C/D: Prince's "Around the World in a Day"

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It was released 20 years ago in April (April 22, to be exact).

Your opinions, please.

ffirehorse, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

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ffirehorse, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

one of the only big 80's Prince LPs I haven't heard yet. kind of on the fence about whether I wanna get it, might go for Parade next instead. of the songs I've heard, I love "Tambourine", not too crazy about "Pop Life" or "Raspberry Beret".

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)

The impact of this album is still memorable -- it was so left field after Purple Rain, everyone was expecting that part II and instead, this. I remember all excited getting it in ninth grade having been turned into a Prince maniac over the previous years and going "What the...?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

It was the first time I heard commercial radio DJs sounding perplexed on the radio when they got their hands on the advanced copies.

"Um, we're going to play 'Raspberry Beret' one more time here on.. !"

I remember the L.A. area stations would play "Raspberry Beret", "Pop Life", MAYBE "America" or "Paisley Park", and "She's Always In My Hair" (a B-side!) but would not touch the rest of the album... it was also the first time I heard commercial radio DJs editorialize a bit about their thoughts on the album.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

Very often, this is my favorite Prince album. I don't think it's the "best," but I think it's just SICK with talent and ambition and sheer perversity. And, it turns out, God is a rockist.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 02:49 (twenty years ago)

It's actually pretty dull - probably the one dud in his '79-'87 hot streak. I got it a couple of years ago thinking it was an underrated classic. Nope. "America" is "Baby You're A Star," "Paisely Park" is "Penny Lane," and "Temptation" isnt New Order or even Heaven 17.

Its value I suspect is archival and hence historical: I think it's the album where Prince starts to deliberately turn his back on stardom, retreating into the increasingly bizarre sounds in his head until he vomited out "Sign O'The Times". "Lovesexy" is almost a sequel to ATWIAD. Matos probably has some theories too.

The arrangements are "interesting" without being compelling (jeez, even that Rain Parade album released around the same time moved a little faster). I'll take "Parade," which combines strings, funk, bad lyrics, and shrill falsettos much more amazingly. If I play it these days, it's to hear the two hits and "Tamborine."

"She's Always in My Hair" is much better than most of the album tracks.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

Hey, donut, what would the deejays say? I'm curious about the public's longterm response. It debuted at number one, produced two relatively big hits, but did it have "legs"?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

No, Art Of Noise had "Legs" as a hit on their album In Visible Silence from the same year, though. ;)

I remember "Raspberry Beret" being a HUGE hit, "Pop Life" being a hit though not as huge as "Raspberry Beret" and that was it. Top 40 stations mainly just played these two songs, but R&B stations were more adventurous.. I mean, it was Prince. He could "do no wrong" as he had proven the previous year.. which is why part of me is fascinated with this move by Prince.

VERY IMPORTANT to keep in perspective, Prince was hardly just working on his own stuff. He did score hits via his protogés The Family with "Screams Of Passion", which DID get Top 40 play. Sheila E. was also big around the time too, still charting occasional singles from her first album. The Time was riding on the coattails of Prince's success with hits that bled into 1985 as well, I believe. The Prince dynasty was doing very well at the time, despite the "WTF"ness of Around The World In A Day. The only reason it sold so big was because it was the album after Purple Rain, period.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

Why "vomited out," Alfred? Because it contained partially digested chunks of the last good meal he had?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:11 (twenty years ago)

or good album

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)

All the tastiest chunks, Ken L.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

I'll take "Sugar Walls" and "Jungle Love" over ATWIAD.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

the album came out less than a year after Purple Rain, which had five singles; people could hardly believe he'd already followed it up, I remember thinking wondering 'how'

it's not bad, but you did get the impression he was getting over the pressure of following up his huge breakthrough album by getting it out of the way as fast as possible. Parade was the real followup.

search: "Paisley Park" 12" version which opens with an insane guitar solo / seagull sfx duet for two minutes before even bothering to splice in the song

(Jon L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:19 (twenty years ago)

Alfred I am glad that we are Stylus bros and IM friends but you are too busy toeing the official critical line here. Beneath the wackiness there is true beauty here. Maybe people like Prince when he lies best but I like him when he tells the truth.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)

But, Matt, that's just it: I don't hear the truth in ATWIAD. I hear gnomic lyrics and half-assed political commentary. He was too busy producing Sheila E and fucking to read the NYT.

