― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)
Oh wait, Gang Starr are fucking MONOTONOUS, that's right.
― Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)
-Adam on the "cash money vs. rawkus" thread.
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― gaz (gaz), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)
I love them, and "Hard to Earn" is one of my favorite albums ever..."The Planet" and "Mass Appeal" and "Suckas Need Bodyguards" and "Code of the Streets" - that's some banging breakbeat funk and I like how guru's rasp sounds simultaneously smoked out and conciencious (sp)
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― zappi (joni), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 8 October 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― joseph pot (STINKOR™), Friday, 8 October 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)
Concinecious is the best word for Guru's voice, it's got conscious and conscientious going on at the same time plus a bunch of other weird phonemes I can't draw out yet. I don't believe in soul, but that's what his voice is full of, thick and marmalade-y and just right.
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 8 October 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 8 October 2004 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 8 October 2004 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)
This about sums it up. Why Premier would choose to devote so much of his time and attention to such a boring MC is eternally beyond me.
― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 8 October 2004 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)
truer words have never been spoken. i have never understood why this album doesn't get more love/canonization. it is easily their best album and a top ten in my books. its also really funky, along the lines of EPMD's strictly business and brand nubian's one for all.
― tipustiger, Friday, 8 October 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― adam (adam), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― gaz (gaz), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)
I think "wow, that's a clever Chi Ali reference."
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Symplistic (shmuel), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Symplistic (shmuel), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)
especially when "I'm getttin' more iller than the Zodiac killer"
seriously,Living Proof is one of my personal favorite hip hop albums ever, maybe that makes me weird or dated but I don't care, so there
― Drew Daniel, Friday, 8 October 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― tremendoid, Friday, 8 October 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)
OTM. but i don't really hate Guru, he's just an average mc with a decent voice. not much personality to him though, and you'd expect someone called Guru to live up to such a name.
― joseph pot (STINKOR™), Friday, 8 October 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 8 October 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― oops (Oops), Friday, 8 October 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― robin (robin), Monday, 11 October 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Symplistic (shmuel), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)
― deej., Friday, 25 March 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)
― The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)
― deej., Friday, 25 March 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)
― Austin agrees (Austin, Still), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:38 (twenty years ago)
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Friday, 25 March 2005 04:50 (twenty years ago)
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 25 March 2005 05:09 (twenty years ago)
Oh man:
so Primo confirmed on sirius radio that Guru had heart attack & is in a coma and will undergo surgery tomorrow.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 March 2010 04:00 (fifteen years ago)
noooooo! i hope he recovers.
― elan, Monday, 1 March 2010 05:38 (fifteen years ago)
how did i know that would be a link to a ?uestlove tweet
― zvooka socka lame (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 1 March 2010 06:19 (fifteen years ago)
Gang Starr has never made a bad album. Get well soon, Guru!
― zvooka socka lame (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 1 March 2010 06:20 (fifteen years ago)
lol @ young deej
― waka flocka pedia (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 March 2010 06:20 (fifteen years ago)
someone change thread title to "defend them here against disgusting savages"?
― waka flocka pedia (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 March 2010 06:21 (fifteen years ago)
wtf people on this thread having a problem with guru
― zvooka socka lame (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 1 March 2010 06:40 (fifteen years ago)
it's like having a problem with charlie parker
damn the guy is only 43, hope he's gonna be alright
― waka yoga flame (some dude), Monday, 1 March 2010 07:16 (fifteen years ago)
― zvooka socka lame (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, March 1, 2010 4:40 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
It's nothing like that at all.
― Popture, Monday, 1 March 2010 07:57 (fifteen years ago)
actually it is
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 1 March 2010 08:04 (fifteen years ago)
haha see i can play too
NBC needs to create a show called THE MESSAGE BOARD REF for such disagreements like this
― waka flocka pedia (J0rdan S.), Monday, 1 March 2010 08:05 (fifteen years ago)
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Guru can't die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbZeEt0CCdMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjCHXJA9D9Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQQeUNaZtchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyP3nhBLL8Y
cant believe there are any haters but fuck 'em if they exist. Gang Starr are the best.
