sinead needs attention again

23.08.11

I've been repeatedly asked will I 'do anal sex'. Let me make it very clear.. Any man I contemplate has to be into anal sex.. It was a family paper so they wudnt have printed it but let me now take time to make VERY clear that yes I 'do anal' and in fact I would be deeply unhappy if 'doing anal' wasn't on the menu, amongst everything else$$ So if u don't like 'the difficult brown'.. Don't apply... I've had reasonable complaints from lesbians that they have been excluded. This was terribly remiss of me and I would now like to make it clear that women will also be very much considered. As will Brians and Nigels.. Since there were complaints there too.

lol waht

cripes

That reads a teensy bit "smartass" imo.

in a follow-up post she says she is 99.99% vaginally oriented but has enjoyed the occasional "bark up the wrong tree"

she's looking good these days, tempted to apply

ha um

falling out with the guy who maintains your website = consequences :/

Does this belong in the "unacceptable things" thread?

tempted to apply

^ this does

I read a gushing interview with SoC the other day, where the interviewer was going on about how SoC gets a lot of hassle because of her outspoken willingness to tell it like it is. I was thinking it is more that she gets a lot of hassle because she is barking mad.

still dying at "the difficult brown"

it's like she's trying to fuck Paul Mooney

LOL

http://i.colnect.net/images/f/336/344/George-k*ll*an--s-Irish-Brown.jpg

oh christ

hope she covers this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8peTmYPIc

http://www.rte.ie/ten/news/2013/0910/473313-oconnor-gets-initials-tattooed-on-her-face/

The singer had the letters etched on each of her cheeks as a reminder to a man who upset her.

She told the Irish Sun: "It was suitably painful. It is a B and a Q... the initials of the last man who is ever going to shit all over me."

so the anal sex thing got a bit out of hand, huh?

face isn't big enough to fit "difficult brown" on there apparently

I wish she'd just shave messages in her facial hair like Prince.

Just as well it wasn't Eno, cause he has a lot of initials...

what is it with this woman

She’s irish

Nuff said

wow that's rude

yeah that um wasn't quite what I was getting at

Lol

I’m teasing a few of my irish coworkers abt this today and it’s all p hilarious i have to admit

Masha'Allah imo

waiting for dmac to arrive and bash you w a shillelagh

xp

idk hope this brings her some peace and happiness

i am proud of her for still being alive
she does not deserve to be the butt of anyone's joke

horrible jokes is p much a national pastime over on the emerald isle that theyve decided to export here so were even

I’m teasing a few of my irish coworkers abt this today and it’s all p hilarious i have to admit

What's it got to do with them though?

See above

I can see it.

i don't know what else that needs to be said other than she's been through a lot and i hope this is the right thing for her

I’m teasing a few of my irish coworkers abt this today and it’s all p hilarious i have to admit

truly sorry you don’t get enough attention at home, but these jocular fun times happened in your head.

This is actually her third religion now, after being a Unitarian and it’s sad. She’s obviously still searching for what’ll make her happy.

she's been treated poorly. in the 90s everyone said she was CRAZY because she was trying to call attention to abuse within the catholic church, a decade before the full story would come out. everyone owes her an apology imo

I think you're bein a little revisionist there. she didn't renounce the Catholic Church (or speak out their pedo abuse ring role) until like, what 2010?

She tore up the picture of the Pope for reasons totally unrelated to the pedo thing

that's not true. she ripped up the photo to protest child abuse.

i don't know when she converted away from catholicism but that seems quite unrelated

she ripped up the photo to protest child abuse.

― Trϵϵship, Friday, October 26, 2018 12:51 PM (fifty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

she even sang “child abuse, yeah” in her cover of bob marley’s “war”

_I’m teasing a few of my irish coworkers abt this today and it’s all p hilarious i have to admit_


truly sorry you don’t get enough attention at home, but these jocular fun times happened in your head.

