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Pete Doherty: Best Rock Star since Jarvis Cocker

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FACT. The Babyshambles single is incredible and he's obviously one hell of a talent. Had tears in the eyes last night though - he's clearly going to end up killing himself.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"Incredible" as in "it's incredible that the people of Britain (and behond? I'm not sure) are falling for this tedious schtick again, when the last time it showed up, it was rightly ignored"?

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

oh shit. DNFTT. damn me.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

que?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, no. And I like the libs as you know. The babsham single is OK, but the Wolfman "Napoleon" single was better.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

surely Jarvis and Pete are the very antithesis of 'rock star'

Pete can't even make it to his own gigs, that's how unappealing they are

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The guy is addictive viewing and LOOKS like a rock star after years of Chris Martin blandness. The fact that those shitty, "sing in a fake yank accent" Thrills thinks they are overrated makes me love the Libs all the more. Three great rocks stars over the past 10 years - Anderson, Cocker and Doherty. Fact.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Admittedly, you did say since Cocker. Maybe, maybe.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

The guy is addictive viewing

that's right, enjoy your carcrash, sickos the lot of yer

The Thrills are still going? it must be 30 years now...

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

jarvis = everest, PD = marianas trench. Jarvis = number 1, PD, you need to be Jacques Picard, sitting in a bathyscape just to try and work out which number he was. One number more than bby gllsp haha. Come on man, that babyshambles single = utterly mediocre! You're comparing this to fucking PULP!!?? FFS!!!

(x-post he looks like a rockstar?? HE LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THE CHAVS WHO SIT AT THE BACK OF THE nr47A BUS!!!!!!!!1!!)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

PD isn't even Picard, he's barely Scott Bakula

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

....PD, you (dear reader) would need to be....

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

pd is stupid

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Since pulp, not as good as.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Just to clarify, Morrissey, Jarvis and Brett are my fave rock/ pop idols ever. Pete is getting there though. I like his schtick (not the heroin stuff, of which I read little about anyway).

I like my music stars to look obtainable - like that could be anyone who is a bit indie, angry and has something to say. Goes both ways too - I'd prefer a female star to be Chrissie Hynde/ Tori Amos/ Kate Bush or Shirley Manson, either though I'd obviously be more drawn towards Holly Valance from a crotch stand point...

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks for clarification

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"crotch stand point" sounds like something a surveyor would use "'ere Bill, pass me the theodolyte and the crotch stand point would you"

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think i have a favourite rock star.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

his schtick *except the heroin* = what?! not wanting to sound regro, but... it's all about *the tunes*, this pop music bidniss, isn't it? which is why pd is a footnote to a footnote in the nme annual of niche marketing initiatives 03-04.

― henry miller, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think i have a favourite rock star.

congratulations on not being 14

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

does dmx count as a rock star? if so, i vote him.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

how could you forget Teh VOSS ? ;)

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

pete voss > dmx > jarvis cocker > pete doherty

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

MY FAVOURITE ROCK STAR = TOMMY VERCETTI

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

The songs are good, the guy writes good words, the stage presence and sex appeal are there. I like the spontaneaty too.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Mr Vegas > Wendy James > Guru Josh > Wrekked Train > Clint Boon > Silver Bullet > Spagna > Howlin' Pelle > (23 hours later) PD

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

my ten favourite rock stars of the moment, in no particular order

dmx
pete voss
elton john
snoop dogg
george michael
bono
axl rose
morrissey
avril lavigne
lil wayne

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the spontaneaty too

yeah that whole 'will he turn up or not? if he does will he remember how the song goes etc.' must be a real thrill

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

HEY MAN I SAWN THE REAL JOHNNY THUNDERS (and he = teh r0x0r too)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

calum, do you like pete voss?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Pete Voss is a joke but one of my favourite rubbish jokes nonetheless. style over substance, terrible lyrics badly sung...the band had some good ideas tho...it could've been great! esp. thinking back to the 'Vito Satan' video...

oh alright.

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, you be slagging me off and you like Elton John and George Michael?

Screw you guys, Pete Doherty rox!

― C_Man, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

so, what have we learned?

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i wasn't slagging you, i was slagging that tedious twit pete doherty

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

so, what have we learned?

Calum cares about image more than music? But in a 'cool' way and not a pop muppet way, obviously.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i think calum's desire for an interesting image to complement the music is similar to my own.

i'm still not feeling this pete doherty business though. he'd never write a song in nadsat.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

also, their music sounds a bit thin and boring to me.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i want my rock stars to care about what's going on in the world around them and use their influential position to help take a stand and fight the power

go Chris Martin and Bono!

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

carl barat is a better rock star (which sounds so cliche in itself) than pete is. or the libs play/sound better when pete isnt there. much tighter and more furious. saw them abroad earlier this year.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree w the first part of that obv. doherty/libs are so budget, they don't give a fuck about how they sound, what's important is that they're doing it.

xpost

― henry miller, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

If Pete Doherty was a good rock star he'd be on Band Aid 20.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

doherty/libs are so budget, they don't give a fuck about how they sound, what's important is that they're doing it.

why is this acceptable when Terris were not?

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like I've said since I came on here - OF COURSE image is important and OF COURSE we all want to feel wanted and fuckable... that's why saying you want to tear of Girls Aloud's bikini's with your teeth is a total compliment because that is the image THEY PERSONAllY choose to put across. In the same way that - say - Tori Amos or Kate Bush do not, and more respect to them.

But image is all important in this game. The Libertines have it and Coldplay or Travis do not. One is a band for housewives the other is not. I think Pete and Carl really saved music from a hell of a rut, along with a few other kickass exciting bands (The White Stripes, The Raveonettes, Franz). These are the polar opposites of Keane or Fran Healy and thus offer a genuine alternative.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I prefer Carl...

― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"I think Pete and Carl really saved music from a hell of a rut, along with a few other kickass exciting bands (The White Stripes, The Raveonettes, Franz). These are the polar opposites of Keane or Fran Healy and thus offer a genuine alternative."

pish posh, calum. there are many many things that offer a genuine alternative.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

(i mean, perhaps you are guilty of talking about indie rockers as if they are the only music out there? of course its yr entitlement to focus on those bands if you wish, but saying they saved "music" from a hell of a rut...tut tut...)

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like I've said since I came on here - OF COURSE image is important and OF COURSE we all want to feel wanted and fuckable... that's why saying you want to tear of Girls Aloud's bikini's with your teeth is a total compliment because that is the image THEY PERSONAllY choose to put across. In the same way that - say - Tori Amos or Kate Bush do not, and more respect to them.

http://www.white-man-killer.com/tori-amos/images/tori-amos-faq02.JPG

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't you think Tori puts across something more than that? As I said, everyone wants to feel fuckable, but it's whether or not you genuinely have something more than that to your success (i.e. Jenny McCarthy without the tits and the hair and the nudity would still be flipping burgers for a living).

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

If you actually had sex once in a while you'd me much less obsessed with other popstars who are completely sexless.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to pull my own eyes out just reading this thread.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Do it then. I always disliked you anyway.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe Calum is fascinated with Pete for the same reasons Kate is fascinated with Carl? Nothing he's said contradicts this reading.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The Libertines have it and Coldplay or Travis do not.

yes, curse this wretched two-party system we have called British music.

get one fucking clue Calum, please - i can't take much more of this, but i can't bear the thought of you winning the fight by default. And stop presenting your own poorly reasoned opinions as absolute truths. contrary to what you may think that does not really a decent music discussion board make.

