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more polished 'white america'/'we as americans'. starts out with the pledge of allegiance, then war sounds that morph into a sharp floating guitar line, weighted by the classic eminem plodding piano progression. classic em boom, chk drums plod through the entire song (they never get boring). strong chorus,

come along / follow me / as i lead / though the darkness / 's i provide / just enough spark / that we need / to proceed / carry on / give me hope / give me strength / come with me / and i won't / steer you wrong / putch'er faith / an' your trust / as i got us thru the fog / to the light / at the end / 'a the tunnel / we gon' fight / we gon' charge / we gon' stomp / we gon' march / thru the swamp / we gon' mosh / thru the ma(r)sh / take us right / thru the doors / come on.

the first verse has a weird mystical reference and a TI shoutout. rest of the verses are poetic political ranting, and that might lead you to say, this is corny, but he might have a calculated position (or at least one shared by a lot of people who might finally vote in this election). i hope he carries it thru in encore.

― p$, Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

'white america' spoken-word outro where the drums drop out to reveal the soldier footsteps, and the instrument-voices drop out to the classic em humming. then hailie says, "do you guys hear us? ahahaha!"

― p$, Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

How goth-metal is it? (I'm not kidding.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

4/10 if david banner is 6.5/10

― p$, Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, noted.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm coming to terms with that i like only goth-metal rap, even though it hasn't been created yet.

― p$, Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

still waiting for those 20,000 other white rappers to emerge

― p$, Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

the album drops in late 2005!!

― p$, Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm coming to terms with that i like only goth-metal rap, even though it hasn't been created yet.

It's definitely in process at least. Wu Tang meets Sisters of Mercy meets who knows what.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

more like goth-DUB-metal rap.

― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

>goth-metal rap

If only Witchman had hooked up with some New York MCs...

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

late 2005??

― m. (mitchlnw), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

is there a site that has this posted?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard "Mosh" yesterday. I liked it, but I have to say it remind me a little bit of RATM.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

*skeeved*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't get the RATM comparison....it's much more horror movie goth soundtrack stuff...man Em is PISSED....it's pretty fucking gripping....nice to see this kinda stuff out there by a high profile artist...

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

it has a touch of ratm-corniness

― p$, Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

It's WAS over at 'so many shrimp', which is where I got my copy.
Again, the beat AND the rhyming is pretty weak but the ANGER is enjoyable.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

forks, you've been talking shit abt em's skill on the just lose it thread too. that's unacceptable, mainly bcs he is an amazing mc even if he gets corny.

and the beat isn't bad, his production style is just getting overplayed/sounds weak next to the south and jus blaze, but you have to understand, em rhymes best to his own beats bcs he's so tight with them.

― p$, Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

the anger is the corny part

― p$, Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

no, i take that back. the corny part is the "message"

― p$, Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm talking shit about em's skills because NEITHER of these songs represent the quality I'm used to outta him. Radio and mix-tape material that I've heard tends to be MUCH better. My beef is that he's flooding the net with pre-release crap when the album itself is likely to have the strongest material. It's hardly a beef; it's more like warning new listeners not to believe the hype: son can do better than this.
For the record, I like Em a LOT when he's truly on.
Yes this is corny but it's also a pretty weak beat. Em, I'm afraid, is taking the Prince route of believing just what you're saying: that he's entirely self contained. Em sounds best over his own beats? Not buying that. I'd MUCH rather see him work with other producers. His own stuff seems so limited and base to me. I have no issues with half the album but him producing the whole album seems a bit self-indulgent.
The "message" IS corny and a strange mix of naive and would-be-anarchist. The anger, again, seems real and makes this worthwhile to me.
I don't know if I've heard a single white artist say "Fuck Bush" on tape yet. Is Em the first? Did it really take four years?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

And gothmetal rap: I would suggest Banner is 8 of 10 and Em is right around that 4 on this track.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Strong recommendation in favor of the Eminem Green Lantern Invasion Mix Tape for those curious to see if I'm talking out my ass.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm sure there's some minor league punk band that's said fuck bush and we just never heard about it....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Just the one?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the idea of a Banner Scale for evaluating music (just rap?).

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the idea of a Banner scale for ALL music.
1 Banner = 1 Lil Jon
.7 Banner = 1 Justin Timberlake
37 Banners = 1 David Boyle

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it could work like that - I was thinking that on the Banner Scale, 5 = the goodness of Banner, above 5 means better, and below 5 means worse.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that would be the "Banner Scale"; if you wanted to use it as a NOUN though...

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

forks, there's so much more room over banner in terms of goth metal rap. no way he gets an eight. it's just an unexplored genre.

― p$, Friday, 22 October 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess I'm thinking of gothmetalrap as more punk than darkcore.

