Rolling Salsa 2005 Thread

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Salsa is a good refuge for people, like me, whose pop music sensibilities tend toward a 70s (and older) model. It's strongly rhythmic and danceable (generally even in its watered down forms), but with a much less minimalist approach to melody and harmony than what you get in most hip-hop. It's a genre in which people have not stopped singing (unlike hip-hop*) and often do it quite well (unlike modern rock, indie rock). (All these things would probably apply to country as well, but I don't like most of it.) As I've said before, the percussion batterie of a salsa band has a more distinctive set of timbrel voices than a standard drum kit. Electronics are more flexible, but I rarely like the way they are used in electronic dance music; the electric guitar is probably also more flexible, at least in theory, but I can't say that most recent rock uses it in a way that catches my ear.

Meanwhile, salsa's ability to absorb at least some new rhythmic ideas into the clave framework allows it to update itself--to a degree. I don't think hip-hop beats are compatible with a clave approach, but Grupo Niche's "Culebra" proves that a rap or at least reggaeton approach to rhythm can be absorbed somewhat into salsa coros and soneos, which are distantly related to rap to begin with.

But for those looking for constant radical recreations of a genre, I don't think salsa is going to compete with electronic dance/hip-hop. There's no point pretending otherwise. I think it's headed toward a niche somewhere between the type of thing jazz is (but not as wide open) and folkloric music (but not as constrained), yet with a living connection to social dancing.


*I realize there are exceptions.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 7 January 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

But to repeat what I said near the end of the old thread, here are some "recent" (or post-80s, as I am using the term) salsa trends:

salsa romantica (sometimes disparagingly referred to as salsa monga): bad synthesizer parts, lyrics almost exclusively about romance, often whimpering vocals, sometimes complex arrangements, overall smoothness of feeling

the salsa romantica blacklash (self-consciously opposed salsa dura or salsa gorda or old school salsa, mostly led up by old school salseros)*

Colombian salsa (not unknown pre-90s, but it certainly emerged more strongly after the 80s), with its incorporations of cumbia and other Colombian elements and its particular way of riding on top of the rhythm (Cf. Lise Waxer, but I think I hear what she's talking about), and other traits I'm not sure how to describe

Timba (or salsa timba): maybe a genre in its own right, but also a presence in salsa at large

African salsa: much of which tends toward older Cuban models, but which is also capable of some new blends (e.g., Ricard Lemvo "Ay Valeria!")

The remix, especially the work of Baron Lopez--but the fact that I don't know the name of any other DJ doing this stuff suggests its relative unimportance in salsa

*However, plenty of musicians, including vocalists, work, or have worked, on both sides of this romantica/dura divide however.

(Man, sometimes I read these threads and ask myself if I am trying to bore everyone comatose.)

RS, Friday, 7 January 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

"But for those looking for constant radical recreations of a genre, I don't think salsa is going to compete with electronic dance/hip-hop. There's no point pretending otherwise."

I think I know what your saying here. Most of the things I've heard that try to update the "salsa sound", say by combining it with other genres or using new instrumentation, have not been too exciting to my ears. Rhythmically, the salsa "template" inherently shares a lot with other genres like reggae, calypso and even hip hop/r&b.

In the U.S. it seems the salsa "scene" is pretty diverse/divided. There is an older kinda academic crowd that actively promotes it as a longstanding heritage of Latino culture. They tend to talk about the history of the music and the communities from which it sprung (its roots in Cuba and Africa, its religious aspects, its natural affinity with jazz and other African derived musics, etc).

There is also, for lack of a better description, an international scene, in which people more consciously learn the dance steps, take classes and attend Salsa socials and clubs.

Older folks who were born in P.R. or D.R. keep Salsa alive in the barrios, enjoying the music as a natural part of their culture. Their children, though, are more and more leaning towards hip-hop, reggaeton and other Western music. Therefore, this social base of salsa dancers is in decline.

"I think it's headed toward a niche somewhere between the type of thing jazz is (but not as wide open) and folkloric music (but not as constrained), yet with a living connection to social dancing."

This sounds like a reasonable idea of where it's all heading. The social dancing aspect has clearly stood the test of time. In NYC, nobody dances to a live band unless it's a salsa band. The pure funkiness of the music is undeniable.

Big up RS for reppin' Salsa on ILM!!!

pheNAM (pheNAM), Friday, 7 January 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

got my CD man,
I will bust it out tonight
and get back to yoooooooooo

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Friday, 7 January 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

Hey RS:

Are there other English-language chatboards about salsa that you read?

Do you think more than a small handful of people will ever post on ILX about salsa?

steve-k, Friday, 7 January 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

Do you think more than a small handful of people will ever post on ILX about salsa?

Probably not.

I read rec.music.afro-latin, but it sort of faded away two or three years ago. A lot of people have migrated to the yahoo Latin music group (which I don't usual look at because I don't like the way it looks) or some Latin jazz newsgroup (which includes a lot of musicians, including some heavyweights). I do check the salsa board at dance-forums.com but it's more dance-oriented. (I haven't been reading it lately because it makes me too depressed that I haven't been dancing.)

RS, Friday, 7 January 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

"When the Civil War ended in the United States, the overwhelming majority of the newly emancipated slaves had never known their African language, religion, or country of origin. They were already Americans, and had been American for generations; the motherland was ancient history. Their music culture was already an American tradition, forbidden to know its origins. The genius of the African American musicians was in synthesizing a new music--for what was, in effect, a new composite people--out of traditions that were broadly common to diverse West African musics, giving it a quality of universality that in the twentieth century made African American music the popular music of the entire world.
Or as Dizzy Gillespie put it: 'Our beat in the United States was so basic. . . that other blacks in the hemisphere could easily hear it.' That word beat: African American music has a beat, something it has in common with Arabic music and the music of Sahelian Africa. Cuban music doesn't have a beat, exactly. The clave is not a beat, as we understand beats in North American music, though the clave rhythm can be used as a beat--and often was, when North American musicians played it. (Exhibit A for that is Bo Diddley.) The clave is a key: a way of coordinating independent parts of a polyrhythmic texture. The clave does not even have to be played, since all musicians are marking it mentally and playing to it. Nor is the clave necessarily that well-known clave pattern that the clave sticks play. . . there are any number of rhythmic formulas played by various instruments that are images of the clave, any of which is sufficient to tell the other musicians where the rhythmic key is."--from Cuba & Its Music, by Ned Sublette.

What I'm interested in here is this, initially odd-sounding, statement that Cuban music doesn't have a beat. I don't think I fully understand what Sublette is saying, but if he's correct, my guess it that it's an important point. (I'm not assuming this is any sort of original idea of his. This is just the first time I've heard it said.) It might have major implications for how salsa can or cannot be mixed with other types of music without losing its rhythmic core. It might also explain why North Americans can have difficult with the rhythmic Cuban and Cuban-derived music (though obviously it's not that unusual for them to be able to get it enough to enjoy it).

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 9 January 2005 02:08 (twenty years ago)

To me, Sublette's point is so subjective. Theoretically it's simply not true. Cuban music has a beat.

But from the passage quoted above I can't necessarily discern what point he's trying to make. It might be interesting, maybe not - but definitely confusing. At worst, he's mystifying the concept of clave.

pheNAM (pheNAM), Sunday, 9 January 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

New Frankie Ruiz playing right now on WRTI. I mean DAMN I meant Frankie Negron. New Frankie Ruiz was wishful thinking.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 9 January 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

This is old news, but here are the Grammy nominees for Salsa/Merengue Album:

Marc Anthony: Valio La Pena
Victor Manuelle: Travesia
Gilberto Santa Rosa: Autentico
Son de Cali: Creciendo
Spanish Harlem Orchestra featuring Ruben Blades: Across 110th Street

I can't get too excited about any of these. (I haven't heard all the Marc Anthony, but don't expect any of the songs I haven't heard will turn out to be that great). Grupo Niche's Imaginacion deserves a nomination more than (x-Niche led) Son de Cali does, but Imaginacion is just pretty good overall. Some good singles here, but no superb CDs. Spanish Harlem Orchestra maintains the most consistent quality, but the best tracks on the others have more zing.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

My whole family
loves the CD that you sent,
tu rey del salsa

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Oh, good to hear, Haibun.

RS, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

More details to come,
my sober analysis,
and sexy dancing

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

RS, should me and the gf spend the big bucks and go to the below dancing salsa event with vocalist Tito Allen in DC at the Zanzibar club Sat. night 1-22. Here's an excerpt from a press bio I was sent:

"Tito Allen came to international prominence recording the monster classic Indestrutible as lead singer with salsa legend, Ray Barretto. Barretto’s 1973 album, Indestrutible is considered one of the best salsa albums of all times. Two other tunes, El Hijo de Obatala and Llanto de Cocodrilo were two more tracks that went on to become great hits. Those three hits on one album catapulted Tito to the position of New York’s favorite salsa vocalist.

Tito moved on to Tipica ’73, one of the finest salsa orchestras in history. His styling on the brilliantly re-worked Cuban classic “Pare Cochero”, became the standard of that hit for the 70s generation. Sonaremos El Tambo, another example of Tito’s signature style is evident during his work with Tipica ’73.

In addition to his time with Barretto, and Tipica ’73, Allen has associations with the Puerto Rico All Stars, Tito Puente, Conjunto Clasico, Noche Caliente, Pupi Legaretta, Johnny Pacheco, Louie Ramirez and many more. But it is as a solo artist that Tito has produced many of his best titled albums- Maldades, Feliz y Dichoso, Beyond, Unique, Ahora y Siempre, Untouchable and more."

See Eileen for tickets $20 advance-$30 at door.

steve-k, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

I was just reading some pro-Tito-Allen propaganda on descarga.com today. readreadread. . . Actually, that Indestructible was the one Barretto album I remember liking (post-dancing, in the car of someone I had a crush on, so it may have been the overall ambience). readreadread. . . I don't really know too much about him. He isn't a vocalist who has made a really deep impression on me, but on the other hand, I'm becoming increasingly convinced that there are probably hundreds of old salsa albums out there that I would like.

Not sure what to advise you. He's definitely got the credentials, but the question is how well he is aging as a performer, and I can't tell you first-hand, but if you look at the new "classics rediscovered" on descarga.com, there's something about him.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

steve-k,
A salsa-head friend of mine always maintained that Tito Allen was one of the most underrated soneros. Now, I see his point. I didn't even know he sang on 'Indestructible' and I love that album.

I have two Tipica '73 albums where he sings, and they both stand up.

I've never seen him live, and haven't noticed that he's been gigging. If you're going for a new experience, it's potentially an amazing time. But there's got to be a smoking band (I'll assume he has surrounded himself with a smokin' band), dancers (does this venue have a good rep that brings out the dance crowd?), and a nice sexy environment (i've never been to Zanzibar).

That's my two cents, sorry I can't be more definitive.

pheNAM (pheNAM), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

I guess he went. Or something.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

I'm back. Nah, it wouldn't be a new experience. I was just wondering if you folks had any idea whether Allen was still worth seeing. Usually the promoter lists the backing band but they haven't this time. That makes me think it will be a local Washington DC group. But maybe not. The show is being promoted by some salsa dance teachers who promote ocassional live shows around town.

I've been to Zanzibar. It's a fairly big club on the Southwest waterfront. They have Wednesday night salsa dj dance nights, and Saturday night international music dj nights. They like to cater to an upscale Embassy crowd(which means food and drinks are pricey). The place is always disorganized when I've seen live music there--with musicians not coming on to the wee hours. I saw the Mahotello Queens from South Africa there, and David Rudder from Trinidad.

steve-k, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:02 (twenty years ago)

"a nice sexy environment"

Zanzibar wants and should be one, but it tries too hard, and not successfully. But I've never let that hurt my enjoyment there.

steve-k, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:36 (twenty years ago)

Any other nights where the Legends come into town? Never been to a salsa dance in DC - sounds like an experience. Upscale embassy crowd could be a bugout, but I'd like to have an idea of what else is going on.

Again, I couldn't tell you for sure how he's sounding now. But he sings on a lot of classic recordings!

Come to think of it, I don't remember being disappointed after seeing a legendary singer perform within the last 5 years.

pheNAM (pheNAM), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 06:38 (twenty years ago)

I think this is like the 4th or 5th in the "legends' series. The next one is planned for March sometime. Hmmmm. I forget, will check back later.

Salsa dances in DC attract a mix of native Spanish speakers who have moved to the Wash. DC area, and lots of others who have taken salsa dance lessons around town.

steve-k, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

Rey Ruiz: "Mi Tentacion" (from a new CD)--pretty good pop cha cha cha.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 14 January 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
I'm real interested in hearing Cesar Pedroso's Pupy El Buenagente and the new Los Van Van once it's out. Salsa Cubana? Timba? Songo? At any rate, the clips I've heard from the Cesar Pedroso sound good and there's a mostly positive buzz about it.

Otherwise, I'm interested in hearing the usual suspects.

(Once I, hopefully, get my driver's license--FINALLY--at the end of February, I plan on jumping back into salsa.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

The Spanish Harlem Orchestra's cover of "Cuando Te Vea" is really good to dance to.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Monday, 7 February 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/ae/3029879

This is pretty weird. I've never heard him referred to as the "devil of salsa" either. It's usually the "lion of salsa."

'Devil of Salsa' arrested trying to leave Colombia
Associated Press

BOGOTA, Colombia - Venezuelan salsa star Oscar D'Leon was arrested and
jailed when he tried to leave the country after failing to perform at a
scheduled concert, officials said.


D'Leon, known as the "Devil of Salsa," was detained Monday at the airport in
Barranquilla, 435 miles north of Bogota, as he prepared to return to
Venezuela, policeman Emilio Vence said Tuesday in a phone interview.

Concert organizers had filed a complaint against D'Leon, saying his failure
to appear at the concert Friday caused a disturbance as disappointed fans
destroyed chairs and other objects. It is illegal in Colombia for anyone
with legal proceedings against him or her to leave the country.

