P&J stats 2004

Plum Drank's bringing up the rear!

2003: 321 41.7 Joseph McCombs

Something to be said for consistency, I suppose.

I can live with that!

Voting for Kanye'll do that to you. I had five records no one else voted for, and I'm at 567/21.6 thanks to Van Lear Rose.

Congrats to all who were totally obscure! And thanks Glenn!

except for the, um, totally new pop cd's that constitute most of her list. which includes the new zombies record. and if the zombies are "sunshine" pop or sunshine anything, than so is, y'know, rob zombie.

That is awesome, and I liked his list. Go Ethan, wherever you are.

If, for whatever reason, you count only the ballots of voters who picked at least one album that nobody else picked, not a lot changes. The top 4 are the same. The Streets move up from 7 to 5, TV on the Radio from 12 to 6, and Modest Mouse from 8 to 7. Green Day drop from 5 to 8, U2 from 8 to 9, Arcade Fire from 6 to 10, and Danger Mouse drops out of the top 10.

If you count only the ballots of voters with poll seniority, which I arbitrarily defined as having a voter ID less than 2000, you get the same top 3, but a little more change below. Green Day moves up from 5 to 4, U2 from 8 to 5, Franz Ferdinand down from 4 to 6, Danger Mouse up from 10 to 7, Wilco up from 13 to 8, the Streets down from 7 to 9, and the Drive-By Truckers up from 16 to 10. Arcade Fire drop from 6 to 15. That all seems fairly unsurprising, I think.

If you take Kayne West's margin of victory as a benchmark for consensus, and count only the voters who voted for The College Dropout, the top 11 merely gets reshuffled: Loretta up from 3 to 2, FF from 4 to 3, Streets from 7 to 4, SMiLE down from 2 to 5, AF still at 6, Danger Mouse up from 10-7, Green Day down from 5 to 8, MM still at 9, Madvillain up from 11 to 10 and U2 down to 11.

And lastly, selfishly, if I take only the 57 voters who voted for Bjork, who got my #1 vote, the top 10 becomes:

1. Bjork
2. Kayne West
3. Brian Wilson
4. Franz Ferdinand
5. Loretta Lynn
6. Nellie McKay (up from 14)
7. TV on the Radio (up from 12)
8. Animal Collective (up from 21)
9. PJ Harvey (up from 33)
10. Green Day

Someone said on the anticipation thread that Kanye won by being a lot of people's #8, and backed it up, at least somewhat IIRC, by posting the average points The College Dropout got per voter who named it.

I gave all 10 of my albums 10 points each (as I did last year, which was my first ballot). This morning I was thinking, "Gee, what a logjam at the bottom. If I'd given the albums I was fairly sure no one else would vote for even one or two more points, they'd have jumped hundreds of places." At first I thought that would mean taking points away from other relatively obscure things, but then I realized that if I'd only given, say, Van Lear Rose 5 points, I could have given my unique votes an extra point apiece.

So maybe some people who downlisted College Dropout did so because they knew it was going to place highly anyway and wanted to give a few extra points to something obscure?

I have no idea whether anyone thinks this cunningly about it, or even cares that much about it. I don't even think I care that much about it. I also don't know how to prove this (and God knows Glenn's done enough), or even what it would prove. But there it is.

On the other hand, we all seem so proud of how low we scored on Glenn's stats (I know I am) ...

I got an idea! I'll get back to work now!

rank. Artist: Album (ppv, points/ballots, poll-ranking)