As far the official critical line, well, I'm a big "Graffiti Bridge" fan.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

Graffiti Bridge was 10th in Pazz & Jop that year, so you're not toeing any critical line there or anywhere else (Around the World was considered a dud then and now, rightly).

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:34 (twenty years ago)

"Tambourine" and "Raspberry Beret" are the only ones that really, really grab me.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:38 (twenty years ago)

I don't exactly know why, but I've never owned Sign O' The Times in any form. Is there a thread for Albums We Know We'd Like But Have Never Gotten Around To Getting A Hold Of, Perhaps Because We Are Saving Them For A Rainy Day?

I did own ATWAID and I ended up liking it more than I thought I would, but it was a cassette, so who knows what became of it. Probably still lodged under the seat of a friend's car, hidden between a crushed Real Thirsty cup and a crumpled-up bag from the Short Stop.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:39 (twenty years ago)

the album is interesting but a lot of the compliments this album gets seem like status quo for Prince at the time for me. I don't get what it has the the one surrounding it don't, and I sure know what those albums have that this doesn't.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)

Man there's a whole lot of wrong around here. I'd better get my ass over to the "Albums Only I Understand" Thread.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)

And I'd better cut and paste your post to the "Things I'd Like To Quote In The Future" thread.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

Prince's "Parade" haircut was better.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:47 (twenty years ago)

a dud? i think not! it's definitely not prince's best, but to call any album that has "raspberry beret," "tamborine," "paisley park" and "around the world in a day" on it a dud seems just wrong. and, hello, "condition of the heart" anyone??? i'd say it's exactly halfway to a great pop album, which makes it just ok by prince's '80s standards but pretty damn sweet by anyone else's.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

I first heard "Condition of the Heart" on a live bootleg; it sounded fabulous. Then I heard the album version: it drifts all over the place and that falsetto really bothers me. I like my classic-era Prince ballads either over the top ("Beautiful Ones," "Do Me, Baby") or with double and triple-tracked vocal craziness ("Forever in my Life").

I'll make an exception for "Sometimes It Snows in April."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:53 (twenty years ago)

Here's a couple of sample paragraphs from reviews published the week it was released.

Robert Palmer, New York Times, 4/22/1985:

Almost every sound on the record, vocal and instrumental, with the occasional exception of light percussion, saxophone, backing vocals and understated string arrangements, was made by Prince, who proves with this record that he has mastered the pop-rock idiom in the widest sense, from artsy rock to heavy metal, funk to sweet pop balladry. ''Around the World in a Day'' may or may not endure as a rock classic; that remains to be seen. But there can be no doubt that Prince has invested a great deal of creative and emotional energy in it.

Richard Harrington, Washington Post, 4/23/1985:

This is a mind album, like "Sgt. Pepper," and Prince tends to leave clues rather than evidence. For all its psychedelic trappings, and for all his reputation as a sexual obsessive, there is precious little advocacy of anything except self-awareness and self-definition. That may be a reflection on Prince and his own set of changes; it has certainly provoked one of the most intriguing albums in years.

ffirehorse (firehorse), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:54 (twenty years ago)

BTW, I don't think it's a classic; I was just posting those review samples for curiosity's sake.

ffirehorse (firehorse), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:56 (twenty years ago)

Condition Of The Heart , for one, is just as freaky sounding to me today as it was when I first heard it as a kid. I didn't like the album as much right after Purple Rain . I later realized just how great it is ( I barely play PR nowadays) and I think it's Classic.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 04:02 (twenty years ago)

xpost:
They seem to be hedging their bets, as if to protect themselves from the wrath of ILM twenty years later.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)

hedging their bets in the face of a musician who was just too far ahead to fucking dare to judge.

sucks to have taller siblings, but this album's got things the others don't. it's weirder, spacier, further out, totally personal, couldn't care less about pleasing outside the core fan base, which was important coming off the last album: i.e. the year the assholes stopped calling me a fag for liking Prince.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

hedging their bets in the face of a musician who was just too far ahead to fucking dare to judge.

sucks to have taller siblings, but this album's got things the others don't. it's weirder, spacier, further out, totally personal, couldn't care less about pleasing outside the core fan base, which was important coming off the last album: i.e. the year the asshole jocks stopped calling me a faggot for liking Prince (to put it bluntly)

(me in '85 = 15 yrs old, for context)

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

wow. now THAT, my friends, is a good post.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

Hear hear.

ffirehorse (firehorse), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)

It was good, but I'd like to grub some credit for the assist.