"He wasn't locked up in a dungeon, but rather a room with air conditioning,"
said Vence, head of the Colombian secret police in Atlantico province. "We
treated him the way someone of his stature deserves to be treated."

D'Leon, who was on the marquee to play in Barranquilla's carnival
celebrations, told local Caracol radio Tuesday he backed out because
organizers refused to pay an advance fee. He said he hoped "the people who
have done this take time to reflect, and they should be worried because they
stirred up this ballyhoo for which they are to blame, not me."

Concert organizer Gregorio Rico said an advance payment was made to the
salsa star.

"We hope the city understands and knows that it's not our fault ... and that
Oscar should apologize to the city," he said.

D'Leon, 61, has suffered several heart attacks in recent years, but has
refused to retire. He began his career in 1973 with the group Dimension
Latina. Four years later, he launched a solo career during which he recorded
more than 50 albums and worked with artists including Celia Cruz, Tito
Puente and Arturo Sandoval.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

D'Leon is supposed to be on a bill with Jose Alberto El Canario Friday February 11th at the Washington D.C. Hilton

steve-k, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

I hope they paid him.

RS, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

Female salsa singers: Choco Orta is pretty good, although I don't hear about her much. I'm not sure who she is exactly, on that I've heard some good songs by her.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)

My goodness! Quite voluptuous.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 00:17 (twenty years ago)

This Digitally Imported salsa channel is really excellent. Just heard Victor Manuelle/Gilberto Santa Rosa performing Manuelle's "He Tratado" together, live, with plenty of back and forth improvisation. Lots of Conjunto Clasico. The selection is mostly old school and 90s RMMish stuff, but there's a lot of old school salsa that I haven't heard.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

All the great songs that talk about how great Puerto Rico is may be the only thing to justify claims that Puerto Rico is that great, but they may also be enough to justify those claims.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Frankie Ruiz: "Me Acostumbre"

This is genius. It goes directly to the heart.

(I have no idea what the song is about, but it is wrenching, and without histrionics.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 05:01 (twenty years ago)

I really should take Spanish lessons again.

There are so many "recommended" picks at descarga.com . I don't know how anyone could afford to buy them all.

steve-k, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

I think they want to sell CDs. . .

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

I heard a song from the new El Gran Combo album last night, a song about being happily married, and it was good. (There last major hit, "Me Libere," was a love 'em and leave 'em song, so I don't know if they are trying to make up for that, or what.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 27 February 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

http://www.comborecords.com/catalogue/RCD-2029.jpg

Just buy it, okay? (This is not new.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 5 March 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

I'll have to pick this up, even with at least a couple songs I don't really like from the new album:

Victor Manuelle En Vivo Desde El Carnegie Hall
CD (Sony Discos 95529), Released 2005;

Song titles include:

Tengo Ganas
Lloré Lloré
He Tratado
Tantos Deseos De Ella (Tanta Voglia Di Lei)
Lo Que No Fue No Será (A Duo Con Hector Ruiz)
Voy A Prometerte
Pero Dile
Si Te Dijeron (Interpreta: Gilberto Santa Rosa)
Poco Hombre
No Me Hace Falta
Vivo Orgulloso
La Vida Es Un Carnaval

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

I love this album so fucking much:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:gc6ktr3ykl4x

xhuxk, Friday, 11 March 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

xhuxk, I like your new name!

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

I don't know most of those songs. I like some boogaloo, usually not as much as straight ahead (?) salsa.

Along these lines, I like Azuquita's "California" a lot. It has a whole bunch of different starts, some of them funky, and it goes into a guajira or cha cha cha, but it keeps coming back to the other stuff too (so it's mixed enough to be pretty boogalooish, to me). It's past the real boogaloo era.

Oh, also, I like La Lupe's cover of "Going Out of My Head." If you haven't heard that, I think you'd like it. (You must have heard some La Lupe though.)

What's funny is how many of the big Latin music stars who made boogaloo records also complained about having to do so. I'd guess that's more true of the people who already had established careers at the time, rather than the relative newcomers.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

I didn't realize that was new the first time I looked.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 01:07 (twenty years ago)

Two Ismael Rivera tracks is a pleasant surprise. I've finally been hearing a lot of songs by him lately that I like more than what's on the one CD I have by him. (I think it's just a little too early in Puerto Rican music for me.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

Oh wait, this Manuelle album sounds like it's going to be crap. Canned audience response? Why don't they just release recordings from real live performances (for which he has a very good reputation)?

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)

Manuelle's coming to 3,000 seat DAR COnstitution Hall in DC in April. I didn't realize he was popular enough here to play a place that big.

Steve-k (Steve K), Friday, 11 March 2005 05:06 (twenty years ago)

I think you have somehow missed just about popular he is. I can't think of any salsa singer who could compete with him commercially in the U.S. except Marc Anthony.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

"just how popular he is"

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

And Manuelle hasn't recorded in English (not extesnively anyway--there could be some recordings I don't know about), and neither is his audience based on doing Latin pop (even if on this last album, yes, he is mixing more of that in, where before I can only think of one Latin pop song he recorded).

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

That new Victor Manuelle album is #4 on Billboard's Tropical album charts (and it's somewhere on the Latin album charts as well, which not many salsa CDs crack). (For that matter, not many salsa albums seem to crack the top of the Tropical album charts thanks to reggaeton.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 12 March 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

This seems like a really thin idea for a compilation:

Suite Espagnole: Latin Japanese Classics
CD (Fania 814), Released 2005;
Editor's Pick:
Good compilation of jazzy salsa tracks that were big in Japan. With Louie Ramirez, Roberto Roena, Joe Cuba, Jimmy Sabater, Tito Puente and others.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 13 March 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

Billboard chart info. for Manuelle (peak positions):

1996 Victor Manuelle Top Latin Albums 42
1996 Victor Manuelle Tropical/Salsa 8
1996 Victor Manuelle Tropical/Salsa 9
1997 Pesar de Todo Top Latin Albums 9
1997 Pesar de Todo Top Latin Albums 13
1997 Pesar de Todo Tropical/Salsa 2
1998 Ironias Heatseekers 12
1998 Ironias Top Latin Albums 4
1998 Ironias Top Latin Albums 23
1998 Ironias Tropical/Salsa 1
1998 Ironias Tropical/Salsa 9
1998 Pesar de Todo Heatseekers 50
1999 Inconfundible The Billboard 200 96
1999 Inconfundible Top Latin Albums 2
1999 Inconfundible Tropical/Salsa 1
2001 Instinto Y Deseo The Billboard 200 197
2001 Instinto Y Deseo Top Latin Albums 1
2001 Instinto Y Deseo Tropical/Salsa 1
2002 Le Preguntaba a la Luna Top Latin Albums 12
2002 Le Preguntaba a la Luna Tropical/Salsa 1
2003 Le Preguntaba a la Luna Top Tropical Albums 1
2003 Le Preguntaba a la Luna Tropical/Salsa 1
2004 Travesia The Billboard 200 177
2004 Travesia Top Latin Albums 1
2004 Travesia Top Tropical Albums 1

RS, Monday, 14 March 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

Salsa vets El Gran Combo are playing a Maryland club outside Dc this Friday the 18th.

steve-k, Monday, 14 March 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

I have yet to see them, unfortunately. I like "El Matrimonio" from their new CD a lot. (I need to ask my friend kaysee what she thinks about the rest of the album.)

RS, Monday, 14 March 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

Frankie Ruiz: "Desnudate Mujer" has me up on my feet once again. Perfection. Musical heaven.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 20 March 2005 03:32 (twenty years ago)

A fun night of dancing. Cut and paste text from online version of Washington Post Style section pg. C5 in Monday
3-21-05 Washington Post (c)

El Gran Combo


Salsa may no longer dominate the Spanish-language radio airwaves, but El Gran Combo and Sonora Carruseles demonstrated the genre's continued dance floor vitality at a crowded Cococabana in Hyattsville Friday night. Both are 13-piece outfits with brass, congas and more.

Colombia's younger Sonora Carruseles opened with a lengthy, joyous set of percussion-dominated tropical rhythms. While that group has been around since 1995, Puerto Rico's El Gran Combo has been making couples spin in front of bandstands since 1962. Although only bandleader and pianist Rafael Ithier and saxophonist Eddie Perez remain from the beginning, the current set of musicians keep this Caribbean institution's reputation intact.

Music vet Ithier's compositional approach for his orchestra is seemingly simple -- verse, chorus, short instrumental interlude, verse. Never self-indulgent, this big band played to serve the needs of the rug-cutters.
The quiet but in-control Ithier and the bassist nonchalantly propelled the tempos as the horns, timbales and congas added flourishes and the trio of singers lyrically conveyed emotional heft on both older numbers like "Te Regalo El Corazon" and newer successes like "Me Libere." None of the instrumentalists were flashy, but the pinging of the cowbell, the pounding hands on the drums, and the brightness of the trumpets, trombone and saxophones certainly heightened the excitement.

Visually, the fun was in watching the singers' Latinized Motown choreography. They engaged in clever precision movements as they alternated leads or sang together energetically. The only disappointment with the El Gran Combo set was its length -- an hour and 20 minutes seems a bit short for a group with such a voluminous songbook.

-- Steve Kiviat


steve-k, Monday, 21 March 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

RS--El Gran Combo did play "El Matrimonio," Friday night.

steve-k, Monday, 21 March 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

I hope I get to see both these bands eventually.

RS, Monday, 21 March 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

El Gran Combo are playing in NYC tonight or tomorrow at the Copacabana (as opposed to the Cococabana outside of DC), and then heading down to play in Miami, they told me.

steve-k, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

Los Van Van's Chapeando is out now, available from some online distributors anyway. I wish I could find a site with some samples from it. I had heard that El Cigala was on it, but I'm not seeing him listed.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

Haven't Los Van Van undergone a number of membership changes lately? I know that is often par for the course with big bands, but I got the impression (from a writer in the Beat maybe?) that some now find the group less relevent. I enjoyed the version of the group I saw years ago, and the album from that time. I haven't heard recent ones. I keep meaning to borrow that Valdes/El Cigala cd from my dad.

Oscar D'leon is coming back to DC April 15th.

steve-k, Friday, 25 March 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

They have undergone big changes, but I have heard very good things about this Los Van Van album from Cuban music fans (many of whom have been pretty down on a lot of what's been coming out there in the past few years).

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 25 March 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

From an article posted to rec.music.afro-latin: "To celebrate its 35th anniversary, Van Van performed for more than 100,000 in the outdoor concert spot known as La Piragua, by Havana´s Malecón(seawall)." I guess they could be popular and still irrelevant in some sense, but it doesn't sound like they have lost their audience--in Cuba.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 25 March 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

The one song I really like on the Cesar Pedroso album. (Cesar Pedroso, formerly of Los Van Van.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 26 March 2005 04:36 (twenty years ago)

(Just to be clear: that's a link to an mp3.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 26 March 2005 05:20 (twenty years ago)

Here's the blurb from descarga for the new Van Van. steve-k, this does back up what you said about Los Van Van losing their edge. It looks like x-Van Van member Cesar "Pupy" Pedroso is becoming more popular than Formell's band. (And come to think of it that concert I mentioned with an audience of 100,000 people was a re-union concert where the members who have recently gone solo came back for the show.)


LOS VAN VAN
Chapeando (CD Unicornio)
Category: SALSA/SON; SALSA CUBANA; CUBA
***EditorsPick: Yeah, it's good. Even with the departure of Pedro
Calvo and Pupy, the band sounds good, and big. As usual, the topic's
religion, and the base of the group is in the thump and detail in
Samuel Formell's drumming. And there's the ever-present sound of
violins and trombones. The piano seat's taken over by Roberto
Rodriguez, who does a fine job, and one of the group's newer singers,
Yenisel Valdes, who if I'm not totally spaced out, sang with NG La
Banda, is a serious improviser, capable of stretching out for half an
hour on a tune. Mayito Rivera is also on hand, and another other new
singer, Abdel Rasalps, sounds like Pedro Calvo, which is ok; once the
group settles into a groove, one has to give up the fact that the
mighty band sounds unstoppable, and that Chapeando is a classic. The
Formell harmony is all intact, the melodies, too. Pupy and his band
have taken over Havana with their new sound, but I'd bet that
Chapeando fields some hits. Ain't nothing like this.
Highly Recommended. (Peter Watrous)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 27 March 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

Yea. I bet Los Van Van are still pretty hot even with the membership changes though, as Watrous says.

steve-k, Sunday, 27 March 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

Actutally there are some clips up at timba.com and, eh, it sounds too much like what I don't like about contemporary Cuban music. I keep trying, but there's really no reason for me to get excited about this. Maybe my friend k***** will burn me a copy some day.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Monday, 28 March 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

RS! I just now got yr. re:More Choices, with a note from your qmail-send program saying it had gvien up on trying to deliver. Not sure what's going on, so thought I'd tell you here that I'll get your choices together and send 'em along.

don, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I manually sent that. It had come back, and I just didn't bother with it for a while, but then I realized that you probably thought I'd never gotten back to you (which I hadn't, in a sense).

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

The latest issue of Latin Beat has a brief article on the status of salsa, with some blunt quotes from Bruce Polin: "I'll go even further and say that salsa in its 70's heyday was a marginal market in the overall music industry. . . A few labels like Fania did well, but perhaps only because they paid their artists nothing. Most of those guys--and I'm talking about great talents--had day jobs." And Rudy Mangual: "I think salsa sells more now than it did before, especially in South America. There are more salsa groups in Colombia than in Puerto Rico these days."

