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Has anyone seen the boycottthenme.com site? A friend of mine who works for the Karmarama ad agency says that it's supposed to be some 'sophisticated' campaign to promote the magazine.

Apparently it's like that bloody annoying Ikea campaign - they're starting small with a website and 'guerilla marketing' on websites messageboards because they want to keep it "street". Wankers. Then they're going to run radio and TV ads. They must think we're stupid - the site's registered annonymously and the so called successful internet editor has no name either.

I really can't believe they'd think that music fans are this thick

Dave Reeves, Thursday, 21 October 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

There's only one thing in the world that could possibly make me buy the NME again... NME becomes a slash fan fiction journal.

AND THEY MADE IT COME TRUE!!!!

I'm so glad that they've finally come clean and just admitted that all they are now is just a giant wankrag. I highly approve.

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Thursday, 21 October 2004 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(Though the fan fiction community actually critiqued their slash attempt, and though they said it was pretty good for a beginner, it was technically Drabble and not slash, the characters were fairly poorly developped, and the plot was a bit thin.)

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Thursday, 21 October 2004 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

the only time i remember Steve Sutherland speaking to me at the NME offices, was to read out a gushing fan letter the paper had received after a large photo of me was published in the mag. it went on about rosy cheeks, shiny eyes, chipmunk face... ugh.

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

That's it, Stevie, I'm writing slash about yoooooouuuu now... ;-)

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

aha mr dave reeves, how do we know that you aren't some member of NME's "street team", doing a bit of sly steath marketing?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

huh. i was wondering when someone was going to lift the lid of nme's clever-clever-clogs anti-ad-adverts for the nme. someone will win a london media award for that nme campaign.

doomie x, Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

There is a dave heading this company:

snapped from Google:

Karmarama
Unexpected Creativity is a fresh approach to advertising, design and brand planning.
Karmarama was founded by Dave Buonaguidi and Naresh Ramchandani in 2000.
www.karmarama.com/

They have previously worked for EMAP [radio] so they have a track record working for large media companies.

Looking at the boycotttheNME website - why have they decided to go for a slick top up professional approach: London Street Posters, when their website has no bottom up substance/ content?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Becos hyuk hyuk we dudes got a short attention span and we dont nede no art indulgent bullshit words just tell us if its KICKIN or BUSTIN

R E Tard, Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

and now Doomie confirms the branding scam.

Who is the moronic brain behind this campaign: Steve Sutherland?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, this is making me paranoid now. What if SleepingwiththeNME and Alb10n f1c were both secretly started by NME guerilla street teams? Oh no!

(I suppose it doesn't matter as both those sites are better than the real thing.)

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Hold up though.

From that site:

But there are other unpleasant goings on at King's Reach Towers beyond the insidious ideological connotations of the music they push. IPC freelancers (IPC being the media company which owns NME) are now forced to sign exclusivity contracts which mean they have to turn over interview tapes to the editors, meaning they cannot make use of any unused material on those tapes, even though they are only paid for the words that are printed. As many freelancers rely on unused material from interview tapes to build other pieces, this new policy means that writers must essentially pledge unwavering allegiance to NME's overriding aesthetic and ethos because they are hamstrung when it comes to attempting to write for anywhere else. This also means that the school of writers, and therefore opinions, at NME becomes ever-narrower. That the current crop of writers is also made up of young men barely out of the demographic they are so single-mindedly catering for means that whole seas of musical interest and history are alien to the regular staff. A cursory glance through any media supplements, databases and journals will reveal that NME consider their demographic to be 19 year old male students, that circulation has sat comfortably but not impressively at approximately 76,000 for a year or more now. But increasing circulation isn't a problem when income comes as much from the ephemera sold around the music (t-shirts, bags, classifieds, posters, badges, hats etcetera) as it does from retail and advertising revenue. And while advertisers may not be won over by generous and burgeoning sales figures, they are easily convinced of the degree of influence that NME now exerts over its readership.