― 80085 (a hoy hoy), Monday, 1 March 2010 09:27 (fifteen years ago)
Word
― "Fuck Off" to the Buskers (Noodle Vague), Monday, 1 March 2010 09:29 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwRkpE2UDIE
― 80085 (a hoy hoy), Monday, 1 March 2010 09:38 (fifteen years ago)
i caught a lot of shit for liking gangstar/guru back in the day, esp. from one painfully hip writer who was hyping this new guy named...sean "puffy" combs/LOL
― the mighty the mighty BOHANNON (m coleman), Monday, 1 March 2010 10:36 (fifteen years ago)
what is there not to like?! News:http://www.ballerstatus.com/2010/03/01/gangstarrs-guru-suffers-heart-attack-currently-in-coma/Hope he makes it out okay
― RubyNoir, Monday, 1 March 2010 10:46 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXCo_lR3Pp0
― am0n, Monday, 1 March 2010 18:02 (fifteen years ago)
how fucking sad :(
― for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 1 March 2010 18:12 (fifteen years ago)
damn this sucks
― dmr, Monday, 1 March 2010 20:07 (fifteen years ago)
not a huge stan or anything but man this sucks. good luck big guy
― mark roflr (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 1 March 2010 20:11 (fifteen years ago)
I self Lord and Master shall bring disaster to evil factorsDemonic chapters, shall be captured by KingsThrough the storms of days afterUnto the Earth from the Sun through triple darkness to blast yawith a force that can`t be comparedto any firepower, for it`s mindpower sharedThe brainwake, causes vessels to circulatelike constellations reflect at night off the lake
― for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 1 March 2010 20:33 (fifteen years ago)
^^^ full stop one of my favourite songs of all time. i always liked the deck verse better but guru still kills it.
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 1 March 2010 20:38 (fifteen years ago)
damn this is terrible news. gonna dig out 'moment of truth' right now some classic shit
― david cam'ron (tpp), Monday, 1 March 2010 21:51 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV0b74LLGk0
― can it compete with the wagon wheel (Eazy), Monday, 1 March 2010 21:58 (fifteen years ago)
listenin to moment of truth
― dmr, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 03:16 (fifteen years ago)
guru looks like the last dude you'd expect to have a heart attack
― ('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 06:44 (fifteen years ago)
UPDATE: Guru Surgery Successful; Full Recovery ExpectedTuesday, March 02, 2010 8:30 AM | 10 commentsBy Nolan Strong and Grouchy Greg Watkins(AllHipHop News) Gangstarr founding member rapper Guru is recovering from a successful surgery yesterday (March 1) , after suffering a massive heart attack over the weekend.
Sources close to Guru told AllHipHop.com that the rapper is doing “fine” and should make a full recovery, despite chatter on the Internet that the 43-year-old artist had died.
“Guru is alive and recovering from his surgery. Doctors are expecting a full recovery luckily,” a source told AllHipHop.com.
Guru's partner DJ Premier also confirmed the news on his official Twitter page.
More information will be released to AllHipHop.com today (March 2) regarding Guru’s health condition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TNkP4pH6-0
― am0n, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 20:33 (fifteen years ago)
some weird shit discussed in that video
― am0n, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 20:38 (fifteen years ago)
wtf is he talking about mc solaar?
― om nom nom nom de plume (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 20:38 (fifteen years ago)
i don't think so
http://www.guru7grand.net/solar.html
― am0n, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 20:42 (fifteen years ago)
lol @
"... this is a new era. This is the era of the Neptunes, of Storch, and Kanye, and I see myself in the same school of producers."Solar, Soundslam Interview 2005
― am0n, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 20:48 (fifteen years ago)
file under: sites that haven't been updated in 5 years
― am0n, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 20:49 (fifteen years ago)
wtffffff
http://djpremierblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/what-in-gods-name-is-really-going-on.html
http://djpremierblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/gurus-nephew-update-us-with-new-video.html
― am0n, Tuesday, 9 March 2010 06:25 (fifteen years ago)
dammit
― went ham in a bad way (stevie), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 09:42 (fifteen years ago)
RIP :(
― X-101, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 09:42 (fifteen years ago)
also, the letter here is crazy weirdhttp://www.ballerstatus.com/2010/04/20/guru-dies-after-long-battle-with-cancer-report/
― went ham in a bad way (stevie), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 09:43 (fifteen years ago)
My loyal best friend, partner and brother, Solar, has been at my side through it all and has been made my health proxy by myself on all matters relating to myself. He has been with me by my side on my many hospital stays, operations, doctors visits and stayed with me at my home and cared for me when I could not care for myself. Solar and his family is my family and I love them dearly and I expect my family, friends, and fans to respect that, regardless to anybody's feelings on the matter. It is my wish that counts. This being said I am survived by the love of my life, my sun KC, who I trust will be looked after by Solar and his family as their own. Any awards or tributes should be accepted, organized approved by Solar on behalf myself and my son until he is of age to except on his own.