And who is more punk than D. Banner?

"Whores! Mongers! Whores! Mongers!"
"Check this shit out! On everything, I wanna tell ya'll niggers somethin': I ain't BENDIN' for your motherfuckin' money, nigger. You can keep your money, BITCH! Know what I'm talking 'bout: I'm gonna stand like a motherfuckin' man, nigger. Give a fuck about your motherfuckin' money, nigger; tryin' to give me ten gs, nigger? Look nigger: shit, I'm a motherfuckin' seventy, eighty THOUSAND dollar nigger, motherfucker! Get your motherfuckin' weight up; get your money right bitch 'fore you talk to me, nigger! It's about your fucking soul, old whore-ass bitch! I'm a man 'fore I'm a motherfuckin' rapper; fuck you AND your money! You old whore ass... fuck ass... dicksuckin ass... hide behind your GOLD and PLATINUM ass... motherfuckin'... weak... OOOOH, you sonuvabitches! UNNGH!"
"Whore."
"Whore. Monger. Whoremonger."
"Mississippi FUCK, boy!"

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 22 October 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

for maximum effect, imagine the above performed by Morrissey.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I AM LEGION": or Making the Contradiction the Hook

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

wow i just heard this! I thought it was kinda lol when he wedged in the "no more blood for oil" bit, but at the same time i think this is pretty arresting stuff. mark's pretty on-point; it doesn't seem to collude into something with real impetus, but there's something very primal at work here that could've been fleshed out. i think.

"First Punk President" is great btw, i'm totally gonna steal that :(!

― \(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Friday, 22 October 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

hey, the little RS blurb - http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/6583259/eminem?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single1&rnd=1098414250913&has-player=unknown - says dre produced it. is this right??

― \(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Friday, 22 October 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Those lyrics sound totally dmx to me...

― Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 22 October 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

dmx=forgotten hero of goth rap - he even did a record with Marilyn Manson ffs

― Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 22 October 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

is there a site that has this posted?

www.dashadyspot.com

tell yr michigan/wisconsin/ohio friends

― a lurker, Saturday, 23 October 2004 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a feeling MTV is not going to show this, so here's the video in Quicktime:

http://www.gnn.tv/videos/video.php?id=27

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

em's lucky that video is so effectively dramatic (I'm not sure I approve of every element but it IS gripping and if it gets a lot of attention it could be pretty controversial), cuz without it that track is a whole new unrewarding level of turgid for him.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

not his best track, but it hardly matters. that video is amazing.

― (Jon L), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

jesus, I wonder if it occurs to him that it would help him get his message across better if he at least pumped up the BPM and put some hi-hats in there. that's the most plodding Eminem song I've ever heard, which is really saying something. the video's cool even though the animation reminds me of that horrible Chronic Future video that was on MTV a lot over the summer. and the animated Lloyd Banks is hilarious.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

ok I thought that was Lloyd Banks. I have to admit that everytime his character was around I kept noticing homoerotic elements. He's put on his knees! And gets revenge by HOSING DOWN the cops later!

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone have this video? The gnn site is overloaded, thanks to Salon, and nobody has a decent torrent going...

― schwantz, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

How the fuck is David Banner "goth-rap"??? This website gets more clueless by the minute.

― se15, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

iFilm has it: http://www.ifilm.com/viralvideo?ifilmid=2651125

― schwantz, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

they're premiering it on TRL right now.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

sweet. though i'm curious what they'll edit out (at the very least a mouth saying "fuck bush" ain't gonna fly).

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I only caught the end of it but it looked pretty much the same as the web version aside from the curses.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

2nd funniest thing about the video (after the toon Banks): at the end when all the hoodie-wearing masses are standing with their round little cartoon hands in front of their chests and they kind of look like boobies.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i haven't seen a TRL episode in ages but what was the reaction to it? Did people go "woo!" or sit in solemn reverence or what?

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

was it a very special TRL?

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

like I said, I didn't see the beginning, but at the end the VJ (Damien) just made some generic respectful comments the 'message' or something and then they moved along to the #1 of the day ("Just Lose It").

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

the VJ is named Damien?! Apt! Awesome. I'm really glad this got shown. The people who made that video did a terrific job making something powerful and disturbing out that track and I'm glad it got out there.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

taking sides: "Mosh" vs. "Shoot the Dog"

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I just saw it on MTV2's hip-hop show, immediately followed by an MTV News clip about the video that showed several long excerpts of the most pointed parts of the video. Plus he's gonna be on SNL this weekend. The song itself doesn't do much for me -- I'm so not excited about this album -- but still, I respect the effort all the way around. I can't think of a precedent for it, really, the biggest pop star in America coming out so harshly political the week before an election.