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

for the same reasons Kate is fascinated with Carl?

maybe, it's just as fucking tiresome to read about. what's that you say? if i don't like it why do i read it?

because i choose to.

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

oh you know i'm just playing, for real.

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

hold on, is this the NME site?!

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"oooooh I read ILX and I like this obscure hip hop band called 'wankattack' and they are actually the real saviors of music along with drum n'bass. I'm informed I am" etc etc - you guys are such bores. No wonder NME winds you up. Good on them I say.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Calum, no one on ILX is actually like that. We just don't bite Myth on the arse and say it tastes of honey.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

That's how pop culture comes to be my friend.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Envy seems to ooze from every pore with you Calum. Job envy, girl envy (unless you really are in or out of the closet), but critic envy! that's just absurd! Have you ever thought that perhaps ILM really just isn't for you?

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

that's not what people are saying, calum.

"I think Pete and Carl really saved music from a hell of a rut, along with a few other kickass exciting bands (The White Stripes, The Raveonettes, Franz). These are the polar opposites of Keane or Fran Healy and thus offer a genuine alternative."

this was the statement i objected to. you make out that music as a whole was being (completely) dominated for a stretch by keane, coldplay etc - it wasn't, there was all sorts of exciting stuff around at the same time - some indie, some not; some mainstream, some obscure.

you then make out that the only people that offer an alternative (and ended this fictional "period of coldplay dominance") are livelier indie rock bands like white stripes etc - nonsense, there are many others that (continue to) offer an alternative - some indie, some not; some mainstream, some obscure.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

No, Calum. You just think it's your friend. Like everyone else that's every come into contact with you, pop culture calls you names behind your back (or even to your face).

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Then name some and I'll tell you what I think.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the fact that Kilian can just continue to be reasonable in the extreme, making Calum look more and more didactic and dogmatic and idiotic, whilst Steve and I have to bite our hands in order to resist the urge to type "But Calum you're a prick".

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

That's how pop culture comes to be, my friend.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

dmx
pete voss
elton john
snoop dogg
george michael
bono
axl rose
morrissey
avril lavigne
lil wayne

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Everyone you've listed, except Moz, is bollocks and a bit of a joke really.

P.S. Hey Nick. You think you got any effect on my life? Do I post on your threads? No. Why? Cos you are a twat who needs run over with a tractor.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

pete voss = Billy Bragg in the rocky horror picture show
elton john = Reg Dwight in same
snoop dogg = Huggy Bear, but then they had to give him more bling so rub. In the film, that is.
george michael = Don't care.
bono = you either love him or hate him. I don't, either way.
axl rose = Waster. Fact.
morrissey = For the good times. Oh how I wish he'd done PIL's Public Image, although his is pretty good.
avril lavigne = But my kids want to be her (Well, Alice does)
lil wayne = I missed big wayne

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

That last sentence is just great!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

that wasnt the best list to post, kilian. you utterly ruined your argument...

― ohdear, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

C, being a comedian = putting down hecklers then carrying on.

You are still biting back at the hecklers. This is dull for the rest of the audience.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

In other words, no one on the list who has had the effect on pop culture that Pete has over the past two years. Pete and Carl will encourage more bands and success stories than the likes of George Michael or Avril ever will.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I made a comedian call me a cunt once. He was dying on his feet, every joke or story he tried fell flat, and for his last, desperate attempt to get the audience on-side he began telling a story;

Him; "When I was 9, I had a bicycle which I loved, and this one time it was stolen-"

Me; "Hurrah!" *claps*

Him; (with feeling) "You cunt."

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick, in person I bet you're the type of person most people leave a busy room at a party to escape from.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

who is pete doherty

― :| (....), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Jarvis Cocker is in the next Harry Potter movie.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

DMX: 'Party Up' is one of the best tracks of the decade
Pete Voss: missed out on being the best voice in British wrock this decade, on account of being unacceptably crap (as opposed to acceptably crap like all those other suckers)
Elton John: bloated buffoon but did some great stuff in the 70s, and a genuinely good voice
Snoop Dogg: Takes effortless cool to a new level, 'Da Game Is To Be Sold Not To Be Told' is quite under-rated isn't it? 'Snoop Dogg' and 'U Got What I Want' are up there with the DMX track for me re 00s hip-hop greats
George Michael: i continue to re-evaluate his 80s and 90s output and have decided that the majority of it is actually fantastic (but the first Wham! album remains the tragic premature peak).
Bono: a wally, but in the best possible way. occasionally GREAT lyricist tho often equally as bad as well. said everything he could say by the time 'Pop' came out ('Please' being the only thing on there of worth in that respect, given the time).
Axl Rose: hilarious figure, mad voice - very hard not to love at least ten different GnR songs on their own merit.
Morrissey: a'slright s'pose
Avril Lavigne: ditto
Lil Wayne: not heard yet. am i missing owt?

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Calum, in person I bet you're a prick.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick, in person you wish you got to half the things I get to go to.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

you either love him or hate him. I don't, either way.

actually that's Bono in a nutshell. well done!

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Cal, if your life is so good, why are you so bitter?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Because there is always so much more to obtain... and knowing some of those that have obtained it, you're full aware that with the right opps you'd do a much better job. It's progressive though.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

That will eat you alive. Don't be your own salad.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

you don't win friends with Salad.

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sorry, Calz, but I spent Friday in a cave with my favourite band being paid to help make a documentary, and I want your life?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex Party to thread

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

some of those that have obtained it, you're full aware that with the right opps you'd do a much better jo

Well, yeah I know I could make a better album than the Libertines. But, hey I don't care.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Good for you Nick.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I seem to be slightly less bitter than you, so yes, good for me.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

you're full aware that with the right opps you'd do a much better job

i assume we're not talking about any job that requires the ability to criticise music effectively.

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Like I said Nick, good for you.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

That's not much of a claim though, is it Nick? Even David Blunkett is less bitter than Calum.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Good point, aldo.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

you're full aware that with the right opps you'd do a much better job
i assume we're not talking about any job that requires the ability to criticise music effectively.

Bad music. Down!

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

there's suicide bombers less bitter than Calum.

thanks you've been great...

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Bad music. Down!

Me say new Wankattack good. No agree you gay.

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It's bitterness that keeps you moving, keeps you realising each goal. Conceited people are dull. All of my social friends have a touch of bitterness, it makes people interesting.

― C_Zar, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.damomusic.co.kr/prdimg/Shampoo_We_200.jpg

Jacquie and Carrie say BO-RING!

Stop fucking whingeing, all of you.

The bottom line is, pop culture/tabloid outrage/smack habits nothwithstanding, this is all about MUSIC, remember? And The Libertines have yet to prove they have more than a small handful of half-decent songs.

Call me back in five years.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

look, basically, when it comes down to it, they're no King Adora are they?

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Mindless Drug Hoover without the self-awareness.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

100!

― :| (....), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck Off? Who do you think you are!! Get out of my FUCKING FLAT!!!
What dyer mean you bought a ticket? Can't stand me now like THAT!!!

(xpost Damn I was going to do that!)

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I think someone already said this but I'm finding some of the anti-PD vitriol a bit OTT, I'm no big fan of the Libertines (haven't heard any Babyshambles) but they're not THAT bad either. I'd rather listen to them than most other nu-britpop bands, even if they do sound like These Animal Men.