I do not wish my ex-DJ to have anything to do with my name likeness, events tributes etc. connected in anyway to my situation including any use of my name or circumstance for any reason and I have instructed my lawyers to enforce this. I had nothing to do with him in life for over 7 years and want nothing to do with him in death. Solar has my life story and is well informed on my family situation, as well as the real reason for separating from my ex-DJ. As the sole founder of GangStarr, I am very proud of what GangStarr has meant to the music world and fans. I equally am proud of my Jazzmatazz series and as the father of Hip-Hop/Jazz. I am most proud of my leadership and pioneering efforts on Jazzmatazz 4 for reinvigorating the Hip-Hop/Jazz genre in a time when music quality has reached an all time low. Solar and I have toured in places that I have never been before with GangStarr or Jazzmatatazz and we gained a reputation for being the best on the planet at Hip-Hop/Jazz, as well as the biggest and most influential Hip-Hop/Jazz record with Jazzmatazz 4 of the decade to now. The work I have done with Solar represents a legacy far beyond its time. And we as a team were not afraid to push the envelope. To me this is what true artists do! As men of honor we stood tall in the face of small mindedness, greed, and ignorance. As we fought for music and integrity at the cost of not earning millions and for this I will always be happy and proud, and would like to thank the million fans who have seen us perform over the years from all over the world. The work I have done with Solar represents a legacy far beyond its time and is my most creative and experimental to date. I hope that our music will receive the attention it deserves as it is some of the best work I have done and represents some of the best years of my life.
― went ham in a bad way (stevie), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 09:45 (fifteen years ago)
like... i have a feeling solar had a part in writing this letter.
― went ham in a bad way (stevie), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 09:46 (fifteen years ago)
Shit - I din't even know he was ill. RIP Guru.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He9aADZqf-s
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 09:46 (fifteen years ago)
RIP
― this guy was grey for me to poupon (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 09:51 (fifteen years ago)
I hope Solar did write that letter, it's not a great way to go out.
― Bone Thugs-n-Carmody (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 09:54 (fifteen years ago)
It says "The work I have done with Solar represents a legacy far beyond its time" twice o_O
― this guy was grey for me to poupon (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 10:04 (fifteen years ago)
RIP, Guru.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 10:09 (fifteen years ago)
RIP, jazz man.
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 10:22 (fifteen years ago)
Pour out the lemonade.
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 10:23 (fifteen years ago)
oh man really? ;_; ;_; ;_;
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 10:58 (fifteen years ago)
THIS FUCKING SUCKS
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 10:59 (fifteen years ago)
Oh man there will never be another Gang Starr record :(
gifted unlimited rhymes universal r.i.p.
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 11:13 (fifteen years ago)
This fucking sucks. It was Guru you know! This is like I dunno, Mick Jagger dying for some boring old white cunty boomers will feel like.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 11:14 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O8oV1ATfH0
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 11:19 (fifteen years ago)
TONZ O GUNZ everybodies getting strappedTONZ O GUNZ gotta watch the way you actTONZ O GUNZ real easy to getTONZ O GUNZ bringing nothing but death
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 11:28 (fifteen years ago)
The work I have done with Solar represents a legacy far beyond its time and is my most creative and experimental to date.
I guess you could say that these press statements ghostwritten by Solar are some kind of experimental art form.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 11:41 (fifteen years ago)
rip
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 12:49 (fifteen years ago)
fuck :(
can someone update the thread title or something? i saw the thread bumped and was like cool maybe there's an update on his recovery, such a heartbreaker to scroll down and see the news.
― some dude, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:00 (fifteen years ago)
― max, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:05 (fifteen years ago)
yeah this sucks RIP
― Neil S, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:06 (fifteen years ago)
if he did write that thats horrible
anyone know what the deal is with him and premier? i knew they had a rocky relationship but i didnt know it was THAT bad.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:08 (fifteen years ago)
>_<
― am0n, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:14 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD8hhNtxPgs
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:14 (fifteen years ago)
damn, thought this was going to be good news. Guru + Premo were such an amazing combination, they consistently made such great records. RIP.