(dang, MTV2 just showed it again in the time it took me to write that)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

ok I thought that was Lloyd Banks. I have to admit that everytime his character was around I kept noticing homoerotic elements. He's put on his knees!

I think this part is referring to the NYC cops who sodomized a black immigrant. The character's down on his knees, the camera pans down to center on his ass, quick switch to cops approaching banging their nightsticks (the NYC cops' tool of choice in this case), and all this right after the line with the word "ass" in it.

― W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

How the fuck is David Banner "goth-rap"???

banner like poe!@

― P$, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

metal beats and dark verses

― P$, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

but as genres are, it's improper nomenclature

― P$, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

alas

― P$, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

you're sick, will

― p$, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Flow reminds me of Thirstin Howl stagger style, it's ok

― LeCoq (LeCoq), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't think of a precedent for it, really, the biggest pop star in America coming out so harshly political the week before an election.

That's exactly it. This is like Elvis Presley releasing an explicitly anti-Eisenhower single in 1956 or Bob Dylan releasing an anti-Nixon single in 1968. 'Fuck Bush!' 'No more blood for oil!' 'Kerry on, give me hope!' Completely brilliant, and might change the world.

― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

If someone could gmail me an MP3 of this I'd be massively, massively grateful.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 08:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's the video.

― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 08:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't watch that at work, I'm afraid. I'll have to try it again when I get home. Thanks anyway, Momus.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 08:20 (twenty-one years ago)

this isnt a great song. white america was much more effective and energetic and thus felt more like a call to arms. the beat is plodding but not as robotic as his usual beats. the rapping is kinda drawling, i think that was his intention though, to sound as weary as possible. not sure if it works though.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm all for the sentiment but this is really pretty painful to listen to. the song *sounds* stuck in a mosh pit.

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 10:03 (twenty-one years ago)

it makes me want to go and vote just so em would be quiet though.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the shuffling, more organic beat is meant to evoke a great mass of people walking towards voting booths.

― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Just heard this (well, saw the video), and I hate to say it -- but I actually dig it (I'm sure that'll ruin it for some people).

Generally speaking, though, one wouldn't "mosh" to something as slow paced as this. Just fyi.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think the message and/or the anger is corny at all. If anything it's refreshing to hear an angry hip hop track about something other than insular matters (i.e. "haterz be frontin'" or whatever). I'd say the current political climate is plenty to get fuckin' angry at.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I was disappointed in the song when I first heard it, for the obvious reasons -- plodding, exhausted-sounding rhymes, etc. But with the video, it's fucking great. Watch it back to back with the White America video and then tell me which is more compelling. And all of the stopped clocks in the world must be set to right now, because on further reflection Momus's reading of the beat is 100% OTM.

― Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anybody gotten a copy of the whole album yet?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Scott Pl has a lengthy review of "Mosh" on Pitchfork today -- probably the longest review of a single they've run.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Those lyrics sound totally dmx to me...

and it would be a much better track if dmx was doing the rapping. but for the reasons momus stated above -- even though i think he's overstating them -- it's probably more pop-culturally effective with eminem as the rapper.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Strong recommendation in favor of the Eminem Green Lantern Invasion Mix Tape

That's just good advice period.

― Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

little kids at the beginning recall little kids singing national anthem in "up all night" by slaughter. song drags drags drags plods plods plods after that, one of the most leadfooted things the guy ever did, but i respect the sediments regardless o'course. did not see video yet. will soon. i bet i like it more than the song.

― elrod hendrix, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Corny, eh? Jesus. You people do not get it, do you? Momus and others above completely utterly wholy OTM.

Plodding?!? It's Martial! It's mightily combative.

You people who are like "eh, boring/weak/more hi-hat/whatever are completely missing the point, which he knows you will when he says "let me simplify the rhyme to amplify the noise." Not the noise of the track, the noise of the message.

This is a fucking BOMB dropped *ONE*WEEK*BEFORE*THE*ELECTION*! Getting the premiere treatment on MTV's after-school-special! I mean, c'mon!

― frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Whee.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i liked that line 'if it rains let it rain in fact the wetter the better' - just the usual flow-tech from Mathers - the way he rolls the line out like a red carpet for himself to walk on, but it made me smile. the track's okay but i long for something more maximalist production wise.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

video: hate the cheap looking Flash anim. style but like the rest

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

laibach or rammstein = martial; this song = boots stuck in the mud (so okay, a quagmire, maybe. and it's very possible to dislike the song itself yet be very very very happy that it exists now, frank e.)