Of course I'd rather listen to pretty much anything than listen to most nu-britpop bands.

And I did like a few These Animal Men songs, so maybe my taste is suspect!

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's not so much that pd/&/or the libertines are bad per se (i just think they're very ordinary, and hanoi rocks would have blown them off stage) it's this combination of mediocrity & ridiculously ott hyperbole that grates, it's like someone handing you a wimpy and telling you it's the best food you've ever eaten.

Since I last posted on this thread i have:

1/got the bus home
2/checked to see if my kawai guitar's been fixed yet (it hasn't)
3/done it
4/got some shopping in from tescos in rowland's gill.

then I come back here & find mighty pizwnag3. If I'd actually taken some money and had more than 4 customers at work, I'd have had a really good day! Pete Doherty? Feh. Happy Christmas everybody!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

To be honest Pete Doherty is another cliched wanna-be rockstar! how anyone can idolise him is a joke! he's a junkie for christ sake and just wants to make a name for himself. I like the music but i think the bloke is a prat!

― Tom Johnson, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

that wasnt the best list to post, kilian. you utterly ruined your argument...
-- ohdear (ohdea...), December 22nd, 2004.

i was in a hurry so i just re-posted my list of "ten favourite rock stars" from upthread...though i stand by most of them being very good. of course, i'd hardly argue that elton john has been providing a thrilling alternative to coldplay and travis in recent times.

so, my new list: dmx, avril lavigne, petey pablo, kanye west, ghostface killah, basement jaxx, the liars, yo la tengo, low, david banner, bubba sparxx, lil wayne, the darkness, campag velocet, lil flip, britney spears, girls aloud - all those have been providing excitement/excellence in the years supposedly dominated by coldplay/"saved" by the white stripes.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

we have Lady Sovereign now. she'll tell us what to do.

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i long for the day the NME fawns over lil flip and david banner. or the liars, even.

thing is though, the NME is a rock mag.

― splooge (thesplooge), Thursday, 23 December 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

he is the essence of north london poshboy (liberal parents division)

HE LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THE CHAVS WHO SIT AT THE BACK OF THE nr47A BUS!!!!!!!!1!!)

-- Pashmina

he looks about as much like a chav as boris johson or hugh-fearnley whittlestone.

― cuntbog, Thursday, 23 December 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Somebody mentioned a 'shout out' to "Pete Dougherty" on BAD's "Megatop Phoenix", a little while ago.

Anyone sussed if that was a 'best wishes' to a young Pete?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 23 December 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Who is this Anderson person who is a rock star like Pete Doherty and Jarvis Cocker?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 December 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Anderson Council. He inspired Pink Floyd, I think.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 23 December 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

brett anderson of suede

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 23 December 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
Supermodel Kate Moss is enjoying a wild fling with junkie rocker Pete Doherty, The Sun can reveal.

Kate and the ex-Libertines frontman, 25, were 'all over each other' at her 31st birthday party.

And she is said to be 'smitten' - even taking Pete for a cosy lunch with her family the next day.

I don't know what to say.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm sure they have plenty in common

― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

GET ONE STD CHECK

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

haha shampoo.

i like the libs, love "killamangiro" but come on, the man is an utter asshole.

― Cameron (raygun), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
http://images.thisislondon.co.uk/v2/showbiz/dohertydrunkSHARJO010205_400x450.jpg

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

what a loser

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd hit it.

With a brick.

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

In the face, I mean. I'm not kinky, I just feel violent.

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Undead undead undead

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I enjoy his drug use more than his music.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Pete Doherty is the Guy Ritchie for the 00s.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

But Guy Ritchie hasn't teased us with the possibility of a prompt death.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Its ok, we can kill him now, he's officially a zombie.

Or we can play the hilarious game I made up, which involves dangling crack and smack from fishing rods and making him follow it blindly in to busy roads.

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

With a brick.

I think he already has been...

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I enjoy his drug use more than his music.

because the former means he might die!!!

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think it's out of the question that people could die from being fans of the music. All those affected looks of being delicately wasted could divert attention from oncoming cars and the like.

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)

when he was with the libertines, maybe, but dunno about babyshambles, its like the ultimate vanity project: firing his drummer via their website, not showing up for gigs, playing for cash-money for youknowwhat and dating kate moss for tabloid action. it all seems a bit rockstar-by-numbers, now.

― doomie x, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Hilarity. The first time tragedy, the second time comedy.

― The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

being a rock star is always 'by numbers'. pd is hilarious. but will anyone shed a tear when the inevitable happens?

― Miles Finch, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i never said it was tragic. i just really enjoyed the manifesto and the operations of the libertines. carl and pete were very good at being the libertines. what more can i say. and libertines wasn't rockstar-by-numbers. they were actually doing things differently. now it is rockstar-by-numbers.

― doomie x, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

the only tradegy was the split of the libertines...

― doomie x, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

now it is rockstar-by-numbers.

is it? c*** by numbers, more like.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

cunt, rockstar, i'm not seeing the different meanings in the words...

― doomie x, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

what were they doing differently?

― Stevem On X (blueski), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i could explain it but the rules of ilmthoughtspeak would have me condemned and mocked and i really don't have the time to argue at the wall (or the computer for that matter...)

― doomie x, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

What I find *most* hilarious about them is that they seem to have stared with all these high-minded ideals about "doing things differently" and then *still* managed to get sucked into all the Rock Star By Numbers cliches.

Like... dumbasses. Ha ha. What did you think would happen? Cliches are cliches for a reason.

― The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

a lot of people want to see Rock Star By Numbers still it seems. i can't believe that photo was on the front page of The Mirror, and it's a page 5 in the Mail i think. the tabloids seem to want to be NME more desperately than ever.

― Stevem On X (blueski), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i just really enjoyed the manifesto and the operations of the libertines. carl and pete were very good at being the libertines. what more can i say. and libertines wasn't rockstar-by-numbers. they were actually doing things differently. now it is rockstar-by-numbers.

I completely agree with this.

― David Merryweather (DavidM), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

What I find *most* hilarious about them is that they seem to have stared with all these high-minded ideals about "doing things differently" and then *still* managed to get sucked into all the Rock Star By Numbers cliches.

Like... dumbasses. Ha ha. What did you think would happen? Cliches are cliches for a reason.

i suppose that is the tradegy ... i don't find that hilarious but kinda of sad. but i suppose i'm not embittered!

― doomie x, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

But... *every* band starts off with the idea that they are somehow going to "do things differently". But almost none of them do.

I suppose it gives me a sense of schadenfreude. But there is some kind of relief in the idea that the decks are stacked against you, no matter what kind of ideals you approach music with.

― The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

but not every band reached a level where they actually started to apply 'high-minded ideals' and for those ideals to actually matter ... like what the libertines did.

― doomie x, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but that is the point. In order to reach "that level" you have to scrap some of your ideals in the first place!

― The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

they didn't though and still reached that level of success.

― doomie x, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Bulls*t.

― The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i've been on the 'inside track' since march. trust me, the libertines did things very differently from 'the rock star' tm.

― doomie x, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm genuinely curious about how things were so different, because from an outside perspective it's not apparent.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

But there is some kind of relief in the idea that the decks are stacked against you, no matter what kind of ideals you approach music with.

That goes for everyone who ever wanted to do things differently, then did not. Confucious say 'Those who choose a different path cannot show each other the way...'