This is actually her third religion now, after being a Unitarian and it’s sad. She’s obviously still searching for what’ll make her happy.

ah ok I see you guys are right

media coverage at the time glossed over that so well I didn't remember it!

xps

she's been treated poorly. in the 90s everyone said she was CRAZY because she was trying to call attention to abuse within the catholic church, a decade before the full story would come out. everyone owes her an apology imo

That's not why people thought she was crazy. You think she was the first person in history to suggest that there was abuse happening in the Catholic Church?

she obviously has mental health struggles. the problem was that people thought that her emotional instability was a reason to just completely dismiss everything she had to say and mock her.

Yes, that's more like it.

it a was a convenient way for the church and others to silence her voice and it played into deeply misogynistic tropes

this is just some incidental “sinead was treated like shit” info but joe pesci said he would’ve smacked her had he hosted the snl where she ripped up the picture of the pope

Put in a Magdalene laundry as a child, made a protest about child abuse in the church decades before anyone in media would openly talk about it, publicly vilified and ridiculed for doing so, jfc of course she has mental health problems, doesn't mean you need to join in with the jocular fucking guffawing office bantz, be better than that pls F#A#

xp really fuck joe pesci for that. Madonna's response was nearly as bad, she owes her a serious apology.

When I saw this thread pop up my first thought was "the fact that this thread wouldn't get made on ilm 2018 is a small sign of improvement in the world," but the revive was kind of :/

my revive was a legit inquiry because I have not paid close attention to the details of her life over the years, she just seems to appear once a year in the news (on average) usually because of some kind of meltdown or stunt or cry for help and really I have no idea what is going on w her

I like Sinead. I think she's a great and much misunderstood vocalist with a good heart, and the last I heard of her she was in pretty bad shape and suffering a lot, so I just hope she sees better days.

I mean the last "stunt" was basically her living in a hotel room in hackensack NJ and posting a youtube video about how bad things have gotten for her. I don't really begrudge people who need help for making cries for help.

man alive otm. not really much more to say

I guess I just don't understand what she needs help with. And certainly part of getting help would involve staying out of the public eye...? idk

like when is youtubing the travails of yr private life ever helpful for anybody

in those videos she was obviously in a lot of emotional pain and probably not making the best decisions. don't be a robot.

I guess I just don't understand what she needs help with.

A rule I've developed for myself when I reach this point is "now is probably a good time to shut up"

yyyyyup

shakey honest question have you never had a family member, friend or loved one with serious mental health issues?

I've never liked her as an artist but she's obviously a person who has suffered a lot with mental health issues so I have some sympathy. Basically we could do without some twat on ILX ho-hoing about her and then, into the bargain, broadcasting about ragging on some random Irish people because, you know, she's Irish and you're Irish, yuk yuk.

not so sure sinead wouldn't kick joe pesci's ass

i am proud of her for still being alive
she does not deserve to be the butt of anyone's joke

this is the correct take imo

yep, otm

I feel like I'm getting some grief for being hostile towards her when that was not my intention. I just wanted some insight into her personality/situation w out having to wade through her wikipedia entry.

but y'know whatever

thank you
also maybe stop before you refer to someone as "this woman"

ah yes, the old sincere and well-meaning question "what is it with this woman" just asking questions folks

uh ok

was not aware that phrase was inherently pejorative. intended it in the same spirit as "what is up with this guy"

but hey knives out everybody!

Sinead does something unpopular (but correct) on SNL and gets ridiculed and even threatened with violence on the following week's episode.

Kanye does something unpopular (and idiotic) on SNL and gets some gentle ribbing and assurance that he's still a "musical genius" on the following week's episode.

usually when I say "FP'd you for racism" I'm joking, but I might as well mention it here for balance

yeah well SNL is garbage

xp

I'd forgotten about that Joe Pesci incident. Horrible little pro Catholic child-abuse whitewashing gimp!

Wait, who's racist?

Madonna's SNL response was terrible, she played to the crowd for lols and applause and showed the reverse of bravery.

Madonna's was the tearing up a pic of Joey Buttafuoco, right? If so, eh--I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she was using a comedy show as an excuse to do some "comedy." There are certainly less charitable ways to read it, however.