But what I really came back to the thread to say is: I think that, in to order to more accurately represent his actual bailiwick, fact checking cuz should expand his title to the Brighten-the-Corners deluxe version of "sanity and fact checking cuz."

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 04:48 (twenty years ago)

I remember deciding not to go to the stadium show, people we didn't like terribly much showing up in class the next day with the t-shirts... there was just as much pressure from the true fans on the followup, and when he just danced straight off the page with it and made the issue of topping the previous one a non-issue, it was one of those great moments.

and meanwhile, the 12" mixes & b-sides were killing... "Hello"

maybe it's different if you're going through his albums in hindsight, but this was a pivotal album where he showed everyone he was just going to keep going further, and it was cool, so I have nothing but love for this album

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 04:48 (twenty years ago)

I do prize having all the ATWIAD era 12"s than I do the actual album... they are all quite beautiful.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

I predict one day that the WB albums will get deluxe editions with the full jamming 12" versions of all his singles on the second disc.

One day.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

I remember the 12" version of 'america' was something like 25 minutes long... what was the b-side again?

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:29 (twenty years ago)

The B-side to "America" was "Girl."

ffirehorse (firehorse), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:33 (twenty years ago)

I don't know how ATWIAD is more "personal" than his other stuff - and how would you know? and how could you tell from its lyrics?

When is the Little One releasing his 12"'s ?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

Who mentioned lyrics?

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

Why don't you like his lyrics, anyway?

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

Disliking this album is akin to beating babies with pipes.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

(ie, I could never do it and it upsets me that other people can and do)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

Personal lyrics here:

1. Prince's quest to create an oasis of freedom and peace (Paisley Park) in the mixed-up muddled-up world (title track).

2. His glorification of the beautiful loser, the nerd, the freak, ("Paisley Park" the song, "Condition of the Heart" which is so overheated that you KNOW it's him talking), the black kids who listen to Joni Mitchell and Love.

3. His having to deal with the insanity he's created through fame, through arrogance, through beginning to piss off the music business that has finally embraced him ("Pop Life")

4. His walking away from the sex-crazed persona that America embraced, his trying to understand his religious underpinnings instead of just being flippant about it like before ("Temptation")

5. His backing away from his earlier Reagan-is-great stylings ("America").

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

Classic. I don't get the dislike for the album in this thread; I would take this album over Sign O the Times or Parade anyday.

Vic Funk, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

Hey, there goes my favorite Prince album.

Omar (Omar), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Matt, I'd accept your finely argued points if the music was stronger. "Temptation" and "Paisley Park" are retreads.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

of what? SPECIFIX PLEAZE SOTO

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

"America" - sounds like "Baby I'm A Star," with unspecific lyrics. With the exception of "Sign O'The Times," I'm no fan of Prince-as-Edmund-Burke ("Ronnie, Talk To Russia"), but

"Paisley Park" - I like the calliope. Sounds too much like "Magical Mystery Tour" and "Penny Lane." He did this strawberry-lemonade and tangerine trees shit better on the next album's "Christopher Tracy's Parade" and "Life Can Be So Nice."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

"Paisley Park" is a future-funk song and has nothing to do with drugged-out Brit-hippie music-hall wank. Listen to it again and you'll see where I'm going, even if you don't agree. You might have a point about "America" but you didn't complain when he chopped and screwed "Delirious" for "Baby I'm a Star" so you cannot complain about him rocking it up for "America."

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

If I had to make a choice I'd take all of the best tracks from Parade ("Girls and Boys," "Kiss," "Mountains") and/or most of the tracks on Sign o' the Times in preference to Around.

Not that it's not a (really) good album.

Also, I don't think "America" is a turn away from "Reagan-is-great."

These lyrics, for instance:

Communism is just a word
But if the government turn over
It'll be the only word that's heard

That's basically "Keep Ronnie, he's better than those Russkies."

ffirehorse (firehorse), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

OTM, ffirehorse

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

sucks to have taller siblings, but this album's got things the others don't. it's weirder, spacier, further out, totally personal, couldn't care less about pleasing outside the core fan base, which was important coming off the last album

all of which is true, and none of which has anything to do with whether the album is any good or not

"Paisley Park" is a future-funk song and has nothing to do with drugged-out Brit-hippie music-hall wank

like FUCK it doesn't

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

Now, now, Matos; swearing will not help you make your point.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

haha he's not saying that just to be nasty, he sincerely wants to fuck the taste out of your mouth

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

CAN U RELATE?