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/newspapers/2_february_2005/img/3.jpg

note amusing juxtapostion of headlines

― elwisty (elwisty), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

okay what did the Libs do that was so different?

― Miles Finch, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I'm dying to know, cause it certainly didn't show in their music!

― The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe it's just the game that's boring, not the way they tried to play it. i blame Oasis.

― Stevem On X (blueski), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

ps - i still like 'killamangiro.' it's like perfect-by-numbers guitar pop with shaun ryder mumbling over it!

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

"don't hate the playa, hate the nme news desk"

― Miles Finch, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, host punches parasite shockah!

Singer Doherty arrested over alleged assault

Staff and agencies
Thursday February 3, 2005


The rock star Pete Doherty was today being interviewed by police after he was arrested on suspicion of theft and assault last night.
Police were called to the Rookery hotel in Clerkenwell, central London, when documentary maker Max Carlish claimed he had been attacked by the former Libertines singer.

Mr Carlish - who has filmed a documentary on Doherty's new band, Babyshambles - said he needed hospital treatment for two black eyes and a broken nose. According to reports, Doherty accused the 38-year-old of selling pictures showing the musician apparently smoking heroin to newspapers.

"I was in a hotel with Pete and everything was going fine until he started demanding loads of cash," Mr Carlish told the Mirror. "He wanted thousands, and I knew he was going to go out and spend it on heroin. He was desperate for a fix. I said no, and he went berserk, punching me. There was nothing I could do ... he was going mad."

Doherty, a self-confessed crack cocaine addict, claims to have spent £1,000 a day in the past to feed his habit. In an interview with the Mirror, he said that meeting the supermodel Kate Moss, who he is reported to have been seeing for a month, had convinced him to go into a drug rehabilitation centre.

"I am happy. Who wouldn't be. It's all in my hands. I want to make it work. I've been given a second chance," he said. "The drugs have got to stop or I'll lose her. I owe it to her. I owe it to everyone."

It is understood that Doherty's solicitor arrived at a north London police station this morning, and that the singer was fit for interview.

The 25-year-old singer was kicked out of the Libertines after failing to curb his drug problems, after which he set up Babyshambles. He was jailed for six months for burgling then Libertines bandmate Carl Barat's home in 2003, and in September last year he received a four-month suspended sentence for possession of a flick knife.

Controversy has continued to follow Doherty in his new four-piece band. Several national newspapers printed photographs of him looking the worse for wear onstage at a concert at the Garage, in Islington, on Monday night.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "Police were called to a hotel in Peters Lane, London EC1, at 6.20pm yesterday following a report of a man being assaulted. A 25-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of assault, occasioning actual bodily harm, and theft. He was taken to a north London police station and remains in custody."

The spokesman added that a man in his 30s had been taken to University College hospital with minor facial injuries, but was understood to have been discharged.

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 3 February 2005 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

This is just fucking pathetic.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 3 February 2005 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

"i could explain it but the rules of ilmthoughtspeak would have me condemned and mocked and i really don't have the time to argue at the wall (or the computer for that matter...) "

please do explain it. ILM just hates the libertines on principle cos theyre so above NME fodder like the libs but explain it for the rest of us!

― ppp, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

err, no.

can i just say that the 'film-maker' is a total parasite that probably deserved a smackdown and his version of the 'truth' in that article is highly suspect. but man, that was stupuid of pete doherty, i would have gotten someone else to administer the beating.

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

speaking on behalf of 'ILM' -- no, we're not 'above' the Libs, we just remain to be convinced that so-so guitar music + vague 'mythic' aspect = viable pop option.

btw what is 'non-parasitical' coverage of this particular host? it's all cashing in in personal tragedy.

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

speaking for myself, err, i'd rather not get into it. mathematical equations or not...! ha.

but suffice to say, mathematic and english equations inside, that the libertines were a very interesting beast.

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

What of the 'intimation' that the film-maker was the one responsible for the front-page photo as above?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

and isn't all rock criticism and rock critics parasitical? feeding off the carcass of artists? (mind, i do write for magazines etc)..

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

but 'parasitical' is, i think, when people are out to make large sums of cash by trading in on the trust of others and then saying: 'b..b..but it was for their own good', whilst depositing their £25,000 cheque from the tabloids into their bank account.

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

not so much -- i mean that's a kind of relationship between consenting adults. the human being pete doherty is not helped by all this piss about him being a rock legend. being on the front pages isn't helping. he's a fuck-up who needs medical attention if he's to survive his twenties. in other words he needs out of the rock loop, because it's killing him.

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

but the fact that you and i are discussing this in detail and not the woes of say, a junkie sitting outside the archway tube is contributing to the whole 'rock legend' that you also condemn!

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

and i highly doubt that pete doherty said: 'hey mr 'filmaker' takes shots of me doing drugs so you can sell it too the tabloids'.

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

who did commission the film i wonder? i don't think pd is reading this thread and thinking -- oh, these guys are itnerested, i'll keep doing it.

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

(MOD: details removed to avoid IRL consequences)

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

of course, i must say, i really don't know what i'm talking about.

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i have very little sympathy for people who put themselves in the public eye, often outrageously so, then freak out about their privacy being violated.

the fact that you and i are discussing this in detail and not the woes of say, a junkie sitting outside the archway tube is contributing to the whole 'rock legend' that you also condemn!

one of the most otm things on this thread.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Getting beaten up by a strung out junkie is a poor show imo.

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

he probably wanted to continue the tabloid show ...

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

the fact that you and i are discussing this in detail and not the woes of say, a junkie sitting outside the archway tube is contributing to the whole 'rock legend' that you also condemn!

not really, talking about something is not contributing to it. anyway, the problems of the archway junkie are difft in some ways -- they aren't egged on by society at large and given large sums of cash to spend on drugs.

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

junkies are encouraged by public apathy to do loads of drugs and then die ... the only reason we are discussing this is that he is given large sums of money through his talent to write songs and have top ten hits. i.e. he's a rockstar. we are contributing to the 'troubled rock-star' dogma legend. blaugh. i'm stopping. i have no idea why i find this fascinating but i do. junkie rock stars are the ultimate reality television.

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

The coverage of this fellow by the tabloids is pretty fucking obnoxious and scummy, no? Are they actually building him up, so it'll be a bigger news story if he gaks? Is that a bit cynical? It wouldn't surprise me if it was true though. Sorry for pointing out the bleeding obvious.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

pashmina is on the money. its the kate moss angle. nobody would be that interested but the kate moss hook-up has upped his profile 3x. so yeah, the tabloid is on him with a little bit of death under their eyes.

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

laughing off the idea of pd's 'talent', um, 'junkies are encouraged by public apathy to do loads of drugs and then die'

whaaaaat???? the general apathy of other people is what causes people to get addicted to drugs? are you yourself on crack?

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

no, the general public's apathy towards junkies. do you really give a shit when you see junkies in camden town? i don't. maybe i'm the only one.

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

do you see front page dailies on junkies in london? ambulances rushing out everyday to pick junkies off the street and rehab them? etc etc.

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

do you see threads on particular junkies on ilx? pete jones: worst drug addict since pete doherty? am i wrong in saying that there is out and out apathy and the only people who get excited are the nimbys?

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

no, of course i get used to seeing junkies in camden. that doesn't mean my apathy caused them to get addicted! society's apathy maybe, but social care for drug users does exist, overstretched as it might be. of course they need help as much as doherty, but their problem is not caused by media fascination/glamorization.