― aztec gamera (zappi), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:15 (fifteen years ago)
I'm sure it was a dispute about royalties or something. Part about Guru being the "sole founder" of Gang Starr sound like some lawsuit shit trying to cut Premier out of the publishing money.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:17 (fifteen years ago)
gangstarr youtubus, hella nostalgia rite now
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:21 (fifteen years ago)
Comments from the site hosting the letter:
Guru did not type this letter!!!!!Just smells fake….I bet a pargraphologist (or whatever the tech term is) could pick this apart and clearly tell you that this was not written by someone on their death bed but by someone who has something to gain.Odd…at the very least, odd..shady…
Just smells fake….I bet a pargraphologist (or whatever the tech term is) could pick this apart and clearly tell you that this was not written by someone on their death bed but by someone who has something to gain.
Odd…at the very least, odd..shady…
If you read between the lines it sounds like he had complications from HIV and Solar was his lover. There’s definitely more to this story.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:22 (fifteen years ago)
Distasteful speculation is what is required now.
― Neil S, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:24 (fifteen years ago)
maybe guru was french now, just sayin
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:26 (fifteen years ago)
maybe Jazzmatazz 4 did reinvigorate the Hip-Hop/Jazz genre in a time when music quality has reached an all time low.
― am0n, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:28 (fifteen years ago)
maybe Jazzmatazz 4 did redeinvigorate the Hip-Hop/Jazz genre in a time when music quality has reached an all time low.
(Oh no I didn't...)
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:33 (fifteen years ago)
all time low high *
its true you didnt, but then you did
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:34 (fifteen years ago)
love this till i die:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roEvfT-gT0Q
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:39 (fifteen years ago)
great hip hop group.
― Ndamukong HOOS (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:02 (fifteen years ago)
this news really sucks ...
― When we was in the shower, your buttcheeks was warm (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:05 (fifteen years ago)
can't believe Guru was already 24 when "Just to get a Rep" came out. He already looked like a hip-hop wise man. RIP
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:35 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht5nYZsBqPA
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:41 (fifteen years ago)
wow, genuinely shocked. wtf
I'll pour some lemonade on the curb for ya
― Dr. Morbius' Moist Deployment (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:42 (fifteen years ago)
Son of a bitch! I thought no news was good news after the heart attack, but now this? Fuck.
― I Smell Xasthur Williams (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:44 (fifteen years ago)
― don't you steal my Sunstein (HI DERE), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:44 (fifteen years ago)
a sad day for sure
all the solar & anti-premier stuff... well, the weird letter is not a great thing to leave us with, but the gang starr records remain
― David SBanner (zvookster), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:50 (fifteen years ago)
That letter is like if Keith Richards died & left a letter asking people to focus on his work with the Expensive Winos.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:56 (fifteen years ago)
RIP :( Shitty thing to hear first thing in the morning.
― ian, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 15:57 (fifteen years ago)
That's totally what the letter sounds like though, whoever the hell wrote it.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 16:01 (fifteen years ago)
is it really that hard to believe that a dude near-death would write a fairly rambling and incoherent letter? dude was in a coma like a month ago!
― Dr. Morbius' Moist Deployment (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 16:05 (fifteen years ago)
its neither rambling or incoherent
― am0n, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 16:08 (fifteen years ago)
eh you know what I mean
― Dr. Morbius' Moist Deployment (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 16:09 (fifteen years ago)
you mean a letter full of challops
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 16:16 (fifteen years ago)
You mean a letter so incredibly dismissive of his former MC as to mention his possible taking legal action from the grave, while simultaneously kissing his current collaborator's ass seven ways to Sunday?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 16:50 (fifteen years ago)
former DJ, shurely?
― went ham in a bad way (stevie), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 16:51 (fifteen years ago)
Right. Slip o' the mind.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 16:51 (fifteen years ago)
Goddam this sucks & is surprising news to me - I had no idea he was sick. I've actually just started to consider Gang Starr, which I'd somehow overlooked when I was younger, b/c of a collection I am working on of hip-hop cassettes 87-92. I remember him mostly from Jazzmatazz which was one of if not the de facto dormroom hipster rap albums of 94-95. I wrote this in another post recently, but very few actually made a worthwhile case for the existence of jazz-rap & this guy was one of them, so if nothing else he deserves props for that.
RIP dude.
― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 16:54 (fifteen years ago)
I was REALLY into the first Jazzmatazz album (lol dormroom hipster rap) but ... it quickly became a bit of an aesthetic dead-end, no?