― elrod hendrix, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

give sight to the blind, mind sight through the mind
I ostracize my right to express when I feel it's time

If you don't understand don't even bother to ask
A father who has grown up with a fatherless past

Who has had a few obstacles thrown his way through the last half
Of his career typical manure moving past that

All you can see is a sea of people, some white and some black
Don't matter what color, all that matters is we gathered together
To celebrate for the same cause, no matter the weather
If it rains let it rain, yea the wetter the better
They ain't gonna stop us, they can't, we're stronger now more then ever,
They tell us no we say yea, they tell us stop we say go,
Rebel with a rebel yell, raise hell we gonna let em know
Stomp, push up, mush, [censored] Bush, until they bring our troops home come on just . . .

Imagine it pouring, it's raining down on us,
Mosh pits outside the oval office
Someone's trying to tell us something, maybe this is God just saying
we're responsible for this monster, this coward, that we have empowered
This is Bin Laden, look at his head nodding,
How could we allow something like this, Without pumping our fist
Now this is our, final hour
Let me be the voice, and your strength, and your choice
Let me simplify the rhyme, just to amplify the noise
Try to amplify the times it, and multiply it by six
Teen million people are equal of this high pitch
Maybe we can reach Al Quaida through my speech
Let the President answer on high anarchy
Strap him with AK-47, let him go
Fight his own war, let him impress daddy that way
No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our soil
No more psychological warfare to trick us to think that we ain't loyal
If we don't serve our own country we're patronizing a hero
Look in his eyes, it's all lies, the stars and stripes
They've been swiped, washed out and wiped,
And Replaced with his own face, mosh now or die
If I get sniped tonight you'll know why, because I told you to fight

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

video: hate the cheap looking Flash anim. style but like the rest

Normally I'd agree -- and I think that's one of the things that made the "White America" video a dud -- but here I like the contrast between the hyper-real 3D animation, the photorealistic Eminem, and the simple McCloudian audience-ID style of the various characters. Also, there's a reason Flash animation looks like that -- it makes the files a lot smaller. Given that my mpeg of "Mosh" is 10MB smaller than my mpeg of "Just Lose It" despite 'Mosh' being a minute longer and looking crisper, I think it was a reasonable trade-off.

And speaking of all the stopped clocks in the world, that Pitchfork review was fantastic. Dogs and cats, living together!

― Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

holy shit, the video really *does* make the thing cohere! i'm quite moved, actually.

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

actually - this looks more accurate

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
And to the Republic for which it stands
One nation under God
Indivisible?E
It feels so good to be back..]

Scrutinize every word, memorize every line
I spit it once, refuel, reenergize, and rewind
I give sight to the blind, mind sight through the mind
I ostracize my right to express when I feel it's time
It's just all in your mind, what you interpret it as
I say to fight you take it as I’m gonna whip someone's ass
If you don't understand don't even bother to ask
A father who has grown up with a fatherless past
Who has blown up now to rap phenomenon that has
Or at least shows no difficulty multi task
And juggling both, perhaps mastered his craft slash
Entrepreneur who has held long too few more rap acts
Who has had a few obstacles thrown his way through the last half
Of his career typical manure moving past that
Mister kiss his ass crack, he's a class act
Rubber band man, yea he just snaps back

Come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness
As I provide just enough spark, that we need to proceed
Carry on, give me hope, give me strength,
Come with me, and I won't stear you wrong
Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog
Till the light, at the end, of the tunnel, we gonna fight,
We gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march through the swamp
We gonna mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors

To the people up top, on the side and the middle,
Come together, let's all bomb and swamp just a little
Just let it gradually build, from the front to the back
All you can see is a sea of people, some white and some black
Don't matter what color, all that matters is we gathered together
To celebrate for the same cause, no matter the weather
If it rains let it rain, yea the wetter the better
They ain't gonna stop us, they can't, we're stronger now more then ever,
They tell us no we say yea, they tell us stop we say go,
Rebel with a rebel yell, raise hell we gonna let em know
Stomp, push up, mush, fuck Bush, until they bring our troops home come on just . . .

So come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness
As I provide just enough spark, that we need to proceed
Carry on, give me hope, give me strength,
Come with me, and I won't stear you wrong
Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog
Till the light, at the end, of the tunnel, we gonna fight,
We gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march through the swamp
We gonna mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors

And as we proceed, to mosh through this desert storm, in these closing statements, if they should argue, let us beg to differ, as we set aside our differences, and assemble our own army, to disarm this weapon of mass destruction that we call our president, for the present, and mosh for the future of our next generation, to speak and be heard, Mr. President, Mr. Senator

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

simple McCloudian audience-ID style of the various characters

I don't know what that means, but I was disappointed that the mass of moshers are all dressed in camo and moving similary (except for the one dude -- not sure what role he plays -- is he also the soldier? I can't remember). I would have liked to have seen more individual-looking extras.