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

blount you're a double-drag fool

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

"Housequake" had nothing to do w/JB funk
"Do Me Baby" had nothing to do w/sex
Tony M had nothing to do w/commercial desperation
etc.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Nice job taking me out of context above. My original statement was in relation to Soto saying that "Paisley Park" was a retread of "Penny Lane," which it is not. There is more psychedelic music in the world than just the Beatles, who didn't invent it anyway, ho hum, la de da. Also, nice job doing the reductio ad absurdum tango to make me look like an ass, thanks a bunch.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

Tony M had nothing to do w/commercial desperation

fuck you! I had mad skillz!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

"the future" had nothing to do with guy
"delirious" had nothing to do with john candy
"venus de milo" had nothing to do with television
"take me with u" had nothing to do with sophie's choice
"money don't matter 2night" had nothing to do with eddie money
"round and round" had nothing to do with new order
"head" had nothing to do with the monkees

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

reading it in context doesn't help any, either, Matt, so if you're trying to say something more than what I quoted, you need to elaborate.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

The beats are all wrong anyway, the Beatles were on the ones and threes, "Paisley Park" is a Sly Stone shuffle thing to my ears.

The idea of "Take Me With U" as the theme song for "Sophie's Choice" is making me really nauseous

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

Matt C. and Milton P. the most on-the-money on this thread (but yeah Matt you don't have to be all anti-rockist and dog the Beatles just to defend atwiad)

All the people that diss it but shot all the people that like it the most off-the-money

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

didn't he record atwiad pretty much immediately after purple rain, like before purple rain was released even? it seems like i'd heard that

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

here's a statement I'll regret making, later, but am only pretty much doing it for (minor) humor value.

Q. How are the Beatles like Jesus?
A. They're just all right, to me.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

JB: yes, it's in that Alex Hahn book

MC: so is what you're saying that your not caring that much for the Beatles = that song doesn't ape them in any way? because that's an awful lot what it looks like

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

also, when did "drugged-out Brit-hippie music-hall wank" = the Beatles exclusively? no one else said it did.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

i'm pretty sure this was the 2nd record (after Powerslave) I was so excited about I made my mom drive me to the record store to buy it on the day it was released. I wasn't disappointed, I thought it was awesome. The only song I didn't like at the time was "Condition of the HEart", I used to fast-forward the walkman through that one (producing that squeely high-sound, but it wasn't too harsh becuz there weren't no drums on the track) but you know, I was just a kid.

Last time I played the album I loved all of it, although "Temptation" sure does sound goofy.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

bet used to show that live clip of "america" alot

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

xpost to Matos:

Again, I was responding to Alfred Soto talking about the Beatles.

And, again, I was only making a little joke that occured to me. ("Little" = "Microscopic") I have never heard Lennon/McCartney much in Prince's psychedelia, more like Love and Sly and Beach Boys. But hey I could be wrong, what the fuck.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

there's all of those for sure, but the Beatles are certainly in there too. anyone who's listened to classic rock radio (specifically KQRS in Mpls, which Prince listened to as a kid when it was a progressive station) knows it favors the Beatles to Love and the Beach Boys.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

well, yeah, that's true. and I'm not saying he never heard the Beatles. what I AM saying is that I never hear the specific influence of them all that much in Prince songs.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

oh, it's there all right

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

well okay then, you're the expert

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

dude, read the Per Nilsen book--Wendy and Lisa and Alan Leeds talk about it very specifically

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

YEAH MATT

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

I kind of can't see how there isn't a heavy Lennon influence on the song "Paisley Park"; in fact, that's one of the main things that makes it so awesome.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

i still think this album felt pretty ubiquitous when it came out, despite lack of Purple Rain-ian megahit flurry, but maybe that's just cuz I was playing it a ton. and yeah, DB otm upthread when he talks about all the other extended family things coming out at the time. like Sheila E.'s Romance 1600 came out around the same time, and it felt like an extension of this album's aesthetic; "A Love Bizarre" would have fit right in on atwiad

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

I like this album, tho yeah I usually skip Condition of the Heart and find America's lyrics to be soooo silly (but what an otherwise great song!). Unjustly maligned, this one is.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

"Condition Of The Heart" is maybe in the top 25 of Prince songs.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

Purple Rain : Pet Sounds :: Around the World in a Day : Smiley Smile

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

shit, matos, if I had time to read books I wouldn't be screwing around here!