If that's sophisticated marketing, umm, I can't come up with a punchline...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:29 (twenty-one years ago)

it's street. they do the posters campaign and website. they generate a small medium of controversy and get people talking about the nme. i would say respect ... but ikea came there first.

doomie x, Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The second half of that piece is very subtle demographic marketing indeed.

Somewhat reminiscent of that restaurant in Brighton where it says in the window: "The lowest paid staff in town! We pass the savings on to YOU!"

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i remember IKEA's 'Don't buy our shitty makeshift products!' TV campaign well

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

It is rather difficult to take Phill Jupitus as an "elite designer."

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, where in Brighton is that?

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, the site can't be working, I haven't bought a copy for years now.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

We had a copy in the tourvan this week. Like I frequently say, it's great if you just look at the pictures.

(Oh, BTW, I just linked this story, so if we get inundated by irate slashers, I apologise, it's my fault.)

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, the site can't be working, I haven't bought a copy for years now.

Haha! Nail/head

DJ Mencap0))), Thursday, 21 October 2004 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Right, I've calmed down now. I'm feeling a little stupid for not guessing earlier. All that stuff about "street teams" , a "campaign". "agendas". It's all marketing talk. SHould have guessed straight away.

Wankers

Dave Reeves, Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

and now Doomie confirms the branding scam

"confirms"? er ...

i'm really intrigued by this; because i'm a conspiracy theorist, i desperately want this "it's a scam by IPC" notion to be true. but, looking at that website ... i'm not sure. why would they go so far as to slag off their own tape-keeping policy, for instance?

and nobody seems to actually have any hard evidence. at least, they've not posted it here. so far it's a friend of the original poster saying something, and doomie saying: "i wondered when someone was going to lift the lid." doomie: does that mean you've known about this for ages and have evidence, or are you just saying that the existence of this thread helps validate a personal theory?

i'm not meaning to be inflammatory here: i'm genuinely interested in this. and, living in glasgow, i was totally unaware of this "campaign" until i read this thread.

answers! gimme FACTS!

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Also on that website: they want information on alternatives to the NME

http://www.boycottthenme.com/default.aspx?section=page&contentID=3

This could be a competitive intelligence/ market research strategy to gather information on the perceived consumer alternatives.

If this is a scam: the agency/IPC could use it analyse how the NME can improve to meet these needs, and increase their circulation.

There is something about the boycott website that is just not right, including:

a: using the NME logo [that logo is copyright protected]
b: no messageboard.
c: the copywriting style is far too slick.
d: secrecy of who is behind it.

A more natural anti-NME website would have taken the form of the Anti-Capital Xfm website back in 1998, which included a guestbook/ message board format as it's main protesting device.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

ok: i've just e-mailed them to ask who they are/why the secrecy/are they aware that a small but significant number of ILM posters are convinced they're, er, the NME doing a crappy piece of guerrilla marketing?

and i've pointed out that if i don't get a reply, it'll certainly help convince me that they are :)

if they do reply ... well, we'll wait and see what they say before we start analysing it.

i shall, of course, keep you all informed!

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

please do - i'm confused because i agree with virtually everything the "internet journalist" says - which is why my purchases of the nme became increasingly rare and then, frankly, just stopped. i still think the slagging off of their readership and bands is a pretty subtle ploy...

gerardo francisco, Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

DJ is spot on if you ask me.

all points are exactly why i go with the theory being proposed. tis all too slick. and the complete lack of identity, despite the 'I loved the NME when etc etc' .. anyone Real doing this would be more open.

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

But besides being "clever" what is the point of this campaign ? just to raise "awareness" of the nme brand but acknowledging that those of us who have deserted the nme in their droves will never come back ?