― Dr. Morbius' Moist Deployment (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 16:56 (fifteen years ago)
Can you blame fans for wanting to believe Solar wrote that letter? It's easier than believing Guru would use his last words to eviscerate his old bandmate.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 17:13 (fifteen years ago)
eh I think it's pretty easy to believe he's bitter towards Primo
― Dr. Morbius' Moist Deployment (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 17:23 (fifteen years ago)
sometimes people are bitter right up to the very end
Does anyone know what the 'beef' was with these two? Feel free to link to articles outlining their feud. I'm looking for some now but my google phrases aren't turning up much.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 17:35 (fifteen years ago)
oh come on I'm sure it's just royalties/money
― Dr. Morbius' Moist Deployment (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 17:40 (fifteen years ago)
there's been some really weird stuff going around, the impression i got was that guru was not well and solar was sort of manipulating him and not allowing his family to visit him....seems like some weird landy/brian wilson shit or something
― Ndamukong HOOS (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 17:48 (fifteen years ago)
from 2005http://www.jivemagazine.com/article.php?pid=3733
JIVE: What are some of the artists that Seven Grand Records will be putting out?Guru: Well first let me give a little back ground about how this how came about. With Gangstarr, I felt frustrated. Being on a major label and every time we came out with a record there was input from the label or the A&R who wanted to tamper with our creative vision, especially mine as the front man and the writer.They had it under the contract that I could only use Guru for Gangstarr and Jazzmatazz, a seven album period. It was really annoying to me because Premier being that he was just a member of the group, production wasn’t covered under that, so he could produce for whomever he wanted. I supported that because I felt that was good for Gangstarr because it was like people were buying into Gangstarr, but I still felt it was foul that I couldn’t do what I wanted to do, so I vowed that once I got out of that contract, I was going to do a solo project. During that time, Solar was hanging with us. For people who don’t really know what’s going on, they think that Solar came out of no where. ...There’s no beef with me and Premier. No emotionality involved. What it has to do with is Gangstarr is a legacy, and if we keep trying to put it out under the wrong circumstances, then it will just get milked and milked and milked until its something that’s not worth anything. I didn’t want that, so I am leaving that as a legacy, and at the same time create a new legacy.
Guru: Well first let me give a little back ground about how this how came about. With Gangstarr, I felt frustrated. Being on a major label and every time we came out with a record there was input from the label or the A&R who wanted to tamper with our creative vision, especially mine as the front man and the writer.
They had it under the contract that I could only use Guru for Gangstarr and Jazzmatazz, a seven album period. It was really annoying to me because Premier being that he was just a member of the group, production wasn’t covered under that, so he could produce for whomever he wanted. I supported that because I felt that was good for Gangstarr because it was like people were buying into Gangstarr, but I still felt it was foul that I couldn’t do what I wanted to do, so I vowed that once I got out of that contract, I was going to do a solo project. During that time, Solar was hanging with us. For people who don’t really know what’s going on, they think that Solar came out of no where.
...
There’s no beef with me and Premier. No emotionality involved. What it has to do with is Gangstarr is a legacy, and if we keep trying to put it out under the wrong circumstances, then it will just get milked and milked and milked until its something that’s not worth anything. I didn’t want that, so I am leaving that as a legacy, and at the same time create a new legacy.
― am0n, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 18:16 (fifteen years ago)
sort of confusing.
very sad that he's gone.
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 18:35 (fifteen years ago)
RIP Guru
I was hoping he'd pull through.
― elan, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 18:42 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZurtunmv54
― elan, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 18:43 (fifteen years ago)
yeh the letter is the same stuff that's been coming from the guru/solar camp for a minute. lots of ppl have reacted to the constant "super producer" thing w solar and guru's upplaying of that and downplaying of gangstarr. stuff like saying guru was brainwashed or controlled by solar in a way that was unhealthy, or that there was a relationship. but it's hard to make a call on it, could be premier stans reacting to guru wanting ppl to respect his jazzmatazz project, or could be ppl who really know what the situation was. it's a pity to be talking about this stuff really.
― David SBanner (zvookster), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 18:49 (fifteen years ago)
some links kind of abt it:
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.8862/title.guru-talks-new-album-gang-starr
http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2009/04/guru-fastlane
http://philaflava.blogspot.com/2009/06/exclusive-interview-wguru-solar.html
― David SBanner (zvookster), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 18:53 (fifteen years ago)
actually bought some lemonade today, poured some out. :(
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 19:01 (fifteen years ago)
there was also the recent business, which is upthread i think, of his nephew trying to see him in hospital and finding that family were blocked due to the healthcare proxy signed by guru's "brother & sister", actually solar & solar's wife, which kind of fed into this idea of solar's influence being seen as kind of o_O rather than there being some kind of premier-guru beef.