There's also an interview with conguero George Delgado, whose debut came out recently; an article on reggaeton and Latinos in hip-hop; and along with the "Is Salsa Dead?" article, an article asking if bolero is in danger of becoming extinct. (Talk about a back catalog though, and catching up countries that mostly never went for salsa.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

The bolero article is really over-the-top in its hostility to every trend which undermined the popularity of the bolero, but it's so over-the-top and so passionate that I think it ends up being less annoying if it just made a "reactionary" comment or two in passing.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

I skimmed that issue at Tower but didn't buy it. Perhaps I should(and my subscription to the Beat ran out before i renewed it, so I gotta find the new issue of that on a newstand when it's out). Read the "Is Salsa Dead" article but not the bolero one. Found the references you quoted above thought-provoking. Although to tie in with the theme I suggested on that Cuban dance thread, if veteran salsa groups are popular and in demand around the world that doesn't tell me that the genre is as alive and thriving as say reggaeton. But I don't know enough about salsa in South America to say whether there are young groups there that are vital, and as you pointed out, a big enough audience. I gotta try to get some other folks who are more knowledgeable than me to weigh in on this.

Steve-k (Steve K), Thursday, 31 March 2005 04:23 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but reggaeton blows by comparison. (Not that every salsa track will be better than every reggaeton track, but on an overall basis.) I prefer a bit more complexity than what reggaeton has to offer (not that salsa is Schoenberg or something)--reggaeton is more pop music minimalism, the groove we seem to be stuck in permanently.

I think that by "South America" he means "Cali Colombia and maybe Venezuela."

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 31 March 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

Technology and cultural and socio-political factors has meant that there are less African-American bands (the days of funk and r'n'b combos is largely history; other than the Roots--how many hiphop bands are there), I'm afraid of what will happen in the Spanish-speaking world, both musician-wise and audience-wise. Perhaps my fears are wrong and young Colombians and Venezuleans are both dancing to salsa and creating salsa. Is salsa stagnant or is it just destined to be a niche genre like jazz?

I like salsa and reggaeton but i see where you're coming from. Rapping in Spanish over a programmed beat with some sampled sounds is obviously very different from guitars and bass and pianos and percussion and horns and a clave beat. I hope the author of that piece is correct and that the latter sound will continue to be created and danced to by current and subsequent generations.

steve-k, Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

The thing I find paradoxically encouraging about that article is that it suggests that salsa has always been a niche genre. But people with specialized paraphilias can still live full and enjoyable lives.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

(Comparing unpopular aesthetics to sexual perversions seems like a good way of appealing to a contemporary audience.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't listening to salsa in the 70s, and I haven't subsequently researched it, so I have no knowlege if it was just a niche genre then as alleged in that article (which is contrary to the general consensus as they acknowledge). My gut instinct tells me it was a bigger niche genre in 1977 than now, but who knows. You're right that supporters and participants in such a niche genre can lead full and enjoyable lives!

steve-k, Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Bought:

Dorance Lorza/Sexteto Cafe: Salsa Pa' Ti (2004). Really nicely done, very danceable, vibes-based, horn-free, covers of older material (that wasn't necessarily originally orchestrated that way).

George Delgado: Mi Ritmo Llego (2005). Solo debut by the conguero with Spanish Harlem Orchestra and Los Soneros del Barrio. It's a little closer to the sound of those two bands than I was hoping for (not that they are bad, but I think there's too much of a New York "we're going to show you what salsa is" traditionalist formula emerging). The singer sounds kind of lilke Ruben Blades and Cheo Feliciano at times, but at least those are two really good singers to sound like.

This is all based on one listen, but I'm pretty sure I like the Lorza. The other could definitely grow on me, but it's not as immediately striking.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

The Dorance Lorza is really good. It feels extremely danceable, and I like the spacious sound.

I really don't like the George Delgado CD so far.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

Steve, since you've often raised the issue of blog coverage of salsa, well, not a blog, but I don't know if you're aware of this:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Salseroscollective/

I've started checking it out recently. I don't especially like the interface, but most of the action has moved away from rmal. (Partly, I'm afraid things have fragmented more so that there are new groups devoted to Cuban music and specifically timba; there is a Latin jazz discussion group; and there is this salsa discussion board.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 8 April 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

I don't know why I'm wringing my hands over that, but it's completely dishonest of me: I like salsa. I don't like most Cuban music, uncluding timba, and most Latin jazz. (A lot of people into those things are not necessarily interested in salsa.) But they are closely related enough that I would like to be able to talk about them if I felt like it (or learn from someone else's enthusiasms). Anyway, it seems like it is okay to discuss all those things (and reggaeton, and merengue and bachata) on Salseros Collective.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 8 April 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

Thanks. I didn't know about that yahoo group. I just saw some interesting threads. I understand your handwringing. I like some Cuban music and see from something posted there that Cubanismo were banned from coming back to the U.S. last year. I saw them live about 5 years ago in Virginia and they had a small crowd dancing.

Steve-k (Steve K), Friday, 8 April 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)

Cubanismo?! They seem like even less of a threat to U.S. security than BVSC.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 8 April 2005 10:22 (twenty years ago)

To be honest, I didn't even know they really were from Cuba. I thought they were exiles or something like that.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 8 April 2005 10:22 (twenty years ago)

Also, watch this web-site, because the last salsa web-site she had was really good. I liked the layout (I don't like the look of this one quite as much so far, but it's not finished) and I generally found her approach to the subject refreshing. The whole thing was funnier and much more tasteful than 99% of the salsa sites I have seen. For instance, she had before/after pictures of herself leaving to go out dancing, and then coming back, looking somewhat tired, hair a little out of place, but looking like she'd really been out dancing. It spoke way more to the actual experience of dancing socially than the ballroom style type pictures that often grace the big salsa web-sites (but it was funnier and more interesting than some of them more natural photos of people salsa dancing). She's done a little bit of mp3 blogging as well (mostly focusing on older, classic material).

It could be a while before this thing is really up and running though, since the web-master is very busy.

Some of the photos of Puerto Rico on the news site are great though.

(Music discussion is one of the subjects she includes under the Borinqueneando.)

I hope she doesn't kill me for linking to it here when it's not even really finished, but I figure interest will be pretty limited anyway.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 8 April 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)

A newish Cuban music group:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com­/group/CubanMusic/

A timba group:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com­/group/timba_geeks/

Latin jazz:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com­/group/latinjazz/

Once again, I personally hate yahoo, but that seems to be where these discussions are moving, for some reason.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 8 April 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

Here's an old (dance-oriented) article from Nina (not a professional journalist or anything, keep in mind):

http://www.tosalsa.com/forum/features/article020618nina_canyoufeelme.html

(I don't agree with everything in this, and I'm probably more "ballroom" than I would prefer.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 8 April 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

Cubanismo is led by Jesus Alemany who is living in exile in London, but his band stays in Havana. The US State Dept. decided that bringing US money back to Cuba is no longer allowed(it somehow props up the Castro regime) so Cubanismo and others who have toured the US in the past are now banned because they would make money on their concerts. Ridiculous. I think the limits on sending money to Cuba have also upset Floridian Cubans who often sent money back to relatives.

As for dancing, I'm lame compared to my gf and others and don't dance enough, and haven't taken enough lessons. Watching others dance I often see that those who learned through lessons appear to be trying too hard, while those who learned, uh, culturally, look more relaxed. This doesn't hold for everyone. I've had some bad experiences with hardcore swing and Latin and zydeco fanatics who have learned through lessons. They're very doctrinaire about what is right and wrong about dancing, and they're often closed-minded about music. I'm generalizing a bit here but that's been my experience.

steve-k, Friday, 8 April 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

RS:

Do you have events like the below, in Philly?

Washington DC's own Orquesta La Romana will be opening up the DC Salsa Congress on Friday night June 10th with special guest Jimmy Bosch at the Hotel Washington in downtown DC, the DC Salsa Congress features 3 days of workshops, performances and instruction from around the United States.

Instructors and performers from DC, Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Georgia, Texas, California, Chicago and more will all be dancing and sharing the love of Salsa from Friday June 10 through Sunday, June 12, 2005. Live music, 6 DJ's, a huge ballroom and the party doesn't stop until 3AM every night! Vendors will be on hand providing dance shoes, clothing, videos and more. Performances and social dancing will be featured via the web on www.iMambo.tv. Visit www.WashingtonDCSalsaCongress.com for more information.

steve-k, Wednesday, 13 April 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

Last year they inaugurated a new annual salsa festival here. I didn't go because: I had moved and I hadn't been dancing for a while (and I still haven't, though I expect to resume next month).

Also, since I have more of an idea of what style(s) I'm interested in dancing, I am fussier than I used to be about what teachers I'm willing to pay to get instruction from.

RS, Wednesday, 13 April 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

(I highly recommend that Dorance Lorza CD I mentioned upthread.)

RS, Wednesday, 13 April 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

That probably sounds very purist of me (re: instructors), but it's more just a matter of having more of a personal sense of what I like in salsa dancing. I'm pretty much an eclectic jumble of things, actually. But I know I don't want to go in the direction of the LA-style/World Salsa Federation look. And I'm not ready to tackle on-2 at the moment, since I've been dancing on-1 for several years already and that's how the vast majority of people around here dance anyway. And some people are teaching stuff that is way too overtly rauncy for my taste. I'm not interested in dance-floor sex-theater.

I used to really like the idea of making my dancing more circular, which happened to mesh with the style of the teachers I ended up with, but it's not really very practical for crowded club dancing. It's very good to know how to dance in a slot, and I'd like to get back to that (not that I don't have enough moves that fit that form, but some of the more advanced things I've learned tend to spill out into more of a circular approach, which isn't always viable if everyone has staked out a slot on the dance floor). Locally, some of Rafael Benitez's students seem to do some really beautiful things while dancing in a slot, so I'd like to study with him next if possible. (He's not super-flashy as a dancer himself, but I'm impressed with what I see his students doing.)

RS, Wednesday, 13 April 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure it will be clear what I mean by all of that, but trust me, it's nothing very complicated.

RS, Wednesday, 13 April 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

I've noticed I'm feeling a shfit away from wanting to dig and discover new corners of salsa and related Latin music and a shift toward wanting to hear more of the stuff I know I like, and most importantly, know I would want to do to (maybe because I will soon be back to dancing). So: Puerto Rican salsa with super-tight horn arrangements (maybe best exemplified by Sonora Poncena) and really manic Colombian stuff.

(Apparently I think it's very important to let you all know this.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 15 April 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

I understand re the dancing, and your exploration of salsa. I'm helping coach my son's baseball team tonight, rather than going to Oscar D'Leon at H20 in Southwest DC. (apparently I think it's very importnat to let you all know this as well!).

steve-k, Friday, 15 April 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Actually what I'm really doing is blowing my good intentions to curb my CD buying. This is partly because two jazz CDs I ordered are taking FOREVER to get here.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 15 April 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

Having now bought (over a period of a few years) two Soneros del Barrio CDs, two Spanish Harlem Orchestra CDs, two Jimmy Bosch CDs, and one George Delgado CD, I'm seriously wondering if there is much point in buying more CDs from this very New York school of salsa dura, which seems to be made with retro intentions. I don't really feel a lot of this stuff, and much of it doesn't particularly make me want to dance either. Aside from the (sometimes pretty serious) issues about audio quality, it seems to make more sense to buy the older classics + newer things which aren't as caught up in the NYC salsa dura ideology. For what it's worth, I don't think that non-percussive instrumental soloing tends to do much to inspire me (anyway) to dance more intensely. I hate to say it, but I think Christgau might have been right when he complained about New York salsa (and I think he meant he current stuff) wanting to do jazz. They are drawing very strongly from the descarga side of Latin music for my taste.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

I've been underwhelmed by the Bosch cds I've heard, and from hearing he and his band live(in a theatre not really designed for dancing). Can't speak with much authority on the others. I think you're hitting the nail on the head.

steve-k, Tuesday, 19 April 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

The 70s reissues keep coming, including many albums, or even bands, I've never heard of: http://www.descarga.com/cgi-bin/db/scan/mp=editors_pick

(There are only a few sprinkled in at the beginning of that, but more as you go in to the other pages of the editor's picks section.)

I was recently talking to a veteran salsero and vinyl collector. He said he has 7,000 records. I assume that's not all Latin, but I bet a lot of it is. I'd love to see that collection. He was going to be going to a record fair in Puerto Rico to buy more.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

That 70s album thread is also making me more determined to buy 70s salsa in large quantities (not that I hate I can really think of anything I hate on that list, but the omission is glaring).

RS, Friday, 22 April 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Ah, the fania years of salsa.

So I was at an Orioles baseball game and before Miguel Tejada (from the Dominican Republic) bats they play a little 15 second salsa soundbite. They did not play any "Daddy Yankee" or other reggaeton artists for the Yanks or Orioles!

steve-k, Friday, 22 April 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

This might be the best commercially available general-purpose salsa compilation I've seen, thanks to the range of time periods and artists and the quality of the material I recognize: The Very Best of Salsa.

I don't know all this material, but those of you who got my mix CDRs will recognize some of these songs, and a lot of the artists (though not all). They even picked Jimmy Bosch, Oscar D'Leon and George Delgado recordings I like (when there are plenty I don't especially like). This brings together classic 70s/Fania era salsa; some of the better salsa romantica/poppier things; Colombian salsa; and current New York salsa dura artists.