The campaign posters at Waterloo station are amazingly amateurish, in which case I guess the ad agency involved must be oh so proud of themselves.

btw mark was that your letter in HHC ?

gerardo francisco, Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

it's definitely a merketing scam, by the looks of the site.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

for what it's worth, i haven't bought the nme since, what, 1994? when i was 19.

i've read it a few times since and every time i've boggled at its awfulness ... but i've always thought that might just have been me getting old. i mean, the stuff *i* loved (collins and maconie, ian mccann, david quantick) is reviled by many people who stopped reading in the eighties ... and so on.

i sat at the next table to a bunch of nme types, including the editor, at an awards dinner the other month. funny: i kept thinking how my 17-year-old self would have been beyond excited by such a prospect. as it was, i probably couldn't have given much less of a fuck. i was more concerned about how much booze i could get away with drinking on expenses.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

can one of you londoners take a picture of a poster and stick it up here? i'm intrigued to see what they look like. is the logo big and prominent, f'rinstance?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

no, there is no logo or anything like that. the posters at waterloo look literally like they have been scrawled by a couple of 12 year olds, just saying "boycott the nme" in rushed writing on a pale blue background, almost as if they were just graffitti on an empty poster site.

but i suspect the poster space is still sufficiently expensive that ipc magazines would be a better bet for placing them than some random music fans... sigh...

gerardo francisco, Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

woah, hang on. they're using proper poster space? not just flyposting?

fuck it, that *has* to be IPC, then. those things are ex-pen-sive. and if they're doing it illegally, surely the posters would have been taken down (and the people posting them prosecuted) within the day, no?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

its not the huge posters, but the sort of, i dont know, 5 foot high ones. i initially thought it was just graffitti, but the 2 posters i see have survived the last 2 weeks of my commute (i get the waterloo and city line every day)... they have no other inf i dont think, save the website address...

gerardo francisco, Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Conor Nicholls, yesterday:

http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/the_characters/images/icon_the_boss.gif

Chairman ROFLMAO (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe the NME have realized they have static sales over the past 2/ years i.e around 72, 000 - a question from a brand manager perspective: how can the circulation increase? have we alienated too many 20somethings ex NME readers?

Rather than soliciting their existing readership for market research purposes - they are extending their research to find out why people are not buying the NME.

To do this a creative campaign was instigated as a honey trap to find out what are the perceived alternatives to the NME? Then from understanding these needs to incorporate them in the NME.

To conduct this type of extended market research [beyond the current readership] is difficult - hence this campaign.

The posters are just a decoy? for the real intent behind the campaign is to better understand why aren't more people buying the NME - and what are their music interests/ current music info sources.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

That makes it clearer - I think I'm getting too old for modern marketing methods!

But the irony is thatI think the reasons we are not buying the NME are summed up succinctly and precisely on the boycottthenme.com website. All they have to do (well, to have a hope) is exactly what that article already suggests, i.e. return to a wider range of music, wider range of staff, less fashion-lifestyle-ringtone nonsense. They seem to be acknowledging that...

gerardo francisco, Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

we should all email NME and let them know we're onto them, and bush.

Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

They could be testing a theory by researching if that hypothesis matches the responses.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

That site also uses a pretty complex CMS to serve the pages instead of it just being static .html or something 'off the shelf' like using blogger or movabletype. But if it was just being put on by IPC, wouldn't they have mentioned it in the magazine by now?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 21 October 2004 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I was sent the link a couple of weeks ago from someone who thought it was true, and I believed the same thing. Looking at it now, it's got to be by IPC. I haven't seen the posters, but I imagine anyone putting posters up in London stations would have made more than two posts to their site! Especially as pointed out in James' post above, they've gone to the great trouble of coding (or paying for) their own CMS, as no credit is given to the author. I'm surprised IPC didn't think of using Blogger as a much cheaper option though.

Patrick Allan (adr), Friday, 22 October 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

btw mark was that your letter in HHC ?

not seen new issue. hope to do so today .. heard Akira is in it - and now some crappy words by yours truly.

tis almost too much excitement for one day.

mark e (mark e), Friday, 22 October 2004 06:42 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, there only seems to be one person left who thinks that the website is not an IPC scam. (me)

I haven't seen advertising hoardings, so I pass, but am more believing that that is 'ironic marketing'.