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 3 February 2005 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

but the solution is barred because of general apathy ... people get addicted for many reasons, yes, but solving the addiction is not a priority because 'addiction is a problem brought on by the particular junkie'. and hey, if they overdose and die, it is less burden on the public in general, right? nobody is prepared to spend the money needed to wipe out the addiction crisis, yeah?

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Symptom of useless britain = "nobody is prepared to spend the money to.......(x)" "you can have a-grade publick services w/o paying higher taxes thanx to pfi" This is part of why I want to emigrate. sorry, this is drifting off topic.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 3 February 2005 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

exactly: public services aren't enough. hell, isn't the drugs crisis in britain just of a big of a disaster as the tsunmani ...??

― doomie x, Thursday, 3 February 2005 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey don't worry! Heroin is good for you now! Official!

― elwisty (elwisty), Thursday, 3 February 2005 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

That'll be one of those "don't send out inappropriate messages" type news stories.

Moral: Many people can do H occasionally without getting to the PD stage. You have no way of knowing if you are one of them.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

yes you do:

if you're wealthy and middle-class enough, you can sustain a heroin addiction for your whole life. if you're poor and fucked, you're gonna end up injecting and in debt.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha yes being 'middle-class' is an attribute of nature no less!! absolute cant.

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post) I don't think it's quite as simple as that. There are many examples of people from well-to-do, upper middle class & upper class backgrounds winding up sleeping rough, injecting etc. It's almost a cliche of newspaper reportage - lrod/lady whatever's downfall - from this - to this!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think a middle-class income will stand up to a grand-a-day habit.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

but isn't petey on crack as well as smack? does that make any difference?

― elwisty (elwisty), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

apologies for length:

There are many examples of people from well-to-do, upper middle class & upper class backgrounds winding up sleeping rough, injecting etc.

yes, but i'd argue this has less to do with the drug itself than with changed circumstance, with daddy withdrawing the allowance etc (ok, being slightly tongue-in-cheek there, but hey). for every one down-on-their-luck toff, you'll find two sustaining a habit quite happily.

hahaha yes being 'middle-class' is an attribute of nature no less!! absolute cant.

oh, so you got to choose how you were born, then? lucky you!

i spent three years working with homeless addicts. they were, in the main, people who started using long after they ended up on the streets. with these guys it was desperation after everything else in life had failed them: they were almost all born into shit circumstances and spent their life being shat on further.

with the small number of middle-class users i've known, it's been curiosity/rebellion/rock-n-roll wannabeism/etc. IMHO the two dependencies/addictions aren't even comparable. one is desperation in the face of the abyss; the other is being a stupid fucking bastard.

this is a simplified black-and-white reading of the situation, i know. but hey, ILM is a kind-of all-or-nothing place ;)

the fact remains: there is no reason a middle-class user can't sustain a lifetime of addiction. yes, heroin makes you a useless bastard who can't do anything other than scoff ice-cream, but, you know, i know plenty of professionals who are also alcoholics/ridiculously heavy dope-smokers/etc. if you've got a job and something to live for, your addiction is secondary. if you're living on the streets, it becomes a focal point, a reason to get up in the morning. it is a vastly different situation.

and, umm: a grand-a-day heroin habit? for fuck's sake, i think it's less than a tenner a bag in glasgow. you'd be dead after 100 quid's worth.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, clarification:

I was more referencing peopple who sort of choose to do H. "oh that's interesting" like you might have a drink. My impression is that it takes you over more than a beer. Leaving it harder to 'take it or leave it'.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

with the small number of middle-class users i've known, it's been curiosity/rebellion/rock-n-roll wannabeism/etc. IMHO the two dependencies/addictions aren't even comparable. one is desperation in the face of the abyss; the other is being a stupid fucking bastard.

so a physical state (addiction) is overdetermined by social class? seriously? there is 'middle-class' addiction? one of the stupidest binaries i've yet seen. you aren't born middle-class, obviously, and you don't stay middle class if you hit the streets.

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 3 February 2005 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i think you're right, yes. i have no personal experience of the stuff - i should probably reiterate this - but one friend who smoked it a couple of times told me it was "without doubt the best thing in the whole world ever", which is why she decided there and then that she was never touching it again ;)

the thing about smack is it's surprisingly cheap, which is what i mean about "middle-class" addicts being able to support the habit easily. i don't doubt that they sweat and scream and scratch and hate themselves as much as any other user, but the fact remains it's easy enough for them to satiate their cravings. it's not quite as easy to do that when you can't afford to eat.

plus: dealers find it far easier to prey on the weak and helpless/homeless. if some wee girl on the streets is up shit creek and is offered a few free bags - "just pay me back next week, hen" - they'll jump at it. i don't need to spell out what happens next, but if you need proof then just have a look round your friendly neighbourhood red-light district. if you don't need to get into debt to the dealer, and can afford to buy and use discreetly, you're already in a whole different sphere of dependence.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 3 February 2005 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

you aren't born middle-class, obviously

what? can you explain this? because i have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 3 February 2005 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

very quickly, i'll explain my point of view:

i was born to middle-class parents in a nice leafy suburb (well, ok: not that nice, but hardly fucking moss side). they nurtured me and paid for me to have lots of nice things and i knew that even if i fucked up, even if i fell on hard times through my own doing, they would bail me out. ergo: i was born middle-class.

if you're born in a scheme, your dad's already scarpered, your mum's got no cash and you're surrounded by pimps/pushers/small-time gangsters, you are at a severe disadvantage. you are categorically not born middle-class.

by extension: if you're born with a hereditary title into a great big fuck-off mansion, you're born upper-class.

i really don't understand what point there is to miss here.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 3 February 2005 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

If only Melody Maker was around Mr Agreeable would rip into Pete Doherty

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 3 February 2005 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

david stubbs has a website ... perhaps we should petition him.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 3 February 2005 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Our boy has been arrested for burglary and assault. AGAIN.

― Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Thursday, 3 February 2005 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post

Well if youre not 'born' in to a class, how do children end up classed then - choosing it? buying it?

I think a major point here is that Doherty's music is total pants.

If he wasnt such a pretty-boy, who would give a flying monkeys?? No one.

― Carel Fabritius (Fabritius), Thursday, 3 February 2005 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

He's like, the ugliest man in the world!

― Michael Philip Philip Philip Philip Annoyman v1.0 (Ferg), Thursday, 3 February 2005 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

It's Just Pete!!

Pete is a twenty five year old boy, eternally scruffy and jacking up on smack. Pete and his friends, Carl, the other one and and the drummer, call themselves the The Libertines, and meet at a crack den in Mr Jenkins' field.

Pete's family, anyone with taste, caring mother and stern father, and never ending supply of elderly aunts cannot understand Pete. Only the NME has any sympathy for him.

Other reoccurring characters include Kate Moss, lisping spoilt daughter of the local aristocracy ("I'll squeam and squeam 'till I'm thick - I can, you know") and Carl, the dark haired girl whom William has a soft spot for.

Pete is adventurous, imaginative and a romantic. He writes stories - The Books of Albion and likes to perform drama. He is fond of white rats, Bull's Eyes, 'Tops and cricket.