Disc 1

Soy Vagabundo (5.56) - Hector Lavoe
Manos Duras (5.08) - Ray Barretto
Estoy Como Nunca (4.53) - Tito Allen
Sin Negro No Hay Guaguanco (3.33) - Lebron Brothers
Historia De Una Rumba (5.30) - Celia Cruz, Johnny Pacheco
Plastico (6.37) - Willie Colon, Ruben Blades
La Musica Es Mi Vida (5.25) - Johnny Zamot, Sociedad 76
Rebelion (6.15) - Joe Arroyo
Los Bravos (5.27) - Fania All Stars
Sola Vaya (6.02) - Sonora Poncena
1983 (5.50) - Eddie Palmieri
Volver (5.31) - Tito Gomez
Me Voy Pa'Cali (3.50) - Oscar D'Leon
Por Esa Mujer (4.51) - Tito Rojas
Le Robaron Los Timbales (4.19) - Tito Puente

Disc 2

A La Hora Que Me Llamen Voy (5.06) - Jose Alberto
Etnia (5.28) - Grupo Niche
Pueblo Latino (4.20) - Spanish Harlem Orchestra
Coquetona (4.40) - Sonora Carruseles
Salsa (4.28) - Yuri Buenaventura
Por Nada (4.28) - Gilberto Santa Rosa
La Noticia (4.08) - Jimmy Bosch
Dale Cara A La Vida (4.51) - Tito Nieves
Contigo No (4.06) - Los Titanes
Trucutu (5.07) - Los Soneros Del Barrio
Betece (5.03) - Africando
No Hace Falta Nada (5.09) - Victor Manuelle
Eso Digo Yo (4.25) - Rey Ruiz
Los Hijos De Obtala (5.36) - George Delgado
Ya Era Tiempo (4.36) - Ricky Gonzalez

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 29 April 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

Someone should review this CD.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 29 April 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

It's remarkable how unassailable this Jimmy Bosch CD is and yet how unengaging it finally is. (I guess most of you would not be amazed by that sort of thing.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Bosch seems to have all of the elements to make great salsa, but there's something missing.

steve-k, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Nina is indoctrinating her 19-month old in the ways of El Gran Combo and salsa dancing. (Also, N. rates "El Matrimonio" as highly as I do. I hope she starts the blog she is talking about starting.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 7 May 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

(I have to allude to third parties to make this seem like more of a dialogue.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 7 May 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

(speaking of dialogue, most of our recent deathless seems to have fallen off the board)(I think Christgau mainly complained about NY salsa in 70s/early 80s; since then he doesn't even bother)What jazz albums are you waiting for?

don, Sunday, 8 May 2005 03:53 (twenty years ago)

Christgau has actually said some favorable things about some salsa CDs lately, so he's off the hook.

Teh jazz:

Cooper-Moore: Deep in the neighburhood of history and influence
Cooper-Moore/Tom Abbs/Chad Taylor: Triptych Myth

I ordered them by mail directly from Hopscotch, since the only other place I found them was the Downtown Musicans website, and I didn't like their ordering set-up. It's been two months and I've heard nothing (but I do know Assif Tsahar and Cooper-Moore are or were on tour). I've tried e-mail. I would call, but I don't see a number listed on the web-site. Ultimately I canceled the order, but I never heard anything back in response to that either. I really just want the CDs. I don't understand why this Cooper-Moore guy wouldn't be picked up by the independent stores near me that carry jazz. (I did see Triptych Myth once a while back at an indie oriented store I don't especially like to go to, but I have never seen the solo recording.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 8 May 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

(Christgau put the Rough Guide to Colombian Salsa at #38 (or something like that) on his P&J ballot this year, so all is forgiven. Also, it allows me to feel smug and say: oh, I've known about this music for a while, and these bands have better songs. But of course, he probably damn well knows about them as well.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 8 May 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

Tues. May 10th in Wash. D.C. from the Washington City Paper

"Marta Moreno Vega grew up to be a City University of New York professor of Afro-Caribbean religions and write a book about Santería. But in the late 1950s, she was just a young East Harlem kid curious about the Yoruban and Congolese gods and goddesses invoked by her abuela and the dance moves practiced by her Palladium-going brother. In her memoir, When the Spirits Dance Mambo: Growing Up Nuyorican in El Barrio, Moreno Vega offers a bittersweet account of the days of stickball, Tito Puente, and learning life's lessons from a cigar-chewing grandma. Though occasionally a bit *Brothers Garcia*– cute—"Mi nieta, remember that time is precious," she's told at one point—the prose is often beautiful. Tonight, to accompany her book talk, Vega screens a documentary she filmed in Cuba and New York, which covers the African roots of the religious and secular music she loves as well as the ongoing influence of those roots on Latin jazz and Spanish-language rap. The program starts at 7 p.m. at the Hirshhorn Museum and Sculpture Garden's Ring Auditorium, 7th Street & Independence Ave. SW. Free. For reservations call (202) 287-3382. (Steve Kiviat)"

steve-k, Sunday, 8 May 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

That sounds like something I might want to read. I've seen her Altar of My Soul book around.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 8 May 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

yeah I know christgau likes some salsa, it's the new york flavor he tends to not like

don, Monday, 9 May 2005 01:47 (twenty years ago)

Nina Loca is going to be starting a music blog. I don't think she'll be posting mp3s though. It sounds like it's going to be mostly reviews.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 9 May 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

This is pretty under construction, btw. I just realized I already linked to it earlier. I was looking for that, but missed it and convinced myself I hadn't already linked to it.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 9 May 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

Are those local guys you're trying to get CDs from? Sonny Rollins with the Spanish Harlem Orchestra at Monterey Jazz, Sept. 16, I think (saw it listed at
nytimes.com the other day)

don, Monday, 9 May 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

don, is that directed to me? I have no idea what you mean. Oh, do you mean the Hopscotch Records things? Those are downtown NYC guys.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 9 May 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

If that's what you meant:

http://www.hopscotchrecords.com/catalog.html

Sorry to derail my own thread.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

This interview with Cano Estremera is pretty intense.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

I'm listening to a Cano Estremera compilation now and he's quite good (and so is/are the band/s behind him). (Though it's a little frustrating: this song seems to be full of allusions to other songs, but I'm only vaguely picking them up, not really sure of their significance.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 14 May 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

Anthony Blea y Su Charanga's "Virgen de la Caridad" (the title cut--and I haven't heard the rest of the album) is way timba, but I like it.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 15 May 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

I'm flip-flopping on this. I really admire it, I really think it's great, but I have trouble with the violins and muted trumpet at times. But for the title cut and the 7 minute instrumental, "Tumba Randy," alone, it's probably worth it. It all feels very carefully composed and arranged, very well-organized. You can tease out different strands of the syles they are working with, but it all feels very pulled together and focused.

I'm still sorting through 2004's salsa releases, and I remain convinced it was one of the best years for salsa recordings for a while.

RS, Monday, 16 May 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

The Cadaver Exquisito is pretty interesting. The production sounds different somehow, not like, say a Victor Manuelle or Gilberto Santa Rosa or Grupo Niche CD; but also not like a Jimmy Bosch or Spanish Harlem Orchestra CD. It sounds like what it is: a live recording, but without the obvious flaws or roughness that often go with a live recording. In a way it sounds like a band I might go see locally, except then I realize that there isn't any local salsa band that really sounds this good. It's a nice mix of salsa, cha cha cha, bolero, and a dash of rumba at the very end. It works extremely well as an album, but I'm not sure how individual tracks would stand up if they were yanked out of the overall context.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

Anthony Blea's "Tumba Randy" is ass-kickingly great. If it would stay with the traditional charanga feel of the beginning, I guess I wouldn't be into it, but goes into familiar rumba melodic lines, but using violin instead of voice (which is pretty striking since rumba is essentially music for voice and percussion only, even though, yes, there are plenty of exceptions). And then it goes from there into an improvised duet between Blea and Alfred de la Fe, and moves into more of a salsa feel, and so on.

Fact checking, I came across this interview (which I had seen before, but forgotten):

ONE OF THE SONGS PEOPLE ARE REALLY NOTICING ON YOUR CURRENT CD IS TUMBA RANDY. IT IS A REALLY EXCITING AND UNIQUE TUNE. CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT TUMBA RANDY?

It starts off as a rumba, a guaguanco. Right away Alfredo comes in with a “Call”. The call is commonly used in rumbas. For example rumbas start with the drums and then the lead singer comes in with a musical phrase to set the key of the song. Then the number goes into the verse performed by the singers. But on Tumba Randy instead of the lead singer delivering the call, Alfredo plays it on the violin. This is something I had never heard anyone do before. I have heard the call played on a trumpet or performed by a singer. Alfredo really makes his violin sound like a voice. He does the same types of calls that the rumberos sing. Since I grew up playing congas and performing rumbas, I had listened to all those calls. It was a natural thing to include rumbas in the music and it turned out really great for him to play that tune. Originally I was the only violinist on the tune playing a long solo instead me trading solos with Alfredo. I think the concept of alternating solos makes the tune more interesting. It is a long song but because it has a lot of sections it does not seem that long. It was truly an honor to play with him.--http://www.salsacrazy.com/salsaroots/anthonybleaysucharanga.htm

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

(And yes, it is a horribly designed, poorly proof-read website.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

Intrablogging: turning a post or posts on a message board into what is, practically speaking, a blog.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

I think the Blea CD is pretty amazing. The way it pulls different (albeit, related) threads together so completely is quite striking. In the title track you've got a charanga feel/sound, some amazing horn arrangements that shift things around a bit, a typically Puerto Rican salsa feel, a bridge that sounds sambaesque to me, all arriving at a timba-style montuno.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

I was all prepared to hate this pseudo-live Victor Manuelle album, but so far (and I'm only up to track 2), I can say that I prefer the version of "Llore Llore" here. That's not saying much, of course, since I don't like that song, but some of the annoying things about the chorus on that are toned down on this version.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 21 May 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I can't listen to this right now. The talking is too distracting, the ultra-romantic Sergio George (I assume that's who it is) piano playing is too annoying, and a lot of this stuff is just meh, though I do prefer this version of "Me Hace Falte" to the studio version (again, from last year's Travesia), and this song is not all bad. The more traditional chorus here toughens these songs up a little, in a good way.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 21 May 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

The cover of "La Vida es un Carnival" (as done by Celia Cruz) is pretty good. I've always found this song about tedious, even when dancing to it in a sweaty club on a good night. I'd say this cover is an improvement on the original (or on Celia Cruz's version--I'm still not clear on whether the song had already been around for a while when she recorded it).

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 21 May 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

Overall, very inessential. The best Victor Manuelle recordings remain the ones he did in the 90s (and Inconfundible from 1999 is probably the worst of that lot).

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 21 May 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

So don't all rush out and buy it.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 21 May 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

I didn't realize Gilberto Santa Rosa had appeared on El Gran Combo's 40th anniversary live album!

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 22 May 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

I just saw yesterday the new "Azucar! Celia Cruz" exhibit at the Smithsonian Museum of American History. It features music from different eras of her life playing loud in all of the rooms, lots of video screens showing pictures and film from all eras of her life, plus plenty of her wigs, shoes, and frequently outrageuously colored dresses are there on display as well. Lots of old record sleeves on the walls. I loved it all--the folkloric stuff, the pics of the Tropicana in Cuba in the 50s, the version of "Aquarius,"(from Hair), the powerful Fania era sounds, the excerpts from the Pepsi commercial.

There's the sad aspects as well--Cruz leaving Cuba and later being denied by Castro the right to come back for her mom's funeral...
Victor Manuelle is shown singing powerfully at Celia's funeral, plus there's the sight of thousands of people lining up in NY and Miami in 2003 for her wake(s).

steve-k, Sunday, 22 May 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

I wish I had been able to see Manuelle when he was most recently in town.

I wish I understood Spanish better so that I could hear and understand for myself the vocal improvisation skills I'm always reading that Celia and other great salsa singers possess.

The annual free outdoors Smithsonian-sponsored Folklife Fest is coming up at the end of June. Lots of traditional Spanish-language music from many genres. Not sure if there will be salsa. They will have a DC-based merengue band that is quite popular and not that stereotypical folkloric(meaning traditional in a staid sort of way).

steve-k, Sunday, 22 May 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

But part of that improvisational skills is rhythmic and maybe melodic, so I think it's possible for us to pick up on some of that part: how the singers lines dance around the beat during the call and response section. That can be pre-planned, but it is part of what a good improvising soneo is expected to do.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 22 May 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

Listening to Grupo Gale's Esencia Latina from last year. The first, title track, is pretty solid. This songs must be getting quite a bit of play. A big improvement over the lousy King Bongo CD (the same) Diego Gale produced last year.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

(Sorry, I woke up from a nap, brain-damaged.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

You can take a virtual tour of the Celia Cruz exhibit

http://americanhistory.si.edu/exhibitions/exhibition.cfm?key=38&exkey=353

steve-k, Monday, 23 May 2005 11:01 (twenty years ago)

Los Pleneros de la 21, a bomba y plena group from Puerto Rico via New York will be at the Smithsonian folklife festival. I like them alot. They'll be headlining a free dance party down between the Washington Monument and the capitol near the museums on Sunday July 3rd with local merengue combo, the JCJ band opening. It doesn't appear that there will be any salsa, just Mexican son, Puerto Rican jibaro, El Salvadorian ?, and Mexican son huasteco.

Steve K (Steve K), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 04:02 (twenty years ago)

I don't think the way I presented this thread on the Yahoo e-mail listserv thing will get any more folks to post. Oh well.

Steve K (Steve K), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

Oh, you actually did that? That group isn't too active itself, considering the number of users. I think this thread loses some meaning without the overall ILM context (really). There are certain things I say here that I wouldn't bother to say in a salsa-oriented discussion.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)

I should have put a juicy title on it, instead it just got buried.

steve-k, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

Surely there must be folks somewhere who want to chat in English about salsa on this thread. How can we recruit them (or should we even try)?

steve-k, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

The Guarare reissue from last year (originally released in 1979) is quite nice.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 29 May 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

rockist, have you ever done a "fania: s/d" on ILM? could you do one now?

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:29 (twenty years ago)

vahid, what is it that you have in mind, an s/d for things released on Fania (or just the Fania All Stars as a unit)? Do you want to include every label that Fania eventually purchased? Because that tends to include a really huge portion of salsa released in the 60s through early 80s. Do you want to start it? I'll start just about any salsa thread I'm asked to start, but I'm not sure what you're looking for.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, I have to go to work soon, and it will be easier to do this when I'm home.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

The only way to make it meaningful, I think, would be to limit it to things that were originally released as Fania recordings. (Otherwise, it will come so close to being "Class Era of Salsa: S/D" which could also be okay.) Anyhow, I think I've listened to maybe 1% of these things, at best.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 10:51 (twenty years ago)

Also, vahid, I think you'd like Eddie Palmieri's Lucumu Macumba Voodoo (not on Fania), which I want to try to come back to and say more about on the Eddie Palmieri thread.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i was thinking strictly the fania label, 1970-1980.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 2 June 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Dude, don't overlook the early 80s.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

The real "Golden Age of Salsa" stretches from about 1962 through some point in the early-to-mid 80s, which isn't to say there hasn't been a lot of good stuff since then. But covering the whole Fania catalog is well beyond my capabilities (not that you were expecting me to do it all).