Camo = nod to violent revolution? Or = we are all one even though are skin looks different? Or = we are all Em's foot soldiers: "Come with me, and I won't stear you wrong /
Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog" (Put them in what?).

― W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

are = OUR. argh.

― W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I was disappointed that the mass of moshers are all dressed in camo and moving similary

But I was happy at the mix of race and gender, given the self-imposed limitations of the video's visual style. I like how the mom who gets evicted while her husband goes to Iraq puts on the black sweatshirt and joins the gang. It's very inclusive, as corporate diversity consultants like to say. I don't mind the camo/martial vibe, it's a broadside against the whole "if you're against this president you're a French poodle-loving faggot pussy" thing. And equating voting with revolution is downright civically responsible.

I'm struck by the similarities between Eminem and Michael Moore -- populists from Michigan who instinctively side with the little guy and who also make college-educated liberals kind of uncomfortable. Good for them.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

(and I say that as a college-educated liberal who has at times been uncomfortable with both of them)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

This video went from write-in to number one on TRL in ONE DAY.

― schwantz, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness

Am I stretching it a bit to feel that this is kind of paraphrasing Revelation?

"As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death"

Interesting given it's doomsday message.

― papa november (papa november), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

This would possibly have been more effective had it come out while people could still register in time for this year's election.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

That idle thought had crossed my mind as well.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

but maybe 'White America' helped there already?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

It would be nice to think so but I seriously doubt it.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

A couple of states still let you register on election day. Even a swing state or two, I think.

― danh (danh), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

it's just that a couple of years during the Up In Smoke tour and all that back there was that 'more influential among American youth than the President' buzz around Eminem. it's often said that rock stars should avoid politics but i can't help thinking that it would've been great to read about and see more examples of the hip hop community(/ies) voicing their anger at Buscho - not that i've really kept tabs on Chuck D, RZA, Big Boi, KRS (all immediately strike me as the ones able to command the most attention given their reputations for being not just out and out entertainers) or whoever - but then again when you think about what happened to the Dixie Chicks...

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost: I'm certain that Chuck D and KRS have said negative things about Bush and RZA and Big Boi aren't known as political firebrands so hearing something from them would be odd; also Eminem has an advantage over all four of them and the Dixie Chicks that would make it easier for him to get away with something like this video, namely he's a white male whose entire image and hype machine is fueled by controversial statements.)

Does anyone else find it absurd that things like registration deadlines and ballot requirements aren't standardized on the federal level?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

yes and yes

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

A couple of states still let you register on election day. Even a swing state or two, I think.

This is true in Wisconsin. I did it last time and I'm going to do it this time, and I just assumed it was true everywhere.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

chuck d: son of a bush + that new song w/ moby
krs: sez don't vote at all, right? idiot.

― elrod hendrix, Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i think KRS was still clinging to some shreds of sanity even just a couple of years ago

Kool Keith 4 Pres!

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.nme.com/news/110352.htm

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i think KRS was still clinging to some shreds of sanity even just a couple of years ago

as opposed to now, i meant to add

the Chuck D/Moby thing is the 'hands in the air' thing right? ugh, it could be done a lot better (witness 'Mosh' i suppose)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, FreakyTrigger 'broke' that Moby thing before NME - as if it's really news worth reporting in a music mag anyway

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

meanwhile, if kerry hadn't already clinched the Latino vote...

http://www.morrisseymusic.com/newsitem.asp?id=89

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 28 October 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death"

I'm pretty sure this is Psalm 23, though I guess it wouldn't be surprising if it was repeated elsewhere.

― sleep (sleep), Thursday, 28 October 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

IT'S FROM THE BOOK OF COOLIO!!!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 28 October 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

The video's now on the official site, at mosh.eminem.com/video

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 28 October 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

and from the book of weird al yankovic, too!!

― elrod hendrix, Thursday, 28 October 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh man -- he's gonna be on Saturday Night Live this Saturday!! I can't wait to see what happens....

They played the video TWICE today on the 5 pm - 6 pm hip-hop show on MTV2. Is that SOP for a "hot" video? They played it at 5:28 and 5:58.

I had goosebumps both times.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 29 October 2004 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Holy shit.
I finally saw it.
I'm still not crazy about the song, but... Holy shit.
Does em get his ghetto pass back?
Seriously, that's a great fuckin' video.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 October 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

the hoodie kinda makes him look like The Emperor from star wars.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 29 October 2004 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Finally saw/heard this. Pretty powerful, but yeah, a bit too plodding and the hooded figures generally looked identical.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 29 October 2004 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

never been a fan of Em .. but i have to concur this is very good

.. when a world player like this uses the mass power they have attained in such a dramatic fashion one cannot help but be impressed.