The anti-prose regarding the ringtones and/or the reporter demographic and the circulation count seems to indicate against. The only thing 'for' is the logo, which may be 'copyright' but under the freedom of speech rules, that use would be allowed.

Does anybody really think that the NME would drop the ringtones/downloads promotions, even if the 'survey' showed 90% of potential readers were against it?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 22 October 2004 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I looked at the meta tags for the website the name description tag has this:

Boycott the NME, New Musical Express in favour of online magazines.

strange use of words !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Such as nme.com, for instance?

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 October 2004 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

FYI: no reply yet to my e-mail.

there is something spectacularly fishy about this.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

So now we're saying this is an online campaign to convert people from buying the magazine to subscribing to a pay version of the NME website because they're looking at closing down the print version of the magazine?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

R-e-a-l-l-y ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Gribowitz (Lynskey), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

You may well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 October 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

also grabbed from google

boycott the nme.com
... Boycott The NME. Don't write in and feed their need for faux-controversy. Object
in the easiest and most effective way possible - do not buy the NME. ...
www.boycottthenme.com/ - 4k -

look at the strange meta tag title, also seen at the top of the page when you view the website, why add .com [the website] when your against the magazine.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

this gets more fascinating by the minute

.. what with this and the Alexis, ET threads ILM is captivating stuff today ..

mark e (mark e), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, if they were trying to persuade people to stop buying the print NME so they could have a convenient economic excuse for not publishing it anymore and going strictly online...well, it's all just coincidence, innit?

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 October 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

...in the full knowledge that long-term music fans who care about the HISTORY of pop and rock can turn to a certain other magazine published by the same publishers to cater to that particular demographic...

it's all coincidence, Friday, 22 October 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus analyses the NME on another ILM thread this weeek, but has added it to his blog with reader comments

Momus attacks the NME of 2004: [aesthetics, design, philosophy, content, and lack of aspiration for music etc]
http://www.livejournal.com/users/imomus/56044.html

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

.. thereby consigning NME to a Logo on Specials compiling historical articles ??

etc etc ..

mark e (mark e), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

the nme has long since ceased to have any cultural value. it used to be a totem for youth; now it's a fucking lifestyle magazine for teenagers. momus is wasting his time analysing it; to be honest, and we're wasting our time worrying about it. if they take it online only: wooo, big deal. it'll still blow goats.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

some friday fun:

Maybe this NME closes down ! and Uncut becomes the flagship IPC music title

Uncut ditches: films
Adds in more electronic music ala Muzik
Takes on a more contemporary cutting edge agenda of Melody Maker [pre Mark Sutherland]

Remember Uncut now has a larger issue readership than the NME.

In a ideal world Uncut renames itself Melody Maker ! and NME can f-off

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

But.. but... but... the pictures are the best bit about the NME! It's great so long as you don't bother reading the articles! It's like Hollyoaks but with leather jackets and better drugs! I love it exactly the way it is now!

Oh wait, you actually care about music or art or something? Oh, I gave up on that years ago.

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

DJ Martian, do you think I've been made Music Editor of Uncut or something?

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 October 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

kate wants IPC to launch an inverse Nuts/ Zoo for Women: focused on skinny drone rock boys topless

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, no Marcello but it would benefit Allan Jones if he saw this thread !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

But... but.. they don't have to bother with that! That's already what the NME is RIGHT NOW!!! Did you see that article with topless Pete Libertine on it? Articles about how to be a groupie? FAN FICTION?!?!?!

The future is now!

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the answer is to raise the finances for a management buyout of The Wire - put Sinker back in as editor, keep Wingco at Reviews but bring in Morley and Penman as deputy editors.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 October 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread would have turned out a lot better if the ChiX0rs from SleepingWithTheNME had actually come and posted on it. Sigh.