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

My impression (based on admitedly limited evidence) is that Vaya's quality control was at least as good as Fania's.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 June 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

N'KLabe's "I Love Salsa" is a fantastic new super-fast salsa single. I just ordered the album. I vaguely remember making a mental note to keep track of, or look further into, N'Klabe.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

It's got a lot of shout-outs to various salsa figures, and it's just very kick-ass, even if some might find the English "I love salsa" part of the chorus a little corny. It's not too corny for me.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

http://www.descarga.com/cgi-bin/db/21233.10?Y25MbS4y;;85067

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm. "I Love Salsa" sounded much, much better on the dance floor than it does on my PC speakers. The context is all wrong. I think it could quickly wear out as something to listen to at home, while working really well as something to dance to in clubs.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

This looks really good, not salsa, not entirely Latin jazz, rumba/folkloric-grounded, but not entirely traditional: http://www.sternsmusic.com/disk_info.php?id=WCD071

A little more innovative than what I'd expect from World Circuit.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 11 June 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

Or I should say "adventurous" rather than "innovative." So many recent CDs I want to get too. Until I've heard them, I will not write off 2005.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 11 June 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

Grupo Niche finally appears to have released a decent collection of hits. Every past one I've seen has been a rip-off. I am suspending judgment until I can confirm that these are really the original versions. They've done at least one collection where the versions were all screwed up or something of that sort. (Actually, the fact that this is on Sony makes me more hopeful that it's a legit. hit collection.)

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 11 June 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Well, not too bad, but there is too much of their more salsa romantica stuff, which I generally don't like (in this case). More bad news: if the time listed for "Cielo de Tambores" is correct, this is a shortened version, which is a shame since that song deserves to be as long as it is. Still, this CD pulls together a number of their best songs from across their career in a way that no other comercial selection of their recordings does.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 11 June 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

N'Klabe's "I Love Salsa!" seems to be modelled on the formula that Colombian bands (particularly Fruko y Sus Tesos) use. For some reason I am getting into analyzing what they are trying to do here on a track by track basis. It seems very carefully planned out "Now we are going to be go back to a 90s RMM kind of salsa romantica sound (but without excessive schmaltz). Now we're going with a classic Puerto Rican salsa dura style (cue barritone sax)." The intro. to the second track reminds me of a bunch of songs from the 90s that I can't name, but I think one Victor Manuelle song in particular (and I still haven't figured out which one it is). Roughly speaking, the odd numbered tracks are all salsa dura and the even numbered tracks are salsa romantica. (The odd numbered half of the album works pretty well for me.)

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Post office puts out Latin dance stamps:

http://www.justsalsa.com/usps/

Now we need to get Tite Curet Alonso, postal worker and great songwriter, on a stamp.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 18 June 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

It's not exactly salsa, but there's some great free music happening in downtown DC which will have people dancing:

"... Last year’s introductory bill of “Nuestra Música” featured groups strumming tunes by day and night; this year, Spanish-language sounds will be heard only at the evening concerts and dance parties. Los Camperos de Valles is a rural Mexican trio playing sharp-edged rhythms on unusually strung guitars and violin with high-pitched vocals that sometimes resemble country yodeling (Friday, June 24, & Saturday, June 25). The folky strumming and dramatic melodies of Ecos de Borinquen (Saturday, June 25) and the funky beats of Los Pleneros de la 21 will represent Puerto Rico (Saturday, July 2, & Sunday, July 3). Named after a bus stop in a San Juan neighborhood, Los Pleneros are masters of the Afro-Hispanic call-and-response genres bomba and plena. Occasionally twangy, the group sounds best when the barrel drum, maracas, and gourd-banging dominate. Drums also feature prominently in the program of music from Oman. The three large music and dance ensembles appearing from this Arabian Peninsula nation blend traditional Arabic vocals with percussion drawn from both South Asian and African traditions. A bit less exotic, the Forest Service’s roster offers campfire songs and string-band Americana. The festival runs through Monday, June 27, then picks up again Thursday, June 30, to run through Monday, July 4, on the National Mall between 7th and 14th Streets NW. Live musical performances and demonstrations are presented from 11 a.m. to 5:30 p.m., with special celebrations, performances, and concerts continuing until 9 p.m.

Steve K from DC (Steve K), Sunday, 26 June 2005 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

I love those stamps. The upcoming new Los Pleneros de la 21 cd is real nice. Traditional yet modern bomba y plena--there's even a bit of rapping on one track.

Steve K from DC (Steve K), Sunday, 26 June 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

I saw 2 of the Oman percussion and dance (and conch shell) groups yesterday, but wasn't able to make it for any Spanish-speaking groups.

I'm gonna go see Los Pleneros next weekend on July 3rd with a DC merengue act.

steve-k, Monday, 27 June 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

In Philadelphia, we've got a free Tito Rojas/Frankie Negron show on the Parkway on the 3rd. Not two of my favorites, but I will probably be there. (Also a band called Orquesta del Barrio, which I think is local. I'm actually more interested in finding out what they sound like than in seeing the presumed headliners.)

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 27 June 2005 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

I kinda like Rojas, though I know of folks who don't.

Steve K (Steve K), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

Pablo Chino Nunez has put out a CD with a ridiculously uncatchy title, but based on the audio samples* here, I'd say it sounds like a pretty successful release in the orthodox NYC salsa dura vein. (Actually, there's a reggaeton track too, which isn't so orthodox, though everyone seems to be doing it these days.) The list of musicians involved really is pretty impressive, and it goes a little beyond the usual suspects that have appeared with Spanish Harlem Orchestra and Soneros del Barrio. (Despite poking fun at the title, I appreciate its ecumenical approach to salsa dance styles.)

Also, the new Kim de Los Santos is pretty solid. (I've heard all but one track.)

I'm still waiting to see an American distributor for the new Juan de Marcos and the Afro Cuban All Stars CD, which I'm convinced is going to be excellent.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 1 July 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

"Salsa on the Parkway." Salsa, yay! Good good sounds. It's still a powerful mix, with many devotees. Familiar faces.

Less good: sunburn.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 4 July 2005 01:22 (nineteen years ago)

I just missed Tito Puente, Jr. sitting in with local DC salsa band Orchestra La Romana for free down near the Ronald Reagan building in DC.
But I finished my newspaper review of the fabulous Los Pleneros de la 21. That Nuyorican outfit was at the annual Smithsonian Folklife Festival, between the Capitol and the Washington Monument. Their bomba and plena comes pretty close to salsa at times(especially when the keyboard and bass kick in), and I even like 'em when they're doing the more African ceremony rooted bomba numbers. All kinds of big barrel drums and lots of handheld percussion. A local merengue band, the JCJ band, also played. I loved their horn section, but sometimes their speedy tunage got a bit predictable. As I was under a tent, no sunburn!

steve k from dc, Monday, 4 July 2005 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

The Los Pleneros show was last night on the 3rd. They actually played 3 straight nights in DC for free---once at the Kennedy Center and twice at the Folklife Festival.

I'm heading to the beach in a couple weeks and will thus miss Gilberto Santa Rosa.

steve k, Monday, 4 July 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

I've almost heard all of the new Juan de Marcos Afro Cuban All Stars album, Step Forward, enough to say that it's pretty good, but I warn you all that it is quite smooth. Not quite smooth jazz, but I bet a lot of this would go over reasonably well on a smooth jazz station (which isn't necessarily a bad thing when you consider some of what gets played on those stations). It's in a mixture of genres including boleros, a danzon, timba, etc.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, I'm listening to this with headphones on and I'm starting to think it sucks. I mean, this--this is supposed to somehow galvanize (?) the non-Cuban world and introduce a younger generation of Cuban artists to a larger audience? Ooooo funky fusion suited for transition to a half-time break during a TV broadcast of an American football game.

I like some of the singing and violin playing (on other tracks) though.

I'm sorry, I think I will always prefer Puerto Rican/NuYorican music to Cuban music. Eddie Palmieri's better work totally trounces anything here. Maybe that's not a fair comparison.

The laid-back vibraphone danzon/cha cha cha is nice I guess.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 7 July 2005 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

The singing on the bolero "Preludio y Fuga" is pretty appealing to me though.

Okay, so maybe my second, negative, take on the album is wrong. It seems to get better in the middle, oddly enough. It is very smooth though. I don't think there's anything here as interesting and inventive as the two best tracks on Anthony Blea y su Charanga's album from last year, and in a way, they are working with a similar combination of musical possibilities (modifications of the charanga tradition, with greater or lesser acknowledgment of timba).

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 7 July 2005 01:20 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, this is actually pretty good. As I said above, I think some of the vocals are a strong point.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 7 July 2005 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite track ("Esperanza") on this new Afro Cuban All Stars CD is remarkably similar to "Tumba Randy" by Anthony Blea y Su Charanga, though not quite as inventive, and a little more smooth jazz friendly--though not smooth jazz. Also, while most of it is an instrumental, there's some singing at the end.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

On the other hand, "On the Road Again" in French and English is really annoying, and sounds completely unconvincing in its attempt to sound sophisticated and cosmopolitan. (On the other hand, Juan de Marcos is in fact a sophisticated and cosmopolitan individual, and I am not. Maybe I just don't realize how easily those things translate into corny music, especially where France is somehow involved.)

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

Your less than ringing endorsement now has me less interested in the cd, and I liked their previous efforts.

steve-k, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

I like it better than their previous efforts (that I've heard). I'm not sure what you should make of that, if you like their other recordings.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, is it me, or does this sound like rubbish (well maybe not all of it)? Listen to the sad-ass rapping on the 4th track here:

http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?userid=M07GGZcBgb&EAN=688164311929&ITM=1

(& I actually think some of these people are good singers, or have good voices, or something. But me and Cuban music don't get along.)

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 15 July 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

See, this is what annoys me. David Ortiz is playing an incredible mix of salsa tonight on "El Viaje." What is wrong with that? Nothing is wrong with that, except that too often he will play the same campy old Jimmy Sabater song for four weeks in a row, or that sort of thing, when he is perfectly capable of pulling out a more varied and much better (to my ears) selection.

Yo soy Rockist Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

Phil Robinson: Oye Salsa Sabor y Clave. Sounds good to me, maybe better than some higher profile things I've heard lately.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'll probably pick up the Chino Nunez CD, which seems like it's going to be one of the better salsa things from this year, although there hasn't been much of anything I've felt urgent about hearing. I do really hope Echu Mingua will find a U.S. distributor, since I've already decided I want it to be my album of the year.

I have to admit I haven't been listening to the N'Klabe CD, but I fully expect to dance to be out dancing to some of those songs in the near future.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

I'm kind of getting sick of the bariton sax sound in salsa.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'm kind of getting sick of the baritone sax sound in salsa.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

I checked the spelling because I couldn't rememmber if it was one r or two and then I accidentally left off the e.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, I think I can live without any of the 2005 salsa releases I'm aware of, unless you count Echu Mingua. This is what I'll probably buy the next time I buy some salsa (which could be a while from now, since I've been overspending on other things)--I think ILM has a right to know:

Cesta All Stars [canta Cheo Feliciano]: Salsa Maxima
Celia Cruz con Johnny, Justo and Papo: Recordando el Ayer
Tipicá 73 En Cuba Intercambio Cultural [I heard something fantastic from this album, this past Saturday. I hadn't expected to be interested.]
Sonora Poncena: On Target
Maybe some kind of Louie Ramirez related thing
Maybe some more Ismael Rivera who is growing on me again

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

BoRIcua!

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 25 July 2005 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

Q u i e r o S a l s a :

http://s16.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0588YYG0UBQX805X1O3CY4LZUS

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 25 July 2005 05:47 (nineteen years ago)

I bought the first one and regretted it, but that doesn't mean I definitely won't by this one. I want to at least hear what he does with Fulanito. Some of the other guests are interesting too (although Joe Bataan's presence is mostly a nostalgia thing I'm afraid).

I hope Xiomara Laugart gets more time in the spotlight this time around, but probably not, with all of these guests.

Yerba Buena
Island Life
CD (Razor & Tie 182942), Released 2005;
Editor's Pick:
Terrific new Latin dance-funk-hip hop-whatever project led by Andres Levin.
A whole lot of fun with guests John Leguizamo, Alfredo De La Fe, Brian Lynch and others. Check out "Belly Dancer" and "Bi-lingual Girl." A non-stop party.
Highly recommended.
Review to follow shortly. (BP, 2005-07-25)

Song titles include:
Dr. Aneub Abrey's Island Blues Cures: Part 1 - Intro (feat. Ajay Naidu)
El Burrito
Sugar Daddy (Feat. John Leguizamo & Les Nubians With Celia Cruz)
La Vida La Life
Belly Dancer (feat. Fulanito & Members Of Gogol Bordello)
La Candela (Prendela) - A Tribute To Juan Formell Y Los Van Van Feat. Orishas)
Corazon Bandolero (Feat. Diego "El Cigala")
Bilingual Girl (Feat. Joe Bataan)
Fever (feat. M1 From Dead Prez)
Bla Bla Bla
No No No
Dr. Aneub Arbrey's Island Blues Cures: Part II - Accent Elimination
Cityzen Citysoy
Te Estoy Amando Locamente (Feat. Rossy De Palma, Montse Cortes And "El Niño" Josele)
El Burrito (Saboreando) - (feat. Peret And Ile Aiye)
Dr. Aneub Abrey's Island Blues Cures: Part III - Farewell
Musicians include:
Andres Levin Electric guitars, keyboards
Cucu Diamantes Vocals
Pedro Martinez Vocals, percussion
Xiomara Laugart Vocals
El Chino Vocals
Sebastian "El Tren" Steinberg Bass
Skoota Warner Drums
Terreon Gully Drums
Gilmar Gomes Pandeiros
Rashawn Ross Trumpet
Edmar Castañeda Cuatro
Special Guests: Pamela Thurstin Theremin
Conrad Herwig Trombone
Celia Cruz Voz
John Leguizamo As "The Sugar Daddy"
Neko Guira
Alfredo De La Fe Violin
Leo Nocentelli Electric guitar
Sergey Ryabtsev Violin
Brian Lynch Trumpet...plus many other musicicans!
Category: Pop/Other => Pop Latin

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 25 July 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

Mary Kent's Salsa Talks is out, and looks like something I'm going to have to buy. (She's an insider, despite the misleading name.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 25 July 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, I've seen her mentioned (and maybe post messages herself)on that Yahoo e-mail thing.