and Stormy OTM about Sheila E and that's not just a reacharound

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

(That arpeggio up through a major seventh at the beginning of each verse of "COTH" = BRILLIANCE)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm not as big a fan of Jamie Starr Inc. '85 as I am of '84, by a lot, but that's really a matter of degree. So is my dislike for Around the World, which isn't a terrible album by any means, but a really uneven and notably uninspired one--he's clearly reaching for what came to fruition on Parade and isn't quite there yet, whereas Parade has it ALL there.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

The only song I don't particularly like on Around The World In A Day is the title track.. but only in today's context, because it seems like a foreshadowing of Lovesexy, or the overall feel of that album, which to me symbolizes the beginning of Prince's big dip into the era of bland NPG sherbert, creatively speaking.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

I remember liking the title track's melody okay

xpost

yeah it's a mess, totally thrown off, bits of it careless, not as masterful as Parade, we know we know

you are no fun at all matos. you sound like someone complaining about bad head.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

though I think in the long run we're all basically in agreement, you're just being a hardass

this album came out nine months after Rain, it was like an extra, it happened so fast it didn't even feel like a followup, just a promise that he wasn't going to let the fame get to him. and the fact that it was so tossed off, personal and fans-only was a straight up relief. judging it so harshly seems like a real ROCK CRITIC thing to do, when I know you're a total hardcore fan

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

yep, you nailed me there (cough) (xpost)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

parade is awful. im sayin it. ATWIAD is very inconsistent, but has some pretty great shit on it. raspberry beret, pop life, paisley park, tambourine, the ladder, condition of the heart, title track - all really great. parade is thin, flat, and the melodies are boring. nowhere near the sonic or melodic quality of SOTT, or the earlier stuff. i mean, ok. "kiss" is a good song. but i could never get into any other songs on that whole album. so ill take half-baked over a-bad-recipe-cooked-twice.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

wait a second, I'm not supposed to be judgmental about musicians I like? sorry, not swallowing that one at all.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

you are no fun at all matos. you sound like someone complaining about bad head.

.....

though I think in the long run we're all basically in agreement, you're just being a hardass

Heavens, Milton! You know A LOT more about Matos than me, I guess. ;-)

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

sorry, not swallowing that one at all.

-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...), March 1st, 2005.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

I'll second that - Parade has its moments (Mountain, Kiss, Christopher Tracy's Parade) but it seems kinda limpid to me. I've never really been grabbed by it. ATWIAD, on the other hand, always keeps my interest, even when its being completely fucking ridiculous.

(no one likes my Beach Boys analogy = U ALL R GAY! *choke* sob)

x-post

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

parade is awful.

PUT THE CRACK-PIPE DOWN

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

oh ill put it down all right. put it down FOREVER.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

Stop acting like a hard luscious ass, Dan. It's someone just gave you a horrible nibbly blow job..

*ahem*

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

Boy, did I start a shitstorm! I'm pretty much with Matos on this one (which was I asked him to rally to my defense last night).

Just for that, Matos, I'm going to not only buy, but READ your book.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

yay! someone has to etc. (I kid)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)


I'm sorry.
I'll be good.
This time I promise,
Love is more important than sex.
Now I understand.
I have 2 go now.
I don't know when I'll return.
Good-bye

I wish Ludacris or somebody would end an album like this (though Eminem has a similar meta-hell capper to HIS Around The World In A Day

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

doesn't The Love Below count?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

tried to find & post a copy of the shower poster from controversy, just to gay up the thread a little more, then my head cleared

this thread's high school all over again but friendly

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

someone's got that poster taped in the window of their front outside at 24th and Mission. always makes me smile on my way home.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

haha I gave that poster to a cousin of mine for her birthday when we were kids. she had it up in her room forever.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

"front" = front door oops

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

doesn't The Love Below count?

sorta (and part of the reason I love it is its like sloppy Prince demos) but Andre's just dryly telling his tale at the end, not imagining divine retribution for his sins (in fact, God grants him another shot at a girl with a nice butt earlier on the album). 50 Cent shrieking "OMG WHAT HAVE I DONE!!! *satan laughing*" at the end of an album would be more in sync.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

My upcoming Stylus article will use the dialogue from this song as the purest example of what Rockism is, so dibs on it you biting bastards

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

Prince doesn't believe in God: he believes in Linn drums.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

I wish!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

word, we might have avoided The 808 Children

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

Prince's last album: "Musicology"
Prince's next album: "Rockism"

A natural progression.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

I heard his next album was gonna be for Blue Note! (which I'm sort of intrigued as hell by, actually)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

(and yes, I have heard--and dislike--The Rainbow Children, so maybe my faith is misplaced here, if indeed it's faith and not plain curiosity)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

yeah, I bet whatever Prince does next its gonna be a pretty strange left-turn (hopefully away from the bad smooth jazz crap on Rainbow Children and, especially, N.E.W.S.)