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

This is one of the best threads on ILM in ages.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 October 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

All it's really proved to me is that fan fiction is better, more interesting, more honest, both about intent and motivation, and generally better written than music criticism. But then again, I already knew that.

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Friday, 22 October 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Come to think of it, I don't really know why I keep reading these thread. I guess I just like winding myself up.

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Friday, 22 October 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't really know why you keep posting to threads in which you profess not to be interested.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 October 2004 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

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sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

website NOT even registered in the UK !

launched September 15th, a few? days after the worst ever NME issue [that 1001 facts rubbish]

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.thisisfakediy.co.uk/view.php?id=1467

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

er, yes. the lack of ownership details was mentioned upthread, wasn't it?

that's what this lot do: http://www.domainsbyproxy.com/

given the site is anonymous, it's hardly surprising the registration information is anonymous too - no matter who's behind it.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck, sorry. meant to x-post that last comment. sorry.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

strangely enough i have heard rumours of who is behind it, and if they're true, it's not at all a scam.

it all confuses me rather. if you don't like the NME you don't buy it anyway. It still has it's place for a certain group. I still like it, but I wouldn't rely on it to get ALL my musical information from - I just like big pictures.

trailerpark, Friday, 22 October 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

who is behind it then? spill the beans/ rumours

a: artrocker
b: Drowned in Sound
c: EMAP
d: Felix Dennis [Blender] to launch a UK magazine
e: someone else

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 22 October 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22boycott+the+nme%22+embrace&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&filter=0

well, a certain boring rock band that's fer sure.

ah hmmm, Friday, 22 October 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet it was the hair jokes that fueled their fire...

molly, Friday, 22 October 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

if anyone still cares (this thread was *sooo* thursday), i've still not had a reply to my politely inquisitive e-mail.

whoever's behind it, they're up to something suspect.

mind you: who isn't?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 23 October 2004 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

It's e).

Our politics and personal lives aren't important and that's why we're "secret". The logo copyright isn't an issue until someone threatens to sue. Until then it stays. And who says that those poster boards were paid for?

Thanks for the compliments on the writing style though. And it's nice that you all think it's slick.

You're all cynical fuckers, aren't you?

Boycott The NME., Monday, 25 October 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

any plans for www.continueignoringpitchfork.com?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 25 October 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Also check out our sister site, www.boycottcatfancier.com

Boycott The NME (Dom Passantino), Monday, 25 October 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been boycotting Horse and Hound ever since I was a boy in my cott.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 25 October 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

http://imagebank.ipcmedia.com/imageBank/cache/h/hhcov21oct_e_d8a7096b1d7b07f04c5ff18e6d71f974.jpg

Momus (Momus), Monday, 25 October 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

http://images.horseandhound.co.uk/title_whatsinhorse.gif

JUST SAY NO!

Momus (Momus), Monday, 25 October 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, it's a cover for drugs, isn't it? What other explanation is there for features as cosmically pointless as:

What to do if your horse has diarrhoea – when does it become an emergency?

I mean, even I could answer that question, and I don't even have a horse. It becomes an emergency at around three feet.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 25 October 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't mind dogs, but my loathing for horses is overwhelming, so usually I cut the horse pictures out of Horse and Hound and destroy them, or just cover them up with my palm.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 25 October 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate horses too; one ran over my head when I was a kid.

Mind you, I like "Heavy Horses" by Jethro Tull.

Keith Watson (kmw), Monday, 25 October 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

hey everyone! i got a rep ... oh, i see they've been here themselves.

this is what they wrote:

It's not a scam. The reason we're not interested in saying who we are is because we aren't interested in people digging into our politics. Just like the personal lives of those at the NME are of no relevance to their output.

We're putting posters up in London about this campaign. We're writing
articles damning the NME. And the site is hardly the epitome of
corporate hell, is it? No adverts in site. So just keep an eye on what
we're doing and see how it pans out. We're not lying, we're not a covert marketing front. The proof will be in our actions.