― elwisty (elwisty), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

A Pete story often starts when Pete or Babyshambles set out to do something - put on a gig, collect scrap metal for the war effort, look after Kate for example. Pete always manages to get into trouble with the authorities, although he can never see why. Often his well meaning efforts result in broken windows and hysterics among Ms Moss's friends

― elwisty (elwisty), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.20thcenturybooks.co.uk/william/657.jpg

― elwisty (elwisty), Friday, 4 February 2005 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

now that's comedy.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 4 February 2005 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

bailed, charged w/ Assault and Blackmail...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 4 February 2005 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

if people ignore him perhaps he will go away?

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Friday, 4 February 2005 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i was born to middle-class parents in a nice leafy suburb (well, ok: not that nice, but hardly fucking moss side). they nurtured me and paid for me to have lots of nice things and i knew that even if i fucked up, even if i fell on hard times through my own doing, they would bail me out. ergo: i was born middle-class.

if you're born in a scheme, your dad's already scarpered, your mum's got no cash and you're surrounded by pimps/pushers/small-time gangsters, you are at a severe disadvantage. you are categorically not born middle-class.

okay, but in reality working-class life is not quite that bleak, nor middle-class life all that easy. it's easy to say 'moss side' but even among working-class people that is a byword for 'shithole', hardly the norm.

i don't doubt that they sweat and scream and scratch and hate themselves as much as any other user, but the fact remains it's easy enough for them to satiate their cravings. it's not quite as easy to do that when you can't afford to eat.

again, most working-class people can afford to eat.


― Miles Finch, Friday, 4 February 2005 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not talking about the working class, such as it is. did i ever use the phrase "working class"? i'm talking about the fucking underclass, the poor forgotten bastards who are written off by society from the second they come out of the womb.

i don't know where you live, miles, but you're more than welcome to come up and stay in (my nice middle-class flat in) glasgow for a weekend and i'll take you to the really hellish bits of the city; the bits where hope died generations ago. most of glasgow is a thriving, optimistic place, but there are a handful of areas where the deprivation is frankly devastating.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 4 February 2005 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

okay, fair play then. what got me going was this:

if you're wealthy and middle-class enough, you can sustain a heroin addiction for your whole life. if you're poor and fucked, you're gonna end up injecting and in debt.

well, yes, obviously, but i guess the comparison is a bit unbalanced between a large and diverse (in terms of incomes, expectations) class and a smaller one. you didn't say 'working class' but i inferred it from the use of the grindingly studenty cliches you attributed to the middle-class.

― Miles Finch, Friday, 4 February 2005 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Rock singer Pete Doherty is behind bars despite being granted bail when he appeared in court charged with robbery and blackmail.

District Judge Dorothy Quick bailed former Libertines star Doherty, 25, for a surety of £150,000 but his solicitor said the money was not raised in time so he would have to spend the weekend in jail.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

If he dies I wonder what the thread will be titled? Will it be "Pete Doherty RIP" or something like "HA HA HA Twat!"?

― elwisty (elwisty), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

This is just too weird and disgusting:

The man allegedly robbed by junkie Pete Doherty tried to bed Education Secretary Ruth Kelly when they were sweethearts at Oxford.

Max Carlish, 38, wanted to lose his virginity to the future Cabinet Minister when they dated while studying in the 1980s.

But he says the deeply-religious Ms Kelly, 36, rebuffed the eccentric film maker's advances - by claiming she had an upset stomach.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 7 February 2005 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: Pete Doherty vs. ODB

― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Monday, 7 February 2005 05:05 (twenty-one years ago)

He's full of stories, that chap...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 7 February 2005 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this what's known as "having previous"?

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 7 February 2005 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just endlessly amused by the KATE'S JUNKIE LOVER headlines in the same way that my friend Hugh in NYC was amused by HUGH DIRTY DOG headlines when Mr. Grant got busy with a prostitute.

― The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 7 February 2005 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4072705462

― stevie (stevie), Monday, 7 February 2005 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Still in jail tonight...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 7 February 2005 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1274023.jpg

http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1274016.jpg

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Also:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/newspapers/9_february_2005/img/3.jpg

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Can you imagine? You sail singlehanded around the world in record time, get a dameship bestowed on yourself, moor up and face the worlds press, and the first question you ask is "Hey, how is Pete Doherty?"

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

there are so, so many things wrong with the title/premise of this thread...

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I was actually laughing out loud when I found this morning's Sun on the train...

― Kate Kept Me Alive! (kate), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

the interview in the sunday mirror with yet another kate (a lapdancer) that he had relations with had the best headline: "HE SNORTED COCAINE THEN MADE LOVE TO ME IN DISABLED LOO".

my friend and i were paralyzed by the hysterical giggles for about an hour.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

it's ALMOST worth watching the Brit Awards

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

What *is* his thing with Kates?

― Kate Kept Me Alive! (kate), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Is he http://www.hitparade.ch/cdimg/spinners-working_my_way_back_to_you_s.jpg

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i know about 26,318 Kates now. so statistically Pete is in check.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Pete Docherty is a waste of tabloid front page space.

― Bazingley Wemsted, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi. I'm from outside the UK and I have one question. Who the fuck is Pete Doherty?

(What the rest of the world thinks....)

― joey deacon, Thursday, 10 February 2005 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

He's a dead rock star.

― Bazingley Wemsted, Thursday, 10 February 2005 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

we discussed him in a medie etchics tutorial yesterday key points
*tutor didn't know who he was
*some people thought he was a very intelligent clever articulate poet blah blah
*i said he was a big cliche only made interesting due to dalliance with post heroin chic model

conclusion; pete doherty best rock star since Elvis cos THE KIDS KNOW WHERE IT'S AT! they are the future and they say OMG PETE!!!!1111 but then again does anyone rate richey edwards now? same deal dodgy poetry self destruction (not jarvis like at all really) but ilm is a bit post teen so couldn't ever grasp the TRUE GENIUS of the man!!!

― elwisty (elwisty), Thursday, 10 February 2005 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

'Tis a pity. The last album was a fantastic mess, much better than it had a right to be.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 10 February 2005 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"He always has girls there. I'm told they're still coming round - even since he's been with Kate Moss."

Most of them are young and will do anything to hang out with their hero for days on end. They're prepared to join him taking crack cocaine and heroin just to please him. The former friend continued: "Pete has total control over them. They would even strip half naked and play around with each other on his bed in their bid to impress him."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/newspapers/14_february_2005/img/7.jpg

...which is odd, because today's Mirror is saying that Doherty and Moss are getting married 'in the summer'. Not the the Mirror's track record on Doherty news has been great.

Still, it'd be great if they tie the knot on the same weekend as Chas 'n' Cam.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 14 February 2005 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
Troubled Pete Doherty has rubbished rumours he has split from Kate Moss, insisting instead: "We're getting married."

He added: "Kate and I never split up. We are very much together. She loves me and I love her."

The supermodel was recently pictured wearing a ring on her wedding finger. Pete Doherty has obviously left rehab and is back selling stories to the press in order to pay for his crack - again.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

I really like Pete's music. That Babyshambles song is great. Just not as good as Mr Brightside by The Killers but then what is?

― Zarr, Monday, 14 March 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

Looks like the kids (well, C_Zar) have moved on...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Two stories in The Mirror in two days. He must be off the wagon and strapped for cash.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

...and here he is in The Sun the next day.

I'm glad that no one apart from me is amused by this.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 17 March 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

um, like, ha!