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

brought both Around and Parade to work today... listening to Parade I realize that part of the reason this album's never left that huge an impression on me is that so many of the songs are so goddamned short! that and some of the jazzy orchestrations make things bleed together to my ears, everything up to Girls & Boys may as well be one song... also I have a hard time disassociating some of this from the truly crap movie, which my wife has made me watch numerous times...

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 2 March 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

"Under the Cherry Moon" is way cooler than "Purple Rain." Maybe if Kristin Scott Thomas starred in the latter and made it with Morris Day I'd enjoy it more.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

"I Wonder U" is just awesome in its microcity, as is "Life Would Be So Nice"

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

100% agreement with Dan - + any mixtape/soundtrack about/to me being love would have to include "Life Can be So Nice"

Jedmond (Jedmond), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

Can/Would = Tomayto/Tomahto (or perhaps I'm just going senile)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

I forgive anybody who love "I Wonder U" - how about we ignore Prince, and comprimise on "Life Could Be So Nice"

Thomayto

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 3 March 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

Or "New Position" - best use of steel drum in rock history.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 3 March 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

Songs I kept from Parade (I only keep 20 albums from any year and it didn't make the cut): "New Position," "Girls & Boys," "Life Can Be So Nice," "Kiss," "Sometimes It Snows In April"

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 3 March 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

It's all just interesting evolution between the classics Purple Rain and SOTT for me - sorry so predictable

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 3 March 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

Cut and pasted from an email I sent last week to a friend explaining why Prince rules:

Purple Rain - I'm a star, let's drink, fuck, and party like it's 1999. Then the beautiful one Nikki broke his heart and he only wants to see her dancing in the purple rain.

Around The World in a Day - Crushed, he retreats into his room with his Crayola 64 and Beatles albums. Draws lots of paisley parks and raspberry berets.

Parade - Shows said drawings of parks and berets to friends. They like! He starts to come out of his shell.

SOTT - Doesn't like what he reads in the paper about some new disease. Hits on waitresses in his favorite coffee shop, one of whom he'd love to date even though he can never take the place of her man. Rediscovers how much he loves Jesus. Not that it matters.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 3 March 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

oh I'd say his preoccupation with divine judgement matters a hell of a lot. it's the reason he didn't put out The Black Album and why he only does the clean songs and told me I needed to "open a bible and let it guide you to the purple rain" last year.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 3 March 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

I'm glad he hasn't gone totally early-80s Dylan on us though: he implied horny fans should fuck his band instead.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 3 March 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

At least he's a God-fearing imp with reprobate instincts that manifest themselves on occasion (marrying a bellydancer).

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 3 March 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

Anthony, how does the Bible help with Prince jerking off on your head anyway?

BARMS, Thursday, 3 March 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

Does he appear with the first rustling of a page? That tentative slender fingering of an inky leaf? The initial leathery sensation of your fingers running down the spine and gripping the back firmly?

BARMS, Thursday, 3 March 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

Bellydancers are such whores eh Alf

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 3 March 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

Well, she worked it hard for the money.

BARMS, Thursday, 3 March 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

Anthony, how does the Bible help with Prince jerking off on your head anyway?

hey, I didn't say it! He just told an arena full of central pennsylvanians that!

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 3 March 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Get one religious right.

BARMS, Thursday, 3 March 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

BARMS are you being an asshole, and why?

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 3 March 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Sourpuss, are you living up to your name in a mondo overtime way and if so, why?

BARMS, Thursday, 3 March 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

My answer to your question: no. I'm just curious about you, are you really accusing A.Miccio of being a member of the "religious right" based on what he said above, or are you joking around, or what?

By the way I like your choices on the calendar thread, we're locked in a duet over there.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 3 March 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

I'm joking - there's no basis in Anthony's statement to accuse him of it in the first place. I'm just amused by the idea of such an incident, especially the repeated references I saw on old Prince message boards about what Purple Rain actually is. Maybe next time, I'll type "moral outrage". My humour is actually worse than normal because I'm working this week, I reckon.

