sayin that bridge is double-sided maaaaan

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.nsm88.com/merchandise/cds/skrewdriver-public-enemy.jpg

― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

Am I right in taking the fact that there is no Jimmy Smits fan art on the internet as further proof that there is no god?

If only I could find a bisexual centrist agnostic to consult.

― John Justen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:59 (eighteen years ago)

"bisexual agnostic centrist" = fencesitter

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THIS IS, BUT IT IS CREEPY.

http://www.hudsonleickfan.com/newsletter/images2/mosaic2.jpg

― John Justen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

MIT has so much to answer for.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Np6WfiYZHqubUM:http://store.roddenberry.com/images/Products/thumbs/08a3.jpg

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

Look, I dont care for the insults. I was starting a serious question, and I could care less about the childish crap, you all started. I didn't come here to act like a 5th grader.

I only brought up that agnostic...crap to make it known that I was not some extreme rightwing neo-Conservative, or something. I never claimed to be a fucking know-it-all.

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:05 (eighteen years ago)

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:QdmEf5re_SihUM:http://infinitecoolness.com/galleries/lebowski/biglebowski21.jpg
Do ya haveta use so many cusswords?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:07 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/magazinemonitor/paisley_pa203.jpg

― jim, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:07 (eighteen years ago)

― jim, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

I admire your ability to prove your claims without stating them.

xposts

― John Justen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

ALSO:
http://www.productdose.com/wp-content/photos/dwight_schrute_bobblehead_23.jpg

― John Justen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

which claims? example?

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

This is in poor taste:
http://www.fadtoys.com/sports/harry_caray_lg.jpg

― John Justen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:13 (eighteen years ago)

are you dumber than a 5th grader?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

if it means anything to you mr. troll I believe you when you say you are agnostic

― Hans Rott, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 23:29 (eighteen years ago)

I believed you when you claimed you weren't a know-it-all. And I still do.

― John Justen, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

Most of what I said was just repeating what was said by others in this same thread, earlier. But, I'm the only attacked so hardcore. Fuck you all.

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:32 (eighteen years ago)

only one attacked

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:32 (eighteen years ago)

NOT one of you can give an example of what I said disagreeable. I also added

1) the race card is abused in regards to class issues (I've heard PLENTY people say that)

2) that black-white issues are two sided.

Wow, how ignorant.

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:37 (eighteen years ago)

I didn't deny racism against black people still existed....NOT ONE TIME

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:37 (eighteen years ago)

And about the agnostic comment, so what? I thought that was just you people fucking with me. What does my religious views or current lack of have to do with any of this?

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:39 (eighteen years ago)

― John Justen, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:46 (eighteen years ago)

And about the agnostic comment, so what? I thought that was just you people fucking with me. What does my religious views or current lack of have to do with any of this?

-- YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Wednesday, May 9, 2007 8:39 PM (7 minutes ago)

You do realize that this is a Christian website, right?

― John Justen, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:47 (eighteen years ago)

Not really. I was just googling shit, and came across this. Still, Christians insulting others religious beliefs does not surprise me, nowadays. You that do recognize that you are why people hate Christians, don't you? I haven't made my mind up, yet, because I haven't studied enough about different religions or theology in general.

I may even come to the conclusion that I'm Christian, after some studying (who knows? I keep an openmind til I have more info) but I still won't be a judgmental fucking turd, like so many "Christians" in this nation.

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:51 (eighteen years ago)

typos, oh well

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:51 (eighteen years ago)

Did you even bother to read the FAQ?

― John Justen, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:53 (eighteen years ago)

Now, that I know what site this is, I really am done. You people are beyond talking to. Not because you're Christian, because you're stereotypical high horse "Christian" conservatives.

Nope, I just looked at the boards section, which surprisingly is plain as hell. Just a white screen with some subforums. I'm out.

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:54 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, that's right, run with your tail between your legs, secular boy.

― John Justen, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:56 (eighteen years ago)

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

― John Justen, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:57 (eighteen years ago)

How do you delete your account?

― YeahImaTrollSoWhat, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:58 (eighteen years ago)

http://sandbox.thehold.net/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=143

― John Justen, Thursday, 10 May 2007 02:05 (eighteen years ago)

"God alone can make a man a believer. Our part is to accept or reject his initiative.

-- Powell, John"

Go in peace.

― John Justen, Thursday, 10 May 2007 02:09 (eighteen years ago)

I TAKE BACK EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT IGNORING THE DOUCHETARD, WOW