Boycott The NME.

which is kinda ... unnecessarily snippy, given i was quite polite. for me.

i might start buying the NME again, just to fuck them off :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 25 October 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

fucking hell, i made an arse of the formatting there, didn't i?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 25 October 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Too right! Call yourself a journalist!

Keith Watson (kmw), Monday, 25 October 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

which is kinda ... unnecessarily snippy, given i was quite polite. for me.

Didn't read 'snippy' to me, read 'fair enough' to me.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 06:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, maybe I'll subscribe now...

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

And put in a few adverts.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't read 'snippy' to me, read 'fair enough' to me.

yeh, you're right, actually. it didn't look as snippy once i'd posted it here. still, they called us all "cynical fuckers" above, so i'm not gonna lose too much sleep.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I do love a good conspiracy theory. Did we decide who it is yet?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Clearly the Illuminati. And the Freemasons. And the Priory of Libertines, all working in conjunction!

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i.e. it's Bill Drummond.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn, I didn't even think of that. Found out at last!

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought it was a dreary nonsense thing that was funded by Embrace and the guy who wrote the spiel was N1ck South4ll.

Camden Slut, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Was it?

Or was it - writers??? ?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

camden slut might just have the most convincing theory yet, all things considered.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

for what it's worth, the 6' by 3'posters at waterloo station which i'd quite enjoyed for the last month or so - "boycott the nme - it sucks!" etc, have now been taken down....

gerardo francisco, Saturday, 6 November 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...
I've just re-read this thread an almost died laughing, btw. It was me and a couple of mates, if anyone still cares, when we were bored.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

so.... you work for IPC????

N_RQ, Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

(xpost)

yes...but WAS it?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

I certainly don't work for IPC!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

.. and I bet you bought it anyway..

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

I've not bought a copy of NME since February 2002.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

and the point was?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure there was (or needed to be) one. We were vaguelly bored and irritated with the NME - my mate who's a web designer with loads of free space designed the site and I had an old rant I'd written about NME which I spent an hour jigging for him, and he got a mate of his to stick up some posters in London on his way to work.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

heh. why not? you're right, there never needs to be any point. i just wondered, that was all. apologies for accusing you of being snippy, too :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

the point was surely: a public smackdown on the nme for being shit. what more point do you need?

N_RQ, Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

yes, but given the myriad conspiracy theories we concocted, i just hoped there might have been some hidden meaning too. ah well.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

Watching you all go "it's a double-psychological trick reversal marketing scheme by Saatchi & Saatchi to make everyone pay a subscription for nme.com instead of buying the paper!" was just too funny for fucking words.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

.. especially because they all wanted to believe it was...

(xcept me)

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 12 May 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

its funnier because i know work with the guy who did that, i believe (the connections are there). and have referred him for tonnes of work. small world.

doomie x, Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

what can i say? the web designer is a super talented guy.

doomie x, Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

no offence to anyone, but it's not the most, erm, elaborate work of web design ever... surely? are the posters online at all?

N_Rq, Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

x-post to nick: yes, but isn't it interesting that from the very first post, that was what we expected? cynical times. that's what living in a rampant market economy does to your soul.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

nah, he didn't get referred on the back of that. but something else. he's really fucking good. in fact, i get emails asking me who was the webdesigner on the thing that he did.

ps. the guy who did the very first post was winding you lot up and i'll admit, i followed him (i was camden slut) and ditched it when i got bored.

doomie x, Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i didn't think first guy *really* thought it was ipc, though a lot of people following him did. you'd have to be seriously paranoid to belive the nme would bother.