Thing is, once you have sold your soul once to the mirror/sun, they own you to the extent that pwn is minor. Also, everyone else gets in the act of story selling.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 17 March 2005 09:07 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
the peterster is on the front of the ham and high (newspaper) after getting into a scrap with a music hack (or something) in ver boogaloo (craptastic pub and my local) in their craptastic pub quiz.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha, I've been planning to go to that quiz for ages!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:51 (twenty years ago)

well, don't it's an absolute cuntfest.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)

actually, i'm thinking about the film quiz, but the boogaloo is pretty much full of terrible assholes every night.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

Can you imagine Hendrix or Jim Morrisson or Mick Jagger at a pop quiz? Rock star status denied.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

But wouldn't it be good to beat the bastards?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

Nice x-post!

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

Oh, it wasn't!

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:59 (twenty years ago)

who got beaten up??

― stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 10:59 (twenty years ago)

Actually, never mind beating the bastards in a quiz, it'd it be good to just boot Pete Doherty in the balls

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:01 (twenty years ago)

mark beaumont, if there's any justice.

xp

sez the g/f (who has actually seen the paper): "front
cover of ham and high 'pub quiz turns nasty' while attending the
boogaloo's music quiz last tuesday a reporter asked for an interview
with pete doherty and was punched in the face, this comes at a bad the
for the rocker having been involved in a street brawl on the kentish
town road the previous weekend."

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:03 (twenty years ago)

I'm definitely going now!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

are all tabloid reporters, like, soft or something?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:13 (twenty years ago)

Don't bruise the cash cow

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:18 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
"Pete Doherty - the Jim Morrison of ‘urchin rock’ and the Pam Ayres of ‘gutter poetry’ – limps through another week. Once again he’s been busy doing what he does best - i.e. being a blistered scrotum of a rock star. This time, however, things are turning A LOT more poisonous.

Pete and his cartel of drug-spume band mates were messing about on Brighton beach after a gig there with a couple of young teenage female fans. Doherty – in his position of Chief Pharmacist Of The Subnormal - proceeded to inject them with heroin. One of them overdosed and turned blue. They rang an ambulance for her and then scarpered. So genial."

Or so sez Holy Moly anyways.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Saturday, 8 October 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

Genius Doherty stuff from the Sunday Mirror:

"EXCLUSIVE: THE GIRL JUNKIE DOHERTY ASKED TO WED

DRUGGIE Pete Doherty's (left) ex-fiancee told last night how the Babyshambles frontman stole her heart...by climbing trees and then bursting into tears after they made love.

Stunning Evelina Roos was a 21-year-old drama student at London University when she fell for Doherty. He was 19 and working as a ticket salesman at a cinema. And just a month after they started going out, Pete went down on bended knee to ask her to marry him. She accepted and overjoyed Pete shouted: "Yes, Yes, Yes! I'm the happiest man in the world."

Last night Evelina - now 28 and running her own theatre production company, Kiss My Art, in her home country of Sweden - spoke for the first time about their whirlwind romance. She told how Pete - now best known for his drug-fuelled affair with shamed supermodel Kate Moss - gave her the nickname "Divine" and she called him "Pete the Poet".

She said: "Pete was charming and incredibly innocent. He looked like a choirboy. I was over the moon when Pete asked me to marry him. He couldn't control his excitement when I accepted his proposal. He was shouting, 'You are going to cook my dinners and have my babies. You are going to be a good wife. We will be happy ever after'."

Evelina said Doherty didn't give her an engagement ring - "because he didn't believe in any of that. But he did give me a purple plastic bracelet which his sister had given him. I was so happy when I went back to campus and told my friends the good news that I was going to marry Pete the poet."

Evelina first met Pete on a night out at Soho's Wag Club in March 1998. The aspiring singer watched her dance the night away with a friend and followed them from the club. He chased after them in the pouring rain and begged her for her number.

He told me he lived in Mile End because he loved living with the working classes. (Pete's father is an Army major and the former choirboy was offered a place at Oxford University). He romanticised about them a lot, and I admired him because he was so passionate about it."

Then in August Evelina flew home to Stockholm to see her family. When she returned a month later Pete had set up home with guitarist Carl Barat, whom he was to form the Libertines with, in Camden, North London. The boys shared a bedsit and Carl hated it when the lovers got intimate late at night. Evelina said: "Pete started kissing me once in the middle of the night and Carl shouted, 'Be quiet'. He then stormed out and made himself a cup of tea. Pete told me Carl didn't like the effect I had on him and somehow our relationship seemed to change. Pete started playing games and saying stuff like, 'Oh I mustn't spoil you', or, 'Don't fall in love with me'. Once I called him and asked whether I could come around. He replied, 'Why don't you just go home?' Sometimes he laughed at me and called me a foreign exchange student. He said he detested them and mimicked the way we spoke. I tried not to act upset, but I was. He had become wild, a bit crazy and totally untrustworthy."

Evelina says that Pete became unreliable, turning up late for dates. On one occasion he promised to turn up for a play she was in but failed to show. Another time he visited her on campus but instead of joining her in the bar stole her coat to buy drugs. He was into speed at the time, said Evelina."

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 9 October 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

Are you sure this is the same Pete Doherty?

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 October 2005 06:50 (twenty years ago)

DRUGGIE Pete Doherty's (left) ex-fiancee told last night how the Babyshambles frontman stole her heart...by climbing trees and then bursting into tears after they made love.

So this is the ticket to a woman's heart...interesting.

― Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 10 October 2005 06:57 (twenty years ago)

Pete Doherty is the greatest manifestation of the true spirit of rock'n'roll since Sid Vicious.

― acb (acb), Monday, 10 October 2005 07:38 (twenty years ago)

If it ever happens, I'm really fearing the idea of a detoxed Pete Doherty.
Pete Doherty minus drugs = James Blunt ?

― snowballing (snowballing), Monday, 10 October 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
hurry up and die, cunt.

if pd hadn't dropped out, i think i wd have been at uni with him. he does remind me of a lot of people who got into drugs at uni, ie turned it into an idiot psychodrama, only in his mid-twenties.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 4 November 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

wtf with the guardian's fucking pd obsession? talk about tabloidisation.

the guy is a self-serving joke. his band are rubbish. the songs are completely unmemorable. it completely perplexes me how anyone older than 13 could fall for this rubbish. the guy pours beer out of his dressing room window in the brix academy on a bunch of mid twenties losers and they think he's fucking rimbaud. unbelievable.

i ran into him (tho i only realised afterwards) when he was falling round the foundry in east london trying to persuade people to come and see 'this new band called the libertines' at some other east london shithole. he got kicked out for falling over. plus ca change.

― barbarian cities (jaybob3005), Friday, 4 November 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
this wz sent at 9.00pm last night!:

"Ladies & Gentlemen, we can now announce at very short notice that Pete Doherty
will perform with Babyshambles at The Boogaloo tonight.

Stage time: 10.15pm

Curfew: Midnight

This is a free show.

We apologise for the short notice, but due to extraordinary circumstances we had
no choice.

Thank you

Goodnight"

― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 9 February 2006 09:57 (twenty years ago)

If he's such a great songwriter, why is he so inarticulate when speaking? I watched Channel 4 news, you see.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 9 February 2006 11:02 (twenty years ago)

obviously you've never heard dee dee ramone speak

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Thursday, 9 February 2006 11:17 (twenty years ago)

Well, judging by the "End of the century" DVD, there was nothing wrong with Dee Dee's articulacy.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 9 February 2006 11:26 (twenty years ago)

I think I have heard him speak, actually.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 9 February 2006 11:27 (twenty years ago)

articulate my ass

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Thursday, 9 February 2006 11:31 (twenty years ago)

for some reason i feel compelled to post this...
http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/02/08/PH2006020802860.jpg

― i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 9 February 2006 11:58 (twenty years ago)

i feel it puts it all in some sort of perspective

― i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 9 February 2006 11:58 (twenty years ago)

Articulate your own ass!