1. Foreign Exchange: Connected (13.44ppv, 121/9, #113)
2. Ambulance Ltd: Ambulance LTD (12.83ppv, 154/12, #84)
3. Arthur Russell: Calling Out of Context (12.43ppv, 174/14, #76)
4. Brian Wilson: SMiLE (12.4ppv, 2034/164, #2)
5. Thermals: Fuckin A (12.27ppv, 184/15, #71)
6. various: Goodbye Babylon (12ppv, 144/12, #96)
7. Hold Steady: Almost Killed Me (11.97ppv, 431/36, #31)
8. Go! Team: Thunder, Lightning, Strike (11.93ppv, 179/15, #73)
9. Death From Above 1979: You're a Woman, I'm a Machine (11.82ppv, 130/11, #101)
10. Green Day: American Idiot (11.69ppv, 1251/107, #5)
11. Patty Griffin: Impossible Dream (11.67ppv, 140/12, #98)
12. Fiery Furnaces: Blueberry Boat (11.64ppv, 617/53, #17)
13. Kanye West: The College Dropout (11.53ppv, 2826/245, #1)
14. Ex: Turn (11.5ppv, 115/10, #117)
15. Junior Boys: Last Exit (11.43ppv, 320/28, #41)
16. Bebel Gilberto: Bebel Gilberto (11.36ppv, 125/11, #107)
17. Alison Krauss and Union Station: Lonely Runs Both Ways (11.36ppv, 125/11, #107)
18. Xiu Xiu: Fabulous Muscles (11.23ppv, 146/13, #94)
19. Usher: Confessions (11.22ppv, 359/32, #35)
20. Black Keys: Rubber Factory (11.2ppv, 336/30, #38)
21. Talib Kweli: The Beautiful Struggle (11.18ppv, 123/11, #109)
22. !!!: Louden Up Now (11.15ppv, 145/13, #95)
23. Arcade Fire: Funeral (11.13ppv, 1169/105, #6)
24. Nas: Street's Disciple (11.1ppv, 233/21, #59)
25. Danger Mouse: The Grey Album (11.02ppv, 904/82, #10)
26. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds: Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus (11.02ppv, 474/43, #25)
27. Drive-by Truckers: The Dirty South (11ppv, 627/57, #16)
28. Joanna Newsom: The Milk-Eyed Mender (11ppv, 550/50, #20)
29. Van Hunt: Van Hunt (10.95ppv, 241/22, #57)
30. Nellie McKay: Get Away From Me (10.91ppv, 709/65, #14)
31. TV on the Radio: Desperate Youth, Blood Thirsty Babes (10.88ppv, 870/80, #12)
32. Tinariwen: Amassakoul (10.82ppv, 184/17, #71)
33. Loretta Lynn: Van Lear Rose (10.82ppv, 1785/165, #3)
34. Devendra Banhart: Rejoicing in the Hands (10.81ppv, 454/42, #28)
35. Big & Rich: Horse of a Different Color (10.77ppv, 334/31, #39)
36. Rilo Kiley: More Adventurous (10.74ppv, 709/66, #14)
37. U2: How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb (10.71ppv, 996/93, #8)
38. various: Rio Baile Funk: Favela Booty Beats (10.69ppv, 139/13, #99)
39. Animal Collective: Sung Tongs (10.69ppv, 545/51, #21)
40. Franz Ferdinand: Franz Ferdinand (10.67ppv, 1569/147, #4)
41. Stereolab: Margerine Eclipse (10.67ppv, 128/12, #106)
42. Cam'ron: Purple Haze (10.64ppv, 149/14, #93)
43. Scissor Sisters: Scissor Sisters (10.57ppv, 465/44, #26)
44. Streets: A Grand Don't Come For Free (10.55ppv, 1161/110, #7)
45. Dungen: Ta Det Lugnt (10.5ppv, 189/18, #69)
46. Youssou N'Dour: Egypt (10.49ppv, 388/37, #34)
47. Le Tigre: This Island (10.47ppv, 178/17, #74)
48. Fennesz: Venice (10.47ppv, 157/15, #80)
49. Mountain Goats: We Shall All Be Healed (10.46ppv, 293/28, #45)
50. Ponys: Laced With Romance (10.38ppv, 135/13, #100)
51. Libertines: The Libertines (10.38ppv, 436/42, #30)
52. Mastodon: Leviathan (10.38ppv, 218/21, #60)
53. M.I.A./Diplo: Piracy Funds Terrorism Volume 1 (10.38ppv, 519/50, #23)
54. Interpol: Antics (10.35ppv, 559/54, #19)
55. Modest Mouse: Good News for People Who Love Bad News (10.33ppv, 940/91, #9)
56. Faces: Five Guys Walk Into a Bar… (10.27ppv, 154/15, #84)
57. Ulrich Schnauss: A Strangely Isolated Place (10.25ppv, 123/12, #109)
58. MF Doom: Mm... Food? (10.21ppv, 143/14, #97)
59. Madvillain: Madvillainy (10.17ppv, 875/86, #11)