N_RQ, Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

This reminds me of that programme everyone liked, where they said things like 'dot cock' instead of 'dot com'.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

it was very nathan barley, wasnt it?

doomie x, Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i didn't think first guy *really* thought it was ipc, though a lot of people following him did. you'd have to be seriously paranoid to belive the nme would bother.

hmmmmmmmm. looking back at the thread: the majority of us were unconvinced. my line was "i'm a conspiracy theorist and i'd love this to be true, but it looks half-assed" ... and hey, i feel vindicated :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Um, Doomie, the webdesigner on the Boycott site lives in Middlesborough (well, just outside it). Whoever you're working with who you think was involved, really wasn't.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 13 May 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)

heh. why not? you're right, there never needs to be any point. i just wondered, that was all. apologies for accusing you of being snippy, too :)

-- grimly fiendish (simonmai...), May 12th, 2005 3:39 PM.

And it wasn't me being snippy - it was Colin (webdesigner). He's incredibly rude, actually. Probably cos he spends all his time fiddling with computers rather than gurlz. I suggested the idea and wrote the blurb, he did everything else apart from the posters, which was his mate in London.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 13 May 2005 08:26 (twenty years ago)

Couldn't you have put this energy into creating a proper online music mag to counter the bad influence of NME, oh wait...

$V£N! (blueski), Friday, 13 May 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

I love you, $V£N.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 13 May 2005 08:41 (twenty years ago)

This is assuming Mr Southall was involved with this business at all, of which I am NOT YET CONVINCED.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 13 May 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

Why not, Marcello?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 13 May 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

It's a DOUBLE BLUFF. I want pictorial proof. Didn't you take any "happy slapping"-style footage of you posting the posters?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 13 May 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

No, cos I was in Devon - I only wrote the copy. Email en route.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 13 May 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

I wish I had enough time on my hands to waste on such ventures.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 13 May 2005 09:07 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure you could find a spare hour in your busy schedule, that's all my contribution amounted to. I dunno how long Colin put in but I doubt it was that long.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 13 May 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)

This was probably the thread that tempted me most to post in my entire holiday from the boards. I am glad the truth has been revealed: good work Nick. I can't remember what I was going to post, "!!!!! marketing doesn't actually work that way WTF" to DJ Martian probably, but of course I would say that now.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 13 May 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

*Middlesbrough*

Yes, Nathan Barley. That's the one.

Marvellous jape.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 13 May 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)

I'm the webdesigner guy. It was all rather fun, especially when people started thinking I worked for the NME. I got a *lot* of e-mails about this, there was real interest. I'm rather annoyed with myself that I didn't have time to follow it through.

"elaborate work of web design ever... surely?"

It wasn't supposed to be. I didn't have time to come up with anything flashy so I settled for good looking minimalism. Setting up the whole thing (including all the techie stuff) probably took half a day.

hot.air.balloo came closest to finding us out. By looking up the domain name details he came up with the address of the site's nameservers. From there it's possible to find out which company I work for. You could have phoned us up and asked me if I worked for IPC or not.

And Southall - I've moved! I live near Newcastle now, which is a step up from Boro in anyone's books. Much better location to be incredibly rude from.

Bye!

Colin R, Friday, 13 May 2005 10:07 (twenty years ago)

Phew, I'm glad I just used this thread to make silly jokes, then, like "When does your horse's diahorrea become an emergency? At around three feet."

Momus (Momus), Friday, 13 May 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)

colin -- no offense like, i dig the site, i just though doomie was overegging it on the 'most bidonkulously amazing design ever' thing.

N_RQ, Friday, 13 May 2005 11:11 (twenty years ago)

err, follow through, i said it was not on the back of the above site. and i've got the wrong guy anyways, totally wrong guy.

ps. i sent you those emails colin just as a laugh from different accounts.

doomie x, Friday, 13 May 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

I think I have just pissed my pants - cheers for the biggest laugh of the day, Doomie!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 13 May 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

their readers ARE thick! kasabian on the cover??? h ahaha

breezy, Friday, 13 May 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

eleven months pass...
This thread brings back bizarre memories. I'd totally forgotten this.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 28 April 2006 07:16 (nineteen years ago)


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