Better get back to the calendar thread. I think I'll have to go find some of your choices, since I'm very much new to them.

BARMS, Thursday, 3 March 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Okay, just wanted to check. I didn't think you were especially trollish...I'm working on a coffee deficit and, apparently, I'm stupid and pricklish.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 3 March 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 3 March 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

BTW, although not a masterpiece, ATWIAD does rate on the classic side of the equation. I loved the singles ('Raspberry Beret' seemed to get a lot of UK radio play when I was a kid, yet I note it wasn't much of a charter when originally released). 'America' is appealing in its whimsy and awkward oddness and 'Tambourine' once exposed an alleged Prince fan I used to hang out with for the instant gratification-seeker he is.

BARMS, Thursday, 3 March 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

How did it expose him - just because he didn't like it? (which is cause enough)

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 3 March 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Well, yeah - he only owned or liked the big singles, and to be honest, 'Tambourine' is pretty harmless and very funky, yet when the vocals move up a notch, he looked at me as if I was playing a noize record, or worse (for him) a UK now-pop tune.

Hell, the same guy, a fucking Four Twaet fan, looked at me the same way when I played him glitchy melodic elctronica records.

BARMS, Thursday, 3 March 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
This is the greatest thread ever.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

very underappreciated and awesome album. "Pop Life", the title track, "raspberry beret", man fuck people who don't enjoy this...with scissors and mayonaise

ý never promýsed you a Weingarten (San Te), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:04 (fifteen years ago)

I like a lot of this album actually. And the tracks I don't like are the gospel influenced somewhat repetitive ballads that also exist in the rest of his catalogue (for instance, the title track is the only thing I don't like much on "Purple Rain")

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:07 (fifteen years ago)

This was, if I recall, one of the first threads to which I contributed.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:14 (fifteen years ago)

(for instance, the title track is the only thing I don't like much on "Purple Rain")

http://paintermommy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/shocked.jpg

ý never promýsed you a Weingarten (San Te), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:14 (fifteen years ago)

sorry for the triple post, something's up with my internets....

ý never promýsed you a Weingarten (San Te), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:14 (fifteen years ago)

Your ire.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago)

"Pop Life"

When asked, I'll probably tell you this is my favorite Prince song 7 out of 10 times.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:16 (fifteen years ago)

i thought it was intentional

xp

emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:16 (fifteen years ago)

lol, it did kind of inspire that level of "wtf"ness in me.

ý never promýsed you a Weingarten (San Te), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:17 (fifteen years ago)

whatever track 3 is called is also a favorite...

ý never promýsed you a Weingarten (San Te), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:17 (fifteen years ago)

Geir doesn't like blues-based music, film at 11, posts very much in character, etc., etc.

Meanwhile, "Let's Go Crazy," with the exception of the pre-chorus, consists entirely of a I-IV chord change. Whereas "Purple Rain" is incredibly harmonically complex.

But it sounds like gospel.

But it's not that Geir doesn't like "black people" music.

But a song that's just I-IV, over and over, is better than the complexity of "Purple Rain." Also, too.

a mix of music (Lionel Ritchie) and kicks (my tongue) (Phil D.), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:24 (fifteen years ago)

Because this album is beloved by a coterie and I love Prince, I give it a chance every few months -- it's still mostly a dud.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:27 (fifteen years ago)

Anyway, "Paisley Park" and "Raspberry Beret" are fantastic songs because they sound like something The Beatles might have done in 1967.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:34 (fifteen years ago)

And, no, "Purple Rain" is not complex. It has four chords. And that's it. And they are being repeated as an ostinato all the time with no build, not climax (other than some annoyingly improvised screaming, that is, but the climax shouldn't be in the performance, it should be in the melody).

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:35 (fifteen years ago)

Propably still in my Top 5 but it could do with a good remastering/ fix up. If only to correct that pain in the arse lag between the left and right channels on Pop Life when you listen on headphones. I love it mind, full of brilliant tricks that you forget about like that stop-start-stop-start intro to America. Condition Of The Heart contains my favourite Prince lyric moment ever when the girl leaves him for 'a REAL prince.. from Arabia'. Anyone who doesn't get the warmth and the humour of the man after listening to this album is *nuts*.

piscesx, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:44 (fifteen years ago)

Plenty of his albums before and since exude his warmth and humor.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:46 (fifteen years ago)

I should have said upthread: maybe I'm tainted because I heard Parade first. ATWIAD, by contrast, was one of the LAST Prince albums I bought (2001? 2002?). I've written thousands of words in my rockcrit career defending unloved mutts, especially those released in the eighties, but this one, unfortunately, still sounds half-assed and nattering.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:48 (fifteen years ago)

This is my favorite Prince album.

sharkless dick stick (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:49 (fifteen years ago)

Parade is ironically the one I never liked much...although there are some amazing songs on it.