60. Morrissey: You Are the Quarry (10.17ppv, 356/35, #36)
61. Dears: No Cities Left (10.17ppv, 122/12, #111)
62. Comets On Fire: Blue Cathedral (10.15ppv, 203/20, #63)
63. Björk: Medulla (10.14ppv, 578/57, #18)
64. Killers: Hot Fuss (10.07ppv, 463/46, #27)
65. Tom Waits: Real Gone (10.05ppv, 442/44, #29)
66. Annie: Anniemal (10ppv, 150/15, #90)
67. Delays: Faded Seaside Glamour (10ppv, 130/13, #101)
68. Eagles Of Death Metal: Peace Love Death Metal (10ppv, 130/13, #101)
69. Patti Smith: Trampin' (10ppv, 130/13, #101)
70. Wilco: A Ghost Is Born (9.97ppv, 778/78, #13)
71. De La Soul: The Grind Date (9.81ppv, 255/26, #55)
72. RJD2: Since We Last Spoke (9.8ppv, 196/20, #66)
73. Dizzee Rascal: Showtime (9.78ppv, 489/50, #24)
74. Rufus Wainwright: Want Two (9.76ppv, 166/17, #78)
75. Buddy Miller: Universal United House of Prayer (9.75ppv, 234/24, #58)
76. Jolie Holland: Escondida (9.7ppv, 194/20, #67)
77. Gwen Stefani: Love.Angel.Music.Baby (9.69ppv, 155/16, #83)
78. Fall: The Real New Fall LP (9.67ppv, 116/12, #116)
79. Walkmen: Bows and Arrows (9.65ppv, 299/31, #43)
80. Gretchen Wilson: Here for the Party (9.63ppv, 289/30, #46)
81. Sam Phillips: A Boot and a Shoe (9.63ppv, 154/16, #84)
82. Futureheads: The Futureheads (9.6ppv, 288/30, #47)
83. Secret Machines: Now Here is Nowhere (9.59ppv, 278/29, #49)
84. Prince: Musicology (9.55ppv, 277/29, #50)
85. Tegan and Sara: So Jealous (9.55ppv, 191/20, #68)
86. Air: Talkie Walkie (9.53ppv, 305/32, #42)
87. Magnetic Fields: I (9.52ppv, 200/21, #65)
88. PJ Harvey: Uh Huh Her (9.49ppv, 408/43, #33)
89. Elvis Costello & the Imposters: The Delivery Man (9.46ppv, 265/28, #54)
90. R.E.M.: Around the Sun (9.44ppv, 151/16, #89)
91. A.C. Newman: The Slow Wonder (9.4ppv, 329/35, #40)
92. Robyn Hitchcock: Spooked (9.38ppv, 122/13, #111)
93. Mark Lanegan: Bubblegum (9.38ppv, 150/16, #90)
94. Mission of Burma: On Off On (9.38ppv, 150/16, #90)
95. Snow Patrol: Final Straw (9.35ppv, 159/17, #79)
96. Jill Scott: Beautifully Human: Words and Sounds Vol. 2 (9.33ppv, 252/27, #56)
97. Ghostface: The Pretty Toney Album (9.33ppv, 429/46, #32)
98. Elliott Smith: From a Basement on the Hill (9.32ppv, 531/57, #22)
99. Alicia Keys: The Diary of Alicia Keys (9.28ppv, 297/32, #44)
100. Hives: Tyrannosaurus Hives (9.28ppv, 269/29, #53)
101. Finn Brothers: Everyone is Here (9.25ppv, 111/12, #119)
102. Concretes: The Concretes (9.24ppv, 157/17, #80)
103. Sufjan Stevens: Seven Swans (9.23ppv, 277/30, #50)
104. American Music Club: Love Songs for Patriots (9.23ppv, 120/13, #114)
105. Todd Snider: East Nashville Skyline (9.18ppv, 156/17, #82)
106. Blonde Redhead: Misery Is A Butterfly (9.17ppv, 110/12, #120)
107. Electrelane: The Power Out (9.08ppv, 118/13, #115)
108. various: DFA Compilation #2 (9.04ppv, 217/24, #61)
109. Erlend Oye: DJ Kicks (8.94ppv, 152/17, #88)
110. Ted Leo + The Pharmacists: Shake the Sheets (8.94ppv, 277/31, #50)
111. Devendra Banhart: Niño Rojo (8.85ppv, 115/13, #117)
112. Eminem: Encore (8.83ppv, 203/23, #63)
113. Courtney Love: America's Sweetheart (8.8ppv, 176/20, #75)
114. Sonic Youth: Sonic Nurse (8.73ppv, 349/40, #37)
115. Iron & Wine: Our Endless Numbered Days (8.67ppv, 286/33, #48)
116. kings of convenience: Riot on an Empty Street (8.67ppv, 130/15, #101)
117. Steve Earle: The Revolution Starts Now (8.64ppv, 216/25, #62)
118. Neko Case: The Tigers Have Spoken (8.45ppv, 186/22, #70)
119. Mos Def: The New Danger (8.4ppv, 168/20, #77)
120. Roots: The Tipping Point (7.7ppv, 154/20, #84)