― David SBanner (zvookster), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 19:10 (fifteen years ago)
I'm so out of touch I was thinking Solar might be MC Solaar.
― Chris L, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 19:45 (fifteen years ago)
so did MTV News
― dmr, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:00 (fifteen years ago)
― President Keyes, Tuesday, April 20, 2010 6:17 AM Bookmark
Technically, Primo is not a founding member of Gang Starr, which started as Guru's crew in Boston. The original incarnation of Gang Starr released a couple singles circa '87. After the other members bailed, Guru kept the name, linked up with Premier in NY, and the rest is history.
― black people for less (The Reverend), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:05 (fifteen years ago)
RIP, btw. Everything about this seems so bizarre. :(
― black people for less (The Reverend), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:06 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.discogs.com/Gang-Starr-Believe-Dat/master/193922
http://www.discogs.com/Gang-Starr-The-Lesson/master/23654
http://www.discogs.com/Gang-Starr-Movin-On/master/23351
^^^Pre-Premier Gang Starr
― black people for less (The Reverend), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:10 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7cFdBquRNs
― black people for less (The Reverend), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:11 (fifteen years ago)
He sounds so young!
was hoping for positive news, rest in peace.
― ogmor, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:50 (fifteen years ago)
No fan of hip-hop, but those "Jazzmatazz" albums were far from the worst hip-hop I've heard.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:27 (fifteen years ago)
Oh, and, RIP
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)
What's the worst, then?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 22:07 (fifteen years ago)
Anything by MC Paul Barman surely?
― ears are wounds, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)
oh no, don't get the Geirbot going on this subject ...
― No way you'll never make it, come with the weak shit I'll break it. (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 22:46 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.megomuseum.com/teevee/images/robot.jpg
― No way you'll never make it, come with the weak shit I'll break it. (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 22:47 (fifteen years ago)
what a bummer...RIP
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 22:58 (fifteen years ago)
can we plz not turn this into (yet another) Geir hates rap thread
― the first circus ringleader in space (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 23:03 (fifteen years ago)
hey, that pre-premier gang starr track is kind of great. who knew?
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 00:30 (fifteen years ago)
mister cee tribute on hot97 from earlier today:
http://rapradar.com/2010/04/20/mister-cees-guru-tribute-mix/ "> http://rapradar.com/2010/04/20/mister-cees-guru-tribute-mix/
― sknybrg, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 00:52 (fifteen years ago)
― Chris L, Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:45 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― dmr, Tuesday, April 20, 2010 4:00 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
so did i, disappointed tbh
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 03:47 (fifteen years ago)
RIP Guru.
― dad a, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 04:27 (fifteen years ago)
:-( RIP guru <3 u
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 04:50 (fifteen years ago)
Guru is horrible. So monotonous, and he never actually says anything interesting. Premier and Jeru would've made a better Gangstarr team. I can't listen to more than two Gangstarr tracks in a row. Too samey.― paulhw (paulhw), Friday, October 8, 2004 7:00 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark
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― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 05:35 (fifteen years ago)
sorry dude is dead. never heard of him.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 05:37 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.nkeppol.com/files/gimgs/33_lemonade1.jpg
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 05:45 (fifteen years ago)
if you don't like gang starr...you just don't get it
― pollos da don (tpp), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 06:19 (fifteen years ago)
I was raised like a muslim, praying to the East
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 08:47 (fifteen years ago)
Fat Lace dedication to Guru:
http://fatlacemagazine.com/2010/04/mostly-tha-voice-the-fat-lace-dedication-to-guru/
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 14:19 (fifteen years ago)
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:35 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
c&ping negative things someone said about a dead person before they died is a dick move imo, chill out
― Spiney G. Porcupinegarden (some dude), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 14:34 (fifteen years ago)
sorry i didnt think to bump this thread before he died but dead or alive, suggest ban
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 22 April 2010 04:41 (fifteen years ago)
http://livefromheadqcourterz.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/official-statement-from-dj-premier-on-the-death-of-keith-elam-guru/
IT WAS A SAD DAY FOR ME TO GET CONFIRMATION ON THE DEATH OF A MAN WHO I WILL CONTINUE TO CALL MY BROTHER, KEITH ELAM, BETTER KNOWN AS GURU OF THE LEGENDARY GANG STARR.