I'll take Sinead over Madonna any day

La Lechera, gyac, Treeship and others otm. There's nothing even remotely amusing about this.

there's also really no reason to assume shakey had any bad intentions

aside from a general rude tone, i didn't assume any horrific or racist intentions from either of the first two posts i responded to itt -- i just thought it was rude
whenever i hear "this/that woman" my brain replays bill clinton

maybe don't label her actions a "stunt" either.

I thought so too LL, also wondering if it might be best to just lock this thread

Yes, bin it, it's well past its sell by date.

just disappointed she didn't convert to shi'ah islam

Madonna's was the tearing up a pic of Joey Buttafuoco, right? If so, eh--I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she was using a comedy show as an excuse to do some "comedy." There are certainly less charitable ways to read it, however.

― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Friday, October 26, 2018 1:50 PM (twenty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

even if (or especially if!) it was comedy, it turned Sinead's serious righteous anger into a joke, and kinda defanged it and madonna positioned herself as the right kind of pop star as opposed to sinead.

I love at least two Sinead O'Connor songs, thought her SNL appearance was incredibly brave, thought it was terrible the way she was booed at that big Dylan concert. I wish her well.

I don't know why everyone jumps on a couple of guys here for not choosing their words exactly the way you want them to, though. Their comments were fairly innocuous. The thing that's annoying about Sinead O'Connor and most every other famous person in the world is that they live under the belief that we're all interested in their problems. Doesn't matter whether it's her, Axl Rose, Eminem, or Oprah. (As always, my points of reference are very up to date.) Switch religions, do whatever you need to to get better. We don't need to know about it. You don't need to broadcast it on Twitter. And if you do, people may respond in a way that you, or your fans, don't like.

The thing that's annoying about Sinead O'Connor and most every other famous person in the world is that they live under the belief that we're all interested in their problems.

a lot of people live under this impression. as long as they're not harming anyone they shouldn't receive negative responses. sinead is getting shit for this most recent bit of news because of islamophobia and hatred of the mentally ill

Converting to Islam was going to get tons of attention whether she broadcasted it or not.

Wait, who's racist?

― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Friday, October 26, 2018 8:49 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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We don't need to know about it. You don't need to broadcast it on Twitter. And if you do, people may respond in a way that you, or your fans, don't like.

Nobody needs to broadcast anything on Twitter tbh but that's the way the world is.

Jim: Fair enough, but does any of that apply to the two posters above? That's why I hardly ever comment on these matters on ILX--I know I will say something in not exactly the right way, or I'll make what I consider a silly, meaningless joke, and within five minutes 20 people will be on here making me feel like I'm an awful person.

to be clear, I've always felt pretty sympathetic to Sinead - beautiful voice, did some righteous and provocative things, good on her.

What I don't get is the specific nature of her mental illness and its relation to her celebrity. Like, what happened to make her the way she is now.

xp

Just for the record

Meanwhile, the tabloids happily reported, Madonna (no stranger to recontextualized Christian symbols) told The Irish Times: "I think there is a better way to present her ideas rather than ripping up an image that means a lot to other people." She added, "If she is against the Roman Catholic Church and she has a problem with them, I think she should talk about it."

https://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/01/arts/pop-view-why-sinead-o-connor-hit-a-nerve.html

to be clear, I've always felt pretty sympathetic to Sinead - beautiful voice, did some righteous and provocative things, good on her.

What I don't get is the specific nature of her mental illness and its relation to her celebrity. Like, what happened to make her the way she is now.

xp

― Οὖτις, Friday, October 26, 2018 2:46 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't really think that there is anyway we can clearly map the mental health issues of anyone, let alone this famous person who is a stranger to us, and map where and how these mental health struggles originate and where they intersect and interact and bifurcate with/from her celebrity. also why should we try? also how fair is it to interpret a religious conversion as being necessarily an aspect of mental illness etc. it's like a more pathologizing form of TMZ

Ooof, this has not aged well (from the article):

Tearing up the Pope's photograph may have been the best way she could envision to condemn Catholicism, but she surely would have thought twice about tearing up a photograph of Louis Farrakhan or the Lubavitcher Rebbe.