So of the albums in the poll top-ten, only Brian Wilson and Green Day fared better than Kanye. The album to pick on for squeaking into the top ten on low votes is Modest Mouse.

Put another way, here are those same 120 albums ranked by the delta between their poll ranking and their ppv ranking (positive meaning ranked higher by ppv):

112 Foreign Exchange: Connected (113 to 1)
103 Ex: Turn (117 to 14)
92 Death From Above 1979: You're a Woman, I'm a Machine (101 to 9)
91 Bebel Gilberto: Bebel Gilberto (107 to 16)
90 various: Goodbye Babylon (96 to 6)
90 Alison Krauss and Union Station: Lonely Runs Both Ways (107 to 17)
88 Talib Kweli: The Beautiful Struggle (109 to 21)
87 Patty Griffin: Impossible Dream (98 to 11)
82 Ambulance Ltd: Ambulance LTD (84 to 2)
76 Xiu Xiu: Fabulous Muscles (94 to 18)
73 Arthur Russell: Calling Out of Context (76 to 3)
73 !!!: Louden Up Now (95 to 22)
66 Thermals: Fuckin A (71 to 5)
65 Go! Team: Thunder, Lightning, Strike (73 to 8)
65 Stereolab: Margerine Eclipse (106 to 41)
61 various: Rio Baile Funk: Favela Booty Beats (99 to 38)
52 Ulrich Schnauss: A Strangely Isolated Place (109 to 57)
51 Cam'ron: Purple Haze (93 to 42)
50 Ponys: Laced With Romance (100 to 50)
50 Dears: No Cities Left (111 to 61)
39 Tinariwen: Amassakoul (71 to 32)
39 MF Doom: Mm... Food? (97 to 58)
38 Fall: The Real New Fall LP (116 to 78)
35 Nas: Street's Disciple (59 to 24)
34 Delays: Faded Seaside Glamour (101 to 67)
33 Eagles Of Death Metal: Peace Love Death Metal (101 to 68)
32 Fennesz: Venice (80 to 48)
32 Patti Smith: Trampin' (101 to 69)
28 Van Hunt: Van Hunt (57 to 29)
28 Faces: Five Guys Walk Into a Bar… (84 to 56)
27 Le Tigre: This Island (74 to 47)
26 Junior Boys: Last Exit (41 to 15)
24 Hold Steady: Almost Killed Me (31 to 7)
24 Dungen: Ta Det Lugnt (69 to 45)
24 Annie: Anniemal (90 to 66)
19 Robyn Hitchcock: Spooked (111 to 92)
18 Black Keys: Rubber Factory (38 to 20)
18 Finn Brothers: Everyone is Here (119 to 101)
16 Usher: Confessions (35 to 19)
14 Blonde Redhead: Misery Is A Butterfly (120 to 106)
10 American Music Club: Love Songs for Patriots (114 to 104)
8 Mastodon: Leviathan (60 to 52)
8 Electrelane: The Power Out (115 to 107)