FROM 1988-2004, WE EXPERIENCED SO MUCH SUCCESS TOGETHER THAT WE WERE ABLE TO EXPAND OUR BUSINESSES INDEPENDENTLY AND GIVE EACH OTHER WHAT GURU CALLED “CREATIVE SPACE”, BEFORE PLANNING TO REUNITE FOR OUR 7TH LP WHEN THE TIME WAS RIGHT. TRAGICALLY, WE WILL NEVER REACH THAT DAY.
I’VE BEEN ASKED TO COMMENT ON A LETTER SPEAKING ILL OF ME WHICH WAS SUPPOSEDLY WRITTEN BY GURU IN HIS DYING DAYS. ALL I WILL SAY ABOUT IT IS THAT OUR TIME TOGETHER WAS BEAUTIFUL, WE BUILT A HIP HOP LEGACY TOGETHER, AND NO ONE CAN RE-WRITE HISTORY OR TAKE AWAY MY LOVE FOR HIM. ONE THING I WOULD NEVER DO IS PLAY AROUND WITH THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS LIFE.
I WILL CELEBRATE GURU’S LIFE… I WILL HONOR HIS MEMORY… I WILL GRIEVE WITH THE ELAM FAMILY OVER HIS UNTIMELY DEATH… I WILL REMEMBER THE GANG STARR FOUNDATION AND ALL OF THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS OF GANG STARR WHO CAME BEFORE ME – WE ALL KNOW EACH OTHER… MOSTLY, I WILL CHERISH EVERYTHING WE CREATED TOGETHER AS GANG STARR, FOREVER. I’M GONNA MISS HEARING HIS SIGNATURE MONOTONE VOICE WHEN HE WALKS IN THE ROOM, BUT THE SONGS WILL ALWAYS BRING IT BACK TO ME….HIS RHYME FLOWS WERE INSANE, AND I WILL NEVER REMOVE HIM FROM MY HEART AND SOUL…….REST IN PEACE TO THE MAN WHO FELT “SATISFACTION FROM THE STREET CROWD REACTION” … I LOVE YOU GOO…….DJ PREMIER
― am0n, Thursday, 22 April 2010 05:33 (fifteen years ago)
http://twitter.com/FINALLEVEL/status/12586059508
― am0n, Thursday, 22 April 2010 05:36 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.djpremierblog.com/2010/03/11/the-man-who-calls-himself-a-superproducer/
― and ya thought that shit played out in ILX (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 April 2010 06:36 (fifteen years ago)
lol at even premo having mixed up solar/solaar, but mostly sad
― z-vo (The Reverend), Thursday, 22 April 2010 07:44 (fifteen years ago)
that premier post above is classy
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 22 April 2010 07:50 (fifteen years ago)
classy but sb for all caps. jeez, learn to not hurt my eyes fav producer of all time.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 22 April 2010 08:21 (fifteen years ago)
Snoop Dogg: "420 gonna be in honor of the big homie Guru.. respect the foundation... light one up for the legend"
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 22 April 2010 08:26 (fifteen years ago)
"I’M GONNA MISS HEARING HIS SIGNATURE MONOTONE VOICE WHEN HE WALKS IN THE ROOM"
lolzors.
― soulless orange bimbo (res), Thursday, 22 April 2010 12:54 (fifteen years ago)
@BumpyKnuckles: #FUCKSOLAR YOU WANNA BE FAMOUS? I GOT U. LET GURU's BODY GO TO HIS FAMILY YOU SICK FUCKIN WEIRDO!!
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 22 April 2010 13:21 (fifteen years ago)
that "DJ Premier blog" is a fansite, not Premo blogging
― dmr, Thursday, 22 April 2010 13:32 (fifteen years ago)
ha, my bad
― http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinky_Blink (The Reverend), Thursday, 22 April 2010 14:23 (fifteen years ago)
Bio ICE T AKA ICEBERG Leader of the FINAL LEVEL TWITTER GANG. If you don't know, now you know! SMG is the click! Final Level is the label!
― am0n, Thursday, 22 April 2010 14:24 (fifteen years ago)
thx 4 clearin that up
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 22 April 2010 14:48 (fifteen years ago)
TWITTER GANG
― am0n, Thursday, 22 April 2010 14:49 (fifteen years ago)
power by icet is totally proto gangstarr sound btw, its rad
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 22 April 2010 14:49 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2010/04/23/my_brother_gang_starrs_guru/
― am0n, Friday, 23 April 2010 21:27 (fifteen years ago)
dj premier tribute mixhttp://www.mixcloud.com/WorksOfMart/keith-guru-elam-tribute-mix/
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Saturday, 24 April 2010 21:02 (fifteen years ago)
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2010/04/23/Dad%2C-Keiith-and-Me-for-Glob__1272065737_0012.jpg
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 24 April 2010 21:05 (fifteen years ago)
damn, you can definitely tell he was his father's son, if not in that picture
― it ain't trickin if yo gotti (The Reverend), Saturday, 24 April 2010 21:13 (fifteen years ago)
so he never did come out of the coma...