What I don't get is the specific nature of her mental illness and its relation to her celebrity. Like, what happened to make her the way she is now.

it doens't have to relate to her celebrity at all, except inasmuch as that's the reason you read a website reporting on her tweet

but imo on intersection: she had a v good support system with Fachtna in the early international career, has struggled to ever replicate that in the time since the media and music industry dicked her around in the '90s. trauma from child abuse at the hands of at least one parent make it hard for her to find direction alone, or to form healthy relationships with management

she had a v good support system with Fachtna in the early international career, has struggled to ever replicate that in the time since the media and music industry dicked her around in the '90s. trauma from child abuse at the hands of at least one parent make it hard for her to find direction alone, or to form healthy relationships with management

ah see I did not know either of these things

two of our friends (sisters) were systematically sexually abused when they were young by a friend of the family. it has both affected them greatly, one has basically turned to charity as her career specifically protecting women from abuse worldwide, doing lots of fundraising, etc. she is extremely driven and social and able to handle life with an insane toughness (she almost single-handedly wrenched her bf out of drug addiction, for one.)

the other cannot function at all without a protective network and is plagued by anxiety and depression and her recent strides were derailed completely by one older man getting "handsy" with her at a moment of vulnerability. it completely threw her off. she keeps herself going by similar wishes to protect kids and the art she creates. it is crushing to see what she goes through and how she has to maintain just a sense of feeling normal and not destroyed.

An uncle of mine used to represent lots of fellow child abuse survivors of Irish Christian Brothers' industrial schools in 50's Dublin in a joint court action against the catholic church. It's a very serious matter, all of them had their lives almost completely ruined. Scores of them had drug and alcohol dependency problems, some of them commit suicide before it even got to court. Anyone drawing attention to this abuse is doing good work.

Jim: Fair enough, but does any of that apply to the two posters above? That's why I hardly ever comment on these matters on ILX--I know I will say something in not exactly the right way, or I'll make what I consider a silly, meaningless joke, and within five minutes 20 people will be on here making me feel like I'm an awful person.

― clemenza, Friday, October 26, 2018 3:46 PM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

unfortunately i'm just one person, not 20, but i'm willing to skip the hypotheticals and just tell you straight-up you're an awful person.

i'll skip farther than that and tell you straight-up i'm an awful person, and having done so excuse myself from the necessity of proving it in this thread

it also depresses me to know that this is still probably the least awful discussion on the entire internet of this topic

I just read her tweets and watched the video and stuff. She seems happy and in a good state of mind — I imagine that’s all anyone would hope for her(?)

Hard to believe she’s only 51; she’s had quite a life (so far).

Sinead gave an interview with Q in 1994 where she detailed the abuse she suffered at the hands of her own mother, it was absolutely horrifying to read. It's completely unsurprising she struggles with mental health.

For the record, from a piece I saw:

O'Connor is born on December 8, 1966 in Dublin, the third of five children for Sean and Marie O'Connor. Sean and Marie's troubled marriage dissolves when O'Connor is eight years old. Though she's initially sent to live with her father, O'Connor ultimately returns to her mother's home, only to move back in with her father at age 13. In a 1991 interview with Spin, O'Connor will reveal that she and her siblings endured abuse their entire lives at their mother's hands. "I've been beaten with all things with which you can beat a child," she'll tell Spin founder, Bob Guccione Jr. "I didn't get food, I was locked up for days in my room, without food and without clothes. I had to sleep in the garden at night. An entire summer I slept in my home's garden... I was always told that I wasn't all right, that I was a piece of shit, that it was my fault that my parents had separated. That I was filthy, that I was dirty, that I was crazy. I was mostly a piece of shit because I was a girl and because I never did anything right. My whole life I was always terrified. Just the sound of my mother's footsteps on the stairs was enough to let us tremble of fear. We were neglected, we were beaten and we were psychologically and emotionally abused."