6 Gwen Stefani: Love.Angel.Music.Baby (83 to 77)
6 Devendra Banhart: Niño Rojo (117 to 111)
5 Fiery Furnaces: Blueberry Boat (17 to 12)
4 Big & Rich: Horse of a Different Color (39 to 35)
4 Rufus Wainwright: Want Two (78 to 74)
3 Sam Phillips: A Boot and a Shoe (84 to 81)
1 Comets On Fire: Blue Cathedral (63 to 62)
-1 Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds: Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus (25 to 26)
-1 R.E.M.: Around the Sun (89 to 90)
-2 Brian Wilson: SMiLE (2 to 4)
-3 Mark Lanegan: Bubblegum (90 to 93)
-4 Mountain Goats: We Shall All Be Healed (45 to 49)
-4 Mission of Burma: On Off On (90 to 94)
-5 Green Day: American Idiot (5 to 10)
-6 Devendra Banhart: Rejoicing in the Hands (28 to 34)
-6 RJD2: Since We Last Spoke (66 to 72)
-8 Joanna Newsom: The Milk-Eyed Mender (20 to 28)
-9 Jolie Holland: Escondida (67 to 76)
-11 Drive-by Truckers: The Dirty South (16 to 27)
-12 Kanye West: The College Dropout (1 to 13)
-12 Youssou N'Dour: Egypt (34 to 46)
-15 Danger Mouse: The Grey Album (10 to 25)
-15 kings of convenience: Riot on an Empty Street (101 to 116)
-16 Nellie McKay: Get Away From Me (14 to 30)
-16 De La Soul: The Grind Date (55 to 71)
-16 Snow Patrol: Final Straw (79 to 95)
-17 Arcade Fire: Funeral (6 to 23)
-17 Scissor Sisters: Scissor Sisters (26 to 43)
-17 Buddy Miller: Universal United House of Prayer (58 to 75)
-17 Tegan and Sara: So Jealous (68 to 85)
-18 Animal Collective: Sung Tongs (21 to 39)
-19 TV on the Radio: Desperate Youth, Blood Thirsty Babes (12 to 31)
-21 Libertines: The Libertines (30 to 51)
-21 Erlend Oye: DJ Kicks (88 to 109)
-22 Rilo Kiley: More Adventurous (14 to 36)
-22 Magnetic Fields: I (65 to 87)
-22 Concretes: The Concretes (80 to 102)
-23 Todd Snider: East Nashville Skyline (82 to 105)
-24 Morrissey: You Are the Quarry (36 to 60)
-29 U2: How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb (8 to 37)
-30 Loretta Lynn: Van Lear Rose (3 to 33)
-30 M.I.A./Diplo: Piracy Funds Terrorism Volume 1 (23 to 53)
-34 Gretchen Wilson: Here for the Party (46 to 80)
-34 Secret Machines: Now Here is Nowhere (49 to 83)
-34 Prince: Musicology (50 to 84)
-35 Interpol: Antics (19 to 54)
-35 Futureheads: The Futureheads (47 to 82)
-35 Elvis Costello & the Imposters: The Delivery Man (54 to 89)
-36 Franz Ferdinand: Franz Ferdinand (4 to 40)
-36 Tom Waits: Real Gone (29 to 65)
-36 Walkmen: Bows and Arrows (43 to 79)
-36 Roots: The Tipping Point (84 to 120)
-37 Streets: A Grand Don't Come For Free (7 to 44)
-37 Killers: Hot Fuss (27 to 64)
-38 Courtney Love: America's Sweetheart (75 to 113)
-40 Jill Scott: Beautifully Human: Words and Sounds Vol. 2 (56 to 96)
-42 Mos Def: The New Danger (77 to 119)
-44 Air: Talkie Walkie (42 to 86)
-45 Björk: Medulla (18 to 63)
-46 Modest Mouse: Good News for People Who Love Bad News (9 to 55)
-47 Hives: Tyrannosaurus Hives (53 to 100)
-47 various: DFA Compilation #2 (61 to 108)
-48 Madvillain: Madvillainy (11 to 59)
-48 Neko Case: The Tigers Have Spoken (70 to 118)
-49 Dizzee Rascal: Showtime (24 to 73)
-49 Eminem: Encore (63 to 112)
-51 A.C. Newman: The Slow Wonder (40 to 91)
-53 Sufjan Stevens: Seven Swans (50 to 103)
-55 PJ Harvey: Uh Huh Her (33 to 88)
-55 Alicia Keys: The Diary of Alicia Keys (44 to 99)
-55 Steve Earle: The Revolution Starts Now (62 to 117)
-57 Wilco: A Ghost Is Born (13 to 70)
-60 Ted Leo + The Pharmacists: Shake the Sheets (50 to 110)
-65 Ghostface: The Pretty Toney Album (32 to 97)
-67 Iron & Wine: Our Endless Numbered Days (48 to 115)
-76 Elliott Smith: From a Basement on the Hill (22 to 98)
-77 Sonic Youth: Sonic Nurse (37 to 114)