I was gonna catch up on a bunch of cds at the beach and barely listened to any of them for the whole week.

Eddie Palmieri was interviewed on NPR's Morning Edition. I only heard part of it, and it wasn't too profound. I may have to check out the whole thing on their website though.

Jon Pareles reviewed Yerba Buena and the Norteca Collective in the NY Times the other day. He generally liked Yerba Buena, though he said sometimes they seemed too much like an eclectic mixtape. I keep missing them when they come to DC. They're playing here in August on a night when i can't make it.

steve k, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

He generally liked Yerba Buena, though he said sometimes they seemed too much like an eclectic mixtape.

I hope they aren't doomed to being a model of unfulfilled potential. Given the people involved, these projects should be good, but maybe the various threads never quite pull together. (Oddly, when I read the NYT online I always forget to check the music reviews.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

I can't stand this singer (as can't (?) some timba fans as well):

Aramis Galindo
Tiempos Que Cambian
CD (Universal/Pimienta) 2005
Red hot salsa-timba-Cubana from vocalist Aramis Galindo -- his first release in four years! Review to follow shortly. (BP, 26-Jul-05)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

Here are photos (I just recently discovered) from some Philadelphia salsa venues. (Skip down past the performance stuff near the top of the page.) A lot of people I don't recognize here. Being away from things for a couple years really makes a difference. But I've danced with Vivian. I've always been a little scared by her cuteness and how well (and sensually) she dances, but she's actually a pretty approachable and friendly salsera, at least in my experience.

I'm not sure what the point of linking to these is, since still photos of social salsa dancing generally don't look like much of anything.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

Fruko y Sus Tesos - "Soy Como Soy".

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 30 July 2005 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

(Forgot to say this is from last year.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 30 July 2005 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

Yomo Toro reissue. He really is quite great from what I've heard of him.

Oh, another one too: More Yomo Toro. I was just thinking about him lately. It would be nice to have more instrumental Latin music (but not Latin jazz) on hand.

(New Daddy Yankee too: one is live, and I'm not sure if the other one is really his new studio album which I thought hadn't come out yet, or if it's some old material getting reissued now. I thought that already happened earlier this year, but maybe descarga.com is just picking it up now.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

(I think this was originally released in 2001.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

I think Yomo played on lots of classic salsa releases in addition to his more folkloric efforts.

steve k, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

From a review of : Juan De Marcos And Afro Cuban All Stars Step Forward (Full review at: http://www.planbmag.com/content/view/313/39/):

As the foxtrot drums of 'Adivinador' smooch with squelching synth lines, and all the fizz and pop of an Usher track is contained within 'Barbaridad', the music feels like archive material yet is undoubtedly the basis of today's commercial rhythms and avant-garde arrangements.

"Foxtrot drums"? I don't know what that means, but I doubt the reviewer did either. The track doesn't feel like a fox trot to me (and it's labeled a "timba guaguanco"). "Adivinador" sounds like contemporary Cuban music. It is pretty instantaneously recognizable as timba, and I doubt that anything like it would have been recorded prior to the 90s. (The other track mentioned also has timba elements.)

Step Forward is not middle-class soirée fodder or Santana-esque novelty cash-in, but an essential trip into the fundamental structures of rhythm, harmony and soul.

I get a little tired of the gratuitous Santana-bashing. Lots of Afro-Latin music enthusiasts appreciate at least some of Santana's work, including Juan de Marcos himself, as the interview excerpt below indicates (unless I'm misreading what de Marcos is implying):

Is it my imagination, or is there a bit of influence of the Grupo de Experimentación Sonora and Leo Brouwer in one or two of the tracks on Step Forward?

I haven’t noticed it, but it’s very likely. The two things which pushed me to abandon rock as a form of expression were the Grupo de Experimentaciòn with Brouwer, Silvio Rodríguez, etc and the albums of Carlos Santana which fused Cuban elements with sixties and seventies rock. The Grupo de Experimentaciòn established a very innovative way of interpreting the Cuban music of its time. Leo Brouwer, in particular, is a Mozart of this era.--http://www.fly.co.uk/fly/archives/2005/06/juan_de_marcos_gonzalez_-_stepping_forward_and_setting_the_record_straight.html

(Why was I reading a review of a Cuban CD at planbmag.com to begin with, you may wonder? I have been trying to find out who sings on what songs, and this review is now one of the first hits Google brings up.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 11 August 2005 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

Marvin Santiago: "Vasos de Colores".

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 12 August 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

This has nothing in particular to do with 2005, although Marvin Santiago did die last year, and I'm only now getting around to hearing some of the things that probably established his reputation. I've also just discovered he's the one singing on Bobby Valentin's "Jibaro y la Naturaleza," from 1976.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 12 August 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
Salsa makes me happy, it's very simple really. Who would not want to dance and be happy? (If it doesn't work that way for you, then, well, of course, that's a different matter.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

The percussion and brass help create such a warm and energetic body moving sound.

steve k, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 05:40 (nineteen years ago)

Pupy [Cesar Pedroso] y Los Que Son Son's Mi Timba Cerrá (2005) is mostly really good so far. I think I like this better than the other two solo albums I've heard from him. He's one of the few Cuban timba figures who salsa fans that aren't into timba nevertheless like; but he's also one of the most popular artists in Cuba right now. I'll try to be more specific about it later.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

I've been reading the enthusiastic attention he's been getting in the Beat magazine and figure I've got to get one of those recent cds he has out.

steve k, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

This is easily the best of the lot, for what my opinion is worth.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

I heard a good song from the debut (and 2005 release) by 3D, Ritmo de Vida. Don't know the song title, unfortunately.

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Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

(Please give a shit about Latin music, okay?)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:55 (nineteen years ago)

(For Children's Hospital. . .)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:56 (nineteen years ago)

I care. Alas, I've been too busy with the dayjob(and doing work at night and weekends lately for that job) to go out dancing and/or see Victor Manuelle at that Labor Day festival outside DC (no reviews of it in the local papers either).

I wish a New Yorker would report here on the 30th New York Salsa Festival that took place Saturday night Sept. 10th at Madison Square Garden with Victor Manuelle, India, Tito Rojas,Oscar D'leon, La Sonora Poncena, and N'Klabe...

steve k, Sunday, 11 September 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Miguel "Anga" Diaz's Echu Mingua is good (I'd probably give it four stars, if I gave out stars), though it doesn't really belong on this thread. It's kind of Afro-Cuban free jazz, or backpacker rumba, a Cuban answer to the Thirsty Ear Blue Series sort of thing? Sort of. Just calling it "Latin jazz" would be pretty misleading.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 16 September 2005 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm, I think it's better with headphones.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 16 September 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

That's another one that a columnist or 2 in the Beat Magazine likes (and you as well), and that I should probably get.

steve-k, Friday, 16 September 2005 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

That's probably where I found out about it (either that or Songlines). It hasn't come out on Nonesuch yet in the US, but I think that's supposed to happen this year. (I went through what turned out to be a lot of hassle to get a copy of the World Circuit release.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 16 September 2005 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

I saw 2 of the Oman percussion and dance (and conch shell) groups yesterday, but wasn't able to make it for any Spanish-speaking groups.

Delayed response: Interesting. One of my stand-out memories of the William Cepeda Grupo Afro-Boricua (or something like that) show was Cepeda's playing a conch shell.

Also, re: "I Love Salsa!", it looks like Victor Manuelle wrote that song, so now he's had success as a singer, writer, and producer. It's a funny in a way, a goofy (and perfectly obvious) attempt at creating pro-salsa propaganda (in the form of a salsa song, no less) to retain a younger Latino audience--with results that are actually pretty catchy and danceable (although widely frowned on by hardcore salseros).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 17 September 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

I heard a good song from the debut (and 2005 release) by 3D

Correction: it's their first Latin album, not their first album.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://mobile.goo.ne.jp/con_search.jsp?MT=MARIA+SE+FUE&HOST=&CONTENT=mld

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://mattgy.net/music/archives/2005/09/07/pick-me-up-afrocuba/

curmudgeon, Friday, 23 September 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

I have my 04/05 mix pretty well pinned down unless something surprises me in the next three months. (Well, that could happen.) I think there is some fantastic stuff on it. It weakens as I introduce the most ultra-pop things toward the middle, but there were some songs I wanted in there because I've enjoyed them every time I've heard them when I'm out (and there has to be at least one token acknowledgement of reggaeton, though there aren't gonna be any actual reggaeton tracks). I've also put together fairly satisfactory mixes (=compilations) for 01/02 and 02/03, not particularly noteworthy years for salsa releases. (These would be easier if I were letting myself include songs I put on that Super Salsa Club Super Hits Mix.)

For established ILXors only, no random googlers.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 26 September 2005 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

Some things that will be different about the 04/05 mix: more Cuban music (and any at all would probably be more, in this case); some tracks that can be considered Latin jazz (and otherwise a tendency toward a heavily jazz-influenced approach); more variety overall (particularly noticeable in instrumentation, but also rhythmically, etc.), like the classic salsa mix; more relatively smooth, quiet, songs (that nonetheless are not salsa romantica).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 26 September 2005 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

I've never asked you for one before. Can you e-mail me at
ritmika at hotmail.com -Steve

curmudgeon, Monday, 26 September 2005 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, I'll send you a message (and a mix). I might wait until the end of the year to send them out though, just in case I want to make changes. (I had caught your name change too, incidentally.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 26 September 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
The Beat 24#5 review of The Roough Guide to Salsa Dance: Second Edition: ". . . one cool aspect is that it avoids using only the biggest names in favor of newer artists, and the quality doesn't drop even the the program goes from, say, Fruko or Africando to somebody preiovusly obscure. In fact the second song, by Grupo Gale, outdoes the big boys with its jaw-dropping percussive break."

I guess this means Grupo Gale is vastly more obscure than Fruko y Sus Tesos. Hahaha.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

Grupo Niche has a new album. Will report as I find out more. If audio clips sounds halfway decent, I'll probably just go out and buy it.

I'm hoping to see them in Philadelphia on Saturday, along with a bunch of other people. Kind of glad I don't have tickets already, since I'm not feeling well, and there's not guarantee I'll be ready to go out on Saturday. I hope I can get tickets at the last minute.

(I don't know what happened to the cool little announcement I was given about it.)


For the Love of Salsa

WORLD’S BEST SALSALEROS BRING “THE LOVE OF SALSA” TO LIACOURAS CENTER ON SATURDAY OCTOBER 22

(Philadelphia, PA--------September 7, 2005) The world’s most famous salsa musicians bring their brand of the wildly popular world music to the Liacouras Center stage on Saturday, October 22 at 8 p.m. Fans will have the opportunity to not just enjoy the sounds and sights of this musical phenomenon, but be able to hit the dance floor to show off their best moves.

Headlining the evening will be Columbian super-group Grupo Niche. Grupo Niche is comprised of lead singer Jairo Varela, joined by pianist Nicolas Cristanelo, bassist Francisco García, sax player Alí Garcés, trombonist Alexis Lozano, percussionist Luis Pacheco, singers Jorge Bassam, and Héctor Viveros. Fans can expect to hear a healthy blend of salsa, Latin pop and tropical musical stylings.

Co-headlining will be Ismael Miranda who is no stranger to the international sensation of salsa music. Known as the “Pretty Boy” of salsa, Miranda is a veteran of the music business, who started performing in his native Puerto Rico at the age of 12. Miranda has played such landmark venues as the Copacabana Nightclub in New York City and national events like the Jerry Lewis Telethon.

The evening will also include performances by such noted salsa musicians as Adalberto Santiago, Herman Oliveras, Yolanda Rivera, Paquito Guzman, Michael Stuart and many, many more.

A portion of the proceeds from “For The Love Of Salsa” will be donated to ASPIRA, the only national nonprofit organization devoted solely to the education and leadership development of Puerto Rican and other Latino youth. ASPIRA takes its name from the Spanish verb aspirar, "aspire."

The Liacouras Center, a 10,060 seat multipurpose entertainment facility located on the main campus of Temple University, hosts concerts, family shows, trade shows, lecture series, sporting events and the Temple University’s men’s and women’s basketball teams. For more information call 215-204-2400 or online visit www.liacourascenter.com.

Global Spectrum, the fastest growing firm in the public assembly facility management field with more than 40 facilities throughout the United States and Canada, manages the Liacouras Center. The Philadelphia-based company is part of one of the world’s largest sports and entertainment firm Comcast-Spectacor, which also owns the Wachovia Center and Wachovia Spectrum, the Philadelphia Flyers of the National Hockey League, the Philadelphia 76ers of the National Basketball Association, the Philadelphia Phantoms of the American Hockey League, Flyers Skate Zone, a series of community ice skating rinks, Comcast SportsNet, a regional sports programming network, Ovations Food Services, a food and beverage services provider, and New Era Tickets, a full-service ticketing and marketing product for public assembly facilities. Comcast-Spectacor owns three minor league baseball teams - the Bowie Baysox, the Delmarva Shorebirds and the Frederick Keys - all affiliates of the Baltimore Orioles.