― elan, Saturday, 24 April 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/interviews/id.1535/title.tasha-denham-just-to-get-a-rep
Interview with an employee of Seven Grand Records:
DX: As a close associate, an employee, all these things. When was the first time you started to notice that things were not normal or healthy?
Tasha Denham: I think it came pretty early on, really. One of the defining moments to me when I knew something was...it was the way Solar spoke to Guru. It was always down to him. He really belittled him, and would do it in front of other people. This wasn't something he just did in private. He is a member of The Five Percent Nation of Gods and Earths, as is Guru. He would use that against him, to bring him down. It was important to both of them, very important. I believe Guru's a pleaser; he liked to make people happy. Solar would tell him that the Nation of Gods and Earths are ashamed of him, they're disappointed in him. That he doesn't live up to their teachings. I can't think of the word that they used. There was a lot of times they'd get into arguments over it. He'd sit, and Guru would try to defend himself, and Solar would just get more and more irate over it.
There was one night we were at Guru's house. I was about three months pregnant at the time. Guru kept defending himself. Guru actually stood up and kind of got in Solar's face about it. Next thing I know, Solar punched him in the face. From that point in time, he just started kicking him and hitting him. Guru was fighting back, he wasn't just sitting there being a punk, but at the same time, Guru had severe asthma. He didn't have his inhaler. He started really hyper-ventalating and really having a hard time, and Solar kept beating him. It wasn't a fight anymore, it was beating him. I felt that it was so bad that I got in between the two of them and broke it up, because I knew he wouldn't hit me of course. At that point in time, I was pregnant with his child.
Instead of stopping and making sure his partner, friend, "brother" - as he calls him was okay, Guru was sitting there saying, "I'm having an asthma attack. I need to go to the hospital. I think I'm gonna have a heart attack." He's bleeding, really shaking. Instead of stopping and calming himself down, Solar told me, "We're leaving," and goes and gets in the car and drives me back to the city. He didn't call and check on Guru, didn't make sure he was alright. That's probably one of the first times I was like, "Wow, this relationship is really unhealthy. It's a really sick relationship." After that, if I didn't physically see it myself...I saw Guru punched in the face numerous times with no provocation. It would just be that he'd get upset with something Guru would say and punch him in the face. I know he knocked a tooth out of Guru's. I know he gave him a black eye so Guru would have to wear glasses for photo-shoots and concerts.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 10:58 (fifteen years ago)
holy shit
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 11:05 (fifteen years ago)
why would guru have to defend himself? what 'negative' things did he ever do? this is turning surprisingly weird. that dj premier tribute to guru from his show is ok, but youd think premier would be a bit more sensitive. i think i liked premier more before i heard him speak.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 11:06 (fifteen years ago)
that interview makes it sound like gurus last few years were really sad and hellish. poor guy. i always wonder in these sorts of situations why family/other people dont intervene more (as with odb) but who knows.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 11:21 (fifteen years ago)
Premier speaks to Vibe:
http://www.vibe.com/content/dj-premier-opens-about-gurus-death-solar-gang-starr-reunion-more
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 16:33 (fifteen years ago)
jesus this is all so sad
― Shakey Ja Mocha (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 16:53 (fifteen years ago)
Good interview.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 17:02 (fifteen years ago)
this all really makes me wonder if guru was even able to seek proper medical attention for his sickness
― langston hoos (The Reverend), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 22:14 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, a lot of this is weird and sad, especially how large contractual shit loomed over him right till the end.
― ogmor, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 22:43 (fifteen years ago)
For anyone who thinks that Guru just wasn't THAT good of a rapper, check out this one-verse story rap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv0lOAbdbik
― elan, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:33 (fifteen years ago)
So...did any 'expert' ever comment on the authenticity of the alleged Guru deathbed letter? Based on family comments, it seems pretty obvious Guru didn't write it, because he reportedly never actually came out of his coma. Since it wasn't a will, I guess there was no need to seek legal attention, but I still would think this grounds for fraud/libel? Can't find any articles after April 2010, so maybe the family just decided to let it go?
― check out my malady (San Te), Saturday, 26 March 2011 12:22 (fourteen years ago)