Another guess: Loretta Lynn tumbles a bit (and I voted for it)

(it's a good tape by the way. It's like a solid weekend dance mix on a pop station, but underground and your friend gave it to you and therefore superspecial)

2004 singles ballot
1 Trapt "Echo"
Warner Bros.


2 Mindy Smith "Fighting For It All"
no label


3 Coheed and Cambria "A Favor House Atlantic"
Columbia


4 Snow Patrol "How To Be Dead"
no label


5 Carbon Leaf "Life Less Ordinary"
no label


6 Rilo Kiley "Portions For Foxes"
Brute/Beaute


7 Keith Urban "Days Go By"
Capitol


8 kings of convenience "Misread"
Astralwerks


9 Ashanti "Breakup 2 Makeup"
no label


10 Sonic Youth "Unmade Bed"
Geffen

Yeah, I just downloaded it blindly because djdee2005 started a thread about it, and was blown away by it.

x-post MARC YOU ARE THE MAN

I'm not really a fan of the diplo/mia mixtape. I do like the Clipse track though.

(ducks)

2004
37
Sonic Youth
Sonic Nurse
DGC
349(40)

2002
Albums
20
Sonic Youth
Murray Street
DGC
487(48)

2000
Albums
103
Sonic Youth
NYC Ghosts & Flowers
Interscope
96(11)

2000
Albums
1421
Sonic Youth
Goodbye 20th Century
SYR / Smells Like
5(1)

1999
Albums
326
Sonic Youth
Goodbye 20th Century
SYR / Smells Like
23(2)

1998
Albums
41
Sonic Youth
A Thousand Leaves
DGC
185(15)

1997
Albums
624
Sonic Youth
SYR 1
SYR / Smells Like
10(1)

1995
Albums
18
Sonic Youth
Washing Machine
DGC
204

1992
Albums
8
Sonic Youth
Dirty
DGC
439

1990
Albums
4
Sonic Youth
Goo
DGC
659

1988
Albums
2
Sonic Youth
Daydream Nation
Blast First / Enigma
716

1987
Albums
12
Sonic Youth
Sister
SST
313

1986
Albums
29
Sonic Youth
Evol
SST
186

-- Michael Daddino (epicharmu...), February 9th, 2005.

Michael, if you want to tabulate, I'll send you my ballot ... but which artist(s) do you think would see a spike in ranking if filtered this way?

w00t! I'm an oddball.

Um...the Homosexuals? :) Trick Daddy definitely would, as at least 3/8ths of the voters, myself included, are gay. Other than that, I really don't know. I could fall back on the stereotyped position of dancey-beaty stuff, Scissor Sisters and Morrissey, etc., but again, no clue, really.

Incidentally, there was one year in the mid '80s ('87 or '88 maybe?) that charts broken down by age, gender, and race were actually included in the P&J section. The poll was a lot smaller then, though; the more voters there are, the more time-consuming the two main lists become, which sadly leaves way less time to construct side lists.

But Chuck, if you want to slip me an actual data file, drop me an email, and I'll be happy to run the raw singles numbers, the singles numbers my way, and a combined measure of complete ballots...

688 10.4 Chuck Eddy
689 10.3 Scott Seward

How about a list of white under-40 heterosexual critics who would have voted for Automatic for the People if this were 1992 but for some reason can't see that Around the Sun is just as good?

BOTH!

I was right when I reasoned his 5-stars were more or less the equivalent of giving the Palme d'Or to Michael Moore.

15 95.7 Nate Chinen
16 94.7 Neva Chonin