When:
Saturday, October 22, 2005


Where:
Liacouras Center

Ticket Information:
$50, $60 and $100 Tickets for the October 22nd performance are on sale now. Tickets start at $50 for general admission, $60 for concert and access to the dance floor, and a limited number of $100 VIP ticket packages are still available. Tickets can be purchased at the Liacouras Center box office (cash only), and ticket outlets Centro Musical, Pachanga Records, Luis Records, Selcto Musical, Disco Hit, House of Music, Manilo Video, Listo Envio, all Ticketmaster locations, charge by phone at 215-336-2000 or on-line at www.ticketmaster.com.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Why they mention Ismael Miranda performing for the Jerry Lewis Telethon is beyond me. Good lord. The man was one of the Fania crew. His best days are almsot certainly behind him, but mentioning the Jerry Lewis thing doesn't help matters. (He did put out an album this year that has done pretty well, but I don't particularly like it.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

I hope this isn't going to be one of those salsa shows where there is no place to dance. Don't program salsa bands without a dance floor, please.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

This was a good show. I was disappointed that there was not a better turnout, but that probably has to do with poor marketing. (The lowest priced tickets were about $50, which is cheap for around five or six hours of music featuring the performers mentioned above.)

I ended up not dancing (with partners anyway) very much, mostly because I wanted to watch the performers, since I'd never seen any of them before, and I may not have the opportunity to see some of the older ones again.

Highlights. . .

Grupo Niche were tight and had a strong stage presence. They played: "Cali Pachanguero," "Etnia," "Una Aventura," "Culebra," "La Negra No Quiere," and a couple others I didn't recognize. There were some (pleasantly) rowdy Colombians down toward the front, near me, (before the beginning of the VIP area, which was actually closer to the stage).

I'm really glad I got to see former Sonora Poncena singer Yolanda Rivera. Her voice is not so hot, but she was utterly convincing as the embodiment of a Puerto Rican rumbera. She also threw in an impressive timbale solo. I hadn't realized that she played percussion, but I'm not surprised considering the level of rhythmic mastery Sonora Poncena generally displays. (She performed "Ahora Si" among other songs.)

Violinist Alfredo de la Fe looks a lot older than he did in the most recent pictures I had seen. I would like to have heard more of him. (He started playing with his back toward the audience, a la Miles Davis, and someone else on stage walked over and turned him to face the audience. A bit later, he turned away again. I don't know if that's a running schtick or not.)

The biggest surprise for me was Michael Stuart. When he came on, I sat down, to rest my feet, since I didn't think I'd miss anything by not paying attention to him. He started off with a boring hit that I recognized. However, as he continued to sing, it began to dawn on me that he was actually a very good sonero. As he moved away from his hit material and got into something more hardcore, he was getting better and better. Apparently he has a reputation for being very different as a live performer than he is on studio recordings. (So far there have been no official live recordings, as far as I know.)

Luisitio Carrion came on last, sang one song himself, and then brought most of the other singers back on stage for an extended numbmer. He's a live-wire, and his vocal twitchiness made more sense to me, seeing him in person.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 31 October 2005 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

It did leave me feeling like the member of an esoteric religion or sect (Zoroastrianism, maybe) that meant everything to me, but that was nevertheless fading away. The transcendent reality (which flashed out, for example, in a timbale solo during Grupo Niche's set) could never become "obsolete," but social forms being subject to impermanence as they are, the particular expression might pass away (or at least become all but invisible to the larger society).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 31 October 2005 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

I know what you mean regarding getting that feeling regarding a social form that you embrace being invisible to the larger society.

So, N'klabe are doing a poorly publicized late-night show in DC tonight, but I do not think I will attend.

I was listening to a Los Van Van collection out now as part of a "Cuba essentials" series which includes only tracks recorded at Egram. For some reason I am underwhelmed despite my memories of having liked the vinyl album of theirs that I have, and having liked them live. Maybe I need to listen to it again.

I also have been listening to some Kip Hanrahan Latin-jazz/spoken word/funk whatever efforts that are now getting released here. Pretty uneven--some impressive bits but other cliched avante-jazz with poetry stuff that is not for me.

curmudgeon, Monday, 31 October 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of N'Klabe, they have just released a Special Edition of I Love Salsa, with big-time guest vocalists (even Cheo Feliciano). Victor Manuelle appears on the second track, which I think is the one I thought sounded like a Victor Manuelle song anyway.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

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Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think they are trying to convert teenagers, I think they are going for the pre-adolescent girls with this band's image.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

I accidentally raised my hands when Grupo Niche shouted out for all the Colombians in the audience to shout back. I thought they were calling for a more general "Que viva la salsa!" type of response. I felt pretty stupid. I'm lucky nobody started to speak to me in Spanish. (Actually, by the end of the evening that did happen, but the context made it clear what was meant ("Don't let anyone take my spot--I will be right back"), and anyway, the speaker caught on to the fact that I was a gringo and said the same thing in English.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:26 (nineteen years ago)

Yo comprendo. My Spanish is terrible.

I'm gonna be busy with the relatives over Thanksgiving weekend and will miss Spanish Harlem Orchestra with El Canario and someone else in D.C. This has been advertised in one Spanish-language paper, and maybe on Spanish-language radio.

I owe you some music in exchange for that great mix of yours.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

Older Cuban pianist with curious Monkesque moments:

Peruchín - "Guaguanco Callejero"

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 3 November 2005 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of recent Sacodisc reissues (mostly originally targeting the African market) look extremely promising, and I highly recommend them, even though I have yet to hear a single one.

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(See latest www.descarga.com editor's picks for recent examples. I can't find a site for Sacodisc itself. It all seems pretty obscure.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

I just like the idea of something being recorded in Curacao, for the irrelevant reason that Curacao has its own peculiar salsa basic step, something odd like: the men step back on their right on the 3rd count.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

Did you learn to dance via lessons, or just by dancing with friends?

On the one or on the 2? If I won the lottery I would use some of my time to learn Spanish and take dance lessons(and practice practice).

curmudgeon, Friday, 4 November 2005 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'm afraid I learned through lots and lots of private lessons and group classes (combined with actually going out and dancing, of course). If I had had to depend on the kindness of strangers in clubs, I think I would have given up long ago. I have a Puerto Rican friend who feels very strongly that the best way to learn is to have sympathetic partners sort of teach you on the dance floor (almost backleading, in the case of a female teaching a lead), but I don't think she realizes just how pie-in-the-sky that is for most of us. My impression is that most Latinos in Philadelphia are more interested in hagning out with each other than in acculturating non-Latinos on the dance-floor (for which I don't blame them in the least, incidentally). Anyhow, regardless of what my friend says, most of the best Latino dancers I've seen around here also have formal training of some sort. And I'm really leery of this idea of a follower "almost backleading" to show what sort of things are possible. I think it can create bad habits.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

I have taken swing and zydeco lessons and you encounter the same issues. Some friend of mine used to refer to the elite, insular swing dancers as "the swing dance mafia." If I was a great dancer though, I am not sure I would want to dance with beginners too much either, to be honest.

curmudgeon, Friday, 4 November 2005 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

What I realize lately is that I sometimes end up getting caught outside two different sub-groups: (1) the group of those Latinos who are mostly coming out to be with other Latinos and (2) the very best dancers (salsa mafia, whatever). In some cases with the second group, it's just that the followers are in such demand that if you don't move extremely quickly, they get snapped up.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

(Oh, I never answered: I dance on the one, like most salseros in Philadelphia, or for that matter, like most salseros in the world.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

Eddie Palmieri is going to appear on Victor Manuelle's next album, and the two may be performing together in the future. This is very big stuff. I wish they would do an entire album together, with Palmieri largely in charge.

The new Grupo Niche is pretty good and sounds (not too surprisingly) like a continuation of what they did on their last album. My favorite song so far is "Que Viva Puerto Rico."

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Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

Also, a Victor Manuelle/Gilberto Santa Rosa live performance recording will be issued on CD with some new material. (I don't think I've ever seen this anywhere, although I may have heard some of it on streaming radio a long while back.)


Palmieri con Víctor Manuelle

Martes, 8 de noviembre de 2005

Por Jaime Torres Torres


“Tener la oportunidad de colaborar con el maestro Eddie Palmieri es una de
las satisfacciones más grandes de mi carrera. Desde que comenzó mi
admiración por la música tropical él ha sido uno de mis ídolos. Estoy bien
emocionado con las posibilidades de esta colaboración”, dijo Víctor a El
Nuevo Día, dejando entrever que podrían colaborar, incluso, en futuros
conciertos.

La orquesta la integran Ronny Cuber, Johnny Rodríguez, José Clausel, Nelson
Jaime, Johnny Torres, Papo Vázquez, Johnny Rivero y otros músicos que
trabajan con Palmieri.

“Ese joven es muy talentoso, humilde y escribe muy bien. Me siento
satisfecho. Grabamos en vivo, en un estudio de Nueva York, de un cantazo. El
me llamó para decirme que deseaba tenerme en su disco y lo complací”, señaló
Palmieri.

La salsa necesita de iniciativas como la de Víctor Manuelle, quien es el
puente entre la presente generación de salseros y la del futuro.

Por si fuera poco, pronto lo escucharemos cantando con Gilberto Santa Rosa
el explosivo número Dos soneros, un masacote de swing y sabor que será la
punta de lanza del cd homónimo grabado hace dos años durante el concierto
que presentaron en el Coliseo Roberto Clemente.

Inexplicablemente, fue pirateado, pero el bono realizado en el estudio de
José Lugo con el Caballero de la Salsa justifica la adquisición del álbum
oficial.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

Cool. I always get the impression from Palmieri these days that jazz is where his heart is, and that salsa is just something he once was involved with in the past. Perhaps I am wrong--I haven't heard those La Perfecta releases where he revisits his past so maybe I should keep quiet. But every time I have seen him live its the discordant numbers that seem to make him most happy.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a little puzzled by that comment. Listen Here! was his first all-jazz album in several years. I think he likes to go back and forth between salsa and Latin jazz. When he does make salsa, it's off quite danceable, which I don't expect from someone whose hear is really in jazz. "Malagueña Salerosa" (1998), "El Puente Mundial" (2000, a cha cha cha w/ Tito Puente), and "La Voz del Caribe" are all strong Latin dance material. I do get the sense that maybe these things are almost too easy for him to toss off at this point in his career. That's why, even though I am not very interested in his Latin jazz projects, I think it's good when he goes off and does something that challenges him, so that he can come back to salsa with some new ideas. (That's the other thing: his salsa recordings since the late 90s do sound a little too similar to each other.) Also, there's no reason to assume that being into dissonance necessarily means not being into salsa. There's room for it in salsa and I think maybe it would help wake things up.

I didn't especially like his La Perfecta II albums.

To return to the Victor Manuelle collaborations: as I've said ad nauseum, I don't think anyone except Marc Anthony is more commercially successful than Manuelle as a salsa singer (at least for the market that's covered by Billboard--maybe a more international measure of success would throw Oscar D'Leon into second place). But he also happens to be a great singer, who is commonly praised for his voice and singing, but gets criticized for the material/arrangements/production. Put him together with Palmieri and I think you're going to get a product that is much more solid. At the same time, it's been a while since Palmieri has worked with a vocalist who has a strong vocal personality as strong as Manuelle's. (I like Herman Olivera, but I do get a little tired of hearing him all over the place.) I am having a hard time even imagining what the two would sound like together. (On the other hand, if Palmieri is really just being pulled in to play piano and that's it, then it might not make that much difference, but it surely will be a nice change from hearing Sergio George all the time.) I am looking forward to this new Victor Manuelle album in a way I haven't looked forward to an album since I've been posting to ILM.

I find it interesting that Palmieri is quoted as saying that Manuelle is a good writer, in that article. He's definitely starting to wrack up some hits as a songwriter, but I'm surprised Palmieri would have that sort of respect for him.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of Palmieri and Latin jazz, I'm listening to Listen Here! and I'm really glad I didn't buy a copy. So far it's the usual boring Latin jazz crap. I'm sorry, but this stuff typically does nothing for me. And I don't hear him stretching that much here. (The trumpet flourish at the beginning of the same track reminds me of similar things on a number of other songs by him, and all of it reminds me of Heatwave's "Grooveline." I wonder if that's where he got the idea.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

A little late, but I just came across this posted elsewhere, from the Los Angeles Times, Thursday, August 18, 2005. I think it's totally on the money (except that the CD originally came out in 04!).


Anthony Blea y Su Charanga

"Virgen de la Caridad"

(Rumba Jams)

Here's the surprise salsa release of the year, a first-rate
production coming not from New York or Havana but from the heart of
San Francisco's Mission District. Blea, a third-generation Mexican
American and a classically trained violinist, fronts an accomplished
band that displays as much fire as finesse. His charanga sound
(heavy on flutes and violins) is both smooth and smoldering, a smart
fusion of straight-ahead salsa with measured doses of aggressive
Cuban timba. Except for the title track, all the tunes were written
by Cuban brothers Yunior and Eladio Terry. The set includes two
lively and lovely instrumentals featuring guest spots by East Coast
veterans Jimmy Bosch (trombone) and Alfredo de la Fe (violin). While
New York is caught up in a '70s nostalgia wave, Blea and his West
Coast cohorts show how to keep the salsa hot and fresh.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 11 November 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.salsaderosa.com/images/salsa%20pics%20003.jpg

MESTEMA (davidcorp), Friday, 11 November 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

OMG that's a good one.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 11 November 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

You and Tito Puente.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 11 November 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe you guys didn't just get that out one of the way.

MESTEMA (davidcorp), Friday, 11 November 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

This is showing for free Monday night at 7 in a tiny little theater in the Library of Congress in D.C.