ý never promýsed you a Weingarten (San Te), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:51 (fifteen years ago)

really the only Prince album I've ever heard that I went "uh, why?" was the one a few years ago with the song "Guitar" on it....

ý never promýsed you a Weingarten (San Te), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:52 (fifteen years ago)

I hear the title track and "Paisley Park" and think, well, okay, sitars and finger cymbals and Magical Mystery Tour -- so what?

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 22:54 (fifteen years ago)

The A side of this album is brilliant: the first tune is nice intro showcasing how he's changed his game, "Paisley Park" is one his most hearbreakingly beautiful pop songs, the ballad is good in the sort of pathetic-yet-credible way Prince can write ballad, "Raspberry Berret" is plenty fun, and "Tambourine" is a nice little funk workout. But the B side is kinda bad: "America" is musically nice but has dodgy lyrics, "Pop Life" isn't as great a pop song as the ones on side A, and the last two songs are just half-assed, formless attempts to make something "psychedelic". Prince should've just made the 20 minute version of "America" as the entire B side. Or at least replace the last two songs with "Girl" and "She's Always in My Hair". They're not the most perfect Prince songs, but they're certainly better than what's on the album.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 00:41 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah: "Girl," "Hello," "She's Always in My Hair" pwn most of the album tracks.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 00:46 (fifteen years ago)

Basically absolutely LOVE "Raspberry Beret" and "Paisley Park". Also quite fond of the title track and "Pop Life". Not quite as keen on the rest.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 21:25 (fifteen years ago)

honestly i only came around to "parade" as an album this year (before i would always listen to kiss, mountains, and maybe another lover and that's it).

emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 21:32 (fifteen years ago)

the title track is the only thing I don't like much on "Purple Rain"

O_O

Anyway, great album. I never latched onto Parade as strongly as this one, myself.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 21:36 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

I understand now
love is more important than sex
I have to go now

I don't know when I'll return

goodbye

chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Monday, 2 July 2012 21:52 (thirteen years ago)

Prince's worst 80s record?

to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 02:57 (thirteen years ago)

way better than Lovesexy imo. i might prefer it to Parade too but i know that's a minority opinion.

abandon al ships (some dude), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 03:00 (thirteen years ago)

temptation is pretty embarrassing

buh, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 03:49 (thirteen years ago)

Anyway, "Paisley Park" and "Raspberry Beret" are fantastic songs because they sound like something The Beatles might have done in 1967.

Let us travel back in time to properly appreciate how wrong this sentiment is.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 04:02 (thirteen years ago)

I just heard "Pop Life" somewhere the other week, it made me happy like it usually does. I think most of the detractory commentary above is fair, but for somebody's decade low-point to include "Pop Life," "Raspberry Beret," "Tamborine" and "Condition of the Heart" says more about the decade he had than the actual merits of the album. Even the title track is pretty cool.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 04:20 (thirteen years ago)

'raspberry beret' makes my shortlist of the best pop records of all time, easy.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 04:45 (thirteen years ago)

"Temptation" is amazing, imo, always gives me chills

chupacabra seeds (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 05:01 (thirteen years ago)

i'm hard-pressed to think of any song called 'temptation' that isn't awesome!

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 05:11 (thirteen years ago)

I've voiced the identical sentiment about songs w/tambourines in the title!

Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 16:28 (thirteen years ago)

five years pass...

Redirecting from this current sidebar: 'The Top' by the Cure: Classic or Dud?

imago— Definitely check out the b-sides from this album: 'She's Always In My Hair' (which is an absolutely classic song, full stop), 'Girl', and 'Hello.' There's also the twenty minute (no, really) version of 'America.'

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Saturday, 19 August 2017 17:43 (eight years ago)

Oh cool!

Yeah this was awesome. Didn't even falter in Side B, although I'm not sure the opener isn't my favourite track

imago, Saturday, 19 August 2017 18:27 (eight years ago)


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