― mark e (mark e), Friday, 29 October 2004 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I think this is less a "get people registered" song/video as it is a "get people to actually vote" song/video. Registering is easy. I think I read that nearly every single eligible voter in Iowa is registered. Getting people to the polls is where all those voter drives will pay off (or disappoint us all).

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 29 October 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

All I'm saying is that the visceral reaction was to DO SOMETHING and that something was VOTE, and I was imagining previously disenfranchised people running to the polls... and finding out they weren't registered and becoming more disenfranchised.

Having said all that, I'm not crazy about the song but this is far and away the best video he's done.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 October 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Procrastinating four years and not getting registered in time = dud. Maybe the timing of the song/video is to get slow-ass people registered for '08!

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 29 October 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

once you are disenfranchised, you can't become any more disenfranchised. more disillusioned, yes.

― frankE (frankE), Friday, 29 October 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Fie on you and your precise definitions.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 October 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: Big Boi

from "War" on Speakerboxxx

"I'll rap about the presidential election and the scandal that followed/ And we all watched the nationa as it swallowed and chalked it up/ Basically, America, you got fucked -- the media shucked and jived and now we stuck!/ Operation Anaconda: ask yourself, was it full of bleeps and blunders?/ Did they ever find Osama?"

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 29 October 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

nation, that should say

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 29 October 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I downloaded this last night, and when I started it up the lovely Emma B happened to be walking by, and she stopped dead in her tracks, half-turned towards the hall. She, standing awkwardly, and I, sitting up on the edge of the couch, watched the whole thing just frozen like that. Wow.

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I've neither seen the video nor heard the song, but those words are fucking phenomenal.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

haha i actually cried when i saw the video

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I felt a bit choked up just reading the words.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

There's something tremendously amusing about all this reaction which I can't tease out to my own satisfaction. I'm still amused, though.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, of course you are.

I think it's a truly great video.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The fact that all the time and effort was put into something with an intentional shelf-life of a week is actually the most interesting thing about it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, I have thought this - it really lends weight to transience being pop music's greatest asset. I think this is a Good Thing.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

It is, actually. Regardless, this is already the type of thing that Robert Hilburn will speak of in his end of year roundup as 'a sign of the maturity of Eminem and the return of politics and 'meaning' to pop music' and etc etc. Wenner must be in ecstasies over it too.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Wenner is in ecstacies for different reasons, but whatever.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure it feeds into it. (As for the video itself, *shrug* -- better than the song but once I had finally heard that, that wasn't hard at all.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

And of course the fact that so much was invested in this despite the fact that it was only ever going to have a shelf-life of a week actually amplifies its importance...

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"(As for the video itself, *shrug* -- better than the song but once I had finally heard that, that wasn't hard at all.)"

Ned, you must be deeply cynical.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never not been?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i've never not been to england, but i sure do like don cheadle

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i too choked up while watching... (posted a little more about the the vid at m'blog, but nothing that hasnt been mentioned on this thread)

― m. (mitchlnw), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

i've never not been to england, but i sure do like don cheadle

Hmm, can I have the same musical backing?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean maybe it's just the moment and this'll come off very different to me in a year or a month, but why i think i like this ALOT more than the other eminem songs that the 'i don't normally like em but...' crowd (hilburn/marcus/whoeva) approve of ("stan", "lose yourself"), is that it isn't one of those songs at all, this is basically 'the way i am 2004' which means yeah, not a patch on 'the way i am 2000' maybe (pedro martinez ain't what he was in 2000 either), but still something. i suspect that what's motivated eminem as much as iraq or the economy is lynne cheney and the huff over 'we as americans'; em's narccissim is nothing to be toyed with and bushco is basically the new insane clown posse, only while those obsessions seemed trivial and pointless (like me or ned or whoever wasting time toiling with the latest ilx asshole), this seems heroic. i don't think/mean 'he's more pissed about lynne cheney than iraq' as a criticism either, the video's all about how bushco policy affect his/your life personally and a call to action to do something about it. "i feel your pain".

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

the shot of bin laden on tv actually made me choke, it recalled all kinds of feelings i'd forgotten

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

* cue "have you forgotten?" *

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Now that, sir, was a mighty fine post. :-) Still, my opinion holds (because yes I AM that cynical and amused).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I would just like to note what a tremendous line this is: "Let me simplify the rhyme just to amplify the noise". A preemptive self-defense - listen to the message, not the verbal gymnastics! - but also a brilliant Eminemian mindfuck, since it happens to be... the best rhyme in the song.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

the shot of bin laden on tv actually made me choke, it recalled all kinds of feelings i'd forgotten

By the way, is it Karl Rove you see scurrying away when the backdrop falls down behind Bin Laden, revealing a soundstage? Fantastic.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i also like how the bin laden thing kinda loops back to the "without me" video

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

all the time and effort was put into something with an intentional shelf-life of a week

Yeah, it's going to be strange hearing the song on the album, it'll already sound completely dated by then. He should leave it off there, really, and just let it be something that was properly ephemeral.