O'Connor will offer more more graphic and disturbing details about the abuse in a 2001 interview with The Independent: "It was that kind of psychological destruction. On a regular basis I'd be made to take off my clothes and lie on the floor while she kicked me here [gestures towards genitals] and spit at it. And make me say things like 'I'm nothing,' and ask for mercy. There was a lot of sadism. The violence was sexually abusive."

Living with her mother, O'Connor misses school, never does homework, and finds herself complicit in her mother's theft and fraudulent activities. In an interview with Fred Dove on the BBC's Outlook, O'Connor will recall how her mother used to drive her and her sister around with collection boxes pretending they were for charity. They go into pubs and collect hundreds of pounds, with their mother pocketing the money. Her mother also encourages her to shoplift, which continues until she's caught at 14 and sent to An Grianán Training Centre (one of the infamous Magdalene asylums), an institution in Dublin for girls with behavioural problems, for 18 months. In the Outlook interview, O'Connor calls her time at the asylum traumatic, but also admits "it was the best thing that ever happened to me actually. The nun that ran the place was the person that bought me my first guitar." After a volunteer at the asylum hears O'Connor singing, she recommends the 14-year-old join her brother's band, In Tua Nua. O'Connor records the band's debut single, but is forced out when she's deemed too young to tour.

1983 to 1989
O'Connor's father sends her to an exclusive Quaker boarding school. A teacher sees that the young teen has no interest in traditional education, and encourages her to record a four-song demo, two covers and two originals. She drops out in 1984 after forming a band with Columb Farrelly, which they call Ton Ton Macoute. The reviews praise O'Connor's onstage magnetism and voice, but her time with the band is cut short when her estranged mother dies in a car accident in 1985. In her 1991 interview with Spin, O'Connor will offer details about a conversation she had with her mother about the abuse before she died. "I said 'Why did you hit us?', and she said, 'I've never done anything to you.' She believed that she had done nothing, because it was too shocking for her to deal with it. Now I'm very sure that she was very sad when she had hit us, because my father told me that afterwards she was always completely upset. I think that she ― and my father thinks the same by the way ― was destined to be unhappy. She had to be abused as a child, one way or another. She really couldn't show love. She just couldn't handle it. I love my mother. I've always loved my mother. I've always understood that she didn't mean it that way, even when she hit me. I've never hated her; I've never had a grudge against her. I've always understood that she suffered herself and that she didn't know what she was doing."

Music and some other benefactors (Bono/U2, Peter Gabriel) really saved her.

Jfc

Wow.

musha it didnt do the rest of us any harm, etc

ireland has had a p difficult relationship with sinéad and i dont think its ever likely to break down along lines as simple as proclaiming her a hero for calling out the church back before it was fashionable (because theres an imo correct suspicion that it was driven by an aleady-apparent need for public controversy) nor proclaiming her a victim of the industrial schools as described by calz above (i dont think ive ever seen it said that she was ever treated too badly there, but maybe incorrect?)

a victim of the conservatism of the times (still largely ongoing, afaik) that children are better placed with terrible mothers than almost anywhere else, and tbf in those times and maybe still today -unless in extreme cases which can be sufficiently proven- the statement might still hold true as far as institutional care goes.

jesus she was a megastar here though, before the poperip. we'd never had anyone like her, really. not that good, not that big, not that wild, not that beautiful. debuted on the late late singing the prayer of st francis of all things and next thing nothing compares and then the thing and a sad story ever since.

jim otm re celebrity/attn/coverage/addiction/illness and how its all the one.

all that said, i dunno if she has to be made sacrosanct neither. everyone's suffering is real, and shes a bit too earthy to martyr halo and all just yet. twon't be jokes told in an office that kills her.

"Mandika" popped up on a Spotify radio station I was listening to, what an incredible singer

i'm dancing the seven veils

mandinka is a force of nature

listening to it again and rly it renders all loud cranberries utterly redundant

Lol

Great post dmac thanks

well shucks i juat dont like loud cranberries man