"Salsa" (Salsa, Inc./Fania Records, 1976). Dir Jerry Masucci & Leon Gast. (80 min, 35mm)
Documentary and performance film centering around the historic 1973 Yankee Stadium concert by the Fania All Stars featuring Celia Cruz, Ray Barretto, Willie Colon, Larry Harlow, Johnny Pacheco, Mongo Santamaria, Ricardo Ray, Bobby Cruz, Billy Cobham, Manu Dibango, and various stars of the Latin music scene in New York and Puerto Rico.

curmudgeon (Steve K), Saturday, 12 November 2005 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
I have been illegally downloading and buying recordings of older styles of Afro-Latin music (plus some newer Cuban things), trying to see how far I can stretch, and also because it just seems that it would make sense that I would find things there that I would. For the most part, I'm not taking to these other things. Why in the world did I buy a 3-CD Peruchin collection on the basis of having heard one track I liked on the radio? I have so much money to throw away? Really? It's not that I hate it, but mostly it's just kind of there. Jury is still out on the Yomo Toro CD, which I like more, although it's awfully European-sounding and romantic in a classical music sort of way, at times anyway. Sometimes it sounds like Italian restaurant music to me. When I hear him on salsa CDs, his playing is usually earthier sounding. But there are a lot of terrific melodies (all by the same composer) on this CD. Rumba and Santeria/Yoruba/etc. religious music can be nice, but I rarely actually love it. Machito and Benny More are still too old and different for me, though I might have more of a chance of getting into More than Machito. His boleros maybe.

Boleros in general: yes, that would be one way for me to go back into Afro-Latin music of the past.

But anyway, maybe I am getting ready to start listening to a little more English language music (see Kate Bush Aerial thread), and I'm feeling like I have a pretty good sense of what Latin music I do or don't like. I thought it would be a really good idea to turn to as much Latin music as possible to find instrumental music (partly the reason for the Peruchin and Yomo Toro purchases), but now I'm thinking: not everything needs to be related. Maybe I should turn to some modern classical lite things (like Lou Harrison, Terry Riley, etc.) that I might enjoy more. I had the idea that listening to stuff like Machito and Peruchin would deepen my appreciation for salsa, but it doesn't seem to give me any greater appreciation or understanding. (And why would I need to deepend my appreciation anyway? I am already positively floored by many of the salsa classics I've heard this year.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

This is out now (live recording of Victor Manuelle and Gilberto Santa Rosa together):

http://www.sonymusicstore.com/coverimages/SME_2420_TRK_095615.70Q_200x200_72dpi_RGB.jpg

I don't know why I am not more anxious to buy it, except that I am already over-budget for the year.

And I somehow missed this, a Christmas CD with GSR and El Gran Combo, the first time I scrolled across it:

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This might be good, though I am unfamiliar with the artist:

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Welsare Y Su Orquesta Platino
...Mi Tierra

Import CD (Envidia 6348), Released 2005;
Editor's Pick: The record opens with the first slow Colombian salsa tune I’ve ever heard. It takes its time to take off, too. But Welsare, a singer from San Juan in Colombia, moves slowly, grooving his way through a baritone saxophone, trumpets, great gear-like piano figures, and a nice enough coro. This is serious late night salsa, unrushed, amazingly recorded, swinging, well sung, in tune. What gets me the most are its tempos, easy, relaxed, chilled-out without being sluggish. The band takes rhythm as art, the art of the medium slow burned groove, and I like it; it feels really, really good. Nothing like it out there, at all. Since when did dance music slow down?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

Just listened to clips from the GSR/VM CD. Now I want it immediately.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Bizarro new series of salsa compilations from Universal Colombia, Gladiadores De La Salsa--oddly packaged, with no apparent focus, but lots of quality material:


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The cover art is kind of like what Sonora Poncena usually puts on its covers. The tracks seem like a mix of the obvious, like the overanthologized "Lloraras" by Oscar D'Leon, and the somewhat unexpected (Eddie Palmieri "Cafe"). At a glance, I bet any of these would make a pretty good random sort of salsa sampler for music from the 80s through the end of the 90s.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 1 December 2005 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

I am at home with sinuses, so here's a song by Cortijo and his Combo with Ismael Rivera. It's good:

http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1E4HP7JWGDGQN1B8JB2Q36WPU0

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

This looks like a good mp3 blog, with a fair amount of Afro-Latin stuff. The connected blogs also look worth checking out:

http://www.barriomulas.com/blog/archives/music/mp3s/index.shtml

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 3 December 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

Bought the GSR/VM live CD that just came out. I'm a little disappointed that these versions stay so close to the script established by the studio versions. As much as I like these two singers (at least when I do like them), I'm not sure they work together all that well as a duo. Less energy than I would prefer. It's still good though, and I am only part of the way through it.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 4 December 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

On the other hand, this GSR/El Gran Combo collaboration is really good, two or three songs into it anyway, and GSR's singing seems extremely strong to me here.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 4 December 2005 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

I am no longer anticipating that damned Victor Manuelle album that's going to have Eddie Palmieri on it. It will probably be another disappointment.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 4 December 2005 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

I am holding out hope for La Llave De Oro - Alfredo De La Fé Y Fruko.

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Could be good: Don Perignon: Con Sabor A Don Perignon. Includes a couple tracks featuring Victor Manuelle (though his song on Don Perignon's CD last year was a bit of a let-down to me) as well as guest appearances by pianist, and all-around legend, Papo Lucca.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

Grammy nominations:

Salsa/Merengue Album: "Son Del Alma," Willy Chirino; "Fabricando Fantasias," Tito Nieves; "Llego La Hora," Mayito Rivera; "Despues Del Silencio," Eddie Santiago; "Arroz Con Mango," Tiempo Libre.

Willy Chirino (isn't it Willie? maybe not)? Who exactly is listening to Willy Chirino? The Tito Nieves album was okay for a few weeks but I got burned out on it quickly. It's not terrible. I haven't heard the Mayito Rivera CD. Eddie Santiago? Best known for salsa romantica hits from about ten years ago, some of which I actually like, but I'd be really really surprised if he had come out with an album deserving a Grammy.

The big surprise here though is Tiempo Libre, an album on the Shanachie label by a timba band based in Miami, one that is not even all that famous in what is a fairly obscure niche to begin with. Maybe the fact that a lot of people are saying they are the first really convincing U.S. timba band to emerge (and they are in Miami) has a lot to do with it. It's still kind of a surprise. I thought it was a pretty good album, for a genre I mostly don't enjoy.

I don't keep track of release dates to know exactly what I'd suggest instead. 2005 hasn't been a good year for salsa albums at all, but 2004 was pretty good (measured against recent years).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 11 December 2005 01:58 (nineteen years ago)

(I think most of my favorites did in fact come out the first half of the year though. Odd, I could swear I remember listening to that Tito Nieves CD in August, but then it couldn't be eligible.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 11 December 2005 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmmm. Looks like it came out 9/14/04, which should make it ineligible. Maybe no one worries about the salsa nominations to begin with.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 11 December 2005 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

I'm listening to the first track of the Mayito Rivera album that got nominated and damn if it isn't really good, but this is probably more salsa cubana than timba. (I think genre terms, in general, aren't much use unless you are one of the initiated who understand what is being said.) My least favorite thing is probably his singing, but the band and the coro sound great.

Second track. Rhythmically this is really pretty solidly salsa. This kind of constant cowbell seems very atypical of contemporary Cuban stuff. (On the other hand, there are other rhythmic counter-patterns that seem very Cuban.)

I do get the sense that Cuba is kind of shifting around musically. Things seem restless in a good way. I have to admit that even all this changui/timba stuff, which I don't particularly like, seems very much alive.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

"Maybe the fact that a lot of people are saying they are the first really convincing U.S. timba band to emerge (and they are in Miami) has a lot to do with it. It's still kind of a surprise."

I think I read somewhere that labels merely need to submit names of artists, and send in a bio to get them considered for nominations(and then a few folks have to agree). Is the ballot period from Sept. 1, 2004 to Sept. 30, 2005?

curmudgeon (Steve K), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

Mayito Rivera: Negrito Bailador

http://babymarquez.clarence.com/img/mario%20mayito%20rivera.jpg

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 15 December 2005 03:54 (nineteen years ago)

The new Grupo Niche is pretty good

Actually, it's just marginally acceptable.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

FWIW, Descarga.com Best of 2005 list.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

I have to wonder if they've actually heard the Welsare Y Su Orquesta Platino CD. Why would they possibly list that, other than the fact that it is relatively slow is supposed to be so interesting?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

Of the descarga.com best of list that I've heard, here are some impressions:

Bimbo G: Ahora Me Toca A Mi!!! (Envidia) 2005

Eh, overrated. A lot of second-hand seeming dancehall style rapping over somewhat boring salsa, at least on limited listens.

Edwin Clemente Timbal Pa'l Bailador (E&E Records) 2005

This is actually seems like very strong dance-oriented salsa, as they say.

Juicy & Eric (José Juicy Jusino & Eric Vélez): Huracan (Diamond Records) 2005

Hardly any big deal. Just okay.

Pablo "Chino" Nuñez: It's SHO Time: Strictly Hardcore On 1 Or 2 - Tribute To The Dancers (Cookita Records) 2005

I would like to like this but it's basically more of the same Spanish Harlem Orchestra offshoot sound, and only one track really kind of grabs me.

Eddie Palmieri: Listen Here! (Concord) 2005

I didn't like this, but I like hardly any straight-ahead Latin jazz.

Cesar Pedroso "Pupy": Mi Timba Cerrá (Egrem) 2005

I really love one song on this, and like about three others, but there's some other material that annoys me a lot (like the title track that reminds me of the "World Cafe" theme music).

Mayito Rivera: Llego La Hora (Universal/Pimienta) 2005

As I've been saying, this is mostly really good. I had "Negrito Bailador" stuck in my head this morning. I also particularly like the bolero at the end. Definitely one of the few salsa CDs from this year that I could strongly recommend.

Soneros All Star: ¡Dime Nagüe! (Universal/Pimienta) 2005

Again, this is a genre (changui) that is not my cup of tea, but there seems to be a lot of energy here.

Willie Sotelo Y La Mundial De La Salsa: Hijos De La Salsa Gorda (Envidia) 2005

I would have chosen the Puerto Rican Masters tribute to Marvin Santiago over this. They share some of the same personnel. This is okay, but I'm kind of thinking of it as the Puerto Rican equivalent of the SHO/Soneros del Barrio cover/tribute -oriented, self-consciously old-school model. I think Luisito Carrion has the potential to become a leading sonero. (Maybe he already is.) I wish he would clear his throat or something. The mucous-y sound can get kind of disgusting at certain points. He was very entertaining when I saw him live, I hope he's not a coke-fiend, because his energy-level seemed a little unnatural.

Welsare Y Su Orquesta Platino: ...Mi Tierra (Envidia) 2005

Too bright and slow, or something like that.

Various Artists - La Rumba Soy Yo II: Con Sentimiento Mañana (BIS) 2005

A mix of rumba and modern Cuban popular music. I didn't like this too much.

I'm very interested in that Sos Lazaga CD, but I'm a little leery of Envidia, which puts out a lot of material, much of which comes close to being good but doesn't quite make it.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 23 December 2005 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

RS:

You can start the 2006 thread (if you haven't already--I haven't seen it in my quick search).

So I just discovered that Willie Colon is performing late tonight in DC. Is he still worth seeing?

I just discovered late last night that salsa legend Willie Colon is in town tonight Friday 1-6 (Alas, the gf is working and I'm not sure who else will want to go):

Contact Christopher@latinvip.com to obtain a no line no cover pass for the performance tonight by Salsa legend Willie Colon. You must be in the doors by 11:00pm.

H2O is located at 800 Water St SW in WDC.

curmudgeon, Friday, 6 January 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

RS, have you heard about this:

DC Welcomes Philly Salseros-Special Sunday Salsa With DJ Panel & Performances for Martin Luther King Holiday

Join us for a very special event at Zanzibar on Sunday, January 15, 2006 the day before the Martin Luther King holiday. DC will welcome Philly Salseros and feature DJ Jose & DJ Broadway with dance performances by Art in Motion form Philadelphia, along with Melao, Azucar Moreno, Manuel & Maddie, CC Villalobos & partner Nackapan, Tumbando (invited) and more. In addition all are encouraged to attend the DJ Panel from 8-9 pm. Learn about the music, selections made by your favorite DJs, their favorite groups, songs, music philosophies and more. The audience will also have the opportunity to ask questions. A special hand out will be provided to the first 50 to attend. Dancing begins at 9 pm until 2:00 am. The dress code is relaxed for this event and jeans are welcome. The list of participating DJs will be announced next week.

curmudgeon, Friday, 6 January 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

I hadn't noticed anything about that anywhere. Usual poorly done publicity probably. Maybe I have been seeing banner ads for it without registering it.

Quite honestly I'm not very interested in watching salsa dance performances. I don't find that a particularly positive trend. I like to watch good salsa dancing at clubs or parties, but the on-stage stuff tends to be too stagey, and if I'm going to watch a stage performance, I don't see why it should be limited to salsa dancing (i.e., I'd rather just watch an open-ended "jazz dance" sort of thing).

I'm also not terribly interested in salsa DJs. Do these guys really think they are stars? Elaborate mixing is neither required nor desired by most salseros. Most local DJs all play the same songs. Some DJs in Philadelphia have been putting themselves in the spotlight more, during club nights, with results I find embarrassing and annoying. What am I going to learn about la musica from these panels that I can't learn by reading salsa news groups, downloading, etc.?

If I go out Sunday night, I will probably go dancing. Oh wait, I just realized my rant is somewhat pointless, since there will be dancing and it starts early enough. Never mind. I'm still not really into the whole dance-troupe oriented atmosphere, but that seems to be the direction things are going in.

I would go see Willie Colon, but I've never seen him perform live (except for a brief part of a free outdoor concert I caught well before I was particularly interested in salsa).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)


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