Joeseph very otm about the best line in the song.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

disagree completely about shelf life - the words will still work as a rallying cry if bush wins and it'll seem prophetic if not history-changing if bush loses... either way eminem wins

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

it'll seem prophetic if not history-changing if bush loses

I think I'm starting to hate that prospect already most of all about this damn song AND video.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't mean that kids will be taught in school that eminem changed history or anything, just that em will get a lot of mileage out of it either way

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't mean that kids will be taught in school that eminem changed history or anything

Yeah, SURE you didn't... (heh)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't mean that kids will be taught in school that eminem changed history or anything

No, they'll be taught Jon Stewart did.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

no no, jon stewart just makes the funny. that's all!

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

btw i urge everyone here to check out "The Power of Nightmares: the Politics of Fear" which is available via lokitorrent and other selected purveyors.. parts 1 & 2 are up, part three is on TV this upcoming Wednesday

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

It's available? I had really wanted to watch that.

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Another thing: did you notice how this song pretty much explains the blatant, pandering half-assedness of "Just Lose It" just as it supplants it ? One can almost see a backstage deal at MTV - "here, you can have your Slim Shady if you air this."

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Only just noticed this thread (and its subject) - it's a quality song and video. Never mind Encore, roll on the Eminem best of DVD.

― Jeff W (zebedee), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm with Ned, the sentiment is nice but the video isn't that great and the song is zzzz. If it's in any history books it will be for the controversy and not for the music. But BET's been playing the hell out of it, so I guess he did get his ghetto pass back.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Joseph: that's an interesting theory and worth discussing further.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

not really. hasn't that been the strategy every time? here's the wacky upbeat first single, then the dark slow grunting second single. it being political instead of personal this time doesn't seem that different to me.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it in Viacom's best interest to be broadcasting anti-Bush propaganda?
That's a little different.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The missus is convinced Em's gonna spoof the Ashlee hoedown on SNL.

― Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha I'm gonna watch just to see if he does.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh. That's a good call.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually "The Power of Nightmares" is the name of the whole thing, sorry. "Politics of Fear" is the name of part II I think. You can't get the episodes from the BBC but people have put them up on the site I mentioned above.

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Friday, 29 October 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the new "School House Rock" isn't it

― TOMBOT, Friday, 29 October 2004 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Peoples, this is a cartoon about voting.

― TOMBOT, Friday, 29 October 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

whatever it takes...

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Saturday, 30 October 2004 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i like the song, the first one i have ever heard of eminem. i am not exactly a fan of rap. though this is more like goth-rap. what about the title? does mosh mean something else than "to dance wildly at a concert"?

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Saturday, 30 October 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that's what it means basically. Em's associating moshing with voting by drawing parallels between them (mass participatory, cathartic, etc.) as a means of getting the traditionally disinclined-to-vote MTV demographic to cast ballots in this election.

― W i l l (common_person), Saturday, 30 October 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

TOMBOT You are my hero.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 30 October 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Joseph Cotton still OTM about that line. The video hits the same spot as Fight Club, except Fight Club was taking the piss (Or was it? Would you like it to be? And what about now?)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 31 October 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

this song could almost fit into a godspeed you black emperor album. haven't seen the video. i apologise if somebody already made this comparison

― rssgnld, Monday, 1 November 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Did anyone else think he was lip-syncing this on SNL?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 1 November 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw this tonight and I liked it. But this is the one time I kind of wish there had been more violence in an Eminem song. Seeing the crowd of rebels arrive. . . merely to vote was kind of a letdown. Of course, that's a lot more responsible than it would have been for him to portray some sort of riot, so now who's anti-social?

But still I liked the video. As I've said before, I've always had a weak spot for animated or semi-animtated music videos.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: "Mosh" vs "Breaking The Habit"

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I just heard this last night. It's Eminem's most arresting lyric for a while, but the beat's rather dull.

― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

"Breaking The Habit" since it still has that Mr. Hahn guy doing his "UH! Just triggered a sound effect!" thing.

― miccio, for realz, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate the music in itself, but I think the message is excellent.

― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

This video has put "Jesus Walks" into my head.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

(Since I only heard the Eminem song once and don't remember too much about how it goes.)