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 9 February 2006 11:59 (twenty years ago)

Well, judging by the "End of the century" DVD, there was nothing wrong with Dee Dee's articulacy.

aye. "it was a sad, sorry life, somehow" - dee dee ramone on the ramones

― i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:00 (twenty years ago)

'end of the century' was amazing. but at the same time incredibly depressing.

― doomie x, Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:09 (twenty years ago)

thou' the comparison isn't apt because the libertines never bettered the ramones first album...

― doomie x, Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:11 (twenty years ago)

1st ramones album is a tough act to beat!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:15 (twenty years ago)

i know ... dee dee is a better songwriting than doherty. anyday just for the 1st ramones album. its a shame that he never got the credit only the junkie jibes.

― doomie x, Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:16 (twenty years ago)

speaking of the ramones has anyone seen jonny ramone's grave in l.a.? its a huge statue of him with these crazy quotes from lisa marie presley and vincent gallo. bizarre.

― doomie x, Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:21 (twenty years ago)

He's not wrong :

ihttp://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/df/250px-Johnny_Ramone_Grave_Memorial_4-15-05.JPG

― Matt #2 (Matt #2), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:47 (twenty years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/Johnny_Ramone_Grave_Memorial_4-15-05.JPG/250px-Johnny_Ramone_Grave_Memorial_4-15-05.JPG

― Matt #2 (Matt #2), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:49 (twenty years ago)

Will we always need rock stars?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)

you guys see that his biological dad is terry graham, of gun club and bags!?

― noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:55 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds39457.html

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, RIGHT!!

Picture of Owl going O RLY???

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

covered by Kiki & Herb last night in NY:

http://www.indelicates.com/lyrics/doherty.html

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Can anyone else not stop thinking of the Peep Show episode with Jez and Super Hans buying that pub?

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

FREE THE PAEDOS

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

"Pete knows Liam through singer Lisa Moorish, with whom they both have children

I didn't know that.

― ONIMO feels teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

conceived simultaneously.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha (xpost)

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wait, I did. Wasn't Gallagher fuming in the press about supporting Doherty's kid coz Doherty was blowing all his cash on drugs?

― ONIMO feels teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

If it's possible to troll a pub, I would like to try. Would anyone like to help me work up a fiendishly evil scheme to get The Lex in there?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

they call it "wyatting", chief.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

not when lex's around, though, natch.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

Has he heard of Robert Wyatt?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

that was my funney right there.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Why am I asking, even?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

this sounds like a good idea.

― M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

this sounds like a good ideadigitalspy are fucking stupid enough to publish any shit someone sends them.

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds a lot like the Lock Tavern to me, except probably with a lot less dance music played.

― braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

wtf i didn't know Moorish actually had kids by either Gallagher OR Doherty

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, either Gallagher or Doherty

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

That's kind of what she's famous for (if you hoover up ridiculous celebrity gossip like I do). Like an even crappier Pearl Lowe/Sadie Frost.

Did Liam really hang around in the Good Mixer?

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

http://music.guardian.co.uk/rock/story/0,,1949789,00.html

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

A Jason Pierce acoustic tour sounds like the worst thing ever.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

He remembers more about the recovery, when he was confronted by a pale apparition at the end of the bed: Primal Scream's Bobby Gillespie, taking advantage of visiting times. "I remember him saying 'I knew you'd fuckin' make it, your handshake was too strong,'" smiles Pierce. But Gillespie was "a good man to see. Your nearest and dearest find it harder to cope. You need strong people who can say 'This is not a disaster'."

i used to look up to these guys! jesus.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

i went to the mixer a couple times around 94ish (i think it was). nowt special.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

i don't even know how a JP acoustic set would work.

"that song was 'electricity'; it used to go like that, but now it goes like this"

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

.. or when he does "The Individual" using only a harmonica...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

finger-picked 'cop shoot cop': liable to drag a little.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

so many things wrong with the thread premise

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 17 November 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of Doherty Vs. Jarvis, I am surprised there doesn't seem to be a ny thread about the new Jarvis album.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 17 November 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

"Old guy releases shitty album nobody cares about other than journalists who he gave interviews for back when they were a youth, and now he's calling in favours: story at ten"

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Friday, 17 November 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

Doherty's not that old...

― braveclub (braveclub), Friday, 17 November 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
From : The Boogaloo
[...]
Sent : 15 January 2007 17:00:12
To : "List Member"
Subject : Babyshambles at the Boogaloo.....Tonight

Babyshambles at the Boogaloo.....Tonight

Tonight and For One Night Only


Hi Henry,

Reverend Fathers...Sisters of the Immaculate Heart...Kiltegan Fathers.....Ladies and Gentlemen....

We can confirm at short notice that Babyshambles have requested to play at their spiritual home tonight....

By Request...Support act tonight is the other hottest band in town right now....From Pittsburgh PA.....The Outside Royalty

This is a ticket only event....
Advance tickets Only from www.ticketweb.co.uk
Tickets go on sale at 5.15pm

There will be a strict door policy...Over 18 only

If you do not have a ticket....Do not come to the venue....

Doors.....7.30pm
The Outside Royalty......9pm
Babyshambles.......9.45pm
No Drugs...No Weapons...No Exceptions


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The Boogaloo
Highgate
London N65AT
Phone: 020 8340 2928
Web site: http://www.theboogaloo.org
E-mail: info@theboogaloo.co.uk

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

the doors are supporting??

― PAUL FUCKING ROBINSON (electricsound), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

From: The Boogaloo
Sent : 15 January 2007 17:48:35
To : "List Member"
Subject : Babyshambles.....Sold out in 3 minutes

Babyshambles.....Sold out in 3 minutes

And Sally O Brien and the way she might look at you............


Hi Henry,

Ladies and Gentlemen.........

The gig of the year is Sold Out.....

Babyshambles and The Outside Royalty sell their tickets like no other ....3 minutes and it was all over...

To the dissappointed we are sorry....but it might happen again one night soon....

Vaya con Dios Forever et Erin go Bragh

Frank Zigler

My feet are here on broadway this early harvest morn...
And oh the ache thats in them for the place that I was born....

So God be with you Ireland
And the Old Bog Road





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The Boogaloo
London N65AT
Phone: 020 8340 2928

E-mail: 1nfo@theb00galoo.c0.uk

lol junk filter amirite

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

i was too busy watching 'elephant diaries' fucknuts.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

The Boogaloo makes me want NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST in TWO KATE MOSS-SIZED SECONDS

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

Back Off (the) Boogaloo!!

― ringo (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

REAL MUSIC!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

seven months pass...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2152576,00.html

please to just lock him up already.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 20 August 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

Please to at least look at the new answers page before you revive another thread then the one that was revived just hours ago. :-)

The rolling "Pete Doherty arrested for drugs again today" thread.

― StanM, Monday, 20 August 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

(then -> than)

― StanM, Monday, 20 August 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

oh i forgot that one.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 20 August 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)


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