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with Eminem.
Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky.
In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand.
Sometimes there were two sets of footprints,
other times there was one only.
This bothered me because I noticed that during the low periods of my life,
when I was suffering from anguish,
sorrow or defeat,
I could see only one set of footprints,
so I said to Eminem,
“You promised me Em,
that if I followed you,
you would walk with me always.
But I have noticed that during the most trying periods of my life
there has only been one set of footprints in the sand.
Why, when I needed you most, have you not been there for me?”
Eminem replied,
“The years when you have seen only one set of footprints,
my child, is when I carried you.”

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

NICE TRY EM

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:59 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently, the democrats needed a little more "Jesus Walks" in their message and a little less "Mosh"

― danh (danh), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Shocker.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

they needed a little more crunk in their system

― yes, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

http://beerandrap.com/images/kerryjuice2.jpg

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently, the democrats needed a little more "Jesus Walks" in their message and a little less "Mosh"

That's pretty good. I still think that those of us who are irreligious need to seriously wage cultural warfare against the whole idea of religious faith (but not, by any means, by any means necessary).

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

cultural war that should be.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Sign me up. I've always said that the Christian right should be engaged not just on political, but on religious terms as well. Don't just argue about "issues" while pretending to "respect" their "faith": Make them defend their irrational beliefs.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i finally saw the video for this and it made me cry.

― geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

folks who voted for "mosh" for pazz'n'jop in 04

Richard Abowitz
Steve Appleford+
Alec Hanley Bemis
Nathan Brackett
Ethan Brown+
David Browne
Chuck Campbell
Ken Capobianco
Sean Carruthers
Neva Chonin
Robert Christgau
Ed Condran
Jenny Eliscu
Cyndi Elliott*+ (ignoring the inclusion of the Streets and putting only a Nirvana outtake above it)
Bill Friskics-Warren
Thomas Golianopoulos
Gary Graff*+
Renee Graham
Joe Gross
Joe Heim
Robert Hilburn
Christian Hoard
Danny Hooley
Kenji Jasper
Sherman Johnson
Joshua Klein*+ (also ignoring the inclusion of The Streets)
Brett Lanier
Mark J. Lepage
Joe Levy+
Jaime Lowe
Tristram Lozaw*
John McPartlin
Marianne Meyer
Steven Mirkin
Rick Mitchell
James Montgomery
Chris Neal
Bill O'Neill
Derek Paiva
Whitney Pastorek+
Ann Powers
Tim Pratt* (i think, some of the more obscure votes could feature rapping)
Parke Puterbaugh*
Bobby Reed
Jay Ruttenberg
Franklin Soults
Andrew Strickman
Bob Townsend+
Roy Trakin
Josh Tyrangiel
Jennifer Vineyard*
Mark Zepezauer

+ put "mosh" at the top of their singles ballot
* "mosh" was their only rap inclusion in singles ballot, an exceptional feat considering Kanye and "99 Problems"

― da croupier, Monday, 21 December 2009 22:33 (sixteen years ago)

sean, are you reading this? you still moved by the track/capable of playing it all the way through?

― da croupier, Monday, 21 December 2009 22:35 (sixteen years ago)

I'm not sure! I haven't listened to it in years and to be honest, not being a huge Em fan in general I haven't really been tempted to go back to it with any regularity. Ultimately I put it so far up my ballot for the message more than the track, which yeah ain't ever really a good indication of a track's deathlessness...

Then again, have a feeling that I don't listen to MOST of the tracks that have appeared on my year end lists with any regularity, either. FWIW.

― Sean Carruthers, Monday, 21 December 2009 23:14 (sixteen years ago)

I have a soft spot for Eminem (maybe my fontanel never grew in), that's the only explanation I have for liking this.

― ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 21 December 2009 23:17 (sixteen years ago)

hearing this again, the turgidity made me wonder if the ICP put a curse on him after their scuffle, slowly making him the audio equivalent of a psychopathic recording artist ("3am" being the moment where there was no difference)

― da croupier, Monday, 21 December 2009 23:19 (sixteen years ago)

Psychopathic as in their label, I mean

― da croupier, Monday, 21 December 2009 23:20 (sixteen years ago)

They drugged his Faygo.

― ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 21 December 2009 23:20 (sixteen years ago)

it is true that most people whose talent dips turn out to be under an ICP inflicted curse - famously, Wordsworth's entire late output got shot down by the clown

― Herodcare for the Unborn (J0hn D.), Monday, 21 December 2009 23:23 (sixteen years ago)

Eminem's people are being kinda dicks, huh? Rereleasing Relapse already with 7 new tracks, but can't buy it individually. On iTunes you can buy 6 of the new 7 tracks, but NOT the new single. Thats "Album Only", so if you happen to be one of the nine remaining Eminem stans you'd have to pay $15.99 to get the new single. Not that I'm personally interested in these, just so annoying that labels still pull this shit.

― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 December 2009 03:37 (sixteen years ago)

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